Hello, I am a phd student and my research topic is about plant propagation and regeneration in in vitro culture. I just want to let you know that I got a lot of agony watching the scenes from @TechplantChannel and really loved your profund and calm response! I have two recommendations for you: first, you talked and linked a paper about meristem culture to remove the paraiste. That might indeed work but might be as well diffucult to perform. Another, easier method would be shoot regeneration from leaf or petiole explants, instead of adventitous shoot propagation. This might have an increased risk for somaclonal variation, but during my works I could get rid of annoying endophytic bacteria rather easy. If you (and other planttubers) really want to know whats going on, I could forward you to my professor, who specialized in in vitro culture and endophytes. Finding out if Pythium is the cause would be a perfect topic to be analyzed in a bachelors thesis and this would cost you nothing but engagement.
Truly appreciate your academic insights!! I would be SUPER interested in this!! Please send me an email so we can work with you and your Professor! Chris@prettyingreen.com
Hey zitrusfrucht4092, id love it if you would also forward me your professors email address. however when I try and comment mine I think its getting kicked into the spam filter. I have it available on my channel page since I cannot link it directly here. I would really appreciate it, im looking for as many perspectives on this issue as possible
When I bought my first tissue cultured Thai from you guys, you warned me that there was a risk it could die from root rot and you explained why that happens. You were honest with the information and knew there was a chance I wouldn't buy it - but you still told me! I am glad that I not only bought the plant, but that its still alive and thriving! Thanks for all your transparency! I'll be back soon to buy more plants from you!
Oh my goodness, there's been tons of drama over plants; Thai rot, Monstera obliqua wet stick scams, pink congo philodendron, the drama is neverending across the plant community 😅
Whoa, it's my comment in the video! Thanks for keeping it cool with this one, this was a fascinating watch even though it was born from drama. I've learned a lot today, and I'll be reading the papers you linked too! Hope Matt takes you up on the Thai Con offer, I'd watch the hell out of that collab. If anything, this whole situation shows we need a lot more videos that go into the science behind houseplants in a fun, accessible way, with sources and quotes on display. I'd watch a lot of more of that content for sure!
I think I watched both of these videos. I didn’t come away thinking, “drama,”more like…plants are complicated and none of us know it all. You guys are just doing your best, educating us with the knowledge you’ve personally come across or observed first hand. Some people will agree with what you say, others won’t. And that’s okay. Nothing but love for both channels ❤
The thing is, he's speaking facts. Using critical judgement. While the other guy is just spewing personal opinions based on value judgement. I don't know about you but I don't have "nothing but love for both..." sides because I pick a side. I pick those who speak facts and are honest enough to admit their own errors, as he does because let's face it nobody loves liars. Careful where you shower your love at - only the good deserve to be loved. Just saying.
@@Z4U3398I think that’s the downside of social media contents, they make a lot of people start to confused facts with opinions, not very good for independent and critical thinking, a lot of times people just let their emotions take over
@@Sophie-kk3st Can't always blame social media - good judgement and common sense aren't as common as we think. Likewise for intelligence. Social media is just a window to that mad world which we live in. Sad but true.
@@Z4U3398 I agree, but before the mass use of social media, those people didn't use to have such easy platforms to find each other and (falsely) empower each other
@Z4U3398 glad to see someone acknowledging the difference between value judgment and fact vs opinion. It's weird how people started saying "Well, that's just my opinion" and somehow believe their opinion invalidates facts and peer reviewed research.
You have one of the most informative Channel for plant parents. I have a Thai too since Winter 2021-2022. This plant are so healthy. I can do what i want, nothing can kill this plant and their babys. Ok it is not a creme brulee, had a half moon leaf. That was really cool. I love this plant. They don't lost one leaf since i buy it. That is so sad so many have problems with their plant.
Great response! How could he critique your research when he didn’t do his own research🙃. I really appreciate your research & how you tell it to us in simple terms so I totally get it; don’t understand why your critic didn’t comprehend it. Thanks for sharing!
I've never watched his content and after seeing that little bit, I never will. He seems like he's jealous that Pretty In Green can do the research, comprehend it, and put it into terms the everyday person understands. I mean he said it came to him in a dream! What an idiot. No chance I'll be watching their channel.
Both your responses to this speaks volumes of the type of people you are - in my opinion. The difference in the way you approach the topics are polar opposites too, lol. One mocks everything and one presents facts. I mean for crying out loud. In any case, really appreciate all the information you share and I also want to say how much I love and enjoy learning from you and all your videos. Particularly these new series you've been rolling out. I look forward to seeing more of your content! X
Unfortunately there are many people that breath life to the Dunning Kruger effect, putting too much value into anecdotal evidence, allowing themselves far too much credibility. Thanks for speaking up.
I'm semi newbie (2 year plant mama) came across a lot of the plant youtubers with the root rot thai's. Kaylee Ellen and Fern and watched what they were doing with theirs to fix the issues. I love the content from these creates and recently found you through suggested video awhile back. I did purchase a Thai awhile back knowing the possibility of root rot. So I knew what to look for and how to deal with the situation if it arises. I ended up cutting mine when she got a few sets of leaves propagated her top cutting so I have 2 incase one doesn't make it. One outside, one inside so far they are still doing good and pushing out new leaves. I know that root rot is a thing and with the plant being highly variegated it does have a higher probability of it to have the issues. I like knowing the what ifs if it's prone to a certain ailments so I can make better purchases. Some of the easier said plants I can't keep alive so I'm pleasantly surprised mine have made it. I enjoy your content and I'm glad you were suggested for me to like your channel, can't wait for your next video !
Sample size is important! While personal anecdotes about an individual plant can still be helpful, when we are talking about a pattern, the person who has grown hundreds, if not thousands of these plants is going to be the one best able to speak to the matter.
Wow, what a great and informative response to such a chaotic situation 😂 honestly I feel like there’s *a lot* of misinformation about plants due to ignorance and attributing intention/intuition as scientific facts. For yeeeeears I struggled to keep plants alive following bad advice of people who were also likely not coming from a place of science and research… very much because I was never interested in doing much research on my own 😂 it’s boring, I’ll be honest I just want the good end result 😂 Anyway- thanks again for all the great info, it really is cool getting these botany micro lessons that are so easy to watch. I really appreciate the honest approach you take to discussing plants and their strengths, weaknesses and needs. It’s definitely made me a better plant parent and a happier customer- I’ll always be happy to pay a premium for this kind of end user support and clarification for the plants I’m interested in growing. It’s why I personally keep buying albo borsigiana and not the Thai con which I know I’m not fully ready for yet- but looking forward to one day when I’m more confident in trouble shooting more advanced plant problems. If anything- I feel like bringing up these nuances helps people make more ethical, informed decisions. So confusing why anyone would want to shut that down, but I am certainly not here to yuck anyone’s yum- just a big fan of the fancy aroids!
Dude, I watched Foundation on Apple TV and NOTHING when wrong there when they cloned the emperor for 400 years. Hahaha. When you gonna do When Thai Con Clones Attack?
First off thank you Chris! If you were not insightful I would NOT be such a big fan. You research and offer facts or thoroughly research hypothesis wit full disclosure as to it being unconfirmed. This was great stuff and I for one appreciate you taking the time away from your primary focus to educate us less familiar and easily swayed consumers and knowledgeable ‘want a be’s’
Thank you for watching, Shaun! I’m just trying to be honest and put out informative and engaging content. This got a little more “drama filled” than I would have preferred but I think the outcome of the discourse is important
Can you bring to life the real story of the “Mutant Manjula” pothos plant please!!! It’s still a mystery and many stories floating around till this day about this plant! 🙏🙏🙏🙏
There's something fun about seeing typically calm plantubers get passionate and openly express their concerns and knowledge. Some how I find this back and forth very entertaining, and also gaining perspectives from both sides. I have personally lost a couple of Thai-con to root rot, so your research and explanation will easily convince me, but also as a Techplant's follower, I also appreciate the taking no BS attitude from Matt. Thank you both for taking time to make the videos! @TechplantChannel
Thank you for the great video and the research you put into it! I actually bought my first Thai from your shop and it's doing very well. I trust your expertise a lot. I believe you said in one video that once a Thai reaches a certain size, you can be sure it's not going to rot since it passed that stage where most of the Thai die.
Hahaha, I saw both your videos organically. My main issue was he made a lot of assumptions on the maturity of the plant people are struggling with. I have purchased two plants larger then the plant in his video. I was cautious with watering bc they were expensive plants and one immediately rotted away, the current one is on its way out. Originally I heard this species was indestructible, so I was confused why they developed and succumbed to root rot and stem rot. The plants literally melted away 😂 Meanwhile, a tiny thai starter I bought is still vibing. But both the current older plant and the baby have developed thripps and I have never gotten thripps before. Anyways, tl:dr his video felt like it was a lot of personal opinions and assumption on what people are doing wrong 🧐
yeah i commented in the other thai con video and was surprised about the supposed tendency for root rot. i live in singapore. a hot, humid tropical island where months in the year there's heavy monsoon rain. in non-rainy months, i still water them heavily and my plants have survived for years without any issues. maybe it's specific strain of thai con that the american growers bred from that are more susceptible? mine is from a thai grower.
I was expecting this video to be kind of silly but it changed my mind on this topic. Thanks for sharing this info. It totally makes sense that if desirable, noticeable mutations can occur in tissue culture, so can undesirable issues like rot susceptibility. Also once you said cannabis industry your knowledge made total sense. Professional cannabis growers really have horticulture down to a science.
💚Sooo… I happened to see that video on the day it was released, and couldn’t help but notice specific quotes mentioned, and even the exact title from a video on this channel. It came off as somewhat personal, and surprisingly unscientific. The fact that the video began by dismissing the notion that references or citations weren’t actually necessary, and wouldn’t be forthcoming told me all I needed to know! The counterpoints making the claim that root rot being systemic was incorrect or just hype, and that others in the space were likely telling falsehoods in order to peddle plant wares was baseless. I kept waiting for facts based counterpoints to be delivered, vice emoting over the subject in a somewhat immature manner, but it never came to fruition. Unsure what the purpose of the video was at all, besides a personal rant.
Screw haters. All I know is I bought a monstera Thai Con, I am a lazy plant parent, and it has never gotten root because I applied what I learned from your past videos.
Absolutely prefer the transparency, I love finicky plants. But prefer disclosure that it needs or is likely to fall to issues pest growing humidity. It’s gorgeous but v2 is a easily killable genetic change from the very hardy first go round
I had a feeling that despite presenting the video in a very ‘surface level’ info way that there was much more knowledge at hand. Former cannabis grower myself (as well as yearly veggie gardens and many many houseplants) and would consider myself a plant/botany nerd. Also can state anecdotally that plants infected with pythium have a large chance of any cuttings being subject to similar infection, even months and months down the line and taken from a seemingly healthy part of the plant originally infected. I love your content and the more recent mini deep dives on specific plants 🤗 I tend to prefer the technical and scientific aspects and would love to see that rather than the more surface level “beginner” facts, but also understand that not every viewer is going to have the background or basis to be able to clearly understand the extra nerdy stuff, or the desire to 🤓😂
I appreciate you sharing your background and experiences too! Good to know you’ve also seen Pythium be transferred to cuttings. But without the hard studies, we have nothing more than our experiences to corroborate this. Thanks for taking the time to share a thoughtful comment 🙌
I actually have a local seller that does a TON of TC sales ( her brother lives in Asia and she gets insane deals apparently). She actually has 3 monstera babies ranging from $20-$40. I’m debating getting one but this video scared me lol. But for $20 it’s not a huge risk
I grow my monstera in leca. My albo grows happily into the reservoir. My thai, any roots that grow into the reservoir immediately rot off. My albos reservoir is full of roots; and my thais is completely empty of roots. The thai is larger and older than the albo
Another informative, well presented video, learnt more about the Thai thank you. 💚 got to say it…Even if it was born from a drama presenting its self, was waiting for this after reading Matt’s comments 😂.
Absolutely love all the researches you've done to prove your point rather than ridiculous mockery claim "reveal to me in my dream" You did slay him with all the researched facts lol
I think the other guy used that to prevent arguing lol, maybe he didn’t wanna point fingers or target someone because he knows he has a larger platform than most plant TH-camrs.
Pretty in Green grows lots of plants. Many grow well. Thai Cons have a lower success rate. Others have also concluded previously purchased Thai Cons were easier. Another channel addressed this topic. We received this rebuttal. I like the back and forth. There’s nothing here that rings untrue or problematic except comments discounting conclusions based in perceived motivations. The seller is outing a plant he sells for being less than ideal. The content creator is blaming people for mistakes rather than accepting these plants that are now widely available may be less than ideal (prone to rot). People are processing the information provided. Conclusions vary. I didn’t buy the original Thai Con because it was expensive. I bought one recently because I like them and the price was reasonable. If it rots, I’ll assume it’s not a strong plant because at this point, my approach works well for similar plants and there’s information indicating problems exist. If I was just starting out, I would likely assume it was my fault if my plant rotted. In other words, it’s an interesting conversation worth having as we take a casual approach towards learning about plants. Thanks for another great video.
There is a video that the plant tech person uploaded sometime last year, dissing, small and local growers and praising ecuagenera. That video totally rub me the wrong way when he spent the video hating on and trash talking growers they were smaller than ecuagenera. That enough for me to realize he’s not a good person.
Hey! Pretty in Green Prince. Thank you. I was a bit confused between the two of you. I watch both of you and I appreciate how you respected the plant Brother concerning this issue. Food for thought. The issue itself was interesting to me. I would like a Thai but it is waaay down on my plish list because I'm not paying that kind of money for it. I'll just wait and wait and I know from you and others that I will end up with an over cultured plant. So be it. It's not at the top of my list anyway. Luxurians, Red Secret, regular Crystallinum, I really want luxurians radicans, Florida Ghost, these are at the top of my list and again I'm not paying anything near expensive for them either. I'll wait and wait and my time will come and I'll be dancing with joy. But, what I really wanted to say to you is about tissue culture. I've been listening. And I wonder, what do you think if I use my own idea of sterilizing tissue from a plant to create more with my own similar home sterilizers and home made food to feed the plant once out of sterilization? I know, you are probably laughing histerically at me but what do you think? Can't wait to hear from you. Take care.
Probably because of cost. Any plant testing whether it's for mosaic or for identifying the DNA to this is more expensive than you think, and that money could be allocated for other stuff like equipment and chemicals that prevent root rot than for testing the plant
10000% Agree with you. My Thai TC I got 2 months ago died b/c of root rot in very chunky just like your plants. These new Thai TC are definitely a lot weaker. Also you know your shit!! thanks for doing this video.
This video is the reason I’m now subbed to you - it was the tea that did it for me 😅 (and not that I’m a super research/scientific based approach lover)
Him: A need to be right. You: A need to be honest. To me, speaking facts is the hallmark of a learned man. He who knows that he does not know everything will say things that people *need* to hear based on his own critical judgement, as opposed to value judgement. And that is why, I respect you for your honest, humble opinions. Yes, I'm taking a side here because I value honesty & disdain empty platitude. If he were just as gentlemanly then, he'd engage in a civil discourse with you; work together to find the truth. That will greatly benefit the houseplant community. Just saying... 💁🏻♂️
I saw that video even though I don't follow that guy. I think I must watch a lot of videos about Thai Con, lol. I didn't even finish watching because that guy came off like a flat earther trying to deny science because he thinks something else. It's fine to have a different opinion, a lot of science is differing opinions, but his was just like "I dunno I grew one or two plants so my experience must be all there is". Like a parent whose kids survived school so saying that school shootings don't happen.
Yeah I got 4 tc plantlets and everyone died of root rot the moment they got out of the bag. Never had that issue before. Truly think the plant isn’t worth it anymore until they fix the issue with root rot.
There is alot of drama about plants, plant community and more. I do like to let people know accurate information. I've had trouble with green Monstera deliciosa, I'm on my fourth one. Not liking growth pattern, and not sure if I love it. I gave myself a deadline. I have finally found some Thai Constellations. The price is a bit high, I found an albo, bit it is crazy expensive. This is why I put a deadline in. I do check info on stuff.
Maybe the biggest problem is culture... they are Epiphytes perhaps they should be grown drier and with more air flow. I mainly grow orchids and to avoid the rot you all get with this plant I would just grow them with fans and water them more then grow them drier. Pythium/disease requires stagnant moisture.
The only thing I could think about while watching this was “That tea is gonna get cold.”
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You are very informative and educating me on your videos. Love hope you responded to the video with research and your clear knowledge of what you are doing. New subscriber 💚
As someone who is coming from a dog breeder perspective (tons of dog breeders don't actually take much interest in genetics, so you'll see similar deflective responses with them as soon as something is up, as you saw in the TechplantChannel's video about thai con's root root issue), what you are explaining makes a lot of sense to me. And researching the Thai Con lately myself, have lead me to the observational conclusion that the modern Thai Con? IS a lot more susceptible to developing root root. That there definitely is a difference between those early ones, and what is hitting the market today. They don't just look changed, they behave different. This IS how genetics work, btw, that nothing truly stays the same forever with genetics. Not even with perfect cloning methods, as you have if nothing else, at least environmental factors able to affect how genes behave, mutate and change. Tissue Culture is bound to lead to genetic changes and alterations, and sometimes those will be undesirable. Into this also goes "breeding" if you so will, on young specimen. That hasn't provided you with the opportunity to show you it full genetic predisposition yet. Which very much could be, hey, it is effing really prone to developing root root.... I'm getting my first Thai Con tomorrow, praying I'll have some luck with it. If not. I have begun keeping my eye out for hardier specimens, specifically in Thailand. As I would suspect, it might (hopefully) be easier to find Thai Con's with healthier genetic makeup in the plant's origin country. I'll be costly for me to import such a plant, but yeah. I'm undecided, but still interested enough to actively look for a 'solution'. If it is at all possible to find such.
I LOVE this video and how calmly you’ve broken out to pieces the hysteria of this @techplantchannel guy! Cause from what I’ve seen, all his arguments are childish and full of unsustained emotions - nothing less. You did great! Thank you!
Another great video. I got and lost my first thai to root rot in 2020. My current one has done great and is even in passive hydro, purchased a few years ago. Idk what they are saying, these have come way down in price. I've seen them for as low as $20, how much cheaper are we expecting?
Been watching videos from this channel for a while now but didn't decide to subscribe until I saw this video.. will subscribe to the other channel also if there is a rebuttal video put out! 😂😂😂 I thought my plants were therapeutic. . . I guess I find the drama surrounding my plants even more therapeutic to me! 😂😂😂
This is the best 🤣 TH-cam plant drama lol! That guy is nuts. Thais are definitely in their own zone and it was a real learning curve to take care of them properly vs any other plant in my house. I have noticed a slight decrease in price, plants that were over $100 are now around $70-80 where I live and my bf and I just got an amazing steal, $55 for an established little Thai with a 3rd leaf coming up 😍 only sad thing is she drowned that hoe before selling it and it definitely didn't need water so now it's on watch 😅 our older thai rotted and we had to cut it back so much we only had 1/4 leaves left and almost lost it. But thanks to you and Kill This Plant, it's doing great and the newest leaf is bigger than my hand with beautiful verigation!
Omg is true cuz i bougth 5 thai during the years and all been rot root and i ended up buying one that it was not tc and that one thrive had it for 2 yrs and she almost 5 feet long and yes tc thai no metter how u care the will die and i been a experice growing since before the pandemic
I’m very advanced and actively am helping people with set ups, identify algae, nutrient deficiencies, etc with their aquatic plants. Done this for a long time. So naturally getting into house plants this last year wasn’t a far leap and I’m very successful with keeping those hard to keep plants. People say my living area looks like a plant store and compliment how great my plants look. That said I can say without a doubt that these tai and princess/wizard tissue culture plants have some weakness to their genetics making them VERY susceptible to rot. I’m the person people give struggling plants to for rehab and could not save my tai. At the moment I’m trying to rehab a white wizard philo that just is suffering from what I think old timey docs would call failure to thrive 😅 I reluctantly chopped her back and repotted her so hopefully she’ll make a comeback but holy moly! These two have put me off of holy grail plants! Never again will I follow the latest trend. At the moment I’m really enjoying my philodendron paraiso verde ❤ definitely a much stronger plant and grows so dang fast 😊
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Hello, I am a phd student and my research topic is about plant propagation and regeneration in in vitro culture. I just want to let you know that I got a lot of agony watching the scenes from @TechplantChannel and really loved your profund and calm response! I have two recommendations for you: first, you talked and linked a paper about meristem culture to remove the paraiste. That might indeed work but might be as well diffucult to perform. Another, easier method would be shoot regeneration from leaf or petiole explants, instead of adventitous shoot propagation. This might have an increased risk for somaclonal variation, but during my works I could get rid of annoying endophytic bacteria rather easy.
If you (and other planttubers) really want to know whats going on, I could forward you to my professor, who specialized in in vitro culture and endophytes. Finding out if Pythium is the cause would be a perfect topic to be analyzed in a bachelors thesis and this would cost you nothing but engagement.
Truly appreciate your academic insights!! I would be SUPER interested in this!! Please send me an email so we can work with you and your Professor! Chris@prettyingreen.com
Hey zitrusfrucht4092, id love it if you would also forward me your professors email address. however when I try and comment mine I think its getting kicked into the spam filter. I have it available on my channel page since I cannot link it directly here. I would really appreciate it, im looking for as many perspectives on this issue as possible
@@prettyingreenI really loved how you explained, love ur videos ❤❤❤
When I bought my first tissue cultured Thai from you guys, you warned me that there was a risk it could die from root rot and you explained why that happens. You were honest with the information and knew there was a chance I wouldn't buy it - but you still told me! I am glad that I not only bought the plant, but that its still alive and thriving! Thanks for all your transparency! I'll be back soon to buy more plants from you!
Thank you, Cassy!! Always appreciate you 🤗
Dang. Never thought I'd see drama over plants
Oh my goodness, there's been tons of drama over plants; Thai rot, Monstera obliqua wet stick scams, pink congo philodendron, the drama is neverending across the plant community 😅
It’s one of the most dramatic and toxic communities unfortunately. I see arguments in Facebook groups multiple times a week :/
You must be new lol
I left the beauty community only to realize the plant 🪴 community is where the real drama is 😂
Sadly people are full of pride
Whoa, it's my comment in the video! Thanks for keeping it cool with this one, this was a fascinating watch even though it was born from drama. I've learned a lot today, and I'll be reading the papers you linked too! Hope Matt takes you up on the Thai Con offer, I'd watch the hell out of that collab.
If anything, this whole situation shows we need a lot more videos that go into the science behind houseplants in a fun, accessible way, with sources and quotes on display. I'd watch a lot of more of that content for sure!
Damn right. I’m going through the studies too!
I think I watched both of these videos. I didn’t come away thinking, “drama,”more like…plants are complicated and none of us know it all. You guys are just doing your best, educating us with the knowledge you’ve personally come across or observed first hand. Some people will agree with what you say, others won’t. And that’s okay. Nothing but love for both channels ❤
The thing is, he's speaking facts. Using critical judgement. While the other guy is just spewing personal opinions based on value judgement. I don't know about you but I don't have "nothing but love for both..." sides because I pick a side. I pick those who speak facts and are honest enough to admit their own errors, as he does because let's face it nobody loves liars. Careful where you shower your love at - only the good deserve to be loved. Just saying.
@@Z4U3398I think that’s the downside of social media contents, they make a lot of people start to confused facts with opinions, not very good for independent and critical thinking, a lot of times people just let their emotions take over
@@Sophie-kk3st Can't always blame social media - good judgement and common sense aren't as common as we think. Likewise for intelligence. Social media is just a window to that mad world which we live in. Sad but true.
@@Z4U3398 I agree, but before the mass use of social media, those people didn't use to have such easy platforms to find each other and (falsely) empower each other
@Z4U3398 glad to see someone acknowledging the difference between value judgment and fact vs opinion. It's weird how people started saying "Well, that's just my opinion" and somehow believe their opinion invalidates facts and peer reviewed research.
You have one of the most informative Channel for plant parents. I have a Thai too since Winter 2021-2022. This plant are so healthy. I can do what i want, nothing can kill this plant and their babys. Ok it is not a creme brulee, had a half moon leaf. That was really cool. I love this plant. They don't lost one leaf since i buy it. That is so sad so many have problems with their plant.
Great response! How could he critique your research when he didn’t do his own research🙃. I really appreciate your research & how you tell it to us in simple terms so I totally get it; don’t understand why your critic didn’t comprehend it. Thanks for sharing!
I've never watched his content and after seeing that little bit, I never will. He seems like he's jealous that Pretty In Green can do the research, comprehend it, and put it into terms the everyday person understands. I mean he said it came to him in a dream! What an idiot. No chance I'll be watching their channel.
So appreciate you Carol!! You been here since the beginning 🙌💚
Exactly
Both your responses to this speaks volumes of the type of people you are - in my opinion. The difference in the way you approach the topics are polar opposites too, lol. One mocks everything and one presents facts. I mean for crying out loud. In any case, really appreciate all the information you share and I also want to say how much I love and enjoy learning from you and all your videos. Particularly these new series you've been rolling out. I look forward to seeing more of your content! X
Unfortunately there are many people that breath life to the Dunning Kruger effect, putting too much value into anecdotal evidence, allowing themselves far too much credibility. Thanks for speaking up.
This reply to his post was so well done...no malice just the facts
I'm semi newbie (2 year plant mama) came across a lot of the plant youtubers with the root rot thai's. Kaylee Ellen and Fern and watched what they were doing with theirs to fix the issues. I love the content from these creates and recently found you through suggested video awhile back. I did purchase a Thai awhile back knowing the possibility of root rot. So I knew what to look for and how to deal with the situation if it arises. I ended up cutting mine when she got a few sets of leaves propagated her top cutting so I have 2 incase one doesn't make it. One outside, one inside so far they are still doing good and pushing out new leaves. I know that root rot is a thing and with the plant being highly variegated it does have a higher probability of it to have the issues. I like knowing the what ifs if it's prone to a certain ailments so I can make better purchases. Some of the easier said plants I can't keep alive so I'm pleasantly surprised mine have made it. I enjoy your content and I'm glad you were suggested for me to like your channel, can't wait for your next video !
The shade at 7:39 - 7:52 Is hilarious!!!! Cool video.
You are the reason why I enjoy watching you !! You’re honest and just want to teach us all !!
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Sample size is important!
While personal anecdotes about an individual plant can still be helpful, when we are talking about a pattern, the person who has grown hundreds, if not thousands of these plants is going to be the one best able to speak to the matter.
I appreciate this so much! Tastefully done!
Wow, what a great and informative response to such a chaotic situation 😂 honestly I feel like there’s *a lot* of misinformation about plants due to ignorance and attributing intention/intuition as scientific facts. For yeeeeears I struggled to keep plants alive following bad advice of people who were also likely not coming from a place of science and research… very much because I was never interested in doing much research on my own 😂 it’s boring, I’ll be honest I just want the good end result 😂
Anyway- thanks again for all the great info, it really is cool getting these botany micro lessons that are so easy to watch. I really appreciate the honest approach you take to discussing plants and their strengths, weaknesses and needs. It’s definitely made me a better plant parent and a happier customer- I’ll always be happy to pay a premium for this kind of end user support and clarification for the plants I’m interested in growing. It’s why I personally keep buying albo borsigiana and not the Thai con which I know I’m not fully ready for yet- but looking forward to one day when I’m more confident in trouble shooting more advanced plant problems. If anything- I feel like bringing up these nuances helps people make more ethical, informed decisions. So confusing why anyone would want to shut that down, but I am certainly not here to yuck anyone’s yum- just a big fan of the fancy aroids!
Dude, I watched Foundation on Apple TV and NOTHING when wrong there when they cloned the emperor for 400 years. Hahaha. When you gonna do When Thai Con Clones Attack?
First off thank you Chris! If you were not insightful I would NOT be such a big fan. You research and offer facts or thoroughly research hypothesis wit full disclosure as to it being unconfirmed. This was great stuff and I for one appreciate you taking the time away from your primary focus to educate us less familiar and easily swayed consumers and knowledgeable ‘want a be’s’
Thank you for watching, Shaun! I’m just trying to be honest and put out informative and engaging content. This got a little more “drama filled” than I would have preferred but I think the outcome of the discourse is important
Can you bring to life the real story of the “Mutant Manjula” pothos plant please!!! It’s still a mystery and many stories floating around till this day about this plant! 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Yes would love this!!
@@horace6851 oh awesome, thank you!
2023, the year of the receipt.
OMG THIS IS AMAZING! Checking all your links. Man, I love this shit.
I very much appreciate the honesty, research and shared experience. Thank you for these great videos
Did I just find my new favorite plant channel?! 🤯🌿💚
Great, professional response packed with information based on experience and historical fact. Subscribed for sure.
There's something fun about seeing typically calm plantubers get passionate and openly express their concerns and knowledge. Some how I find this back and forth very entertaining, and also gaining perspectives from both sides. I have personally lost a couple of Thai-con to root rot, so your research and explanation will easily convince me, but also as a Techplant's follower, I also appreciate the taking no BS attitude from Matt. Thank you both for taking time to make the videos! @TechplantChannel
Thank you for the great video and the research you put into it! I actually bought my first Thai from your shop and it's doing very well. I trust your expertise a lot. I believe you said in one video that once a Thai reaches a certain size, you can be sure it's not going to rot since it passed that stage where most of the Thai die.
The best clapback ever!! 👏🏽👏🏽
Hahaha, I saw both your videos organically. My main issue was he made a lot of assumptions on the maturity of the plant people are struggling with. I have purchased two plants larger then the plant in his video. I was cautious with watering bc they were expensive plants and one immediately rotted away, the current one is on its way out. Originally I heard this species was indestructible, so I was confused why they developed and succumbed to root rot and stem rot. The plants literally melted away 😂 Meanwhile, a tiny thai starter I bought is still vibing.
But both the current older plant and the baby have developed thripps and I have never gotten thripps before. Anyways, tl:dr his video felt like it was a lot of personal opinions and assumption on what people are doing wrong 🧐
'Mic drop'
I appreciate your use of sources. Saying you're going by "just feeling" is a slippery slope to misinformation.
yeah i commented in the other thai con video and was surprised about the supposed tendency for root rot. i live in singapore. a hot, humid tropical island where months in the year there's heavy monsoon rain. in non-rainy months, i still water them heavily and my plants have survived for years without any issues.
maybe it's specific strain of thai con that the american growers bred from that are more susceptible? mine is from a thai grower.
yeah same as in Australia and we have never have root rot pandemic like USA so this is a USA centric issue
@@phunk8607 Tons of Thai Cons are rotting away in Europe aswell.
Thank you for the scientific explanations. I chuckled when he said “from my limited research” -yeah-apparently VERY limited! lol
Thank you for making this video!!!! Happy 4th!!!
Aint no way hipyotech was in the thumbnail
Super fun to watch😊
I was expecting this video to be kind of silly but it changed my mind on this topic. Thanks for sharing this info. It totally makes sense that if desirable, noticeable mutations can occur in tissue culture, so can undesirable issues like rot susceptibility. Also once you said cannabis industry your knowledge made total sense. Professional cannabis growers really have horticulture down to a science.
💚Sooo… I happened to see that video on the day it was released, and couldn’t help but notice specific quotes mentioned, and even the exact title from a video on this channel. It came off as somewhat personal, and surprisingly unscientific. The fact that the video began by dismissing the notion that references or citations weren’t actually necessary, and wouldn’t be forthcoming told me all I needed to know! The counterpoints making the claim that root rot being systemic was incorrect or just hype, and that others in the space were likely telling falsehoods in order to peddle plant wares was baseless. I kept waiting for facts based counterpoints to be delivered, vice emoting over the subject in a somewhat immature manner, but it never came to fruition. Unsure what the purpose of the video was at all, besides a personal rant.
Really excellent video! You clearly do your own research with trusted sources. Thank you for your content! I learn so much from you channel.
Knowledge is power and its awesome to witness in this video
I trust you more than a guy who used absolutely no facts and just opinions 😂
As a hobbyist and consumer, I just buy the original green Monsterra Deliciosa. I enjoy the huge and fenestrated leaves.
Screw haters. All I know is I bought a monstera Thai Con, I am a lazy plant parent, and it has never gotten root because I applied what I learned from your past videos.
lol love how you were drinking tea... I got it :P
Finding out that now two of my research hobbies are colliding cause HipyoTech my favorite custom keyboard maker is a plant person!
great content. love your scientific approach
Absolutely prefer the transparency, I love finicky plants. But prefer disclosure that it needs or is likely to fall to issues pest growing humidity. It’s gorgeous but v2 is a easily killable genetic change from the very hardy first go round
I had a feeling that despite presenting the video in a very ‘surface level’ info way that there was much more knowledge at hand. Former cannabis grower myself (as well as yearly veggie gardens and many many houseplants) and would consider myself a plant/botany nerd. Also can state anecdotally that plants infected with pythium have a large chance of any cuttings being subject to similar infection, even months and months down the line and taken from a seemingly healthy part of the plant originally infected. I love your content and the more recent mini deep dives on specific plants 🤗 I tend to prefer the technical and scientific aspects and would love to see that rather than the more surface level “beginner” facts, but also understand that not every viewer is going to have the background or basis to be able to clearly understand the extra nerdy stuff, or the desire to 🤓😂
I appreciate you sharing your background and experiences too! Good to know you’ve also seen Pythium be transferred to cuttings. But without the hard studies, we have nothing more than our experiences to corroborate this. Thanks for taking the time to share a thoughtful comment 🙌
I actually have a local seller that does a TON of TC sales ( her brother lives in Asia and she gets insane deals apparently). She actually has 3 monstera babies ranging from $20-$40. I’m debating getting one but this video scared me lol. But for $20 it’s not a huge risk
I grow my monstera in leca. My albo grows happily into the reservoir. My thai, any roots that grow into the reservoir immediately rot off. My albos reservoir is full of roots; and my thais is completely empty of roots. The thai is larger and older than the albo
Another informative, well presented video, learnt more about the Thai thank you. 💚
got to say it…Even if it was born from a drama presenting its self, was waiting for this after reading Matt’s comments 😂.
Appreciate you Kathy!! This ended up more drama than I would prefer, but I felt a response was needed. But I guess I coulda been less salty 😂
@@prettyingreen it’s hard to stay away from drama sometimes for some reason. 😎. Just keep doing what you do, I’m learning lots thank you 🙏🏼💚
Such great info man. I love your videos
Absolutely love all the researches you've done to prove your point rather than ridiculous mockery claim "reveal to me in my dream" You did slay him with all the researched facts lol
I think the other guy used that to prevent arguing lol, maybe he didn’t wanna point fingers or target someone because he knows he has a larger platform than most plant TH-camrs.
I love a good educational smack down full of peer reviewed literature!
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Pretty in Green grows lots of plants.
Many grow well.
Thai Cons have a lower success rate.
Others have also concluded previously purchased Thai Cons were easier.
Another channel addressed this topic.
We received this rebuttal.
I like the back and forth.
There’s nothing here that rings untrue or problematic except comments discounting conclusions based in perceived motivations.
The seller is outing a plant he sells for being less than ideal.
The content creator is blaming people for mistakes rather than accepting these plants that are now widely available may be less than ideal (prone to rot).
People are processing the information provided.
Conclusions vary.
I didn’t buy the original Thai Con because it was expensive.
I bought one recently because I like them and the price was reasonable.
If it rots, I’ll assume it’s not a strong plant because at this point, my approach works well for similar plants and there’s information indicating problems exist.
If I was just starting out, I would likely assume it was my fault if my plant rotted.
In other words, it’s an interesting conversation worth having as we take a casual approach towards learning about plants.
Thanks for another great video.
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There is a video that the plant tech person uploaded sometime last year, dissing, small and local growers and praising ecuagenera. That video totally rub me the wrong way when he spent the video hating on and trash talking growers they were smaller than ecuagenera. That enough for me to realize he’s not a good person.
Hey! Pretty in Green Prince. Thank you. I was a bit confused between the two of you. I watch both of you and I appreciate how you respected the plant Brother concerning this issue. Food for thought. The issue itself was interesting to me. I would like a Thai but it is waaay down on my plish list because I'm not paying that kind of money for it. I'll just wait and wait and I know from you and others that I will end up with an over cultured plant. So be it. It's not at the top of my list anyway. Luxurians, Red Secret, regular Crystallinum, I really want luxurians radicans, Florida Ghost, these are at the top of my list and again I'm not paying anything near expensive for them either. I'll wait and wait and my time will come and I'll be dancing with joy. But, what I really wanted to say to you is about tissue culture. I've been listening. And I wonder, what do you think if I use my own idea of sterilizing tissue from a plant to create more with my own similar home sterilizers and home made food to feed the plant once out of sterilization? I know, you are probably laughing histerically at me but what do you think? Can't wait to hear from you. Take care.
If you suspect your plants have pyhtium, why don't you just test them for it?
Probably because of cost. Any plant testing whether it's for mosaic or for identifying the DNA to this is more expensive than you think, and that money could be allocated for other stuff like equipment and chemicals that prevent root rot than for testing the plant
This is a great point
Didn't know tests existed for it.
I would LOVE to! Do you have a source where the public can have things tested?
10000% Agree with you. My Thai TC I got 2 months ago died b/c of root rot in very chunky just like your plants. These new Thai TC are definitely a lot weaker. Also you know your shit!! thanks for doing this video.
The new Thai con are SUPER tough to grow. Feels better it’s not only me dealing with this 😅
Thank you for posting sources in the description 🙏
This was nothing but evidence and sourced facts. This is far from missinfo 😂😂
“it came to me in a dream”
Just hearing you worked in the cannibas industry makes me want to buy plants from you even more!
Hahahahah I appreciate that!! 😄
I’m been afraid to spend money one one because of the root rot issue.
This video is the reason I’m now subbed to you - it was the tea that did it for me 😅 (and not that I’m a super research/scientific based approach lover)
lol NOTED!
Him: A need to be right.
You: A need to be honest.
To me, speaking facts is the hallmark of a learned man. He who knows that he does not know everything will say things that people *need* to hear based on his own critical judgement, as opposed to value judgement. And that is why, I respect you for your honest, humble opinions.
Yes, I'm taking a side here because I value honesty & disdain empty platitude. If he were just as gentlemanly then, he'd engage in a civil discourse with you; work together to find the truth. That will greatly benefit the houseplant community. Just saying... 💁🏻♂️
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I was thinking, "that video is saying that thais are more prone to root rot. Why would that help sales?" Lol.
I honestly look forward to your Plant drama videos, the plant community is messy, I love it 🤭
I am so happy to have found this channel, because now I understand why my Thai constellation rotted away, even though I took care of it like a queen.
I saw that video even though I don't follow that guy. I think I must watch a lot of videos about Thai Con, lol. I didn't even finish watching because that guy came off like a flat earther trying to deny science because he thinks something else. It's fine to have a different opinion, a lot of science is differing opinions, but his was just like "I dunno I grew one or two plants so my experience must be all there is". Like a parent whose kids survived school so saying that school shootings don't happen.
Great content! I'm not a big fan of thai con or albo but it's interesting to learn about them. The plant drama videos are also very interesting😊
Yeah I got 4 tc plantlets and everyone died of root rot the moment they got out of the bag. Never had that issue before. Truly think the plant isn’t worth it anymore until they fix the issue with root rot.
I too was very confused when thechplant guy was talking about this V2. Never heared about it.
There is alot of drama about plants, plant community and more. I do like to let people know accurate information. I've had trouble with green Monstera deliciosa, I'm on my fourth one. Not liking growth pattern, and not sure if I love it. I gave myself a deadline. I have finally found some Thai Constellations. The price is a bit high, I found an albo, bit it is crazy expensive. This is why I put a deadline in. I do check info on stuff.
Here foo this gentleman enjoying his teeeeeaaaaaa
Maybe the biggest problem is culture... they are Epiphytes perhaps they should be grown drier and with more air flow.
I mainly grow orchids and to avoid the rot you all get with this plant I would just grow them with fans and water them more then grow them drier.
Pythium/disease requires stagnant moisture.
The only thing I could think about while watching this was “That tea is gonna get cold.”
You are very informative and educating me on your videos. Love hope you responded to the video with research and your clear knowledge of what you are doing. New subscriber 💚
thank you. like so much.
As someone who is coming from a dog breeder perspective (tons of dog breeders don't actually take much interest in genetics, so you'll see similar deflective responses with them as soon as something is up, as you saw in the TechplantChannel's video about thai con's root root issue), what you are explaining makes a lot of sense to me. And researching the Thai Con lately myself, have lead me to the observational conclusion that the modern Thai Con? IS a lot more susceptible to developing root root. That there definitely is a difference between those early ones, and what is hitting the market today. They don't just look changed, they behave different.
This IS how genetics work, btw, that nothing truly stays the same forever with genetics. Not even with perfect cloning methods, as you have if nothing else, at least environmental factors able to affect how genes behave, mutate and change. Tissue Culture is bound to lead to genetic changes and alterations, and sometimes those will be undesirable.
Into this also goes "breeding" if you so will, on young specimen. That hasn't provided you with the opportunity to show you it full genetic predisposition yet. Which very much could be, hey, it is effing really prone to developing root root....
I'm getting my first Thai Con tomorrow, praying I'll have some luck with it. If not. I have begun keeping my eye out for hardier specimens, specifically in Thailand. As I would suspect, it might (hopefully) be easier to find Thai Con's with healthier genetic makeup in the plant's origin country. I'll be costly for me to import such a plant, but yeah. I'm undecided, but still interested enough to actively look for a 'solution'. If it is at all possible to find such.
This video made me subscribe. Cool, calm and collected while quoting reliable sources? Much appreciated!
Damn I love to hear this!! Thank you for the sub!!
never thought i'd be interested in plant drama omgg haha
Good ole plant drama, just when I thought things were getting boring, lol. No but seriously I love your new vie format and research
I LOVE this video and how calmly you’ve broken out to pieces the hysteria of this @techplantchannel guy! Cause from what I’ve seen, all his arguments are childish and full of unsustained emotions - nothing less. You did great! Thank you!
I got my Thai Constellation coming from Thailand and in 2018 pre pandemic. It's healthy. Its been neglected and still producing beautiful variegation.
You got a good one!!
Ill take that offer to acclimate some bags of TC if techplantchannel doesn't
Another great video. I got and lost my first thai to root rot in 2020. My current one has done great and is even in passive hydro, purchased a few years ago. Idk what they are saying, these have come way down in price. I've seen them for as low as $20, how much cheaper are we expecting?
thankful that mine hasnt root rotted, had it for about 1.5 years now, from a pretty small plant, its now about 50cm
We Discover the Origin of Thai Con: th-cam.com/video/nbMCY36XIzY/w-d-xo.html
Becoming obsessed with plant community tea 😂
Been watching videos from this channel for a while now but didn't decide to subscribe until I saw this video.. will subscribe to the other channel also if there is a rebuttal video put out! 😂😂😂 I thought my plants were therapeutic. . . I guess I find the drama surrounding my plants even more therapeutic to me! 😂😂😂
Oh my I love teleserye/drama on plants vlogs. More yay 🤗
More to come!
can I take you up on the offer to send 10 tissue cultures and see how many I can make survive?
I don’t think he was addressing you, my friend. But you are smart and full of valuable info.
I appreciate you watching!
DEAD 😂 best video yet! Plus I actually learned so much. Ty!
This is the best 🤣 TH-cam plant drama lol! That guy is nuts. Thais are definitely in their own zone and it was a real learning curve to take care of them properly vs any other plant in my house.
I have noticed a slight decrease in price, plants that were over $100 are now around $70-80 where I live and my bf and I just got an amazing steal, $55 for an established little Thai with a 3rd leaf coming up 😍 only sad thing is she drowned that hoe before selling it and it definitely didn't need water so now it's on watch 😅 our older thai rotted and we had to cut it back so much we only had 1/4 leaves left and almost lost it. But thanks to you and Kill This Plant, it's doing great and the newest leaf is bigger than my hand with beautiful verigation!
Omg is true cuz i bougth 5 thai during the years and all been rot root and i ended up buying one that it was not tc and that one thrive had it for 2 yrs and she almost 5 feet long and yes tc thai no metter how u care the will die and i been a experice growing since before the pandemic
When does the diss track drop?
A great analogy here would've been photocopying an image then the resulting photocopy, etc etc etc 100x. The image quality degrades rapidly.
This is a fantastic analogy!!! I might borrow this!! Great to see you again 🙏
Might be just me, but the background music was incredibly distracting and made it difficult for me to hear and focus on what you were saying.
The difference of plant influencer and horticulturist
I’m very advanced and actively am helping people with set ups, identify algae, nutrient deficiencies, etc with their aquatic plants. Done this for a long time. So naturally getting into house plants this last year wasn’t a far leap and I’m very successful with keeping those hard to keep plants. People say my living area looks like a plant store and compliment how great my plants look. That said I can say without a doubt that these tai and princess/wizard tissue culture plants have some weakness to their genetics making them VERY susceptible to rot. I’m the person people give struggling plants to for rehab and could not save my tai. At the moment I’m trying to rehab a white wizard philo that just is suffering from what I think old timey docs would call failure to thrive 😅 I reluctantly chopped her back and repotted her so hopefully she’ll make a comeback but holy moly! These two have put me off of holy grail plants! Never again will I follow the latest trend. At the moment I’m really enjoying my philodendron paraiso verde ❤ definitely a much stronger plant and grows so dang fast 😊
didnt think id be watching a video about plant drama, but here I am 😆
The drama I didn't know I needed.