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Hey Empanda, good video.
I live in Hong Kong and been in and out of the protests quite a bit. I really liked this video because a lot of the points, especially about the Western support does not get talked enough about in such a nuanced manner. But to dispel a common misconception, this protest is not really a bunch of rich kids, it's mostly middle class people, especially from Kowloon. The makeup of the protesters are really not that much different than any OECD country.
The first thing you mention is that the protesters do not address material needs. That is very true, but it is not because the protesters are rich kids without a care for the poor, it is because both camps in HK (pro-Beijing and pan-Democrats) are big tent parties. The only thing unifying the pro-Beijing camp is that they want closer ties to China and the only thing unifying the pan-Democrats is that they want more democracy, but both camps have their own internal faction ranging from capitalists, nationalists, and socialists. If either camps deviated from the one unifying factor, they would get overwhelmed by the other side unbelievably fast. This happened when the pro-Beijing Liberal Party challenged its own party during the Article 23 controversy which led to the resignation of Tun Chee-hwa and the pan-democrat/localist sectarianism after 2014.
The second thing you mentioned are the weekend protesters that is a bit of a joke and needs to be full time like Ecuador. In 2014 during Occupy Central, the protesters took ahold of territory and occupied Central which is probably the most densely wealthy place in the world. This tactic was the full time protester, but it failed and the leaders have been arrested.
But yes, the double standard and hypocrisy is outright disgusting and infuriating. Whenever I see Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio talking like freedom fighters, I get really annoyed because these guys were very key in their opposition to Occupy Wall Street and BLM. It's similar to Reagan giving his utmost love and support to Solidarity in Poland while mercilessly crushing the labor unions at home. I appreciate the support because democracy in Hong Kong is a good thing even if it comes from horrible people the same way that anti-racist struggles in the West should be supported even if it came from horrid dictatorships, but to conclude my thought, I will quote Jean Paul Sartre when he rejected the Nobel Prize in Literature as a tool that "Upholds writers of the West and rebels of the East"
Thanks mate, but i dont know... just my opinión tho.
If those horrid people "give" rigths, the middle class becomes closer to them, i see a lot of that in latin america, with lgbt and conservatives joining together
@@TrenElZombie Politics, especially geo-politics creates very strange bedfellows and the common relation between domestic politics and geo-politics is the local man's struggle for freedom is another man's opportunity to de-stabilize his enemies.
In times like this, my only solution is for left-wing groups with power to try to make friends and connections to certain groups around the world before the disingenuous horrid bastards do.
Joshua Wong and Nathan Law from Demosisto are socialists who modeled their political party after the left-wing New Power Party in Taiwan and Podemos in Spain, but one of their closest and powerful allies is Marco Rubio. I talked to these guys and they are not naive about what Marco Rubio and the Republican Party stands for, but Rubio was the only guy willing to go out of his way to reach out to Demosisto, even though he would most certainly crush a movement similar to Demosisto in the US.
With this, I think it should be a lesson to us to do more outreach to left-wing dissidents in powerful anti-Western nations rather than abiding by strong non-interventionism and allowing imperialist assholes take control of the situation and use the passions and nobility of dissidents for their own cynical ends.
@@Mori650 As a second generation Taiwanese American, it's amusing to me when tankies form strong opinions about other countries without knowing anything about the political situation. According to their world view the business tycoons who supported Ma's cross straits trade agreement are comrades, and the working class people who opposed it are tools of American imperialism.
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what are your thoughts on this? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_1967_leftist_riots
@@stupiddumbass6603 If I was alive during that time, I probably would've joined the riots because conditions for the working class was really horrid and the British police were fucking savage and corrupt.
In hindsight however, the entire thing was a mess. The bombing campaign was very mismanaged and ended up turning much of the population against the leftists. Also, I am not sure if wanting to unify with China while it was at the height of the Cultural Revolution is a good thing because life in China at that time was absolutely miserable. And to add salt on the wound, Zhou Enlai and much of the CCP leadership was against the protests and actually wanted Hong Kong to remain a British colony because Hong Kong was the only way for the Chinese to get anywhere economically due to the lax business laws.
With this in mind, it all seems like a tragedy and such a waste of life. Most people in HK did not want to unify with the communists and China wanted Hong Kong to remain a British colony.
Here in the UK the media can't decide whether these are "pro-democracy" or "anti-government" protests. Language matters here.
They're definitely not "Pro-Democracy" protests. Especially since some of these "protestors" are calling for an empire to "liberate" them from their own government.
@@BadEmpanada true enough. Strange times.
@@Nahuatl22 substituting one oppression for another.
@@charlesmocata4845
Exactly.
@@Nahuatl22 That's extremely simplistic. Regardless of what you think of the US, China or Hong Kong, Hong Kong as it is now is closer to the US and the West than China when it comes to values and government. They are appealing to the US because the US shares a democracy which China seeks to crush. They also have no chance of saving their country from China without outside help. They can hold out for a week or 10 years, but the CCP will not relent.
“as an enlightened centrist” got me rolling
lol yup, i'd say this is one of badempenada's funniest videos to date. he's already so good, gets better every video, and is criminally undersubbed!
Thanks for the thoughts! I hadn't realized that there really are a lot of people who generally hate protests and riots (for example the Extinction Rebellion) in their own countries but are praising when people are on the streets in Hong Kong. Very annoying double standards.
Julia Gillard had a great take on ER when she gave a recent talk in London: The goals of ER are just, but their current disruptive tactics are not winning the hearts and minds of the people. She knows how Neo-Liberals think.
The whole Blizzard thing also showed how much this debate is filled with right-wing people just defending the western sense of "freedom" and how "companies are bad but..." discourse is really just false propaganda for that boycott
And most of them dropped the boycott when Blizz-Con happened and they announced Overwatch 2 and stuff. They weren't really dedicated to it or anything.
@@sirloinofice The people who dropped the boycott are cowards. I waited till blizzcon to see if they'd do anything significant. Suffice it to say, their "Fart in the wind" response didn't change my position. Sadly, I knew that would assuage a lot of people. Not because Blizzard's non-apology was any good, but because they had a bunch of new games. Like I said, cowards.
@Vlavitir glutginskiya moronic post
@Vlavitir glutginskiya stay on topic dipshit.
@Vlavitir glutginskiya why are you folks so concerned with people "catching up"? Almost like you support some type of supremacy.
Everybody should be looking at Ecuador instead of HK
@@BadEmpanada At least they've shown us how you fight the IMF
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Not really, only rt or telesur
I think this might be the most reasonable take on HK I've seen so far
Ditto.
OFswag666 it isn’t socialist. Jiang Zemin said as much if you read party documents.
@@burbclavefutur1527 Where, exactly? Been trying to find more info on this.
This was a really good video though I gotta admit that as a black ML the “all tankies are white!!!111” is a really annoying trope that erases the diversity of the communist movement.
It's a reference specifically to a certain UK party that ran pro-China events in Britain in recent weeks, not in general. Also I wouldn't call MLs tankies, there's MLs and then there's 'anything opposed to the US is good' which is the best operating definition of tankie imo
BadEmpanada is it the CPGB ML? Cus fuck them. I still differ with you on not supporting China (critically), but I do appreciate the perspective on being critical of the colonialist attitude being promoted by the centrists/rightwing in relation to the protests.
Omg, this video aged so well considering the protests in the United States (in regards to your point that those Republicans that shout ”free HK” will hate on the people that shout ”BLM” and protest the police authority)
It's the Hong Kong business leaders who caused the income divide leading to disfranchisement among the youths.
Real Tech Yeah but also China could’ve just waited until 2047 or whenever the party originally said they would re-integrate.
It is the blood sucking real-estate typhoon! There's 4 family that control HK and it's government. Everytime the government want to improve public housing, there will be some kind of protest! Why? Because it cut into the profit of those blood sucking typhoon.
Business leaders created by capitalism
Yep, and also rich Mainlanders who buy up all the property in HK.
@@shockwave2291 who sells it to the rich mainlanders? oh right the Tycoons cause they want money.
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@@brunocar02 I'm sorry you feel that way.
@@brunocar02 He isn't, The channel is legit
I’m definitely going to give your stuff a watch!
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These are very strange times indeed. The framing of this is fascinating and we'll see where this goes in the near future.
very informative take. fighting cops is probably one of the cooler things rich kids can do, to be fair, and having more examples of various tactics playing out in streets would seem like a useful thing to exist in general. I definitely agree that Ecuador is the bigger story, and it does seem wild to me that it didn't continue after getting the pretty massive concession they did, but I'm sure they have their reasons and will be right back out there if the government reneges on their deal.
This whole Hong Kong situation is going on at the exact same time that Rojava is being invaded by a fascist regime due to the US pulling back their troops. And while yes, there are protests and some news outlets are reporting on it, there is way less coverage than on the HK situation.
@BadEmpanada As a Venezuelan/Peruvian I would love to hear your take on Peru having it’s congress dissolved and the current protests happening in Ecuador
Thanks for the clarification. Most of the discourse around this online has been pretty trash. On the one hand, you've got some people uncritically supporting everything the PRC says or does, and generally insisting that police repression is good, actually. On the other, the protests, or at least the western media narratives around them, seem pretty suspect. And any time a leader in a western country, in the US especially, expresses concern for "human rights" elsewhere in the world (*especially* in a rival nation) it's time to be deeply suspicious of their motives.
That shoe burning is the visual equivalent of the sad trumpet
3:50
They take it serious.
I was in Taiwan for a couple of months. I met a friend of a friend at a 2 day music festival. She disappeared at the end of the first day and came back late the second day. Apparently she had gotten on a flight to Hong Kong to cast her vote in the election, then immediately flew back. That's a lot of money to spent just to cast an anonymous vote.
The Hong Kong-protest spokesperson apologized to a bank.
It's a leaderless protest
@@aaronmontgomery6977 That's why he/she/they said "spokesperson," and not leader.
The only problem with HK I have is colonial flags, like have a damn pride
Yeah, I see it all the time here unfortunately. Half of the motivation is this tendency among many people just to do certain things because they know it will piss China off and the other half is nostalgia for a time most of the people waving the flag were not around for.
Most of the older people who lived through the British did not like the British that much, but they tolerated them because the British administrators post-WWII and post-1967 did their best to try to remain on the down low in their administration of Hong Kong because colony by then was a really dirty word. Also, another reason for this was because Hong Kong was a place where a local Hong Konger starts out their life in miserable poverty but by the time they have retired, they are much richer than the average white British person back in England and probably even has white people working under them and taking orders from them.
HK is shaped by its colonial rules. Before the Qing dynasty ceded HK island and later Kowloon to UK perpetually and leased New Territories for 99 years in the 19th century, HK was actually a small fishing village.
I have a problem with Joshua Wong quoting with admiration, Churchill. If only he knew, Churchill would look at him with complete disdain.
It's HK's caste system that's behind this phenomenon
"Native" Chinese who speak good English > white people > "native" Chinese who speak little to no English > mainland Chinese that arrive before adulthood (one-way permit holders) > mainland Chinese that arrive as adults (students and workers) > other races (mostly South Asians and Southeast Asians)
A large portion of the protesters are of the 3rd and 4th castes, but the leaders are definitely 1st caste
10:21 As someone from new zealand who has to put up with lots of white conservative Aucklanders blaming the housing crisis on an "Asian invasion" holy fuck this is accurate
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While I do not entirely agree with you, I do truly appreciate your nuance. Keep up your good work comrade!
This video was prophetic about what those "china bad" people would say about the US police protests going on right now.
Heh, the Chilean protests started literally the next day this video was published and set an excellent example of how to do it right.
Where else can I wear my Harry Potter costume? :(
Long live the rebels of Ecuador!
Commenting for the algorithm. Your channel needs more eyeballs!
"Hey, you coming to the revolution on Saturday?" "Nah, gotta work ☹".
Wow, that was really nuanced and unexpected. I have heard nothing but great things about the hong kong protests, i like pointing out the flaws in its narrative☺
I grew up in HK and I am in my 40s. I can confirm the fact that many of us are pretty racist toward the mainland Chinese. It's like we have this weird superiority complex for being more "westernized".
this response is really late but i just found out your channel. Regarding the double standard of HK protesters against any other movement, in Chile we have a flagship case. Jaime Bellolio, member of a right wing party, had meetings with some of the so called leaders of the hk protests. He loudly advocated for their cause and asked the congress to call out the chinese governments "brutal repression".
Flash forward a couple of months, when he joined the chilean goverment as spokesman, which is accused by every international organizarion of committing crimes against its people (with the exception of the OAS).
At the same time the phenomenon of "cosplay revolution" can be observed in chilean protests, specially in the earlier months. This happens when the youth is so disenfranchised in terms of politics, a mayor movement can appeal as edgy
I got to say yours is one of the best takes I've seen on here and on twitter. Some parts I don't agree with like the rich kids part but whatever, overall not bad.
I think this video deserves a Guinness world record for "best aged video"
It took less than half a year ffs
@3:42 is a great short-form critique of both fandom and objectivism
a fair part of the problems ties back to economics, and the reason those who are entrenched, and stay there are political.
"the chinese government is terrible" I mean, I agree, but prepare for the wrath of the tankies.
lol the like 5 tankies that exist
@@Aleara27 point = were according wayyy to much value to tankie ideology and pretend its a wayy bigger problem than it actually is. Mainly coz of destiny who thinks every soc dem is a crypto tankie
I think that there is a lot more than only 5 tankies. There's a lot of marxist leninists in this world
@@Aleara27 havent seen taht puts its a trully dumb fuck perspective. Destiny pushes it alot thought
Destiny apologist, nice
You keep saying the Chinese government is bad without any reason, do you plan to make a video of criticisms of the CPC? I'd be interested to watch it since I'm generally pro-China but I also recognise they have pretty big problems
Universal suffrage conflict
Crack downs on unionization
996
Google Jason Unruhe
He's a liberal not a communist. Bet he thinks taiwan is a country too.
The age of revolutions has begun.
I just discovered your channel and this video has made me a new subscriber. This video has basically summarized my recent arguments with my friends about Hong Kong/ China: I support the Hong Kong protests like they do, but when I point out the double standards of Trump and other Neo-Conservatives supporting a mass protest movement, they start calling me a brainwashed CCP apologist.
On top of that, when I point out that American companies moving their mass production factories out of China to other third-world countries like Vietnam is not defeating worker oppression and Authoritarianism but just shifting the problem to another non-Western country, they just say "but Vietnam/ Malaysia/ Indonesia are not trying to take over the world like China". Like shit guys, how do you think China got there in the first place!?!?
Can I attempt to persuade your opinion on the PRC? I'm not a Tankie, so maybe I won't convince you to support it, but I can provide a different perspective.
I dont nsupport it , and gladly would read
I'm also interested. The whole "billionaires in a supposed communist party" I find especially odd.
good take, though you forgot to mention the cause for the extradition bill
Excellent video! Quickly becoming one of my favourite TH-camrs.
Boosting algorithm and really good points.
I thought they added a sixth* demand? Which was the abolition of police
BadEmpanada I got excited for a second until I saw this comment :(
@@joma5721 if it make you feel any better it can probably be assumed that they're probably are gaining influence since the violence is ramping up cause I dont know any larping where you get shot by the police or molotovs at them
Well, that's disheartening. But yeah, once I saw American flags I suspected foul play. A few channels, including yours sort of confirm that.
This tankie basically agrees with you about these protests, just not about china in general.
I kind of disagree with supporting the Hong Kong protests but I do agree with your analysis of the colonial mindset.
If you look at the United States bill that was passed called restore human rights and democracy to Hong Kong act. It is clearly written with imperialist intent. Every quote-unquote Western democracy is using the Hong Kong protest as justification for imperialist action.
However I'm not trying to suggest every single protester is a pro-imperialist CIA plant. I'm just super worried a protest that possible receive support from the CIA
Oslo forum training is pretty much a terrorist trading camp sponsor by US
@@BadEmpanada Please enlight me what freedom been taken away from HK? What part of the HK basic law or the uk/China declaration been violated? Also under the HK basic law article 45, the universal suffrage is an aim! Never a promise.
Yes, but the Cuban Revolution is objectively different then the Hong Kong Protests.
Kind of how the Ecuador Protests are different from the HK.
When Rojava received support from the US it wasn't terribly bad.
@@macmcskullface1004 A question many won't be able to answer! Can you? Many think that a small group of people in HK are fighting for freedom right? So can anyone answer my question?
Like the Act I mentioned that the US passed in regards to HK will allow them to put any Chinese National on a "economic kill list" which will allow the US too seize assets of anyone on this list, and they want this to be applied to Hong Kong as well.
The US is also trying too leverage the protesters to strike things from the Basic Law of Hong Kong. One being the article that disallows HK to support and and aid Spies against the PRC.
7:00 Finally someone said it! Thank you I thought I turned crazy!
I dunno, calling mainland China an "authoritarian hellscape" is probably a little reductive, to say the least. I wouldn't consider it, as a whole, dramatically more authoritarian than the US or India; it just manifests in different ways and different places. That said, I just namedropped two intolerably authoritarian countries lol.
Seriously though summing up a state with over a billion inhabitants in a single throwaway phrase is really not gonna score points for accuracy. China isn't all one thing, though it's right to criticize specific actions of the state where it goes wrong. For instance, there are definitely reeducation camps in Xinjiang, and the government denied their existence until recently. There's a very clear project of demographic replacement going on in the remote provinces with strong nationalist movements, and it's unquestionably the wrong way to go about building socialism.
It is interesting to compare media attitude to Kurd and Hong Kong political aspirations. The Kurds are in a bad place but no widespread outrage until Trump pulled troops out of their area and this was more about America's actions than the Kurds.
“As an enlightened centrist” 😂
Deng gang
You're my favorite empanada
9:30- This feels like a reference to a very specific internet joke, especially with the beard
Unrelated but feliz día compañeros ✌
The hong kong stuff has just tired me out this week its exhausting
Chabon sos lo mejor que encontre en un tiempo
You're one of the best!!
Hong Kong Protester learnt from the failure of 2014 during Occupy Central, that's why they take guerrilla tactics, only go out in weekend, also when it is more easy to gather the majorities of peaceful people as cover.
And they are not rich kids or even middle class. Many of them are grassroots, Many of them do part time jobs in weekdays to earn money to buy gears. They are facing a group of well equipped police with unlimited resource. After occupied the Legislative Council Complex in 1 July, all Government Offices is heavily fortified now. They are well understanding the risk and danger to fight cops. Many of the frontline prepared Testament. They are not only been jailed for fighting cops, also sexual assault torture and murder by CCP secretly. Also Exposed to Hundred of Tear gas in one days for 16 weekends that cause serious sickness. STILL THINK THEY JUST GOING OUT FOR FUN?
The first 4 demands was addressed in the very beginning of the protest which only focus on the extradition bill at that moment. But the fifth demand was addressed after the Gov ignore 2 million citizen peaceful protest for the first 4 demands and they concluded the fifth demands, no Universal Suffrage is the fundamental problem. No demand answered will be sustainable if no Universal Suffrage, with a government controlled by CCP and selective group. Immediate material need is only the symptoms, not the root cause. Only Universal Suffrage could return the power back to the people. That's what HongKonger protested but failed in 2014 Occupy Central or earlier. It's not people ignoring the material need, but they want to keep the demands simple & focus to the root cause. That's why five demands, NOT ONE LESS. If these just minor changes, Why China only answer the first demand so far.
All those social Media cosplaying etc. aims to keep the attention and noise to the public, it is another way to contribute to the campaign.
No they are not. Stop lying or making stuff up to make yourself feel better. Most of them are middle class liberal pro democracy activist. They got their ass kicked by working class in different places here in HK for disruptions.
Only the first demand had the backing of the majority of the population. People were not all that hot for the other 4. Stop projecting your own thoughts on others. Also, the fact that you had a bunch of morons holding American/British flags and Trump's portrait shows most people really didn't know what they heck they really fought for. Did they want to keep being colonized? Were they really that racist against the mainland Chinese and shameful of their own identity that they would rather be subjugated to the whites? No wonder they were the perfect pawns for the western interest.
Another thoughtful and nuanced video. Your stock is rising.
Love your stuff BE - classic underlying critical analysis but clear indications of basic soclidarity where appropriate - I truly think China is far more engaged and comprehending if it's role in the world then western colonialist and imperialist narratives give them credit for - but I will NEVER endorse authoritarianism from any state.
It is interesting that it seems to those that wouldn't even support such protest with similar aims in their own countries are now crying 'Freedom for Hong Kong' - strange that - oh,well.
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Ha id much rather live as a western tradeworker in mainland China where everything is cheap and be apart of the Chinese worker's union rather than being a western tradeworker in expensive Hong kong, living in a shitty closet apartment, probably without a union, if so a small bougie-infiltrated one. Id listen to the person i know that lives in China, and move there if i had to choose between the two.
good nuanced view even if we disagree about China
guess how hong kong is now.
I see lots of people talking about how the media isn't covering something because of its demonstration of working class power, but mostly I think what the media shows also reflects corporate interests rather than what does or doesn't challenge capitalism. I mean hong kong riots have got to affect the finance centres of the world more than sudan right? It's about whether riots happen near large gatherings of billionaires instead of what they achieve for the working class majority.
I think you may be right on the money. Pun intended.
2:22 same
Haiti riots deserves more respect. Hopefully China can reform itself while still having CPC at the helm.
How the fuck would that be good?
the cpc has always been one of the worst socialist parties on earth, first they wiped out 60 million people, and then they transformed into endgame capitalism
Ceres Station Nice post 50 cent party
AGREED. Just another spectacle for spectacles sake.
Everyone seems to have moved on from the French protests. On to the next controversy.
I can sense some connections with HK and what is happening in Chile rn. I need to elaborate more on that.
Your videos are always very insightful
Great video!
Great video, keep it up comrade.
thoughts on Mao and the pre-1976 CCP?
He probably thinks that he was some kind of redfascist or some shit like that.
@@rafaelmelo2576 Nah I think he be good on Mao
@@allgodsnomasters2822 yeah, hopefully he will say in a Q and A
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In regards to the relative low-intensity of the Hong Kong protests, I don't think its them being wimps. Rather, I think its because the protest leaders realize that if they start occupying government/police buildings, they risk a military crackdown they have no chance of successfully resisting.
Coming back to think about the the conservative motto of AFCAB
Actually a big-brained video.
No true Scotsman would protest like this!
10:52 "But unlike in all those other things [Colonialism] never came to pass"
*Laughs in opium war*
Hayoo. Do you have a take on the protests in Chile? would appreciate a sanity check. It looks bad. thank you.
6:31 Haha good one.
awesome video
I wish the Chinese population of Hong Kong got more involved with the protest and start to be more radical
Burning cops, and hitting isnt?
Wow anarkiddies have a new low since catalonya
@@TrenElZombie And tried to kill a cop last weekend wasn't radical? Fk! What is wrong with people.
This video deserves more attention. I'm from mainland china but I still fully agree with you.
I would like you to do a video of what happened in Ecuador and the reactions of the rest of South American countries.
I don't think the media in the UK pays so much attention to the protests in HK : they are more focused around Brexit e.c.t.-
I should say I have a personal stake in this, given that my wife is from HK worrying about her safety, although she is not directly involved in the protests. I would say that protesters do not have a well developed political consciousness and maybe described as liberals in a naive way.
However I find so called Tankie apologists for Mainland China, who just want to get down and lick the 'Emperor Xi's boots' (as the people in HK call him), far more annoying and mind crushingly idiotic.
North Korea may have its problems, I am not Pro-DPRK, but at least it could be said to an approximation of some kind socialism or state capitalism.
I could sort of understand how an authoritarian-leftist, anti-imperialist might be sympathetic to the DPRK.
The so called People Republic of China, however, is not even State Capitalist/ Socialist, it is has become an imperialist capitalist power, with a system which might described as Neo-Liberalism with a few state-capitalist characteristics and add to that under the current regime a lot of right wing nationalism and authoritarian social conservative.
The obvious parallel would be with Putin's Russia.
For a long time now the goal of the PRC has been to out west the west.-
I think one of things that has really stifled the development of a genuinely left wing movement in HK has been the unhelpful and attractive association of left politics with the regime in Mainland China. Hearing Tankie apologists for a right authoritarian regime, is worse than stupid and counter: productive: the world would be a better place without such people.
I am mixed on this video. Some stuff I agree but some stuff I dont. But good points.
It's incredible how effectively social media is being controlled here and sobering with regard to the challenges we face as socialists.
This perspective needs more eyeballs. Here's a comment for the algorithm (which is probably suppressing the video).
Bad empanada really predicted the BLM protests lol.
Yes
I am actually from Hong Kong add, I grew up in an a local educator system. And then when I was 17, I went to study abroad in the UK and it wasn’t really a cultural shock for me because honestly as a British colony, Hong Kong people were educated in the western system, but at the same time also influenced by the traditional Chinese values, we were honestly what they caught when the east meets the west.
But something conveniently ignored by the mainland Chinese people, and the CCP government was that while I was in the UK, I was bombarded by different sides of the argument and nobody forced me to follow their ways of thinking. Most of the time I was even confronted with the Clash of the eastern and western values, I was merely presented the scientific facts that I was taught in the UK and in the uni. I was left to my own device to understand the world and to find my own truth.
After graduation, I return to Hong Kong, and two years after my graduation, Isa went to Beijing a turned lived for a year. And during the time when I was in Beijing, I was honestly a little bit shocked. Because when I was in London, I came across with people all over the globe. I met Brazilians Europeans, Southeast, Asians, Asians mainland, Chinese people. But I was in an open and well educated environments, the actual mainland, Chinese people that I met while I was in Beijing were very different. They were pretty much money status and power driven, and they didn’t care about anyone, but themselves. And I came to the slightly shocking realisation that I had more of a cultural shock in my homeland, Beijing, the wife experienced in the UK.
One might argue what is it because of the indoctrinating westernised thinking that we were taught at school. Honestly, not really, I was very much in touch with the Chinese culture arete probably a few hundreds of Chinese books before I went to UK not only me, but most of the Hong Kong people identify strongly as Chinese. Hence all the donations were natural disasters, striped in mainland, and also when we protested as Hong Kong, people against the deal you toy, but then at the end of the day when we were truly confronted with a legal and judicial system, we want to something more open than what the Chinese government was willing to offer. And we are still people suff people suffered.
Would you do something on the Catalonian protests against falangist Spanish Forces?? I'm here and I would like some of leftube to weigh in it. It was nice enough of you to weigh on My home in Argentina
Do you mean the Spanish Civil War or the ongoing protests?
Can you make some thing on ecudor ?
Good take.
3:41 good one
If there was a wider appeal to the labour movement you'd probably see physical occupation on the cards and demanding that workers, not management and private investors, set their collectively bargained wages.
Hong Kong has always been a crony capitalist state, but many protestors are utterly disinterested in anything much more than defending the economic systems that better them to the exclusion of numerous others. Which is why it was predominantly headed by educated people (petite bourgeoisie in Hong Kong and China as a whole) and they have no real desire to extend the movement to things like basic social assurances.
Tankies are called tankies because they think about as much as a tank.
@O'Shay Muir I know that lol...
also I edited the comment to make it easier to understand
Dude do you have another video on this topic where you talk more about China's extradition policy and why you think the protests are basically bullshit? Maybe it was this video, but I remember your stance being much more pro China. It also doesn't help that I have a garbage memory and my life constantly feels like a fever dream. No disrespect meant, I'm genuinely confused.
Edit: okay nvm, I think somehow I mixed up you and Hakims videos. My life really is a fever dream wtf
I miss this intro
please talk about the lebanese revolution, it started yesterday