True.. Arabic music is very complex and rich, and unfortunately Western musicians do not know that. The so-called maqams in Arabic music and the sub-maqams of the basic maqams have made their numbers very large. It is said that it reaches 300 maqams, and this creates musical depth because the branching is the mixing of the maqams with each other. The musical scale is basically divided into two parts. The first is the foundation of the first four notes, and the second is the branch of the next four notes. Each maqam has a degree of emphasis, some have a degree of emphasis on Do, and some have a degree of emphasis on Fa. Or mi or sol and others , The second four musical notes in the maqam are considered sub-maqam because their change is what forms the sub-maqam derived from the main maqam. For example, the basic maqam of Rast or Rasd (it has two names with similar pronunciations) is Rast in the degree of Qiyam and Rast again in the degree of Sul. However, if you change the second four signs from the degree of Sul to Hijaz, it is one of the basic maqams. We have a sub-maqam of Rast called Soznak. There are sub-maqams that consist of four sections on two complete musical scales, such as a maqam called Sultani Yikah, which is derived from a basic maqam called Al-Nahawand. In the West, Al-Nahawand is Minor. . The number of rhythms in Arabic music is large, almost reaching 200 rhythms. In Arabic music, an Arab musician and singer who is considered good uses embellishments with the basic melody and even improvises if possible
i was trying to understand why arabic music sounded so different, especailly its quarter tone scales! i didnt know back then that there were multiple "scales" (maqams) and this blew my mind. Thank you for this video
This is very useful, but I must add that Western music before the classical period had many of the attributes you attribute solely to Arabic music. For example, it was modal (a mode is analogous to one of the maqams), dynamics weren't always indicated, melodies were played more freely and improvisationally, and often there was no conductor but, rather, the keyboardist would lead the ensemble. I encourage you to seek out some early Western music!
Congratulations from Spain. I am a musician and I have enlarged my musical knowledge thanks to you. Sukran! I would like that Arab music was a compulsory subject when learning music at the conservatory.
I must make a distinction here. When he says western music, he refers to European classical music from the second half of the 18th century. If you get into baroque music it's more melodical, and romantic is totally different and has influences from many other cultures.
@@benjaminmoloy7163 Someone came from the adam neely video :D But without the extreme opinions (even though schenker was in fact a racist), I feel like many folk music in western countries also use microtonality. I think the western academy music (or western court music) is the western music that we listen to today. That's why the non equal temperament music in the western folk music (let it be balkans, spain, or ireland) are lost to the contemporary listener. The western court music was promoted so much as being the purest form of music that even western folk music tradition is kinda lost. Even Andras Schiff, hungarian pianist, talks about this.
From 🇺🇸 but I love Turkish and Arabic music. So beautiful. I remember when I was little hearing Arabic or Turkish music bits/influences in movies and shows I loved them but had to suppress it because I thought it was weird. But now I love them and embrace it and if someone doesn't like it, then it's their problem not mine :)
"Turkish music" is a misnomer. Turkish music is middle-eastern (aka near-eastern) music. Much of the near east is the Arabian plate and that is where civilization started so it seems reasonable to me to call it "Arabic music" also. Turks come from central asia and are fairly recent arrivals in Anatolia. The music of central asia can be seen in Turkic throat singing. Similar to mongol throat singing. It has nothing to do with middle easten music. Where Turks insist on using the term "Turkish music" it is usually for nationalistic reasons. Not reasons that have anything to do with actual history or the musical history of that part of the world. PS1: Turkic throat singing here: th-cam.com/video/sYUTPH1Y8Lc/w-d-xo.html PS2: Since most of the people of Anatolia are not of this relatively recent arrival Turkic origin, using the term Anatolian music would be reasonable also.
The way that Arabic music have many different and different types and melody from far Mesopotamia to arab peninsula to levant area Egypt and the Maghreb countries each one have its unique melody and different good music some of them just sad some relaxing some are for belly dance and others . Also don’t forget that arabic music in general have drums🥁 and daf instruments and Darbuka instrument
Thank you for the video! I don't know much about music theory (western or otherwise), but I have long loved the sound of Arabic music, and as a musician I often feel limited by western music conventions, so learning how another system works was very useful.
Jamie Western Classical piano composeds like Charles Ives have made quarter tone compositions by using two pianos, one of which is tuned a quarter tone sharp. This way you can switch between the two keyboards to achieve quarter tone melodies! Check out Charles Ives' compositions
Arabic music depends on deep feelings and free style and simple classic tradition, western music depends on strict discipline following specific rules even if doesn't have feelings it is a discipline rules .
I also think that Arabic melodies are extremely hauntingly lovely, from what I’ve heard so far. I disagree that classical music doesn’t have feelings though - it depends on how much you choose/ are able to connect with it. Personally, Yo-yo Ma’s performance of The Dying Swan on cello really moved me. My breath caught in my throat as a felt what it must be like to lose someone.
I regret to say you are far wrong my friend. I understand why most people who are interested in music would think that. But believe me when I tell you there is nothing simple about Syrian music (the origin of arabic music) and it's not about feelings, it touches something deeper than feelings that trigger those feelings you mentioned. The craft of Syrian music takes a lifetime of discipline and supervision like every other music. But understanding how it triggers those kind of not only feelings but state of mind also and how to plan this process happens if mastering this craft.
I would challenge anyone to listen to some Saba taqsim and not cry. Such a beautifully sad yet eerie sound. You played it just right here with your qanun too.
Basically, Oriental Music uses microtones for its melody. You can either go as low as quarter-tones (24-EDO), according to Arabic theory, or twelfth of a tone (72-EDO), according to Greek Byzantine and Turkish theory. Everything basically starts from a tetraphonic Maqam Rast, which is the standard Maqam of the Syrian diatonic scale. Here is Maqam Rast in 72-EDO, which is more precise: 12-10-8-12-12-10-8 where you repeat 12-10-8 with pauses of a full tone (12) in between. Still, for the second tethracord, it can also be 12-8-10, which is the standard way to sing Maqam Rast, but this is another subject. From this Scale, you derive all other scales. If you move it one note higher, you get Maqam Bayati: 10-8-12-12-10-8-12 but normally the second tetrachord is almost always 8-10-12 in practice. One note higher, you get Maqam Sikah: 8-12-12-10-8-12-12 where the strange thing is that the pause is 10 instead of twelve, when compared to the other two previous Maqamat. One note higher, you get another possible fourth Maqam: 12-12-10-8-12-12-10, which I couldn't find the exact name, but I will just call it the Fourth One for now. Those 4 Maqamat are the basis of all other Maqamat. From Bayati, you get - Maqam Nahawand: 12-6-12-12-6-12-12 where you have the D Minor scale with a flat B instead of a normal B. - You also get Maqam Kurd: 6-12-12-12-6-12-12, which is the D Minor Scale with flat E and flat B - Then, you also have Maqam Shahnaz: 6-18-6-6-18-6, which is the Double Harmonic Scale - A sort of mixed scale also derived from this one is Maqam Hijaz: 6-18-6-12-10-8-12, which has the lower tethrachord of Shahnaz, but the upper one of Bayati. - Maqam Saba is also a derived from Bayati. - Maqam Farahfaza - Maqam Housayni - Maqam Hissar - Maqam Bayati Shuri From Sikah, you get: - Maqam Huzam - Maqam Shed 'Arababan - An interesting Maqam that you can't reproduce on a 24-EDO instrument, but it is easier on a 72-EDO one is Maqam Sikah Baladi. From the Fourth One, you get: - Maqam 'Ajam Ushayran - Maqam 'Ajam - Maqam Jiharkah - Maqam Rahat al-Arwah - Maqam Ashurit Probably this Maqam did not even come from the Syrian diatonic scale, but may have been originally on the Akkadian scale, which is more common on in Persian music. The original maqam would therefore have been 'Ajam Ushayran, an archaic form of 'Ajam. Arabic music has both Syrian (probably ultimately Assyrian/Aramaic/Ugaritic) origins, and Persian (Akkadian) origins, and to a lesser extent was also influenced by Greek and Greek Byzantine Music. From Rast, you get: - Maqam Hijazkar - Maqam Nikriz - Maqam Hijazkar Kurd - Maqam Nisabur - Maqam Kirdan - Maqam Dalanshin etc. In fact, usually from Rast you get the most derived Maqamat. It is the richest one of all, the basis of all Oriental Music, the most common Maqam, and the Maqam that was used especially for greeting kings and emperors. In a way, with its derivations, Maqam Rast could be the most difficult Maqam of all. Especially when singing with the voice complicated songs get a lot of modulations in lost of different Maqamat.
Actually there are more sales than Major And Minors in western music. Quarter notes don't exist (except for articulation such as in Blues), but other than that, they are similar. What is a major important factor is the way you compose phrases, more than anything else. Basically, Arabic music has little more ingredients (10 instead of 8 ingredients), but what is more important is how you cook the dish (how you go about composing the melody). That is the real difference.
@@osaze2708 Yeah but he didn't bring modern Arabic too. Our music is heavily influenced by classic so he just took both the classics. I'm not any expert in Arabic music tho. And modern music is somewhat result of globalization. So it's good to talk from root point. As far as what I understand.
@@k-popstan-tg6xr يحادثك رجل للتصحيح ، علمنا أن آلات الموسيقية جميعها تتم دوزنتها على تردد "لا" 440 المعمول به كنظام عالمي للدوزنة ، وسؤالي كان لماذا نغمة "لا" بالتحديد..؟ لست أدري إن كنت فهمت السؤال
As a Sephardic (Spanish/ Middle-Eastern) Jew, I am quite used to hearing Arabic and Turkish music in the synagogue. What fascinates me is that the oud, a traditional Arabic instrument, is the ancestor of the western lute--the instrument that led to the guitar. From my understanding, the Moors brought the oud to the Iberian Peninsula (Spain), and later westerners added frets to it, thereby creating the lute. Brandon Acker, a youtuber and musicologist, has a video in which he describes the history behind the oud instrument. Here's the link: th-cam.com/video/KA5VdzRHh-U/w-d-xo.html
. Arabic music is very complex and rich, and unfortunately Western musicians do not know that. The so-called maqams in Arabic music and the sub-maqams of the basic maqams have made their numbers very large. It is said that it reaches 300 maqams, and this creates musical depth because the branching is the mixing of the maqams with each other. The musical scale is basically divided into two parts. The first is the foundation of the first four notes, and the second is the branch of the next four notes. Each maqam has a degree of emphasis, some have a degree of emphasis on Do, and some have a degree of emphasis on Fa. Or mi or sol and others , The second four musical notes in the maqam are considered sub-maqam because their change is what forms the sub-maqam derived from the main maqam. For example, the basic maqam of Rast or Rasd (it has two names with similar pronunciations) It is a maqam rasat on the degree of du and Rast again in the degree of Sul. However, if you change the second four signs from the degree of Sul to Hijaz, it is one of the basic maqams. We have a sub-maqam of Rast called Soznak. There are sub-maqams that consist of four sections on two complete musical scales, such as a maqam called Sultani Yikah, which is derived from a basic maqam called Al-Nahawand. In the West, Al-Nahawand is Minor. . The number of rhythms in Arabic music is large, almost reaching 200 rhythms. In Arabic music, an Arab musician and singer who is considered good uses embellishments with the basic melody and even improvises if possible.
@@SlametRiyadi-lt2ej I’m no expert on this subject , but I love these songs: نبتدي منين الحكاية (1975) by abdelhalim hafiz th-cam.com/video/4-tWcP0_prM/w-d-xo.html العيون السود (1973) also by wardah Aljazairiah th-cam.com/video/1khH_T7QQ-c/w-d-xo.html مداح القمر (1971) by abdelhalim hafiz th-cam.com/video/11f4Xyfgoh0/w-d-xo.html معقول by fadel chakir (2020) th-cam.com/video/60Jc7g3CwJci/w-d-xo.html There are many other songs, but as I said earlier I am not an expert on the matter. I hope you like them.
@@bayan8439 thank you for recommending me these, I'd definitely check them out soon, I've been captivated by arabic music ever since i listened to samai bayati by Ibrahim al aryan, it was the first piece I listened to 😁
Other than being of an Abrahamic faith, the thing I respect most about the Middle East is the music, no contest. Now does anyone know how one learns to sing in the Middle Eastern style?
ملخص كتير مفيد، وثقافتك الموسيقية واضحة. مشكور همام. أنا عم أدرس عن علم الموسيقى الغربية وحالياً عم اكتب مشروع التخرج عن الطرب.لا تسألني كيف زبطت معي :). والفرق شاسع جداً بالمصطلحات والمفاهيم والتاريخ عموماً. يا ترى عندك شي اقتراح لكتاب عن الطرب باللغة العربية ؟ كل المصادر عندي بالانكليزية، ولكن حبذا لو أضيف شي مصدر بالعربي كمان.
Azoz boj I regret to say you are far wrong my friend. I understand why most people who are interested in music would think that. But believe me when I tell you there is nothing simple about Syrian music (the origin of arabic music) and it's not about feelings, it touches something deeper than feelings that trigger those feelings you mentioned. The craft of Syrian music takes a lifetime of discipline and supervision like every other music. But understanding how it triggers those kind of not only feelings but state of mind also and how to plan this process happens if mastering this craft.
سؤال:- ليه الصوت العربي أكثر عمق وأكثر جمال في الغناء بالصدى بينما الأغاني الأجنبية لا تكون بمستوى جمال وعمق الصوت العربي وتشعر انه لا يطرب إلا بالآلة الموسيقية .... هل مخارج الحروف العربية لها تأثير على ذلك ام هي تراكيب اللغة من حروف مد تساعد على التغني أكثر بالكلمات ... أحب الإستماع للغناء العربي الخالي من الآلة فهو يلامس القلب أكثر
merci beaucoup pour cette leçon j'ai découvert la richesse de la musique et sa complexité par rapport a la musique classique et je comprends pourquoi on est touché par la musque orientale de oum kaltsoum
والله يا صديقي يعطيك العافية بس انت حتى ما قربت ولو قليلا على الفرق ما بين الموسيقا الشرقية والغربية. بين البوليفوني والطرب أو بين اي مركز في النفس البشرية بتتعامل كل من الموسيقتين... وامور اخرى كثيرة
لا معروف نكريز وماله اسم تاني بس هو ما اساسي بل متفرع متفرع من النهاوند حسب بعض الدراسات واشهر ألحان النكريز موال وديع الصافي من يوم من يومين واقصد المقطع الاول مطلع الموال واغنية سوق على مهلك واغنية جرب نار الغيرة لوردة وموشح بين قاسيون وربوة
Nahawand is basically minor scale/harmonic minor Ajam is the major scale Nikriz comparable to Gypsy scale Kurd is Phrygian mode on D Hikaz Kar Double harmonic scale
Не понимаю, как можно противопоставлять два совершенно разных стиля. Мне лично нравятся одинаково обе: и европейская традиция и арабская. Кстати, Пётр Ильич Чайковский - это композитор, представляющий русскую музыкальную традицию. Даже в самой Европе стили сильно разнятся между собой: английский, французский, немецкий, итальянский, испанский, нидерландский и так далее.
حبيبي العنوان خطا مع ان معلوماتك جدا جدا قليلة عن الموسيقى الغربية، لكن كان يجب ان تكتب الفرق بين الموسيقى العربية والكلاسيكية الغربية لانك مجرد كتبت غربية شملت كل الالوان الغربية هنالك الجاز والبلوز والبوب والروك وهنالك سكيلات تستخدم مثل المقامات الكنائسية في الجاز وكل اشكال الهارموني وايضا الموسيقى الغربية فيها هارموني على عدت اشكال بسيط ومعقد، ارجو ان تطلع اكثر على الموسيقى الغربية لكي تعمل مقارنه اما مجرد معلومات عامة سهله لايمكن اجراء مقارنة.. تحياتي
Guys, why not write Arabic songs in the Byzantine notation? It is far better suited for Oriental Music than the horrible Western Notation, and easier to read and sing. In fact, Byzantine music and Oriental Music are the same, as Byzantine music ultimately comes from the East, from the ancient chanters of Syria. Here are some of the correspondences: Maqam Bayati - Echos Protos ek tou PA/Plagios tou Protou ek tou PA Maqam Sikah - Echos Leghetos Maqam Jiharkah/Ajam - Echos Tritos Nana/Echos Plagios tou Tritou (GA) Maqam Farahfaza - Echos Protos/Plagios tou Protou DI Maqam Hussayini - Plagios tou Protouu ek tou Ke Maqam Huzam + Shed Araban - Echos Deuteros/Echos Plagios tou Deuterou Eirmologikos Maqam Shahnaz + Hijaz - Echos Plagios tou Deuterou/Echos Deuteros Eirmologikos Maqam Saba - Echos Protos Pathetikos Maqam Iraq + Maqam Rahat al-Arwah + Ashurit - Echos Barys/Barys Hesychastikos Maqam Rast - Echos Plagios tou Tetartou Maqam Ajam Kurd - Echos Plagios tou Protou Phrygios Maqam Nahawand - Plagios tou Protou Enharmonikos Maqam Musta'ar - Phthora Musta'ar Maqam Hisar - Phthora Hisar/Khroa Spathe Maqam Nisabur - Phthora Nisabour/Khroa Kliton There are many other correspondences, but in the end we can say it is the same music.
Great explanation, but am confused here. I'm not sure if one can compare western classical music, which is unique in its genre, with any other music in other parts of the world. Great European classical music by great composer like Beethoven, Mozart, Chopin, Tchaikovsky, Bach, Vivaldi etc. is unique to a certain period of European music and comparing it with other music like Arabic doesn't do justice to either.! I wish you used melodies of western music from the 20th century onwards. Traditional Pop music, Jazz, Rock and roll etc. would make a better comparison. Thx
I hope I dont see you in another video claiming them to be Turkish song like many of our turk friends claim many arabic songs as turkish in one um kulthum song one turk try to make the song turkish and he went far to say "listen to the words it is even in turkish" to confuse non Arab listener... it was funny :) to imagine um kulthum singing in turkish. Salam brother
@@sutil5078 my brother arabesque music is very famous in turkey, it was inspired by the music of famous egyptian and lebanese singers. Turkish poems were written on the music.
@@sutil5078 But don't think all of them have been stolen, 35% of them seem to have been stolen. The reason for this is that arabesque music began to be heard in our country in the 60s . In the following years, very good music was produced.
Your explanations of western classical music are not exactly accurate. You can have simple and complex melodies in any form of music it depends on the piece and composer. Also, no type of music only uses one form of note. Why would quarter note exist if not to be used? Maestro and conductor is not the same thing. Musical interpretation is not all written down in classical music one can had personal flare and touches especially during cadenzas which were originally made for free form solo but got more structured eith time. Both music styles use orchestras and so need a conductor. Smaller groups in both music genres would not need one. There are alot of different scales. There is major and minor but also tentitonic mixalodian to name a few.
Miguel Lorenzo De Lim You’re welcome! I guess that’s why it does sound similar to Palestinian... I think it’s Jordanian because as a Lebanese-Syrian, I know for a fact it’s neither of those dialects, and he also said at the end of the video that he is in Amman.
سيدي الكريم، شكرا على المحتوى. إلا أنني أوقفت المشاهدة في ثلث الفيديو الذي اقترحت. مجرد رأي كمشاهد، لا أظن أنكم أنصفتم الموسيقى الغربية و كذا الموسيقى العربية. الأمثلة المختارة لا تعبر عن واقع الموسيقى العربية و الغربية، و لا تعبر عن قواعد الموسيقى العامة لدى النوعين. القواعد غير ما أظهرتم. شكرا للمجهود.
Sounds like a more accurate title would be "Why I think my native Arabic music is better than Western music." I appreciate the "differences" in things, because the differences are what make them unique and what make them matter. But, in order to give a fair and unbiased look at something, you need to be able to see the positives and negatives of each. For example, saying Western music has "only two scales" is an accurate statement. However, I have been given the understanding that the maqams are more comparable to the Western modes - of which there are more than two. Not that the number matters - but the way it is presented here is to have it be viewed as inferior - because there are only two. Sometimes *how* something is said is as or more important that *what* is said....
come fromChina, but i love arabic music too!
arabic music is warm
I had no idea how intricate and complex Arabic music was! Thanks for sharing!
4000B.C guitar in Iraq
4000B.C guitar in Iraq
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That was not a guitar. It was a harp. The sumerian harp.
True.. Arabic music is very complex and rich, and unfortunately Western musicians do not know that. The so-called maqams in Arabic music and the sub-maqams of the basic maqams have made their numbers very large. It is said that it reaches 300 maqams, and this creates musical depth because the branching is the mixing of the maqams with each other. The musical scale is basically divided into two parts. The first is the foundation of the first four notes, and the second is the branch of the next four notes. Each maqam has a degree of emphasis, some have a degree of emphasis on Do, and some have a degree of emphasis on Fa. Or mi or sol and others , The second four musical notes in the maqam are considered sub-maqam because their change is what forms the sub-maqam derived from the main maqam. For example, the basic maqam of Rast or Rasd (it has two names with similar pronunciations) is Rast in the degree of Qiyam and Rast again in the degree of Sul. However, if you change the second four signs from the degree of Sul to Hijaz, it is one of the basic maqams. We have a sub-maqam of Rast called Soznak. There are sub-maqams that consist of four sections on two complete musical scales, such as a maqam called Sultani Yikah, which is derived from a basic maqam called Al-Nahawand. In the West, Al-Nahawand is Minor.
. The number of rhythms in Arabic music is large, almost reaching 200 rhythms. In Arabic music, an Arab musician and singer who is considered good uses embellishments with the basic melody and even improvises if possible
i was trying to understand why arabic music sounded so different, especailly its quarter tone scales! i didnt know back then that there were multiple "scales" (maqams) and this blew my mind. Thank you for this video
This is very useful, but I must add that Western music before the classical period had many of the attributes you attribute solely to Arabic music. For example, it was modal (a mode is analogous to one of the maqams), dynamics weren't always indicated, melodies were played more freely and improvisationally, and often there was no conductor but, rather, the keyboardist would lead the ensemble. I encourage you to seek out some early Western music!
Congratulations from Spain. I am a musician and I have enlarged my musical knowledge thanks to you. Sukran! I would like that Arab music was a compulsory subject when learning music at the conservatory.
I like the Arabic one more
Arabic music is the only classical music i listen.
that's cool and all but I recommend to listen to many different types of classical music to expand your knowledge
@@salvat3735 same yes, i like all the older world style music
Originaly
What I found is western music is mostly based on Harmoney
Eastern music is based on Melody..
I must make a distinction here. When he says western music, he refers to European classical music from the second half of the 18th century. If you get into baroque music it's more melodical, and romantic is totally different and has influences from many other cultures.
well, western music is based on racism, eastern music is based on sounds.
@@benjaminmoloy7163 Someone came from the adam neely video :D
But without the extreme opinions (even though schenker was in fact a racist), I feel like many folk music in western countries also use microtonality. I think the western academy music (or western court music) is the western music that we listen to today. That's why the non equal temperament music in the western folk music (let it be balkans, spain, or ireland) are lost to the contemporary listener. The western court music was promoted so much as being the purest form of music that even western folk music tradition is kinda lost. Even Andras Schiff, hungarian pianist, talks about this.
@@benjaminmoloy7163 so just cause it’s European it’s automatically racist??? I find that a little racist itself, even though I’m not European
@@benjaminmoloy7163 what a dumb view.
From 🇺🇸 but I love Turkish and Arabic music. So beautiful. I remember when I was little hearing Arabic or Turkish music bits/influences in movies and shows I loved them but had to suppress it because I thought it was weird. But now I love them and embrace it and if someone doesn't like it, then it's their problem not mine :)
"Turkish music" is a misnomer. Turkish music is middle-eastern (aka near-eastern) music. Much of the near east is the Arabian plate and that is where civilization started so it seems reasonable to me to call it "Arabic music" also. Turks come from central asia and are fairly recent arrivals in Anatolia. The music of central asia can be seen in Turkic throat singing. Similar to mongol throat singing. It has nothing to do with middle easten music. Where Turks insist on using the term "Turkish music" it is usually for nationalistic reasons. Not reasons that have anything to do with actual history or the musical history of that part of the world.
PS1: Turkic throat singing here: th-cam.com/video/sYUTPH1Y8Lc/w-d-xo.html
PS2: Since most of the people of Anatolia are not of this relatively recent arrival Turkic origin, using the term Anatolian music would be reasonable also.
Turk colonize middle east music.
@@modallas2 hahaha is the state Mamluks that introduced Arabs to many musical instruments.
@@modallas2 The music in the link you posted is Central Asian Turkish shamanic music.
@@Emresomuncu you have music called Arabesk = arab esk = arab music so Turks are influenced by Arabic music
The way that Arabic music have many different and different types and melody from far Mesopotamia to arab peninsula to levant area Egypt and the Maghreb countries each one have its unique melody and different good music some of them just sad some relaxing some are for belly dance and others .
Also don’t forget that arabic music in general have drums🥁 and daf instruments and Darbuka instrument
Quarter tones sound amazing!
I dont live in europe or asia, but i like both arabic and western tone.
its the best video for knowing arabic music and distinguish it from others.. Awesome..learnt many things..
I wish you never stopped playing that music. so beautiful. just wow!!
Many thanks! It was so interesting! My dream is to see the fusion of these two kinds of music in a concert!
Hello. Please listen to the Arabian Concerto by Marcel Khalife, here on you tube. It's wonderful.
@@mihaiscarlatescu6597 For sure, I will! Thanks for the suggestion.
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Thank you for the video! I don't know much about music theory (western or otherwise), but I have long loved the sound of Arabic music, and as a musician I often feel limited by western music conventions, so learning how another system works was very useful.
But how to play a quarter tone on a piano 🤔
Jamie Western Classical piano composeds like Charles Ives have made quarter tone compositions by using two pianos, one of which is tuned a quarter tone sharp. This way you can switch between the two keyboards to achieve quarter tone melodies! Check out Charles Ives' compositions
مقام السيكا هو الاساسي لم تدكره ودكرت الهزام الفرعي من مقامين هما الحجاز و السيكا وشكرا على المعلومات
Arabic Music is spiritual deep in history
very interesting i was always curious about the difference
Arabic music depends on deep feelings and free style and simple classic tradition, western music depends on strict discipline following specific rules even if doesn't have feelings it is a discipline rules .
I also think that Arabic melodies are extremely hauntingly lovely, from what I’ve heard so far.
I disagree that classical music doesn’t have feelings though - it depends on how much you choose/ are able to connect with it.
Personally, Yo-yo Ma’s performance of The Dying Swan on cello really moved me. My breath caught in my throat as a felt what it must be like to lose someone.
Just because you can't feel it doesn't mean it's not there
I regret to say you are far wrong my friend. I understand why most people who are interested in music would think that. But believe me when I tell you there is nothing simple about Syrian music (the origin of arabic music) and it's not about feelings, it touches something deeper than feelings that trigger those feelings you mentioned. The craft of Syrian music takes a lifetime of discipline and supervision like every other music. But understanding how it triggers those kind of not only feelings but state of mind also and how to plan this process happens if mastering this craft.
الله يبارك فيك استاذ وين مقام السيكا وهل الهزام بديل عنه
لو سمحت, المقطع الموسيقى الذي انهيت الفيديو به من اي اغنيه؟
I would challenge anyone to listen to some Saba taqsim and not cry. Such a beautifully sad yet eerie sound. You played it just right here with your qanun too.
ممتاز اخى ربي يبارك فيكم ،عجبنى القانون و عزفك عليه باحترافية كبرى ....متابع جزائري
This is very fascinating. Beautiful music no matter which one you played.
Love from India! This is beautiful, but i am afraid, it is a bit too abstract for me to understand-- i got a million questions!!!
Basically, Oriental Music uses microtones for its melody.
You can either go as low as quarter-tones (24-EDO), according to Arabic theory, or twelfth of a tone (72-EDO), according to Greek Byzantine and Turkish theory.
Everything basically starts from a tetraphonic Maqam Rast, which is the standard Maqam of the Syrian diatonic scale.
Here is Maqam Rast in 72-EDO, which is more precise:
12-10-8-12-12-10-8 where you repeat 12-10-8 with pauses of a full tone (12) in between. Still, for the second tethracord, it can also be 12-8-10, which is the standard way to sing Maqam Rast, but this is another subject.
From this Scale, you derive all other scales.
If you move it one note higher, you get Maqam Bayati:
10-8-12-12-10-8-12 but normally the second tetrachord is almost always 8-10-12 in practice.
One note higher, you get Maqam Sikah:
8-12-12-10-8-12-12 where the strange thing is that the pause is 10 instead of twelve, when compared to the other two previous Maqamat.
One note higher, you get another possible fourth Maqam:
12-12-10-8-12-12-10, which I couldn't find the exact name, but I will just call it the Fourth One for now.
Those 4 Maqamat are the basis of all other Maqamat.
From Bayati, you get
- Maqam Nahawand: 12-6-12-12-6-12-12 where you have the D Minor scale with a flat B instead of a normal B.
- You also get Maqam Kurd: 6-12-12-12-6-12-12, which is the D Minor Scale with flat E and flat B
- Then, you also have Maqam Shahnaz: 6-18-6-6-18-6, which is the Double Harmonic Scale
- A sort of mixed scale also derived from this one is Maqam Hijaz: 6-18-6-12-10-8-12, which has the lower tethrachord of Shahnaz, but the upper one of Bayati.
- Maqam Saba is also a derived from Bayati.
- Maqam Farahfaza
- Maqam Housayni
- Maqam Hissar
- Maqam Bayati Shuri
From Sikah, you get:
- Maqam Huzam
- Maqam Shed 'Arababan
- An interesting Maqam that you can't reproduce on a 24-EDO instrument, but it is easier on a 72-EDO one is Maqam Sikah Baladi.
From the Fourth One, you get:
- Maqam 'Ajam Ushayran
- Maqam 'Ajam
- Maqam Jiharkah
- Maqam Rahat al-Arwah
- Maqam Ashurit
Probably this Maqam did not even come from the Syrian diatonic scale, but may have been originally on the Akkadian scale, which is more common on in Persian music. The original maqam would therefore have been 'Ajam Ushayran, an archaic form of 'Ajam.
Arabic music has both Syrian (probably ultimately Assyrian/Aramaic/Ugaritic) origins, and Persian (Akkadian) origins, and to a lesser extent was also influenced by Greek and Greek Byzantine Music.
From Rast, you get:
- Maqam Hijazkar
- Maqam Nikriz
- Maqam Hijazkar Kurd
- Maqam Nisabur
- Maqam Kirdan
- Maqam Dalanshin
etc.
In fact, usually from Rast you get the most derived Maqamat. It is the richest one of all, the basis of all Oriental Music, the most common Maqam, and the Maqam that was used especially for greeting kings and emperors.
In a way, with its derivations, Maqam Rast could be the most difficult Maqam of all. Especially when singing with the voice complicated songs get a lot of modulations in lost of different Maqamat.
@@tudormardare66 hey, most appreciated, thank you a lot!! I am copying this down! :)
wonderful, greeting from china
Bella música, desde durango, México, hermoso
What a beautiful musical Arabic instrument I wish play it
Actually there are more sales than Major And Minors in western music. Quarter notes don't exist (except for articulation such as in Blues), but other than that, they are similar.
What is a major important factor is the way you compose phrases, more than anything else. Basically, Arabic music has little more ingredients (10 instead of 8 ingredients), but what is more important is how you cook the dish (how you go about composing the melody). That is the real difference.
Yea I think the title should've been classical music vs Arabic music
@@osaze2708 well classic may mean different in eastern side. Because every culture has it's classic.
Riadul Kabir if this is the case, then he should at least brought the other western genres, such as jazz, hip hop, electro, etc...
@@osaze2708 Yeah but he didn't bring modern Arabic too. Our music is heavily influenced by classic so he just took both the classics. I'm not any expert in Arabic music tho. And modern music is somewhat result of globalization. So it's good to talk from root point. As far as what I understand.
@@riadulkabir2792 Yeah it makes sense vs classical music.
فديو مفيد وممتع جدا, شكرا على الاختصار وإيصال الفكرة بأجمل شكل ممكن.
Wow this is sooo interesting, loved every second of it!! Non western music is so fascinating
يا سيدي يا سيدي 😍
Thank you for the wonderful video and the detail of the English subtitles!
Maqam al hijaz gave me chills 😍
Very interesting video. I like Arabic music, it has such a psychedelic vibe.
شكرا
can you also do a vid on the difference between Arabic and Western singing?
Does anyone know of the name of the piece at 1:11
لماذا تتم الدوزنة على نغمة "اللا" وليست نغمة "ذو" مثلا أو سي .. هل أجد عندك جواب لهذا ؟ يعني هل هناك اعتبارية ما لهذه النغمة فيزيائيا أو تنغميا مثلا؟
عن اي آلة تتكلمي
@@k-popstan-tg6xr
يحادثك رجل للتصحيح ، علمنا أن آلات الموسيقية جميعها تتم دوزنتها على تردد "لا" 440 المعمول به كنظام عالمي للدوزنة ، وسؤالي كان لماذا نغمة "لا" بالتحديد..؟
لست أدري إن كنت فهمت السؤال
شكراً جزيلاً على الشرح الوافي
شكرا كتير
As a Sephardic (Spanish/ Middle-Eastern) Jew, I am quite used to hearing Arabic and Turkish music in the synagogue. What fascinates me is that the oud, a traditional Arabic instrument, is the ancestor of the western lute--the instrument that led to the guitar. From my understanding, the Moors brought the oud to the Iberian Peninsula (Spain), and later westerners added frets to it, thereby creating the lute. Brandon Acker, a youtuber and musicologist, has a video in which he describes the history behind the oud instrument. Here's the link: th-cam.com/video/KA5VdzRHh-U/w-d-xo.html
Yeah u guys steal everything
Sephardic jews are the coolest ones imo. Y’all made the zohar. What did the ashkenazis do? Speak Yiddish? Lol
. Arabic music is very complex and rich, and unfortunately Western musicians do not know that. The so-called maqams in Arabic music and the sub-maqams of the basic maqams have made their numbers very large. It is said that it reaches 300 maqams, and this creates musical depth because the branching is the mixing of the maqams with each other. The musical scale is basically divided into two parts. The first is the foundation of the first four notes, and the second is the branch of the next four notes. Each maqam has a degree of emphasis, some have a degree of emphasis on Do, and some have a degree of emphasis on Fa. Or mi or sol and others , The second four musical notes in the maqam are considered sub-maqam because their change is what forms the sub-maqam derived from the main maqam. For example, the basic maqam of Rast or Rasd (it has two names with similar pronunciations) It is a maqam rasat on the degree of du and Rast again in the degree of Sul. However, if you change the second four signs from the degree of Sul to Hijaz, it is one of the basic maqams. We have a sub-maqam of Rast called Soznak. There are sub-maqams that consist of four sections on two complete musical scales, such as a maqam called Sultani Yikah, which is derived from a basic maqam called Al-Nahawand. In the West, Al-Nahawand is Minor.
. The number of rhythms in Arabic music is large, almost reaching 200 rhythms. In Arabic music, an Arab musician and singer who is considered good uses embellishments with the basic melody and even improvises if possible.
I want to know what piece was played at 2:13 - it was absolutely beautiful.
It's called Aziza by Muhammad abdelwahab
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@@bayan8439 can you recommend me any arabic song/music like this that you think is good? It'd be very much appreciated
@@SlametRiyadi-lt2ej I’m no expert on this
subject , but I love these songs:
نبتدي منين الحكاية (1975) by abdelhalim hafiz
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العيون السود (1973) also by wardah Aljazairiah
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مداح القمر (1971) by abdelhalim hafiz
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معقول by fadel chakir (2020)
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There are many other songs, but as I said earlier I am not an expert on the matter. I hope you like them.
@@bayan8439 thank you for recommending me these, I'd definitely check them out soon, I've been captivated by arabic music ever since i listened to samai bayati by Ibrahim al aryan, it was the first piece I listened to 😁
Other than being of an Abrahamic faith, the thing I respect most about the Middle East is the music, no contest. Now does anyone know how one learns to sing in the Middle Eastern style?
I learned a lot from this.
شكرا لشرحك وفعلا كان مفيد اتمنالكم طريق رائع
I love all arabian sounds,music and songs
If anyone's wondering with the piece at 2:13, it's Aziza by Mahmoud effat
just about to ask then thought to check the comments
I am bored with western music. That's why I purchased an Oud!!!!
Can you play it?
شكرا جزيلا
1:37 💓😚😍 Tchaikovsky- Concierto para violín
ملخص كتير مفيد، وثقافتك الموسيقية واضحة. مشكور همام. أنا عم أدرس عن علم الموسيقى الغربية وحالياً عم اكتب مشروع التخرج عن الطرب.لا تسألني كيف زبطت معي :). والفرق شاسع جداً بالمصطلحات والمفاهيم والتاريخ عموماً.
يا ترى عندك شي اقتراح لكتاب عن الطرب باللغة العربية ؟ كل المصادر عندي بالانكليزية، ولكن حبذا لو أضيف شي مصدر بالعربي كمان.
Azoz boj
I regret to say you are far wrong my friend. I understand why most people who are interested in music would think that. But believe me when I tell you there is nothing simple about Syrian music (the origin of arabic music) and it's not about feelings, it touches something deeper than feelings that trigger those feelings you mentioned. The craft of Syrian music takes a lifetime of discipline and supervision like every other music. But understanding how it triggers those kind of not only feelings but state of mind also and how to plan this process happens if mastering this craft.
It was very helpful. Thanks for everything. Some of these maqams are shared between Arabic and Persian music.
arabic
سؤال:- ليه الصوت العربي أكثر عمق وأكثر جمال في الغناء بالصدى بينما الأغاني الأجنبية لا تكون بمستوى جمال وعمق الصوت العربي وتشعر انه لا يطرب إلا بالآلة الموسيقية .... هل مخارج الحروف العربية لها تأثير على ذلك ام هي تراكيب اللغة من حروف مد تساعد على التغني أكثر بالكلمات ...
أحب الإستماع للغناء العربي الخالي من الآلة فهو يلامس القلب أكثر
نعم اخي الفاضل جوابك عندك
لكن يوجد مطربين اجانب اصواتهم جميله فرانك سيناترا وخوليو اجلاسياس نات كينغ كول امريكا اللاتينيه ايضا لديهم اصوات ممتازه
هل العزف على الآلة هذه صعب
وكم تستغرق من الوقت حتى الإحتراف وشكرا لك 🌹
Okay i literally had no idea of about music so what are arabic piece of musics named, all of them here?
Did traditional Arabic music influence Indian music or vice-versa?
merci beaucoup pour cette leçon j'ai découvert la richesse de la musique et sa complexité par rapport a la musique classique
et je comprends pourquoi on est touché par la musque orientale de oum kaltsoum
Umm Kulthum
Any idea where the piece of music at 2.13 is from?
الموسيقى العربيه افضل من الغربيه اشكرك انا من المغرب
Can we make sound tracks from mouvies on arabic instrumenst
sure
And what major do I go to in university to make soundtracks pls tell me
Can someone pls tell ne
Shadow night 226 composition
اه عل قانون يا سلام
So cool that I pretend to be understanding the writing hehe
Amazing video!
والله يا صديقي يعطيك العافية بس انت حتى ما قربت ولو قليلا على الفرق ما بين الموسيقا الشرقية والغربية.
بين البوليفوني والطرب أو بين اي مركز في النفس البشرية بتتعامل كل من الموسيقتين... وامور اخرى كثيرة
رأيك مهم أستاذي الفاضل، لك الشكر وانشالله القادم رح يكون أكثر تفصيلاً وشكرا لك
مقام النكريز اول مرة ايمع فيه هل له اسم اخر؟
لا معروف نكريز وماله اسم تاني بس هو ما اساسي بل متفرع متفرع من النهاوند حسب بعض الدراسات واشهر ألحان النكريز موال وديع الصافي من يوم من يومين واقصد المقطع الاول مطلع الموال واغنية سوق على مهلك واغنية جرب نار الغيرة لوردة وموشح بين قاسيون وربوة
very interesting
nice vid
These maqats are definitely comparable to western modes, but does anyone know if any maqats are identical to any modes?
Nahawand is basically minor scale/harmonic minor
Ajam is the major scale
Nikriz comparable to Gypsy scale
Kurd is Phrygian mode on D
Hikaz Kar Double harmonic scale
Ahsan.. I like
Beautiful
Не понимаю, как можно противопоставлять два совершенно разных стиля.
Мне лично нравятся одинаково обе: и европейская традиция и арабская.
Кстати, Пётр Ильич Чайковский - это композитор, представляющий русскую музыкальную традицию.
Даже в самой Европе стили сильно разнятся между собой: английский, французский, немецкий, итальянский, испанский, нидерландский и так далее.
اسم آلة
ما هو اسم الألة الموسقية التي تسدخدمها ؟
قانون
What is the closing song please
i cant remember the name
Aziza by mohammad abdel wahab i believe
@@HM-rg5pm That's right
Great video
🌹🌹🥀🥀🥀
حبيبي العنوان خطا مع ان معلوماتك جدا جدا قليلة عن الموسيقى الغربية، لكن كان يجب ان تكتب الفرق بين الموسيقى العربية والكلاسيكية الغربية لانك مجرد كتبت غربية شملت كل الالوان الغربية هنالك الجاز والبلوز والبوب والروك وهنالك سكيلات تستخدم مثل المقامات الكنائسية في الجاز وكل اشكال الهارموني وايضا الموسيقى الغربية فيها هارموني على عدت اشكال بسيط ومعقد، ارجو ان تطلع اكثر على الموسيقى الغربية لكي تعمل مقارنه اما مجرد معلومات عامة سهله لايمكن اجراء مقارنة.. تحياتي
Western music is more active.
I think because it's weird to me.
Arabic music is more imaginative and sometimes sadder in general.
From now on the new official spelling for dynamics is dinamix
Well that’s funny 😂
Guys, why not write Arabic songs in the Byzantine notation? It is far better suited for Oriental Music than the horrible Western Notation, and easier to read and sing. In fact, Byzantine music and Oriental Music are the same, as Byzantine music ultimately comes from the East, from the ancient chanters of Syria.
Here are some of the correspondences:
Maqam Bayati - Echos Protos ek tou PA/Plagios tou Protou ek tou PA
Maqam Sikah - Echos Leghetos
Maqam Jiharkah/Ajam - Echos Tritos Nana/Echos Plagios tou Tritou (GA)
Maqam Farahfaza - Echos Protos/Plagios tou Protou DI
Maqam Hussayini - Plagios tou Protouu ek tou Ke
Maqam Huzam + Shed Araban - Echos Deuteros/Echos Plagios tou Deuterou Eirmologikos
Maqam Shahnaz + Hijaz - Echos Plagios tou Deuterou/Echos Deuteros Eirmologikos
Maqam Saba - Echos Protos Pathetikos
Maqam Iraq + Maqam Rahat al-Arwah + Ashurit - Echos Barys/Barys Hesychastikos
Maqam Rast - Echos Plagios tou Tetartou
Maqam Ajam Kurd - Echos Plagios tou Protou Phrygios
Maqam Nahawand - Plagios tou Protou Enharmonikos
Maqam Musta'ar - Phthora Musta'ar
Maqam Hisar - Phthora Hisar/Khroa Spathe
Maqam Nisabur - Phthora Nisabour/Khroa Kliton
There are many other correspondences, but in the end we can say it is the same music.
Great explanation, but am confused here. I'm not sure if one can compare western classical music, which is unique in its genre, with any other music in other parts of the world. Great European classical music by great composer like Beethoven, Mozart, Chopin, Tchaikovsky, Bach, Vivaldi etc. is unique to a certain period of European music and comparing it with other music like Arabic doesn't do justice to either.! I wish you used melodies of western music from the 20th century onwards. Traditional Pop music, Jazz, Rock and roll etc. would make a better comparison. Thx
There is no question about that. Western music is the best and most developed in the world.
@@qusaiyounis-gz6tk talk about yourself
even modern western music was extremely influenced by Arabic music
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تسلم فيديو اكثر من رائع
I need to learn and memorize these scales so I can beats out of them
Lol .. did u got it after 1 month !
did you get them after 2 months? please answer
01:12 and 02:14 songs name ?
Aziza - Muhammad abdel wahhab, Balad El-Mahboub - Muhammad abdel wahhab
@@arabicmusiclibrary8015 i knew aziza şükran sukran
I hope I dont see you in another video claiming them to be Turkish song like many of our turk friends claim many arabic songs as turkish in one um kulthum song one turk try to make the song turkish and he went far to say "listen to the words it is even in turkish" to confuse non Arab listener... it was funny :) to imagine um kulthum singing in turkish. Salam brother
@@sutil5078 my brother arabesque music is very famous in turkey, it was inspired by the music of famous egyptian and lebanese singers. Turkish poems were written on the music.
@@sutil5078 But don't think all of them have been stolen, 35% of them seem to have been stolen. The reason for this is that arabesque music began to be heard in our country in the 60s . In the following years, very good music was produced.
Your explanations of western classical music are not exactly accurate. You can have simple and complex melodies in any form of music it depends on the piece and composer. Also, no type of music only uses one form of note. Why would quarter note exist if not to be used? Maestro and conductor is not the same thing. Musical interpretation is not all written down in classical music one can had personal flare and touches especially during cadenzas which were originally made for free form solo but got more structured eith time. Both music styles use orchestras and so need a conductor. Smaller groups in both music genres would not need one. There are alot of different scales. There is major and minor but also tentitonic mixalodian to name a few.
مين قالك في مقامات عربية بالاساس
What kind of instrument is that?
Kanun, also called Qanun.
@@tarek4042 thank you!!!
قانون
يا ابن هي مقامات شرقية مش بس عربية
Hi! Can anyone tell which Arabic dialect he is speaking? Thank you!
friend of humanity Thank you!
Miguel Lorenzo De Lim It’s Jordanian, not Lebanese.
OSTSarahB Thank you! Is that why it sounds similar to Palestinian Arabic? Also, the intonation reminds me of Hebrew.
Miguel Lorenzo De Lim You’re welcome! I guess that’s why it does sound similar to Palestinian... I think it’s Jordanian because as a Lebanese-Syrian, I know for a fact it’s neither of those dialects, and he also said at the end of the video that he is in Amman.
He was using less dialect, more fus-ha, formal arabic that is.. however the dialect is jordanian similar to syrian but still different.
No in western culture we have around 35 scales.
Thx.Humam ...fee majel share it on my TH-cam ? Channel? Thx in advance
Sure
6:55 it is not (Alrasd) it is (Rast)
يجوز اللفظين هو له اسمين او يلفظ بلفظين
سيدي الكريم، شكرا على المحتوى. إلا أنني أوقفت المشاهدة في ثلث الفيديو الذي اقترحت. مجرد رأي كمشاهد، لا أظن أنكم أنصفتم الموسيقى الغربية و كذا الموسيقى العربية. الأمثلة المختارة لا تعبر عن واقع الموسيقى العربية و الغربية، و لا تعبر عن قواعد الموسيقى العامة لدى النوعين. القواعد غير ما أظهرتم. شكرا للمجهود.
cool
Note
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كيف يعد مقام الرست الثامن في تصنيف المقامات الرئيسيّة !!
جميع المقامات لها أهميتها، الترتيب في الفيديو لا يعني الأهمية،، شكراً لتعليقك
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@@arabicmusiclibrary8015 ما اسم هذه الآله؟
Sounds like a more accurate title would be "Why I think my native Arabic music is better than Western music."
I appreciate the "differences" in things, because the differences are what make them unique and what make them matter.
But, in order to give a fair and unbiased look at something, you need to be able to see the positives and negatives of each.
For example, saying Western music has "only two scales" is an accurate statement. However, I have been given the understanding that the maqams are more comparable to the Western modes - of which there are more than two. Not that the number matters - but the way it is presented here is to have it be viewed as inferior - because there are only two.
Sometimes *how* something is said is as or more important that *what* is said....
I am arab, and your point is good. But arabic music and scales are more open than western ones. Beacause of the 1/4 of tone
Inferiority complex.