Great vid, great subject. The Rocketeer is not only a cherished childhood touchstone of mine but one of the seminal movies that made me a movie lover for life. I've since shared it with my own kids and it's part of our film repertoire,my son's favorite scene was the same as mine- that patriotic bit of business from Eddie Valentine... and Cthulhu knows we could use a few more Eddie V's at my home land rn Which brings me to my apology for being absent lately, world events conspire with personal shit to keep me feeling down for now. Thank you for what you do, it helps, and I will catch up with the vids I missed. Also with King of the Rocket Men which looks awesome
I really love both of these. I saw both at the cinema, and they really deserve to be seen that way. 'The Shadow' in particular - the creepy sound mixing of characters' telepathic dialogue is astonishing - even on my home system, it flows sinuously across the stereo field in all directions. In the cinema, it was incredible. So many fantastic and startling images in this movie, too - John Lone's character in a robe that matches the floor pattern exactly - the POV of the message being sent to The Shadow's agents. Jerry Goldsmith's score is perfect, too, in places eerie and unsettling. That the movie was directed by the man who used to direct Duran Duran videos (a lot of fannying about in yachts, I seem to recall), is no surprise.
I love both of these movies. It is a pity their franchises never got off the ground. I would quibble a bit about the star of the Rocketeer-- I think as the first movie introducing the character he was a good pick; a midwestern 'everyman'. When I make my billions I plan to fund a reboot of the Rocketeer that follows the comics a bit closer--including when he meets the Shadow, then I'll spin off the Shadow movies. The Shadow, The Rocketeer, The Spirit, and John Carter would make a heck of a movie festival!
George Clooney in the early 90's had all the screen presence of a styrofoam cup. Wasn't until 1996 Dusk Till Dawn did he get much better at acting. I'm a fan of The Rocketeer and you do bring a great what if of the main cast. Thanks Terry
Really, George Clooney, it would have been like watching an episode of Beverly Hills 90210. I'm sorry, who ever said that man could act. You're right, Styrofoam cup.
Great reviews Terry. My first time watching & enjoying these 2 films was yrs later after their release on free tv. Being a OST nut, my biggest take away were the scores by James Horner, and especially by the great Jerry Goldsmith for The Shadow both of which I own. It seems headlining a film series (I hate the word "franchise," it makes me think of a fast food chain 😊) was not be for Alec Baldwin since he also did not continue as Jack Ryan either.
LOVE that you're talking about both of these films, Terry. I especially love The Shadow, It was gorgeous looking and a lot of fun, with one of Jerry Goldsmiths best scores. Along with Taylor Daynes incredible version of "Original Sin". The Rocketeer is just pure lighthearted family fun. A Great James Horner score and Timothy Dalton just chewing the scenery up with glee. I'm kind of sad that Billy Campbell never became a bigger star. He had the looks , the talent and the charm.
I absolutely love both these films. I was lucky enough to see them in the theatre on their opening night. A longtime fan of both characters, I was so happy that they did justice to them.
I'll forgive The Rocketeer a lot since it was a lot of fun and one of the first movies I went to see with my Dad in the cinema. I think it was that movie that left me with a life long appreciation of anything Jennifer Connolly appears in. Very disappointed with the blu ray release though, absolutely bare bones.
two of my favorites guilty pleasure I add The Phantom In the Comics of The Rocketeer , It was implied it was Doc Savage that made the Jet Pack There was a joke in a latter Doc Savage comic that the Jet Pack does not work as well since they got it back from the kid in California And the Shadow made an appearance in the second miniseries of the Rocketeer The Cobalt Club is from the Shadow Pulp So is the network of the Shadow helpers and the tubes to communicate
@@terrytalksmovies I agree with you on the world building Of course I have a bias because my Grandfather was a fan of the radio show and had a bunch on Cassette as well as some of the originals pulps He exposed me to them and when he died , the family said "Give them to Patrick . He like weird stuff like that "
Terry, I have enjoyed your channel for many years even donated a few times, but last few years, family hard hit by covid and other medical stuff. Saw the rocketeer on disney channel here is the US, when it was new, and actually like the 50's serial better. you have changed my opinion on many films for the better, Keep up the good work!
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I love The Rocketeer and use it mainly as a pick-me-up occasionally. Alan Arkin is terrific in it and Jenifer Connelly is just so grooowwwwwrrrrrr. As usual, haven't seen The Shadow. But but but I last night finally watched In the Mood for Love and was blown away by it. A truly great film that will now very much be on my watch-frequently-list, so thanks for the prompt last week, it's really appreciated.
"Say? Aren't you Leonard Nimoy...?" 😂 I'm jealous you got it as a set of the Rocketman movies! I had to buy them separately from various sources, including a few of lower-quality than the others....
I really like WW2 pulp matinee style Joe Johnston uses in The Rocketeer. My favorite moment is when he stands in front of the flag (which is an image directly lifted from the comic) and rockets up to the Zeppelin while Paul Sorvino says "go get him, kid" - unabashedly corny, I know and a similar moment was in his Captain America movie where Peggy says the same to Steve before he gets into the bomber to stop Red skull. I do agree with you on The Shadow. I liked Howard chaykin's comic book where Lamont Cranston crashed in the Himalayas and got his powers in Shangri-la which was depicted as an Asian version of Wakanda. I wish we could've seen that on screen!
Loved both these films as well as The Phantom with Billy Zane in the lead and Treat Williams as the villain. Something about that time when Hollywood went towards pulp comics (including The Spirit which sadly went south!)....
Russel Mulcahy has had a fascinating low-rent larrikin career among the Australians in Hollywood. The Shadow was his last shot at the big time - it flopped, and from then on he was largely relegated to straight-to-video territory. (Ah, but it was the golden age for straight-to-video!) Still, he never gave up, and he can claim a good part of the credit for inventing the smoky, glowing look of late 1980s pulp cinema, with films like Razorback and Highlander...
I was a fan of the Rocketeer comic and was a little let down with the movie until I started watching it with the kids. They love it and seeing it thru their eyes was nice. Honestly a movie about resisting that type of bad guy sounds pretty good right now. I've never seen the Shadow BUT I saw a video last week where a guy was suggesting that it was great and would have been better in black and white. Dying to see it now and can't wait to get a copy.
I've always thought The Rocketeer has always been a hoh-hum movie to me, and you put your finger on what's wrong with it - Disney. This was the beginning of the end for Disney as a home for good movies as opposed to franchise city. Now Shadow, and to a similar extent Phantom, I've seen both of those movies dozens of times. Not perfect movies, but close enough for me. And that Cord taxi, omg it's so beautiful! I love that movie just for having that car in it.
I enjoyed both these movies though I agree with you, Terry, that one lacked a compelling hero and the other a compelling villain. I liked The Phantom even more since I thought Billy Zane and Treat Williams both clicked in bringing to life the comic book serial feel of the movie.
Thanks for your continued shout-outs to Doc Savage, one of my major heros during my early teens. I'm sure you know about 'Doc Savage: His Apocalyptic Life' by P J Farmer. If you don't know it, it would be my pleasure to send you a copy.
So, you know about the Griffith Observatory ( you can see the "HOLLYWOOD" sign from there! It was my favorite place to go when I was a child. It had all kinds of science stuff, and I loved science (and science fiction). I ended up studying science in college, and working in the medical arm of applied science. The "Rocketeer" was pretty tame, but entertaining enough. I'm pretty sure I saw "The Shadow", but don't remember it very well, so I willl find and re-watch it. I like pulp inspired movies placed in the 30's and 40's. By the way, The Doors were my favorite band since I first heard them on the AM radio in 1967 as a callow teen age punk!
Just last week I made a black & white version (calling it a fan edit seems like overstating it) of "The Shadow". Thank you for this since I think I might try the same with "The Rocketeer" now. Amp up the 1930s/serial vibe. Agree to disagree with you on Jennifer Connelly, though.
Missed a trick with not casting Tsai Chin as the baddie in The Shadow. She deserved a shot at the lead baddie, still around apparently , in her 90s. Thought of you yesterday afternoon after the cat decided her afternoon nap was going to be on my office chair. Came across the Italian 1960s ScFi "Star Pilot"... again touches on rather prescient subject matter and has a properly unexpected conclusion. Nice to find a "crap however fun" film I'd not been aware of. Must have missed it in my copy of Weldon's "The Psychotronic Video Guide". It's on here if you're interested. Oh 4K limited release on Arrow of the "Man With No Name" trilogy. I think over the years "A Few Dollars More" has become my favourite. One thing about those films used to upset my slightly OCD nature. The scenes involving trains always looked as if filmed in the wrong aspect ratio. Then I realised, they have a whole network of 5 ft 5 inch tracks. That's why they look odd.
I love (even with their problems) all of those '90s movies based on the '30s pulp and comic heroes (and the one imitator)! Have you ever looked at the old Shadow pulp cover art? Those were great!
The way I heard it, the Shadow started on radio as merely the narrator of crime stories with his signature phrase about knowing the evil in the hearts of men. Then due to audience interest, they made him a full pulp character in magazines and then his own radio show. I liked both of these films, too bad 30s/40s nostalgia didn't extend beyond Indiana Jones. I always liked Jennifer Connelly but you my be right she isn't quite right. Loved the gangsters & FBI agents bonding over shooting at Nazis. Yeah, the villain and evil plot in The Shadow kind of falls flat. I have some of the radio shows, they are a lot of fun.
i have to say i always find jennifer connelly sizzleing on screen, i normaly do a tripple bill of these 2 along with The Phantom for my great nieces and nephews when they are foolishly left in my care
For some reason I thought the Shadow came out a little later in the 90s, I`d discovered the Shadow Radio shows with Orson Wells not too long before the movie came out so at the time I was disappointed by the movie which felt very different to me. Maybe I`ll give it a rewatch sometime to see if 30 plus years later my opinion of it is different.
I saw both of these in the theater. Both great fun. I’m amazed no one’s mentioned Alan Arkin in ‘Wait until dark”. Best villain ever! How’s this for a sort of “pulp” avengers- Doc Savage recruits the Rocketeer, the Shadow, Green Hornet, and Flash Gordon to battle Fu Manchu who is vying to corner the opium market and replace world leaders with look-alike. They also run into the elderly Sherlock Holmes and Lord Greystoke who are working against Fu from the European angle.
I feel like CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FIRST AVENGER is the movie Joe Johnston wanted THE ROCKETEER to be. He finally had a hero who wasn't acted off the screen by the villain, and a heroine who was easily the hero's equal. Slot Chris Evans and Haley Atwell into Billy Campbell's and Jennifer Connolly's roles, and that's a movie that WORKS...!
To be fair? Neville St. Clair threw himself out of that zeppelin-admittedly, he thought with a functioning rocket pack, not one with a hole in the fuel tank. I love Timothy Dalton's St. Clair-he plays a rotter so perfectly, with just a touch of sadness at how corrupt he's become, that he outclasses his co-stars, easily.
I listened to THE SHADOW on Armed Forces Network growing up, and I don't remember him ever having been a drug lord, which even at its "spiciest" didn't fit the pulp worldview of the time. That felt like a contemporary addition to be "modern" and "dark"-like that talentless hack ZackSnyder! making Superman and Batman into killers.
I saw The Shadow when it came out in the cinema. I thought it was a lot of fun. It was a shame about the poor timing of its release. I understand why kids loved The Lion King, but I must be the only person on earth who wasn't crazy about The Mask.
I really didn't like those movies at First But Years a little while ago I bought those On Blu-ray and watched Them and I really enjoyed them a lot More maybe They released those Too Soon Hey?🤔
I liked the shadow till Baldwin because he and Gibson are like twins now the rocketer was to me was Disney Channel answer to spelbergh empire nice but no wow factor that's my two cents good reviews Terry have good weekend grant
I was a huge fan of the old Hollywood serials and radio series during the 1970s. Flash Gordon, The Shadow, The green Hornet and on and on. I went to the opening night of The Shadow, and it was "ok", I guess. 99% of the audience didn't know about The Shadow, so for them it was derivative of Indiana Jones. The movie lacked something that would have made it a hit. I don't know if it was a problem with casting, writing or directing or what, but there was something missing, or perhaps there was something added that didn't need to be there in the first place. Even with years to reflect, it still eludes me what was wrong with that movie. It is a shame that The Shadow is a property that can't be modernized. By the mid 60s video security and surveillance was becoming a thing, and that renders Cranston's main advantage useless. If The Shadow was made as a contemporaneous film it would have to be an absurd comedy... The power to cloud men's minds, except everybody carries a Shadow spotting device in their pocket.
Correction: ITS NOT A JET PACK. Jets are absolutely different from ROCKETS. Not the same thing. Ever. Completely dissimilar. Two entirely different machines. It's a ROCKET PACK. He's not The Jet-e-teer.
@terrytalksmovies explain your definition of "works like". Because if you ever see a jet with flames coming out the back end, it's not "working like a jet".
In the Disney reboot, the Rocketeer will defeat everyone easily with superior skill and with pithy quips and then go home to her wife for a hug and a cry 😂
Terry thanks for setting me up for Saturday viewing. It is cold and snowy outside so these 2 will be a good Saturday rewatch. I always appreciated these movies and love Alan Arkins" performance in the Rocketeer. I can't think of a movie he is in that he has a bad performance. Once again great video.
Same about Arkin. I particularly loved him in Freebie and the Bean, Catch-22, and The Russians are Coming. He not only always delivers, he makes it look effortless.
James Hong is in every film since 1953. One of the longest Hollywood careers ever, he still is working.
Forget it KaBoom BOX
It's Chinatown.
He lived through the Asian stereotyping and punched right through.
Great vid, great subject. The Rocketeer is not only a cherished childhood touchstone of mine but one of the seminal movies that made me a movie lover for life. I've since shared it with my own kids and it's part of our film repertoire,my son's favorite scene was the same as mine- that patriotic bit of business from Eddie Valentine... and Cthulhu knows we could use a few more Eddie V's at my home land rn
Which brings me to my apology for being absent lately, world events conspire with personal shit to keep me feeling down for now. Thank you for what you do, it helps, and I will catch up with the vids I missed. Also with King of the Rocket Men which looks awesome
That's okay, Adam. Real life gets in the way of enjoyable stuff sometimes. Take care of business, the channel will always be here. 😀
I really love both of these. I saw both at the cinema, and they really deserve to be seen that way. 'The Shadow' in particular - the creepy sound mixing of characters' telepathic dialogue is astonishing - even on my home system, it flows sinuously across the stereo field in all directions. In the cinema, it was incredible. So many fantastic and startling images in this movie, too - John Lone's character in a robe that matches the floor pattern exactly - the POV of the message being sent to The Shadow's agents. Jerry Goldsmith's score is perfect, too, in places eerie and unsettling.
That the movie was directed by the man who used to direct Duran Duran videos (a lot of fannying about in yachts, I seem to recall), is no surprise.
The Shadow is very bold in the way it conveyed its information. Underrated.
I love both of these movies. It is a pity their franchises never got off the ground. I would quibble a bit about the star of the Rocketeer-- I think as the first movie introducing the character he was a good pick; a midwestern 'everyman'.
When I make my billions I plan to fund a reboot of the Rocketeer that follows the comics a bit closer--including when he meets the Shadow, then I'll spin off the Shadow movies.
The Shadow, The Rocketeer, The Spirit, and John Carter would make a heck of a movie festival!
I just want my Doc Savage movie based on the script Shane Black has had for a couple of decades, with Henry Cavill in the role.
George Clooney in the early 90's had all the screen presence of a styrofoam cup. Wasn't until 1996 Dusk Till Dawn did he get much better at acting. I'm a fan of The Rocketeer and you do bring a great what if of the main cast. Thanks Terry
Clooney gained his chops on TV before From Dusk Til Dawn. But I think the right role would've brought out the rizz earlier.
Really, George Clooney, it would have been like watching an episode of Beverly Hills 90210. I'm sorry, who ever said that man could act. You're right, Styrofoam cup.
@sshrul rare exceptions of greatness, Oh Brother Where Art Thou? Clooney, as the Soggy Bottom Boys cracks me up.
@captlazer5509 That's cool that you like him in that movie, I'm scarred from his time on Rosanne, and Batma & Robin
Great reviews Terry.
My first time watching & enjoying these 2 films was yrs later after their release on free tv. Being a OST nut, my biggest take away were the scores by James Horner, and especially by the great Jerry Goldsmith for The Shadow both of which I own.
It seems headlining a film series (I hate the word "franchise," it makes me think of a fast food chain 😊) was not be for Alec Baldwin since he also did not continue as Jack Ryan either.
In both movies, the scores integrate with the film itself extremely well.
LOVE that you're talking about both of these films, Terry. I especially love The Shadow, It was gorgeous looking and a lot of fun, with one of Jerry Goldsmiths best scores. Along with Taylor Daynes incredible version of "Original Sin". The Rocketeer is just pure lighthearted family fun. A Great James Horner score and Timothy Dalton just chewing the scenery up with glee. I'm kind of sad that Billy Campbell never became a bigger star. He had the looks , the talent and the charm.
I'm not convinced that Billy Campbell had what it took to be a star, but we can agree to disagree.
I absolutely love both these films. I was lucky enough to see them in the theatre on their opening night. A longtime fan of both characters, I was so happy that they did justice to them.
The Shadow is such an intense antihero. I think that's why I prefer it.
The Rocketeer is great to relax with -- as for The Shadow, I think I like best the bonkers Taylor Dayne song over the ending credits. Thanks, Ter.
I like The Shadow. It had such potential.
Enjoyed them both in the theatre. Thanx.💙🌻💙
My pleasure. 😀
I'll forgive The Rocketeer a lot since it was a lot of fun and one of the first movies I went to see with my Dad in the cinema. I think it was that movie that left me with a life long appreciation of anything Jennifer Connolly appears in.
Very disappointed with the blu ray release though, absolutely bare bones.
I'll take a barebones BR release if it's a good transfer.
two of my favorites guilty pleasure
I add The Phantom
In the Comics of The Rocketeer , It was implied it was Doc Savage that made the Jet Pack
There was a joke in a latter Doc Savage comic that the Jet Pack does not work as well since they got it back from the kid in California
And the Shadow made an appearance in the second miniseries of the Rocketeer
The Cobalt Club is from the Shadow Pulp
So is the network of the Shadow helpers and the tubes to communicate
The Shadow, for me, has much better worldbuilding than The Rocketeer.
@@terrytalksmovies I agree with you on the world building
Of course I have a bias because my Grandfather was a fan of the radio show and had a bunch on Cassette as well as some of the originals pulps
He exposed me to them and when he died , the family said "Give them to Patrick . He like weird stuff like that "
Terry, I have enjoyed your channel for many years even donated a few times, but last few years, family hard hit by covid and other medical stuff. Saw the rocketeer on disney channel here is the US, when it was new, and actually like the 50's serial better. you have changed my opinion on many films for the better, Keep up the good work!
That's okay. You can also support the channel by watching, giving videos a thumbs up if they deserve it and commenting. All those things are more helpful than you know.
Take care, do what you need to do.
I love The Rocketeer and use it mainly as a pick-me-up occasionally. Alan Arkin is terrific in it and Jenifer Connelly is just so grooowwwwwrrrrrr. As usual, haven't seen The Shadow. But but but I last night finally watched In the Mood for Love and was blown away by it. A truly great film that will now very much be on my watch-frequently-list, so thanks for the prompt last week, it's really appreciated.
Glad you dug In The Mood For Love, Brett. Check out The Shadow.
"Say? Aren't you Leonard Nimoy...?" 😂
I'm jealous you got it as a set of the Rocketman movies! I had to buy them separately from various sources, including a few of lower-quality than the others....
The Imprint rocketman box set is definitive. It's one of my fave Imprint releases over the next few years.
I really like WW2 pulp matinee style Joe Johnston uses in The Rocketeer. My favorite moment is when he stands in front of the flag (which is an image directly lifted from the comic) and rockets up to the Zeppelin while Paul Sorvino says "go get him, kid" - unabashedly corny, I know and a similar moment was in his Captain America movie where Peggy says the same to Steve before he gets into the bomber to stop Red skull.
I do agree with you on The Shadow. I liked Howard chaykin's comic book where Lamont Cranston crashed in the Himalayas and got his powers in Shangri-la which was depicted as an Asian version of Wakanda. I wish we could've seen that on screen!
Howard Chaykin is a top 10 comic book artist and writer. Marvellous stuff.
Loved both these films as well as The Phantom with Billy Zane in the lead and Treat Williams as the villain. Something about that time when Hollywood went towards pulp comics (including The Spirit which sadly went south!)....
The Spirit is truly awful.
I don't understand why those two failed. They really deserve cult status. I agree that The Shadow is the better movie. 👍👍👍👍👍
Probably has to do with advertising budgets and timing of release. They're often the two deciding factors.
Russel Mulcahy has had a fascinating low-rent larrikin career among the Australians in Hollywood. The Shadow was his last shot at the big time - it flopped, and from then on he was largely relegated to straight-to-video territory. (Ah, but it was the golden age for straight-to-video!) Still, he never gave up, and he can claim a good part of the credit for inventing the smoky, glowing look of late 1980s pulp cinema, with films like Razorback and Highlander...
I have the 4K of Razorback (thanks Umbrella) and it looks surreal.
I was a fan of the Rocketeer comic and was a little let down with the movie until I started watching it with the kids. They love it and seeing it thru their eyes was nice. Honestly a movie about resisting that type of bad guy sounds pretty good right now.
I've never seen the Shadow BUT I saw a video last week where a guy was suggesting that it was great and would have been better in black and white. Dying to see it now and can't wait to get a copy.
Either way, B&W or colour, The Shadow is a lot of fun.
I've always thought The Rocketeer has always been a hoh-hum movie to me, and you put your finger on what's wrong with it - Disney. This was the beginning of the end for Disney as a home for good movies as opposed to franchise city. Now Shadow, and to a similar extent Phantom, I've seen both of those movies dozens of times. Not perfect movies, but close enough for me. And that Cord taxi, omg it's so beautiful! I love that movie just for having that car in it.
That taxi is an absolute winner.
I enjoyed both these movies though I agree with you, Terry, that one lacked a compelling hero and the other a compelling villain. I liked The Phantom even more since I thought Billy Zane and Treat Williams both clicked in bringing to life the comic book serial feel of the movie.
The Phantom is great fun. Filmed here in Australia, too.
Thanks for your continued shout-outs to Doc Savage, one of my major heros during my early teens. I'm sure you know about 'Doc Savage: His Apocalyptic Life' by P J Farmer. If you don't know it, it would be my pleasure to send you a copy.
Thanks but I still have my copy from the 1970s. I also have Tarzan Alive! Phillip Jose Farmer was fantastic.
So, you know about the Griffith Observatory ( you can see the "HOLLYWOOD" sign from there! It was my favorite place to go when I was a child. It had all kinds of science stuff, and I loved science (and science fiction). I ended up studying science in college, and working in the medical arm of applied science. The "Rocketeer" was pretty tame, but entertaining enough. I'm pretty sure I saw "The Shadow", but don't remember it very well, so I willl find and re-watch it. I like pulp inspired movies placed in the 30's and 40's.
By the way, The Doors were my favorite band since I first heard them on the AM radio in 1967 as a callow teen age punk!
The Shadow is worth it. Just set expectations for okay.
Due to living in the pacific standard time zone privately (meaning entirely in my head) relabeled these videos Sci-Fridays:) ❤
You guys are behind the times. 😉
Just last week I made a black & white version (calling it a fan edit seems like overstating it) of "The Shadow". Thank you for this since I think I might try the same with "The Rocketeer" now. Amp up the 1930s/serial vibe. Agree to disagree with you on Jennifer Connelly, though.
Fair enough. But having the love interest more like the comic version would've been fun.
Missed a trick with not casting Tsai Chin as the baddie in The Shadow. She deserved a shot at the lead baddie, still around apparently , in her 90s.
Thought of you yesterday afternoon after the cat decided her afternoon nap was going to be on my office chair. Came across the Italian 1960s ScFi "Star Pilot"... again touches on rather prescient subject matter and has a properly unexpected conclusion. Nice to find a "crap however fun" film I'd not been aware of. Must have missed it in my copy of Weldon's "The Psychotronic Video Guide". It's on here if you're interested.
Oh 4K limited release on Arrow of the "Man With No Name" trilogy. I think over the years "A Few Dollars More" has become my favourite. One thing about those films used to upset my slightly OCD nature. The scenes involving trains always looked as if filmed in the wrong aspect ratio. Then I realised, they have a whole network of 5 ft 5 inch tracks. That's why they look odd.
The Psychotronic Video Guide is terrific. I still have my copy of both volumes.
I love (even with their problems) all of those '90s movies based on the '30s pulp and comic heroes (and the one imitator)! Have you ever looked at the old Shadow pulp cover art? Those were great!
I have, and the graphic novels are cool, too.
@@terrytalksmovies Never read any of those, or the old pulps, but I love pulp art!
The way I heard it, the Shadow started on radio as merely the narrator of crime stories with his signature phrase about knowing the evil in the hearts of men. Then due to audience interest, they made him a full pulp character in magazines and then his own radio show. I liked both of these films, too bad 30s/40s nostalgia didn't extend beyond Indiana Jones. I always liked Jennifer Connelly but you my be right she isn't quite right. Loved the gangsters & FBI agents bonding over shooting at Nazis. Yeah, the villain and evil plot in The Shadow kind of falls flat. I have some of the radio shows, they are a lot of fun.
You're right. I misread the wiki. 😀
a soon as isaw the thumb nail i knew this was gona be a good one
i have to say i always find jennifer connelly sizzleing on screen, i normaly do a tripple bill of these 2 along with The Phantom for my great nieces and nephews when they are foolishly left in my care
Thanks!
For some reason I thought the Shadow came out a little later in the 90s, I`d discovered the Shadow Radio shows with Orson Wells not too long before the movie came out so at the time I was disappointed by the movie which felt very different to me. Maybe I`ll give it a rewatch sometime to see if 30 plus years later my opinion of it is different.
I hope you like it. It's somewhat underrated,
Loved both of these films. Own copies of both.
Good fun movies. Enjoy them!
I saw both of these in the theater. Both great fun. I’m amazed no one’s mentioned Alan Arkin in
‘Wait until dark”. Best villain ever! How’s this for a sort of “pulp” avengers- Doc Savage recruits the Rocketeer, the Shadow, Green Hornet, and Flash Gordon to battle Fu Manchu who is vying to corner the opium market and replace world leaders with look-alike. They also run into the elderly Sherlock Holmes and Lord Greystoke who are working against Fu from the European angle.
Harry Roat Jr from Scarsdale. A brilliant piece of work.
I feel like CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FIRST AVENGER is the movie Joe Johnston wanted THE ROCKETEER to be. He finally had a hero who wasn't acted off the screen by the villain, and a heroine who was easily the hero's equal. Slot Chris Evans and Haley Atwell into Billy Campbell's and Jennifer Connolly's roles, and that's a movie that WORKS...!
Joe Johnston was working up toward Captain America, and you can see it. Chris Evans has 100 x the rizz of Billy Campbell.
To be fair? Neville St. Clair threw himself out of that zeppelin-admittedly, he thought with a functioning rocket pack, not one with a hole in the fuel tank.
I love Timothy Dalton's St. Clair-he plays a rotter so perfectly, with just a touch of sadness at how corrupt he's become, that he outclasses his co-stars, easily.
A lot of Nazis were chucked out of the zeppelin before Neville took the jump.
@ - see what I mean? I didn't even remember that!
I listened to THE SHADOW on Armed Forces Network growing up, and I don't remember him ever having been a drug lord, which even at its "spiciest" didn't fit the pulp worldview of the time. That felt like a contemporary addition to be "modern" and "dark"-like that talentless hack ZackSnyder! making Superman and Batman into killers.
The Ying Ko subplot dates back to at least the 1940s.
@@terrytalksmovies - huh. Clearly that surprises me, because everything I know about The Shadow suggests he would never be like that.
The Rocketeer was a great comic, and I enjoyed the movie back then
TBH the comic is better than the movie.
I saw The Shadow when it came out in the cinema. I thought it was a lot of fun. It was a shame about the poor timing of its release. I understand why kids loved The Lion King, but I must be the only person on earth who wasn't crazy about The Mask.
The Lion King was stolen from Tezuka's Kimba The White Lion. I was never a fan.
Disney stuff always seems vanilla to me. I like the art deco aesthetic of The Shadow
The Shadow's production design is chef's kiss.
Oh, that knife...
You can buy them on eBay.
I really didn't like those movies at First But Years a little while ago I bought those On Blu-ray and watched Them and I really enjoyed them a lot More maybe They released those Too Soon Hey?🤔
There were weaknesses in each and it was mostly lack of PR budget and timing of release that sank them.
Too very underrated movies.
Indeed they are.
I liked the shadow till Baldwin because he and Gibson are like twins now the rocketer was to me was Disney Channel answer to spelbergh empire nice but no wow factor that's my two cents good reviews Terry have good weekend grant
Thanks, Grant. I see your point. Have a great weekend yourself.
I was a huge fan of the old Hollywood serials and radio series during the 1970s. Flash Gordon, The Shadow, The green Hornet and on and on. I went to the opening night of The Shadow, and it was "ok", I guess. 99% of the audience didn't know about The Shadow, so for them it was derivative of Indiana Jones. The movie lacked something that would have made it a hit. I don't know if it was a problem with casting, writing or directing or what, but there was something missing, or perhaps there was something added that didn't need to be there in the first place. Even with years to reflect, it still eludes me what was wrong with that movie. It is a shame that The Shadow is a property that can't be modernized. By the mid 60s video security and surveillance was becoming a thing, and that renders Cranston's main advantage useless. If The Shadow was made as a contemporaneous film it would have to be an absurd comedy... The power to cloud men's minds, except everybody carries a Shadow spotting device in their pocket.
My theory is the villain was too weak in The Shadow.
@@terrytalksmovies I reckon another problem was The Shadow's prosthetic nose, which didn't really do him any favours...
I dunno, I think you were a little unfair calling Dalton "okay" in The Rocketeer, his self-aware scenery chewing performance was perfect for the role
Fair enough. Unfortunately, he was too cartoonish for me. Paul Sorvino was better.
Correction: ITS NOT A JET PACK.
Jets are absolutely different from ROCKETS. Not the same thing. Ever. Completely dissimilar. Two entirely different machines.
It's a ROCKET PACK.
He's not The Jet-e-teer.
But it works like a jet... 😉
@terrytalksmovies explain your definition of "works like".
Because if you ever see a jet with flames coming out the back end, it's not "working like a jet".
I do have to disagree with some of your casting comments.
Please do. I'm a big boy. I can handle civilised disagreement. 😀
Vincent D. would have been awesome in the role!
😆No, No... he was doing big things in "Stuart Saves His Family" in 1995!
I agree!
In the Disney reboot, the Rocketeer will defeat everyone easily with superior skill and with pithy quips and then go home to her wife for a hug and a cry 😂
I'd be fine with a lesbian rocketeer. What's the problem?
@@terrytalksmovies I would also. Diversity is great. Disney (sadly) no longer is. Apologies if my point was clumsily stated.
Sexier than Jennifer Connelly?!? Excuse me?
I stand by my statement. We each have our thirst traps.
Terry thanks for setting me up for Saturday viewing. It is cold and snowy outside so these 2 will be a good Saturday rewatch. I always appreciated these movies and love Alan Arkins" performance in the Rocketeer. I can't think of a movie he is in that he has a bad performance. Once again great video.
Arkin always delivered. He was heartbreaking in The Heart Is A Lonely Hunter.
Same about Arkin. I particularly loved him in Freebie and the Bean, Catch-22, and The Russians are Coming. He not only always delivers, he makes it look effortless.