LCBO strike: Ford accelerates sale of ready-to-drink cocktails, large beer packs in grocery stores
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ส.ค. 2024
- The Ontario government said on Monday it’s accelerating plans to expand the sale of ready-to-drink beverages and large packs of beer in grocery stores, as LCBO workers remain on strike in a dispute that largely centres on those exact drinks.
Ontarians will be able to get these types of alcohol, such as coolers and seltzers, starting on Thursday, July 18 - which is two weeks earlier than the initial plan of Aug. 1.
The moves come as OPSEU, the union representing 9,000 LCBO workers, continues to be on strike since July 5, shuttering hundreds of stores. The well-resourced union has given little indication of backing down, and it seems that the dispute is only bound to escalate.
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They should close the LCBO so they can all lose their jobs
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About time. I used to buy these products in the convenience store in Quebec in the 1970s. Ontario is still living in the past!
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U realize the LCBO is a govt corp that makes billions and we the tax payer makes it. All this will do is make private corp richer and the prov poorer. Going to have to increase taxes somewhere else to make up the shortfall.
@@robmannila7307 fyi, that's completely wrong. Don't fall for the OPSEU rhetoric
"The money that the LCBO returns to the province isn’t a profit from running the retail stores, it is a combination of taxes and fees charged on the products bought, warehoused, distributed, and sold via the LCBO."
Alcohol taxes not going anywhere. LCBO outlets not going anywhere. Dividends to government from alcohol have gone UP not down since expansion into grocery stores. And LCBO is the wholesaler.
If the government gets poorer than that's good for me, goverment is way to big, way to fat and way to greedy
forget housing, traffic, crime, and other major issues in toronto - we must focus on the sale and distribution of alcohol
but but....look over here ....
Canada is deadset on diversity so they will just be facts of life so not really much you can actually do about them
@RUDY-COLEMAN There is no way to stop diversity... what we gonna build a trump wall around Canada? See how well that worked for the USA... the world is changing quickly these days. Gone are the days of segregation. 🤷♂️ it's just not going to be possible.
@@kyloren3693 just stop giving them free money and they will all go home.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂Go drive to Quebec!!!
I generally support workers, but the LCBO is a garbage, archaic system. If they want my support, they should be open 24/7/365.
More access to products is good for the consumer, and opens the retailer to more revenue. How come I can drink at a bar until 2am if I want yet some LCBOs close between 6pm & 8pm?
More competition also opens the possibility of a reduction in prices, I don't often drink anymore, but the odd time I buy a couple beers it costs almost $10, not long ago that would buy me a 6 pack. Give me a Costco bulk buy option so even though I'm spending $50 bucks I'm getting damn near 40 beers.
It'd be nice to see this type of effort from Ford to lower grocery prices...
Ford's buddies running the grocery store monopoly in Ontario don't want lower prices, they want more profits and the sale of alcohol in their stores will give it to them.
What does that have to do with anything?
@@DeltaH-9 Get a basic understanding of basic economics. We have high prices for food in Canada cuz of grocery and food oligopolies/cartels. Also the fact that American farmers and producers cant get their goods like dairy easily to Canada to sell is a problem with the Canadian dairy cartel
@@ontariofirs7347 Liberal...Carbon...Tax
Ford has frozen gas tax for almost 3 years now. And has not raise taxes one bit since taking office.
What else do you want him to do?
Still waiting on my lower hydro bill and buck a beer promise
What does that have to do with anything?
@@Ont785 oh look, you're on repeat.
@@DeltaH-9
If you wanna lower Hydroville, then maybe you should go after the liberals for the reincrease in carbon tax for heating.
And you realize, that the liberals just raise the taxes on or alcohol sales across the country.
If you think that spending $50 for a case of beer, is acceptable… oh well, I can’t help you there!
It seems your complaints have merit, except they are complaints that should be given to the liberal government of Canada, not the provincial conservatives…. but I wouldn’t want that to get in the way of your core hatred!
@@Ont785 A whole lot of assumptions there, pal. I'm a conservative. I don't drink alcohol. I didn't mention anything about hydro.
I simply said I wish he would fight just as hard for lower grocery prices. Period.
@@DeltaH-9
What does grocery store prices have to do with him, pal?
This guy is Jon his way to privatize everything to support his bodies. From booze to healthcare while Ontarian’s😮 will pay for services out of pocket while taxes remain high
I pay for services through my taxes that I dont even get to use. I put money into unemployment and never use it. I put money into education and dont use it. I put money into swimming pools, libraries and other tree hugging programs from my tax dollars and I never get to use them. Now you want me to fund something else that I dont use with my hard earned money? Whats wrong with a user fee based system that lets the user choose whether they want to pay and use it? I know... you want me to pay so you can use it for free>?
@@jaym7479 lol u never went to school, your kids never went to school, lol your ignorance shows
@@robmannila7307 Get a life. Better yet get a job and support yourself. Instead of having society pay for you way
@@jaym7479 lol i am retired loser, lol
@@jaym7479 pay for you way, once again you should have gone to school lol
Convenient access to alcohol in local supermarkets? Good.
Loss of billions in revenue and good-paying jobs as LCBO loses market share? Bad.
I get the appeal of collapsing the LCBO monopoly, but when you wonder why taxes go up to cover the loss of revenue, here's your reason.
I realize our society is all about instant gratification, but it's worth considering the economic impact of decisions made based on populist rationale.
Exactly everyone saying close it and privatize but LCBO has been implemented in Ontario 100 years ago
People think that this will somehow make alcohol cheaper but in no way will private business drop prices. The convenience factor is negligible as there are already so many LCBO locations established, I can't remember ever thinking there is some lack of convenience getting alcohol in this province. Doug Ford has already cut the revenue from vehicle licensing, now he wants to cut revenues from the LCBO and screw over the people working there so big grocery stores can create more profit. Doug Ford is selling our province and is in no regard a politician for the people.
@@AndrewStCyr It does happen… here is a wild example: fancy tequila in Alberta, $189.99… exact same one in Ontario, $321.60 😱. Google “clase azul Edmonton” versus “clase azul LCBO.” Difference in sales tax alone doesn’t come close to making up the difference. I’d be genuinely interested to see if anyone can find such an outrageous example in the other direction.
@tinomoc9877 The world is steadily changing quickly... it is not 100 years ago anymore.
@@kyloren3693 buddy just stop commenting because u obviously dont have experience in life.
Is anyone wonder why people crave alcohol in the first place?
Crave, not everyone's a drunk
Addiction
I’m off the sauce…Drink spring water…live longer….Ontario remains one big drunk…
Nope because I quit drinking alcohol and smoke pot instead.
What are you talking about?
Beer has been around longer than Jesus Christ, by a long shot… Despite what the union is telling you
Can we as a country stop treating basic and average housing as a commodity? Young Canadian people’s, disabled people and seniors aren’t doing very well.
I agree with you, we have people on Permanent Disability living with nothing and they need help but the government only cares about Corporate profits
In British Columbia, the provincial government has implemented a hybrid model for liquor sales, involving both government-run and private liquor stores. The British Columbia Liquor Distribution Branch (BCLDB) is responsible for wholesale distribution and controls the pricing of liquor province-wide. Here's how it works: Government Liquor Stores: These stores, often referred to as BC Liquor Stores, are owned and operated by the provincial government. They offer a wide range of liquor products, including wine, beer, and spirits, at fixed prices set by the BCLDB. These stores are typically larger and offer a more comprehensive selection, often at lower prices than private stores. Private Liquor Stores: Private businesses are also allowed to apply for licenses to operate liquor stores in BC. These stores can be smaller, more specialized, and offer a curated selection of products. Private stores must purchase their liquor from the BCLDB at a set price, which is typically slightly higher than the cost for government stores. This means that private stores often have to charge higher prices to customers to make a profit. The benefit of this model is that it offers choice to consumers. Those who prioritize cost-savings can opt for the government-run stores, where they can find a wide range of products at the lowest possible price. On the other hand, those who value convenience, specialized products, or a unique shopping experience may choose to pay a premium at private stores. Additionally, the BCLDB still controls the wholesale distribution and pricing, ensuring that the province retains control over liquor sales and the associated revenue. This model can also promote competition and innovation in the market, as private stores must find ways to differentiate themselves and attract customers beyond simply offering lower prices. However, one potential drawback is the price discrepancy between government and private stores. Critics argue that it creates an uneven playing field, as private businesses must compete with the government's buying power and ability to offer lower prices. This can make it challenging for private stores to survive, especially in areas with close proximity to government-run stores. As for your suspicion about Ontario's approach, it's hard to speculate on Premier Doug Ford's exact intentions. However, it's worth noting that Ontario has already started down the path of privatization with the expansion of private wine and beer sales in recent years. The province has also indicated that it is exploring options for modernizing its alcohol retail system, so perhaps a model similar to British Columbia's could be considered. Ultimately, the British Columbia model demonstrates that there are alternatives to a complete dismantling of the government-run liquor store system, and it will be interesting to see how Ontario chooses to evolve its approach to alcohol sales in the future.
Ford is selling out to private interests, nothing less. Giant $$ grab for those big corps thanks to the Cons.
The govt should NOT be in the retail business at all. Let the private market take care of it. The more the govt care takes, the more tax payer money is needed. LCBO workers want the govt to protect it because they get paid 6 figures to be cashiers.
That's a lie.
50 cent army strikes again
Ah lie. 6 figures for cashiers?!!?
They don't make 6 figures lol. If they did, I'd get a job at the LCBO. Most of them are casual workers who aren't even guaranteed hours. Why do conservatives always lie like this?
60% of LCBO workers are casual time getting 16-24 hours a week. The average yearly salary of those people is $26,000 and it can take 12 to 15 years of working part time at the LCBO before getting a full-time job. The LCBO is trying to negotiate more full-time positions for people and Doug Ford doesn't want that. No cashiers at the LCBO make 6 figures.
Do we really care about where we get our beer?? The LCBO people need to work too and we have so many other issues that need his attention but he is doing nothing.
Guess what, we get beer from the beer store… is that hurting the special union workers?
Guess where all the wine comes from that’s in the grocery stores… The LCBO.
So what’s the big deal if I have the convenience of getting beer from a corner store? Nothing.
This entire strike is just about control from an elected union and they hate towards freedom
this strike is super pointless there already making a good wage working there
@@Lettuce-k6j
I don’t really care about the wage… but it’s ridiculous to strike over something that is no effect on their job security.
Remember you could go get mc Donald's and a 40 of rum. But you couldn't go to the gym. All in the name of science
If you’re eating McDonalds and drinking a 40 of rum the gym is the last thing on your mind.
@@barnacleq9341Mayor Ford is going to sell buck a beer 🍺 to school children 😂
Guess what? Nobody cares.
buddy ford didn't privatize, he publicize it, if anyone can sell it then i cant wait till we can get cheaper alcohol
That lcbo guy literally had no idea what he was talking about
our main beer-distributor is a privately-owned consortium & we pay some of the highest prices for 24pks in the country--it's not about making booze cheaper, it's about who gets paid
I'll bet you right now that doesn't happen.
Lol we are not getting cheaper alchol, see any $1 beer from last Ford promises. Private companies will take Fords $$ but wont do his bidding, but Ford does their bidding, lol
Not going to be cheaper if it is sold in grocery stores where the employees get paid far more than MOST of the everyday LCBO workers. No more universal pricing. And say goodbye to all the small brewers and distillers because they will not be able to pay to get shelf space like the big companies. Do you even know what happened to retail when Walmart came to Canada? Prices did not get cheaper. Get the facts instead of sounding stupid, mm kay!@
People are dying with no food and shelter in canada, and here, media and politicians want alcohol to be stable again
Isn’t it great!!
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Personal fiscal mismanagement is your own fault. You cant blame the govt because you cant manage money. This isnt a nanny state. Grow up and be responsible for once in your life. Take care of yourself. Stop depending on someoen else to take care of you
@@jaym7479 Amen brother, amen.
LCBO wants the 70% of part-time workers, to get more hours... to do what.. stand around? Bring down the prices, and maybe the LCBO would be worth it, but I don`t see that happening, so privatize it.
1.5 million to run a lcbo alberta private liquor stores cost 500k a year.
Lets not forget the amount of theft that cost millions which they are told not to engage.
The rest of the country has sold liquor privately for a long time
Fordsy and his buddies must really want to drink alcohol at their cottages this weekend.
Jealous much?
@@WakeUpSheeple1000
No, I don’t drink alcohol.
I love alcohol. I want to drink it for breakfast lunch & supper + spend all my hard earned money on it right? lol
Why is premier Ford so obsessed with booze and cops. It's not as if we have anything else to worry about?
I like how they rush to sell alcohol in all stores, while LCBO is on strike. They don’t even know what hit them. Keep striking ,soon to be out of a job.
By by monopoly 😢
You cant even spell bye
There's like 2 grocery store chains in Ontario. Even if the LCBO is a monopoly at least it creates revenue for our government to put into healthcare. Now that revenue is going to the grovery store monopoly where prices will remain the same but funding to healthcare will be cut. Explain to me how that is better?
@@tinomoc9877 ya I can’t spell buy I can count and I add up billions in retail operations and poor management decisions not great for funding public services
Are you leaving Ontario/Canada? Please say yes.
@@AndrewStCyr
So we should take all your income. And we'll justify it because it's revenue.
It's a slippery slope if all you can do to justify a public business is it's profitability
Sorry LCBO you're not a construction company so Doug does not care about you or your families. He does not care if you have work or even a home. 😢 Good luck and better start saving money.
That green party guy is annoying
Love Ford. He's so entertaining.
Anyone feel sorry for OPSEU out there? Anyone? Didn't think so.
this is the first politician I've seen that is so COMPLETLY OBSESSED WITH BEER, DRINKING, AND ALCOHOL.
What is up with this guy?
Is anyone checking up on him to make sure that he's not abusing alcohol or crack?
If you are in Toronto. Make sure to note the steady rise of alcoholics, all over the place. They are already walking around with their beer cans in plain site and leaving them all over the subway.
Is alcohol sold in movie theatres…
Welcome to 2024, monopoly is not something you should have in any market. Looking at Europe, you can buy alcohol anywhere at anytime of day or night.
Stay on strike, I’ll go to the grocery store
LCBO is the monopoly here.
Out in the country I can get anything from a corner store
And whose money is being used to fit the stores for premixed drinks at such short notice ? The Tax Payer.
Adding a few shelves costs a fraction of the money it takes compared to running an lcbo outlet staffed with overpaid employees.
Do you know what starting wages are at the LCBO (hint slightly above minimum) so don't @ me with that line. That said, lets tell everyone we're fine with ingratiating the wallets of already exceptionally wealthy with close on 2.5 billion dollars in Provincial Income. All to the detriment of infrastructure, medical services, health care and education. If none of those things directly impact you, you either live in another province or are one of the fat cats at the Pork Barrel.
A "few shelves" in multiple stores with magical supermarket level mark ups. Seriously, its 2024 and we all think having booze available on every street corner is good for whom exactly. ? Certainly not society in general but hey, go you !!!! You sound like a slogan for Ford's "Low Quality, High Cost Ontario".
Doug Ford clearly shows his lack of understanding of logistics. A trait that is essential in a good leader. He says now without realizing that the suppliers do not have warehouses full of stock waiting to be shipped out. The man ran a printing business and if he was really good at it, he would not be in the Liars Game (aka politics) JIT has been standard for 2 decades with most supply chains. It takes weeks to make beer or alcohol and years to make wine. You can't just whip up a batch of any of it overnight. A minimum of 40 days lead-time is required.
@@circuitman37 A good summation of many of the issues at hand beyond basic logistics.
Why are they encouraging alcohol misuse?
they aren't, they just want to sell it in other places... try and keep up ok?
Finally, freedom and lcbo making 9 billions per year.
Colleen MacLeod, Chair of the Bargaining Team - “Instead of bargaining in good faith with the union and revisiting public policy that’s flat-out bad for Ontario, Ford is only focused on pushing his harmful agenda - *he can’t be trusted* ,”
Colleen's LAST FOUR WORDS SAYS IT ALL
The LCBO is on strike because of their hate towards conservative governments.
Beer sales in stores, will have a little affect to the LCBO… in case they didn’t realize, you can buy beer at the beer store!
Guess we’re all the wine comes from that’s in the grocery stores…. The LCBO!
The corner stores can only pick up wine that they can afford to sell for a profit… The same as in Quebec and almost every other civilized place on the planet.
Enough of the union telling me where I’m allowed to buy stuff.
Job lost not in just the LCBO, Healthcare and teachers. Good bye Ontario.
YT keeps removing my comments. GFY. Monopolies don’t work. Alberta has been private for ages and the prices are substantially better there. difference in sales tax alone doesn’t make up the difference. Not unusual to find bottles for nearly half the price they are in Ontario. Stick with the status quo if you like getting gouged
Spending billions a year on lcbo salaries and billions more to run a bunch of empty stores is the real waste here why does everyone think the lcbo is good?? There not unfortunately its a monopoly on a product witch is illegal is it not?
No it not illegal to have one seller of a product run by a crown corporation or even private . Lcbo makes the province more money and has a higher standard of living for it workers then not
@@AtteliaVel ok. But it cost 8 billion a year to run the lcbo and they only make 2.5 billion in profit. So hear me out if we closed all the lcbo and sold everything in other stores for the same amount and sold the same amount but didn’t have to pay the 8 billion almost in running costs to lcbo now we will have 8 billion in profits going to the government instead of 2.5 billion. Seems to me will make more in profit to the province without them 🤔
@@brianrip2873 lcbo does the work they get the money in profits . If you have private sellers do the work they are going to want the profits and aren't going to share in the long run . Then ontario loses decent paying jobs in the lcbo for grocery jobs that don't which is the real purpose destroy government and crown corporations .
Wow. You have no clue. It's nice you can have an opinion without actually being informed. MOST LCBO workers earn minimum wage. Only the managers earn big money. There are NO million-dollar salaries for anyone, even at the head office. Nice work Brain.
@@circuitman37 lol ya i know they only make 17-24 an hour but my point is that there salaries are all paid for with taxpayers money same with the overhead for the stores. Anyways talk about not being informed but there budget and costs to run everything is online maybe you should take your own advice and look up the facts 😂😂
Is this ethical?
Health Canada just came out with new guidelines for consumption and now the priemier fast tracking easier access. 🤔
Why doesn't Ont control shoe sales and you may only buy shoes through them?! ... it would make a lot of money.
Thank you Ford..
I'm so thankful to him.
After drinking all week and weekend, Now on a Monday mornings I dont have to wait until 11 until beer store open. I can get my fix right at 8 am when the grocery store open.
Thanks for everyone for going to work so that i can be on divisibility welfare, while i suck back beer all day long
Good to see you have prioritized
why would you allow a distribution channel to hamper the free flow of goods from producers to consumers
I guess you would be totally shocked we never sold alcohol in Ontario at one time? The model you have now is a result of the massive Temperance movement that made up the majority of the Ontario PC party.
30 dollar an hour shelf stockers.
They don't pay 30 dollars an hour lol. If they did I'd get a job at the LCBO.
@@yokiryuchan7655
Your right. They pay 31$ an hour plus. Yes. Go get a job there. Good pay for sure
@@helenshack2838 Avg is a lot less than that and there are no benefits, sick days or vacation days
What's wrong with good paying jobs? The prices of alcohol will remain the same at the grocery store and more money will go into the pockets of people who are already incredibly rich. Keep up that crab in the bucket mentality and see where that gets you. Our society is living in a race to bottom for wages while it continually gets more expensive to live in this province...
@AndrewStCyr Idk any shelf stockers outside the LCBO who make 60K a year....yet your gonna really try and say that it has no effect on pricing? LCBO makes $6B a year and only $2B or less actually ends up as profit. A store manager makes almost 110K a year salery at the LCBO at that's more or less just the average.
If you don't drink hard liquor or specialty wines, why not be able to buy the spirits of your choice at the grocery store and take one less trip? save on fuel and your carbon footprint too! Win, win eh!
$2billion hit to our taxbase, will need to make up the loss in prov revenue somehow, i wonder where he will hit us next, oh btw the $2 billion will nowbe in private hands, they really give back to the tax payer lol
I am sober, I don’t care.
no body cares
I guess it’s hard to find a replacement job that gives you over 30$ an hour to stack shelves with liquor and be a cashier. No support for you. You’re are overpaid.
Not to mention the guaranteed pay raises, that the rest of the workforce with real jobs don't enjoy.
With the pricing model used at the LCBO, minimum price for a single beer will be $5 soon enough, so whilst they brag about all the revenue they're generating, it's coming at consumer expense, being forced to pay artificially inflated prices that are easily the highest in N. America. .eyeroll.
@@mysuzyq1100we pay more in nova scotia.
God forbid we support more people having good paying jobs so they can keep their head above homelessness with the average rent being over $2000 a month in this province.
@@AndrewStCyr
Yes they have good paying jobs with good benefits that require little effort. So why are they striking ? Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.
@helenshack2838 because 60% of LCBO employees are casual/part-time and they want to get these people into full-time positions. Moving sales from the LCBO into grocery stores will cut back hours for these workers and do the opposite of creating more full-time positions.
Leave it global to go to Walmart and take a picture of non alcoholic beverages for the q 🙄, you can literally buy that at any Walmart or Loblaws . That is what journalism is now a days , they must of sent a 10 year old out to get the pic😜
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Attacking one small part of the largest union in the province is not going to end well for you Mr Ford. It's hardly fair or proper bargaining when you arbitrarily take our main issue off the table without making any offer of compensation for it. You were NEVER bargaining in good faith at any point with the LCBO workers. Why did you hire 3,000 summer employees with 3-month contracts when you had no intention of honoring the terms? All these hires were told they had a job until the end of the summer and now you are making the union pay them to walk the picket line instead. Isn't that fraud? Again, you are bargaining in bad faith. We have a King in Canada and it isn't Fatty Ford!
Lots of alcoholics out there, sad state of society.
I'm confused...you kept saying, "drinks"...but made no mention of alcohol.
But hey...i dont drink alcohol...so, its none of my business.
Basically the LCBO workers dont want their dumb and inefficient government run monopoly dismantled so they can keep charging exorbitant prices on Ontario consumers
I bet you can't find your backside with both hands.
@@circuitman37 personally attacking me instead of giving a constructive rebuttal to my criticism. You have the classic symptoms of a bankrupt intellectual or even of a high school drop out 🤣
@@circuitman37 No taxpayer wants to pay your entitled pricey wages. If you want a high salary go get higher credentials than what you need as a retail worker
What goes great with alcohol fam? Some crack rock fam. Word crodie! $$$$$$$
!!!! 🤣🤣🤣. You and Rob Ford would’ve got along great. Both users
I know that guy
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over paid clowns and theres always 2 or 3 checkouts with no cashier. dont feel sorry for them at all
Gives more reasons the government should let private businesses to sell them. These people think they can just take hostage of other people’s life for their own benefits!!
Me a hostage lol over booze my god use your brain if this is causing u stress lol
@@robmannila7307 lol butthurt LCBO worker.
I love the novel idea of mixed drinks in grocery stores. The LCBO is a relic of the past.
Just have regular liquor stores like the rest of the world.
Monopoly.
Good plan as I think
Bye bye lcbo... you went on strike thinking people would suffer but the reality is... you just showed everyone how much we don't need you