Love Mags’ “words” to Katniss. Basically saying: “oh, no, child. What I did wasn’t brave. It was the easiest decision I’ve ever made. What YOU did? THAT was brave.”
I'm so intrigued by Mags since her games happened the year after Lucy Gray won, I wish she could talk about the aftermath 😂 Did she know Coral? How did the games carry on with the previous year's winner gone?
Katniss picking Mags, Wiress, and Beetee always made sense to me since she was an underdog as well. She picked people that she trusted, despite their flaws or inability.
there’s a bit of irony with their characters. They’re the underdogs yet they were skilled enough to win the hunger games. I totally get in power scaling they’re physically weaker but I always found that assessment of them ironic since they are victors. This book and movie are quite splendid
Beetee is a good choice of ally though if you think about it. He obviously thinks outside the box and could rig tech in the arena as traps if needed. Haymitch was annoyed though because they needed to make it look like Katniss was desperate to side with physically stronger Tributes. Because they probably worried that Snow would suspect something if she didn't. Plus those tributes were already on her side.
More importantly, the reason she was able to survive the first Hunger Games wasn't because of her brute strength like the others. She survived because the allies she had made up for the skills she didn't. She's doing it again by picking the nerds (who can notice things about the technology she can't having grown up in low-tech District 12) and the woman who knew how to survive in another environment (fishhooks).
Katniss is smart. She needs every variable she can get, because the games always changes. And I also think, as much as she humble brags, she knows she is strong, so she went for the people who has 'interesting' skill set.
I mean I don't think any of the tributes wanted to be in these games, even the Careers. They survived the massacre ONCE and were promised a properous life. Now they are forced in the game again. Even the tributes from 1 and 2 were not "evil", they were just as pissed as any of the tributes were but the Careers get this "distrusting" color, for no reason. I mean why not stick with them rather than trusting underdogs?
Yes that is what I thought also, since it is obvious that they will show courtesy and mercy to one another. Whereas on the other hand, it’s more advantageous to make allies with tributes who are hesitant, but ultimately likeminded.
Yep they were already working for district 13. But it is fitting that she choose them as well. Perhaps she choose them because of their sincerity but yet they are vital for the upcoming war against Snow. She doesn’t need powerful skillful warriors on her side but someone she can trust and someone who isn’t a jerk. She doesn’t see the full picture but she makes the right choices nonetheless.
To be fair if you are already a competent fighter, you would trust the 'smarter' and 'resourceful' tributes to help you out because those are areas that Katniss needs more time to work on@@alpborakirte801
Yeah I think Haymitch wanted Katniss and Peeta to be buddies with like Brutus or the siblings from District 1 but that was never going to happen anyway
The force field is kind of a metaphor for Katniss’s effect on the Capitol. They put the force field up in response to Katniss shooting an arrow at them last year, but in the process drained resources from everything else that needed power. Similarly, the Capitol focused too much attention on neutralizing the way Katniss inspired the districts to rebel, and left cracks for the other victors to exploit.
@@alonsodagamer3048 hidden messages they were able to send, the tools they needed to break out being included in the cornucopia, etc. Snow was so focused on making sure Katniss played her role as the ditsy lover he missed the fact that they were breaking her out
Katniss: I am ruthless and only care for things that are of use to me Katniss: I want the old lady and the nerds Haymich and Peeta, carefully: are you sure-? Katniss: *The Old Lady and The Nerds*
I love the way he lookes at her when he said "there is always a flaw in the system" bc katniss became the flaw of the hunger games. Instead creating fear, she became the hope.
@@ThatWouldBeCareless omg did you even read mockingjay? beetee doesn't give a fuck about hope and shit. he is just part of the group working to replace snow for coin
I find it symbolic that when Beete says "friction creates fire" Katniss shows up. Whose whole purpose as the mocking jay was to create friction and be on fire.
I also like to think that "a little brute force...is always helpful" is a sign that Wiress and Beete felt that having an ally with fighting skills on their side would be key in the Games. Their pointing out the force field was a returned favor for her help with survival skills.
@@ganthcI also just spotted that when Plutarch sees them looking up, he moves over to where Katniss could see the forcefield - maybe a clue that he's on her side?
It makes you realize that the fact that Katniss loved Rue and showed care and attention to a member of another District then reverence when she died is the root of the entire revolution. The games were designed to not only elevate the Capitol as superior but pit the Districts against each other by making members of those Districts fight amongst themselves. By caring for Rue, Katniss showed the other Districts that the tributes really hated fighting one another and could be unified in spirit. Katniss may be the girl on fire that starts the revolution but Rue is the spark that ignites her flame.
It’s a very smart decision,Katniss has speed and survival skills and Peeta has strength and the ability to make the capital love his every word.With people as smart as beetee and wiress, They would have made an incredible team.
If you didn’t notice, the targets she shot mimicked the skills the others were practicing (javelin, throwing knives, heavy weapons, etc.) That was the moment they realised in a fair fight, she could kill all of them at once with out breaking a sweat.
I absolutely love what she does during her assessment. She doesn’t have to say a word, doesn’t even have to shoot a single arrow. But her actions clearly say “Remember what happened to the last Gamemaker who crossed me.”
Hm, no, it was to show them that they were at Snow 's mercy, just like Seneca Crane, the victors, the tributes and the districts. To show them that their sense of security was false and that their crimes would be punished someday.
In the books, Katniss didn't actually get to see Peeta's painting. They had the floor cleaned and bleached before she entered. I'm so glad they kept it in the movie!
@@notdrhm9875 she knew he painted something they didn't want to see, since they cleaned it so thoroughly. She asked him later when with Haymitch and Effie and Peeta told them he painted Rue the way she looked when Katniss 'buried' her. The main reason for her stunt here was to one-up Peeta in being disturbing and rebellious and bring their attention from him back to her, as she was determined by then that _he_ should be the one to survive the games.
@@Danka42 i was currently re-reading the catching fire and i just read this scene and its such a shame they cleaned it when it took him 40 minutes and katniss should've seen it
Oh I had completely forgotten about that by the time I saw the film. I always assumed that the judges forced Peeta to paint Rue like that in order to rattle and re-traumatize Katniss- either just to punish her, or to maybe throw her off her game during the assessment, thereby giving her a lower score and less chance of outside help.
When adapting book to screen, “show don’t tell” is the best policy. That moment would not have packed as much punch as it did if they’d only described it second-hand in the movie.
They changed it. In the original book, when katniss wasn’t connecting with anyone, she went to the archery area. Started practicing, the trainer saw she needed a challenge, so they started throwing up fake birds; not one single target was missed. After she hit 3 in one shot, more than half the tributes were in awe & jealousy.
Beetee was hinting at the rebellion with his analogy of the forcefield The capitol and Snow were so fixated on Katniss (the forcefield) that they failed to notice Plutarch and the tributes scheming in the background (the lights flickering) Theres always a flaw in the system
The fact that Plutarch so cleverly did it. There are other things he did in the books that weren't shown in the films. Gave them the tools and everything they needed right under Snow's nose. LOL. The tributes that were part of the rebellion job to act like their playing their part in the games but make sure at all cost Katniss and Peeta survived. Until they escaped. And since the books are Katniss P.O.V. You don't know about ANY of this. As Katniss isn't aware of it. So you don't fully trust other tributes either like her until you learn about it through her. Like she has no trust in Johanna at all. Though the way she acts...you can't blame Katniss. Effie gave Finnick a gold piece to wear to show Katniss....'you can trust me. As he is an ally.' Basically because she wouldn't have trust him otherwise....and in the books District 4 is a Career District. Makes harder too. The first start is Finnick saving Peeta.... As without Peeta...Katniss wouldn't be part of the rebellion.
I think it has a double meaning. The first, the flaw in the forcefield is that it drains power from the lights. The second, Katniss (the mockingjay) has the entire capitol watching her every move, and they fail to spot the other victor’s actively conspiring against them.
Mags was the kindest person Katniss ever befriended I love how Katniss likes how she volunteered for a young girl because it reminds her of her with Prim when she volunteered and Mag admires that also Mags didn’t deserve to die she was one of the good ones ❤️
I think Mags won the 11th Hunger Games, just after Lucy Gray Baird's 10th Games, and was among the first televized Hunger Games and a popular victor. Don't let the kind appearance fool you, she had to be a young ruthless survivalist to win her Games and was probably among the first Career tributes. She also mentored Finnick Odair and other winners of District 4, a Career district and the district with the most victors after District 1 and 2. However, she was not a sociopath and got attached to Finnick and victor Annie Cresta like a mother. That's why she volunteered for Annie who became mentally unbalanced after her Games. Finnick also loved her like a mother figure and did his best to protect her in the Second Quater Quell. Mags is in her 80s, using a cane to walk and her speech is difficult after a stroke and she still survives more than half the victors in the Quell !
@@CS-bu7loso did everyone else that won. This is a horrible perspective of the winners. Just because she won doesn’t make her ruthless or even a survivalist, it is stated in the books that people have won the games by simply hiding and moving passively, waiting for other tributes to die. Remember that every tribute who’s won was a child, and the vast majority of them never wanted to be in the games at all. It’s pretty weird to frame mags or anyone else as some sort of insane murderer when all of them are just trying to survive
@@fart63 It's also worth remembering that Career districts weren't always Career districts. That definitely took some time, and Mags very likely might have not been trained the same way Finnick was 50+ years later.
@@CS-bu7lo The Careers are no more guilty of their killings than a trained pit dog is for theirs. They are made dangerous by a disgusting society and would not have been that way in another life.
I love that moment at the end of Katniss' archery training where Wiress is applauding so eagerly to the point half the other Tributes slowly turn to look at her wondering what in gods name she's doing (Mags included). Both wholesome and oddly really funny to me.
Beetee's actor is awesome. His voice projects the cool confidence he has in his intellect. He knows there is always a flaw in the system, having designed many of the systems himself (any engineers or developers reading this know the importance of having redundancies). Obviously he's talking metaphorically as well, about Kat.
One thing I loved about this scene was you could see how districts 3-12 had the most value. The careers knew how to kill in the hunger games but it’s all the other districts which knew how to survive!
12's actually were arguably FUCKED over. because any lifeskill job was AFTER turning 18. Students had to be in classes. So none of the 12ers actually had proper educations in anything usually. Unless they were criminal. Even then. 7's were used to swinging axes. 4 used to nets and fishermen tools like Tridents. 3's used to electronics. Almost like Snow had a grudge against 12s
I just realized this scene was the tributes who were part of the rebel victors auditioning Katniss to see if she was smart and strong enough to be worth their sacrifice. They wanted to see if she was able to understand the weaknesses in their prison and had the actual skills to have a chance at survival. That was why wiress and bettee were happy not stunned and why Mags was proud because Katiness while coarse had the gentleness, and ability to see them as useful and not just find them weak, empathy, quick thinking, and survival instincts that their faction needed.
Last game: “Don’t train archery or you’ll reveal your tricks.” I half expected the same thing here just to wonder “They’re past champions. Wouldn’t they already know?” I’m glad the logic is consistent in this movie from my memory. I half expect inconsistencies lately.
I think the difference here is that during last games Katniss didn’t really show her skills with bow, so no one knew about how good she was, in her first games she mainly hid and set traps, and killed some animals but the other champions wouldn’t have had cared to see her since she was just poor hungry girl from district 12.
@@FatalFramer13also it’s one thing to know about her skill, and another to see it with your own eyes. Being an expert with a bow doesn’t mean you can defeat multiple attackers in combat. She can.
I love the detail at 0:58 where you can see the lights flicker while Katniss is walking towards Beetee and Wiress before they even mention the forcefield causing the lights to flicker
I wish they included more screen time of Cecelia from 8. In the books, Katniss wanted to make an alliance with her because of the fact she was a mother.
To anyone wondering why Wiress seems a bit weird. If I remember correctly she got it at her games. At the last 2 tributes alive at her time. She battled against a strong opponent but she won using electricity + force field. But she was hit by a weapon and was electrocuted (i think both in the head). Wiress (the winner) was taken out from the arena unconcious. She was resuscitated and it was showing she was damaged mentally. Before these happened, Wiress was actually VERY smart, quick thinker, and a sneaky tribute. I think her having damaged mentally is enough for the capitol to not give her punishments for using the force field to win (Unlike Haymitch's, his family was killed). (Feel free to correct me 😊)
@@amourdevie1 Yeah. Haymitch used the force field to win (when Haymitch and one of his district partner parted ways, he discovered the force field, and also anything thrown at it would bounce back). At the final battle, Haymitch was trying his best to make his opponent throw the axe. Any win using the force field is considered as an insult by the capital. Having no loved ones, that's one of the reasons Haymitch is ALCOHOLIC. Another reason is that every year after the 2nd Quarter Quell, he has to coach 2 tributes every year (51-73), totaling 46 tributes died in his guidance. The 74th hunger games gives Haymitch a little hope because of Katniss and Peeta that is why you can actually see in the movie that Haymitch is becoming less alcoholic. I hope they make Haymitch games a movie as well. It would be interesting since it's the 2nd Quarter Quell.
I think this was actually a fan theory. The way Wiress won her games isn’t specified anywhere. Unfortunately for a Wiress stan like me. But this sounds like Christian Bianco, the TH-camr who makes headcanon Arena videos, who came up with this theory. But really, I don’t think she has brain damage. That usually affects intelligence and other aspects. And Wiress is clearly still highly intelligent. And in the books Betee refers to her as such and even “intuitive”, that she can sense things before anyone else. I think that Wiress is just a little quirky, or eccentric. Perhaps she’s even portrays high functioning Autism. At least, that what it seems to me. Plus the added trauma and PTSD from her past Games and the QQ, could exacerbate it.
MAGS. The definition of an angel. The scene when she dies is just too much... i think she knew if anyone was going to sacrifice themself it should be her.
@aliharris9032 The Prequel retroactively made Mags into the first "real Victor", as in the first winner of the Hunger Games become part of the social class Snow created for them in his innovations to the Games. Fittingly, she is present on the last Hunger Games. The era that began with her victory dies with her.
@@rune.theocracyIt's also a hint to the non-book reading audience that Beetee is part of whatever plan is going on. There's more to these Games than it seems.
Being the new Gamemaster adds a wonderful sense of self-aware irony. Plutarch risked his life to rig the games to fuel the rebellion and Crane died accidentally starting it
I wonder what Mags and Finnick were talking about while waiting for the individual assessment 😅, they just seem to be having such an intense convo while everyone else is silently waiting
It Was Actually Very Smart To Make Friends With Mags, She was one of the weaker tributes but she was also much more approachable then Finnick and Allying with Mags means they also get a free pass to Finnick, arguably the strongest tribute
Yeah that’s all fair and good but the reason why it wasn’t smart was because that’s not what Katniss was doing. Katniss didn’t want free access to finnick, she wanted mags as her ally without finnick. She despises him and wants nothing to do with him nor be his ally in any case. So that’s why she wasn’t smart
Also notice how in the bloodbath Mags comes out untouched. Ain’t no fucking way she could have fought her way out, the others, even the careers, *deliberately left her alone.* She heard even the antisocial, perpetually cranky Haymotch praise her and immediately realizes no one was actually going to want to hurt her until they had to.
@@flowerfaerie8931 it’s more likely that mags came out untouched because she’s from district 4 so is a good swimmer despite being old. Mags and Finnick are the best swimmers there are and most of the others can’t really swim or not as well as them
I admire that Katniss always valued intelligence and creative thinking over sheer physical strength. I totally agreed with her choices and I really don't think Peeta gave her enough credit. She's the reason they both survived the 74th hunger games, she knew what she was doing.
True that. She also noted how the careers, while tactically smart, had very poor survival skills and didn’t know how to fend for themselves in the arena
I think Mags can hunt, at least in her younger years. But its ofcourse harder in the age of 80. She did won the 11th game after all. But she is so nice that she let Katniss show her anyway. … and I guess a forcefield goes both ways so they cant stop Peeta and Katniss even then they understands that they are doing.
I love how on this scene it shows how she has an advantage on the rest of the tributes in the combat aspect which are: Distance and fast reflexes. With the beginning showing the other tributes practicing in close combat or a skill in which she effortlessly dodges and eliminates in the practice range, like the spear throwing. It levels the field against aggressive competitors since she has a weapon that shoots far and with good accuracy. Obviously I’m not saying she can win against most of them, but her chances really increase when she has a bow. Hence why some of them want her on their team OR feel threatened by her.
Having 10 minutes to present their chosen skill with 24 tributes means 240 minutes or 4 hours. she was sitting there for 4 hours waiting until she could present her “skill”
Plus the movies don’t say, but Peeta spent over 40 minutes showing his skill since he refused to leave and painted that picture of Rue. So Katniss was waiting alone confused for that amount of time and then walked in and saw the gamemakers looked angry
And was probably why Mags proudly joined the rebellion by volunteering to go to the games. Katniss reminded her of that singing songbird all those years ago from District 12 that Snow desperately wanted everyone to forget about
@@oncerand_directioner or..or...or... its because Mags is a slave like literally any other district 4 citizen and she was made to murder innocent children to survive in a game put on by a government run by tyrannical madmen.
@@oncerand_directioner She volunteered because annie had been called and annie was finnicks love of his life and she had raised Finnick. Also annie had severe ptsd from her time in the hunger games. Also remember only one comes out alive. If she is routing for finnick to win she would want annie to be alive for that win.
Mags was the Victor of the 11th Hunger Games. The Prequel retroactively made Mags into the first "Real Victor" of the Hunger Games (the first to receive a reward and the first to go on a Victory Tour). The first of the social class Snow created in his innovations to the Games. In a bookend, Mags is present in the last Hunger Games. The era that began with her victory dies alongside her.
The dead silence other than the stretching rope as a dummy portraying Crane hangs had no reason to be as spine chilling as it is. For some reason, I absolutely love that Beedee lifts his glasses because he's far-sighted.
In retrospect, it makes Plutarch's smile a bit less sinister though, because you know he's thinking "that's our girl" even though she doesn't know he's on her side yet.
I have to keep on reminding myself that Katniss is an emotional teenager, and that's why they can barely trust her with any real knowledge that would have helped her in the games in regards to allies.
Beetee is possibly the best tribute. He is very smart, and also very approachable and seems easy to get along with. That right there is something that I look for in friends. + he won his games by making an electric trap, and he is a key part of the Rebellions success as he talks with Haymitch and Peeta about planning. Beetee also seems like a decent guy who really doesn’t want to hurt more people (except the Capital).
Thoughtful, observant, smart and kind. These are the people you want around you. Katniss had great instincts. Fiction, of course, but the lesson is 100% real.
The fact that if Haymich had made it public to the tributes that Katniss wanted Mags then Katniss would've AUTOMATICALLY had Finnick in her corner anyway
But Katniss didn’t want finnick, that’s the issue. She would’ve disagreed because she didn’t want finnick as an ally with mags, she didn’t want him near him. That’s why they rolled their eyes
I love how Joannah and the big dude from 1 or 2 are just looking at her like "who the fuck is this girl from 12 and where the FUCK did she get those skills?" 😂😂😂
I don't think that was it. Looked more like they were appraising her. She might be the new kid on the block but they already know how well she did in the last game
Is really interesting to see how the games technology evolved from the 10th games until the 75th. From being put inside cages, with no food nor beds an only a vetenarian to help the injured. Having to perform tricks for the public to give you some food. (The audience that wasn't Sejanus that is). Some of them even starting the games with some disease. And then there's this healthy tributes that sleep in hotel suites, have a preparation team, go to feasts and are given enhanced weapons and gear so they can give a good performance for the whole country to see. Makes me wonder what would have happened with Coryo if Crassus and Casca Highbottom didn't invented the games. But then again id that had been the case we wouldn't have the books.
I love all of the reactions at 4:05 katniss - still got it i guess...oh there's more of you now... Mags, Finnik, district 2 Female, and Beede - in awe or looking proud, "theres the Mockingjay..." Nuts - *ENTHUSIASTIC CLAPPING NOISES* (seriously its like a little league game i love it) districts 1, district 2 male, the morflings, district 7, and Joanna - "oh shit...she could kill all of us easy"
I always found the scene of Katniss hanging the dummy of Seneca Crane not to mean that she is the reason he’s dead because he crossed her, it’s more along the lines of “nobody is safe under the rule of President Snow, not even you. You’re just late to seeing it.” Because Seneca Crane was Head Gamemaker, one of the highest positions in the capital, a position of prestige and power, and if he could very well be murdered for making a mistake, then his being of a Capital Citizen made no difference. He still died in the same way many people in the districts have died since the beginning. Theyre all the same in death, and under Snow, they’ll all die to him eventually, no matter who you are or what your social status is. Plutarch was the one who told her of Seneca Crane’s demise and in a subtle way made his allegiance known. And him watching her do this probably solidified that she was the perfect person to be the Mockingjay. (I might not be remembering correctly but the Head Gamemaker is usually different each year or changed after they mess up, but their fates aren’t public knowledge so Katniss putting it in their faces that she knows what happened to him startled the other gamemakers because nobody should know about it.)
@@cloudly7545 true, I just found it funny there didn’t seem to be any effort in teaching, like how you hold a bow, how to aim, etc. of course she’s probably too old to even try, but seeing katniss just go straight to showing off was unintentionally hilarious
In the book the scene is so more satisfying, like Katnis just goes to the trap/survival teacher (bc yeah, there are teacher for each position) who is glad to see she still remember what he taught to her. Then she met the ninfos who are drawing with colours, and betee and (don't remember the name) are more crazy, more out, oh, as well as meeting Mags. The scene with Haymitch is exactly the same, but there's a lack of vitality, of feeling. The whole piece is the book is more ironic, vibrant, here (as well in the rest of the movie) everything looks so dull
To be fair, the book allowed the readers imagination to bring that imagery together, which is where the fun in reading comes in. This scene being dull, however, would fit with a group of tributes being forced back into a death pit while being judged. I'd be dull if I knew I had to do this again after barely surviving my last one. In a literature perspective, I agree with you that the movie didn't make the scenes as satisfying as the book interpreted. In a movie perspective, it's much harder to give that same purpose to the viewer when some of them probably hadn't read the book (or used the book as a reference).
The other District 3 Victor Tribute with Beetee is named Wiress. Just remember her name has wire and District 3 is electricity I believe? Something close to that
Man the Career siblings I would hate to think what happened *if* they were the last few left cause they would be forced to take the other out. Unfortunately they died during the games.
1:38 , 1:46 I think Plutarch was purposefully pointing out the force field to Beetee , Now that we know They were in the plan since the beginning. Little Breadcrumbs.. It was such a subtle an thoughtful detail
"When being chased by a wild animal, you don't have to outrun the animal, you just have to outrun your slowest companion." Katniss at this point has absolutely defined herself as the person who will never, ever leave anyone behind. And she chose the slowest, weakest person in the group to be a companion. This puts her at (extra) risk, and by extension risks her entire team. The bonus pointy stick that is Finnick doesn't outweigh the reduced odds of survival in this scenario. And that's what everyone aside from Katniss is focusing on: surviving an arena full of experienced and (sometimes literally) bloodthirsty killers.
@@SystemofEleven Mags might also be one of the smartest and most practically savvy people in the room. Haymitch mentioned that the top causes of death are dehydration, hunger, infection, and other ailments. And how did she win her own games at age 16? Through sheer survival skills. With others, it's about running from the animals. WIth Mags, it's about not letting the animals know you are there at all. I think Katniss saw qualities and factors in Mags that influences their chances of survival in ways that balances out her frailty. Lastly, if Katniss brings Mags into the group, she creates a solidarity among her allies that otherwise would not exist. A group of "strong" people might throw each other under the bus under extreme duress, even if they are good, loyal people in normal circumstances. But if they are ALL invested in protecting Mags, if unifies them in ways their enemies cannot replicate, and that makes them strong. Its why Katniss's posse wins out: Katniss picks the knowledgeable, savvy team players and gives them something precious to rally around. Her adversaries picked solo predators out for individual survival.
@@joejoejoe532 It was more Mags because of her age. But they didn't think of the fact that Finnick would come with this. Or they knew Finnick would ally with Katniss. Hence giving him the gold bracelet to let her know their allies.
Katniss didn’t want mags to come with finnick though, she didn’t want finnick at all she only wanted mags. Despite her being a great person her alone is too old to help keep her alive
@@clover2739 That's because she didn't trust Finnick like most of the others. As we know. Especially when the books are in Katniss P.O.V. No one trusted Johanna for example because Katniss didn't trust her...but because if you read the books already...we know what happens.
Just finished watching the Ballad of the Songbirds and Snakes and I just think about mags. She looks older than Snow…can’t imagine living through all the hunger games, winning one then coming back to hell. Her death always made me cry
Some people said Peeta was a jerk for reacting to Mags’ name like this (especially considering she eventually sacrifices herself to save them, particularly him), but I think in the movie’s context Peeta’s reaction at this point in time makes perfect sense. When Haymitch was giving them an overview of the other victors, they identified Mags as Finnick’s weakness and agreed that if he tried to protect her, he would be exposed. Now Katniss wanted to put herself in that situation. Peeta knew very well that Katniss would never want to leave Mags in harm’s way and save herself if it came down to that, and since his priority is to save Katniss, this makes his job harder. So of course he was frustrated.
I liked the movie version of her seeing Rue’s memorial. Jennifer Lawrence face would unnerve me if she gave me that look after. They needed that forcefield because she has murdeous intentions.
I observe that Katniss only trusted Finnick and Johanna when the former saved Peeta and the latter saved Wiress and Beetee, the very people that Katniss placed her trust into prior to the Games.
Yeah the only reason Johanna saved Wiress and beetee was because Haymitch told her it was the only way to get her trust and get Katniss to ally with her. He obviously gave finnick the bracelet but like you said, she didn’t fully trust him until he saved peeta
This book really shaped how I eventually became--I look out for the underdogs. Or maybe I was always like that but my values got validated by this. I can't believe it's been more than a decade since I've read this.
Love Mags’ “words” to Katniss. Basically saying: “oh, no, child. What I did wasn’t brave. It was the easiest decision I’ve ever made. What YOU did? THAT was brave.”
So true ❤. I love mags
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old lady thought: my life is about to end anyways.. the youngsters life not.
thats why
I'm so intrigued by Mags since her games happened the year after Lucy Gray won, I wish she could talk about the aftermath 😂 Did she know Coral? How did the games carry on with the previous year's winner gone?
Went from Songbird singing victor to silence & probably very cute.
Katniss picking Mags, Wiress, and Beetee always made sense to me since she was an underdog as well.
She picked people that she trusted, despite their flaws or inability.
there’s a bit of irony with their characters. They’re the underdogs yet they were skilled enough to win the hunger games. I totally get in power scaling they’re physically weaker but I always found that assessment of them ironic since they are victors. This book and movie are quite splendid
Beetee is a good choice of ally though if you think about it. He obviously thinks outside the box and could rig tech in the arena as traps if needed. Haymitch was annoyed though because they needed to make it look like Katniss was desperate to side with physically stronger Tributes. Because they probably worried that Snow would suspect something if she didn't. Plus those tributes were already on her side.
More importantly, the reason she was able to survive the first Hunger Games wasn't because of her brute strength like the others. She survived because the allies she had made up for the skills she didn't. She's doing it again by picking the nerds (who can notice things about the technology she can't having grown up in low-tech District 12) and the woman who knew how to survive in another environment (fishhooks).
Katniss is smart.
She needs every variable she can get, because the games always changes.
And I also think, as much as she humble brags, she knows she is strong, so she went for the people who has 'interesting' skill set.
I mean I don't think any of the tributes wanted to be in these games, even the Careers. They survived the massacre ONCE and were promised a properous life. Now they are forced in the game again. Even the tributes from 1 and 2 were not "evil", they were just as pissed as any of the tributes were but the Careers get this "distrusting" color, for no reason. I mean why not stick with them rather than trusting underdogs?
Haymitch scolds Katniss not because she allied with the weakest, he scolds her because they're already Katniss' allies.
Yes that is what I thought also, since it is obvious that they will show courtesy and mercy to one another. Whereas on the other hand, it’s more advantageous to make allies with tributes who are hesitant, but ultimately likeminded.
Yep they were already working for district 13. But it is fitting that she choose them as well. Perhaps she choose them because of their sincerity but yet they are vital for the upcoming war against Snow. She doesn’t need powerful skillful warriors on her side but someone she can trust and someone who isn’t a jerk. She doesn’t see the full picture but she makes the right choices nonetheless.
To be fair if you are already a competent fighter, you would trust the 'smarter' and 'resourceful' tributes to help you out because those are areas that Katniss needs more time to work on@@alpborakirte801
That's a nice point you made lol, never really thought about it before
Yeah I think Haymitch wanted Katniss and Peeta to be buddies with like Brutus or the siblings from District 1 but that was never going to happen anyway
The force field is kind of a metaphor for Katniss’s effect on the Capitol. They put the force field up in response to Katniss shooting an arrow at them last year, but in the process drained resources from everything else that needed power. Similarly, the Capitol focused too much attention on neutralizing the way Katniss inspired the districts to rebel, and left cracks for the other victors to exploit.
ace
That's exactly what I tought
And what were those remaining cracks?
@@alonsodagamer3048 hidden messages they were able to send, the tools they needed to break out being included in the cornucopia, etc. Snow was so focused on making sure Katniss played her role as the ditsy lover he missed the fact that they were breaking her out
Good analysis
Katniss: I am ruthless and only care for things that are of use to me
Katniss: I want the old lady and the nerds
Haymich and Peeta, carefully: are you sure-?
Katniss: *The Old Lady and The Nerds*
😂
this is golden
The old lady and the nerds did keep her alive!
I love the way he lookes at her when he said "there is always a flaw in the system" bc katniss became the flaw of the hunger games. Instead creating fear, she became the hope.
Nice
and the way he looks at her, showing how when he says it, he’s really talking about her. he’s on of the tributes in on the plan
lol not at all. he looks at her because he knows about the escape plan and how she fits in it. nothing about hope and shit lol
@@FranDeSotothe whole reason she's worth extracting is because of the hope and shit. The only thing stronger than fear is hope? That whole thing?
@@ThatWouldBeCareless omg did you even read mockingjay? beetee doesn't give a fuck about hope and shit. he is just part of the group working to replace snow for coin
I find it symbolic that when Beete says "friction creates fire" Katniss shows up. Whose whole purpose as the mocking jay was to create friction and be on fire.
I also like to think that "a little brute force...is always helpful" is a sign that Wiress and Beete felt that having an ally with fighting skills on their side would be key in the Games. Their pointing out the force field was a returned favor for her help with survival skills.
yes i like how she wrote seneca crane on the mannequin. it shows that the mannequin is supposed to be seneca crane. wow.
@@ganthcI also just spotted that when Plutarch sees them looking up, he moves over to where Katniss could see the forcefield - maybe a clue that he's on her side?
@@MrKyuuren yes, probably
And finally “there’s always a flaw in the system” and the glare he gives Katniss
Peeta drawing Rue's final resting form and Katniss' observation of it never fails to make me tear up
To think, in the book, that was covered up when Katniss walked in
In the book they were covering it up but she still saw it
It makes you realize that the fact that Katniss loved Rue and showed care and attention to a member of another District then reverence when she died is the root of the entire revolution. The games were designed to not only elevate the Capitol as superior but pit the Districts against each other by making members of those Districts fight amongst themselves. By caring for Rue, Katniss showed the other Districts that the tributes really hated fighting one another and could be unified in spirit. Katniss may be the girl on fire that starts the revolution but Rue is the spark that ignites her flame.
Why did Peeta draw rue?
peeta draws that... in 10 minutes!
I love that Katniss went for the smartest people, not the strongest.
Underrated but clever choice for survival skills
It’s a very smart decision,Katniss has speed and survival skills and Peeta has strength and the ability to make the capital love his every word.With people as smart as beetee and wiress, They would have made an incredible team.
@@Geetaks and Mags had experience and wisdom.
If you didn’t notice, the targets she shot mimicked the skills the others were practicing (javelin, throwing knives, heavy weapons, etc.)
That was the moment they realised in a fair fight, she could kill all of them at once with out breaking a sweat.
Oh, this is a BRILLIANT observation! 🤯
@@SeanMcGuire92 sarcasm? Not an accusation, just a question. this is the internet.
@@TheDisplacerBeast Ah, sorry! Nope, you genuinely blew my mind, I never connected those dots before and now it feels like I missed something obvious.
@@SeanMcGuire92 dont apologise! And thank you for clarifying, glad i could bring something new to this scene for you :)
That is the advantage a long distance fighter has. That said, real targets would probably dodge.
I absolutely love what she does during her assessment. She doesn’t have to say a word, doesn’t even have to shoot a single arrow. But her actions clearly say “Remember what happened to the last Gamemaker who crossed me.”
W still wet eyes fucking goosebumps
More like, "I know what you guys did to the last gamemaker, you'd better watch your ass bcoz i'm coming for you"
Hm, no, it was to show them that they were at Snow 's mercy, just like Seneca Crane, the victors, the tributes and the districts. To show them that their sense of security was false and that their crimes would be punished someday.
Also to remind them that they aren't safe from Snow just because they're gamemakers
But... Seneca didn't cross her..
In the books, Katniss didn't actually get to see Peeta's painting. They had the floor cleaned and bleached before she entered.
I'm so glad they kept it in the movie!
then how did she knew? i mean the books from her vision right
@@notdrhm9875 she knew he painted something they didn't want to see, since they cleaned it so thoroughly. She asked him later when with Haymitch and Effie and Peeta told them he painted Rue the way she looked when Katniss 'buried' her.
The main reason for her stunt here was to one-up Peeta in being disturbing and rebellious and bring their attention from him back to her, as she was determined by then that _he_ should be the one to survive the games.
@@Danka42 i was currently re-reading the catching fire and i just read this scene and its such a shame they cleaned it when it took him 40 minutes and katniss should've seen it
Oh I had completely forgotten about that by the time I saw the film. I always assumed that the judges forced Peeta to paint Rue like that in order to rattle and re-traumatize Katniss- either just to punish her, or to maybe throw her off her game during the assessment, thereby giving her a lower score and less chance of outside help.
When adapting book to screen, “show don’t tell” is the best policy. That moment would not have packed as much punch as it did if they’d only described it second-hand in the movie.
That katniss scene with her practicing her archery is so satisfying
@@jimmalis5386First of, its a movie. Secondly if you wanna get like that, it was holograms...no murder in this scene lol
@@jimmalis5386I’m pretty sure they are just implying that it was a satisfyingly well-scripted and well-executed action scene.
They changed it. In the original book, when katniss wasn’t connecting with anyone, she went to the archery area. Started practicing, the trainer saw she needed a challenge, so they started throwing up fake birds; not one single target was missed. After she hit 3 in one shot, more than half the tributes were in awe & jealousy.
Yes! Afterward, everyone is just basically staring in awe
@@jimmalis5386geez, it’s a movie. Who hurt you?
like how her chosen skill is that she has essentially killed a gamemaster
Exactly...what I was about to comment....her chosen skill is that she is the killer of gamemasters
not what she was trying to say.
@@rubyangel2900 no she did't.
I always thought she was reminding them of their cruelty in killing him, but this too, I hadn’t thought of it like that.
@@ryancialone3045what was she trying to say than bro?
Katniss’s “chosen skill” being pissing everyone the fuck off will never not be funny to me
Beetee was hinting at the rebellion with his analogy of the forcefield
The capitol and Snow were so fixated on Katniss (the forcefield) that they failed to notice Plutarch and the tributes scheming in the background (the lights flickering)
Theres always a flaw in the system
nice spot
The fact that Plutarch so cleverly did it. There are other things he did in the books that weren't shown in the films. Gave them the tools and everything they needed right under Snow's nose. LOL. The tributes that were part of the rebellion job to act like their playing their part in the games but make sure at all cost Katniss and Peeta survived. Until they escaped.
And since the books are Katniss P.O.V. You don't know about ANY of this. As Katniss isn't aware of it. So you don't fully trust other tributes either like her until you learn about it through her. Like she has no trust in Johanna at all. Though the way she acts...you can't blame Katniss. Effie gave Finnick a gold piece to wear to show Katniss....'you can trust me. As he is an ally.' Basically because she wouldn't have trust him otherwise....and in the books District 4 is a Career District. Makes harder too. The first start is Finnick saving Peeta....
As without Peeta...Katniss wouldn't be part of the rebellion.
2:19 I love the look he gives Katniss as he says 'there's always a flaw in the system', love even more how he keeps watching as she looks away
I think it has a double meaning. The first, the flaw in the forcefield is that it drains power from the lights. The second, Katniss (the mockingjay) has the entire capitol watching her every move, and they fail to spot the other victor’s actively conspiring against them.
2:28 I always loved this first exchange. I like to think Mags said, "I'm not brave. YOU are brave."
It's very touching how Mags can communicate without words. She just radiates warmth.
@@nolamedgirl yes, she's so cute
Mags was the kindest person Katniss ever befriended I love how Katniss likes how she volunteered for a young girl because it reminds her of her with Prim when she volunteered and Mag admires that also Mags didn’t deserve to die she was one of the good ones ❤️
I think Mags won the 11th Hunger Games, just after Lucy Gray Baird's 10th Games, and was among the first televized Hunger Games and a popular victor. Don't let the kind appearance fool you, she had to be a young ruthless survivalist to win her Games and was probably among the first Career tributes. She also mentored Finnick Odair and other winners of District 4, a Career district and the district with the most victors after District 1 and 2. However, she was not a sociopath and got attached to Finnick and victor Annie Cresta like a mother. That's why she volunteered for Annie who became mentally unbalanced after her Games. Finnick also loved her like a mother figure and did his best to protect her in the Second Quater Quell. Mags is in her 80s, using a cane to walk and her speech is difficult after a stroke and she still survives more than half the victors in the Quell !
@@CS-bu7loso did everyone else that won. This is a horrible perspective of the winners. Just because she won doesn’t make her ruthless or even a survivalist, it is stated in the books that people have won the games by simply hiding and moving passively, waiting for other tributes to die. Remember that every tribute who’s won was a child, and the vast majority of them never wanted to be in the games at all. It’s pretty weird to frame mags or anyone else as some sort of insane murderer when all of them are just trying to survive
@@fart63 It's also worth remembering that Career districts weren't always Career districts. That definitely took some time, and Mags very likely might have not been trained the same way Finnick was 50+ years later.
@@CS-bu7loI really doubt she was career, so soon after the 10th hunger games careers wouldn’t have had time to become a thing yet
@@CS-bu7lo The Careers are no more guilty of their killings than a trained pit dog is for theirs. They are made dangerous by a disgusting society and would not have been that way in another life.
4:14 Wiress applauding always gets me 😂😂😂😂
I like that too
Also Mags looking at Katniss so proudly 🥺
Every. Single. Time. I just love her sm.
Mags and Wiress are just the best
I love that moment at the end of Katniss' archery training where Wiress is applauding so eagerly to the point half the other Tributes slowly turn to look at her wondering what in gods name she's doing (Mags included). Both wholesome and oddly really funny to me.
She's just a little off-kilter in the best possible way. The actress did such a good job.
she didn't have much screentime but that scene is what solidified her as my favorite 2nd movie character
Beetee's actor is awesome. His voice projects the cool confidence he has in his intellect. He knows there is always a flaw in the system, having designed many of the systems himself (any engineers or developers reading this know the importance of having redundancies). Obviously he's talking metaphorically as well, about Kat.
One thing I loved about this scene was you could see how districts 3-12 had the most value. The careers knew how to kill in the hunger games but it’s all the other districts which knew how to survive!
In the 1rs book Katniss notice this too
4 was a Career District in the books. 1, 2, 4. But they changed it in the films.
12's actually were arguably FUCKED over. because any lifeskill job was AFTER turning 18. Students had to be in classes. So none of the 12ers actually had proper educations in anything usually. Unless they were criminal. Even then. 7's were used to swinging axes. 4 used to nets and fishermen tools like Tridents. 3's used to electronics.
Almost like Snow had a grudge against 12s
I just realized this scene was the tributes who were part of the rebel victors auditioning Katniss to see if she was smart and strong enough to be worth their sacrifice. They wanted to see if she was able to understand the weaknesses in their prison and had the actual skills to have a chance at survival. That was why wiress and bettee were happy not stunned and why Mags was proud because Katiness while coarse had the gentleness, and ability to see them as useful and not just find them weak, empathy, quick thinking, and survival instincts that their faction needed.
Last game: “Don’t train archery or you’ll reveal your tricks.”
I half expected the same thing here just to wonder “They’re past champions. Wouldn’t they already know?”
I’m glad the logic is consistent in this movie from my memory. I half expect inconsistencies lately.
I think the difference here is that during last games Katniss didn’t really show her skills with bow, so no one knew about how good she was, in her first games she mainly hid and set traps, and killed some animals but the other champions wouldn’t have had cared to see her since she was just poor hungry girl from district 12.
@@FatalFramer13also it’s one thing to know about her skill, and another to see it with your own eyes. Being an expert with a bow doesn’t mean you can defeat multiple attackers in combat. She can.
I was thinking about this was Johanna too. Her strategy is completely flawed now.
Yeah, the tributes in the 75th hunger games would have been able to watch the tapes that demonstrate katniss' skill. No point in pretending otherwise
I love the detail at 0:58 where you can see the lights flicker while Katniss is walking towards Beetee and Wiress before they even mention the forcefield causing the lights to flicker
I wish they included more screen time of Cecelia from 8. In the books, Katniss wanted to make an alliance with her because of the fact she was a mother.
seeder from 11 as well!
I’m gonna look for her in cf now !
To anyone wondering why Wiress seems a bit weird. If I remember correctly she got it at her games. At the last 2 tributes alive at her time. She battled against a strong opponent but she won using electricity + force field. But she was hit by a weapon and was electrocuted (i think both in the head). Wiress (the winner) was taken out from the arena unconcious. She was resuscitated and it was showing she was damaged mentally. Before these happened, Wiress was actually VERY smart, quick thinker, and a sneaky tribute.
I think her having damaged mentally is enough for the capitol to not give her punishments for using the force field to win (Unlike Haymitch's, his family was killed).
(Feel free to correct me 😊)
What ? i didn't know for haymitch omg thats so sad wtf he won why would they do that like
@@amourdevie1
Yeah. Haymitch used the force field to win (when Haymitch and one of his district partner parted ways, he discovered the force field, and also anything thrown at it would bounce back).
At the final battle, Haymitch was trying his best to make his opponent throw the axe.
Any win using the force field is considered as an insult by the capital.
Having no loved ones, that's one of the reasons Haymitch is ALCOHOLIC.
Another reason is that every year after the 2nd Quarter Quell, he has to coach 2 tributes every year (51-73), totaling 46 tributes died in his guidance.
The 74th hunger games gives Haymitch a little hope because of Katniss and Peeta that is why you can actually see in the movie that Haymitch is becoming less alcoholic.
I hope they make Haymitch games a movie as well. It would be interesting since it's the 2nd Quarter Quell.
omg do you have the source for wiress's game?
@@hoshi5456 I don't remember it anywhere in the books. The books only mention Beetee's electric trap.
I think this was actually a fan theory. The way Wiress won her games isn’t specified anywhere. Unfortunately for a Wiress stan like me. But this sounds like Christian Bianco, the TH-camr who makes headcanon Arena videos, who came up with this theory.
But really, I don’t think she has brain damage. That usually affects intelligence and other aspects. And Wiress is clearly still highly intelligent. And in the books Betee refers to her as such and even “intuitive”, that she can sense things before anyone else.
I think that Wiress is just a little quirky, or eccentric. Perhaps she’s even portrays high functioning Autism. At least, that what it seems to me. Plus the added trauma and PTSD from her past Games and the QQ, could exacerbate it.
MAGS. The definition of an angel. The scene when she dies is just too much... i think she knew if anyone was going to sacrifice themself it should be her.
It's kind of hard to picture her winning a hunger games 😂
In the books Brutus requests to be her ally, i wish they kept that in because it showed how even the Careers feared her skill
Imagine if she said yes? Considering how he wasn’t part of the plan or rebellion, what they would’ve done
"Hey Guys Katniss is coming, lets be on our A game and make our best trickshots when she passes by so we look cool"
Gold
Fun fact: Mags won the year after Lucy Gray.
And she fought in the first mandatory viewed games and the first victor to go on the victory tour
@aliharris9032
The Prequel retroactively made Mags into the first "real Victor", as in the first winner of the Hunger Games become part of the social class Snow created for them in his innovations to the Games.
Fittingly, she is present on the last Hunger Games. The era that began with her victory dies with her.
The actress who plays Mags really did it for me. Not a singer word said and everything is delivered.
3:06 "Do you wanna try with me?"
Katniss would have loved having a grandma
Plutarch standing next to the shimmering in the forcefield is such clever foreshadowing.
and "there's always a flaw in the system" and how they're using too much power for the games foreshadowing the ending
@@rune.theocracyIt's also a hint to the non-book reading audience that Beetee is part of whatever plan is going on. There's more to these Games than it seems.
Wiress clapping is the cutest thing ever. Her death was so sad.
That archery simulation game that Katniss plays actually looks fun.
The Hunger Games Experience in Vegas actually has one at the end... you all compete in 2 teams and shoot arrows on the screen for points lol
Wiress’s death saddened me - and it still does every time I watch the movie - even more than Mags’s. I liked her and Beetee so much 😢
I’m right there with you. I’m such a Wiress stan.
6:44 hits so differently when we find out which side he truly is in.
he's like "Hehe atta girl"
Being the new Gamemaster adds a wonderful sense of self-aware irony. Plutarch risked his life to rig the games to fuel the rebellion and Crane died accidentally starting it
The casting of the past champions was 10s across the board, but Jenna Malone as Joanna Mason was an especially inspired choice
I totally agree
I wonder what Mags and Finnick were talking about while waiting for the individual assessment 😅, they just seem to be having such an intense convo while everyone else is silently waiting
There's genuine warmth and joy in Plutarch's smile which make sense only once you know his true allegiance
Ikr! I was getting good vibes from him the whole time, even when he was appearing to be on the bad side..
4:13
The way District One turns their heads at Wiress always got a chuckle out of me
And even Mags looks at her too
It Was Actually Very Smart To Make Friends With Mags, She was one of the weaker tributes but she was also much more approachable then Finnick and Allying with Mags means they also get a free pass to Finnick, arguably the strongest tribute
Yeah that’s all fair and good but the reason why it wasn’t smart was because that’s not what Katniss was doing. Katniss didn’t want free access to finnick, she wanted mags as her ally without finnick. She despises him and wants nothing to do with him nor be his ally in any case. So that’s why she wasn’t smart
Yes! Well observed
Also notice how in the bloodbath Mags comes out untouched. Ain’t no fucking way she could have fought her way out, the others, even the careers, *deliberately left her alone.*
She heard even the antisocial, perpetually cranky Haymotch praise her and immediately realizes no one was actually going to want to hurt her until they had to.
@@flowerfaerie8931 it’s more likely that mags came out untouched because she’s from district 4 so is a good swimmer despite being old. Mags and Finnick are the best swimmers there are and most of the others can’t really swim or not as well as them
@@chanbang378 Yeah but on land? Finnick was busy chatting up Katniss, she had nobody to protect her for several minutes.
I admire that Katniss always valued intelligence and creative thinking over sheer physical strength. I totally agreed with her choices and I really don't think Peeta gave her enough credit. She's the reason they both survived the 74th hunger games, she knew what she was doing.
He didn't object in the book, it was actually slightly OOC for him to do so and use the nicknames. He would always be on the underdogs' side.
@@monmothma3358yeah true, peeta's character was better in the books.
True that. She also noted how the careers, while tactically smart, had very poor survival skills and didn’t know how to fend for themselves in the arena
4:13
Wiress, I love you so much xD
Also 5:55
10 min?! Peeta drew that in 10 min?!? WHAT!
“Nuts & Volts” was a very accurate description but also hilarious 😂
I’m still SO mad that they cut the scene of Peeta bonding with the Morphlings. But other than that, this is a great scene
I think Mags can hunt, at least in her younger years. But its ofcourse harder in the age of 80. She did won the 11th game after all. But she is so nice that she let Katniss show her anyway.
… and I guess a forcefield goes both ways so they cant stop Peeta and Katniss even then they understands that they are doing.
I love the fact that she doesnt immediantly goes for violence but intelligence and resourceful people. Its actually a lovely message
I love how he looks under his glasses just like it's described in the books. A nice touch.
I love how on this scene it shows how she has an advantage on the rest of the tributes in the combat aspect which are: Distance and fast reflexes.
With the beginning showing the other tributes practicing in close combat or a skill in which she effortlessly dodges and eliminates in the practice range, like the spear throwing.
It levels the field against aggressive competitors since she has a weapon that shoots far and with good accuracy. Obviously I’m not saying she can win against most of them, but her chances really increase when she has a bow. Hence why some of them want her on their team OR feel threatened by her.
Having 10 minutes to present their chosen skill with 24 tributes means 240 minutes or 4 hours. she was sitting there for 4 hours waiting until she could present her “skill”
Plus the movies don’t say, but Peeta spent over 40 minutes showing his skill since he refused to leave and painted that picture of Rue. So Katniss was waiting alone confused for that amount of time and then walked in and saw the gamemakers looked angry
04:31 the way peeta turns around HAHAHAHA
Every time beete talks the violin plays as if he’s a mad scientist going over his wild experiments
2:08 watching them geek out is truly wholesome
The way they foreshadow the force field and say there is a flaw, and how she later shots an arrow in to the field barrier at the end of this movie
1:11 - this look between Wiress and Beetee. The largest Alliance between trubutes to protect Peeta and Katniss was already in place.
Ughhh stop. This is tugging my heartstrings.
She picked the smartest people in the room, the ones that are survivors not fighters
How did she recreate Seneca's beard so perfectly
She met him so she knew how it looks like
When you realize Mags remembers Lucy Gray
And was probably why Mags proudly joined the rebellion by volunteering to go to the games. Katniss reminded her of that singing songbird all those years ago from District 12 that Snow desperately wanted everyone to forget about
@@oncerand_directioner or..or...or... its because Mags is a slave like literally any other district 4 citizen and she was made to murder innocent children to survive in a game put on by a government run by tyrannical madmen.
@@oncerand_directioner She volunteered because annie had been called and annie was finnicks love of his life and she had raised Finnick. Also annie had severe ptsd from her time in the hunger games. Also remember only one comes out alive. If she is routing for finnick to win she would want annie to be alive for that win.
Mags was the Victor of the 11th Hunger Games.
The Prequel retroactively made Mags into the first "Real Victor" of the Hunger Games (the first to receive a reward and the first to go on a Victory Tour). The first of the social class Snow created in his innovations to the Games.
In a bookend, Mags is present in the last Hunger Games. The era that began with her victory dies alongside her.
Wiress’s laugh and comment about how they should have a sign warning about the forcefield always cracks me up.😂
The dead silence other than the stretching rope as a dummy portraying Crane hangs had no reason to be as spine chilling as it is.
For some reason, I absolutely love that Beedee lifts his glasses because he's far-sighted.
In retrospect, it makes Plutarch's smile a bit less sinister though, because you know he's thinking "that's our girl" even though she doesn't know he's on her side yet.
she's a cold-blooded murderer in that moment at the sight of Rue's image exactly how she was when Rue got murdered in the first movie
Katniss and an old lady against the Careers. See this is why no one lets her make the plans.
That old lady comes with Finnick though
wiress clapping omg shes my everything. girl deserved so much better
Coming from just watching new movie, Mags definitely knew of Lucy’s win and that’s what makes me 😢
She would be the only past Victor left alive who would remember Lucy and Snow erasing her from history.
Only the capitol watch the 1st to 10th hunger games. There's no way she knew because Gaul deleted everything in the 10th hunger games
If they districts were ever able to watch it back then. they may have not been as setup as now.
I have to keep on reminding myself that Katniss is an emotional teenager, and that's why they can barely trust her with any real knowledge that would have helped her in the games in regards to allies.
Absolutely cold as _hell._ Good thing Plutarch was on her side, he was just glad their chosen "face of the revolution" still had the fire in her lmao
Beetee is possibly the best tribute. He is very smart, and also very approachable and seems easy to get along with. That right there is something that I look for in friends. + he won his games by making an electric trap, and he is a key part of the Rebellions success as he talks with Haymitch and Peeta about planning.
Beetee also seems like a decent guy who really doesn’t want to hurt more people (except the Capital).
i love the music that plays when wiress and beetee are being smart
Haymitch: who do you want as allies?
Katniss: the old lady and the nerds
Hatmitch: ok but who el-
Katniss: I said the old lady and the nerds!
They did end up keeping her alive tho
Thoughtful, observant, smart and kind. These are the people you want around you. Katniss had great instincts.
Fiction, of course, but the lesson is 100% real.
The fact that if Haymich had made it public to the tributes that Katniss wanted Mags then Katniss would've AUTOMATICALLY had Finnick in her corner anyway
But Katniss didn’t want finnick, that’s the issue. She would’ve disagreed because she didn’t want finnick as an ally with mags, she didn’t want him near him. That’s why they rolled their eyes
Wiress clapping in admiration always gets me :D
I love how Joannah and the big dude from 1 or 2 are just looking at her like "who the fuck is this girl from 12 and where the FUCK did she get those skills?" 😂😂😂
Big Feller is Alan Ritchson, currently notable as Reacher. Here he's Gloss of District 1.
I don't think that was it. Looked more like they were appraising her. She might be the new kid on the block but they already know how well she did in the last game
yeah girls only want guys with great skills. nunchuck skills, computer hacking skills, etc.
4:14 Wiress applauding always gets me . That katniss scene with her practicing her archery is so satisfying.
Is really interesting to see how the games technology evolved from the 10th games until the 75th. From being put inside cages, with no food nor beds an only a vetenarian to help the injured. Having to perform tricks for the public to give you some food. (The audience that wasn't Sejanus that is). Some of them even starting the games with some disease. And then there's this healthy tributes that sleep in hotel suites, have a preparation team, go to feasts and are given enhanced weapons and gear so they can give a good performance for the whole country to see. Makes me wonder what would have happened with Coryo if Crassus and Casca Highbottom didn't invented the games. But then again id that had been the case we wouldn't have the books.
I love all of the reactions at 4:05
katniss - still got it i guess...oh there's more of you now...
Mags, Finnik, district 2 Female, and Beede - in awe or looking proud, "theres the Mockingjay..."
Nuts - *ENTHUSIASTIC CLAPPING NOISES* (seriously its like a little league game i love it)
districts 1, district 2 male, the morflings, district 7, and Joanna - "oh shit...she could kill all of us easy"
I always found the scene of Katniss hanging the dummy of Seneca Crane not to mean that she is the reason he’s dead because he crossed her, it’s more along the lines of “nobody is safe under the rule of President Snow, not even you. You’re just late to seeing it.” Because Seneca Crane was Head Gamemaker, one of the highest positions in the capital, a position of prestige and power, and if he could very well be murdered for making a mistake, then his being of a Capital Citizen made no difference. He still died in the same way many people in the districts have died since the beginning.
Theyre all the same in death, and under Snow, they’ll all die to him eventually, no matter who you are or what your social status is.
Plutarch was the one who told her of Seneca Crane’s demise and in a subtle way made his allegiance known. And him watching her do this probably solidified that she was the perfect person to be the Mockingjay.
(I might not be remembering correctly but the Head Gamemaker is usually different each year or changed after they mess up, but their fates aren’t public knowledge so Katniss putting it in their faces that she knows what happened to him startled the other gamemakers because nobody should know about it.)
I never realized that she wasn’t suppose to know that, I keep learning knew things from this movie years later :)
Never read the books, only watched the movies. I love Mags so much. She reminds me of my grandma.
It's crazy how Mags knew Lucy Gray in the 10th Hunger Games.
"I can teach you how to hunt" _just makes Mags watch her_
well, katniss asked mags first if she wanted to try with her, and mags’s body language said “no, you go first” :) 3:06
@@cloudly7545 true, I just found it funny there didn’t seem to be any effort in teaching, like how you hold a bow, how to aim, etc. of course she’s probably too old to even try, but seeing katniss just go straight to showing off was unintentionally hilarious
The way Mags tells Katnis in this moment “Thank you and I only had the courage to volunteer because of what you did.” With no words is amazing
In the book the scene is so more satisfying, like Katnis just goes to the trap/survival teacher (bc yeah, there are teacher for each position) who is glad to see she still remember what he taught to her. Then she met the ninfos who are drawing with colours, and betee and (don't remember the name) are more crazy, more out, oh, as well as meeting Mags. The scene with Haymitch is exactly the same, but there's a lack of vitality, of feeling. The whole piece is the book is more ironic, vibrant, here (as well in the rest of the movie) everything looks so dull
To be fair, the book allowed the readers imagination to bring that imagery together, which is where the fun in reading comes in. This scene being dull, however, would fit with a group of tributes being forced back into a death pit while being judged. I'd be dull if I knew I had to do this again after barely surviving my last one.
In a literature perspective, I agree with you that the movie didn't make the scenes as satisfying as the book interpreted.
In a movie perspective, it's much harder to give that same purpose to the viewer when some of them probably hadn't read the book (or used the book as a reference).
The other District 3 Victor Tribute with Beetee is named Wiress. Just remember her name has wire and District 3 is electricity I believe? Something close to that
" I'll tell them you're still making up your mind" 😂😂😂
0:19 Wow I never noticed that Jack Reacher was in that season's competition..
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS
He seems larger in Reacher, man’s been putting work since HG.
I love their faces when she says "Mags" 😂 lol
Man the Career siblings I would hate to think what happened *if* they were the last few left cause they would be forced to take the other out. Unfortunately they died during the games.
Yes, that's what I thought
1:38 , 1:46 I think Plutarch was purposefully pointing out the force field to Beetee , Now that we know They were in the plan since the beginning. Little Breadcrumbs.. It was such a subtle an thoughtful detail
I’m so sad Mags died…..sweet old lady…..
In the art of war, strategies based upon wisdom and intelligence can often times be far more effective than those of artillery and brute force.
Idk why they didn't like her picking Mags, maybe they didn't know she comes with Finnick
"When being chased by a wild animal, you don't have to outrun the animal, you just have to outrun your slowest companion." Katniss at this point has absolutely defined herself as the person who will never, ever leave anyone behind. And she chose the slowest, weakest person in the group to be a companion. This puts her at (extra) risk, and by extension risks her entire team. The bonus pointy stick that is Finnick doesn't outweigh the reduced odds of survival in this scenario. And that's what everyone aside from Katniss is focusing on: surviving an arena full of experienced and (sometimes literally) bloodthirsty killers.
@@SystemofEleven Mags might also be one of the smartest and most practically savvy people in the room. Haymitch mentioned that the top causes of death are dehydration, hunger, infection, and other ailments. And how did she win her own games at age 16? Through sheer survival skills.
With others, it's about running from the animals. WIth Mags, it's about not letting the animals know you are there at all. I think Katniss saw qualities and factors in Mags that influences their chances of survival in ways that balances out her frailty.
Lastly, if Katniss brings Mags into the group, she creates a solidarity among her allies that otherwise would not exist. A group of "strong" people might throw each other under the bus under extreme duress, even if they are good, loyal people in normal circumstances. But if they are ALL invested in protecting Mags, if unifies them in ways their enemies cannot replicate, and that makes them strong.
Its why Katniss's posse wins out: Katniss picks the knowledgeable, savvy team players and gives them something precious to rally around. Her adversaries picked solo predators out for individual survival.
@@joejoejoe532 It was more Mags because of her age. But they didn't think of the fact that Finnick would come with this. Or they knew Finnick would ally with Katniss. Hence giving him the gold bracelet to let her know their allies.
Katniss didn’t want mags to come with finnick though, she didn’t want finnick at all she only wanted mags. Despite her being a great person her alone is too old to help keep her alive
@@clover2739 That's because she didn't trust Finnick like most of the others. As we know. Especially when the books are in Katniss P.O.V. No one trusted Johanna for example because Katniss didn't trust her...but because if you read the books already...we know what happens.
Just finished watching the Ballad of the Songbirds and Snakes and I just think about mags. She looks older than Snow…can’t imagine living through all the hunger games, winning one then coming back to hell. Her death always made me cry
Some people said Peeta was a jerk for reacting to Mags’ name like this (especially considering she eventually sacrifices herself to save them, particularly him), but I think in the movie’s context Peeta’s reaction at this point in time makes perfect sense. When Haymitch was giving them an overview of the other victors, they identified Mags as Finnick’s weakness and agreed that if he tried to protect her, he would be exposed. Now Katniss wanted to put herself in that situation. Peeta knew very well that Katniss would never want to leave Mags in harm’s way and save herself if it came down to that, and since his priority is to save Katniss, this makes his job harder. So of course he was frustrated.
I liked the movie version of her seeing Rue’s memorial. Jennifer Lawrence face would unnerve me if she gave me that look after. They needed that forcefield because she has murdeous intentions.
I observe that Katniss only trusted Finnick and Johanna when the former saved Peeta and the latter saved Wiress and Beetee, the very people that Katniss placed her trust into prior to the Games.
Yeah the only reason Johanna saved Wiress and beetee was because Haymitch told her it was the only way to get her trust and get Katniss to ally with her. He obviously gave finnick the bracelet but like you said, she didn’t fully trust him until he saved peeta
Katiness choice of allies was good they are smart not violent like the other tributes.
I love how the youngest became friends with the oldest.
This book really shaped how I eventually became--I look out for the underdogs. Or maybe I was always like that but my values got validated by this.
I can't believe it's been more than a decade since I've read this.
I always liked the part of him walking over to where Beetee can show Katniss the force field, to me it foreshadowed where he stood with the Revolution