the harry potter analogy don't really make sense cuz everything in the game matters unless a seeker catches the snitch which is damn near impossible, harry is just a good seeker in fact he is the only seeker to catch it in the entire series 7 times, and had the fasted broom in the world, aside from Viktor Krum in pro play or Angelina Johnson once who went on to play pro. btw the sova tech is crazy never seen any of those
ACKTCHUALLY - In the Harry Potter universe, a game of quidditch cannot legally end until the snitch is caught. The ONLY exception is if both captains agree to end the game! It's canon apparently that some games have lasted multiple days. harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Quidditch > (some games could go on for days if the Golden Snitch was not caught)
That is true. However, catching the Snitch doesn't guarantee victory; it earns you 150 points and ends the game. If the opposing seeker catches the snitch and your team is leading by exactly 150 points, it would result in a tie, while if your team has more than a 150 point lead, you would win despite the catch. Therefore, the scoring becomes important for tournament placement and point spreads, even winning a match. All of those reasons were seen in the 1994 world cup that ended with Ireland's victory, even though Bulgaria's seeker, Viktor Krum, which I referenced above, caught the snitch. Ireland had a 170-10 lead and the game ended 170-160. Also can be found at harrypotter fandom. It's also funny that in the first movie, Oliver Wood tells Harry that catching the snitch results in a win, (another reason why movies are a separate universe) which may create a Mandela effect for some lol.
@6henny443 technically catching the snitch doesn't result in a win, but under normal circumstances, the team who catches the snitch will always win. 150 points is an insane amount, a lead like that is very hard to get - and the other team won't be too keen on catching the snitch if you have that lead. "What about in the goblet of fire?" - why do you think the Weasley's bet was worth so much? Because they bet on something that never happens. JK Rowling simply doesn't know how to design a sport, quiddich is very dumb
hooj because of you i’ve heard kids say “nice comms” irl while playing UNO. even if it wasn’t your fault i blame you. whether i think this is a bad thing or not i don’t know yet, but clearly you are the most influential banana on the planet
@@turtle_fps you want a personal list? 1) I don't have the time or discipline for consistent, quality practice 2) My mental is hilariously fragile (no idea how to work on that) 3) I don't play enough ranked nor deathmatch 4) When I do play, I am often matched with higher ranked/seemingly better players and those games leave me frustrated with little idea of what to improve on 5) My friends are all around or lower ranked than me. If I climb too much, I can't play with them. Similarly, playing games with them drags down my RR. etc.
Thank you for this extensive guide! I found that other guides focus too much on certain meta comps while others focus too much one pure "setups" and "lineups". And a big plus for including Harbor. I remember that Tuyz put a lot of time into the agent during LOCK//IN and the ideas behind him were really unique in their Viper+Harbor comp. Even though it isn't really applicable to ranked, I found that the progrssive "layering" of Harbor and Viper walls on B to segment the push was impressive. Much love as always banan hooj
this gets me so mad dude, when he talks, in hindsight it seams like common sense but until then it wouldn't cross my mind. I learned so much from him, his the G.O.A.T.
Thank you for the icebox guide! Now my team yells at me when I play agressive on A and they say "reyna why do you push pipes? just hold site" or "Viper stop watching fcking mid help A" and I am fucking losing my mind I want my Pearl and Haven back in the map rotation p.s. You're posting THE BEST guides on valorant
I have recently subbed to you and just watched videos 2hrs ago and I got my second match of ranked as Icebox and played viper did all the things the things u said in the video (mostly including the jumping mechanics) and top fragged won the game 13-5. I was never so happy learning something new, implementing it and it working out. Thanks a lot, Woohoojin Banana warrior. I will be ranking up watching ur vids.
This is great. I stopped playing right before icebox was added to the game and started playing again when it was out of rotation and now it's back so im usually completely lost.
While I enjoyed the tech heavy map guide... this is clean and so useful. Especially all the examples in tier two and streams, plus in house game to watch makes this such an amazing guide for me. Thank you Woohoojin! I got to of gold because of you (from Iron)!
Wow. I never realized how much I’m missing in my gameplay. There is so much potential for me to improve and so much I’m missing out on. Insane. I’m gonna STUDY every one of ur vids.
Hooj watching viper lineups from another channel reminds me of a doctor googling how to do doctor stuff lmao (I'm not saying it's bad, just find it funny)
Let’s GOOO I’ve been waiting for this a while cause my viper(ice and breeze ) is way worse than omen and breeze guide helped so much. Best Coach in the World❤ Edit: b4 any1 asks so far I’ve actually used hoojs viper on ice guide
Man said on stream "I don't think I'll make an Icebox guide similar to my breeze guide, I already did that and the map hasn't changed that much", then proceeds to make this masterpiece
is there a video dedicated or covering these "minigames" for each map? I actually found the split minigame helpful for when i play the map and I would like to know what minigames other maps have
Hey hooj - I didn't see it in the vod so I'm curious, why no Cypher on this map? I feel like while he may not be able to hold mid as effectively as, say, a Killjoy, but I'd feel like his cages would make mid lurking somewhat decent (especially with lineups) and his trips are probably better than any kj setup for holding site. Additionally, there are some decent cam spots for spotting mid, and his trips have gotta be better for map control on offense, and you could be anywhere bc there's no range limitation for them. There are also some giga cam spots on offense for spotting mid rotations and lurks from the enemies, and makes getting timings pretty easy. Am I missing something? Is kj just that strong it makes all other sentinels obsolete? Also what about deadlock /j
did he ever mention why peeking from the side of pipes was worst than on top of pipes? just remember him saying from the side of pipes was terrible like why is peeking from the side of pipes terrible? thanks!
I got a question. You said omen isn’t as good of an agent on this map but if you had viper or harbor, could you play him as another duelist? I’m an omen one trick so I was curious where he would be most useful
Idk if it works against gekko wingman, but an angle i personally frequently abuse is standing back near boiler to see into topsite A. I havent limit tested it, but i know it can see the topsite plant, and its a one-way angle on certain areas in topsite.
hey hooj, I'm rather sick, and needed something to do. thanks for the guide, my headache is worse but my brain is developing fr I've been unintentionally playing as the seeker this whole time as omen. If Omen is acceptable, I will continue with him (tps), otherwise I guess its time to finally learn some viper
For oping on a site from heaven or hell, where should I put my crosshair vertically to hold at the start of the round? Should it be around the gate or up on belts. Often I am confused where to look and have to flick and potentially miss on a free pick
Hooj I just wanna mention the fact that there is a box feature in valoplant while you were making this video you just didn't notice it till yesterday xD W guide tho ty
Hey! I've been excited for the icebox guide! I did have a question that was brought up but never really answered. Why shouldn't you peek the bottom part of pipes? This comes from a yoru perspective that watches Eggster, who *frequently* peeks that angle when defending A.
I tried the KJ stuff, on defense the alarm bot just gets shot up right away. It also sometimes gets dashed by. I want KJ's mollies and ult, but I really just like using Cypher and playing basically the same as pre-patch Icebox (except the kitchen trip is thrown just before the window so they can't jump out of window without hitting the trip.
hi woohoojin can you please tell me what is my problem instead of aiming and moving im only moving and not aiming which i cant fix it at all can u give me any tipes please
the harry potter analogy don't really make sense cuz everything in the game matters unless a seeker catches the snitch which is damn near impossible, harry is just a good seeker in fact he is the only seeker to catch it in the entire series 7 times, and had the fasted broom in the world, aside from Viktor Krum in pro play or Angelina Johnson once who went on to play pro.
btw the sova tech is crazy never seen any of those
ACKTCHUALLY - In the Harry Potter universe, a game of quidditch cannot legally end until the snitch is caught. The ONLY exception is if both captains agree to end the game! It's canon apparently that some games have lasted multiple days.
harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Quidditch
> (some games could go on for days if the Golden Snitch was not caught)
That is true. However, catching the Snitch doesn't guarantee victory; it earns you 150 points and ends the game. If the opposing seeker catches the snitch and your team is leading by exactly 150 points, it would result in a tie, while if your team has more than a 150 point lead, you would win despite the catch.
Therefore, the scoring becomes important for tournament placement and point spreads, even winning a match. All of those reasons were seen in the 1994 world cup that ended with Ireland's victory, even though Bulgaria's seeker, Viktor Krum, which I referenced above, caught the snitch. Ireland had a 170-10 lead and the game ended 170-160. Also can be found at harrypotter fandom.
It's also funny that in the first movie, Oliver Wood tells Harry that catching the snitch results in a win, (another reason why movies are a separate universe) which may create a Mandela effect for some lol.
@6henny443 technically catching the snitch doesn't result in a win, but under normal circumstances, the team who catches the snitch will always win. 150 points is an insane amount, a lead like that is very hard to get - and the other team won't be too keen on catching the snitch if you have that lead.
"What about in the goblet of fire?" - why do you think the Weasley's bet was worth so much? Because they bet on something that never happens.
JK Rowling simply doesn't know how to design a sport, quiddich is very dumb
@@evilduck5691 its not dumb it makes perfect sense lol. and the scoring matters
@@6henny443 the scoring only matters if a team is leading by 150, which is explicitly stated in the books to almost never happen.
hooj because of you i’ve heard kids say “nice comms” irl while playing UNO. even if it wasn’t your fault i blame you. whether i think this is a bad thing or not i don’t know yet, but clearly you are the most influential banana on the planet
Good comms that’s hilarious
world banana domination. literally playing icebox rn
What are you even comming bro 😭
Homie glazin the banana
@@tomasmoment i’m not even playing with them i’m just listening while i study and they are such curious creatures
The quality of these map guides just keeps going up my puny silver 3 brain is in awe
How are people even in silver?
@@turtle_fps wdym?
@@turtle_fps you want a personal list?
1) I don't have the time or discipline for consistent, quality practice
2) My mental is hilariously fragile (no idea how to work on that)
3) I don't play enough ranked nor deathmatch
4) When I do play, I am often matched with higher ranked/seemingly better players and those games leave me frustrated with little idea of what to improve on
5) My friends are all around or lower ranked than me. If I climb too much, I can't play with them. Similarly, playing games with them drags down my RR.
etc.
@@turtle_fps they play less than you. i spent 1000 h on this game thats why im asc3
@@itsmyfavgameseries I literally placed silver 1 the first time I played, at account level 20
I missed the stream of the guide, I'm so thankful that Woohoojin makes these guides for free and uploads them on youtube. Keep up the good work!
it's on the Woohoojin VODS channel already. have fun
Thanks for letting me know! I didn't know :D@@mArtyrGG
wow that’s such a cool intro. Whoever made it must be really cool!
yeah they are probably really cool
handing the medal to yourself I see
Acknowledging that you handed the medal to yourself I see@@CommentBanana
WAIT DO YOU EDIT FOR HOOJ?!
no I just made this one intro, I do him thumbnails though@@DaviJohns
Thank you for this extensive guide! I found that other guides focus too much on certain meta comps while others focus too much one pure "setups" and "lineups". And a big plus for including Harbor.
I remember that Tuyz put a lot of time into the agent during LOCK//IN and the ideas behind him were really unique in their Viper+Harbor comp. Even though it isn't really applicable to ranked, I found that the progrssive "layering" of Harbor and Viper walls on B to segment the push was impressive.
Much love as always banan hooj
including the in-house and vod review after was so useful!! your explanations feel like common sense and is so digestible
this gets me so mad dude, when he talks, in hindsight it seams like common sense but until then it wouldn't cross my mind. I learned so much from him, his the G.O.A.T.
THANK YOU. I've been struggling ever so slightly with rustiness on Icebox after it was reintroduced to the map pool.
46:00 Finally got around to studying the whole thing, and I just love it when things click together, this is an amazing guide banana man!!
Damn, I am about to watch some high level movie right here, 1 hour and 43 minutes and awsome quality.
Thanks for the teaching
Thank you for the icebox guide! Now my team yells at me when I play agressive on A and they say "reyna why do you push pipes? just hold site" or "Viper stop watching fcking mid help A" and I am fucking losing my mind I want my Pearl and Haven back in the map rotation
p.s. You're posting THE BEST guides on valorant
Thanks for the cool post plant one way! I’ll be sure to go out of my way to throw it every round on attack!
WOOOOHOOOO (JIN) i needed this!!!!! (i had a 4v5 icebox game which i took to 13-15, im still not over it)
I have recently subbed to you and just watched videos 2hrs ago and I got my second match of ranked as Icebox and played viper did all the things the things u said in the video (mostly including the jumping mechanics) and top fragged won the game 13-5. I was never so happy learning something new, implementing it and it working out. Thanks a lot, Woohoojin Banana warrior. I will be ranking up watching ur vids.
This is great. I stopped playing right before icebox was added to the game and started playing again when it was out of rotation and now it's back so im usually completely lost.
I am excited to engage in this feature length film! Thank you woonhoonjean!
The quality of this is insane Hooj, keep it up!
While I enjoyed the tech heavy map guide... this is clean and so useful. Especially all the examples in tier two and streams, plus in house game to watch makes this such an amazing guide for me. Thank you Woohoojin! I got to of gold because of you (from Iron)!
I love how much effort you put into these map guides hooj. Super helpful!
It's actually here , your guide to breeze has helped me so much and Icebox is my favorite map (yeah i know)
Thanks so much for what you do !
U could use gekko wingman and harbor cove right to deny mollys? Im curious if that would work
To deny the deniers that is
this is slated to be gigabanger coach vid of the month. I feel like the production and "storyboarding" is so good for a video this long.
so random but when u illustrated the quidditch game it looks like a face so funny
the first hour is the actual guide, the last 40 min are some games on icebox
YES WOOHOOJIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been trying to find a good icebox guide for ages.
WOOHOOJIN NEVER DISAPPOINTS!! I’ve heard abt this guide for so long didnt think it would literally be a length of a movie
thank you for the guide banana man i feel like the minigame part of your guides are the most op info on the planet. LY
15:52 there is actually a dart at the big pipe in the middle of the bomb that scans both site and behind yellow!
been waiting for this, thank you banana lord 🍌🍌🍌
YOOOO IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS GUIDE, SO HYPED ❤❤❤
Going to start sending vods next act compiling the playbooks and stuff rn as a sova main all the tec was so beautiful to see
Wow. I never realized how much I’m missing in my gameplay. There is so much potential for me to improve and so much I’m missing out on. Insane. I’m gonna STUDY every one of ur vids.
I love that this content is all free, thanks a lot Hooj
2:47 with the skye nerfs I would not be surprised if we saw a lot more geko in the pro scene.
OCEAN MAN TAKE ME BY THE HAND LEAD ME TO THE LAND 🌊🌊🌊
Shoutouts to laundry GOAT playing Harbor in the inhouses 🔥
Intro went unnecessarily hard
"A glorious guide to Icebox"
That intro gave me chills, that was so cool!
Man i've had confidence breakdowns because of this map, thank God Hooj is here to save our soloQ!!
20:14 got me laughing “ the bread and butter of Sage🥲”
NEW WOOHOOJIN JUST DROPPED
thank you so much, i've been having such a hard time with this map so i'm super happy i finally understand how to play icebox.
Hooj watching viper lineups from another channel reminds me of a doctor googling how to do doctor stuff lmao (I'm not saying it's bad, just find it funny)
watched this this morning, played gekko and got match MVP. i was never able to win this map before. thank you very much wooho
I really wanna play chamber on icebox, but now that ik kj is the best sentinel here, I think I'll play kj here...
Your minigame explanations are super helpful for someone like me who comes from league
I literally have a 0% WR on Icebox and finally the video I need to learn this map is out, thank you Wooj 🤝
almost 2 hours?! you're the goat.
Can we talk about how cool the intro is
Let’s GOOO I’ve been waiting for this a while cause my viper(ice and breeze ) is way worse than omen and breeze guide helped so much. Best Coach in the World❤
Edit: b4 any1 asks so far I’ve actually used hoojs viper on ice guide
Man said on stream "I don't think I'll make an Icebox guide similar to my breeze guide, I already did that and the map hasn't changed that much", then proceeds to make this masterpiece
is there a video dedicated or covering these "minigames" for each map? I actually found the split minigame helpful for when i play the map and I would like to know what minigames other maps have
pre poval message day 1 we all appreciate you as much as him hooj you’re awesome ❤❤
i waited 1 month for this. thank you hooj! keep up the great work :3
As soon as I heard the phrase “Denying plant denial” I knew this would be another woohoojin masterclass.
I have been waiting on this! Just got clapped on icebox, NEVAH again!
Im 1 week into the over aim drill and i can feel its working 💛
The intro though 🔥
Does anyone know where I can find the playbooks shown at 36:34?
FINALLY!! iv been wating soo long for this video
Waited for this for so long… needed sunset guide too pls
Hey hooj - I didn't see it in the vod so I'm curious, why no Cypher on this map? I feel like while he may not be able to hold mid as effectively as, say, a Killjoy, but I'd feel like his cages would make mid lurking somewhat decent (especially with lineups) and his trips are probably better than any kj setup for holding site. Additionally, there are some decent cam spots for spotting mid, and his trips have gotta be better for map control on offense, and you could be anywhere bc there's no range limitation for them. There are also some giga cam spots on offense for spotting mid rotations and lurks from the enemies, and makes getting timings pretty easy. Am I missing something? Is kj just that strong it makes all other sentinels obsolete?
Also what about deadlock /j
yooo this is what I ASKED FOR LIT
LITERALLY ASKED RECENTLY THANK YOU WOOHOOJIN
did he ever mention why peeking from the side of pipes was worst than on top of pipes? just remember him saying from the side of pipes was terrible like why is peeking from the side of pipes terrible? thanks!
Probably bc the verticality makes it harder to aim at head level as an attacker at ground level
the first lineup for sova i needed was the chamber trip one and got our chamber an ace lurking
Perfect I just got back into valorant after 2 months this is perfect for me
I got a question. You said omen isn’t as good of an agent on this map but if you had viper or harbor, could you play him as another duelist? I’m an omen one trick so I was curious where he would be most useful
Idk if it works against gekko wingman, but an angle i personally frequently abuse is standing back near boiler to see into topsite A. I havent limit tested it, but i know it can see the topsite plant, and its a one-way angle on certain areas in topsite.
Nice video this series will help me about my game sense keep up the good work man
Map knowledge is more important than character knowledge. Thank you so much good sir.
I needed this so much. Thank you hooj.
what everybody was waiting for, WE CHEERED 🎉🎉🎉
Cant believe i just sat here and watched a 2h video. so entertaining!
hey hooj, I'm rather sick, and needed something to do. thanks for the guide, my headache is worse but my brain is developing fr
I've been unintentionally playing as the seeker this whole time as omen. If Omen is acceptable, I will continue with him (tps), otherwise I guess its time to finally learn some viper
Man i needed this so bad I started the game when this map was out of rotation so my impact is generally very less compared to my kills
Gecko has already been seen on icebox quite a bit even in pro play, 100t ran it the other day and it was a masterclass
honey wake up, new hooj guide just dropped
For oping on a site from heaven or hell, where should I put my crosshair vertically to hold at the start of the round? Should it be around the gate or up on belts. Often I am confused where to look and have to flick and potentially miss on a free pick
Im sitting here watching this during my no work classes at school on a half day and im learning so much
honey wake up, woohoojin icebox guide just dropped
nice been waiting for this time to grab a snack and learn
Hooj I just wanna mention the fact that there is a box feature in valoplant while you were making this video you just didn't notice it till yesterday xD
W guide tho ty
This was needed!
YESSS ITS FINALLY HERE
I don't play Val anymore and I'm still going to watch all of this
Icebox: The Movie
We making it out of silver with this one 🔥🔥🔥
Hey! I've been excited for the icebox guide! I did have a question that was brought up but never really answered.
Why shouldn't you peek the bottom part of pipes? This comes from a yoru perspective that watches Eggster, who *frequently* peeks that angle when defending A.
Hooj quick question. Why is cypher not a good agent for icebox?
I tried the KJ stuff, on defense the alarm bot just gets shot up right away. It also sometimes gets dashed by.
I want KJ's mollies and ult, but I really just like using Cypher and playing basically the same as pre-patch Icebox (except the kitchen trip is thrown just before the window so they can't jump out of window without hitting the trip.
Why no pheonix😢 there’s so much tech especially fighting yellow and A site on attack
I dont even play val. Well i used to. But i love watching your coaching videos and these beacuse they are so entertaining
I been waiting for this
THANK YOU WOOHOOJIN. I will let this video cook on my commute to work you epic banana man ❤
13:19 bruh I cant figure out how to jump there from the zipline
great stuff. i wonder how long it took for this video to be made. its as long as a movie
you out did yourself my new favorite video
Insane guide
Truly the best banana, ty Hooj!
My 80% icebox winrate about get even better, thanks hooj
hi woohoojin can you please tell me what is my problem instead of aiming and moving im only moving and not aiming which i cant fix it at all can u give me any tipes please