@mahuanhit I kind of understand if they need a second place to stay while working in London that it should be at the employers "tax payers" expense. However having a big swanky house with the heating on full all the time is taking the micky. Build a halls of residence for them to stay in while at London and make them spend the rest of the time in their constituency listening to and addressing the issues there.
Heating allowance should most definitely be removed from MPs, plus a whole lot more allowances which nobody else in work is entitled to! Most MPs today are amongst the wealthiest in the Country, whilst most pensioners and working families whose incomes are a few pounds above the limit to qualify for Pension Credit or Universal Credit are often among the poorest. Such is the justice in modern Britain!
Its called employee benefits and there are plenty of jobs that offer it up and down the country. Expenses are not something unique to MPs . Its the same principle as your employer reimbursing you for having to work away as part of your job. The reason these people have a second home is because their job requires it because they are required to work away from their constituencies so they buy a new home out of their own pocket, pay the mortgage on it out of their own pocket and are simply allowed to claim back expenses on their energy bills for only the second home because their job is the reason they have racked up a second set of energy bills. They are already paying energy bills on their family home and they cannot claim anything back on those. Why are GMB viewers so dense!
UK Pensioners received their ENTITLED increase (that was by the last Tory Government) , NOT a significant pay increase . Energy Bills increased by at least 75%,. Labour LIED about freezing energy bills 2024. Pensioners means tested life-term savings is to a mere £16,000 and their tax threshold is only £12,570. That's Keir Starmer's 'Assisted Death' to UK Pensioners bill already being implemented.
@@sammic7492 what on earth are you raving on about? They wouldnt be paying for your heating unless you owned a second home you were staying in. If you dont own a second home then they would have been paying for your hotel WHICH MEANS THEY WERE PAYING YOUR HEATING AS ITS INCLUDED IN THE COST OF YOUR ROOM
What a joke when he says all he asks to be treated the same as everyone else - everyone else doesn't have someone who buys their cloths and glasses for them, everyone else doesn't get free tickets to concerts, everyone is doesn't have a second home and gets other people to pay for it...everyone else isn't earning over £100,000 a year - this smug man along with the rest of this horrible Labour government are not living in the real world - meanwhile old people will die from the cold, hope he can sleep at night, in his nice warm house! which we are all paying for!! when will it down on people we are all being taken for mugs!!
Its irrelevant what they earn. theres millions who have very good salaries but their employer allows them to claim back expenses. Its one of the benefits of having a decent job
Thus none of them, quite rightly, would qualify. Let's also have their bank accounts examined! I feel sure there would be some discrepancies revealed!!
Again. Ed didn’t ask the question. Quite frankly, how could he have the bare faced cheek to ask Alex Norris, MP when his wife is claiming the same said heating allowance.
Finally someone's asking to right questions. No mps should be allowed to taxpayers to keep them warm when OAP don't have heating. Absolutely disgusting way to treat out older generation.
Every MP should have their Heating Allowance Stopped and they should pay it out of there Wages, like every one else. They have high wages even more if in the Cabinet. SO DO IT.
It wasn't a very difficult decision for them to stop pensioners winter fuel allowances at all, it was a very easy decision for them, they sat in parliament and voted to take away the allowance then cheered at the result in favour to remove the winter fuel allowance from pensioners. I didn't know that Members of Parliament receive a heating allowance ... I FIND THIS ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING and the very thought of it makes me feel sick when the most vulnerable will be sat alone shivering cold over Christmas and beyond. Sickening !!!
Every mp who voted for this abhorrent decision should think of those vulnerable pensioners shivering over this cold winter. They will be forever remembered unlike our pensioners who have given so much to this country, they will go down in infamy.
It's for their second homes. Maybe they need to park one of those migrant barges on the Thames and use it for accommodation of the MPs so they don't need to buy second homes at all.
Why should we pay heating etc for second properties, when I had to work away from home, I was put up in a reasonably priced hotel, and was given a fixed meal allowance. Why can’t MP’s be treated the same?
They Get paid a very good Salary for being an MP: SO NO EXPENSES FOR ADDITIONAL 2nd PROPERTY, TRAVEL, HEATING, FOOD BILL, ""IN OTHER WORDS PAY YOUR WAY THROUGH YOUR OWN LARGE SALARY !!!
They should pay they own energy bills, , also G.MB. suzzana Reid and Co , wants to look at their selves they are also seriously overpaid. All greedy selfish people, help the needy not the very greedy
Labour works from a legal scrip, that's all they got, is it legal that will do me attitude. How can you justify paying people to heat there 2nd home, yet the elderly who are vulnerable to the cold on state pensions get cut, while fuel bills are still going up, and winter is here.
It would NEVER happen.... their snouts are fully in the trough and they have NO intention of ever going without anything they think they're entitled to........GREED.... pure and utter GREED...!!!!!!
the rest of the population doesn't get all their bills paid whilst away from home. Ludicrous and self serving. No matter what party they are members of we now see the truth that MP's don't really care about constituents at all
those difficult decisions are peoples lives , and its the same robotic answers they are a disgrace support the farmers \support the pensioners All MP's should of given up the winter payment
Typical money grabbing self serving MP, he bangs on about pensioners being much better off because of the triple lock (which is BS) and thinks it's ok for them to freeze whilst we pay thousands of pounds a year towards HIS heating. Frankly he earns enough to pay it himself and should I'm sick of this vile people.
Totally disgusting the way they are treating the pensioners. I would not object to the WFA being means tested. BUT pay it this year and then have a year to work out who gets it going ahead and who doesn't..... And MP's MOST DEFINITELY ought not be receiving energy costs as a bonus on top of already high salaries.....
They'll be in power for at least 10 years, a 174 majority cannot be overturned in one Parliament, especially when the Tories and Reform will split the right wing vote
Any mp earning £91000 per annum can afford to pay for their own heating , they should be means tested just like the pensioners who will freeze this winter if there are no allowances for them then there should be none for MPs that’s fair practice what you preach.😢
The answer .couldn't be clearer .yes yes they shouldn't be getting it on there wages .if we pensioners can't get it in our eighties why should they be entitled too it.theres nothing good too say about this labour party.
Difficult decisions don't give you room to take all the wrong decisions. They would struggle to find any UK voter choosing to pay the MPs bills, they would choose to help the pensioners pittance any day
Yes anything or any body over £70,000 wages should not claim anything. WE CANT CCLAIM ANYTHING ON A WAGE OF 20K A YEAR £13,500 AFTER TAX...ITS DISGUSTING HOW the privileged think can just keep taking..
MP's over winter can just spend most of their time in their second home paid for them and have the heating on at will knowing it all paid for them and they get it free. They can avoid going to their main home. This is paid for them all year around too not a one off payment. It scandalous and they defend it without shame, total greed !! They should be paying it out of their enormous salaries, doesn't matter which home out of the two they are in. As usual one rule for MP's another rule for the plebs, minions, peasants etc as they see us, it'll never change !!
Shame on you taking pensioners heating allowance while you get heating allowance for your second homes. With all the money you get surely you can pay for your own heating. And give the money back to pensioners
Yes of course it should. Its shameful that MPs have heat allowances financed by the public, but pensioners are left to fend for themselves and potentially freeze. This is NOT okay with anyone, except Labour MPs.
What's not good enough for the public ? It's not good enough for the government in regards to expenses , all the MPs are paid enough , why do they need to claim for their expenses? Why do they need more than pensioners?
He was paid £91,346 + £30,000 extra in benefits by the public to deliver improvements to society and instead he does the opposite and takes it away. We should definitely fire him and others just like in any other work environment.
Let's all refuse to pay our heating bills and see what they do then , absolutely disgusting the way we are treated by this government , I am a 50's born woman and had to wait 6 extra yrs to receive my hard aged pension ,worked from the age of 17. I'm retired now , and now they are still taking money from me, lost my husband 2 yrs ago, so I am on my own , which makes it doubely worst for me . Also, above the threshold to get my winter fuel allowance. They think because we are going to be better off with the triple lock next April, thats a laugh . They will take it all away in tax , as we will be even more over the threshold. 😢
MPs also get huge subsidies on the food and drink they have at parliament! + help paying mortgage on second homes and one of the best final salary pension scheme in this country. MPs are very greedy people
A couple of hotels in the city should be set aside for any mp who lives o/s of London, then get rid of the second home payments and other allowances. Will it happen, I very much doubt it - snouts in the public money trough 🤬
Most pensioners manage to get up ...do you think they can answer 300 questions for pension credit give us a break....carry on claiming mps you so don't deserve it....any of you ....
Petition should be raised for this! Cancel MP’s heating allowance!
TOO RIGHT! If us pensioners can't have it, why should they get it! Fair's fair!
It already has
@mahuanhit I kind of understand if they need a second place to stay while working in London that it should be at the employers "tax payers" expense.
However having a big swanky house with the heating on full all the time is taking the micky.
Build a halls of residence for them to stay in while at London and make them spend the rest of the time in their constituency listening to and addressing the issues there.
Petitions are pointless, only real power people hold is during elections.
Agree no such thing as a poor politician 😮
Heating allowance should most definitely be removed from MPs, plus a whole lot more allowances which nobody else in work is entitled to! Most MPs today are amongst the wealthiest in the Country, whilst most pensioners and working families whose incomes are a few pounds above the limit to qualify for Pension Credit or Universal Credit are often among the poorest. Such is the justice in modern Britain!
Its called employee benefits and there are plenty of jobs that offer it up and down the country. Expenses are not something unique to MPs . Its the same principle as your employer reimbursing you for having to work away as part of your job. The reason these people have a second home is because their job requires it because they are required to work away from their constituencies so they buy a new home out of their own pocket, pay the mortgage on it out of their own pocket and are simply allowed to claim back expenses on their energy bills for only the second home because their job is the reason they have racked up a second set of energy bills. They are already paying energy bills on their family home and they cannot claim anything back on those. Why are GMB viewers so dense!
No mp no matter what party they are part of should ever get their heating paid for
They get paid don’t they? Use your own money not ours to pay your heating bills
Why is this so difficult for MPs to understand?
@@JustDucky-d9k It’s Animal Farm all over again.
@@margaretspencer9006 so if you had to work away as part of your job youd be happy to pay for the accommodation yourself then?
They all cheered when the pensioners lost their fuel allowance. When I work away my employer does not pay for my heating... where's that BS from??!
UK Pensioners received their ENTITLED increase (that was by the last Tory Government) , NOT a significant pay increase . Energy Bills increased by at least 75%,. Labour LIED about freezing energy bills 2024. Pensioners means tested life-term savings is to a mere £16,000 and their tax threshold is only £12,570. That's Keir Starmer's 'Assisted Death' to UK Pensioners bill already being implemented.
Nor did my employer when I worked away, food yes heating not a chance.
Some companies like one I work for, pay for board and lodging as well as extra pay for food if you work away from your main place of work.
@@ascelot I have worked for places where I got a per diem, when away. Just a fixed amount per day and how I spent it was down to me.
@@sammic7492 what on earth are you raving on about? They wouldnt be paying for your heating unless you owned a second home you were staying in. If you dont own a second home then they would have been paying for your hotel WHICH MEANS THEY WERE PAYING YOUR HEATING AS ITS INCLUDED IN THE COST OF YOUR ROOM
Absolutely why should they get heating allowance
HERE HERE.
Because THEY make the rules for THEIR own benefit, no one else's. Don't do as I do, do as I say!.
Then sit in subsidise d
@@paulbird3235 Some of us are more equal than others.
This selfish man couldn’t care less about anybody as long as he’s sorted his face tells you that. 🇬🇧
Spot on
What a joke when he says all he asks to be treated the same as everyone else - everyone else doesn't have someone who buys their cloths and glasses for them, everyone else doesn't get free tickets to concerts, everyone is doesn't have a second home and gets other people to pay for it...everyone else isn't earning over £100,000 a year - this smug man along with the rest of this horrible Labour government are not living in the real world - meanwhile old people will die from the cold, hope he can sleep at night, in his nice warm house! which we are all paying for!! when will it down on people we are all being taken for mugs!!
He had no shame in the matter.
They should also be stopped having subsidised 3 course meals for under £10
Disgusting when pensions having to chose heating or eating
And they voted for pensioners heating allowance taken away!! No MP from any party should have their heating paid for!
cancel mp heating and food canteen discounts all from our money
so the poor can rot
Rules for them and rules for us mortals 😢
MPs should have the heating allowance removed they earn good money a person getting a pension doesn’t
Its irrelevant what they earn. theres millions who have very good salaries but their employer allows them to claim back expenses. Its one of the benefits of having a decent job
NO ! But means test them like they did to the pensioners , if they got a Salary over the minimum wage then they can’t claim anything ! 💕
Thus none of them, quite rightly, would qualify. Let's also have their bank accounts examined! I feel sure there would be some discrepancies revealed!!
Exactly 💯 they should do that
👍👍👍👍
Notice that Ed was very quiet during this discussion. Wonder how much his wife claims!
Good point.
Better still, notice that he didn’t ask the question. Did anyone notice Ed looking shameful. Not a jot of shame.
They can’t defend the undefendable.
It they’ll certainly give it a good go😡
Shame on all Liebour voters!
CANCEL ALL MPs HEATING ALLOWANCES
Definitely. They get enough wages, allowances AND freebies !!
All the MPs should be ashamed for claiming expenses, they don't need it .
Perhaps Ed can persuade his wife to give up her heating allowance,erm .i don’t think so .
Again. Ed didn’t ask the question. Quite frankly, how could he have the bare faced cheek to ask Alex Norris, MP when his wife is claiming the same said heating allowance.
Rupert Lowe, Reform party, donates his entire salary to charity. Nigel Farage, Reform Party, doesn’t claim expenses.
This is the problem with MPs they treat the public, like 2nd class citizens, and the MPs take the rewards
And there gold plated pensions.
Corruption of the highest order.
Finally someone's asking to right questions. No mps should be allowed to taxpayers to keep them warm when OAP don't have heating. Absolutely disgusting way to treat out older generation.
This just proves even on £120+K some people still have no morals!
That’s what I was thinking 🤔
Every MP should have their Heating Allowance Stopped and they should pay it out of there Wages, like every one else. They have high wages even more if in the Cabinet. SO DO IT.
It wasn't a very difficult decision for them to stop pensioners winter fuel allowances at all, it was a very easy decision for them, they sat in parliament and voted to take away the allowance then cheered at the result in favour to remove the winter fuel allowance from pensioners.
I didn't know that Members of Parliament receive a heating allowance ... I FIND THIS ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING and the very thought of it makes me feel sick when the most vulnerable will be sat alone shivering cold over Christmas and beyond. Sickening !!!
They won't be just shivering , many will die but the Labour MPs thinks it's a price worth paying.
Every mp who voted for this abhorrent decision should think of those vulnerable pensioners shivering over this cold winter. They will be forever remembered unlike our pensioners who have given so much to this country, they will go down in infamy.
It's for their second homes. Maybe they need to park one of those migrant barges on the Thames and use it for accommodation of the MPs so they don't need to buy second homes at all.
Why should we pay heating etc for second properties, when I had to work away from home, I was put up in a reasonably priced hotel, and was given a fixed meal allowance. Why can’t MP’s be treated the same?
Never answer a direct question
They Get paid a very good Salary for being an MP: SO NO EXPENSES FOR ADDITIONAL 2nd PROPERTY, TRAVEL, HEATING, FOOD BILL, ""IN OTHER WORDS PAY YOUR WAY THROUGH YOUR OWN LARGE SALARY !!!
Not to mention the subsidised "works canteens" in the House of Commons.
@@philarthur2777 It’s a racket subsided by tax payers.
Put all MPs on £15 per hour with no allowance
Put all MP on £12.21 per hour with no allowance.
Enjoy the next 4 years as you are out after that. This will not be forgotten .
By God will they pay. People will remember and vote accordingly.
They shouldn't get any expenses paid .
Rachel Thieves got an accountant to do her tax form and charged the cost £1225 on her expenses, and she’s the chancellor what a joke ffs
That's why they want the job the money.
"We inherited these problems from the Tories, we had to make difficult decisions" it's just the same rhetoric they say over and over 😤😡
But nonetheless true
@@michaelbonham8524 Yeah, ok, but 6 months into Labour's government they can't keep using the same excuses
@@michaelbonham8524.. I bet you’ve forgotten the letter ?😉
I don’t care what bs they are spewing. No MP should get heating allowance when they have withdrawn it from our pensioners.
Why should we pay the fuel bills for ministers who own a 4 million pound second home in London, come on there should be a limit .
Everyone is finally waking up.
Why can't MPs use their own money to pay for things. They are not exactly poor
Does not matter what side the MP's are on, they are all in it for themselves.
They don't deserve it .they get paid enough.
How the heck do you tell 80-90 year olds to go sign up for the tripple lock BS' These people are a joke...
They should pay they own energy bills, , also G.MB. suzzana Reid and Co , wants to look at their selves they are also seriously overpaid. All greedy selfish people, help the needy not the very greedy
This makes my blood boil. Donations come to mind
Labour works from a legal scrip, that's all they got, is it legal that will do me attitude.
How can you justify paying people to heat there 2nd home,
yet the elderly who are vulnerable to the cold on state pensions get cut,
while fuel bills are still going up, and winter is here.
I feel another petition coming out…….
He better save up because in 4 years time he will be the on the dole
Or sooner
@@patrickhatrick1216 Could we be that fortunate!
That Minister did not answer the question he fobbed it off. Made excuses. Is he any different from anyother thief of the realm?
Yes 100% I get £9,980 a year get no heating allowance, they earn around £80.000 so work that out
Remember the MP expenses scandal they will never change ,they are
Living in the Westminster bubble.
Pure greed totally disgraceful- they should be ashamed- !!!!
The chances of getting any MP from the sitting government to admit to a mistake are precisely ... 0!
It would NEVER happen.... their snouts are fully in the trough and they have NO intention of ever going without anything they think they're entitled to........GREED.... pure and utter GREED...!!!!!!
Well said.
the rest of the population doesn't get all their bills paid whilst away from home. Ludicrous and self serving. No matter what party they are members of we now see the truth that MP's don't really care about constituents at all
Hear, hear 👏
They cheered at the difficult decision ,to cheer means you are happy
those difficult decisions are peoples lives , and its the same robotic answers they are a disgrace support the farmers \support the pensioners All MP's should of given up the winter payment
Typical money grabbing self serving MP, he bangs on about pensioners being much better off because of the triple lock (which is BS) and thinks it's ok for them to freeze whilst we pay thousands of pounds a year towards HIS heating. Frankly he earns enough to pay it himself and should I'm sick of this vile people.
I have a feeling the UK people are going to wake up and there will be an almighty TRUMP-like revolution.
Totally disgusting the way they are treating the pensioners. I would not object to the WFA being means tested. BUT pay it this year and then have a year to work out who gets it going ahead and who doesn't..... And MP's MOST DEFINITELY ought not be receiving energy costs as a bonus on top of already high salaries.....
Labour will never see power again when this term in government ends.
They'll be in power for at least 10 years, a 174 majority cannot be overturned in one Parliament, especially when the Tories and Reform will split the right wing vote
@@michaelbonham8524 hopefully not we might have to suffer until 2029 but I hope not
@@michaelbonham8524 Never say never. They will not be in power because all those Labour voters either know or have pensioners in their families.
Any mp earning £91000 per annum can afford to pay for their own heating , they should be means tested just like the pensioners who will freeze this winter if there are no allowances for them then there should be none for MPs that’s fair practice what you preach.😢
Double standards in public life and in the workplace is breathtaking!
Mps should not be allowed to claim their enegy bills on second homes
Or their first home 😮
@@annealbrecht396 i think they pay for 1st homes themselves
Im your employer and i refuse you to be paid for heating 😅
The answer .couldn't be clearer .yes yes they shouldn't be getting it on there wages .if we pensioners can't get it in our eighties why should they be entitled too it.theres nothing good too say about this labour party.
Can’t believe they still take it the spongers!!
Who has any respect for these MPS?
Disgrace MPs heating their own homes gratis too the taxpayers yet removing winter fuel allowance off hard pressed pensioners shame on them
Grifters every one of them who claims it.
Difficult decisions don't give you room to take all the wrong decisions. They would struggle to find any UK voter choosing to pay the MPs bills, they would choose to help the pensioners pittance any day
Every day, ten times over. They thought they could sneak this bill in with the bs of ‘we’ve inherited a terrible mess’.
The answer is "yes". What's the prize?
Why should they get heating allowance when taking away from pensioner s
Why always blame the last government?
That’s all Labour have to say.
Mp shouldn't get funded for anything they want it they should pay for it
I cannot believe this. Of course they should have it taken off them. The amount they earn. All pensioners should get it
Yes anything or any body over £70,000 wages should not claim anything. WE CANT CCLAIM ANYTHING ON A WAGE OF 20K A YEAR £13,500 AFTER TAX...ITS DISGUSTING HOW the privileged think can just keep taking..
MP's over winter can just spend most of their time in their second home paid for them and have the heating on at will knowing it all paid for them and they get it free. They can avoid going to their main home. This is paid for them all year around too not a one off payment. It scandalous and they defend it without shame, total greed !!
They should be paying it out of their enormous salaries, doesn't matter which home out of the two they are in.
As usual one rule for MP's another rule for the plebs, minions, peasants etc as they see us, it'll never change !!
Shame on you taking pensioners heating allowance while you get heating allowance for your second homes. With all the money you get surely you can pay for your own heating. And give the money back to pensioners
Tory MP Nadhim Zahawi admited taxpayers paid £5,800 power bill ...for his stables. 🐎🐎🐎His 2nd home??
@@SimonSmith-yd6tt how disgusting is that
Liz Kendell labour mp lives in a 4 million pound house and claims taxpayers money to heat her home...red Tory blue Tory uniparty
Neigh! Surely not!
It’s wrong AND?
@@SimonSmith-yd6tt stop reporting comments karen
Yes of course it should. Its shameful that MPs have heat allowances financed by the public, but pensioners are left to fend for themselves and potentially freeze. This is NOT okay with anyone, except Labour MPs.
What's not good enough for the public ? It's not good enough for the government in regards to expenses , all the MPs are paid enough , why do they need to claim for their expenses? Why do they need more than pensioners?
They have a sense of entitlement of course.
Yes obviously! Why should they get benefits the worthy are being denied
Take the houses off them, and get them to stay in "irregular migrant" hotels, sorted!
They should cancel the second home profits.
And then divert the money to heat pensioners homes!
Wow!! so who voted for this?? give yourselves a slap
Try looking at your own reflection and see who you have become.
Of course it should , the very idea that they are receiving the benefit is completely ridiculous. As it said it is a benefit .
He was paid £91,346 + £30,000 extra in benefits by the public to deliver improvements to society and instead he does the opposite and takes it away. We should definitely fire him and others just like in any other work environment.
Yes: they earn a perfectly good salary, and many have outside interests. Why pay them extra perks?
They are all just scroungers, prey on the vulnerable, should be jailed
Let's all refuse to pay our heating bills and see what they do then , absolutely disgusting the way we are treated by this government , I am a 50's born woman and had to wait 6 extra yrs to receive my hard aged pension ,worked from the age of 17. I'm retired now , and now they are still taking money from me, lost my husband 2 yrs ago, so I am on my own , which makes it doubely worst for me .
Also, above the threshold to get my winter fuel allowance.
They think because we are going to be better off with the triple lock next April, thats a laugh . They will take it all away in tax , as we will be even more over the threshold. 😢
MPs also get huge subsidies on the food and drink they have at parliament! + help paying mortgage on second homes and one of the best final salary pension scheme in this country. MPs are very greedy people
This is so wrong on so many levels and his blasé attitude is even more disturbing.
No other word only Disgusting
SHAMEFUL
What arethey are not doing enough for the public ? Why should we pay for their luxury lifestyle ?
YES REMOVE THEIR ENTITLEMENT, GREEDY AND WELL PAID
It's an absolute disgrace karma is in store for them .
Where does all the money really go ???
Into the pockets of unscrupulous builders and councillors
Well done Susanna, it's nice to know that someone understands how hard it is for pensioners.
You would think it was common sense. Why don't they even think about pensioners and defend them?
Yes they get paid plenty
How much does the taxpayer pay for M.P.s heating.....FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST PLEASE.............
Well yes
A couple of hotels in the city should be set aside for any mp who lives o/s of London, then get rid of the second home payments and other allowances. Will it happen, I very much doubt it - snouts in the public money trough 🤬
Most pensioners manage to get up ...do you think they can answer 300 questions for pension credit give us a break....carry on claiming mps you so don't deserve it....any of you ....
pay the elderly grandma her money back.
And the government should be the first to volunteer to try out ‘ assisted dying’
The only thing he can commit to is. We like all politicians will keep on raking in all the expenses they can. They have no shame.
Corrupt to the core
Mps should not be allowed to claim anything they get paid more than they are worth as it is stop the gray area's stop the problems