I just don't think it's fair to price models based on made-up stats that they casually change whenever they want, the prices should be for the amount of plastic used and nothing else
It's more of a formula of rules design time, model design time, cost of making moulds, etc. vs. how many they can sell per player of the faction. A unit box of 5 for $55 will sell 3+ boxes to every player of that faction. A character for $45 will sell 0-1 model per player of the faction.
@Gutterling you forgot taxes and shipping cost at least. Even then the prices are beyond bloated and the molds pay for themselves on launch and it's pure profit afterwards.
@@bisasalz ya i agree, GW is clueless, they are afraid people will use models for both, but dont realize, this will drive a ton more sales, as people add to two games instead of one... but we know they are just simple hamsters, so i dont expect them to get the obvious positives, only focus on the negatives. GW is clueless
Just grab what you like, call it whatever you want and make sure the base sizes work for what you want in 40k. I use Iron Circle Automata for dreadnoughts and Castellax (they make fantastic Contemptor proxies, and magnets are our friend).
As you said I believe dual purpose will draw people into another army and provide a bigger upside for GW. Of course it all probably won't make any diff as the preorders will sell out instantly.
ya man the best thing gw ever did for HH was create 40k datasheets. the sales have fallen off a cliff since legends. but i'm just going off statistics, not my feelings like all the HH players who dont want other people to paly with their toys lol.
Well this is what we get with a company chasing those profits. You have the largest wargaming company which is publicly traded with no real competition. They will continue to promote short term gains because that’s the analytics that investors want to see, screw the long term. Very American Corporation like of them.
The thought of double dipping an army into two games seems to be an agonizing prospect for GW. I'm still waiting to see them try to somehow split demons into AoS/40k versions in ridiculous fashion.
@@WarHammerManyeah Slaanesh my biggest and favourite army which I started cos I could use them in both games . It won't be to long before Slaanesh demons are no longer in AOS or new AOS remakes only playable in AOS.
Ohhhhhhh..... They think that people will buy less if they get to use models in multiple systems right???? Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. Ive been struggling to understand why for weeks now!! Thank you very much!
@@jamesespinosa690 ya it makes no sense, its literally the opposite of what any rational person would conclude. but GW is a bunch of out of touch hamsters, so no wonder they dont get it!
This is an old trick gw does all the time. They do this to keep games separate so they can judge units sales off individual game systems. It allows them to see what systems sell and what isn’t. They only do cross overs for minor systems, and heresy isn’t a minor system. Not defending gw, their excuse is stupid, but that is why.
With half of GW stock always sold out. You have no choice but get the HH models. Why not??? They look just as cool, some even have the same name. People who run GW are so greedy that they are shooting themselves in the foot. If you could use 30k models in 40k, people would buy so much more, even with their ridiculous price hikes.
its not really click bait, its literally reality... i dont know if you've noticed, but youtube recommends what people like. so you want to see doom and gloom, thats what youtube shows you... if i make a title that explains the video, without intriguing you, nobody watches it. proven by analytics.
Click bait are all of the vids titled ‘Henry Cavill ____ Warhammer’ when Henry isn’t publicly saying shite. Those vids need to be burnt from the algorithm for heresy (and/or hearsay)
ya 30k is very big, in a very small amount of places, everywhere else its dead and gone. this was a huge missed opportunity for an easy fix for ad mech. instead it will sit around collecting dust, and admech will still suck.
What I would love is, if it turns out that the reason they did it this way is because they intend on introducing dark mechanicum and making all of these units available for them in 40k to show how the Cult of Mars has regressed.
Yea, the restrictions on game per model games that GW does is really damaging. This is why demons, in my opinion, are the best army in the product range becuase they can be played in all of the games GW has except blood bowl and lord of the rings. But gw is anti model consumer. And BTW only grand tornaments have these restrictions for models in an army if you are in an unofficial tornament or casual play defiently get what you want. Or even better, get proxies.
Great Ideas don't make GW money. That is the way they have been for 30 years. Like, why do you think they made the Basing change? Because of the bigger figures? LMAO!! Btw that's why they keep making new rules every 3 years. Besides GW has really never cared what thier Customers want. It's all about that cash.
I wish we could use these in normal Admec. Considering I only like 40% of the Admec range. The newer stuff looks way too stupid instead of wacky for me and it doesn't fit into tech regression for Admec, however this stuff is exactly what 40k Admec need!
ya its so obvious that getting existing players to buy more stuff, is far easier than getting new players to buy stuff... common sense, so of course its right over their heads.
Why would you want to play these model in 40k when they are made for the superior system. As an eldar player id kill for eldar models i can play in heresy even ones that cant be played in 40k.
I think there could be some cross over while each had special units that makes them different/unique. I bought into 40k but I started reading the Horus Heresy series. I would love to play both.
My local group has basically all but dropped 40k, meanwhile looking at actually starting up HH. 40k as of 8th edition has been on a downward slide. 8th was ok to play, 9th was worse, and 10th is, so far, the culmination of the fall of 40k. I see a lot of people jumping to HH cause 7th was the last time a good number actually enjoyed 40k, minus the detachments rule.
thats strange, i thought 7th edition was the worst edition of the recent ones. deathstars, and try hards, saw people quit 40k in droves... and 10th edition is the best edition since rogue trader. i'm curious what do you think is bad about 10th, thats causing "culmination of the fall" legit curious, because its by far the best edition ever made.
Think you’ll find a lot of people hate 10th because its got no soul, culled tonnes of units, introduced baby-like rules, focused the game on tournament play and took the majority of the fun of list building away. Not to mention the wargear costs, pseudo-power level costs and armies becoming hordier qnd more expensive. 10th is ass imo, and you’ll find a lot of people who agree. No edition is perfect, but this one is quite below the par
Fires of Cyraxus was meant to bring the HH units to 40k but unfortunately it is never coming out, which is a shame because there was also meant to be chapter specific upgrades for plastic tartarus and cataphact terminators to give them chapter upgrades for 40k armies as well.
The fact that GW created new Admech models for only Horus Heresy when in 40K thy have been new models like this is, greedy, infuriating, pathetic and down right disrespectful to the players of Admech. Truly GW you are so pathetic its not even funny anymore. Admech players if your listening I want you to get these models, because they are amazing and what Admech has been missing for the longest time and truly they look far better then any of the Tau models. Then and if you do, I want you all to band together and create your own rules for these models fit for play in 40K. F gw!!!!!!!
ya it makes no sense. i'd have loved to see these help fix the current 40k rules for ad mech, and also massively expand the range. would have been a ton more sales and $$ for Greed Workshop, it was all upside. i dont think anyone will start playing HH to use these, but i think a lot of people will proxy or kitbash these for use in 40k. or like you said, make their own rules!
I agree with you in many cases, although I would like to add my own oppinion into the mix. I am somebdoy who plays both systems, and while legend units are considered to be not made for tournament games, I haven’t yet met a single opponent who didn’t allow me to use the legend units. And personally I’ve had a lot of fun using my 30k Iron warrior army in 40k without any real issues. Units like leviathan dreadnoughts and more are awesome to play in both systems (although a general tip to most beginners in hh, spamming dreadnought isn’t something you wann do)
i would never mind, we have a guy in our local league who uses a bunch of legends stuff. i'm a casual fun, and tournament player though, so its pointless for me to paint stuff up, only to not be able to use it. but honestly i think most people will let you do basically anything. i love the idea of playing both, and dual purpose armies, if its what makes you happy!
thats weird for imperial knights because they essentially can't legend the entire range as we are in both games with our base models. i hope they dont mess with the cerastus frame i really like my lancer and yea, admech is scary, expensive, cool robots, but i got my knights
they did say they wont legends the knights stuff, probably for sales purposes. i have a lancer but never got to building it. i bet its a load of fun. one day!
literally no one plays HH in my area. It's a dead game in most places so why would I buy models for that? At least with Contemptors/Sicarans/Leviathans we can still use them as Legends.
ya they are grumpy old grognards, that gatekeep everyone, its literally impossible to grow the game like that. i agree this box will flow, just like the last guard box for 30k did
ya i think you're right. you can get away with people buying a couple boxes for the leman russ, and infantry, but the big transports, or less desirable models feel more like a forced bundle, than a favor from GW. i would have much preferred if it had the battle tank
@@WarHammerMan precisely. Feels like they're "doing you a favour" by selling it to you in the bundle but very few players want 300 point transports in their horde army! Keep up the great work brother.
I have actually been thinking of buying 3x of this box to get the Plasma Mortar for my Dark Angels Army I have played with Plasma Focus since the 4th edition. (But 10th edition is unplayable now so been thinking of doing this Mechanicum Army or an Iron Warriors army so I can play HH) This is definitely the best Mechanicum Box! GW is killing there own Brand and Games with all the BS they are doing since 9th edition... (Not to mention the absolute lack of releases for every army!!!)
I definitely feel that some overlaps is good. Add a cool unit here or there from HH, and then you might be like “well I already have some HH, let me give it a try”. I used to add my HH Marines into my army and I knew one day I’d have enough just fully jump into HH. I also really like how Deamons are a great army for 40K and AOS crossover.
We should be able to use cross models for play just make the lists more balanced for 40k for instance these are considered holy relics so maybe the special heresy modes could be limited or cost more points
ya it would just be an easy fix for admech, since GW completely dropped the ball after the codex. i dont care what they do, but if i played admech this would be the easy solution.
1:26 You're off base as to why it's not dual purpose. Forgeworld is a separate entity than Games Workshop when it comes to profit/loss that share MFG and Dist. When people are buying Heresy products to use in 40k, which business deserves the sale? As of a year and a bit ago, they wanted a bigger separation between the two sides to make results and as such dividends more clear. That is why they don't allow relics from Heresy to be used in 40k anymore.
forgeworld doesnt make plastic kits, they make resin, this is plastic. also i know they are trying to keep track of the sales related to the game, but they made an exception for much of the adeptus custodes line, daemons, imperial knights... so if they wanted, i'm sure they could do the same for ad mech. so i'm def not off base, suggesting that they could kill 2 birds with 1 stone, by fixing 40k ad mech, getting a ton more sales, and just counting them for HH, its called thinking outside the box. when they put stuff into Legends, which is what you mean, not relics, the HH sales plummeted. its never too late, to realize you made a mistake, and change going forward. thats all i'm suggesting .cheers
@@WarHammerMan I'll open by saying that I agree with you, cross-sales is better for the company as a whole and should logically make the games workshop collective more money. What you're overlooking is that the company isn't structured to just maximize overall profits, it's structured for shareholder dividends. Part of that is the way Forgeworld, Specialist Games and Games Workshop are all separate entities. FW actually buys its plastic line, in totality, from games workshop MFG, and then sells it via consignment in GW retail and web stores. That is a very silly way to do things if you're one company -- but they're legally not one company. There's a lot of really strange things bureaucratically going on that don't make sense unless you see how it's been iterated on over the years. I'm not trying to argue with you, or disagree that GW aren't fumbling the ball with this whole situation, I'm just letting you know that in its current structure all the sub-companies benefit in no way from sharing with each other and are effectively in competition with one another for the same customer dollars.
Completely agree with you about the options for using 30k kit in 40k. I'm a very recent convert to 30k since the Solar Auxilia plastics came out (I totally hate Forge World stuff, massively overpriced resin garbage!) Once I get a SA army sorted I fully intend to use it for 40k Imperial Guard 😊
I don't get the problem. If you like the models, just buy them and use as proxies. GW police won't appear at your club to stop you. Also, with some small conversations, I'm sure you could field them even in official tournaments....
not sure how you missed it, but i'll remind you... the issue is that ad mech suck. GW has been lowering the points, and they still suck, and an army costs twice the price of any other faction, because the rules are the problem not the points. so my solution was to make good datasheets for 40k, and let people use these models, to help fix the army with good rules. that is literally the problem i described throughout the video. i agree you could easily proxy or convert some of these cool things into dune crawlers or something, but again... that was never the problem. i hope that helped you understand cheers
@@WarHammerMan Hey, thanks for the reply! While I agree that GW fumbled the rules (and feel) for the codex to such an extend that point changes cannot solve it, I disagree that throwing more datasheets to the problem would be the solution. They have such a hard time balancing everything that I think GW would only create more problems. So, IMO they should fix the rules for the codex and datasheets we already have first. Finally, from a business perspective ($$$) my hunch is that will sell lots of these boxes regardless of its 40K status...
a few reasons: 1. lore The cult mechanicum and the adeptus mechanicus are 2 very different faction, just as the space marines of the horus heresy are very different than the space marines in 40k. Yes on a surface level a space marine is still a space marine, but the unit composition and overall presentation of the units have changed as well as how they are used. 2. balance This is kinda one of the big reasons why they removed all the horus heresy kits from 40k, its a pain to try to support these models in 2 different games, and usually horus heresy stuff isnt part of the main codex, but rather a completely separate book entirely that only gets released at the start of the edition and is never updated. 3. MONEY because the ability to buy one army for 2 games will never be profitable. its why chaos demons have always sucked in 40k, and why in AoS they made it so demons arent even their own faction, they are part of each of the dedicated factions to chaos within AoS. you could have a chaos demon army in 40k, but you cant 1 to 1 bring that army into AoS as most of those units cannot be fielded together. so better fork up money for other kits to play AoS.
Their main sin is greed. I thought at first, that they gave people three editions at least, to change Firstborn SM to Primaris SM. But, than I remembered, that in HH players are using SM, which later will become Firstborn SM. They may not be making official FSM, but HH SM are one. And still players cannot be sure, this game will be support long enough to be worthy of considering to buy.
i agree they are all about the $$... but wouldnt they sell way more of this set, if you could use the models in 40k? the answer is definitively yes, we saw it before they bumped all the new HH vehicles to legends. so if greed is the goal, why not sell more, to 40k players. but i do agree with the overall sentiment
@@WarHammerMan That game was always expensive. In my country it had status of a product which can be bought only by those which are working in multinational corporations or has quite rich parents. And when I was most interested in it, it was the only one wargame on the shelves. Warhammer Fantasy Battle, the unfulfilled wish of me as a teenager. But all those cool graphics, terrible monsters. Gotrek & Felix, Gaunt's Ghosts... So in the end I had to choose somewhat for my pocket. My friend introduce me to BattleTech. And I maybe spent 100$ at best for miniatures and books? And I have so much fun, even if battle tooks to finish 7 hours. And Classic Battletech is mostly platoon against the platoon level combat.
Another astute review War Hammer Man - dual purpose playing (HH & 40K) where applicable is what gamers want to play - regardless of GW greed to segregate games.
ya its so basic. is it easier to get a 40k player to start playing 30k... or a regular person to start playing 30k. obviously the easiest onboard is existing players, but GW is clueless
I really want to play those models in 40k. I plan on playing the Triaros Armoured Conveyor as the dunerider and the Thanatar-Cavas Siege-automata as the Disintegrator. But I would prefer new data sheeds. And I'm still not sure if I buy them because they have no data sheeds in 40k
I never had gotten into the gaming side of the hobby and I was going to get into 40k 10th edition but since it became less user friendly like the apps rules being stripped away etc I turned to one page rules grimdark future and it's just a breath of fresh air OPR takes all!
cheers. this would have been an awesome and easy fix for ad mech, grown 30k, and sold way more of these, making $$ for GW... seems like a big miss on their part!
I don't like the Zombie look of the tech thralls. In my opinion they should be alive looking, just have their mind controlled by the Magos but with a certain free will still.
I like how the latest competition for WH AoS 4e bundle DOES NOT require a WH+ subscription. See the Warhammer: Age of Sigmar Bundle Giveaway Terms, point 4, How to Enter, Entry Route 2: Alternative Method of Entry (AMOE). Anyone can join in, so long as you are not in a forbidden country.
imperial knights, and chaos daemons literally prove what you're saying is false, also adeptus custodes, sisters of silence... i get what you mean, but you're wrong obviously. they could make an exception to save the ad mech in 30k, so they dont just become unplayable. i'm providing solutions. i dont play admech so i dont care. i dont own GW, so i dont care, just being constructive. t sure. i get they want to make sure 30k still isnt selling. cheers
@@WarHammerMan Knights and deamons dont prove nothing, Knights are for 40k only and Deamons are a legacy range from before GW restuctered its'self into devishions. Necromunda, Apocalipse where always intended to be feaders to 40k. When was the last lesser demon releaced? its just been Setting spesific Greater demons and Charicters.
@@mortyjhones4068 so you admit i'm right, you're just making excuses. no problem. dont get bent out of shape, and you forgot to mention custodes. also there are tons of knights that are in 40k and 30k, like armigers, all the castigator class knights etc. but again i know i'm right, and obviously you're just, having problems admitting reality. which is fine, but it doesnt change the facts i've presented. cheers
ya they could fix admech with a couple good datasheets, and massive sales would far outdo anything the grumpy grognards are going to spend on this box. i bet its sitting around in 2 years collecting dust all over the world. 30k players are they type of dudes, who never buy anything, and still using models from the 1980s... i hate to stereotype them, but they prove it over and over.
A lot of people seem to be asking where the main gun of the Triaros is, which is kind of funny. Despite it's size, it's a troop transport first, not a battle tank. Though admittedly, 40k can be a bit loose with this distinction. On the Dual-Purpose issue: Even if multiple full ranges can be used in two or more games, that still has a lot of people starting another game and potentially starting a second (third, fourth,...) army in either of the games you play at some point. At least I know very few people overall, who didn't at least tip their toes in a few armies besides their main ones ans just playing that second or third game opens up the pool of future armies to start even more. Another big example for this is ToW, where they could have easily adjusted the base sizes to make it possible to put most models on their AoS round bases and have these fit into the ToW square and rectangular ones. It would boost the game a lot and provide double the chances of updating some of the older ranges that have a big overlap (and updating outdated ranges is something they should do a lot more for ToW anyway.). Make it easy for people to use their Empire and Bretonia armies (Kislev and Cathay too, whenever these may get released) as Cities of Sigmar with their own aesthetic, similar to how Imperial Guard regiments in 40k have their own look. Make that the go-to army for people to kitbash. Build up old school Dwarfs as their own faction (or subfaction in a shared Duardin Battletome) in AoS, it makes sense both in the narrative, to properly move them out of Cities of Sigmar and to give the range more appeal (and double the chances to update the older models). Add the fitting elements of the different Chaos armies to the ToW Warriors of Chaos or Beastmen, so much of the AoS releases are already based on old WHFB concepts and artwork anyway. Get Vampire Counts, Daemons, Lizardmen and especially Skaven out of the Legends dead end, so people with these shiny new AoS armies can get into ToW easily, straight up giving them an incentive to expand the army beyond what would be needed for AoS. Get Beastmen back into AoS.
yep i completely agree. they got focused on greed, not realizing most people would just end up buying multiple armies, and recycling a few units. in their delusional heads, we all just buy 1 army, and play every game. they have no clue
I’ve been saying that for two years you make the models just use them for everything not segregate them. That’s racist GW. There should not be any segregation of models. What sucks you will find Hersey models in stock but no 40K or it’s either the other way around. and I’m getting sick of this BS.
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I always wanted a Leviathan dreadnaught since they first came out from Forge World. All these years later and they finally make them in plastic. I get back into the game after quiting near the end of 5th edition (with 3 games played in 7th) and start collecting these newer weird looking space marines. I chose the chonky ones specifically to use them along side a Leviathan. I buy a Leviathan. I paint it lovingly. I buy a close combat one! GW makes 10th and Legends Leviathans. I was at least able to play 3 games of 9th edition with one leviathan. I havent painted any of my Fists since... Nor have i played a game. I have started a guard army though. Just building an army i always wanted as a kid.
All this boils down to a mild case of "hobby envy". GW aren't giving you official rules for these guys in the way that you want and your analysis os that GW are failing as a result. These battle force boxes will sell out, they'll do so quickly, they just won't be usable in 40k except for as proxies or conversion fodder. As for armies being used across systems, Daemons make a lie of that. Militia kinda does too, seeing as so much of it uses Guard, Necromunda and even Genestealer Cult stuff. I'm sorry if my evaluation of the video makes it seem childish but... Well, it kinda is.
we dont have to agree on things, as a matter of fact i'd prefer it, since you're take is so bad... i dont play admech, but the codex/army is struggling bad in 10th edition, so i proposed that a bunch of new models, could get a datasheet and help... somehow i have "hobby envy" and am failing. this will not sell out, there will be droves of them sitting around for years, just like the astra militarum box. you left out knights, the most obvious cross system army. the only thing that seems childish is how bad your takes are, on literally everything. but then again i'm over here creating though invoking content, and providing potential solutions to a problem, that would draw more people into 30k, and make more sales... you're just posting bad takes. so we are not the same. cheers to people in the comments thinking they know everything, when they really know nothing lol
Naa dude I’m a admech player and I can say this stuff would be absolutely amazing and them complaining about balancing for admech which the adsoluty screwed it up at the moment is bullshit because look at space marines it double if not triple the size.
GW seems a little schizophrenic with the models when factoring in the rules segregation. Why bother up scaling the MK VI and MK III marines? I would consider trying 30K if there were games being played at my FLGS. Many of my older models for Blood Angels and Space Wolves are technically playable in 30K. My Space Wolves army has two Land Raiders from the old original kit. The new Spartan looks awesome alongside them. I guess I will need to use the legends datasheet if I want to play it. Sigh.
So they can make a plastic model say a rank a massive tank and write a data sheet but it's too much for nake one more data sheet, lol what rubbish I could write it in an afternoon and I'd have to research it cos I know nothing lol...
i like the models, but they needed some of these to fill in the open spots. models are great, 40k rules are terrible, all they needed was to make a few of these 40k compatible, and give them nice stats. but GW is clueless
I cant stand them, the early stuff was good but its all been robotic horses and ww2 landing craft recently, I don't want 50s style robots or a bunch of Leonardo Da Vinci crap. Give Skynet give some fucking war machines, right now they just feel like Guard but harder to paint. But it would all been fine if I could just use the 30k models I like in 40k.
ya i would love to see these on the table, and would have preferred official GW rules. but if they want me to start my own Dark Ad mech army, converting these for 40k, OK challenge accepted GW!
No one is stopping you from dual-purposing them. Play how you want, it's your game! The only exception is official tournaments, but how many of us really play those...
i play in tournaments. also dont play admech, so its a non issue for me. but for the rest of the 40k ad mech players, who got screwed by a trash codex, this would seem like an obvious solution to fix the army. but i'm just being constructive, clearly i triggered the 30k gatekeepers, with the threat of other people using their toys, or playing their game. lol (not you, other commenters)
Unpopular opinion : I for one am happy that there's no crossover between game systems. Given how low the production level of these boxes is and how hard it is to get them, I'd rather see them reach Horus Heresy players who waited years to get plastic instead of crazy price resin than joining the latest fad of the 40K circus that will have forgotten the units for better meta and shinier plastic. If GW was churning plastic like there's no tomorrow and kept boxes in stock, sure make the datasheet available and don't garden wall the models. But given its low production investment, high return policy that the current shareholders want, that's a hard no.
10th is the best edition yet. 9th was good at the end, but def not as good. I've never heard of anyone caring if you use HH models, and we have people that use legends units in 40k. its all about what your local meta does. i'd have loved to see these have official rules in 10th though. it would have been great for ad mech players, helped fix the army, and expand the range... not to mention sales would be double for GW $$
The garbage business practices not withstanding, a lot of people don't like how watered down 40k has gotten. I don't think OPR as neat as it is, brings the nuance that people miss from previous editions of 40k, let alone Heresy.
So, guess you missed the memo that Horus heresy, like old world to AoS, has its sales separated from 40k and the departments want to keep it that way. Buying a box of ironjawz ard boyz to use as black orcs in old world credits the AoS department with the sale. So they want to keep it separate. Is it the best idea? Probably not but I’m not a multi billion dollar company that’s still the best model company and it’s clearly working.
A Bunch of the guard stuff from HH I want to use for Genestealer cult.. just a it's just differnt enough.. also the Adsecularis Tech-thralls becuase I'm playing Bladed Cog
I just don't think it's fair to price models based on made-up stats that they casually change whenever they want, the prices should be for the amount of plastic used and nothing else
ya that would be great, but selling a squad of 5 for 55, and a character for 45 makes them way more money, so dont expect it to change any time soon
@@WarHammerMan ; 3D printer goes brrrrr
It's more of a formula of rules design time, model design time, cost of making moulds, etc. vs. how many they can sell per player of the faction.
A unit box of 5 for $55 will sell 3+ boxes to every player of that faction. A character for $45 will sell 0-1 model per player of the faction.
@Gutterling you forgot taxes and shipping cost at least. Even then the prices are beyond bloated and the molds pay for themselves on launch and it's pure profit afterwards.
Welcome to Games workshop.
they been doing that for years with HQs.
Their greed knows no bounds, I wanna play Admech in both
No logic in my eyes (GWs stategy, not ur comment), making it playable in 40k too would sell way more stuff, wouldnt it!?
@@bisasalz ya i agree, GW is clueless, they are afraid people will use models for both, but dont realize, this will drive a ton more sales, as people add to two games instead of one... but we know they are just simple hamsters, so i dont expect them to get the obvious positives, only focus on the negatives. GW is clueless
Just grab what you like, call it whatever you want and make sure the base sizes work for what you want in 40k. I use Iron Circle Automata for dreadnoughts and Castellax (they make fantastic Contemptor proxies, and magnets are our friend).
100% agree with you! Some of these units should be in 40k.
As you said I believe dual purpose will draw people into another army and provide a bigger upside for GW. Of course it all probably won't make any diff as the preorders will sell out instantly.
ya man the best thing gw ever did for HH was create 40k datasheets. the sales have fallen off a cliff since legends. but i'm just going off statistics, not my feelings like all the HH players who dont want other people to paly with their toys lol.
Well this is what we get with a company chasing those profits. You have the largest wargaming company which is publicly traded with no real competition. They will continue to promote short term gains because that’s the analytics that investors want to see, screw the long term. Very American Corporation like of them.
The thought of double dipping an army into two games seems to be an agonizing prospect for GW. I'm still waiting to see them try to somehow split demons into AoS/40k versions in ridiculous fashion.
yep they have already started, with my Saneesh, creating the Mortals for AoS which are awesome, but 100% trying to limit double dipping!
@@WarHammerManyeah Slaanesh my biggest and favourite army which I started cos I could use them in both games . It won't be to long before Slaanesh demons are no longer in AOS or new AOS remakes only playable in AOS.
I expect we'll see it start in earnest when they do plastic daemons of the Ruinstorm for HH.
Ohhhhhhh..... They think that people will buy less if they get to use models in multiple systems right????
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. Ive been struggling to understand why for weeks now!! Thank you very much!
@@jamesespinosa690 ya it makes no sense, its literally the opposite of what any rational person would conclude. but GW is a bunch of out of touch hamsters, so no wonder they dont get it!
This is an old trick gw does all the time.
They do this to keep games separate so they can judge units sales off individual game systems.
It allows them to see what systems sell and what isn’t.
They only do cross overs for minor systems, and heresy isn’t a minor system.
Not defending gw, their excuse is stupid, but that is why.
With half of GW stock always sold out. You have no choice but get the HH models. Why not??? They look just as cool, some even have the same name. People who run GW are so greedy that they are shooting themselves in the foot. If you could use 30k models in 40k, people would buy so much more, even with their ridiculous price hikes.
I agree with what you say, but the click bait isn't nice for everyone else and it ends up seeming like you're just being negative. But thanks anyway.
its not really click bait, its literally reality... i dont know if you've noticed, but youtube recommends what people like. so you want to see doom and gloom, thats what youtube shows you... if i make a title that explains the video, without intriguing you, nobody watches it. proven by analytics.
Where’s the click bait? Game Workshopped failed for the exact reasons laid out in the video.
Click bait are all of the vids titled ‘Henry Cavill ____ Warhammer’ when Henry isn’t publicly saying shite. Those vids need to be burnt from the algorithm for heresy (and/or hearsay)
Yes, do this. Its weird to not be able to field them in 40k...its like, why not??? This stuff could narratively exist, easy, in 40k
Sadly they would most likely be legends
Seeing that box makes me sad i would love to use those cool models but im not starting HH just to use them
yep exactly massive missed opportunity!
Really wanted these for admech. No one plays 30k near me so it's just not an option.
ya 30k is very big, in a very small amount of places, everywhere else its dead and gone. this was a huge missed opportunity for an easy fix for ad mech. instead it will sit around collecting dust, and admech will still suck.
What I would love is, if it turns out that the reason they did it this way is because they intend on introducing dark mechanicum and making all of these units available for them in 40k to show how the Cult of Mars has regressed.
that would be so freaking awesome!
Yea, the restrictions on game per model games that GW does is really damaging. This is why demons, in my opinion, are the best army in the product range becuase they can be played in all of the games GW has except blood bowl and lord of the rings.
But gw is anti model consumer. And BTW only grand tornaments have these restrictions for models in an army if you are in an unofficial tornament or casual play defiently get what you want. Or even better, get proxies.
Great Ideas don't make GW money. That is the way they have been for 30 years. Like, why do you think they made the Basing change? Because of the bigger figures? LMAO!! Btw that's why they keep making new rules every 3 years. Besides GW has really never cared what thier Customers want. It's all about that cash.
Enough!!! I’ll just wait to 3D print them! After 32 years of supporting GW we get a boot in the ass from GW.
i dont even blame people at this point. its just smart
I wish we could use these in normal Admec. Considering I only like 40% of the Admec range. The newer stuff looks way too stupid instead of wacky for me and it doesn't fit into tech regression for Admec, however this stuff is exactly what 40k Admec need!
-starts with killlteam/ warcry- wow I can play big 40k and AOS!? Cool ima buy more stuff.
Apparently GW doesn't think that's what a lot of people do.
ya its so obvious that getting existing players to buy more stuff, is far easier than getting new players to buy stuff... common sense, so of course its right over their heads.
Why would you want to play these model in 40k when they are made for the superior system.
As an eldar player id kill for eldar models i can play in heresy even ones that cant be played in 40k.
I think there could be some cross over while each had special units that makes them different/unique. I bought into 40k but I started reading the Horus Heresy series. I would love to play both.
The "Arc cannon" is the Thallax's standard issue Lightning Gun. Smaller version of the Krios' Lightning Cannon, and the roof-mount of a Vorax.
My local group has basically all but dropped 40k, meanwhile looking at actually starting up HH. 40k as of 8th edition has been on a downward slide. 8th was ok to play, 9th was worse, and 10th is, so far, the culmination of the fall of 40k. I see a lot of people jumping to HH cause 7th was the last time a good number actually enjoyed 40k, minus the detachments rule.
thats strange, i thought 7th edition was the worst edition of the recent ones. deathstars, and try hards, saw people quit 40k in droves... and 10th edition is the best edition since rogue trader. i'm curious what do you think is bad about 10th, thats causing "culmination of the fall" legit curious, because its by far the best edition ever made.
Think you’ll find a lot of people hate 10th because its got no soul, culled tonnes of units, introduced baby-like rules, focused the game on tournament play and took the majority of the fun of list building away. Not to mention the wargear costs, pseudo-power level costs and armies becoming hordier qnd more expensive. 10th is ass imo, and you’ll find a lot of people who agree. No edition is perfect, but this one is quite below the par
Fires of Cyraxus was meant to bring the HH units to 40k but unfortunately it is never coming out, which is a shame because there was also meant to be chapter specific upgrades for plastic tartarus and cataphact terminators to give them chapter upgrades for 40k armies as well.
The fact that GW created new Admech models for only Horus Heresy when in 40K thy have been new models like this is, greedy, infuriating, pathetic and down right disrespectful to the players of Admech. Truly GW you are so pathetic its not even funny anymore.
Admech players if your listening I want you to get these models, because they are amazing and what Admech has been missing for the longest time and truly they look far better then any of the Tau models. Then and if you do, I want you all to band together and create your own rules for these models fit for play in 40K. F gw!!!!!!!
ya it makes no sense. i'd have loved to see these help fix the current 40k rules for ad mech, and also massively expand the range. would have been a ton more sales and $$ for Greed Workshop, it was all upside. i dont think anyone will start playing HH to use these, but i think a lot of people will proxy or kitbash these for use in 40k. or like you said, make their own rules!
I agree with you in many cases, although I would like to add my own oppinion into the mix.
I am somebdoy who plays both systems, and while legend units are considered to be not made for tournament games, I haven’t yet met a single opponent who didn’t allow me to use the legend units.
And personally I’ve had a lot of fun using my 30k Iron warrior army in 40k without any real issues.
Units like leviathan dreadnoughts and more are awesome to play in both systems (although a general tip to most beginners in hh, spamming dreadnought isn’t something you wann do)
i would never mind, we have a guy in our local league who uses a bunch of legends stuff. i'm a casual fun, and tournament player though, so its pointless for me to paint stuff up, only to not be able to use it. but honestly i think most people will let you do basically anything. i love the idea of playing both, and dual purpose armies, if its what makes you happy!
thats weird for imperial knights because they essentially can't legend the entire range as we are in both games with our base models. i hope they dont mess with the cerastus frame i really like my lancer and yea, admech is scary, expensive, cool robots, but i got my knights
they did say they wont legends the knights stuff, probably for sales purposes. i have a lancer but never got to building it. i bet its a load of fun. one day!
Buying them anyway, the minis are too great
ya i agree. i'll just use them as 40k models "counts as" something similar
Thats why gamesworkshop will never change
literally no one plays HH in my area. It's a dead game in most places so why would I buy models for that? At least with Contemptors/Sicarans/Leviathans we can still use them as Legends.
ya they are grumpy old grognards, that gatekeep everyone, its literally impossible to grow the game like that. i agree this box will flow, just like the last guard box for 30k did
Another issue IMO is that the selection in these boxed sets is poor, Solar Aux was no better. Who is buying multiple Dracosans?
ya i think you're right. you can get away with people buying a couple boxes for the leman russ, and infantry, but the big transports, or less desirable models feel more like a forced bundle, than a favor from GW. i would have much preferred if it had the battle tank
@@WarHammerMan precisely. Feels like they're "doing you a favour" by selling it to you in the bundle but very few players want 300 point transports in their horde army!
Keep up the great work brother.
I get that they don't want cross play but this all screams 40k inquisitiors to me
ya this is a huge missed opportunity
at this rate, well need a hordier word to describe how hordy admech is getting
You can use 40k ad mech in heresy using Panopticas rules
And many 40k hqs are used in heresy plus skitarii models
I have actually been thinking of buying 3x of this box to get the Plasma Mortar for my Dark Angels Army I have played with Plasma Focus since the 4th edition.
(But 10th edition is unplayable now so been thinking of doing this Mechanicum Army or an Iron Warriors army so I can play HH)
This is definitely the best Mechanicum Box!
GW is killing there own Brand and Games with all the BS they are doing since 9th edition...
(Not to mention the absolute lack of releases for every army!!!)
This box will definitely be supplementing my Iron Warriors army in 30k
I definitely feel that some overlaps is good. Add a cool unit here or there from HH, and then you might be like “well I already have some HH, let me give it a try”. I used to add my HH Marines into my army and I knew one day I’d have enough just fully jump into HH. I also really like how Deamons are a great army for 40K and AOS crossover.
We should be able to use cross models for play just make the lists more balanced for 40k for instance these are considered holy relics so maybe the special heresy modes could be limited or cost more points
ya it would just be an easy fix for admech, since GW completely dropped the ball after the codex. i dont care what they do, but if i played admech this would be the easy solution.
1:26 You're off base as to why it's not dual purpose. Forgeworld is a separate entity than Games Workshop when it comes to profit/loss that share MFG and Dist. When people are buying Heresy products to use in 40k, which business deserves the sale? As of a year and a bit ago, they wanted a bigger separation between the two sides to make results and as such dividends more clear. That is why they don't allow relics from Heresy to be used in 40k anymore.
forgeworld doesnt make plastic kits, they make resin, this is plastic. also i know they are trying to keep track of the sales related to the game, but they made an exception for much of the adeptus custodes line, daemons, imperial knights... so if they wanted, i'm sure they could do the same for ad mech. so i'm def not off base, suggesting that they could kill 2 birds with 1 stone, by fixing 40k ad mech, getting a ton more sales, and just counting them for HH, its called thinking outside the box. when they put stuff into Legends, which is what you mean, not relics, the HH sales plummeted. its never too late, to realize you made a mistake, and change going forward. thats all i'm suggesting .cheers
@@WarHammerMan I'll open by saying that I agree with you, cross-sales is better for the company as a whole and should logically make the games workshop collective more money.
What you're overlooking is that the company isn't structured to just maximize overall profits, it's structured for shareholder dividends. Part of that is the way Forgeworld, Specialist Games and Games Workshop are all separate entities. FW actually buys its plastic line, in totality, from games workshop MFG, and then sells it via consignment in GW retail and web stores. That is a very silly way to do things if you're one company -- but they're legally not one company.
There's a lot of really strange things bureaucratically going on that don't make sense unless you see how it's been iterated on over the years.
I'm not trying to argue with you, or disagree that GW aren't fumbling the ball with this whole situation, I'm just letting you know that in its current structure all the sub-companies benefit in no way from sharing with each other and are effectively in competition with one another for the same customer dollars.
Cross over..... YES ! a 💯 times YES !
ya man, its such an easy W for GW but instead they will keep doing dumb stuff
Completely agree with you about the options for using 30k kit in 40k. I'm a very recent convert to 30k since the Solar Auxilia plastics came out (I totally hate Forge World stuff, massively overpriced resin garbage!) Once I get a SA army sorted I fully intend to use it for 40k Imperial Guard 😊
I don't get the problem. If you like the models, just buy them and use as proxies. GW police won't appear at your club to stop you. Also, with some small conversations, I'm sure you could field them even in official tournaments....
not sure how you missed it, but i'll remind you... the issue is that ad mech suck. GW has been lowering the points, and they still suck, and an army costs twice the price of any other faction, because the rules are the problem not the points. so my solution was to make good datasheets for 40k, and let people use these models, to help fix the army with good rules. that is literally the problem i described throughout the video. i agree you could easily proxy or convert some of these cool things into dune crawlers or something, but again... that was never the problem. i hope that helped you understand cheers
@@WarHammerMan Hey, thanks for the reply! While I agree that GW fumbled the rules (and feel) for the codex to such an extend that point changes cannot solve it, I disagree that throwing more datasheets to the problem would be the solution. They have such a hard time balancing everything that I think GW would only create more problems. So, IMO they should fix the rules for the codex and datasheets we already have first. Finally, from a business perspective ($$$) my hunch is that will sell lots of these boxes regardless of its 40K status...
a few reasons:
1. lore
The cult mechanicum and the adeptus mechanicus are 2 very different faction, just as the space marines of the horus heresy are very different than the space marines in 40k. Yes on a surface level a space marine is still a space marine, but the unit composition and overall presentation of the units have changed as well as how they are used.
2. balance
This is kinda one of the big reasons why they removed all the horus heresy kits from 40k, its a pain to try to support these models in 2 different games, and usually horus heresy stuff isnt part of the main codex, but rather a completely separate book entirely that only gets released at the start of the edition and is never updated.
3. MONEY
because the ability to buy one army for 2 games will never be profitable. its why chaos demons have always sucked in 40k, and why in AoS they made it so demons arent even their own faction, they are part of each of the dedicated factions to chaos within AoS. you could have a chaos demon army in 40k, but you cant 1 to 1 bring that army into AoS as most of those units cannot be fielded together. so better fork up money for other kits to play AoS.
Their main sin is greed. I thought at first, that they gave people three editions at least, to change Firstborn SM to Primaris SM. But, than I remembered, that in HH players are using SM, which later will become Firstborn SM. They may not be making official FSM, but HH SM are one. And still players cannot be sure, this game will be support long enough to be worthy of considering to buy.
i agree they are all about the $$... but wouldnt they sell way more of this set, if you could use the models in 40k? the answer is definitively yes, we saw it before they bumped all the new HH vehicles to legends. so if greed is the goal, why not sell more, to 40k players. but i do agree with the overall sentiment
@@WarHammerMan That game was always expensive. In my country it had status of a product which can be bought only by those which are working in multinational corporations or has quite rich parents. And when I was most interested in it, it was the only one wargame on the shelves. Warhammer Fantasy Battle, the unfulfilled wish of me as a teenager. But all those cool graphics, terrible monsters. Gotrek & Felix, Gaunt's Ghosts... So in the end I had to choose somewhat for my pocket. My friend introduce me to BattleTech. And I maybe spent 100$ at best for miniatures and books? And I have so much fun, even if battle tooks to finish 7 hours. And Classic Battletech is mostly platoon against the platoon level combat.
Another astute review War Hammer Man - dual purpose playing (HH & 40K) where applicable is what gamers want to play - regardless of GW greed to segregate games.
ya its so basic. is it easier to get a 40k player to start playing 30k... or a regular person to start playing 30k. obviously the easiest onboard is existing players, but GW is clueless
Time for open the Vaults of Cyraxus
I really want to play those models in 40k. I plan on playing the Triaros Armoured Conveyor as the dunerider and the Thanatar-Cavas Siege-automata as the Disintegrator. But I would prefer new data sheeds. And I'm still not sure if I buy them because they have no data sheeds in 40k
It’s been 10k years
I never had gotten into the gaming side of the hobby and I was going to get into 40k 10th edition but since it became less user friendly like the apps rules being stripped away etc I turned to one page rules grimdark future and it's just a breath of fresh air OPR takes all!
Damn you Gamza !!
me providing solutions, how is that even remotely similar?
GW is super dumb when it comes to a company that is so greedy. Every move they make shoots their own foot
Totally agree
cheers. this would have been an awesome and easy fix for ad mech, grown 30k, and sold way more of these, making $$ for GW... seems like a big miss on their part!
I don't like the Zombie look of the tech thralls. In my opinion they should be alive looking, just have their mind controlled by the Magos but with a certain free will still.
nothing wrong with that, sounds like what they already have, i think the zombie slaves are cool
I like how the latest competition for WH AoS 4e bundle DOES NOT require a WH+ subscription. See the Warhammer: Age of Sigmar Bundle Giveaway Terms, point 4, How to Enter, Entry Route 2: Alternative Method of Entry (AMOE).
Anyone can join in, so long as you are not in a forbidden country.
I think games workshop have a stockroom full of admech kits that they need to sell and the new stuff could cainbalise those sales,
GW will not allow a model to cross play offically since internaly it's 40k Vs 30k. and both games are being adjuged by there profits.
imperial knights, and chaos daemons literally prove what you're saying is false, also adeptus custodes, sisters of silence... i get what you mean, but you're wrong obviously. they could make an exception to save the ad mech in 30k, so they dont just become unplayable. i'm providing solutions. i dont play admech so i dont care. i dont own GW, so i dont care, just being constructive. t sure. i get they want to make sure 30k still isnt selling. cheers
@@WarHammerMan Knights and deamons dont prove nothing, Knights are for 40k only and Deamons are a legacy range from before GW restuctered its'self into devishions.
Necromunda, Apocalipse where always intended to be feaders to 40k. When was the last lesser demon releaced? its just been Setting spesific Greater demons and Charicters.
@@mortyjhones4068 so you admit i'm right, you're just making excuses. no problem. dont get bent out of shape, and you forgot to mention custodes. also there are tons of knights that are in 40k and 30k, like armigers, all the castigator class knights etc. but again i know i'm right, and obviously you're just, having problems admitting reality. which is fine, but it doesnt change the facts i've presented. cheers
they need to let these be used in 40k..
ya they could fix admech with a couple good datasheets, and massive sales would far outdo anything the grumpy grognards are going to spend on this box. i bet its sitting around in 2 years collecting dust all over the world. 30k players are they type of dudes, who never buy anything, and still using models from the 1980s... i hate to stereotype them, but they prove it over and over.
I’m glad I’m an exodite ( 40k fan who staves off from the the grasp of plastic crack).
A lot of people seem to be asking where the main gun of the Triaros is, which is kind of funny. Despite it's size, it's a troop transport first, not a battle tank. Though admittedly, 40k can be a bit loose with this distinction.
On the Dual-Purpose issue:
Even if multiple full ranges can be used in two or more games, that still has a lot of people starting another game and potentially starting a second (third, fourth,...) army in either of the games you play at some point.
At least I know very few people overall, who didn't at least tip their toes in a few armies besides their main ones ans just playing that second or third game opens up the pool of future armies to start even more.
Another big example for this is ToW, where they could have easily adjusted the base sizes to make it possible to put most models on their AoS round bases and have these fit into the ToW square and rectangular ones. It would boost the game a lot and provide double the chances of updating some of the older ranges that have a big overlap (and updating outdated ranges is something they should do a lot more for ToW anyway.).
Make it easy for people to use their Empire and Bretonia armies (Kislev and Cathay too, whenever these may get released) as Cities of Sigmar with their own aesthetic, similar to how Imperial Guard regiments in 40k have their own look. Make that the go-to army for people to kitbash.
Build up old school Dwarfs as their own faction (or subfaction in a shared Duardin Battletome) in AoS, it makes sense both in the narrative, to properly move them out of Cities of Sigmar and to give the range more appeal (and double the chances to update the older models).
Add the fitting elements of the different Chaos armies to the ToW Warriors of Chaos or Beastmen, so much of the AoS releases are already based on old WHFB concepts and artwork anyway.
Get Vampire Counts, Daemons, Lizardmen and especially Skaven out of the Legends dead end, so people with these shiny new AoS armies can get into ToW easily, straight up giving them an incentive to expand the army beyond what would be needed for AoS.
Get Beastmen back into AoS.
Buying then converting possibly to dark mech 👍
lets go, i want to do the same. love these, not playing 30k, so i'll make it work!
hopefully we get some legends rules, the only people who suffer are the Tournament players but they deserve it
Separate studios can't share sales.
That train-tank is cool.
ya i like the look its cool !
All of my 40k space marine tanks are the much nicer and newer HH versions and it's such an own goal by GW to not allow more of the HH units in 40k
yep i completely agree. they got focused on greed, not realizing most people would just end up buying multiple armies, and recycling a few units. in their delusional heads, we all just buy 1 army, and play every game. they have no clue
I’ve been saying that for two years you make the models just use them for everything not segregate them. That’s racist GW. There should not be any segregation of models. What sucks you will find Hersey models in stock but no 40K or it’s either the other way around. and I’m getting sick of this BS.
that tank is cool, but it doesnt really match the look of the 40k ad mech
the rest of the stuff blends in pretty well. i think the lines on the tank remind me of the hover craft a bit. it would look good with them IMO
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I always wanted a Leviathan dreadnaught since they first came out from Forge World. All these years later and they finally make them in plastic. I get back into the game after quiting near the end of 5th edition (with 3 games played in 7th) and start collecting these newer weird looking space marines. I chose the chonky ones specifically to use them along side a Leviathan.
I buy a Leviathan.
I paint it lovingly.
I buy a close combat one!
GW makes 10th and Legends Leviathans.
I was at least able to play 3 games of 9th edition with one leviathan.
I havent painted any of my Fists since... Nor have i played a game.
I have started a guard army though. Just building an army i always wanted as a kid.
But what excactly prevents you from playing it as a legends model in 10th?
All this boils down to a mild case of "hobby envy". GW aren't giving you official rules for these guys in the way that you want and your analysis os that GW are failing as a result.
These battle force boxes will sell out, they'll do so quickly, they just won't be usable in 40k except for as proxies or conversion fodder.
As for armies being used across systems, Daemons make a lie of that. Militia kinda does too, seeing as so much of it uses Guard, Necromunda and even Genestealer Cult stuff.
I'm sorry if my evaluation of the video makes it seem childish but... Well, it kinda is.
we dont have to agree on things, as a matter of fact i'd prefer it, since you're take is so bad... i dont play admech, but the codex/army is struggling bad in 10th edition, so i proposed that a bunch of new models, could get a datasheet and help... somehow i have "hobby envy" and am failing. this will not sell out, there will be droves of them sitting around for years, just like the astra militarum box. you left out knights, the most obvious cross system army. the only thing that seems childish is how bad your takes are, on literally everything. but then again i'm over here creating though invoking content, and providing potential solutions to a problem, that would draw more people into 30k, and make more sales... you're just posting bad takes. so we are not the same. cheers to people in the comments thinking they know everything, when they really know nothing lol
Naa dude I’m a admech player and I can say this stuff would be absolutely amazing and them complaining about balancing for admech which the adsoluty screwed it up at the moment is bullshit because look at space marines it double if not triple the size.
Good points etc but you can’t convince the idiots at the helm of GW to make a customer friendly decision. It’s a waste:
they will learn when their $$ starts to suffer. its inevitable
Yes. GW always seem to make the wrong decision! I won't start about their boundless greed but they do make some fantastic Minis.
GW seems a little schizophrenic with the models when factoring in the rules segregation. Why bother up scaling the MK VI and MK III marines? I would consider trying 30K if there were games being played at my FLGS. Many of my older models for Blood Angels and Space Wolves are technically playable in 30K. My Space Wolves army has two Land Raiders from the old original kit. The new Spartan looks awesome alongside them. I guess I will need to use the legends datasheet if I want to play it. Sigh.
So they can make a plastic model say a rank a massive tank and write a data sheet but it's too much for nake one more data sheet, lol what rubbish I could write it in an afternoon and I'd have to research it cos I know nothing lol...
Its a shame because the MechaniCUS line is utter shit.
i like the models, but they needed some of these to fill in the open spots. models are great, 40k rules are terrible, all they needed was to make a few of these 40k compatible, and give them nice stats. but GW is clueless
I cant stand them, the early stuff was good but its all been robotic horses and ww2 landing craft recently, I don't want 50s style robots or a bunch of Leonardo Da Vinci crap.
Give Skynet give some fucking war machines, right now they just feel like Guard but harder to paint.
But it would all been fine if I could just use the 30k models I like in 40k.
Buying all for proxies, even if i let GW win with this. Im an Admech-Player, im desperate😢
ya i would love to see these on the table, and would have preferred official GW rules. but if they want me to start my own Dark Ad mech army, converting these for 40k, OK challenge accepted GW!
No one is stopping you from dual-purposing them. Play how you want, it's your game! The only exception is official tournaments, but how many of us really play those...
i play in tournaments. also dont play admech, so its a non issue for me. but for the rest of the 40k ad mech players, who got screwed by a trash codex, this would seem like an obvious solution to fix the army. but i'm just being constructive, clearly i triggered the 30k gatekeepers, with the threat of other people using their toys, or playing their game. lol (not you, other commenters)
Or we could get more datasheets for legio cybernetica which has a grand total of 1 model.
30k is not anywere near as populer as 40k
ya i agree. there are a few small pockets around the world, and they just yell really loud on the internet. 30k is hanging on by a thread.
Which is totally fine as 40k is just a degenerated pile of sh*t these days
Could kitbash the big robots into Titan's
Iwilldefinitlybegetting one!
One page rules
Unpopular opinion : I for one am happy that there's no crossover between game systems. Given how low the production level of these boxes is and how hard it is to get them, I'd rather see them reach Horus Heresy players who waited years to get plastic instead of crazy price resin than joining the latest fad of the 40K circus that will have forgotten the units for better meta and shinier plastic. If GW was churning plastic like there's no tomorrow and kept boxes in stock, sure make the datasheet available and don't garden wall the models. But given its low production investment, high return policy that the current shareholders want, that's a hard no.
so I thought you can play that Army in 40K that's crappy
Fuck gw and 10th, we stay balling with 9th rules and HH models whenever we want them. The amount of apologists for gw is pretty nuts too
10th is the best edition yet. 9th was good at the end, but def not as good. I've never heard of anyone caring if you use HH models, and we have people that use legends units in 40k. its all about what your local meta does. i'd have loved to see these have official rules in 10th though. it would have been great for ad mech players, helped fix the army, and expand the range... not to mention sales would be double for GW $$
"Their cache of juicy tech"...🤮
I love 40k and admech but i will not play heresy! so even if i was buying stuff I would pass on this
or, play OPR and ignore those unethical twats.
The garbage business practices not withstanding, a lot of people don't like how watered down 40k has gotten. I don't think OPR as neat as it is, brings the nuance that people miss from previous editions of 40k, let alone Heresy.
So, guess you missed the memo that Horus heresy, like old world to AoS, has its sales separated from 40k and the departments want to keep it that way. Buying a box of ironjawz ard boyz to use as black orcs in old world credits the AoS department with the sale. So they want to keep it separate. Is it the best idea? Probably not but I’m not a multi billion dollar company that’s still the best model company and it’s clearly working.
A Bunch of the guard stuff from HH I want to use for Genestealer cult.. just a it's just differnt enough..
also the Adsecularis Tech-thralls becuase I'm playing Bladed Cog
Yes
If Gw just do the data sheets for ad mech.. more would play.
.more play more money