Documentaries like these make me realize how much I still don't know, and I am insanely happy when I found out something new. Thank you for making this available!
Indeed just don't take everything literary, things like 1st they say oh these were advanced people yet in the next part somehow they had performed primitive level "sacrifices" and other nonsense. I mean that kind of satanic crap is happening today too but NOT majority of people are doing it and never was. Things like they found a hoard of tusks and other items "oh must be sacrifice" ... IT DOESNT, can be that they simply kept the things there as storage or was kept hidden during a raid. There been plenty of written evidences through the history that every civilization had hidden rooms to keep away tools, materials, children and woman hidden during a raid, be it at home, shrines or even middle of nowhere. Same thing. Even rooms big enough to hide the entire village inside. Recently I been talking to a man, about a place family names overall Serbian history and people there a once was fortified town in today's Hercegovina where none of the invaders ever managed to take over 100% because they had hidden cave systems, mountain formations etc where the whole village could hide and hide all the important things, from items to food water etc. They had well systems in caves and it was so greatly hidden no one could realize anyone lives here. Usually men were fighting the invaders while everyone else was hidden and they could see miles away when they will be attacked and could calculate when it will happen. Even today you can find in random rooms caves etc hoard of items because they kept it there safe and only took it out when they needed it. They all shared everything there was no "this is mine, that is yours" instead what is mine is yours too. It's been like this for centuries. But for someone today might this come odd because we live in a era of over-consumerism and everyone is locked inside their own imaginary world keeping things for themselves. We were not like that, we didn't had fences etc to keep away the neighbors but the wild animals and the enemy. MAJOR DIFFERENCES
archeologists give guidance to convervators how to restore it, because conservators do not know what they are supposed to restore, only archeologist knows that because they studied that culture.
@@AlbedoRhinedottir1223Not true. Conservators have archeology lessons too. Itf they studied at a university. At least in my university, that was the norm. I don't know what they do in foreign universities.
Something I find interesting about their discoveries about this ancient people are the early civilization tropes that parallel to that of the early Celts. They both have practices of human sacrifice and burying alive the servants or slaves of nobles along with them, adorned with precious items, chariots, and more. It’s fascinating how many early civilizations have very similar habits despite their separate locations and zero contact due to geographical boundaries.
@@6Euphoria6 probably from History channel Ancient Aliens- I mean the Celts didn't do what this person claims either. This video isn't much better (at least the title) "lost kingdom" what?! the Chinese have known about the Shang dynasty for millenia, wait until Americans learn of the Xia
@@6Euphoria6 to me it seems more to be about superiority, as if people 2 or even 4 thousand years ago were not as intelligent, industrious and talented as us-- only difference is a greater amount of collective knowledge
@@huberthumphry280 i apologize if what I said was too vague. I was referring to the tribes that became the Celts. If you’re wondering where I got that from, it was from a BBC documentary titled the Celts. If the information is false or the documentary itself is inaccurate then please let me know. Thanks.
It IS NOT a "lost kingdom". It is a city that is something like a "missing link" between two different periods of the western Sichuan cultures, which we group together as Shu. This find is more like accidentally finding a Greek city from 800BCE we didn't know about before, it is an intermediary period we don't know much about. The OLDEST "Shu" culture we have like 6 sites for, though only one that is large and with many artifacts, and not long after Jinsha we have multiple other sites, from the very late Spring and Autumn and into the Warring States period. But the kingdom of Qin conquered the Shu kingdom, and then the Ba-Shu people of eastern Sichuan, and the culture was essentially wiped out through forced assimilation. Only tiny remnants of their language and culture are still around. Jinsha was (likely) the capital of more like a series of hegemons or something like city-states, it is hard to say for certain.
A missing link is basically a lost kingdom, till now we dont know the missing link from the evolution of apes to humans, so it is lost, until its found.
OK, there was a lot of neat stuff in this episode, but the presentation made it rather difficult to parse them. The use of superlatives in the very beginning ("some say the MOST important discovery") immediately evoked suspicion about who was saying this, to whom, and in what capacity. But the connection of the multiple different sites in relationship to one another was interesting (wish there'd been more proof of the connections and discussion about how they know the connections), and seeing the layout of the building complexes was a brief, fascinating window into the lives of the people. The focus on human sacrifice was a little sensationalized and forced, as though there was a subtext being pushed about these people being more violent or less worthy than the people who gave rise to modern China. Am a little concerned about there being proteins in the stabilization glue used on the tusks, and that would thoroughly confuse a lot of current methods for dating and determining the origins of ancient biological material. It's nice that the dig sites get enclosed and rendered open to the public. That seems a lot like the La Brea Tar Pits. Hopefully, there are robust measures in place to prevent or ameliorate site contamination.
It was a common practice in colonial archeology to ascribe ‘war-like’, ‘human sacrifice’ etc to cultures to denigrate them. Whenever they find a mass grave ‘oh, it must have been a sacrifice’, instead of it being due to a plague or starvation or genocide. Someone in a posture with his hands behind his back, it might have been a criminal. Maybe they were used as ‘examples’ to dissuade crime.
I agree that the human sacrifice angle was sensationalistic. The actual archaeologists who worked on these sites didn't seem to suggest human sacrifice anywhere as much as the program host. Eg. the bound figures were variably seen as shamans ritually humiliating themselves. What is disturbing however was the presence of dismembered remains in a gravesite - makes me wonder about cannibalism. I think the host was even handed in comparing the human sacrifice aspect to the contemporaneous Shang culture. The fact that the Shang dynasty is both cruel and an ancestral culture to modern Chinese common knowledge. In fact the rejection of Shang cruelty is the justification for the legitimacy of the subsequent Zhou culture. One example where we see the legacy of the Zhou culture is the tomb of the tyrant Qin Shi Huang: as cruel as he was, human sacrifice was no longer practised hence the terracotta warriors.
It's amazing the Chinese government let any of this get out there. They usually hide anything critical and this history even though it's ancient isn't exactly rainbows and waterfalls.
It sure does. Maybe that's also why China is obsessed with Taiwan: They have cultural icons which Mainland China wants to posses as Mainland China kinda lost some of it's culture after the Mau party took over.
The point of outfitting the gods with a mask is to cover his unsightly appearance because as Quetzalcoatl said "If ever my subjects were to see my true appearance, they would surely run away!"
In Judaism, we are told that no one can see G-d and live, for the glory & might would be too much for a human to bear. So it's a fairly universal idea.
@@thedeesus4249weird because this documentary isn't made by Chinese state media 😂 she studied abroad so if it's obsessive this made be because you liberal university 😂
This is a very nice documentary regarding Chinese History. However, I do find it weird how there seems to be a kind of forced justification in the earlier part of the video that the Shu People conduct Human sacrifice. As stated in 7:38 "There is no trace of human sacrifice, However, we cannot dismiss the possibility that there were no human sacrificial practices in the ancient Shu Kingdom." I think this justifies the mindset of archaeology, that everything is indeed a theory and not a concrete definite fact, I feel like the video has been more leaning in trying to state everything as a human sacrifice without much concrete evidence to prove so. The evidence presented could be evaluated in a different sense - not necessarily human sacrifice. While it is a possibility, it is not definite. That being said, with the existing archeological discovery, I think it appears quite clear that the Shu people are highly spiritual and do indeed worship deities. That itself is something amazing to learn about but I think implying there is a strong chance of human sacrifice is still too soon.
I think it is just that there is a common trend of human sacrifice in prehistorical china with very well based archeological evidence. Thus, the same trend is being investigated here too.
In order to claim the land as site to be protected for archaeological excavations & lessen the greedy real estate moguls' desire to keep hands on it, from just taking it.. they maintain the lie /hypothesis that it's "human sacrifice" site.. because people wouldn't buy houses over land that has had energy of bloody sacrifices where it's a graveyard of sorts... haunted. Like we know house don't sell or as well as quick that's haunted, or where there's murder happened or corpse found whilst building the foundation- don't sell or takes a lot of convincing to buyers or lie to hide it from buyers.
This is just their usual discourse, and the entire "documentary" is meant for that sole purpose alone, so that people that are interested in this topic but don't know more than they're being told, always think there was something barbaric about a great culture's past, or if it's their own culture but they grew up abroad and no longer have access to it, they will feel ashamed of it and instead think higher of western cultures, as if they were a more civilized role model to follow and look up to.
It’s possible that people used to bring back remains of humans in war, sometimes humans who died violent deaths may not have had their body parts dis levered and some missing. And so whatever body part remain it was brought back for funeral services
@@geoms6263it's only communist by name not in practice. It's a socialist in practice. Even if it's a communist, so what?, it's far more successful than the western capitalist governments. The saying goes, It doesn't matter what colour the cat is as long as it catches mice.
But technically china doesn't have its own culture. They borrowed from india. And the fact india culturally and economically dominated dominated china for many centuries. By the way india was more economically and culturally dominated as compared to china.. For facts you can check history" india was called a golden bird due to massive gold and natural resources 😂😂😂
They clearly had a vibrant handicrafts and artisan communities considering all the statues sculpted? Have they decided to name the style of sculpturing the Jinsha style of sculpting?
Interesting topic but I found the presentation lacking. Found an archeological site of an ancient civilization and immediately you question if there was human sacrifices? Like are there more important things to know. Like did they have written languages. Did they have contact with tribes in the Yellow River region. Not to mention the Shu Kingdom isn’t something new at all. And this was also not the first archeological site of Shu.
23:13 They worshipped: 1. Sun, 2. Moon, 3. Rivers/Waters,.4.Birds, 5. Animals associated with the Sun and the Moon or Night and Day. Almost like in ancient Egypt. Very very similar to Ancient Egypt. Cool! They also got their beginnings in Africa!
@@JunoDiovonaDemihof Actually, there's a logical explanation: in the 18th Century the missionaries co-opted a semi-obsolete term for the highest god in ancient China "Shang Di" for the Christian god. Owing to this contrivance, obviously they are not the same despite bearing the same name and similar characteristics.
It’s possible Jinsha kingdom had a different belief system from Shang dynasty. And so unlike Shang dynasty they did not practise human sacrifice. Before the arrival of prophets and monotheistic religious gods kingdoms and cultures of diverse belief systems lived next to each other and had extensive contacts with one another. So it possible that Shang dynasty and Jinsha kingdom were two culture with extensive contacts but highly distinct cultures
According to the epic Book of Kings, Shah-Nameh * by Firdusi, 640 -1040 AD, religious human sacrification was Banned nearly 4500 B.C. worldwide by order of Key-Goshtaceb. But this Statue is the Statue of Key-Cyaavash, who was executed innocently by his uncle Afraasyab with his hands tied on his back! Then, it became a religion, and this Statue was their religious style!
I just realized that this is where one of my favorite authors got the name for one of the countries in her books, the country is called "Shu han" and this is very on brand for Leigh Bardugo
Wait, so they suddenly found dozens of elephant tusks while they were conveniently filming this show? Not only that, the dirt isn't compacted, but loosely tossed around them so it can be easily brushed away in front of all the guest in a short amount of time?? Not only that, but since they just discovered this huge discovery in the middle of the viewing area, it means they decided to build this entire building before they even completed the excavation of the site and would have damaged all of the other artifacts they didn't bother looking for??? Not only that, they just jam wooden pegs in dirt trying to force a very thin piece of gold foil out and then physically bending it, not at a table applying gentle pressure with gloves mind you, but in front of other cameras that are there for this big discovery???? Everyone needs to compare how they are treating these relics compared to every other modern excavation with trained personal, not ones trying to film a show piece and make money through exhibitions.
Lol did you really expect to see the original dig? Of course it is reenacted for the camera in good lighting, good weather with nice looking clean crew!
@@brave-i9l Not true.. Squid game was real. And also democratic countries have these collective lies about communist countries. For example during Korean war if a communist soldier raped an old lady, he was shot dead immediately. If an American soldier raped a little kid? You already know the answer.
That’s not true. It’s been famous within China, it’s just the West has never interested to get to know about Chinese history. I’m from Chengdu so I can tell you that has been a greatly known
And Jinsha people also had an elaborate form military division, many kinds of weapons and possibly their own system of martial arts. Martial arts stems from beneficial exercises and observing nature so they might have had their own systems of exercise a rudimentary but similar system to Yoga or Ti Chi
I am Shu People . My ZUZU（my grandpa's mother）, several of my grandfathers, my uncles, and my brothers all look very similar to the Golden Mask. This documentary was probably filmed about ten years ago.
I am a bit confusing.... is the video about archeology or about the woman and China? Why videos from zoo with pandas and old photos of the woman as a child?
Sanxingdui in ancient China that produced stunning bronzes, jades, and gold objects. Also part of the SHU dynasty, is mixed up in here by way of a mask with oval shaped eyes. Ivory? Africa?
Appreciate your documentary as an archeologist, we need to know how was it so that may help humanity how to foresee for coming days, combination may keys to something that cannot explain in brief
The ‘music of the trees with the wind is like the sounds of the waves of the sea, that is like that with the tree I had in 1 of the houses I had lived, it was a beautiful sound, just like being near to the sea!
I have ancient Chinese, Turkish, Czech, Celt, W African, German, French, Italian & Coptic Egyptian Ancestors. I have a genetic link to 4 different variants of Viking. We know very little just yet. We are just getting started... humans are just babies. We think we know so much and yet we know so little.
I appreciate the creative thoughts of Professor Wang, but the kneeling figure with hands tied is a classic position for execution and is still the position of execution.
As a historian,i would say this site of Jinsha could be considered as a colony like Hongkong thousands years ago. Its technology is much advanced than other of china at that time. It’s a Quite simple and topical paradigm in history itself .nothing special.
@@margadebenport7352 2 of the oldest civilisation are the Chinese and Hindu, they were in buildings while the rest of the world was still in mud huts at the best
Ave seen a peculiar Khmer bronze statue that bore facial features from the grotesque style of this culture - suggestive of some cultural exchange at 5he time.
The only thing i don like this documentary is that it is raletively new and it was recently made, but the cinematic filter made it dusty and painful to watch....the official jinsha and sanxingdui archeo documentary look much more eyefriendly to me
I couldn't help but get the idea that this was the Chinese version of a BBC documentary. Like those BBC docs, there's a lot of focus on the presenter, not just the archaeological research. Anyway, I was glad when there were some scenes of her in a red shirt. I was beginning to wonder if she actually wore exactly the same clothes every day LOL Nevertheless, it made clear there's a real archaeological site of importance. It's always Interesting to me to hear something about the ancient history of China (before the Qin dynasty). You know that Chinese civilization, old as it is, didn't just pop up out of nowhere. It's always fascinating to learn something about the precursors to what we now call "China".
I think it amazing finding a lost world but digging all those graves and leaving it exposed for all to see I find this spiritually hurtful for those who now can not rest in peace 🕊️
24:10 Why are trees found near water being worshipped? Hmmmmm🤔 ... Maybe because wood floats? 🤔 and lives can be saved by using such a "miracle" in water?🤔
It may take awhile to reconstruct their culture. But we can confirm the basics they had a political institutution, they had an authority figure, they believed in after life since they had burials. Whether they believed in gods or were nature worshippers or were atheistic is a matter of debate. The language they speak also matters. Has their been a discovery of inscriptions? What language did they speak? What is the genetic make up or genome of the bones and skeletons discovered?
Indeed ancient Chinese literature has much to say about the ancient Shu people, including how they were conquered by the Qin and culturally exterminated. Their civilization was indeed independent of Chinese civilization.
The gods walked on earth at that time! Humen took over the jobs the gods didnt want to do! They showed us! How to build! Math, writting, the weel, ect, we cared for them! Then when they left? We humens took over earth! After the flood! We relearned everything they showed us!
Perhaps the statue of the men kneeling with their hands tied behind their backs has been misinterpreted. A servant of the kingdom or the king must be faithful and think first of his duties and not of his own personal greed. He kneels before a system of power and serves it without desiring the freedom to use it for his own interests. The sacrifice of the servant of the kingdom or the king in this case is symbolic and not real. Thus, the statue represents this symbolic sacrifice and fulfills the function of reminding the servant who he is, what he must do and what is expected of him.
great to see a documentary that pays attention to the tones in the names, i always see documentaries that are made by not chinese and they mispronounce everything
I think these are mong or hmong people, the symbol look similar to the hmong today symbol. You can find that on the clothes. Our history, we used to live in that area. Its pass down that we used to live under a very big trees but its got burn down to the only the root. That is all i remember from the story from all the elders.
There must have been many named tribes who formed a congregation or confederacy at Jinsha. Because all these are totem symbols and an organised from of animism. And an organised form of animism or shamanism only arises when humans organise themselves into tribal groups. And large kingdom such Shang or Jinsha arise when multiple tribal group unit to form a single political unit
I would have liked to see the videos on china history. Unfortunately, i can't clearly read the subtitles. Please put a black background behind the white subtitles. Otherwise, I'm not going to strain my eyes trying to read. Thanks
Any resemblance to statues at Easter Islands which has its own fascinating story? Bottom line is the human communities leaving us with great artifacts and sophisticated achievements be it in graves or places of worship!
Why focus on the possibility that there was human sacrifice here? Seems unnecessarily sensationalized, considering that the narrator admits that there is no evidence to support this theory.
Documentaries like these make me realize how much I still don't know, and I am insanely happy when I found out something new. Thank you for making this available!
Indeed just don't take everything literary, things like 1st they say oh these were advanced people yet in the next part somehow they had performed primitive level "sacrifices" and other nonsense. I mean that kind of satanic crap is happening today too but NOT majority of people are doing it and never was.
Things like they found a hoard of tusks and other items "oh must be sacrifice" ... IT DOESNT, can be that they simply kept the things there as storage or was kept hidden during a raid.
There been plenty of written evidences through the history that every civilization had hidden rooms to keep away tools, materials, children and woman hidden during a raid, be it at home, shrines or even middle of nowhere. Same thing. Even rooms big enough to hide the entire village inside.
Recently I been talking to a man, about a place family names overall Serbian history and people there a once was fortified town in today's Hercegovina where none of the invaders ever managed to take over 100% because they had hidden cave systems, mountain formations etc where the whole village could hide and hide all the important things, from items to food water etc. They had well systems in caves and it was so greatly hidden no one could realize anyone lives here.
Usually men were fighting the invaders while everyone else was hidden and they could see miles away when they will be attacked and could calculate when it will happen. Even today you can find in random rooms caves etc hoard of items because they kept it there safe and only took it out when they needed it. They all shared everything there was no "this is mine, that is yours" instead what is mine is yours too.
It's been like this for centuries. But for someone today might this come odd because we live in a era of over-consumerism and everyone is locked inside their own imaginary world keeping things for themselves. We were not like that, we didn't had fences etc to keep away the neighbors but the wild animals and the enemy. MAJOR DIFFERENCES
WE know nothing, it's not just you. We really don't
A correction. The golden plate took several years for conservators to restore it, not for archeologists.
archeologists give guidance to convervators how to restore it, because conservators do not know what they are supposed to restore, only archeologist knows that because they studied that culture.
@@AlbedoRhinedottir1223Not true. Conservators have archeology lessons too. Itf they studied at a university. At least in my university, that was the norm. I don't know what they do in foreign universities.
Something I find interesting about their discoveries about this ancient people are the early civilization tropes that parallel to that of the early Celts. They both have practices of human sacrifice and burying alive the servants or slaves of nobles along with them, adorned with precious items, chariots, and more. It’s fascinating how many early civilizations have very similar habits despite their separate locations and zero contact due to geographical boundaries.
From what I heard, they never found human remains so idk where ur idea came from
@@6Euphoria6 probably from History channel Ancient Aliens- I mean the Celts didn't do what this person claims either.
This video isn't much better (at least the title) "lost kingdom" what?! the Chinese have known about the Shang dynasty for millenia, wait until Americans learn of the Xia
@huberthumphry280 I honestly despite that channel. What aliens? Ever heard of "artistic freedom?"
@@6Euphoria6 to me it seems more to be about superiority, as if people 2 or even 4 thousand years ago were not as intelligent, industrious and talented as us-- only difference is a greater amount of collective knowledge
@@huberthumphry280 i apologize if what I said was too vague. I was referring to the tribes that became the Celts. If you’re wondering where I got that from, it was from a BBC documentary titled the Celts. If the information is false or the documentary itself is inaccurate then please let me know. Thanks.
Last summer, I visited this Jinsha museum, and I found it to be quite impressive.
It IS NOT a "lost kingdom". It is a city that is something like a "missing link" between two different periods of the western Sichuan cultures, which we group together as Shu.
This find is more like accidentally finding a Greek city from 800BCE we didn't know about before, it is an intermediary period we don't know much about. The OLDEST "Shu" culture we have like 6 sites for, though only one that is large and with many artifacts, and not long after Jinsha we have multiple other sites, from the very late Spring and Autumn and into the Warring States period. But the kingdom of Qin conquered the Shu kingdom, and then the Ba-Shu people of eastern Sichuan, and the culture was essentially wiped out through forced assimilation. Only tiny remnants of their language and culture are still around. Jinsha was (likely) the capital of more like a series of hegemons or something like city-states, it is hard to say for certain.
A missing link is basically a lost kingdom, till now we dont know the missing link from the evolution of apes to humans, so it is lost, until its found.
Like the Etruscan civilisation, fully developed and inter-acting with other cultures till the Romans subdued them.
OK, there was a lot of neat stuff in this episode, but the presentation made it rather difficult to parse them. The use of superlatives in the very beginning ("some say the MOST important discovery") immediately evoked suspicion about who was saying this, to whom, and in what capacity. But the connection of the multiple different sites in relationship to one another was interesting (wish there'd been more proof of the connections and discussion about how they know the connections), and seeing the layout of the building complexes was a brief, fascinating window into the lives of the people. The focus on human sacrifice was a little sensationalized and forced, as though there was a subtext being pushed about these people being more violent or less worthy than the people who gave rise to modern China. Am a little concerned about there being proteins in the stabilization glue used on the tusks, and that would thoroughly confuse a lot of current methods for dating and determining the origins of ancient biological material.
It's nice that the dig sites get enclosed and rendered open to the public. That seems a lot like the La Brea Tar Pits. Hopefully, there are robust measures in place to prevent or ameliorate site contamination.
Ecxatly!
It was a common practice in colonial archeology to ascribe ‘war-like’, ‘human sacrifice’ etc to cultures to denigrate them. Whenever they find a mass grave ‘oh, it must have been a sacrifice’, instead of it being due to a plague or starvation or genocide. Someone in a posture with his hands behind his back, it might have been a criminal. Maybe they were used as ‘examples’ to dissuade crime.
I agree that the human sacrifice angle was sensationalistic. The actual archaeologists who worked on these sites didn't seem to suggest human sacrifice anywhere as much as the program host. Eg. the bound figures were variably seen as shamans ritually humiliating themselves. What is disturbing however was the presence of dismembered remains in a gravesite - makes me wonder about cannibalism.
I think the host was even handed in comparing the human sacrifice aspect to the contemporaneous Shang culture. The fact that the Shang dynasty is both cruel and an ancestral culture to modern Chinese common knowledge. In fact the rejection of Shang cruelty is the justification for the legitimacy of the subsequent Zhou culture. One example where we see the legacy of the Zhou culture is the tomb of the tyrant Qin Shi Huang: as cruel as he was, human sacrifice was no longer practised hence the terracotta warriors.
China has such a rich and beautiful history ❤
It's amazing the Chinese government let any of this get out there. They usually hide anything critical and this history even though it's ancient isn't exactly rainbows and waterfalls.
It sure does. Maybe that's also why China is obsessed with Taiwan: They have cultural icons which Mainland China wants to posses as Mainland China kinda lost some of it's culture after the Mau party took over.
This documentary is absolutely fascinating! Jinsha is a remarkable place
and reporter she is adorable
The point of outfitting the gods with a mask is to cover his unsightly appearance because as Quetzalcoatl said
"If ever my subjects were to see my true appearance, they would surely run away!"
In Judaism, we are told that no one can see G-d and live, for the glory & might would be too much for a human to bear. So it's a fairly universal idea.
Droughts and floods have felled many civilisations.
And pathogens.
Jinsha museum actually takes forien speaking students as volunteers, every year.
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The obsession this woman has with trying to figure out if these people sacrificed their own people is outrageous.
State propaganda
Hmm how is that state propaganda ? I think she is a scholar who is just curious and has a hypothesis
@@thedeesus4249weird because this documentary isn't made by Chinese state media 😂 she studied abroad so if it's obsessive this made be because you liberal university 😂
Yeah, some people just can't understand intellectual curiosity.
This woman obvious is not Chinese
This is a very nice documentary regarding Chinese History. However, I do find it weird how there seems to be a kind of forced justification in the earlier part of the video that the Shu People conduct Human sacrifice. As stated in 7:38 "There is no trace of human sacrifice, However, we cannot dismiss the possibility that there were no human sacrificial practices in the ancient Shu Kingdom." I think this justifies the mindset of archaeology, that everything is indeed a theory and not a concrete definite fact, I feel like the video has been more leaning in trying to state everything as a human sacrifice without much concrete evidence to prove so. The evidence presented could be evaluated in a different sense - not necessarily human sacrifice. While it is a possibility, it is not definite.
That being said, with the existing archeological discovery, I think it appears quite clear that the Shu people are highly spiritual and do indeed worship deities. That itself is something amazing to learn about but I think implying there is a strong chance of human sacrifice is still too soon.
Yes
I think it is just that there is a common trend of human sacrifice in prehistorical china with very well based archeological evidence. Thus, the same trend is being investigated here too.
In order to claim the land as site to be protected for archaeological excavations & lessen the greedy real estate moguls' desire to keep hands on it, from just taking it.. they maintain the lie /hypothesis that it's "human sacrifice" site.. because people wouldn't buy houses over land that has had energy of bloody sacrifices where it's a graveyard of sorts... haunted. Like we know house don't sell or as well as quick that's haunted, or where there's murder happened or corpse found whilst building the foundation- don't sell or takes a lot of convincing to buyers or lie to hide it from buyers.
This is just their usual discourse, and the entire "documentary" is meant for that sole purpose alone, so that people that are interested in this topic but don't know more than they're being told, always think there was something barbaric about a great culture's past, or if it's their own culture but they grew up abroad and no longer have access to it, they will feel ashamed of it and instead think higher of western cultures, as if they were a more civilized role model to follow and look up to.
It’s possible that people used to bring back remains of humans in war, sometimes humans who died violent deaths may not have had their body parts dis levered and some missing. And so whatever body part remain it was brought back for funeral services
thank you so very much for this historical video and the historical and ancient artifacts presented
In addition to Shu, there is actually a kingdom called Ba in Sichuan, which is actually as old as Shu. 🙂
The editor needed warm milk and a blanket.
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@DonnellOkafor-pd7yn me too
Fantastic ... China was the world's economic "sleeping giant", now it's archeology's "sleeping giant" 🌄
now is comunist
@@geoms6263it’s been communist for 70 years. You living under a rock or something
@@geoms6263at least spell it right bruh
@@geoms6263it's only communist by name not in practice. It's a socialist in practice. Even if it's a communist, so what?, it's far more successful than the western capitalist governments. The saying goes, It doesn't matter what colour the cat is as long as it catches mice.
But technically china doesn't have its own culture.
They borrowed from india.
And the fact india culturally and economically dominated dominated china for many centuries.
By the way india was more economically and culturally dominated as compared to china..
For facts you can check history" india was called a golden bird due to massive gold and natural resources 😂😂😂
Very interesting. I want to learn more.
The artifacts aren't "spoils".
Everything in China is spoils of evil
Utterly fascinating
The ancient people where talented intelligent and creative we know so little of our ancient past No mention of aliens …
They clearly had a vibrant handicrafts and artisan communities considering all the statues sculpted? Have they decided to name the style of sculpturing the Jinsha style of sculpting?
Interesting topic but I found the presentation lacking. Found an archeological site of an ancient civilization and immediately you question if there was human sacrifices? Like are there more important things to know. Like did they have written languages. Did they have contact with tribes in the Yellow River region. Not to mention the Shu Kingdom isn’t something new at all. And this was also not the first archeological site of Shu.
Can't agree more, I just don't get it why she's so convinced on that human sacrifices topic.
@@danielr700It’s all about the views.
Another great video! I'm in the middle of watching the 2010 Three Kingdoms TV series. You made me view Cao Cao in a completely different light.
Please provide audible translation for listening as a Podcast
Thank you.
China looks absolutely beautiful.
23:13 They worshipped: 1. Sun, 2. Moon, 3. Rivers/Waters,.4.Birds, 5. Animals associated with the Sun and the Moon or Night and Day.
Almost like in ancient Egypt.
Very very similar to Ancient Egypt.
Cool! They also got their beginnings in Africa!
They also worshipped the God of the Bible. His name was Shang Di
@@mattparke4370 god of the Bible? Lol… that's a new one.
@@JunoDiovonaDemihof煞笔说的你要不看看中国的山海经😅
@@JunoDiovonaDemihof煞笔说的你要不看看中国的山海经😅
@@JunoDiovonaDemihof Actually, there's a logical explanation: in the 18th Century the missionaries co-opted a semi-obsolete term for the highest god in ancient China "Shang Di" for the Christian god. Owing to this contrivance, obviously they are not the same despite bearing the same name and similar characteristics.
It’s possible Jinsha kingdom had a different belief system from Shang dynasty. And so unlike Shang dynasty they did not practise human sacrifice. Before the arrival of prophets and monotheistic religious gods kingdoms and cultures of diverse belief systems lived next to each other and had extensive contacts with one another. So it possible that Shang dynasty and Jinsha kingdom were two culture with extensive contacts but highly distinct cultures
According to the epic Book of Kings, Shah-Nameh * by Firdusi, 640 -1040 AD, religious human sacrification was Banned nearly 4500 B.C. worldwide by order of Key-Goshtaceb. But this Statue is the Statue of Key-Cyaavash, who was executed innocently by his uncle Afraasyab with his hands tied on his back! Then, it became a religion, and this Statue was their religious style!
lot of the artifacts look like Maya, Inca, Eskimo Inuit and other civiizations all over the world great article
i'm from India love to know about other culture and rich in history. lovely
Excellent video from an excellent channel!
I just realized that this is where one of my favorite authors got the name for one of the countries in her books, the country is called "Shu han" and this is very on brand for Leigh Bardugo
Wait, so they suddenly found dozens of elephant tusks while they were conveniently filming this show? Not only that, the dirt isn't compacted, but loosely tossed around them so it can be easily brushed away in front of all the guest in a short amount of time?? Not only that, but since they just discovered this huge discovery in the middle of the viewing area, it means they decided to build this entire building before they even completed the excavation of the site and would have damaged all of the other artifacts they didn't bother looking for??? Not only that, they just jam wooden pegs in dirt trying to force a very thin piece of gold foil out and then physically bending it, not at a table applying gentle pressure with gloves mind you, but in front of other cameras that are there for this big discovery????
Everyone needs to compare how they are treating these relics compared to every other modern excavation with trained personal, not ones trying to film a show piece and make money through exhibitions.
You realize everything was probably staged for the documentary right? You almost certainly aren't watching the original archeological dig.....
Lol did you really expect to see the original dig? Of course it is reenacted for the camera in good lighting, good weather with nice looking clean crew!
It´s all faked...
Oh the gullibility
It's a typically over-dramatised documentary made for U.S. audiences.
6:29 haha, You guys missed this gold egg. That pattern is extremely important to history in an extremely hidden way.
Explain
@@ohmynester heaven, earth, the soul.
🌕🔺🌞
@@ohmynester Daoist alchemy. The highest secret is hidden in that. What they call the magnum opus. Or atleast thats what jinnha says
@@ohmynester it goes deeper than that. The symbols have multiple layers of understanding
@@ohmynester all on one plate, means all as one. as Tao, or the idea of ☯. The deeper meaning is used to solve 🌕🔺🌞 which is used to get 🪙 from ⚫
At 6:30, the gold objects are representing the Celtic triskell. Amazing.
Did they show Viking Celt symbols (6:31 minutes)
I want to know how and why
Triskele isn't a Viking symbol. 🤣 It's purely celt.
The chinese just in last few years have made this site known yet it was discovered over 23 yrs ago.
Autocratic countries have many secrets, while democracies rarely have secrets.
@@brave-i9l Not true.. Squid game was real. And also democratic countries have these collective lies about communist countries. For example during Korean war if a communist soldier raped an old lady, he was shot dead immediately. If an American soldier raped a little kid? You already know the answer.
That’s not true. It’s been famous within China, it’s just the West has never interested to get to know about Chinese history. I’m from Chengdu so I can tell you that has been a greatly known
@@aureliadiwu_cotofan yet at the same time it was a mystery. Honestly, 5000 years old history is in fact just lost kingdoms.
Just as well it wasn't discovered 50 years ago or it would have been ignored or destroyed.
And Jinsha people also had an elaborate form military division, many kinds of weapons and possibly their own system of martial arts. Martial arts stems from beneficial exercises and observing nature so they might have had their own systems of exercise a rudimentary but similar system to Yoga or Ti Chi
I am Shu People . My ZUZU（my grandpa's mother）, several of my grandfathers, my uncles, and my brothers all look very similar to the Golden Mask. This documentary was probably filmed about ten years ago.
Fascinating documentary regarding ancient China❤.
Without science, reality can only be explained by imagination
Great documentary. The Shu were more sofisticated that the academics say.
I am a bit confusing.... is the video about archeology or about the woman and China? Why videos from zoo with pandas and old photos of the woman as a child?
É incrível como eles preservam os sítios arqueológicos, muito legal, que bom se fosse assim no Brasil 😮
Sanxingdui in ancient China that produced stunning bronzes, jades, and gold objects. Also part of the SHU dynasty, is mixed up in here by way of a mask with oval shaped eyes. Ivory? Africa?
India
@@dadlight3783my foot . Indo lol
you should look into doing a joint episode of the china history podcast by lazlo montgomery.
Appreciate your documentary as an archeologist, we need to know how was it so that may help humanity how to foresee for coming days, combination may keys to something that cannot explain in brief
All history matters, The Shou are a mixed bag. Nice video 🙂
The ‘music of the trees with the wind is like the sounds of the waves of the sea, that is like that with the tree I had in 1 of the houses I had lived, it was a beautiful sound, just like being near to the sea!
There''s a lot of very interesting archeology surfacing from China these days. It's cool.
these people might be one of the tribes of ancient Yue people. The Han chinese or chinese were not occupied that area
没错,在古代，越南占领了中国的南部。而韩国占领了中国的北部,14亿中国人在长江中游了5000年。😂😂😂
I have ancient Chinese, Turkish, Czech, Celt, W African, German, French, Italian & Coptic Egyptian Ancestors. I have a genetic link to 4 different variants of Viking. We know very little just yet. We are just getting started... humans are just babies. We think we know so much and yet we know so little.
I appreciate the creative thoughts of Professor Wang, but the kneeling figure with hands tied is a classic position for execution and is still the position of execution.
Jinsha到底是指代哪个Jin和哪个Sha在汉语中?😅
Where were the nearest elephants at that time?
You have a wonderful voice ,great narrator 👍
Really? Sounds like an American Soap Actor to me.
So much sensationalizing of human sacrifice, despite no evidence of it. This is so unnecessary.
As a historian,i would say this site of Jinsha could be considered as a colony like Hongkong thousands years ago. Its technology is much advanced than other of china at that time.
It’s a Quite simple and topical paradigm in history itself .nothing special.
The large shu bronze statue has the same v-neck shirt style as the urfa man near gobekli tepe
There was a WHOLE lot of conjecture going on here, the host made lots of statements that can not be proven - shoddy work.
Very interesting, just another site to visit when I finally do get to China and the world's oldest civilisation
China is not the oldest civilization.
@@margadebenport7352 2 of the oldest civilisation are the Chinese and Hindu, they were in buildings while the rest of the world was still in mud huts at the best
The doctor who music in the background is extra
The movie you are thinking of is called The Holiday and it’s a scene with jack black and Kate winslet when the are inside of a blockbuster type store.
Couldn't get the AI to generate the guys with the tusks on their shoulders lol 😂
Ave seen a peculiar Khmer bronze statue that bore facial features from the grotesque style of this culture - suggestive of some cultural exchange at 5he time.
Maybe my people the Mizo's from Mizoram ,North East India came from this place
The only thing i don like this documentary is that it is raletively new and it was recently made, but the cinematic filter made it dusty and painful to watch....the official jinsha and sanxingdui archeo documentary look much more eyefriendly to me
This most interesting
Not really all CCP lies
That gin thing haunted me my whole childhood 😢
I couldn't help but get the idea that this was the Chinese version of a BBC documentary. Like those BBC docs, there's a lot of focus on the presenter, not just the archaeological research.
Anyway, I was glad when there were some scenes of her in a red shirt. I was beginning to wonder if she actually wore exactly the same clothes every day LOL
Nevertheless, it made clear there's a real archaeological site of importance. It's always Interesting to me to hear something about the ancient history of China (before the Qin dynasty).
You know that Chinese civilization, old as it is, didn't just pop up out of nowhere. It's always fascinating to learn something about the precursors to what we now call "China".
China is a large country; I wonder how many more previously unknown ancient cities are waiting to be stumbled across.
i hate sensationalism masquerading as science. After 5 minutes, i just turned it off. so sad...
Absolutely!
I think it amazing finding a lost world but digging all those graves and leaving it exposed for all to see I find this spiritually hurtful for those who now can not rest in peace 🕊️
24:10 Why are trees found near water being worshipped? Hmmmmm🤔
... Maybe because wood floats? 🤔 and lives can be saved by using such a "miracle" in water?🤔
I did enjoy the adverts immensely
Too much sensationalism, and wasting of time about the narrator's childhood. Not a good documentary film.
It may take awhile to reconstruct their culture. But we can confirm the basics they had a political institutution, they had an authority figure, they believed in after life since they had burials. Whether they believed in gods or were nature worshippers or were atheistic is a matter of debate. The language they speak also matters. Has their been a discovery of inscriptions? What language did they speak? What is the genetic make up or genome of the bones and skeletons discovered?
How did they get the tusks? Were elephants native to China at that time? Or, it means that they knew of and traded with Africa? Great doco.
There are Asian and African elephants so perhaps they came from India?
Indeed ancient Chinese literature has much to say about the ancient Shu people, including how they were conquered by the Qin and culturally exterminated. Their civilization was indeed independent of Chinese civilization.
The gods walked on earth at that time! Humen took over the jobs the gods didnt want to do! They showed us! How to build! Math, writting, the weel, ect, we cared for them! Then when they left? We humens took over earth! After the flood! We relearned everything they showed us!
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6:29 thos are Celtic symbols That’s actually one of the most popular Celtic symbols interesting 🤔
Perhaps the statue of the men kneeling with their hands tied behind their backs has been misinterpreted. A servant of the kingdom or the king must be faithful and think first of his duties and not of his own personal greed. He kneels before a system of power and serves it without desiring the freedom to use it for his own interests. The sacrifice of the servant of the kingdom or the king in this case is symbolic and not real. Thus, the statue represents this symbolic sacrifice and fulfills the function of reminding the servant who he is, what he must do and what is expected of him.
History nerds unite! 🏛📚 Great content!
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ARCHEOLOGY HAS TO BE ONE OF OUR PLANET'S MOST IMPORTANT DOORS TO OUR HISTORY. PERHAPS ONE DAY WE'LL LEARN ALL OF THESE PAST SECRETS??
great to see a documentary that pays attention to the tones in the names, i always see documentaries that are made by not chinese and they mispronounce everything
I think these are mong or hmong people, the symbol look similar to the hmong today symbol. You can find that on the clothes. Our history, we used to live in that area. Its pass down that we used to live under a very big trees but its got burn down to the only the root. That is all i remember from the story from all the elders.
Chaina is very important for human evolution.
Time traveler needed
All The CIVILIZATION HAD GONE, ONLY THE SANTANA DARMA STILL STANDS, WATCHING FROM SURINAME
There must have been many named tribes who formed a congregation or confederacy at Jinsha. Because all these are totem symbols and an organised from of animism. And an organised form of animism or shamanism only arises when humans organise themselves into tribal groups. And large kingdom such Shang or Jinsha arise when multiple tribal group unit to form a single political unit
I would have liked to see the videos on china history.
Unfortunately, i can't clearly read the subtitles.
Please put a black background behind the white subtitles. Otherwise, I'm not going to strain my eyes trying to read.
Thanks
Yes the Chinese seem to make a habit of this white words on a white background
You can change the color of subtitles in CC area
@@OloRishaCreole504 that's for YT subtitles. I'm referring to the subtitles created in the program; it is different. Appreciate your advice though.
This thing’s difficult to watch. It as much about Agnes as it is about Jinsha.👎 I’m gonna watch the CCTV documentary instead.
Any resemblance to statues at Easter Islands which has its own fascinating story? Bottom line is the human communities leaving us with great artifacts and sophisticated achievements be it in graves or places of worship!
Seems she stayed at chengdu shangrila or sofitel
Why focus on the possibility that there was human sacrifice here? Seems unnecessarily sensationalized, considering that the narrator admits that there is no evidence to support this theory.