ND filter vs Polarizing CPL filter, which do I use and why
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- What's the best ND filter? Maybe an ND is not what you need. Depends. People talk a lot about ND filters, but many don't realize the creative power a CPL polarizing filter holds. A polarizer is also an ND filter (about 1.5 to 2 stops) but it does oh so much more. For example, an ND darkens everything, including white puffy clouds, but a CPL filter darkens the blue sky only and leaves the clouds alone! Also, which filter brands are best? Tiffen? B&W? Polar Pro? Nope. Do I use variable ND filters? Nope. Never. Not in my world. Find out.
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This video has 2011 TH-cam energy with 2024 production level (and audio quality, as others also point out!) - very clear and informative content. Loved it!
Right! I definitely looked at the year it was uploaded expecting to see 10+ years ago lol
Haha, I also looked at the year when it was uploaded. I was sure it was from the early days of YT:D
So true!
you said it before i could !! (:
Fantastic microphone on a windy day. I know that has nothing to do with the video but I sure noticed it. Great job
Watch his video on how to block wind noise with gaffers tape and then he attaches it to his chest.
He folds pieces of tape into small triangles --
It's quite ingenious.
@@kevinp6823 looks like I need to invest in a razor
His audio is always the best
I was also about to comment the exact same thing, what setup does he use?
@@JeremiahNicholHonestly the first thing I noticed in this video. His hair is blowing in the wind, and the microphone didn’t report it even a little bit. 👏🏻
Neighbor: "Honey,, he's on the roof again."
yep
I'm from Malaysia.. this video look like 2006 youtube content but the quality of it is 2024
You must have a hell of a wind muff on your mic.
This is the best explanation I’ve seen on the use of CPL vs. ND filters. Excellent, and entertaining work!
Please never end this channel, I learn more from you than all these other channels combined. Seriously.
I live in Nebraska usa and the eclipse is today* I have the Dji mini 4 pro...I don't know what to use. I have ND16 up to ND264..also a CPL...and then I have another set with ND8PL ND16PL ND64PL AND ND256PL..for video mostly ....I know this is short notice .can someone PLEASE help. Thank you so much everyone
So many great points. I never thought about how the different filter types and brands might be affected by the specific sensors/cameras and the specific lenses. Soooo many combinations. Makes a lot of potential trial and error til you find what works for you.
Yeah this subject was an annoying one for me. Not easy to figure out, no clear answer
@@MarkusPix Well, I for one really appreciate you bringing some light to this issue. Simply knowing that there is no one size fits all is good to know, and the reasons why.
@@MarkusPix not gonna lie that as i watched you open that drawer revealing those filters i got Bateman thoughts. Like so perfect.so immaculate.decent palette of filters each one with a purpose. So much variety. Look at the shape of that drawer. Damn. So good. Better than my 5 10 filters i got. Etc 🤣
First channel that ever addressed the different kind of combinations with the filters and camera and lens characters. Maybe because the others are more busy with selling filters than with truly educating. Thanks! You are awesome
Wow Your Audio Setup Is Amazing!!! The Wind In the Background And The Solid Voice Over That Doesnt Sound Dubbed Left Me Speechless!!! GREAT JOB!!!!
Lol, its not a voice over
@@MarkusPix no. He said there so much wind and you didn't voice over it he mean your voice is clear that he is speechless
@@entertainmentworld5238 *No...* _"The Solid Voice Over_ *That Doesnt Sound Dubbed",* can only mean one thing - that OP believes the audio to be dubbed over because OP can't hear the wind, while it appears to OP to be totally natural and synced up perfectly; OP clearly does not realize that the audio matches perfectly to the video because it is in fact recorded on-set/live, hence Markus's response.
Another use for a CPF is to darken down a LED display - e.g. doing an indoors scene with a TV running as part of the picture. With the CPF you can darken down the light of any LED screen - i.e. the TV or home cinema flatscreen - until its brightness harmonizes perfectly with the brightness of the ambient light of the surroundings. Much easier than going through 100 menus to mess up the adjustments of the TV itself, just to stop the damn' thing from overexposing on your photo or in your video. The secret behind this is quite simple - LED displays emit linear polarized light.
(Note: this does not hold for individual LEDs - e.g. Xmas chain. But you can turn down an LED display to absolute black. Just hold a CPF - the right way round - in front of your eye and slowly turn it. The TV picture vanishes completely. Really uncanny!)
It's really fascinating on how things change based on what you place in front of the lens and what colors are being pushed into the sensor via that lens. I've net to use ND filters with photography, but I use it when I film with my C100 MKII all the time. That built-in ND filter system is really nice and I wish a lot more camera manufactures would include those in their bodies.
I'm part of the C100 M2 cult too and I really want to go to 4K without breaking the bank, but once you shoot with built-in NDs it's really hard to go back to the tedium and expense of buying and screwing NDs on every lens you own -
I agree with everything and learnt something, so thank you! I mainly shoot video nowadays. I have tried variable nd's and didn't like them. Most of the time I simply use a polarizer filter and sometimes a x64 nd. Very happy with the results.
You remind me of a mad genius. You cover so much with so little waste. Such a simple topic and yet I learned things that I wish I had of known before. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Using polarizing filter makes digital images really looking like the old Fuji Film Velvia. Very nice in-camera effect.
Bro what a beautiful weather🤘🏻! Thanks for the info ✌🏼🤘🏻✌🏼🤘🏻✌🏼😎
I never knew that camera/lens can affect the outcome of using a polarizer. Now I will be comparing and finding what works best with my gear. Thank you for making this video. 😊
Perfect timing! I was just looking into NDs.
Thank you sooo much, Markus! I don’t have to tell you how much I’ve been looking forward to this video! I have the “perfect white sky” more times than not (including at this very moment). I had no idea a CPL could improve this Ohio sky!!!
One thing I’ve learned about photography. It’s a cult of bunch of new trend I have the newest camera out.
As always straight to the point, thank you Markus. Cpl to hide reflection. If you record around water surfaces like from a small boat you really need some reflection control. Sometimes reflection is an asset, sometimes its annoying.
The first minute of advice regarding brand of filter and how it works with different cameras and lens is some of the best concise advice and information I’ve heard in a long time thank you!
Good info in the video, I like the cokin A and P series myself
Cokin..wow that brings back memories from the 80s
Thank you brother!! 🤘😎 You earned my subscription 😎👍 I appreciate the time you put into this video!
I appreciate this video so much!! Explained the difference between CPL and ND filters beautifully thank you!!
THIS is THE MarkusPix video I needed. Thank you!
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@6:27 Markus "I try to keep it simple for ya" Also Markus "I have a filter for every lens." Plus the entire first part demonstrating each lens and sensor may react differently to a filter. Sensei Markus's simplicity causes my 🤯
Yeah I dreaded this video
Hello, it is a wonderful video, thanks to share it. I need ask a question please. I have Pocket 3 for a little time. I make only documentaries in sunny places and I want to use one filter only because I don't have free time to change it. I could use a VND filter, but it causes a slight loss of video quality, so I'm thinking to put one fixed ND/PL filter on my Pocket 3. I shoot only in 4K 50p in sunny days, with what a light transparent cloud. If I want to use a ND/PL filter with a 50-400 ISO range and Automatic Exposure, is it more useful to buy a ND16/PL or ND32/PL filter? I thank you.
I would also like to buy CPL filters from Pro Master, but you can't find something like that in Europe.... great video as always..
I do appreciate that you are always, as the kids say nowadays, "covered in drip." Translation: you dress very stylishly.
Lol! So true!!!
Thanks for this video.
Been looking into this but no good info...
I've glued a 41mm UV filter on the front (as there's no thread, just right size to fit in the steps) of my Sony 405 (which you recommend, it's brilliant btw) to stop dust and dirt getting in.. with .. in the UK Bostik Sticks Like S**T (supplied in a cartridge tube) .. great stuff as it doesn't contain any solvent nastiness that hurts plastic etc.. it's an MS Rubber.. I use it with Perspex.. and it will peel off smooth surfaces if you want to remove it.
Now to get a Polarization and ND filters..
The 405 does blurry backgrounds but this will take it further..😻..
Sometimes it's useful. But remember, after polarizer you are in the risk of getting some weird "dark holes" in the sky.
And killing the reflections you are getting underwater look.
any advice on color casts from nd filters in non-raw video? Do you find you can always just fix it in post, or adjust the white balance in-camera?
Excellent video
Thank you for the information!
Is there a fixed ND you would recommend to start with?
Thanks for this. You're a gem. Free, valuable knowledge for the masses. God bless you, sir.
Thanks so much for this great and informative video. I really appreciate it. Keep up the great work. 🙂
Unless ita an.ultra wide lens ! Then your looking at £100s , the coatings IR stopping nano coatings , because your using flourine coated lenses your not going to use a shot glass as a filter , or put a crappy uv filter over the lens to protect it , and lose image quality , you need top quality filters from ground super level flat glass to start with , then the coatings , chemicals evaporated onto the glass ,and sandwiched to protect the coatings , then flourine coated for light transmission, bla bla.... prices shoot up , hence putting a £20 uv filter on your lens just degrades the image , most lens hoods are duel purpose blocking light and protrude for protection .
What NDs and CPL would you recommend for a Sony ZV-E1 and the Sony 20mm f1.8? (And the 85mm f1.4 from Sony)? Thank you
You have such an engaging personality to complement the depth of the knowledge you possess and in the manner you present it all. Many thanks.
Dude you’re screwing around with filters when a good looking woman is there, we need to talk about priorities.
Great video!
I do like step up rings, though. Can experiment with one new filter on multiple lenses.
Also, a filter on a ring still offers the protection you mentioned.
That said, I certainly understand the system of just getting filters the same size as the lens, as well. It all works.
i never realized the effect changes depending on the direction of the sun. I wondered why the effect was so different every time.
in this video there are very good informations. and this cool guy ( ıdk his name thats my first video which i saw in this channel ) . thanks for the video.
This is the first video explaining that their will be differences with the filters when used with different cameras and lenses. Too many people just assume its a one size fits all (me being one of them as a complete newbie) I'm glad this was something mentioned that I can think about.
Am i the only one who thinks that going that deep into photography just sucks the joy out of taking pictures?
What ND filter is most common to use for use because it is too bright outside, ND4, ND8?
long time subscriber. i would love to get better quality videos. it can get frustrating at times when i spend all day filming multiple sequences to only find out its out of focus. mostly difficult because i am filming jewelry making. the camera is close then my arm gets in the shot then it focuses on my arm etc etc. sometimes i think its better w my phone or gopro. any tips. canon 70d, m200, gopro 3 & 7. iphone.
Markus I love your easy going yet informative stile. It's pure joy to watch and learn in the same time :). Thank you for your work and effort.
Thank you 😊
Anyway, I bought a whole set from kase. I use nd and cpl together
Two different types of filter, so it's incorrect to compare them.
Is this what's used to create more vibrant rainbows?
can we all appreciate how windy it is but the audio is still clear!
Huge quantity of information packed in an accessible format and short length. Wonderful!
Glad it helped!
NDfor night and polarizer for day in highligth...
This is hilarious video thank for educate for us
so i fucked up getting a variable ND :/
do a show on night Timelapse photo sky stars meteors clouds
So informative and creative 😍
Thank you so much 🥰
I also surprised how you got this quality of audio in such strong winds and we don’t see any mic !!! 😮
Thank you. I have an extensive audio series on this channel showing how I did all that
What strength of ND filter do you use? ND 8, 16, 32, 64, 1000?
Depends on the situation
Haha....thanks. I learned a lot in this one, as usual.
great advice , were do i get that cool jersey from please ,
Dude, you need a haircut... great video btw
Thanks I needed this
You stuck a head on a pike like vlad
Hey Marcus, would using a polarizer coupled with a black pro mist cancel out the bloom of the promist?
probably not because polarizers need the light to come from a 45 degree angle
You’re the man that was excellent
Beginning shot with a head on a pike….too funny
One of those windy days. EH!. I no knowledge about ND filter and Polarizing CPL filters.
That's why I watch your videos to learn.
I never really thought of different camera and lens combinations having an effect on what filters will work best so that was good to know. I use Nisi Variable ND 1.5-5 and 5-9 filters as I found them to give me the best image quality with no noticeable color cast on lenses I use or noticable X when stopped down. I used to use SLR Magic Variable ND II. It is a Variable ND with a polariser and to get the polarising effect, you just turn the whole filter, which means unscrewing it slightly from the lens. I stopped using it as it slightly softened my images and had a slight warm color cast. I have used polarising filters to remove the reflections on the surface of water so I could get photos and videos of fish and marine life in rock pools.
I don't normally use lenses that have a bigger than 77mm filter thread so I use 77mm filters and if necessary, I use Breakthrough CNC step up rings. I'd never use step down rings though due to the high chance of vignetting.
I use Variable ND filters rather than fixed NDs because I shoot log video and I want to dial in exposure exactly right with midtones at a certain IRE without changing the shutter speed or aperture and I can't always do that with fixed NDs. I mostly shoot videos' outdoors in natural lighting and the light can change quickly so if I was using fixed NDs and had to switch them out, by the time I changed NDs, the light might have changed and so will my exposure and I'd have to change filters again, but not with a Variable ND.
I enjoy your instructional style in these videos.
Glad to hear it!
Great video. I try to use PL filters always in daylight (when I don't forgot it at home) but not to remove water or sky reflections but to control the light orientation before hit the sensor. Since I use the phone to film and I can't control the light, the AI get very confuse when I have the bright green and the sun is about 45º, making the image to wobble. I don't know why no reviewer spot this issue, but most cameras that the image wobbles in certain light conditions (I saw a clip with AX53 wobbling when the guy zoom (probably it would occour with the AX33-43)), if light direction is the issue, the PL will fix that.
wheres your mike that sounded great!
That guy keeps shaking his head. 😂
Thanks for the tips - it looks like for max dramatic effect with a polarizer sky you basically need to shoot at 90 degree to the sun - something I wasn't aware of
I think it's more important to know why you choose gear you choose rather than what the gear is itself. Not saying that's bad info or anything. Teach a man to fish type of thing.
Everybody's constantly asking what brand of ND and polarizer I use, so thats why I made this video.
@@MarkusPix I appreciate it.
now i know what to want vs what i need
You convinced me....Hgx I go!
I don't know why but this video feels like 5 years ago, anyway .. nice video.
What difference does it make
I've always hated ND filters. I find it better to drop my ISO by 2 stops
My ISO is always at 100 for best quality so its not possible to lower it more than that. You can raise shutter speed but that only goes to 4000 so in bright sunlight to get 1.8 or 1.4, you almost need NDs
Excellent video😊!
Best video on filters! Thank you. I am filming surfing in bright sunlight with glare on the water ofter a problem. Using the Canon R5C with a RF100-500. CPL or ND? Aloha
Excellent content. It's been very helpful. For shooting nature videos and views of the ocean (without much movement) with a smartphone would you recommend using a VND and CPL filter in one or just the CPL filter alone? I want to use the CPL filter, but I'm wondering whether the combined version with a VND (that some filters have) would be a better option than using the CPL filter alone. What are your thoughts?
Pardon me for asking... I recently started to shoot a couple of local ultra running events during my down time... I noticed that I'll be having trouble if the run was during noon/mid day and my pictures were severely overexposed. What filter I can use to overcome this or is it enough with just adjusting exposure compensation on playing around with shutter speed. Thank you in advance for your answer.
Exposure is everything. If you're shooting auto, then yes exposure compernsation. If shooting manual, crank up the shutter speed, F stop or use ND filters... but be aware, ND filters makes auto focus more difficult
@@MarkusPix Yes... I shoot in manual & I'll rotate between auto & single focus from time to time...
Thank you very much for your reply & the knowledge shared...
Great video 👍
You are incredible, thank you for this explanation
LOL!!!! I too love a good polarizer!!!!!! Thanks for doing this video in the bright sun and wind... It's freezing raining here in Mississippi... LOL!!!!
I need to use my pol-filter a lot more 😀. Iam new on your channel and subscriber. I have much to learn and you give great tips 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻😀.
Have a great day! Jose from Sweden.
WARNING make sure you get a good quality cpl. my Rf 70-200 will not focus with cheaper filters.
Hi Markus, in one video you said you clean your lenses with a two wipe cleaning set. One wet towel and a dry one in 1 set. And you could buy them in sets of 10. What was the recommended product you use for that? And thank you so much for all the knowledge yoou share 😊
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@@MarkusPix Thanks!
Good work. Thanks.
A problem with step-up rings is they push the filter further from the lens. I saw somewhere that the further the filter is from the lens the more IQ is degraded. Is that true?
The polarizing feels like a 90's/00's look in film. Very cool
Those polarizing filter really has a way to make those clouds really pop !
Thanks Markus. Not I actually understand the difference, and now to use them better.
Markus! That model behind u sure was quiet, especially when u said, "So there!" 😎😎
Thanks man! super clear explanation straight to the point! :)
I REALLY appreciate your videos and perspectives.
Thank you!