Watch my honest review of the LTV Wonder here: th-cam.com/video/RUpG-Okxju8/w-d-xo.html Watch my review of the Airstream Atlas here: th-cam.com/video/ptxAaZdEwmk/w-d-xo.html Want to see more comparison videos? Watch my Comparisons playlist: th-cam.com/video/P6uZDedAG7s/w-d-xo.html
Respectfully, for me, you talk about how dark the Airstream is...granted dark cabinets and black ultra leather.....you could have shown the lighter option....but would have also been more fair to show the Airstream without all the blinds down......you had the blinds shut in all the pictures as I recall, and open in the Wonder. Bias is a word that comes to mind.
Please do video comparisons between Leisure Wonder Murphy Bed vs Thor Gemini RUV 23TB. Both are a similar price, but a different config with Gemini can sleep up to 3 people.
I think this review is your touchstone masterpiece. You’re use of sweeping camera angles, superimposed graphics combined with your speaking cadence and intelligent comments make your videos above the rest.
Have a 2019 atlas and absolutely love it. It has everything as standard so no waiting for upgrades. Easy to drive and it really turns some heads in the campgrounds.
I've test driven both chassis it's no comparison the FORD by for more power better handling on a windy day the FORD will cruise 65 mph with no problem the Mercedes was struggling to reach 55 mph and felt very top heavy I'm a 28yrs experienced truck driver I know what I'm talking about, the Wonder is about 85% perfect, four things should change 1st it has the right engine but should be programmed for 250hp and 450 to 500 torque, 2nd an electric air compressor with heavy duty air suspension shocks so when it's windy at the touch of a button stiff up the suspension, 3rd 2 burner induction cook top and real oven beneath it, and 4th DIESEL GENERATOR is a must have I bet you could get all four upgrades for less than 5k and then the Wonder will be 100% perfect!
I just watched this so I’m late to the party. Thank you ever so much for this comparison. From your video and the balanced views of both units, my choice would be the Wonder. Your topics of what to compare was a great choice. I have watched many videos but yours is the first that discusses the issues around slides. I had not heard that before. Many thanks again!
Its truly refreshing to hear unbiased and common sense reviews of motor coaches for a change. Not sure why this is but I'm glad you are doing them, very much needed! As your channel grows please don't let the RV builders buy your influence. We need folks like you speaking truth to power.
You need to check your math. To say one is $100K more than the other when you don't add in the non-standard cost of options on the Wondre is misleading. This is our first look at this size vehicle, and you sold us on the Airstream! Thanks.
Terrific review Neil. You really these head to head comparisons. Congrats on the 14k followers. Seems like you just cleared 10k a few months ago! Your hard work and dedication are paying off. I’m for the Wonder!
Love this, and love the Wonder. Another big plus for the Wonder, IMO, is the availability of Ford mechanics/parts vs MB. Every small town in the USA has a mechanic that can work on a Ford diesel engine. I really like the Transit as a good compromise between the beautiful Sprinter and the homely Promaster.
Jennifer the Ford diesel is going to have an interesting future I think. it's going to give the sprinter a run for its money precisely for the reasons that you mention.
Fantastic review as usual. I appreciate your work and subjective opinions. The Atlas has a standard 3.2kw Onan Quiet Diesel Generator not a 2.8kw as you noted. The Wonders generator is optional and runs on LP gas hence the larger propane tank necessary for prolonged operation . The Atlas generator operates on diesel drawn from the engines fuel tank. Solar panels are standard on the Atlas, optional on the Wonder. You mention features standard on the Atlas that are not available on the Wonder. Power Stabilizer jacks, Air Ride Suspension, and other standard safety features. It would appear that Airstream checked every option box MB offered except 4WD for the Atlas. Additional items to think about, Body width is 4.5" wider on the Atlas and that's with the slide retracted. The overall height of the Wonder is taller while the interior headroom is lower in the Wonder. Floor lighting is standard on the Atlas as shown in your video however it's not rope lighting.. I'm just under 6 feet tall and didn't have any issues stretching out on the Atlas's bed while testing it. Sheets are available from AS and each unit comes with a sheet set. I did some measurements on my house king bed and believe a fitted king sheet should work in the Atlas as a fitted bottom sheet has elastic sewn into it and should take in any slack. A panel drops down at the head of the bed and pillows would rest there. I have heard that the bed can be lowered into position with the slide in. Don't know for sure as I didn't try it. The recliner sofa in the Atlas has a metal frame and is equipped with seat belts but no shoulder harness. Counter space is at a premium in any camper van and the Atlas is no exception. Possibly additional prep space could be utilized by using the counter space available when the TV is retracted. Not ideal but doable. Overall I didn't experience a closed in feeling while walking through the Atlas. The one I toured had the dark walnut cabinets so that might be worst case scenario. I tried to operate every function but the slide was out and I didn't want to retract it. Everything worked well and I found almost everything very intuitive and well placed. The rest room/shower is a palace with plenty of room in the shower. Spending any amount of money on a class B motor home or any camper for that matter is taken very seriously by me. I'm still looking!!!!
this is such a great comment thank you so much for posting! you're right I did get the generator wrong! I try to triple check but this one must have slipped by. thanks for pointing that out.
I'm sure I'm pretty ECD about a lot of things when it comes to Class B's and B+ units. I drove about an hour and a half to just see the interior of an Atlas. I saw the exterior of a new one at a state campground in southern Ohio. A young lady owns it and I didn't want intrude by asking to see the interior. I was very impressed with it by just viewing the exterior. As far as the generator goes, it's a big deal for me to have it operate on the same fuel as the engine runs on. I currently use a Honda generator to power my TT when I'm on the road. It's just something else I have to deal with.
Thank you so much for all your videos! We are deciding between the Atlas and the Unity MB. There is a considerable price difference. We would really appreciate your thoughts between these 2 vans. In particular, the reliability and build quality. Thanks again for sharing your fantastic expertise.
Dean at LTV already won me over in his video on the Wonder, but this video does a great job of comparing the Wonder to a much more expensive RV and shows how it still beats the competition. That's good to know.
I actually like the look of the Wonder better and noticed on their website that they have other floor plans. I liked the twin bed in the back personally. Nice comparison video.
I like the wonder too. I liked the atlas but the $200k+ price range was such a turn off. still for folks who are already in an Airstream and want to downsize then this is likely the way to go.
Great comparison. Caught my attention with the Wonder as I like the floor plan. I have zeroed in on the Winnebago View 24d (Murphy bed). Sprinter based small class-C, but very similar in size to the Atlas (seems like a fine line in calling one a class-B vs. class-C). Would love to see you review the View 24D as I value your insights.
Interesting video. I've been watching Wonder videos for a while. They certainly offer some clever engineering features to gain flexibility in a small space and they appear to be of good quality. While like you, I'm not a big fan of slides, I would have preferred to see a comparison of their murphy bed model built on the Sprinter chassis with the slide. It would have been a more comparable comparison, and the Wonder would probably offer similar equipment to the Atlas in this model, while still being significantly cheaper. This configuration also allows for a walk around bed. Love the exterior styling of the Atlas, clean and classy. The interior of the Atlas while having high end finishes and materials just doesn't seem to justify the price. There seems to be a big size gap when going from a B Plus to a C. Wondering why there isn't anything in the 28 to 30 FT range. I think these chassis are pretty much maxed out at 24 considering their power output and load carrying capacity, but it would seem there are other options out there.
What about comparison of outside storage, cockpit amenities? Failed to note that Wonder is a side sleeper bed, requiring a climb over, where Atlas is a walk-around bed. Still, quite a $$ difference.
Wow! We are looking into something just a little larger than our Travato 59g. It’s fine for the money, but I wish I had been watching your comparisons. Thanks to you I’ve narrowed it to the Wonder or the Pleasure Way Murphy Bed model. You helped us eliminate the Atlas!
really glad to hear that my videos are helping you narrow in to your perfect RV. I made the same mistake when I purchased my first RV which is why i started the channel.
Excellent video, so well presented, thank you. The Wonder looks like it may have more floor space for our dogs to walk and lay around on. which is a big consideration for us. We have a rescue Greyhound and a rescue Dachshund.
Thanks for this review it was very helpful. The Atlas is a nicer vehicle but not $100K nicer. My favorite and will be pulling the trigger soon on the 2020 Wonder FTB.
I've seen a few times where B+ coaches use a pop-up or hideaway TV. It sounds great to repurpose the space when you are not watching TV. I can foresee a problem I would have. Like any horizontal surface you have in a limited space, you WILL use it to "put stuff on". Once that stuff is put, you are going to have to move it all to watch TV. Maybe others would be more disciplined but I have a knack for spreading out to consume all the available real estate.
Thanks Neil, another great review. I totally agree with your assessment. It is so hard to compare all the different models. It usually boils down to a hybrid (features from more than one model!). Thankfully, we have options and people like you who enjoy comparing those options! Safe travels.....
I don't think you were fair in identifying the lighting. On the Atlas, you had all the blinds closed. But on the Wonder, the blinds were all open. 2:46 vs 4:02
Do an updated comparison on 2020/2021 models. Wonder has modified considerably. Also, if you are going to comment on lighting and sunroof, open the screen on sunroof on the Wonder... it was a misleading statement
I really love your review and face to face. We are in the process of buying a B+ RV. Would like a face to face between Leisure travel van Unity Twin bed and Pleasure Way XLTD.
I completely agree. The odd bed size and awkward galley of the Atlas was a killer for me, as well as the price. I'm 6'2". A 73" square bed was a no go. I thought the Wonder would be helped with a diesel generator to preserve propane for hot water, refrigerator and the furnace. Also, in spite of similar HP and torque ratings, the Wonder is only rated for 3000 lbs. towing while the Atlas is rated for 5000 lbs. Transmission upgrade for the Wonder perhaps? I would want to tow my Wrangler with an inflatable pontoon fishing raft in the back which could top out at around 4000 lbs. I'm sold on the Wonder except for this one issue. I currently own 33' class A, but the thought of downsizing is very appealing. I know there are other class B's that would fit my criteria, but I have only seen the ones with a wet-bath, sit down closet. Stand up shower only! And I love the Murphy bed design. (Airstreams are overpriced. They're beautiful and well built, but you're overpaying for the name)
Roger Starkey Hymer Aktive 2.0 will be my next RV, as soon as I can get rid of my 2017 Thor Axis. Still, I hope I can buy those B+ or C made in Europe someday.
I'll take the Wonder over the Atlas! We've owned an RV with an odd size bed~ it's a PAIN! A cramped bathroom/shower~it's NOT Worth it! Don't even get me started on an unorganized galley~ugh! Makes cooking impossible not to mention storage issues!! Thank you for the comparison! Loved it!
I would have bought a Wonder but their dealer network in the East is not very good. I ended up ordering a Tiffin Wayfarer. Should pick it up next week. Thanks for the reviews.
I had a chance to test drive both chassis in perfect weather conditions high winds and the FORD by for is the best way to go acceleration, torque, but was blown away by the handling at cruising speed the Mercedes handled ok in high winds if your going to stay around 45mph, cruising 65mph in the FORD it just kept asking for more I had to set the cruise, the FORD just makes more since all the way around with a few minor changes I'm sold on the WONDER they are going to sale a lot of those RVs!
Thank you so much Neil. I can't tell you how much I needed to see this. My wife and I have been RV shopping for a long time. And we discovered that our ideal RV is not available in North America.⒈ As a result of our not being able to find our ideal RV, we have had to reconsider _everything,_ and decided to downgrade to a 23-25 ft Class C ─ just so that we have the ability to make a quick run to the store, go sight-seeing in a new city, and especially to a hospital, if necessary. My wife and I are not in the best of health, and it has always been her dream to travel around and see the US in an RV. And I will do whatever it takes to make that dream come true. *_Anyway_* . . . I apologize for my verbosity. It's so easy when you're using talk-to-text. So, we decided to look for a small Class C. This limits our ability to boondock like we prefer. And as full-timers that's a real disappointment. I was even hoping to add extra water tanks, solar and lithium battery bank ( and in the case of the two you show here, I'm hoping that is still an aftermarket possibility). Sadly, I found I have to do more research on weight allocations. I'm in the dark when it comes to that. It is just the two of us, and (as I may have mentioned in another comment section) we are not fans of how _every_ manufacturer seems to want to sleep 400 people in every unit, which takes up valuable space. We liked what we saw in the smaller *Thor Siesta* and *Gemini.* The skylight, instead of an upper bunk, is a nice bonus. Because we've only recently widened our search to include Class B+ vehicles, we were made aware of the *Airstream Atlas* and *Interstate* only just last night. And I was _soooo_ happy. The quality of Mercedes, and we both have always loved Airstreams. And I must admit, when I saw some of the videos directly from Airstream and Mercedes-Benz, the marketing got to me a bit. I might've walked right out and purchased one right then and there ─ _but then you came along._ The price savings alone, would make up for any lack of quality, purchasing options, or aftermarket remodeling we may want to do. *Thank you for this video.* I'm going to continue looking at smaller Class C's as well as more B+ units. Your information has been invaluable. I mentioned to you before, that even though I was looking at the larger units, your videos on tips and things to watch out for I've been so helpful. ⒈Reference: Concorde Charisma 920G👉 th-cam.com/video/mdTUjZaVaD0x/w-d-xo.html
thanks for sharing this thomas and i'm glad that you find my channel helpful. I hope to expand out to class c rigs soon so maybe that will also be helpful!
I have "plans" to retire in a couple of years and get the motor home I have dreamed of for too many years. I had been completely stuck on the Leisure Travel Van Unity Twin Bed Or Island Bed, but now i think i can seriously consider the Wonder. I'll be looking for an island bed model of the Wonder. You may have already compared them, and I expect the Unity will win out, but the Wonder sure is looking better and better. I looked at a Wonder a few years ago in St. Louis at Van City RV (nice people), and have to say the layout on that 2014 was pretty nice. I'll be looking for used 2018 twin bed in a couple of years so people, please buy them so i can get a nice used one. Thank you. :)
I can do a comparison between the wonder and the unity IB. I should do a poll to see if viewers want some comparisons. I've been cranking out the reviews recently and no comparisons.
Another great video, Neil. Man, I sure wish your coverage was broader, as in covering Class C's and Class A's. Your reviews are some of the best out there. BTW, am I the only person who noticed Dean crushing his glasses and cell phone here th-cam.com/video/P6uZDedAG7s/w-d-xo.html , when he lowered the Murphy bed...or maybe there is enough room on the table to not have stuff on there get smashed?
lol I totally noticed him crushing his glasses and decided to leave it in! good spot and thanks for the compliment. appreciated. I'll branch out to class a and c once I get class b's mastered.
I know this is two years old, but the bed goes down with the table intact, without crushing glasses, lol. There is space between the two pieces of furniture.
Dame that was a great comparison. I have been in love with the atlas for a while now but was like Dame two hundred thousand?...this leisure for one hundred thousand less is not so bad...
Hey Neil, another great informative video. I've been looking at the Thor 24 TF & wondered if you could do a review on it. Thanks for performing these reviews, they're very educational for a rookie RVer like myself. God Bless my friend.🇺🇸
Nathan thank you so much - I'll eventually break out into class C's. need to get things rolling with class b and b+'s and ensure that I'm creating videos that everyone enjoys and finds valuable. still tweeking formats.
Ultramobility - thanks for the quick reply Neil, I received inaccurate info from Thor, I thought it WAS a class C, they said it was a B+, after watching your videos, I know the difference. Anyway, thanks again. 🇺🇸
A better comparison would be the Leisure Unity Murphy Bed model and the Atlas. I believe the the Unity wins hands down on all of the important points made.
Another great review Neil! You are an expert videographer. Can you help me understand why the Wonder (and/or other makes & models) can not be up graded to lithium batteries? Is this due to the wiring. I’m a newbie trying to weigh all Class B and B+ options, and plan to be off grid as much as possible. It seems lithium the way to go coupled with adequate solar.
hi kd harrigan - you could take any rv and upgrade to lithium after market. there are companies that do this. nothing really special about the wiring. you need a new bms but that's about it.
it's amazing when I put it into context that you could buy a brand new wonder plus a brand new aktiv for the price of the atlas. thanks for watching as always Claude!
Great review and I nailed it as far as which RV would win. The Wonder series is amazing. It may not have metal stuck everywhere but it is still very classy and modern and at a much better price point. I am seriously considering a Wonder, now to decide on a layout! :-)
I will buy the Atlas. Top of the line and Airstream holds it's value. A Mercedes will outlast a Ford. I have always purchased Ford products and have a Lincoln Continental so I am not against Ford Vehicles, but it looks cheap inside.
Love this one - The Wonder. Looks like it could be viable for full-timing. Can you update the technology after the fact? I know that one can add more solar panels, but can you replace the batteries with lithium ones and switch to a stronger inverter? Thank you for your help.
Got rid of our motorhome, flew, rented a car, nice Airbnb apartment for 14 bucks per day. Just questioning the motorhome concept. Even state parks want over 30 bucks a night, use to be nice at a buck per night. Can get a flat tire in a motorhome on a holiday weekend when all tire dealers are closed, gone are the days with full service gas stations, but a wonderful place to buy beer. Better check the weather, frost tonight, better get out there and drain and blow all the lines. Even your gray and black tanks can freeze up.
I enjoyed this video very much and this was created at such a high quality production. I have a quick question about vans that are under 21 feet or around 20 feet. Which would you suggest for a 2 week trip with 4 to maybe 5 people. I am not sure if that is entirely possible at all but any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thank you for the information in advance.
hi there thanks! i can't really recommend any class b van for 4 or 5 people. you'd be better moving to a class C or small class a. you'll appreciate the room and sleeping berths.
Watch my honest review of the LTV Wonder here: th-cam.com/video/RUpG-Okxju8/w-d-xo.html
Watch my review of the Airstream Atlas here: th-cam.com/video/ptxAaZdEwmk/w-d-xo.html
Want to see more comparison videos? Watch my Comparisons playlist: th-cam.com/video/P6uZDedAG7s/w-d-xo.html
Respectfully, for me, you talk about how dark the Airstream is...granted dark cabinets and black ultra leather.....you could have shown the lighter option....but would have also been more fair to show the Airstream without all the blinds down......you had the blinds shut in all the pictures as I recall, and open in the Wonder. Bias is a word that comes to mind.
Neil, I'd enjoy a show on your insight and experience in using wifi and LTE extenders.
Please do video comparisons between Leisure Wonder Murphy Bed vs Thor Gemini RUV 23TB. Both are a similar price, but a different config with Gemini can sleep up to 3 people.
Ultramobility open the curtains!
I dont like the leisure travel at all
I think this review is your touchstone masterpiece. You’re use of sweeping camera angles, superimposed graphics combined with your speaking cadence and intelligent comments make your videos above the rest.
Have a 2019 atlas and absolutely love it. It has everything as standard so no waiting for upgrades. Easy to drive and it really turns some heads in the campgrounds.
Thanks a bunch for making this video. I’ve watched it now at least 12 times. I’d love to see an updated versions for 2021?
I'll take the wonder! Good job in explaining everything between the two.
really glad that the comparison helped you !
I've test driven both chassis it's no comparison the FORD by for more power better handling on a windy day the FORD will cruise 65 mph with no problem the Mercedes was struggling to reach 55 mph and felt very top heavy I'm a 28yrs experienced truck driver I know what I'm talking about, the Wonder is about 85% perfect, four things should change 1st it has the right engine but should be programmed for 250hp and 450 to 500 torque, 2nd an electric air compressor with heavy duty air suspension shocks so when it's windy at the touch of a button stiff up the suspension, 3rd 2 burner induction cook top and real oven beneath it, and 4th DIESEL GENERATOR is a must have I bet you could get all four upgrades for less than 5k and then the Wonder will be 100% perfect!
I just watched this so I’m late to the party. Thank you ever so much for this comparison. From your video and the balanced views of both units, my choice would be the Wonder. Your topics of what to compare was a great choice. I have watched many videos but yours is the first that discusses the issues around slides. I had not heard that before. Many thanks again!
Its truly refreshing to hear unbiased and common sense reviews of motor coaches for a change. Not sure why this is but I'm glad you are doing them, very much needed! As your channel grows please don't let the RV builders buy your influence. We need folks like you speaking truth to power.
Unbiased?
Great review! I agree 100% with your review! Everyone should be watching your reviews!
thank you so much Jon! spread to the word!
You need to check your math. To say one is $100K more than the other when you don't add in the non-standard cost of options on the Wondre is misleading. This is our first look at this size vehicle, and you sold us on the Airstream! Thanks.
This is the best review I've seen for any product. Amazon needs to hire you to help people virtually shop
Terrific review Neil. You really these head to head comparisons. Congrats on the 14k followers. Seems like you just cleared 10k a few months ago! Your hard work and dedication are paying off. I’m for the Wonder!
Thank you very much! I'm trying hard to improve my videos and make them more valuable for all of you!
Love this, and love the Wonder. Another big plus for the Wonder, IMO, is the availability of Ford mechanics/parts vs MB. Every small town in the USA has a mechanic that can work on a Ford diesel engine. I really like the Transit as a good compromise between the beautiful Sprinter and the homely Promaster.
Jennifer the Ford diesel is going to have an interesting future I think. it's going to give the sprinter a run for its money precisely for the reasons that you mention.
the Ford has a gas engine. no diesel available. not in a LTV product anyway.
Fantastic review as usual. I appreciate your work and subjective opinions. The Atlas has a standard 3.2kw Onan Quiet Diesel Generator not a 2.8kw as you noted. The Wonders generator is optional and runs on LP gas hence the larger propane tank necessary for prolonged operation . The Atlas generator operates on diesel drawn from the engines fuel tank. Solar panels are standard on the Atlas, optional on the Wonder. You mention features standard on the Atlas that are not available on the Wonder. Power Stabilizer jacks, Air Ride Suspension, and other standard safety features. It would appear that Airstream checked every option box MB offered except 4WD for the Atlas. Additional items to think about, Body width is 4.5" wider on the Atlas and that's with the slide retracted. The overall height of the Wonder is taller while the interior headroom is lower in the Wonder. Floor lighting is standard on the Atlas as shown in your video however it's not rope lighting.. I'm just under 6 feet tall and didn't have any issues stretching out on the Atlas's bed while testing it. Sheets are available from AS and each unit comes with a sheet set. I did some measurements on my house king bed and believe a fitted king sheet should work in the Atlas as a fitted bottom sheet has elastic sewn into it and should take in any slack. A panel drops down at the head of the bed and pillows would rest there. I have heard that the bed can be lowered into position with the slide in. Don't know for sure as I didn't try it. The recliner sofa in the Atlas has a metal frame and is equipped with seat belts but no shoulder harness. Counter space is at a premium in any camper van and the Atlas is no exception. Possibly additional prep space could be utilized by using the counter space available when the TV is retracted. Not ideal but doable. Overall I didn't experience a closed in feeling while walking through the Atlas. The one I toured had the dark walnut cabinets so that might be worst case scenario. I tried to operate every function but the slide was out and I didn't want to retract it. Everything worked well and I found almost everything very intuitive and well placed. The rest room/shower is a palace with plenty of room in the shower. Spending any amount of money on a class B motor home or any camper for that matter is taken very seriously by me. I'm still looking!!!!
this is such a great comment thank you so much for posting! you're right I did get the generator wrong! I try to triple check but this one must have slipped by. thanks for pointing that out.
I'm sure I'm pretty ECD about a lot of things when it comes to Class B's and B+ units. I drove about an hour and a half to just see the interior of an Atlas. I saw the exterior of a new one at a state campground in southern Ohio. A young lady owns it and I didn't want intrude by asking to see the interior. I was very impressed with it by just viewing the exterior. As far as the generator goes, it's a big deal for me to have it operate on the same fuel as the engine runs on. I currently use a Honda generator to power my TT when I'm on the road. It's just something else I have to deal with.
Design is key and functionality will always trump luxury in my book. Thanks for the great review!
Thanks for watching!
Would the unity be a better comp?
Keep these head to head videos coming Neil! ! Um...PWTS please and thank you ;) lol
Thank you so much for all your videos! We are deciding between the Atlas and the Unity MB. There is a considerable price difference. We would really appreciate your thoughts between these 2 vans. In particular, the reliability and build quality. Thanks again for sharing your fantastic expertise.
Dean at LTV already won me over in his video on the Wonder, but this video does a great job of comparing the Wonder to a much more expensive RV and shows how it still beats the competition. That's good to know.
I actually like the look of the Wonder better and noticed on their website that they have other floor plans. I liked the twin bed in the back personally. Nice comparison video.
I like the wonder too. I liked the atlas but the $200k+ price range was such a turn off. still for folks who are already in an Airstream and want to downsize then this is likely the way to go.
On the Wonder - I don't believe the driver seat swivels. Love your channel thank you for doing the work for us.
Great comparison. Caught my attention with the Wonder as I like the floor plan. I have zeroed in on the Winnebago View 24d (Murphy bed). Sprinter based small class-C, but very similar in size to the Atlas (seems like a fine line in calling one a class-B vs. class-C). Would love to see you review the View 24D as I value your insights.
Great review. Was surprised you did not do it with the Unity MB it has slide out like the Atlas. Anyhow love your videos
Interesting video. I've been watching Wonder videos for a while. They certainly offer some clever engineering features to gain flexibility in a small space and they appear to be of good quality. While like you, I'm not a big fan of slides, I would have preferred to see a comparison of their murphy bed model built on the Sprinter chassis with the slide. It would have been a more comparable comparison, and the Wonder would probably offer similar equipment to the Atlas in this model, while still being significantly cheaper. This configuration also allows for a walk around bed. Love the exterior styling of the Atlas, clean and classy. The interior of the Atlas while having high end finishes and materials just doesn't seem to justify the price. There seems to be a big size gap when going from a B Plus to a C. Wondering why there isn't anything in the 28 to 30 FT range. I think these chassis are pretty much maxed out at 24 considering their power output and load carrying capacity, but it would seem there are other options out there.
Thank you for this. We rely like the Wonder twin bed model. The 2019 has a new phenomanal exterior storage pass through storage compartment.
will be reviewing the new model when I can get my hands on it!
Ultramobility 4 months have gone by, Neil. I would love to see your review of the Leisure Travel W24RTB. Is it coming soon?
I would of love it if you could include the cargo carry capacity and how well the unit fits into a normal parking space.
What about comparison of outside storage, cockpit amenities? Failed to note that Wonder is a side sleeper bed, requiring a climb over, where Atlas is a walk-around bed. Still, quite a $$ difference.
Wow! We are looking into something just a little larger than our Travato 59g. It’s fine for the money, but I wish I had been watching your comparisons. Thanks to you I’ve narrowed it to the Wonder or the Pleasure Way Murphy Bed model. You helped us eliminate the Atlas!
really glad to hear that my videos are helping you narrow in to your perfect RV. I made the same mistake when I purchased my first RV which is why i started the channel.
Excellent video, so well presented, thank you. The Wonder looks like it may have more floor space for our dogs to walk and lay around on. which is a big consideration for us. We have a rescue Greyhound and a rescue Dachshund.
The Wonder(ful) !!! I prefer the Wonder FTB....I hope you get a chance to look into that model.
thanks TM Davidson. I'll look for one.
hustling to buy this wonder the soonest. Thanks for the review...
Awesome video, u know I love the wonder.. it’s my favorite b+ camper.. 😁
I love the wonder too! it's a great class c+ for the price. thanks for watching Craig.
Thanks for taking the time to make a wonderful comparison but more importantly, your honesty.
Always!
Spot on review. But that 40 inch TV! Come on Wonder , we gamers need some size!
Fantastic video Neil!i think the wonder is pretty wonderful!thanks for all the work you put into these!i really enjoy them.
Ruth really glad that you've stuck with me and continue to enjoy my channel! thanks for watching!
Thanks Neil great review. I agree Wonder great value for price.
Thanks so much Brian!
Not to mention all the storage leisure vans has. Their unity twin bed can’t be beat in storage
Thanks for this review it was very helpful. The Atlas is a nicer vehicle but not $100K nicer. My favorite and will be pulling the trigger soon on the 2020 Wonder FTB.
Thanks for watching!
I've seen a few times where B+ coaches use a pop-up or hideaway TV. It sounds great to repurpose the space when you are not watching TV. I can foresee a problem I would have. Like any horizontal surface you have in a limited space, you WILL use it to "put stuff on". Once that stuff is put, you are going to have to move it all to watch TV. Maybe others would be more disciplined but I have a knack for spreading out to consume all the available real estate.
yep great point. many people don't even see the need for a tv in an rv. they say the purpose is to get out and enjoy wherever you are...
@@Ultramobility I agree, but every once in a while you need to get your Netflix on.
hope Neil is going to review wonder rear twin bed in near future. Thanks for the great review.
it's on my radar!
well done Neil from australia. Our motorhomes are so expensive over here and dont have anywhere near the features that you guys have.
If the Volta Power System was available on the LTV Wonder FTB, I'd truly be in love 100%.
thanks for sharing S. Lane Porter!
great video! I'm not really impressed with Atlas overall (except for the bathroom). the Wonder is quite a value! love the materials & finishes thanks
Respect everything you say.
Keep up the good work. 🚌🚍
Your the m--. I mean person👍✊
Excellent video. Lots of work involved to bring this professional outcome to us. Greatly appreciated and suscribed!
Thanks for the sub!
Thanks Neil, another great review. I totally agree with your assessment. It is so hard to compare all the different models. It usually boils down to a hybrid (features from more than one model!). Thankfully, we have options and people like you who enjoy comparing those options! Safe travels.....
Frank I'm glad that you appreciate the work that I do. I appreciate that you watch and enjoy my videos!
I don't think you were fair in identifying the lighting. On the Atlas, you had all the blinds closed. But on the Wonder, the blinds were all open. 2:46 vs 4:02
Do an updated comparison on 2020/2021 models. Wonder has modified considerably. Also, if you are going to comment on lighting and sunroof, open the screen on sunroof on the Wonder... it was a misleading statement
I really love your review and face to face. We are in the process of buying a B+ RV. Would like a face to face between Leisure travel van Unity Twin bed and Pleasure Way XLTD.
I completely agree. The odd bed size and awkward galley of the Atlas was a killer for me, as well as the price. I'm 6'2". A 73" square bed was a no go. I thought the Wonder would be helped with a diesel generator to preserve propane for hot water, refrigerator and the furnace.
Also, in spite of similar HP and torque ratings, the Wonder is only rated for 3000 lbs. towing while the Atlas is rated for 5000 lbs. Transmission upgrade for the Wonder perhaps?
I would want to tow my Wrangler with an inflatable pontoon fishing raft in the back which could top out at around 4000 lbs. I'm sold on the Wonder except for this one issue.
I currently own 33' class A, but the thought of downsizing is very appealing. I know there are other class B's that would fit my criteria, but I have only seen the ones with a wet-bath, sit down closet. Stand up shower only! And I love the Murphy bed design.
(Airstreams are overpriced. They're beautiful and well built, but you're overpaying for the name)
The Leisure Unity design looks good on the Mercedes chassis, but it has the same designed galley as the Atlas.
Will we ever be able to buy B+ and C RVs designed and manufactured in Europe in the US? They seem to lead these 2 by at least 5 years.
Hymer?
Roger Starkey Hymer Aktive 2.0 will be my next RV, as soon as I can get rid of my 2017 Thor Axis. Still, I hope I can buy those B+ or C made in Europe someday.
I'll take the Wonder over the Atlas! We've owned an RV with an odd size bed~ it's a PAIN! A cramped bathroom/shower~it's NOT Worth it! Don't even get me started on an unorganized galley~ugh! Makes cooking impossible not to mention storage issues!! Thank you for the comparison! Loved it!
the best comparison ever. thank you for sharing. i have my eye on the wonder but I would like a lithium package.
Thank you!
I would have bought a Wonder but their dealer network in the East is not very good. I ended up ordering a Tiffin Wayfarer. Should pick it up next week. Thanks for the reviews.
I had a chance to test drive both chassis in perfect weather conditions high winds and the FORD by for is the best way to go acceleration, torque, but was blown away by the handling at cruising speed the Mercedes handled ok in high winds if your going to stay around 45mph, cruising 65mph in the FORD it just kept asking for more I had to set the cruise, the FORD just makes more since all the way around with a few minor changes I'm sold on the WONDER they are going to sale a lot of those RVs!
Excellent comparison!
thank you Rixanne!
Well done....you do a great job at these breakdowns...
thank you so much genecop coppola!
Thanks for this! It's really helping me decide where to start.
Glad it was helpful!
Very Well Done, the Airstream is a Luxury Vehicle but the LTV is Reality Vehicle!
that about sums it up perfectly!
Thank you so much Neil. I can't tell you how much I needed to see this. My wife and I have been RV shopping for a long time. And we discovered that our ideal RV is not available in North America.⒈
As a result of our not being able to find our ideal RV, we have had to reconsider _everything,_ and decided to downgrade to a 23-25 ft Class C ─ just so that we have the ability to make a quick run to the store, go sight-seeing in a new city, and especially to a hospital, if necessary. My wife and I are not in the best of health, and it has always been her dream to travel around and see the US in an RV. And I will do whatever it takes to make that dream come true.
*_Anyway_* . . . I apologize for my verbosity. It's so easy when you're using talk-to-text.
So, we decided to look for a small Class C. This limits our ability to boondock like we prefer. And as full-timers that's a real disappointment. I was even hoping to add extra water tanks, solar and lithium battery bank ( and in the case of the two you show here, I'm hoping that is still an aftermarket possibility). Sadly, I found I have to do more research on weight allocations. I'm in the dark when it comes to that.
It is just the two of us, and (as I may have mentioned in another comment section) we are not fans of how _every_ manufacturer seems to want to sleep 400 people in every unit, which takes up valuable space. We liked what we saw in the smaller *Thor Siesta* and *Gemini.* The skylight, instead of an upper bunk, is a nice bonus.
Because we've only recently widened our search to include Class B+ vehicles, we were made aware of the *Airstream Atlas* and *Interstate* only just last night. And I was _soooo_ happy. The quality of Mercedes, and we both have always loved Airstreams. And I must admit, when I saw some of the videos directly from Airstream and Mercedes-Benz, the marketing got to me a bit. I might've walked right out and purchased one right then and there ─ _but then you came along._
The price savings alone, would make up for any lack of quality, purchasing options, or aftermarket remodeling we may want to do. *Thank you for this video.* I'm going to continue looking at smaller Class C's as well as more B+ units. Your information has been invaluable. I mentioned to you before, that even though I was looking at the larger units, your videos on tips and things to watch out for I've been so helpful.
⒈Reference: Concorde Charisma 920G👉 th-cam.com/video/mdTUjZaVaD0x/w-d-xo.html
thanks for sharing this thomas and i'm glad that you find my channel helpful. I hope to expand out to class c rigs soon so maybe that will also be helpful!
@@Ultramobility Fantastic!
Wonder is nice design in the interior but I'm disappointed appointed in the bowl that's near to the reft and exposed from the bed even it has a door..
Oh yes im subscribing! I like uour voice it wont get me a panic attack unlike other vloggers. 😂 And very informative too.
"why thank you very much Wyble Montano" he says in his best vlogging voice!
Great Video, thanks! Although I don't plan on purchasing a B+ van, I do enjoy these comparison videos.
excellent to hear because we've got a slew of them coming up. i really enjoy doing them and I find that they are really helpful to people.
Very good video I'm with you on the decision all the way
thanks rccomo! thanks for watching and commenting as always!
Yeah! I knew it! PW and LTVs are my favorites. Both well designed and fitted, both represented by a Dean!
glad you enjoyed it susan!
How come the blinds were closed and the blinds were open on the wonder in the lighting test?
Hi! Love your videos! Maybe do a review of a Coach House RV in the future? Thanks!
I have "plans" to retire in a couple of years and get the motor home I have dreamed of for too many years. I had been completely stuck on the Leisure Travel Van Unity Twin Bed Or Island Bed, but now i think i can seriously consider the Wonder. I'll be looking for an island bed model of the Wonder. You may have already compared them, and I expect the Unity will win out, but the Wonder sure is looking better and better. I looked at a Wonder a few years ago in St. Louis at Van City RV (nice people), and have to say the layout on that 2014 was pretty nice. I'll be looking for used 2018 twin bed in a couple of years so people, please buy them so i can get a nice used one. Thank you. :)
I can do a comparison between the wonder and the unity IB. I should do a poll to see if viewers want some comparisons. I've been cranking out the reviews recently and no comparisons.
Very nice review, tyvm. I totally agree with ur points on Wonder, however, my big concern is storage. I’ll have to look at their storage. Thx again.
hey monna I thought I put up the exterior storage? it's 38 cu. ft.
Ultramobility, thanks, that’s a good amount, I think about as much in my SUV.
Another great video, Neil. Man, I sure wish your coverage was broader, as in covering Class C's and Class A's. Your reviews are some of the best out there.
BTW, am I the only person who noticed Dean crushing his glasses and cell phone here th-cam.com/video/P6uZDedAG7s/w-d-xo.html , when he lowered the Murphy bed...or maybe there is enough room on the table to not have stuff on there get smashed?
lol I totally noticed him crushing his glasses and decided to leave it in! good spot and thanks for the compliment. appreciated. I'll branch out to class a and c once I get class b's mastered.
I know this is two years old, but the bed goes down with the table intact, without crushing glasses, lol. There is space between the two pieces of furniture.
Dame that was a great comparison. I have been in love with the atlas for a while now but was like Dame two hundred thousand?...this leisure for one hundred thousand less is not so bad...
Great comparison video. Love the wonder.
Would like a review of the Wonder FTB. Hope you make one.
Marcarmen Cuadro me too
I'll short list it for the next round of reviews for you and others.
Great review, thank you
Thanks for watching!
Awesome review! I was sold on the Atlas until this.
thank you!
Hey Neil, another great informative video. I've been looking at the Thor 24 TF & wondered if you could do a review on it. Thanks for performing these reviews, they're very educational for a rookie RVer like myself. God Bless my friend.🇺🇸
Nathan thank you so much - I'll eventually break out into class C's. need to get things rolling with class b and b+'s and ensure that I'm creating videos that everyone enjoys and finds valuable. still tweeking formats.
Ultramobility - thanks for the quick reply Neil, I received inaccurate info from Thor, I thought it WAS a class C, they said it was a B+, after watching your videos, I know the difference. Anyway, thanks again. 🇺🇸
This issue is resale value. U can resale the talus 5 years later for a good price. Depreciation?
A better comparison would be the Leisure Unity Murphy Bed model and the Atlas. I believe the the Unity wins hands down on all of the important points made.
Very interesting video me and you have the same taste I myself chosen the Wonder to for the price for the atlas I could almost buy 2 wonders
Correction I have not seen an Atlas new under 220k so the price variance is greater than you even. Estimate.
Absolutely love your videos!!
Another great review Neil! You are an expert videographer. Can you help me understand why the Wonder (and/or other makes & models) can not be up graded to lithium batteries? Is this due to the wiring. I’m a newbie trying to weigh all Class B and B+ options, and plan to be off grid as much as possible. It seems lithium the way to go coupled with adequate solar.
hi kd harrigan - you could take any rv and upgrade to lithium after market. there are companies that do this. nothing really special about the wiring. you need a new bms but that's about it.
Yes you're right Neil, Triple E is a winner vs Airstream in this segment, and price wise, ouf what a difference, see you next time.
it's amazing when I put it into context that you could buy a brand new wonder plus a brand new aktiv for the price of the atlas. thanks for watching as always Claude!
Even to upgrade all the things I would want on a wonder, it would still cost a boat load less than by the wonder. Plus the atlas uses plastic latches.
Yep no positive locking cabinets on the Atlas! a fully loaded Wonder is tens of thousands less than an Atlas.
Thank you for you're review.
My pleasure!
i would like the option to have no sunroof if it let you have 600 watts of Solar panels on the Wonder....
Good review of the insides of the vans, but both do have wheels, so why not compare how they drive?
dealers won't let me test drive them.
What's the price on the wonder?
Great review and I nailed it as far as which RV would win. The Wonder series is amazing. It may not have metal stuck everywhere but it is still very classy and modern and at a much better price point. I am seriously considering a Wonder, now to decide on a layout! :-)
The Wonder is a great price and you get a lot of RV for your money. good choice!
Does the wonder meet the “positive latching” requirement?
One more suggestion for a comparison, the new airstream 19 vs the PW ascent
yep will do that one as well.
Hi! How did you buy your van in Canada and brought it to California? I was told by a Canadian dealership that they don’t sell to US residents. Thanks!
At the time of purchase I was a Canadian resident who eventually moved back to the United States
Love these battles. Fun!
glad you like them as much as I love making them!
I will buy the Atlas. Top of the line and Airstream holds it's value. A Mercedes will outlast a Ford. I have always purchased Ford products and have a Lincoln Continental so I am not against Ford Vehicles, but it looks cheap inside.
quick comment...@ timestamp 10:20 did that guy crush his glasses?
good eyes (pun intended) John. Yes. Yes, he did.
I would love to purchase an Atlas...but not worth extra $100K over an Unity-Murphy Bed model.
Thanks Neal for the review! What's your take on LT's quality? Is it up to PW standards? Thanks and keep up the great work!
nope not up to PW standards. they used to be but on the Wonder it seems they've cut corners to keep the price point down.
Love this one - The Wonder. Looks like it could be viable for full-timing. Can you update the technology after the fact? I know that one can add more solar panels, but can you replace the batteries with lithium ones and switch to a stronger inverter? Thank you for your help.
Got rid of our motorhome, flew, rented a car, nice Airbnb apartment for 14 bucks per day. Just questioning the motorhome concept. Even state parks want over 30 bucks a night, use to be nice at a buck per night.
Can get a flat tire in a motorhome on a holiday weekend when all tire dealers are closed, gone are the days with full service gas stations, but a wonderful place to buy beer.
Better check the weather, frost tonight, better get out there and drain and blow all the lines. Even your gray and black tanks can freeze up.
Can you do a review or comparison that includes the Tiffin Wayfarer? It would be much appreciated. Thanks
I enjoyed this video very much and this was created at such a high quality production. I have a quick question about vans that are under 21 feet or around 20 feet. Which would you suggest for a 2 week trip with 4 to maybe 5 people. I am not sure if that is entirely possible at all but any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thank you for the information in advance.
hi there thanks! i can't really recommend any class b van for 4 or 5 people. you'd be better moving to a class C or small class a. you'll appreciate the room and sleeping berths.