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I had never heard of them, but sounds awesome. Will also be signing up, if they accept pop-ups. Couple more years for us before we can get our dream B camper van (kid in college).
Hi Neil. We did subscribe and are binging on your reviews and comparisons. Please help us we saw a floor plan on a review that had a full time bed "nook" in the back passenger side and we believe a coach and rear entry "mudroom" / bathroom. Do you or any of your subs know what that configuration is called and maybe a manufacturer that specializes in it. We saw it on TH-cam a month ago and haven't seen it again. We have a condo in Cocoa Beach but we love the Keys and hate the idea of beach track in the RV we are definitely buying for Atlantic coast adventures. Thanks, and love the content!
Simply the best..by far. If people only knew how much extra work you put into your editing, and overall production Neil they would be very surprised. I can think of many advertisers who love the demographic you serve. I hope several of them jump all over you and help fund this fantastic content. Keep up the really outstanding work and your audience will just continue to grow. Congrats to Harvest Hosts for having the brains to see something good and jump on it, others will follow, count on it.
Niel, we have the pleasure-Way 22.5 , an older model 2014. The quality we have found on this unit is top notch. Everything in the unit works well and as designed (still 4 years later), generator, lights, water heater, stove and the bathroom is wonderful. It's it's own little dressing room. We are very impress with the high quality, we believe it's a step up from the Leisure in this area. Although the Leisure is a nice unit, it's so important to have good equipment and a good thought process in function design. The Bathroom is gravity driven, therefore cleaning works wonderful all the time and is very quick. Seating in front drive area again wonderful can drive many hours with no back problem. Although we do have to set up the bed each evening ( takes all of 5-8 minutes), it is very comfortable and supports your back well, no topper needed. Again made with quality material and designed to function as needed. Having said this , I do agree the Leisure unity looks nicer, however when I want to have a Hot Ride I go to my BMW, we chose to have function and quality material 1st. We live is a wonderful place, it's always great to have choices , your views just need to know what's more important to them. Thanks for listening and as always we very much enjoy your channel....
Will Travel - thank you so much for sharing your owner experience. it's very valuable to viewers. I agree that there is no perfect RV. Both these coaches are excellent and so much depends on the individual buyer.
Hi Neil. A simple recommendation when you are discussing the mechanical perspectives on two different vans . . . when discussing engine type, please add Horse Power (HP) and Torque (lbf∙ft) . . . I know these numbers are easily found if one goggles them, but since they are such important factors for new buyers, who are comparing different coaches, it would really help to make your videos a "one stop shopping" review. Also, if you could add whether the coach is front wheel or rear wheel drive, at the same time you are discussing the engine, so much the better for the same reason. BTW, I agree with the Unity over the XLTS. All the best.
Thanks Neil, I like that you spent some time on the mechanicals like electrical, tanks, and controls. But a huge difference between these two vans is the price with the Unity at $128K vs the XLTS at $145K. But disregarding the price, I have to give the win to the XLTS. It is such a beautiful interior with all that corian, the better electrical, and the fact that you can likely squeeze all this into a standard parking spot gives Pleasure-way the win.
Hi, Lisa. It was hard for me to make a choice on this one. There isn't one answer for everyone and the XLTS is a fine choice between these two for many. I'm glad that you appreciate what I do and thanks for sharing!
Great review Neil! Another thing that needs to be pointed out is that the Unity has ducted air. Not so on the Pleasure Way. This could make the Unity more comfortable and less noisy. I would love to see a comparison.
Hi Neil, I really appreciate your reviews. After much research it really came down to the PW XLTD or the LTV Unity TB to meet our needs. We decided on the Unity Twin Bed for all the reasons you discussed and ordered our van at the Pomona, Ca. RV show last week. We wanted the new 2019 Mercedes cab and chassis and expect delivery next May. Thanks again for all the information you provide. Best, DG
welcome to the RV lifestyle! very excited and happy for you. you will love your Unity TB. Great layout and setup. Congratulations and I hope you'll continue to watch my channel!
I really love and appreciate all of your reviews. I have been looking at the Pleasure-way and Leisure Unity and after much research for me it really came down to the Warranty. At the price between both of them it’s a 2 year warranty for the Unity and a 5 year warranty for the Unity.
Yes, I totally agree. Storage and functionality puts LTV ahead of Pleasure-way. We would definitely buy the Island Bed model. I also like other vans such as the Travato 59GL, but my husband doesn't like any of the smaller "B's", but he totally loves this B+ (small C).
Hey Neil, I just discovered your channel and I really like it. It is not easy to find unbiased RV reviews on the Web. Especially with this kind of production value. You are like the Consumer Reports of the class B world! Many thanks. I just watched this comparison and have to side with the PW XLTS. Both are nice rigs but I wouldn't want to own anything above 23ft, if you do, it makes downtown driving and parking more difficult. Also, I've seen more than a few campgrounds that do not allow RV's over 24ft. I also like the build quality of all the PWs. True, I think the bathroom on the XLTS is overdone, too much corian, too much weight. And really how much time do we spend in the bathroom, compared to the other parts of the RV. The XLTS is the boxier look which isn't great but once you get away from those sleeker, shorter class B's nothing looks very good. I like the B+'s because of all the extra storage they afford. It's all a trade off and nothing is ever perfect. Best!
hi robert. welcome to my channel! thanks for sharing your thoughts on this comparison. I do love the xlts too. you can't really go wrong with it. there's no one perfect RV!
Neil, LOVE your reviews sir! I have a simple request for your videos going forward, which you may ignore I’d you wish. I find myself more and more dependent on a workspace for my laptop, backup drives and such. You touch on this in this video, however there some important features that owner need to consider; Stability, sitting position, can the TV be used (replacement assumed) as a second monitor for your laptop (eye level, forward back as well as up and down adjustment) and seating comfort, size, and most importantly height adjustments. Dining tables that ADJUST up and down as you wish are excellent, if the seating is comfortable. Having a work area is critical nowadays as we all seem to be tied to our devices more and more. Thanks!
Hi Neil, this is a very comprehensive review. Thank you. I would like to see a comparison of the quality of customer service between these two manufacturers e.g. given some common problems e.g. failed parts, etc. how long will it take the respective manufacturers to resolve the issue. How well does the quality of their "authorized service centres" compare? This isn't a simple task but it is certainly one that is of extremely high value to any potential purchasers.
When we used to backpack in the Rocky Mountains we referred to this as the bigger backpack theory. The bigger the pack the more stuff you didn’t need you stuffed in there and this added more weight. Really if you are on the road, how many extra stuff do you need.? The pleasure way has more than enough “storage”.
I have to agree. The Unity is more functional. Actually I like the twin bed layout better. But LTV has to start providing lithium batteries and auto start in their RVs.
I love this unity......please review the unity cornerbed...i love the idea of a permanent dinette and bed...plus the extra room with a slide out....thanks Neil for your wonderful reviews
Thank you Neil! As we continue to research and shop, your reviews and comparison videos have been absolutely invaluable. So far, the *LTV Unity **_IB_* is at the top of our list, and _by a wide margin._ And after watching this, we are happy to say, _it still is._ Although, I'm really hoping for a lithium battery bank soon. Thank you for all your time and effort.
I love the Unity AND the XLTS. Either would make me happy, however, I do lean toward the Unity for the same reason you gave it the edge Neil. Functionality. Having the Corian is great but I love the bathroom in the Unity and the fact it has an actual bedroom. I do wish LTV would go to lithium batteries and hopefully hey will see the light on that soon. Also I have seen where LTV is starting to implement Multiplex wiring in some units. Awesome review!!
yep the lithium batteries can be upgraded after market as can the inverter. so then other than a better warranty the unity ib has a much better layout IMHO. if this were a comparison between the Unity MB and the Plateau XLMB it would harder to award the win to the Unity.
You got it right my friend, the unity is the way to go great presentation once again. You always keep me focused on what you’re talking about. As they say in the south stay thirsty my friend.
Great Review....as usual. And... I'd like to add some more comments - 1. I've had 5 Class B's over the Decades. ALL great vehicles. BUT.............As we've grown older and walking became more difficult for both of us...I found it hard for me and especially my wife (who I have to help) to move around the narrow aisle..especially in our last Class B (A 2016 Roadtrek Zion). And we're fairly small people. I would guess standard size buyers, with our condition, would have worse problems. We went to a Class B+ (A Thor Gemini) and navigation has become much easier. 2. Now that I have a slide out...I REALLY enjoy having the more "roomy" atmosphere when we camp. Our RV NOW mimics a small cabin or condo...being more "square" than "long"..... and is much more livable than our previous Class B's. 3. Also a Class B+ does NOT have to be for use "only during vacations". I drive mine to the store and am able to park in just about any standard parking slot in a lot, albeit, with a little "hangover". I can also easily park along the street without worrying about width. 4. I WISH ALL class B's and B+'s would come with an second alternator instead of a separate generator. Certainly a lot more quiet and you don't have to worry about depleting your propane supply while getting the 110 VAC you need to power up your microwave...aircon...and TV's. The second alternator was on the RAM engine and was standard on the Roadtrek zion. 5. I WISH Pleasure Way and Leisure would consider expanding their distribution network more widely in the USA. The nearest dealers are just too far for me to get to to purchase a vehicle and, more importantly, rely on for maintenance. Why both don't strike deals with big outlets like Camping World is a major question I have. Both companies make excellent vehicles but I'm afraid they take themselves out of the market by limiting access to their sales/service distributors..... to MILLIONS of potential customers. Anyway...Thanks again for your excellent reviews!
Hey Neil, I love your unbiased reviews, there is a couple that is sponsored by an RV Company, and during their live feed, several people brought up "Pleasureway". The couple could not bring themselves to recommend anything other than the brand that they were being sponsored by. The funny thing is....that company took away their Motorhome for some reason so they are currently without one. I have to agree with you on this review...I'd go with the Unity too. Dave
Hi Neil This was a great review of two of the RV's I am considering, though I am about 12 months out from a final decision due to scheduling. I just joined as an early access supporter as I want to encourage you in this small way to continue with your reviews. One quick thought and forgive me if I have missed it on your list of videos, I would be really curious to know if your growing base of viewers, might join forces with you to provide some product reliability / ownership experience data, specifically, product failure rates. Realizing this would be a rather small statistical data pool and so the results might need to be taken with a grain of salt, however it might also expose any major product shortcomings. As you have mentioned, manufacturer warranties vary greatly and terms are sometimes less than transparent. A basic question to your viewers asking for their 5 most significant product failures along with RV brand, model, age and milage might prove really interesting. Also any comments about servicing dealers and lessons learned. One more item, a future video topic for you, a deep dive into the top class B+ manufacturer's warranty terms and coverages. Thanks for your passion for this and the outstanding video library you have created for us.
first thank you so much for becoming a patron on Patreon. you are helping to finance my weekly reviews. it's a great idea that you have on working with actual owners. as my channel grows I'll try to figure out a way to make that happen. thanks for the suggestion!
Better every week. Hey, I think your next comparison should be Dean (PW) versus Dean (LTV). Have each of these guys sell us on their model. That would be epic.
been trying to make improvements every week based on my own reviews and feedback. glad to hear that you feel it's working. would love to have a round table discussion. trying to figure out a way to make that happen. maybe at an RV show or something.
I flagged one down at Cape Disappointment this fall. What a great rig. My spouse is a diesel technician and is on the fence about the engine but I just love this model. I can't explain the engine concerns he has. I was listening but more looking like I was listening. That's how much I loved this unit.
No mention was made of the rear window in the pleasure way. That's a big advantage. A 180 degree view around the vehicle is very important. 80% of the time the best view at any campsite is at the rear.
Great Review. The 2020 Unity has corrected a number of negative items listed in this review. The LP generator has a self start feature. Lithium is a option, etc
The Pleasure Way may look upscale, but they wasted far too much of its carrying capacity putting Corian everywhere. Sometimes I think RV makers forget that people actually need them to be functional in the real world, not just look pretty.
This is a new world to me, and LOVE your graphics thru the video listing comparisons. Love this, thank you! I am on a huge learning curve, and your video's are helping! Thank you!
I have to agree with you Neil, the Unity is more practical even tho the bathroom is nicer in the XLTS, but chances are I'm not going to be spending much time in the bathroom, I plan to spend my time exploring the great outdoors, the bedroom and living spaces of the the Unity :) becoming a NOMAD requires a life style of simplicity and being practical, again Neil great job! I truly appreciate your input and what you do in making my choice a whole lot easier, keep up the excellent work, glad to have found you :)
The Unity Island Bed is my favorite of the two, at 25 feet. But as far as short RVs I am awfully fond of Pleasure Ways Assent at only 19 feet. And one of my other favorites is the Pleasure Way Plateau FL. I just can't decide?
It's definitely worth it to me to have a fixed bed system, as I have 3 little Dachshunds who LOVE sleeping in Mom's bed, whether I'm joining them or not!
I really like Pleasure Way’s Quality But the Unity has the microwave up where I like it. A freezer, and That Bed is the clincher I think too. But the solar and the Bathroom are always great. When it comes time choose, I don’t know from the video I would need to walk in them and then I could make a choice better I think.
multiplex wiring is how the electrical wiring is done inside the coach. standard wiring is much like what you may have in your home where lines are directly wired into a central fuse panel with independent leads switches and multiple ground wires formed into an octopus' nest of wiring harnesses. Multiplex wiring provides power to a common distribution center that is controlled by various switch panels (centralized control centers) via cat5 network cabling. each switch bank can be programmed to controls each light, fan etc. via software.
Every week I think, "this is my fav review", and it is....till next week. That first impression view of open space in the PW is quickly usurped by the permanent bedroom setup of the LTV. For me, both of them get demerits for not offering a compressor fridge. If I remember correctly from your past reviews, PW fit and finish is superior to LTV, so there's that. But Ultimately, IMO, the winner is the LTV.
i'm glad that you appreciate my reviews weekly Jennifer. I try hard to make them unbiased, fair, entertaining and information. I get better each week. it was really hard for me to choose but part of my brand is making the tough choice like every other buyer has to do. in the end I love PW but in this head to head the Unity wins. If it were a head to head between the XLTS MB and the Unity MB the pleasureway would likely win.
I agree I like the unity better, a permanent bed that has space on both side to make up the bed and get out of bed is a must have for me and the higher up outside hook ups reduses alot of bending over. Did you do a review on the twin bed model?
Hello Neil, So happy to have found your channel!! I’m currently trying to decide between Leisure Travel Vans Wonder and Unity (twin bed models.) Unfortunately, I haven’t found any videos comparing the two. Any chance you might consider shooting one? Kelley
Hey Neil :) can you talk to Dean about having permanent bed options lol there could be so much more storage if raised up and permanent for those that don't want to tear down and remake Love your reviews! Have a nice day:)
The warranty differences should be discussed. Also, why not compare Island Bed to Island Bed? Both the Unity and the PW XL come in different configurations - and may be better to compare like configs?
yep we will compare different layouts. This was the first and viewers voted on this comparison that's what I did! PW doesn't make an island bed unfortunately. I could do murphy bed to murphy bed.
I would also prefer the Unity over the Plateau XLTS, except for one very important factor......warranty. Pleasure Way' s warranty is five years, while the Leisure Travel warranty is only one. They both look very nice, but I suspect the long term quality/reliability is higher in the Pleasure Way.
I believe the LTV warranty is 2 years. Still, I would rather have a short warranty that I didn't utilize rather than a long one that got a lot of use. Under warranty, if your RV is tied up in the shop for weeks or months (and it happens!) you're not compensated.
Also keep in mind that the warranty is on manufacturer items only. I believe that components like water pumps, refrigerators, etc. carry their own warranty, which may be significantly shorter than the manufacturer's.
Unity has it. More practical and the newer ones do have more as well in 2 generator options, larger inverter, multiplexed controls and app connectivity .
One question: I owned an LTV MB and it was not a four season coach. I have heard the Pleasure Way is a four season coach? BTW, loved the LTV but was just a bit too small so sold it. Have a Newmar New Aire on order. Not too big, not too small...and great for glamping!
Ultramobility I like the Murphy bed (60”X80”) layout in the LTV, but the electronics in the PW has my attention. Is there a 3rd party way of upgrading to lithium & 200 watt inverter with auto-start generator?
yep you can upgrade after market to lithium and you can upgrade the inverter as well. not terribly complicated but you would likely need to find a specialist to do it.
I would have to go with the Unity over the XLTS. The problem with Leisure is their small dealer network on the East Coast. We ended up getting the Tiffin Wayfarer TW also on the MB 3500 and like it very much. We took the bedding out of the overhead cab area and use it strictly for storage.
JP, how have you liked your Tiffin TW ? We are looking to move from B to B+ ( or small C ) and it's between the Tiffin TW, PleasureWay XLTS or Leisure. We are concerned about the 1 yr ( vs 3-5 year warranty ) on the Tiffin - seem's way too short? Like you there are limited (1) Leisure dealers in Texas which is a consideration for us. Multiple dealers certified for Tiffin and Pleasureway.
Chad Schittone : Chad, we really like our Tiffin Wayfarer TW. It’s small enough to get around town and large enough to be comfortable and have a Dry Bath as well as adequate storage. We took the mattress out and use the bunk area for additional storage. Tiffin customer service is second to none. I would not worry about the warranty all that much. You can buy an extended warranty. The problem with the others is mostly lack of storage and the wet bath! I guess there are trade offs. So decide what is most important to you. JR
Neil, nice review, could you double check the occc on leisure travel. At the Hershey shoe I looked st the yellow sticker and it was much lower. It’s the same chassis as pleasureway. Thanks
yes I have a picture of the sticker from the door and it reads 2031 lbs. each unity will have a different occc rating which also varies by installed options.
Neil, I just looked again and most are around 1200 not 2000, the unity you saw could be part of the recall (Triple E RV recalls 752 RVs for incorrect cargo capacity on the decals) I have email the company to get the numbers rvdailyreport.com/owner/product-recalls/triple-e-rv-recalls-752-rvs-for-incorrect-cargo-capacity-on-the-decals/ BTW Thanks for all the work you do!
Neil your doing a great job but what needs to be reviewed is quality and service with manufacturers something that is missing. It’s nice to see new RVs but how do they stand up.
Excellent review, as always. Very close choice here. The price difference is accounted for by higher end equipment and fittings on the xlts. However, the much larger storage on the Unity would be hard to turn down. For me, at the end of the day, for class Bs, you need the dual use of the sleeping area. In the Unity, to permanently dedicate the whole back half of the RV for use as a bedroom doesn't make sense.
Outstanding review Neil, this is an interesting pair of rigs that I really like. Completely agree with you on the Unity edging out the win. Really impressive OCCC but I believe that is without the generator?
Yes! some B+ action. Not sure either of these would suit me. Each has different good and bad points. While I have never seen one in person I still think I would prefer the Pleasure-way Plateau XLMB. I'm guessing that model is a rare bird since I have never seen a review of one besides the videos that Pleasure-way puts out themselves.
LTV really needs to incorporate the wiring/ags/lithium batteries that PW has already. LTV also absolutely needs to match PW's warranty or at least go to 4 years. In many other ways, as you pointed out, LTV has some nice advantages. If I keep waiting, maybe they'll get there. Glad to see a gasoline Sprinter coming. Thanks for all of your reviews/info.
@@Ultramobility Well then, I hope PW will look at reviews of yours and comments like mine and copy LTV's advantages over them, while maintaining their own advantages. Then I'll buy one; retired and ready to go.
Awesome review, thanks Neil. I love the LTV IB too! Could you provide the dimensions on the driver seat desk table area? On the Plateau? How far back is from the dividing line cabin-lounge. The table seems like 6" plus 4" the knee space when seat is face back. Can you confirm? Thank you!
I have to agree with your choice. But it is difficult to pass on the lithium and solar. I think a lot will come and go in the next couple of years before we are ready to buy.
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Here's my review of the Unity Island Bed: th-cam.com/video/G_IbfsngxzE/w-d-xo.html
Here's the review of the Pleasure-way Plateau XLTS: th-cam.com/video/ZAa8PMNskT0/w-d-xo.html
Ultramobility We signed up in anticipation for delivery of our ascent in May. Good to research a few trips ahead of time!
I had never heard of them, but sounds awesome. Will also be signing up, if they accept pop-ups. Couple more years for us before we can get our dream B camper van (kid in college).
Hi Neil. We did subscribe and are binging on your reviews and comparisons. Please help us we saw a floor plan on a review that had a full time bed "nook" in the back passenger side and we believe a coach and rear entry "mudroom" / bathroom. Do you or any of your subs know what that configuration is called and maybe a manufacturer that specializes in it. We saw it on TH-cam a month ago and haven't seen it again. We have a condo in Cocoa Beach but we love the Keys and hate the idea of beach track in the RV we are definitely buying for Atlantic coast adventures. Thanks, and love the content!
HAVE you scanned through Pinterest? i've saved some back entry bathrooms/mudrooms from there.
mark, thanks so much for signing up!
Simply the best..by far. If people only knew how much extra work you put into your editing, and overall production Neil they would be very surprised. I can think of many advertisers who love the demographic you serve. I hope several of them jump all over you and help fund this fantastic content. Keep up the really outstanding work and your audience will just continue to grow. Congrats to Harvest Hosts for having the brains to see something good and jump on it, others will follow, count on it.
Love the Unity. We have owned a Unity TB for 3+ years and have driven 35000 happy miles so far.
always great to hear from an actual owner. thank you!
Any problems with your Unity at all in those 3 years? Are you living out of it Full-time?
Niel, we have the pleasure-Way 22.5 , an older model 2014. The quality we have found on this unit is top notch. Everything in the unit works well and as designed (still 4 years later), generator, lights, water heater, stove and the bathroom is wonderful. It's it's own little dressing room. We are very impress with the high quality, we believe it's a step up from the Leisure in this area. Although the Leisure is a nice unit, it's so important to have good equipment and a good thought process in function design. The Bathroom is gravity driven, therefore cleaning works wonderful all the time and is very quick. Seating in front drive area again wonderful can drive many hours with no back problem. Although we do have to set up the bed each evening ( takes all of 5-8 minutes), it is very comfortable and supports your back well, no topper needed. Again made with quality material and designed to function as needed. Having said this , I do agree the Leisure unity looks nicer, however when I want to have a Hot Ride I go to my BMW, we chose to have function and quality material 1st. We live is a wonderful place, it's always great to have choices , your views just need to know what's more important to them. Thanks for listening and as always we very much enjoy your channel....
Will Travel - thank you so much for sharing your owner experience. it's very valuable to viewers. I agree that there is no perfect RV. Both these coaches are excellent and so much depends on the individual buyer.
Wow love the new format of laying information on the parts. Great graphics. Your videos just keep getting enhanced.
really glad that you like my videos mah fah. thanks for watching!
Hi Neil. A simple recommendation when you are discussing the mechanical perspectives on two different vans . . . when discussing engine type, please add Horse Power (HP) and Torque (lbf∙ft) . . . I know these numbers are easily found if one goggles them, but since they are such important factors for new buyers, who are comparing different coaches, it would really help to make your videos a "one stop shopping" review. Also, if you could add whether the coach is front wheel or rear wheel drive, at the same time you are discussing the engine, so much the better for the same reason. BTW, I agree with the Unity over the XLTS. All the best.
Yes, Neil, I agree with you: Unity!
that's just my opinion! for others the XLTS will win. thanks for your comment!
That was not fair That like comparing Leisure twin bed to the pleasure way XLmb
Thanks Neil, I like that you spent some time on the mechanicals like electrical, tanks, and controls. But a huge difference between these two vans is the price with the Unity at $128K vs the XLTS at $145K. But disregarding the price, I have to give the win to the XLTS. It is such a beautiful interior with all that corian, the better electrical, and the fact that you can likely squeeze all this into a standard parking spot gives Pleasure-way the win.
Hi, Lisa. It was hard for me to make a choice on this one. There isn't one answer for everyone and the XLTS is a fine choice between these two for many. I'm glad that you appreciate what I do and thanks for sharing!
Great review Neil! Another thing that needs to be pointed out is that the Unity has ducted air. Not so on the Pleasure Way. This could make the Unity more comfortable and less noisy. I would love to see a comparison.
The pleasure way plateau ts air conditioner is so noisy it’s obnoxious
Hi Neil, I really appreciate your reviews. After much research it really came down to the PW XLTD or the LTV Unity TB to meet our needs. We decided on the Unity Twin Bed for all the reasons you discussed and ordered our van at the Pomona, Ca. RV show last week. We wanted the new 2019 Mercedes cab and chassis and expect delivery next May. Thanks again for all the information you provide. Best, DG
welcome to the RV lifestyle! very excited and happy for you. you will love your Unity TB. Great layout and setup. Congratulations and I hope you'll continue to watch my channel!
Dan Good - The wife and I ordered a 2019 LTV Unity FX at Pomona as well. Should be here in mid March. Congrats!
hey Dan, we were there too. ended up ordering the PW Ascent.
Christopher Salazar - Congrats on your new Unity FX, wish mine was coming in March. DG
Mark Steffen - Congrats on your new PW Ascent, it’s a beautiful van and top quality. DG
You have clearly found your calling!
Excellent job and assessments:)
Thank you
very nice of you to say. and yes, I really do enjoy doing these videos!
Your channel is pretty comprehensive. I like it. You have most definitely earned the subscription of this US Army combat action veteran. Hooah! 🇺🇸
I really love and appreciate all of your reviews. I have been looking at the Pleasure-way and Leisure Unity and after much research for me it really came down to the Warranty. At the price between both of them it’s a 2 year warranty for the Unity and a 5 year warranty for the Unity.
Yes, I totally agree. Storage and functionality puts LTV ahead of Pleasure-way. We would definitely buy the Island Bed model. I also like other vans such as the Travato 59GL, but my husband doesn't like any of the smaller "B's", but he totally loves this B+ (small C).
Thanks Neil! I have been considering the Leisure Travel Unity Island Bed. Love the idea of a totally separate bedroom with real mattresses and a door!
Hey Neil, I just discovered your channel and I really like it. It is not easy to find unbiased RV reviews on the Web. Especially with this kind of production value. You are like the Consumer Reports of the class B world! Many thanks. I just watched this comparison and have to side with the PW XLTS. Both are nice rigs but I wouldn't want to own anything above 23ft, if you do, it makes downtown driving and parking more difficult. Also, I've seen more than a few campgrounds that do not allow RV's over 24ft. I also like the build quality of all the PWs. True, I think the bathroom on the XLTS is overdone, too much corian, too much weight. And really how much time do we spend in the bathroom, compared to the other parts of the RV. The XLTS is the boxier look which isn't great but once you get away from those sleeker, shorter class B's nothing looks very good. I like the B+'s because of all the extra storage they afford. It's all a trade off and nothing is ever perfect. Best!
hi robert. welcome to my channel! thanks for sharing your thoughts on this comparison. I do love the xlts too. you can't really go wrong with it. there's no one perfect RV!
Neil, LOVE your reviews sir! I have a simple request for your videos going forward, which you may ignore I’d you wish. I find myself more and more dependent on a workspace for my laptop, backup drives and such. You touch on this in this video, however there some important features that owner need to consider; Stability, sitting position, can the TV be used (replacement assumed) as a second monitor for your laptop (eye level, forward back as well as up and down adjustment) and seating comfort, size, and most importantly height adjustments. Dining tables that ADJUST up and down as you wish are excellent, if the seating is comfortable. Having a work area is critical nowadays as we all seem to be tied to our devices more and more. Thanks!
Hi Neil, this is a very comprehensive review. Thank you. I would like to see a comparison of the quality of customer service between these two manufacturers e.g. given some common problems e.g. failed parts, etc. how long will it take the respective manufacturers to resolve the issue. How well does the quality of their "authorized service centres" compare? This isn't a simple task but it is certainly one that is of extremely high value to any potential purchasers.
When we used to backpack in the Rocky Mountains we referred to this as the bigger backpack theory. The bigger the pack the more stuff you didn’t need you stuffed in there and this added more weight. Really if you are on the road, how many extra stuff do you need.? The pleasure way has more than enough “storage”.
I have to agree. The Unity is more functional. Actually I like the twin bed layout better. But LTV has to start providing lithium batteries and auto start in their RVs.
The new RTB has twin beds, multiplex wiring, and AGS. You could always add your own lithium.
hey jay I will be reviewing the new RTB soon!
LTV doesn't even have a generator as standard?! That means you pay extra for it. No inverter either, I guess.
I love this unity......please review the unity cornerbed...i love the idea of a permanent dinette and bed...plus the extra room with a slide out....thanks Neil for your wonderful reviews
Unity hands down
Why does ever other RV continue with the 1970s interior ????
ikr, gloomy af
I am in love with Leisure Travel Vans and plan on buying a unity Rear Lounge!! I love their layouts, and how open and airy they are!!
Thank you Neil! As we continue to research and shop, your reviews and comparison videos have been absolutely invaluable. So far, the *LTV Unity **_IB_* is at the top of our list, and _by a wide margin._ And after watching this, we are happy to say, _it still is._ Although, I'm really hoping for a lithium battery bank soon.
Thank you for all your time and effort.
Thomas - really glad to hear that my videos are helping you! thanks for letting me know.
I love the Unity AND the XLTS. Either would make me happy, however, I do lean toward the Unity for the same reason you gave it the edge Neil. Functionality. Having the Corian is great but I love the bathroom in the Unity and the fact it has an actual bedroom. I do wish LTV would go to lithium batteries and hopefully hey will see the light on that soon. Also I have seen where LTV is starting to implement Multiplex wiring in some units. Awesome review!!
yep the lithium batteries can be upgraded after market as can the inverter. so then other than a better warranty the unity ib has a much better layout IMHO. if this were a comparison between the Unity MB and the Plateau XLMB it would harder to award the win to the Unity.
Great insight into both RVs! I normally don't even think about B+. The XLTS brought me here.
You got it right my friend, the unity is the way to go great presentation once again. You always keep me focused on what you’re talking about. As they say in the south stay thirsty my friend.
Great Review....as usual. And... I'd like to add some more comments -
1. I've had 5 Class B's over the Decades. ALL great vehicles. BUT.............As we've grown older and walking became more difficult for both of us...I found it hard for me and especially my wife (who I have to help) to move around the narrow aisle..especially in our last Class B (A 2016 Roadtrek Zion). And we're fairly small people. I would guess standard size buyers, with our condition, would have worse problems. We went to a Class B+ (A Thor Gemini) and navigation has become much easier.
2. Now that I have a slide out...I REALLY enjoy having the more "roomy" atmosphere when we camp. Our RV NOW mimics a small cabin or condo...being more "square" than "long"..... and is much more livable than our previous Class B's.
3. Also a Class B+ does NOT have to be for use "only during vacations". I drive mine to the store and am able to park in just about any standard parking slot in a lot, albeit, with a little "hangover". I can also easily park along the street without worrying about width.
4. I WISH ALL class B's and B+'s would come with an second alternator instead of a separate generator. Certainly a lot more quiet and you don't have to worry about depleting your propane supply while getting the 110 VAC you need to power up your microwave...aircon...and TV's. The second alternator was on the RAM engine and was standard on the Roadtrek zion.
5. I WISH Pleasure Way and Leisure would consider expanding their distribution network more widely in the USA. The nearest dealers are just too far for me to get to to purchase a vehicle and, more importantly, rely on for maintenance. Why both don't strike deals with big outlets like Camping World is a major question I have. Both companies make excellent vehicles but I'm afraid they take themselves out of the market by limiting access to their sales/service distributors..... to MILLIONS of potential customers.
Anyway...Thanks again for your excellent reviews!
Hey Neil, I love your unbiased reviews, there is a couple that is sponsored by an RV Company, and during their live feed, several people brought up "Pleasureway". The couple could not bring themselves to recommend anything other than the brand that they were being sponsored by. The funny thing is....that company took away their Motorhome for some reason so they are currently without one.
I have to agree with you on this review...I'd go with the Unity too.
Dave
Video needs updating for 2021 models.. Unity now has many standards that were mentioned as options in this video
Hi Neil
This was a great review of two of the RV's I am considering, though I am about 12 months out from a final decision due to scheduling. I just joined as an early access supporter as I want to encourage you in this small way to continue with your reviews. One quick thought and forgive me if I have missed it on your list of videos, I would be really curious to know if your growing base of viewers, might join forces with you to provide some product reliability / ownership experience data, specifically, product failure rates. Realizing this would be a rather small statistical data pool and so the results might need to be taken with a grain of salt, however it might also expose any major product shortcomings. As you have mentioned, manufacturer warranties vary greatly and terms are sometimes less than transparent. A basic question to your viewers asking for their 5 most significant product failures along with RV brand, model, age and milage might prove really interesting. Also any comments about servicing dealers and lessons learned. One more item, a future video topic for you, a deep dive into the top class B+ manufacturer's warranty terms and coverages. Thanks for your passion for this and the outstanding video library you have created for us.
first thank you so much for becoming a patron on Patreon. you are helping to finance my weekly reviews. it's a great idea that you have on working with actual owners. as my channel grows I'll try to figure out a way to make that happen. thanks for the suggestion!
In the pleasure way plateau ts the drawers are poor quality. The air conditioner is very loud other then that excellent RV
Better every week. Hey, I think your next comparison should be Dean (PW) versus Dean (LTV). Have each of these guys sell us on their model. That would be epic.
been trying to make improvements every week based on my own reviews and feedback. glad to hear that you feel it's working. would love to have a round table discussion. trying to figure out a way to make that happen. maybe at an RV show or something.
I'm not a Sprinter fan, but I value your perspective on all these rigs. I'm looking forward to your take on the 2019 Wonder RTB!
yep will doing it shortly.
Me too!
I flagged one down at Cape Disappointment this fall. What a great rig. My spouse is a diesel technician and is on the fence about the engine but I just love this model. I can't explain the engine concerns he has. I was listening but more looking like I was listening. That's how much I loved this unit.
No mention was made of the rear window in the pleasure way. That's a big advantage. A 180 degree view around the vehicle is very important.
80% of the time the best view at any campsite is at the rear.
Unity for sure... This is my dream, hope it will come true someday
Great Review. The 2020 Unity has corrected a number of negative items listed in this review. The LP generator has a self start feature. Lithium is a option, etc
Yes I agree with you. You have impeccable taste and I pay attention to your comments and advice.
The Pleasure Way may look upscale, but they wasted far too much of its carrying capacity putting Corian everywhere. Sometimes I think RV makers forget that people actually need them to be functional in the real world, not just look pretty.
This is a new world to me, and LOVE your graphics thru the video listing comparisons. Love this, thank you! I am on a huge learning curve, and your video's are helping! Thank you!
You are so welcome!
I have to agree with you Neil, the Unity is more practical even tho the bathroom is nicer in the XLTS, but chances are I'm not going to be spending much time in the bathroom, I plan to spend my time exploring the great outdoors, the bedroom and living spaces of the the Unity :) becoming a NOMAD requires a life style of simplicity and being practical, again Neil great job! I truly appreciate your input and what you do in making my choice a whole lot easier, keep up the excellent work, glad to have found you :)
The Unity Island Bed is my favorite of the two, at 25 feet.
But as far as short RVs I am awfully fond of Pleasure Ways Assent at only 19 feet.
And one of my other favorites is the Pleasure Way Plateau FL.
I just can't decide?
It's definitely worth it to me to have a fixed bed system, as I have 3 little Dachshunds who LOVE sleeping in Mom's bed, whether I'm joining them or not!
I really like Pleasure Way’s Quality But the Unity has the microwave up where I like it.
A freezer, and That Bed is the clincher I think too.
But the solar and the Bathroom are always great. When it comes time choose, I don’t know from the video I would need to walk in them and then I could make a choice better I think.
I always Appreciate Your Wonderful And well thought out Reviews.
Thanks Neil. Great review.
Best RV channel on TH-cam!
moondog33 - wow that's saying A LOT. thank you so much.
I like them both, but I too have to give it to the Unity. Great review!
I would have to win the Publishers' Clearing House sweepstakes to get my favorite of the two, the Unity. The separate bedroom won me over.
Thanks for the OCCC ratings. It's so important
Yep, I take Unity too. After all, old Dean says it best. The boy knows his bidness. What is multiplex wire? How much they tow? I'd need to tow.
multiplex wiring is how the electrical wiring is done inside the coach. standard wiring is much like what you may have in your home where lines are directly wired into a central fuse panel with independent leads switches and multiple ground wires formed into an octopus' nest of wiring harnesses. Multiplex wiring provides power to a common distribution center that is controlled by various switch panels (centralized control centers) via cat5 network cabling. each switch bank can be programmed to controls each light, fan etc. via software.
I would like to see you compare the Leisure Travel Vans Unity Twin Beds and the Leisure Travel Vans Wonder Rear Twim Beds
noted.,
It's nice. The rear lounge would be my favorite spot.
I think you are absolutely right. That is exactly what i want to find in 2021.
The Unity IB is my top choice when compared against any other B
The light decor at the end ,,,,,. Great,,,, no more rosewood !!!!!!!
Definitely agree with you on the UNITY
Every week I think, "this is my fav review", and it is....till next week. That first impression view of open space in the PW is quickly usurped by the permanent bedroom setup of the LTV. For me, both of them get demerits for not offering a compressor fridge. If I remember correctly from your past reviews, PW fit and finish is superior to LTV, so there's that. But Ultimately, IMO, the winner is the LTV.
i'm glad that you appreciate my reviews weekly Jennifer. I try hard to make them unbiased, fair, entertaining and information. I get better each week. it was really hard for me to choose but part of my brand is making the tough choice like every other buyer has to do. in the end I love PW but in this head to head the Unity wins. If it were a head to head between the XLTS MB and the Unity MB the pleasureway would likely win.
I agree I like the unity better, a permanent bed that has space on both side to make up the bed and get out of bed is a must have for me and the higher up outside hook ups reduses alot of bending over. Did you do a review on the twin bed model?
Hello Neil, So happy to have found your channel!! I’m currently trying to decide between Leisure Travel Vans Wonder and Unity (twin bed models.) Unfortunately, I haven’t found any videos comparing the two. Any chance you might consider shooting one? Kelley
Great video review.
Thanks for including the interior height for me.
of course Mark. Here to serve!
Thanks for this reviews. This really helps out in my decision making.
Glad I could help!
Hey Neil :) can you talk to Dean about having permanent bed options lol there could be so much more storage if raised up and permanent for those that don't want to tear down and remake
Love your reviews! Have a nice day:)
Vickie wait for my review next week of the Fleetwood IROK. I've got a surprise for you!
Oh I love surprises! Lol but will I be able to stop myself from Google??? ;;)
I love the unity. I needed something more stealth though. Great video. Thanks.
omg you’re really watching my old stuff 😝
The warranty differences should be discussed.
Also, why not compare Island Bed to Island Bed? Both the Unity and the PW XL come in different configurations - and may be better to compare like configs?
yep we will compare different layouts. This was the first and viewers voted on this comparison that's what I did! PW doesn't make an island bed unfortunately. I could do murphy bed to murphy bed.
Ultramobility Sorry, I apologize. For whatever reason, I thought PW had an island bed - my bad.
Thanks for keeping me straight !!!
Wish u will make a video of “small RV fit family” or “ Less than 25feet RV with 3 or 4 seats”
I agree. The Unity takes the prize!
Great review. We are strongly edging toward a Unity SB with 4 solar panels and will resupply it with lithium batteries.
I love the Unity, it's beautiful.
I definitely would go with the Unity IB
I was wondering when Dean would appear I wasn’t disappointed
That's a great well versed comparison between the two.
many thanks glad you find it helpful!
Agreed!! Wish the Unity didn't have those curved cabinet doors.
Very well done comparison but I will admit to and accept my bias on the Pleasureway.....LTV is a good product but PW is a GREAT product!
I second that assessment. PLEASUREWAY IS A GREAT PRODUCT
Unity IB is my favorite. Thanks for the vid
You must review the new Coachman Crossfit.
Your RV videos are excellent
thank you!
I agree with Neil the Unity all the way, another great review 👍
I would also prefer the Unity over the Plateau XLTS, except for one very important factor......warranty. Pleasure Way' s warranty is five years, while the Leisure Travel warranty is only one. They both look very nice, but I suspect the long term quality/reliability is higher in the Pleasure Way.
I believe the LTV warranty is 2 years.
Still, I would rather have a short warranty that I didn't utilize rather than a long one that got a lot of use. Under warranty, if your RV is tied up in the shop for weeks or months (and it happens!) you're not compensated.
Are you saying that the Unity is more reliable and has a higher level of quality than the Plateau?
Not at all.
Please take my post as a generalization only. Just saying that the length of a warranty isn't the only factor at work here.
Also keep in mind that the warranty is on manufacturer items only. I believe that components like water pumps, refrigerators, etc. carry their own warranty, which may be significantly shorter than the manufacturer's.
I think it's time to review Hymer Aktiv S
Unity has it. More practical and the newer ones do have more as well in 2 generator options, larger inverter, multiplexed controls and app connectivity .
One question: I owned an LTV MB and it was not a four season coach. I have heard the Pleasure Way is a four season coach? BTW, loved the LTV but was just a bit too small so sold it. Have a Newmar New Aire on order. Not too big, not too small...and great for glamping!
Informative comparison. I wish I could have the positives from both LTV & PW.
yep. this one was a tough one. I love PW but that island bed layout in a 25 foot van just takes the cake.
Ultramobility I like the Murphy bed (60”X80”) layout in the LTV, but the electronics in the PW has my attention. Is there a 3rd party way of upgrading to lithium & 200 watt inverter with auto-start generator?
yep you can upgrade after market to lithium and you can upgrade the inverter as well. not terribly complicated but you would likely need to find a specialist to do it.
I would have to go with the Unity over the XLTS. The problem with Leisure is their small dealer network on the East Coast. We ended up getting the Tiffin Wayfarer TW also on the MB 3500 and like it very much. We took the bedding out of the overhead cab area and use it strictly for storage.
JR thank you so much for sharing your experience. LTV's dealer network is strained as is Pleasure-ways unfortunately.
JP, how have you liked your Tiffin TW ? We are looking to move from B to B+ ( or small C ) and it's between the Tiffin TW, PleasureWay XLTS or Leisure. We are concerned about the 1 yr ( vs 3-5 year warranty ) on the Tiffin - seem's way too short? Like you there are limited (1) Leisure dealers in Texas which is a consideration for us. Multiple dealers certified for Tiffin and Pleasureway.
Chad Schittone : Chad, we really like our Tiffin Wayfarer TW. It’s small enough to get around town and large enough to be comfortable and have a
Dry Bath as well as adequate storage. We took the mattress out and use the bunk area for additional storage. Tiffin customer service is second to none. I would not worry about the warranty all that much. You can buy an extended warranty. The problem with the others is mostly lack of storage and the wet bath! I guess there are trade offs. So decide what is most important to you. JR
Can you do a review of the Regency Ultra Brougham IB, or perhaps a comparison with the Leisure Travel Vans Unity IB?
Great review Neil
Thanks for this. It’s so helpful!
Neil, nice review, could you double check the occc on leisure travel. At the Hershey shoe I looked st the yellow sticker and it was much lower. It’s the same chassis as pleasureway.
Thanks
yes I have a picture of the sticker from the door and it reads 2031 lbs. each unity will have a different occc rating which also varies by installed options.
Neil, I just looked again and most are around 1200 not 2000, the unity you saw could be part of the recall (Triple E RV recalls 752 RVs for incorrect cargo capacity on the decals) I have email the company to get the numbers rvdailyreport.com/owner/product-recalls/triple-e-rv-recalls-752-rvs-for-incorrect-cargo-capacity-on-the-decals/
BTW Thanks for all the work you do!
Neil your doing a great job but what needs to be reviewed is quality and service with manufacturers something that is missing. It’s nice to see new RVs but how do they stand up.
The Unity is my favorite Van.
then you're glad it won right!?
I agree how do you compare it to the new concept Unity?
you mean the xlts vs the new ltv concept unity?
Excellent review, as always.
Very close choice here.
The price difference is accounted for by higher end equipment and fittings on the xlts.
However, the much larger storage on the Unity would be hard to turn down.
For me, at the end of the day, for class Bs, you need the dual use of the sleeping area.
In the Unity, to permanently dedicate the whole back half of the RV for use as a bedroom doesn't make sense.
Outstanding review Neil, this is an interesting pair of rigs that I really like. Completely agree with you on the Unity edging out the win. Really impressive OCCC but I believe that is without the generator?
Neil I want to compare the Winnebago Trend and the
Dynamax Rev
I love the Unity. Great design and c'mon lottery numbers
Glad you like it!
i like pleasureway plateau murphy bed. but i hope they shrink it down to 21ft and get rid of heavy corian
Yes! some B+ action. Not sure either of these would suit me. Each has different good and bad points. While I have never seen one in person I still think I would prefer the Pleasure-way Plateau XLMB. I'm guessing that model is a rare bird since I have never seen a review of one besides the videos that Pleasure-way puts out themselves.
Excellent review and comparison. Thanks!
LTV really needs to incorporate the wiring/ags/lithium batteries that PW has already. LTV also absolutely needs to match PW's warranty or at least go to 4 years. In many other ways, as you pointed out, LTV has some nice advantages. If I keep waiting, maybe they'll get there. Glad to see a gasoline Sprinter coming. Thanks for all of your reviews/info.
unfortunately In my opinion I don't believe that LTV will ever up their warranty. they appear to be going down in quality and not up...
@@Ultramobility Well then, I hope PW will look at reviews of yours and comments like mine and copy LTV's advantages over them, while maintaining their own advantages. Then I'll buy one; retired and ready to go.
I like the Unity IB.
Awesome review, thanks Neil. I love the LTV IB too! Could you provide the dimensions on the driver seat desk table area? On the Plateau? How far back is from the dividing line cabin-lounge. The table seems like 6" plus 4" the knee space when seat is face back. Can you confirm? Thank you!
I have to agree with your choice. But it is difficult to pass on the lithium and solar. I think a lot will come and go in the next couple of years before we are ready to buy.
yep. I predict that LTV will move to lithium by then.