I watched an interview with a bigwig from Dodge about the Demon170. He specifically said that vehicles actually purchased by customers will be made 1st while vehicles ordered by dealers would be made last. The thought was that Dodge could control dealer markups by creating the risk that a dealer that would mark the price might run out of time for their allotted cars to be made. While the dealers are being jerks, people paying the extra price are not helping either.
Yeah I left that part out and didn’t mention Demon 170 markups here because I might do a video just on that…you’re exactly right. I know Dodge does not intentionally want to fleece customers and price gauge them, but this allocation system was pretty stupid imo and opened the door for the other models to be priced through the roof and sit there waiting for the highest bidder which is exactly what’s happening. I don’t have an alternative solution though 🤷🏻♂️
@@ducktails1695 there is literally nothing nice about a dealership. It is anti capitalism to force a company to use a middle man. Please try to defend this I dare you!?
Yeah them lying about the Demon being a one and done is what bothers me the most. They couldve easily named it something else that still showcased its immense power (maybe Lucifer, Archangel, Ghoul, Apocalypse, etc) but they instead went against their word and by extension their customers, by riding the wave of the Demons specialty and earned hype/popularity
@@rvboondocker2559 There isnt ANYTHING carried over from the Demon. Demon 170 is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT car. Try to wrap ur head around the snowflake that when u completely redesign a car and give it another name its not the same car that came out 5 years ago. Is ur brain under developed or something?
They backed themselves into a corner no matter what. They stated itd be a limited run, and the most powerful ever. So they made a more powerful car, but have to consider it a demon to have it remain a demon thats the most powerful: but then they break the promise of limitation; Or they make something new as to not break the limitation promise: but then out do the demon. They basically picked how theyd be sued later. Because either way, thats what theyll be getting. It might even be the reason Stellantis pulls the plug on the brand altogether.
Oh I’m pretty sure someone with deep pockets is going to pay that mark up. it just sucks for us who have to work hard for that kind of money but hey it is what it is I am happy with my used Toyota lol it gets me to places
@@TENNESSEETRACKHAWK Demon 170 is legit but not worth 100k over. That’s what the last people who bought the Demon thought? I’m mostly talking about the new hellcats. M
The dealership I go to I've never paid over sticker and in fact I pay under sticker. The Challenger I have now I paid $100 over invoice and this was an ordered car for me so it wasn't even a vehicle that was sitting on their lot for months and months. This is a small family owned Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/RAM dealership with maybe 25-30 new cars on the lot at any one time, sometimes less. These are the dealerships I like going to, not these huge multi-million dollar corporation dealerships with 100 dealerships around the US with different manufacturers. These are the ones that screw you over and they don't necessarily care about keeping you as a customer because they know there's another sucker who will just come in and buy a car from them. The small family owned dealerships depend on word of mouth, trust, and will do anything to keep you as a customer because it's extremely important to them in order to remain in business. And yes, they still make a healthy profit to survive without screwing over their customers. There is a way! I even make deals over the phone with a trade-in value without them even seeing the car because they know how good I take care of the vehicle and we trust each other. And I didn't have to spend 3hrs in the dealership going back and forth between 2 people and then go see a finance manager for another hour while they try to sell more shit to you that you don't want. These are the trust relationships dealers need to build with people. Not greed and with more greed on top. So yeah because of their size and sales numbers they don't get the chance to sell a last call model of hardly anything but these are the dealerships I wish existed everywhere. Most dealerships these days are too big and too corporatized. They have too much power over both the manufacturer and the customer. It's a damn shame what the dealership model has become these days.
Thats the dumbest lawsuit ive ever heard of in my entire life bro...... There isnt ONE single owner that signed ANYTHING stating Dodge will NEVER release another HC Durango. This is stupid bro.
@@TENNESSEETRACKHAWK while the owners may not have a solid legal case, their point is well made that Dodge acted unethical by making false promises of exclusivity in order to artificially drive up demand and prices thereby giving Dodge a falsely perceived brand exclusivity at the expense of their customers. It's wrong and Dodge shouldn't be rewarded with a free pass.
@@EJ-V8Bikes Theyre car manufactors bro not ART dealers.... Yea, they make cars for ppl to buy. Sometimes they have limted runs and sometimes they dont. They are in business to sell cars to customers try to wrap ur head around that simple fact smh Its called capitalism...... look it up. That is WHAT a judge will say. Common fuking sense aquire some please smh wow its amazing how ignorant ppl are when it comes to this debate.
10:20 Not just that, but by claiming it was a limited edition and then walking back the claim they have damaged the value of the previous vehicles in a way that can be measured.
For the last 2 years I had planned on getting a Hellcat, but the price increases have just made them too expensive, with essentially nothing changing. That coupled with uncertain gas prices and increasing theft of Mopar V8's, i've decided i'll just wait and see what else comes on the horizon. Dodge has really lost my respect for discontinuing their V8's while Ford has shown it can clearly soldier on for at least another generation.
I paid $5,000 below MSRP for a hellcat redeye Challenger. I physically went to at least five dealers with money and walked away from each one. I was home one day when I was calling around to other dealers and I asked them do they mark up? And if they do I won't bother coming down. One dealer replied no we don't. I replied I'll be right down. Last weekend I met a Porsche dealer that was bragging about charging his customers for over 200,000 over list. I looked him right in the face and said "you can fleece a sheep a thousand times but you can only skin him once.".. I mean what do these dealers think? the customers actually going to come back for a second helping? Yeah none of this will come back to haunt us... And our customers will remain loyal. They will have no buyer's remorse and they'll just keep overpaying for cars forever!
Thanks for sharing! Still probably took lots of time and effort going to all the dealers and calling them up, shouldn’t have to be like that and those dealers that don’t mark up will have repeat customers for life like you said!
I agree that Dodge was trying to pull a fast one on Demon and Hellcat owners. By bringing the models back that they said would be short one year runs is a breach of contract and they should be held accountable for it
Really, what contract is that? NO one signed anything stating this was a 1 year run. Just cause u read it on the internet doesnt make it fact bro smfh.
I bought a charger sxt just so I can at least have a feel of a muscle car. No one steals a v6 and as you know Mars, here in Canada the prices are even higher
As a man can't afford to pay a penny over MSRP I can understand the frustration and the anger of someone who bought a vehicle thinking if they took care of it they could profit or at least break even. I just keep thinking of dumping 60,000 in any of my project cars....I dont need Dodge or a Demon to get my blood going. Let's get back to that feeling.
It is messed up that the Demon and Hellcat Durango were marketed as limited run, one yr exclusive vehicles. But all it would take if for Dodge to be let off the hook is to have fine print somewhere that states 'production can change at any point in the future without notice' (many promotions have this type of language in the details). In terms of the HP locator, there's not much that can be done bc of the sales model most manufacturers are locked into. Dealers are permitted to charge whatever they want for vehicles. I will say this too...the Demon 170 is a six figure car(MSRP after destination charge). Although a bargain for the amount of power, you get, your average Joe isn't buying that car. The other last call models are glorified appearance packages that are optioned out. Imo, you'd be foolish to pay a significant markup for those. Again, if you're a collector with deep pockets, go right ahead. The car market has cooled off in recent months, but it's still not a buyer's market and these Dodge vehicles are "luxury buys". Buyer beware!
I’m glad Dodge has continued/brought back some of these models even though they’ve gone back on their word to the buyers of the earlier editions. I’d be pissed off as all Hell if I had bought one of the earlier models but I wasn’t so I’m glad that the opportunity is there again. I still won’t be buying one as it is simply outside my comfort range. But that 1,000hp Durango….
“Oh that’s just a regular demon, not the 170” kinda the same thing that happened to the hellcats thanks to the red eye lol . Down here in ga the red eye owners be going big on the regular hellcat guys .
@@devonp5079 You mean dealerships...Dodge doesn't sell the car to the customer the dealership does. You can't buy a car directly from Dodge. Why don't people understand this? 🤦♂
Let’s be real here if all these TH-camrs and ppl who got bread weren’t going out and buying hellcats, scatpacks, Durango’s, trackhawks like they were hotwheel toys at a toys r us maybe it would’ve still been a decently affordable entry car for car enthusiasts. Look at the demon 170 yeah it’s amazing it has 1025hp but looks wise and for the price they’re asking for is crazy. They screwed over the original demon and Durango owners, I’d be pissed if I grabbed one then.
While the owners have a great car, the fact many of them bought the car under Dodge's false promises of exclusivity is outright unethical. It's clear that Dodge lied to its customers in order to falsely inflate demand and price thereby giving Dodge all this extra publicity and falsely perceived brand exclusivity. And Dodge is also enabling their dealers to illegally price fix. What a terrible way for Dodge to give the big middle finger salute goodbye to its customers and to American freedom and independence which the Hemi has always stood for, by breaking their own exclusivity promises to their customers and enabling their dealers to gouge customers. @Dodge you've lost your way and sold out. 👎
Hadnt noticed dodge even recycled the demon wheeld esign on the super stock. Dodge has been putting out the demon exclusive parts in bits and pieces since 2019 shysters
Manufacturers are only in business to sell new cars. They don’t care about collectibility. Remember, people can say whatever they want about the future, “I’ll pay you, I’ll always love you” etc.
It's terrible that normal people can't even by a last call without 50k markup. Dealerships are going to get stuck with a lot of calls they can't move because banks won't fund the loans.
There's no excuse that they couldn't have made more cars for the last few years. There doing it on purpose. Should be no shortages on these cars at all.
Well to Dodge's defense here, they're just trying to make sure they have what they need in order to build the vehicles for this last year. There's only so many vehicles they can build within a certain amount of time this year. This was their way of making sure everyone who wants the vehicle to have a "chance" at getting one. Otherwise, they may run into an issue of over orders and they can't make them before the end of the year which would also piss customers off. This also makes it so they know they can make every single vehicle as they know exactly how many parts they need to order so they don't have too many parts, or not enough parts to build a specific vehicle. All that shit has to be figured out in advance, not on the fly as orders come in. Like I said Dodge can only build so many cars in a year and the Brampton Ontario manufacturing plant builds more than just Chargers and Challengers. They also build the Chrysler 300 as well which further eliminates manufacturing capacity. Any way they would have done it dealerships would have marked up the sticker because anyway you look at it, they're still all last call models whether they build 1000 of one or 10,000. On the flip side yes, it does build hype and they've certainly done that within the community. There are pluses and negatives to everything you do. Dealerships will always find a way to screw over customers for their own profit.
But then you're just encouraging dealerships to continue unnecessarily marking up vehicles because they know Dodge will just reimburse the customer. They should instead somehow fine a dealership for the amount marked up so the dealer doesn't get to keep that money. Or, maybe if Dodge see's they marked a vehicle up $20,000 their next order for that dealer will cost them $20,000 more or something like that. They have to think of a way to keep dealers from marking up vehicles and the biggest way I can think of is to eliminate their extra profit off a sale. I'm all for a dealership making a profit. It keeps them in business as dealerships are not cheap to run correctly. That being said, screwing customers over by charging $25,000-50,000 over MSRP is just ridiculous.
I do not shed a tear for guys actually paying $50K US over sticker, those folks are obviously moneybag's and do not give a F. Would be funny to see all those greedy dealers sitting on the cars for multiple years. The heck does the last guy in the lawsuit want?? Overpaying on a Durango Hellcat and buying another THREE cars the same year??? Obviously a huge moneybag and/or he buys them to sell them as low milers at Barrett overprized Jackson in 4 years - MUPPET
Besides the fact that Dodge is clearly nuts to be selling these cars for Supercar money, if people are willing to shell out the cash (or obligate themselves to paying monthly mortgage payments for a car), more power to ‘em! Still, there is no way in Hellcat land that I would pay used Ferrari money to buy the third-best of three “American” pony-cars that are currently available. I also believe that Dodge does not have a legal leg to stand on in the lawsuit issue. They clearly misrepresented their intentions as well as the collectabilities and market values of both of these vehicles in question. I hope the participants in the class-action suits get every penny they ask for, if not more.
When they made the initial Demon, the writing was "EPA regs are a thing, but we'll work that out over time." No one was expecting a sudden shift to "EV NAOW!" That's all there is to say as far as I'm concerned. Whether they kept the Demon name or called it something else, no one who is a real genuine fan was gonna expect them to just leave it at that. And the Hellcat Durango.... dude needs to sue to change his name as opposed to "feeling shafted" considering 😂 Like seriously. Reads like just another lease/collector princes who only wanted the thing to flip it as opposed to having red blood, wanting it for the proper fun factor. Folk like him are the problem with the market. And even still, it's not like that many are gonna exist at the end of the day.
"Somewhat screwed over" They did!!! So not right loyalty means nothing-profits over everything Can you tell me what's updated on the Dodge Durango Hellcat🤔 The seats on the 23s doesn't have the Hellcat logo #dodgelied
Dodge has been doing this for years. Part of the reason I sold my SRT charger was because it looked like every other V6 on the road. They constantly water down there top-of-the-line performance brands to other lesser brands and one offs to make them sell better. Anybody that didn’t see this coming with the demon are fooling themselves. It’s guaranteed profits for them. It’s also prime reason my TRX will be the last mopar product I ever buy.
This whole situation is joke. I wanted a scat pack but my local dealer wanted a huge mark up. I told them to go ... themselves. Eff Dodge. Eff the dealers. They lost a loyal customer.
I think Dodge should countersue and take all their vehicles. If you choose to buy an automobile as an investment, you have to pay the price if things don’t go your way. Unless they were given a contract from Dodge stating they would only produce the vehicle for one model year, they’ve got NO CASE.
I think people need to stop paying over sticker for the car's so everyone can get a shot at one ... i have bought 4 hellcats and a redeye and a viper and never overpaid for them
As a Charger scatpack and now challenger scatpack owner; I love my challenger and wished it could have been refined with one last redesign (lighter, more ridged and modern interior) but I hate the company Dodge has turned into. I see nothing wrong with mark ups and limited editions. Bottom line. A car company is only in business to make money; the cars are secondary. Consumers have no right to complain but we can be disappointed
I think 🤔 reusing the demon name was a wrong choice I think the Angel would have been a right choice you you know keep all the additives and then that way it will be like Angel trampoline a demon because Dodge obviously may it more powerful than the original
As far as the thing about buying a car, and then dodge saying they aren’t building anymore ,then they built more, I say good for dodge ,it helps customers who can’t afford to buy a car that should be 75k yet the dealer marks it up by 15,or 50k and the fools whine that they help keep the dealers marking up cars in a price range only the rich can afford stead of the middle class too..
Yes Dealers are screwing over their customers with ridiculous prices . Dealers will suck up these lat cars and hold them thinking they will be worth millions . Chrysler is screwing customers with their charge to the stupid Electric cars . I won't touch one . Chrysler lost a customer here .
@DANTE BELGIAN MALINOIS tell me what actually makes the new different from the old one other then the methanol injection and the fact it makes 1000hp now? The rest of the car is identical 👍
@@Reno420alex No, actually its called the Demon 170. Maybe ur brain is under developed or something IDN..... Viper has many models of Viper retard. They have doifferent versions but they are all still Vipers.... wow it really amazes me how inncredibly stupid some ppl are wow.
Idk about the Durango lawsuit,,, like customers are suing because their car wasn’t exclusive to them only? I get dodge said that it was a onetime thing but since it came back who cares? They brought the demon back again and you don’t see demon owners suing them 🫤 some folks just too butthurt
Some folks are just plain stupid. There is ZERO leg to stand on here. No one signed anything stating they were one year runs its the dumbest lawsuit ive ever heard of literally!
Let off the hook, no. But quite frankly a vehicle is very seldom an investment. Even if they had not built new Demons and Durango Hellcats those original vehicles may or may not have held their value. There is no guarantee as it is all speculative. You buy and you takes your chances. As far as new Hemi Dodges, I was understanding come the new year, the plant they are made at will be completely reconfigured for new product. Kind of hard to do a classic then. Plus the real culprit is the increasingly strident EPA requirements. Actually I would have loved to see all automakers get together and sue the government for unrealistic standards. Also show how BEVs do NOT reduce environmental (at least not by much) impact on a net net basis taking into consideration Lithium mining and battery disposal. Unfortunately I think Dodge is all but dead. Yes the jury is still out on the Hornet, but come on. Dodge spent all this money on being a performance car maker. The Hornet just does not even look the part. The final nail will be the BEV which I still say is a niche vehicle. They should have taken that technology they put into the Hurricane straight six and put it into a brand new Hemi (real Hemi, not the partial we have now) V8. But this is just one mans opinion here.
So you blame the dealership????? Blame the Federal government for eliminating these cars from the market. The Federal government is taking the choices away from the market. When the market loses products, the price goes up. It’s like anything else. Blame the current administration for policy that caused a shortage. The dealer is just trying to make up for future losses of revenue as these dealers will have to commit to 10’a of millions of dollars to convert to EV status because of this administration. THINK ABOUT IT!!!!
I went to a dodge stealership for a 2022 dodge charger rt plus for 42k and when I get there they wanted 50k lmao almost 10k is fucking dealer add ons like nitrogen tires wheel locks and all kinds of stupid shit, I walked out laughing 😂
The same people complaining about the high mark ups are the same that would go to sell it for more to someone else after they bought it for msrp. Sorry these cars are few and far between. You gotta pay to play
This is exactly the reason why any of Dodge's special editions or colors do not matter at all. They keep breaking their own promises. Who cares if one has a last call badge or not.
No they are pleasing the ballers and shot callers, they could care less about loyal fans. It’s a business, loyalty is not rewarded like it used to be unfortunately, but that’s the way the Cookie crumbles, LOL
@@devonp5079 Riiiight..... Thats why there is a waiting list for Hellcats and Demons cause all the customers have left for another brand again bro ur making me lol literally here
Chrysler is just a business, and their business is selling cars. I can't fault them for trying to do that. What they say in promotional statements should be accurate but if it's not it just makes them untrustworthy not criminals. Becides if you bought an original Demon you still have a great car and only time will tell what that is worth.
Personally people should be happy there making more.that gives others a chance to be able to own a peace of america muscle history & .u know people do crashes and total them out..like say u own one of those demons and some other stupid driver crashes into ur limited edition MOPAR or say it gets stolen and gets parted out and u only get back the shell or in peace's and it not gonna be easy to find another one to replace it if it can not be fixed.. so there for they will still be rare car to own.and there will still be alot of people that want one that won't be able to get one...either cause they can't afford it or there all sold out..and by the way there is a big problem with scum bags stealing those chargers and challengers....so people should be happy dodge decided to make more of a legendary america muscle car..think the law suit should be thrown out of court. Dodge never sign a contact to those people that they would not make any more.. those people are just looking for a hand out... this is such a money grab and people are acting like ungrateful spoiled brats people just want something 4 nothing now a days it pretty pathetic and sad how people are now a days.... like be grateful u get to own one.
It's called supply and demand, you all know these vehicles will increase in value. Even car brokers are offering at least 25k over sticker. These cars will very likely double if not triple in value.
Its even worse for the customer to believe THEIR car is the only one a car manufactor can make smh. They can make 10 billion of them bro and no court is gonna even entertain this lawsuit its DUMB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sounds like a bunch of cry babies to me. "Wahhhh my car isn't special anymore" with dodge saying they won't make another demon or hellcat Durango isn't lying if they didn't have any intentions to make them at that time. Guess what things change. I'm sure everyone has said something a few years ago that is no longer the case.
Yeah it kinda sucks Dodge went back on their word but keep in mind they have lots of share holders to keep happy and companies don't always make the money they want by following the rules. And at the end of the day there's nothing we can do about it. The lawsuit is probably gonna get thrown out by a low level court. So it's just......whatever.
Lmao. What a joke of a company. If they have no word you trust there brand ? Well for 5 yrs I congratulate dodge as loosing me as a customer. Would have been so simple for original demon owners got some respect
I don’t care about people complaining about not having a special car if they can afford a 100K plus car lol besides they’re going to kill these so might as well pump them out before they kill it for good
I was quoted a $20K markup for a Durango SRT Hellcat to order one from my local Dodge dealer. I told them to pack sand.
If I was the sales person, I would have said sorry but this car is not for everyone.
Thats a great deal bro should have taken it smh
Keep searching , I was able to get mine for msrp
The one thing I’ve always wanted from FCA was a Hellcat Fiat Spider.
A hellcat 300
That tiny thing is too cute. You sure you cant find a shop for a swap and make it yourself?
I watched an interview with a bigwig from Dodge about the Demon170. He specifically said that vehicles actually purchased by customers will be made 1st while vehicles ordered by dealers would be made last. The thought was that Dodge could control dealer markups by creating the risk that a dealer that would mark the price might run out of time for their allotted cars to be made. While the dealers are being jerks, people paying the extra price are not helping either.
Yeah I left that part out and didn’t mention Demon 170 markups here because I might do a video just on that…you’re exactly right. I know Dodge does not intentionally want to fleece customers and price gauge them, but this allocation system was pretty stupid imo and opened the door for the other models to be priced through the roof and sit there waiting for the highest bidder which is exactly what’s happening. I don’t have an alternative solution though 🤷🏻♂️
The whole franchise dealership model needs to go.
@@you_can_fuck_your_own_ass_69 Definitely not like CarMax. More like Tesla.
A dealership is nice but automotive manufacturers just need a little more control over certain things.
I agree!!!!
@@ducktails1695 there is literally nothing nice about a dealership. It is anti capitalism to force a company to use a middle man. Please try to defend this I dare you!?
@@cologist Dealerships aren't bad if you find the right dealership. See my other post about the one I go to.
Great video! Thanks for the shoutout! 👍👍
Yeah them lying about the Demon being a one and done is what bothers me the most. They couldve easily named it something else that still showcased its immense power (maybe Lucifer, Archangel, Ghoul, Apocalypse, etc) but they instead went against their word and by extension their customers, by riding the wave of the Demons specialty and earned hype/popularity
Its not a Demon, its a Demon 170 and there really isnt ANYTHING that resembles the original Demon with it its a completely different car smh
@@TENNESSEETRACKHAWK Oh, Great Point. The Demon isn’t at all a Demon. 😂
@@rvboondocker2559 There isnt ANYTHING carried over from the Demon. Demon 170 is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT car.
Try to wrap ur head around the snowflake that when u completely redesign a car and give it another name its not the same car that came out 5 years ago. Is ur brain under developed or something?
As soon as they unveiled it, I was like OHHH is this the Ghoul?? Then he said Demon 170 and I was like bruh wtf...
They backed themselves into a corner no matter what. They stated itd be a limited run, and the most powerful ever.
So they made a more powerful car, but have to consider it a demon to have it remain a demon thats the most powerful: but then they break the promise of limitation;
Or they make something new as to not break the limitation promise: but then out do the demon.
They basically picked how theyd be sued later. Because either way, thats what theyll be getting. It might even be the reason Stellantis pulls the plug on the brand altogether.
Let those Hellcats sit on the dealer lots and see how long they can keep those bogus markups going…💯🔥🚀
Considering ppl are already pating $200k for Demon 170's what would make u think its bogus?
Oh I’m pretty sure someone with deep pockets is going to pay that mark up. it just sucks for us who have to work hard for that kind of money but hey it is what it is I am happy with my used Toyota lol it gets me to places
@@TENNESSEETRACKHAWK Demon 170 is legit but not worth 100k over. That’s what the last people who bought the Demon thought? I’m mostly talking about the new hellcats. M
@@jaygotitdahardway9941 2018 Demons were selling for $175-200k..... U sound dumb bro no offense. in 5 years these will sell for $300k +
They are 100% most people I know have given up on getting a hellcat and on top of that they are not safe anymore because of theft
Taser has a pin code now its 100% safe from being stolen unless its towed which is rare
The dealership I go to I've never paid over sticker and in fact I pay under sticker. The Challenger I have now I paid $100 over invoice and this was an ordered car for me so it wasn't even a vehicle that was sitting on their lot for months and months. This is a small family owned Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/RAM dealership with maybe 25-30 new cars on the lot at any one time, sometimes less. These are the dealerships I like going to, not these huge multi-million dollar corporation dealerships with 100 dealerships around the US with different manufacturers. These are the ones that screw you over and they don't necessarily care about keeping you as a customer because they know there's another sucker who will just come in and buy a car from them.
The small family owned dealerships depend on word of mouth, trust, and will do anything to keep you as a customer because it's extremely important to them in order to remain in business. And yes, they still make a healthy profit to survive without screwing over their customers. There is a way! I even make deals over the phone with a trade-in value without them even seeing the car because they know how good I take care of the vehicle and we trust each other. And I didn't have to spend 3hrs in the dealership going back and forth between 2 people and then go see a finance manager for another hour while they try to sell more shit to you that you don't want. These are the trust relationships dealers need to build with people. Not greed and with more greed on top.
So yeah because of their size and sales numbers they don't get the chance to sell a last call model of hardly anything but these are the dealerships I wish existed everywhere. Most dealerships these days are too big and too corporatized. They have too much power over both the manufacturer and the customer. It's a damn shame what the dealership model has become these days.
Im all in for that class action lawsuit and i wont be surprise if another one pop up for the demon
Thats the dumbest lawsuit ive ever heard of in my entire life bro...... There isnt ONE single owner that signed ANYTHING stating Dodge will NEVER release another HC Durango. This is stupid bro.
@@TENNESSEETRACKHAWK true that
@@TENNESSEETRACKHAWK while the owners may not have a solid legal case, their point is well made that Dodge acted unethical by making false promises of exclusivity in order to artificially drive up demand and prices thereby giving Dodge a falsely perceived brand exclusivity at the expense of their customers. It's wrong and Dodge shouldn't be rewarded with a free pass.
@@EJ-V8Bikes Theyre car manufactors bro not ART dealers.... Yea, they make cars for ppl to buy. Sometimes they have limted runs and sometimes they dont. They are in business to sell cars to customers try to wrap ur head around that simple fact smh
Its called capitalism...... look it up. That is WHAT a judge will say. Common fuking sense aquire some please smh wow its amazing how ignorant ppl are when it comes to this debate.
@@you_can_fuck_your_own_ass_69 exactly
@3:38 There's an old saying, there's a sucker born every minute👌🤣🤣
10:20 Not just that, but by claiming it was a limited edition and then walking back the claim they have damaged the value of the previous vehicles in a way that can be measured.
For the last 2 years I had planned on getting a Hellcat, but the price increases have just made them too expensive, with essentially nothing changing. That coupled with uncertain gas prices and increasing theft of Mopar V8's, i've decided i'll just wait and see what else comes on the horizon. Dodge has really lost my respect for discontinuing their V8's while Ford has shown it can clearly soldier on for at least another generation.
Get a used one to get it out of your system
You shouldn't lose respect for Dodge, Stellantis is the one to blame
I may be wrong, but the normally aspirated Durango SRT in the current gen body is probably rarer than the Hellcat version.
I paid $5,000 below MSRP for a hellcat redeye Challenger. I physically went to at least five dealers with money and walked away from each one. I was home one day when I was calling around to other dealers and I asked them do they mark up? And if they do I won't bother coming down. One dealer replied no we don't. I replied I'll be right down.
Last weekend I met a Porsche dealer that was bragging about charging his customers for over 200,000 over list. I looked him right in the face and said "you can fleece a sheep a thousand times but you can only skin him once.".. I mean what do these dealers think? the customers actually going to come back for a second helping? Yeah none of this will come back to haunt us... And our customers will remain loyal. They will have no buyer's remorse and they'll just keep overpaying for cars forever!
Stop telling fairy tales bro.......
@@TENNESSEETRACKHAWK not a lie.
I just went to Venice Florida- old fart capitol of sw florida.
Thanks for sharing! Still probably took lots of time and effort going to all the dealers and calling them up, shouldn’t have to be like that and those dealers that don’t mark up will have repeat customers for life like you said!
@@sandysquitieri7474 Riiiiiiight..... I got a bridge in Key West for sale.... U interested?
I agree that Dodge was trying to pull a fast one on Demon and Hellcat owners. By bringing the models back that they said would be short one year runs is a breach of contract and they should be held accountable for it
Really, what contract is that? NO one signed anything stating this was a 1 year run. Just cause u read it on the internet doesnt make it fact bro smfh.
@@TENNESSEETRACKHAWK yeah what contract lol
@@enriquereboyras4381 The one they signed with theyre attorney maybe to take their money lol but thats about it smh
Sounds like OCMotivator was speaking with someone from Huntington Beach Dodge on the phone. I've had a terrible experience with that dealer.
My local dealer has no markups on MSRPs, Said I can buy a new Hellcat if I want they still have allocations.
"Dodge: The Brotherhood of Markups. "
I did a video on this recently on my channel as well.
I will check it out!
I bought a charger sxt just so I can at least have a feel of a muscle car. No one steals a v6 and as you know Mars, here in Canada the prices are even higher
As a man can't afford to pay a penny over MSRP I can understand the frustration and the anger of someone who bought a vehicle thinking if they took care of it they could profit or at least break even. I just keep thinking of dumping 60,000 in any of my project cars....I dont need Dodge or a Demon to get my blood going. Let's get back to that feeling.
It is messed up that the Demon and Hellcat Durango were marketed as limited run, one yr exclusive vehicles. But all it would take if for Dodge to be let off the hook is to have fine print somewhere that states 'production can change at any point in the future without notice' (many promotions have this type of language in the details). In terms of the HP locator, there's not much that can be done bc of the sales model most manufacturers are locked into. Dealers are permitted to charge whatever they want for vehicles. I will say this too...the Demon 170 is a six figure car(MSRP after destination charge). Although a bargain for the amount of power, you get, your average Joe isn't buying that car. The other last call models are glorified appearance packages that are optioned out. Imo, you'd be foolish to pay a significant markup for those. Again, if you're a collector with deep pockets, go right ahead. The car market has cooled off in recent months, but it's still not a buyer's market and these Dodge vehicles are "luxury buys". Buyer beware!
The answer is yes.
I’m glad Dodge has continued/brought back some of these models even though they’ve gone back on their word to the buyers of the earlier editions. I’d be pissed off as all Hell if I had bought one of the earlier models but I wasn’t so I’m glad that the opportunity is there again. I still won’t be buying one as it is simply outside my comfort range. But that 1,000hp Durango….
“Oh that’s just a regular demon, not the 170” kinda the same thing that happened to the hellcats thanks to the red eye lol . Down here in ga the red eye owners be going big on the regular hellcat guys .
My dodge delivery called me said had 3 allocations to 170 demon because I bought 1320 scat pack. And wanted 20k down BUT 120K OVER STICKER!!
Dodge rips off their customers
@@devonp5079 You mean dealerships...Dodge doesn't sell the car to the customer the dealership does. You can't buy a car directly from Dodge. Why don't people understand this? 🤦♂
Did you order one?
Economics 101. Supply and demand. Limited supply leads to higher prices.
Dodge absolutely screwed its loyal customers over with these stealership markup on top of raising the prices on these final call models.
Can you imagine if they will continue building 6.2 vehicles past 2023. Man that would be a kick in the face for everyone. 🤣
All hellcat owners would be so pissed, and everyone else would be happy trying to get another shot at them 🤣
Let’s be real here if all these TH-camrs and ppl who got bread weren’t going out and buying hellcats, scatpacks, Durango’s, trackhawks like they were hotwheel toys at a toys r us maybe it would’ve still been a decently affordable entry car for car enthusiasts. Look at the demon 170 yeah it’s amazing it has 1025hp but looks wise and for the price they’re asking for is crazy. They screwed over the original demon and Durango owners, I’d be pissed if I grabbed one then.
Where do we go to sign up get tougher to sue
I loved my challenger to bad they are doing this, do you think they will ever have a new SRT Jeep again?
I think 100% we see a Jeep SRT return but will be either inline six or EV (unfortunately)
I don’t feel sorry for current owners. They have a great car already.
While the owners have a great car, the fact many of them bought the car under Dodge's false promises of exclusivity is outright unethical. It's clear that Dodge lied to its customers in order to falsely inflate demand and price thereby giving Dodge all this extra publicity and falsely perceived brand exclusivity. And Dodge is also enabling their dealers to illegally price fix. What a terrible way for Dodge to give the big middle finger salute goodbye to its customers and to American freedom and independence which the Hemi has always stood for, by breaking their own exclusivity promises to their customers and enabling their dealers to gouge customers. @Dodge you've lost your way and sold out. 👎
Hadnt noticed dodge even recycled the demon wheeld esign on the super stock. Dodge has been putting out the demon exclusive parts in bits and pieces since 2019 shysters
I'm going ask my dealership if employees get any type discount. I wish I could afford any of supercharger hemi
Manufacturers are only in business to sell new cars. They don’t care about collectibility. Remember, people can say whatever they want about the future, “I’ll pay you, I’ll always love you” etc.
It's terrible that normal people can't even by a last call without 50k markup. Dealerships are going to get stuck with a lot of calls they can't move because banks won't fund the loans.
There's no excuse that they couldn't have made more cars for the last few years. There doing it on purpose. Should be no shortages on these cars at all.
Well to Dodge's defense here, they're just trying to make sure they have what they need in order to build the vehicles for this last year. There's only so many vehicles they can build within a certain amount of time this year. This was their way of making sure everyone who wants the vehicle to have a "chance" at getting one. Otherwise, they may run into an issue of over orders and they can't make them before the end of the year which would also piss customers off. This also makes it so they know they can make every single vehicle as they know exactly how many parts they need to order so they don't have too many parts, or not enough parts to build a specific vehicle. All that shit has to be figured out in advance, not on the fly as orders come in. Like I said Dodge can only build so many cars in a year and the Brampton Ontario manufacturing plant builds more than just Chargers and Challengers. They also build the Chrysler 300 as well which further eliminates manufacturing capacity. Any way they would have done it dealerships would have marked up the sticker because anyway you look at it, they're still all last call models whether they build 1000 of one or 10,000.
On the flip side yes, it does build hype and they've certainly done that within the community. There are pluses and negatives to everything you do. Dealerships will always find a way to screw over customers for their own profit.
If these customers paid markups for the original Durango Hellcats, Dodge should reimburse them for the markup.
What dodge should do is come out with rebates of 100k so those markups are non existent 😂
But then you're just encouraging dealerships to continue unnecessarily marking up vehicles because they know Dodge will just reimburse the customer. They should instead somehow fine a dealership for the amount marked up so the dealer doesn't get to keep that money. Or, maybe if Dodge see's they marked a vehicle up $20,000 their next order for that dealer will cost them $20,000 more or something like that. They have to think of a way to keep dealers from marking up vehicles and the biggest way I can think of is to eliminate their extra profit off a sale. I'm all for a dealership making a profit. It keeps them in business as dealerships are not cheap to run correctly. That being said, screwing customers over by charging $25,000-50,000 over MSRP is just ridiculous.
I do not shed a tear for guys actually paying $50K US over sticker, those folks are obviously moneybag's and do not give a F. Would be funny to see all those greedy dealers sitting on the cars for multiple years.
The heck does the last guy in the lawsuit want?? Overpaying on a Durango Hellcat and buying another THREE cars the same year??? Obviously a huge moneybag and/or he buys them to sell them as low milers at Barrett overprized Jackson in 4 years - MUPPET
Besides the fact that Dodge is clearly nuts to be selling these cars for Supercar money, if people are willing to shell out the cash (or obligate themselves to paying monthly mortgage payments for a car), more power to ‘em!
Still, there is no way in Hellcat land that I would pay used Ferrari money to buy the third-best of three “American” pony-cars that are currently available.
I also believe that Dodge does not have a legal leg to stand on in the lawsuit issue. They clearly misrepresented their intentions as well as the collectabilities and market values of both of these vehicles in question.
I hope the participants in the class-action suits get every penny they ask for, if not more.
Dodge isnt selling ANYTHING bro these are DEALERS that are selling at high prices. Try to wrap ur little brain around that fact smfh
Has anyone's opinion of Dodge and their dealers really changed?
Dodge needs to get sued for False Advertising. Should be 500 million- that might get the shareholder’s attention and not do it again.
When they made the initial Demon, the writing was "EPA regs are a thing, but we'll work that out over time."
No one was expecting a sudden shift to "EV NAOW!"
That's all there is to say as far as I'm concerned. Whether they kept the Demon name or called it something else, no one who is a real genuine fan was gonna expect them to just leave it at that.
And the Hellcat Durango.... dude needs to sue to change his name as opposed to "feeling shafted" considering 😂
Like seriously. Reads like just another lease/collector princes who only wanted the thing to flip it as opposed to having red blood, wanting it for the proper fun factor. Folk like him are the problem with the market.
And even still, it's not like that many are gonna exist at the end of the day.
"Somewhat screwed over"
They did!!! So not right loyalty means nothing-profits over everything
Can you tell me what's updated on the Dodge Durango Hellcat🤔
The seats on the 23s doesn't have the Hellcat logo
#dodgelied
A dealership markup? It's called the stealership, like some people say.
Dodge making changes to their vehicles 💯 they be markups
Dodge has been doing this for years. Part of the reason I sold my SRT charger was because it looked like every other V6 on the road. They constantly water down there top-of-the-line performance brands to other lesser brands and one offs to make them sell better. Anybody that didn’t see this coming with the demon are fooling themselves. It’s guaranteed profits for them. It’s also prime reason my TRX will be the last mopar product I ever buy.
This whole situation is joke. I wanted a scat pack but my local dealer wanted a huge mark up. I told them to go ... themselves. Eff Dodge. Eff the dealers. They lost a loyal customer.
Scat pack is the biggest POS ive ever owned. Find another car bro.
I think Dodge should countersue and take all their vehicles. If you choose to buy an automobile as an investment, you have to pay the price if things don’t go your way. Unless they were given a contract from Dodge stating they would only produce the vehicle for one model year, they’ve got NO CASE.
I’d like to see a 1,000+hp Pick Up with 15,000 Towing Capacity. Did they do one in a PU?
🤣😂
Considering that the majority people would never be able to afford one but would love to have one. they sound like a bunch of crybabies to me
you are absolutely right
I think people need to stop paying over sticker for the car's so everyone can get a shot at one ... i have bought 4 hellcats and a redeye and a viper and never overpaid for them
Dodge biggest marketing scheme 🍿🥤
Its a genius marketing strategy. It keeps the srt and etc selling out the doors. DODGE will make millions and the customers will settle for thousands.
Just find a good dealership. Not all dealerships screw people over. There's a 2023 Durango hellcat at mine already and it's not marked up
As a Charger scatpack and now challenger scatpack owner; I love my challenger and wished it could have been refined with one last redesign (lighter, more ridged and modern interior) but I hate the company Dodge has turned into. I see nothing wrong with mark ups and limited editions.
Bottom line. A car company is only in business to make money; the cars are secondary. Consumers have no right to complain but we can be disappointed
why do you hate the company
@@stevel234 Nowhere in my comment did I say I hate Dodge; I’m disappointed they have chosen the path they have taken on product development.
I think 🤔 reusing the demon name was a wrong choice I think the Angel would have been a right choice you you know keep all the additives and then that way it will be like Angel trampoline a demon because Dodge obviously may it more powerful than the original
As far as the thing about buying a car, and then dodge saying they aren’t building anymore ,then they built more, I say good for dodge ,it helps customers who can’t afford to buy a car that should be 75k yet the dealer marks it up by 15,or 50k and the fools whine that they help keep the dealers marking up cars in a price range only the rich can afford stead of the middle class too..
Yes Dealers are screwing over their customers with ridiculous prices . Dealers will suck up these lat cars and hold them thinking they will be worth millions . Chrysler is screwing customers with their charge to the stupid Electric cars . I won't touch one . Chrysler lost a customer here .
I would like to buy a new dodge pickup, but dodge doesn't make trucks anymore. They only make Ram pickups.
is ur brain under developed?
They definitely screwed the first gen demon owners 😂
No not at all. Its NOTHING like the original. Ppl dont buy these to drive them they buy them to sit in a garage smh
@DANTE BELGIAN MALINOIS You do realize dodge said they would never make another vehicle called a demon yet they did... so yeah they DID
@DANTE BELGIAN MALINOIS tell me what actually makes the new different from the old one other then the methanol injection and the fact it makes 1000hp now? The rest of the car is identical 👍
@@Reno420alex No, actually its called the Demon 170. Maybe ur brain is under developed or something IDN.....
Viper has many models of Viper retard. They have doifferent versions but they are all still Vipers.... wow it really amazes me how inncredibly stupid some ppl are wow.
Timmy playing you guys next will be 1200 hp with 200 available you guys are more than welcome to pay it 😂
We had a Dodge Challenger RT and we had a Durango RT but the way things are going we decided no more Dodge we are done with Dodge!
LQQKs like #Dodge is wanting a #Lawsuit! 💯⚖
Idk about the Durango lawsuit,,, like customers are suing because their car wasn’t exclusive to them only? I get dodge said that it was a onetime thing but since it came back who cares? They brought the demon back again and you don’t see demon owners suing them 🫤 some folks just too butthurt
Some folks are just plain stupid. There is ZERO leg to stand on here. No one signed anything stating they were one year runs its the dumbest lawsuit ive ever heard of literally!
Let off the hook, no. But quite frankly a vehicle is very seldom an investment. Even if they had not built new Demons and Durango Hellcats those original vehicles may or may not have held their value. There is no guarantee as it is all speculative. You buy and you takes your chances. As far as new Hemi Dodges, I was understanding come the new year, the plant they are made at will be completely reconfigured for new product. Kind of hard to do a classic then. Plus the real culprit is the increasingly strident EPA requirements. Actually I would have loved to see all automakers get together and sue the government for unrealistic standards. Also show how BEVs do NOT reduce environmental (at least not by much) impact on a net net basis taking into consideration Lithium mining and battery disposal. Unfortunately I think Dodge is all but dead. Yes the jury is still out on the Hornet, but come on. Dodge spent all this money on being a performance car maker. The Hornet just does not even look the part. The final nail will be the BEV which I still say is a niche vehicle. They should have taken that technology they put into the Hurricane straight six and put it into a brand new Hemi (real Hemi, not the partial we have now) V8. But this is just one mans opinion here.
I'm waiting for a last call working man's muscle car about 15000.00 reasonable
Yes they have.
So you blame the dealership????? Blame the Federal government for eliminating these cars from the market. The Federal government is taking the choices away from the market. When the market loses products, the price goes up. It’s like anything else. Blame the current administration for policy that caused a shortage. The dealer is just trying to make up for future losses of revenue as these dealers will have to commit to 10’a of millions of dollars to convert to EV status because of this administration. THINK ABOUT IT!!!!
I went to a dodge stealership for a 2022 dodge charger rt plus for 42k and when I get there they wanted 50k lmao almost 10k is fucking dealer add ons like nitrogen tires wheel locks and all kinds of stupid shit, I walked out laughing 😂
The same people complaining about the high mark ups are the same that would go to sell it for more to someone else after they bought it for msrp. Sorry these cars are few and far between. You gotta pay to play
This is exactly the reason why any of Dodge's special editions or colors do not matter at all. They keep breaking their own promises. Who cares if one has a last call badge or not.
Yeah most people don't give a shit lol about Dodge's "Promises". They aren't buying them because dealers are extremely greedy.
Have they started making the 300c yet ?
Production starts next week!
They just need to enjoy the car and drive it.
The lawsuit is right.
Both Durango and original demon owners( see what I did there?) 🤣🤣 have a legitimate case !!
Rather get a used mclaren 570s than an overpriced marked up hellkitty
Then u got u the "Poor mans" Mclaren..... thats lame AF
@@TENNESSEETRACKHAWK poor man's McLaren with oem doors that open up will look more "rich" than any 250k adm Challenger
@@CRAPO2011 If ur ok with a poor mans car then have at it but ull look stupid when the Demon puts bus lengths on it.....
I think dodge should give me a hellcat. I won't complain and sue them 😂
Dodge need to be clear with what they say
Think this is bad, wait until the electric ones come out....
Dishonest carmakers, say it isn't so....🙄
No they are pleasing the ballers and shot callers, they could care less about loyal fans. It’s a business, loyalty is not rewarded like it used to be unfortunately, but that’s the way the Cookie crumbles, LOL
All in all dodge will eventually shut down with this mismanagement
Riiiiight with a $53 BILLION dollar worth...... keep telling urself that bro lmao
You can only rip off your customers for so long until they leave for another brand
@@devonp5079 Riiiight..... Thats why there is a waiting list for Hellcats and Demons cause all the customers have left for another brand again bro ur making me lol literally here
I HATE companies and people that will stand up and lie to your face!
So you hate all companies then? haha
Poor dodge fans. Thanks to tim fraudniskis.
It's ridiculous
imagine buying anyone these,10 years from now there will be more ev cars on the road than gas and gas cars wont be worth a dime
The Durango owners need to touch grass :/ they still have a hellcat powered Durango it’s not that deep
Chrysler is just a business, and their business is selling cars. I can't fault them for trying to do that. What they say in promotional statements should be accurate but if it's not it just makes them untrustworthy not criminals. Becides if you bought an original Demon you still have a great car and only time will tell what that is worth.
Let dodge choke on this over priced inventory
Dodge isnt choking on anything..... they sell cars to dealers. Dealers do what they want with them has nothing to do with Dodge.
Personally people should be happy there making more.that gives others a chance to be able to own a peace of america muscle history & .u know people do crashes and total them out..like say u own one of those demons and some other stupid driver crashes into ur limited edition MOPAR or say it gets stolen and gets parted out and u only get back the shell or in peace's and it not gonna be easy to find another one to replace it if it can not be fixed.. so there for they will still be rare car to own.and there will still be alot of people that want one that won't be able to get one...either cause they can't afford it or there all sold out..and by the way there is a big problem with scum bags stealing those chargers and challengers....so people should be happy dodge decided to make more of a legendary america muscle car..think the law suit should be thrown out of court. Dodge never sign a contact to those people that they would not make any more.. those people are just looking for a hand out... this is such a money grab and people are acting like ungrateful spoiled brats people just want something 4 nothing now a days it pretty pathetic and sad how people are now a days.... like be grateful u get to own one.
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the future looks bleak for dodge...
It's simple it's not Dodge it's the dealership who choose the markups, capitalism is amazing
Yeah cuz communism is much better !
Broke boi
Ppl are just TOO stupid to realize that....... Supply and demand. I guess most ppl here are not aware of that concept smfh
It's called supply and demand, you all know these vehicles will increase in value. Even car brokers are offering at least 25k over sticker. These cars will very likely double if not triple in value.
Its just plain bad Business to lie to customers.
Its even worse for the customer to believe THEIR car is the only one a car manufactor can make smh. They can make 10 billion of them bro and no court is gonna even entertain this lawsuit its DUMB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dodge is making fools out of all you suckers who pay dealer markup. Haha!
not if you have it
Sounds like a bunch of cry babies to me. "Wahhhh my car isn't special anymore" with dodge saying they won't make another demon or hellcat Durango isn't lying if they didn't have any intentions to make them at that time. Guess what things change. I'm sure everyone has said something a few years ago that is no longer the case.
Yeah it kinda sucks Dodge went back on their word but keep in mind they have lots of share holders to keep happy and companies don't always make the money they want by following the rules. And at the end of the day there's nothing we can do about it. The lawsuit is probably gonna get thrown out by a low level court. So it's just......whatever.
Lmao. What a joke of a company. If they have no word you trust there brand ? Well for 5 yrs I congratulate dodge as loosing me as a customer. Would have been so simple for original demon owners got some respect
I don’t care about people complaining about not having a special car if they can afford a 100K plus car lol besides they’re going to kill these so might as well pump them out before they kill it for good