Hi Dr Foster! I wanted to express my appreciation for your informative videos. I've been exploring the realm of motor development, and I couldn't help but draw parallels with the Ebbinghaus forgetting curve, which offers insights into the optimal timing for applying the spacing effect in cognitive learning. It does so by identifying when individuals tend to forget new information and then suggests reinforcing the learning process accordingly, based on the curve's trajectory. My current inquiry revolves around the existence of a comparable concept in the domain of motor learning. Specifically, I'm interested in understanding when the best time might be to revisit and reinforce a newly acquired motor skill. Additionally, I'm keen to explore how many repetitions are typically required to progress through each stage of motor skill learning. I was wondering if you are aware of any relevant studies or resources that shed light on this subject. Your expertise and guidance in this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thank you
Thanks so much for sharing about your interests and what you're working on. You asked if there is a comparable concept to the Ebbinghaus forgetting curve in motor learning, but this concept applies to all areas of learning, including motor learning. We don't need a comparable theory, because it applies here too! You mentioned that you are looking to explore how many repetitions are typically required to progress through each stage of motor skill learning. There is no answer to this question because it depends entirely on the complexity of the skill and the qualities of the performer. There is no prescribed number of repetitions or days of practice or anything that would apply universally because it depends on so many different variables in each unique context. About more information and resources on the subject, have you watched any of my other videos on my Motor Control and Learning playlist? If you go to my channel (www.youtube.com/@DrVeronicaFoster) you will be able to see several different playlists by subject. This playlist is essentially all of the lectures for a graduate course I teach on the subject, and several of the videos are relevant to what you are asking here. In particular, you might like to watch these videos: Memory: th-cam.com/video/L4m5HjImT2Y/w-d-xo.html Remembering and Forgetting: th-cam.com/video/ch53KiXHQ-s/w-d-xo.html Timing of Augmented Feedback: th-cam.com/video/eWxzmCG3mag/w-d-xo.html Distribution of Practice: th-cam.com/video/T4W_yOYvu9c/w-d-xo.html I hope this helps, and thank you for watching!
@@DrVeronicaFoster Thank you for your reply. I'm going through as many of your videos as I can, lol! I'm applying these principles to the guitar and motor skill development. Just one more question if I may, as I know your time is valuable. In terms of walking gait vs. running gait, is there an equivalent in wrist speed development? Considering each gait is a different form of procedural movement, I find there is something comparable to wrist speed development. I don't think it's the right term, but I find that playing the guitar at slow tempos (down-up pick motion) - I'll colloquially call it "walking gait" - there is a conscious focus around the tips of my fingers. As I transition to faster speeds, I notice I hit an efficiency "wall," which feels like power walking and is taking up a significant amount of energy. Then I transition into a "running gait/speed" type of motion that is loose, and the conscious focus is now more on the wrist. Do you know of any terms to describe each stage of movement, and is using the walking/running gait a good analogy or equivalent? Thank you again!"
Hi again, if I'm understanding what you are trying to say, what you are describing here with both gait and guitar playing is an example of dynamical systems theory. I think watching that video might answer your questions: th-cam.com/video/Htjoq7x8zgo/w-d-xo.html
They are similar, but not the same. There are lots of different theories and models for understanding the stages of progression we go through as we're learning. In my video, I discussed Fitts and Posner's three stage model and Gentile's two stage model. What you are asking about here is Noel Birch's stages of competence model. So it is the same in the sense that they are all models to help us understand how people learn, but they are not the same in the sense that they are different models developed by different people to understand the phases through different lenses. I hope that helps, and thanks so much for watching!
you are very welcome! Feel free to comment on any of my videos while you’re studying and I’ll be happy to answer your questions
Hi Dr Foster! I wanted to express my appreciation for your informative videos. I've been exploring the realm of motor development, and I couldn't help but draw parallels with the Ebbinghaus forgetting curve, which offers insights into the optimal timing for applying the spacing effect in cognitive learning. It does so by identifying when individuals tend to forget new information and then suggests reinforcing the learning process accordingly, based on the curve's trajectory.
My current inquiry revolves around the existence of a comparable concept in the domain of motor learning. Specifically, I'm interested in understanding when the best time might be to revisit and reinforce a newly acquired motor skill. Additionally, I'm keen to explore how many repetitions are typically required to progress through each stage of motor skill learning.
I was wondering if you are aware of any relevant studies or resources that shed light on this subject. Your expertise and guidance in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
Thanks so much for sharing about your interests and what you're working on. You asked if there is a comparable concept to the Ebbinghaus forgetting curve in motor learning, but this concept applies to all areas of learning, including motor learning. We don't need a comparable theory, because it applies here too!
You mentioned that you are looking to explore how many repetitions are typically required to progress through each stage of motor skill learning. There is no answer to this question because it depends entirely on the complexity of the skill and the qualities of the performer. There is no prescribed number of repetitions or days of practice or anything that would apply universally because it depends on so many different variables in each unique context.
About more information and resources on the subject, have you watched any of my other videos on my Motor Control and Learning playlist? If you go to my channel (www.youtube.com/@DrVeronicaFoster) you will be able to see several different playlists by subject. This playlist is essentially all of the lectures for a graduate course I teach on the subject, and several of the videos are relevant to what you are asking here. In particular, you might like to watch these videos:
Memory: th-cam.com/video/L4m5HjImT2Y/w-d-xo.html
Remembering and Forgetting: th-cam.com/video/ch53KiXHQ-s/w-d-xo.html
Timing of Augmented Feedback: th-cam.com/video/eWxzmCG3mag/w-d-xo.html
Distribution of Practice: th-cam.com/video/T4W_yOYvu9c/w-d-xo.html
I hope this helps, and thank you for watching!
@@DrVeronicaFoster Thank you for your reply. I'm going through as many of your videos as I can, lol! I'm applying these principles to the guitar and motor skill development. Just one more question if I may, as I know your time is valuable. In terms of walking gait vs. running gait, is there an equivalent in wrist speed development? Considering each gait is a different form of procedural movement, I find there is something comparable to wrist speed development. I don't think it's the right term, but I find that playing the guitar at slow tempos (down-up pick motion) - I'll colloquially call it "walking gait" - there is a conscious focus around the tips of my fingers. As I transition to faster speeds, I notice I hit an efficiency "wall," which feels like power walking and is taking up a significant amount of energy. Then I transition into a "running gait/speed" type of motion that is loose, and the conscious focus is now more on the wrist. Do you know of any terms to describe each stage of movement, and is using the walking/running gait a good analogy or equivalent? Thank you again!"
Hi again, if I'm understanding what you are trying to say, what you are describing here with both gait and guitar playing is an example of dynamical systems theory. I think watching that video might answer your questions: th-cam.com/video/Htjoq7x8zgo/w-d-xo.html
@@DrVeronicaFoster Thank you again!
you are very welcome! Feel free to comment on any of my videos while you’re studying and I’ll be happy to answer your questions
Is this the same as unconscious incompetence to unconscious competence stages?
They are similar, but not the same. There are lots of different theories and models for understanding the stages of progression we go through as we're learning. In my video, I discussed Fitts and Posner's three stage model and Gentile's two stage model. What you are asking about here is Noel Birch's stages of competence model. So it is the same in the sense that they are all models to help us understand how people learn, but they are not the same in the sense that they are different models developed by different people to understand the phases through different lenses. I hope that helps, and thanks so much for watching!