I Tried To Ride As Fast as Lance Armstrong AND Tadej Pogacar
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ก.ค. 2022
- In honor of the Tour de France, I tried to ride as fast as Lance Armstrong and Tadej Pogacar for as long as I could. The difference in time might surprise you. #creatornow
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But it's not just their training, it's genetics (and at least in Armstrong's case, a matter of EPO and blood transfusions and a lot of other illegal help). These guys have genes that give them the ability to flush lactate more quickly, they have more red blood cells, they are just more gifted genetically than the average person. Mere mortals could train 15 hours per week from the age of 15 and never come close. Not to mention their VO2 max, their heart rates, all things that keep most of us having to settle for local group rides and maybe the occasional road race or crit.
You have one of the best cycling content I have seen on TH-cam, that includes GCN too. Loved your storytelling, humor and of course, the experiences and experiments you do. Lots of love and respect from Bangladesh Mitch! Keep'em coming 🙂
Thanks so much, you made my day!
@@MitchBoyer I agree. Let's get you doped out and see what you can do!
cool to hear your cycling history so your content seems even moire relatable, goals attainable. I have a pretty interesting story to get here as well and have been diving head first into the cycling world since summer. Your channel has been extremely educating and inspiring, thanks!!
Thanks Chris! Welcome to the world of cycling 🙌
Nice vid mate! 👏
Thanks, Cam!
I'm really loving your videos. Bravo.
Thanks Grant!
Very nice video, you deserve more cycling love!
Thanks! Appreciate that 🙏
Incredible video man!
Thanks dude!
that is crazy. so fun to ride. I'm lucky to keep a 10 mph pace lol
The pros can do that because they train a lot and take steroids, get on some gear, Mitch, let's take things too far. Do it for science.
😂😂😅😅
you are clueless, they don't take steroids
I jokingly agree
Wrong
Steroids 😂😂 Lance was also world class as a kid with no money, before drugs. Check him out against other world class triathletes before he switched to cycling. Genetic freak to start with. Crazy mentality too. Yes they were taking drugs in quantities seen only on a motley crue tour, but there was a sh!t ton of training too
Congrats, I'm totally interested in your testing protocol :)
Descubrí tu canal hace poco y es genial! Eres un muy buen contador de historias. Este video pone en perspectiva lo que uno considera un “esfuerzo intenso” con lo realmente intenso que corre un profesional. Espero que sigas creciendo y que tu contenido se haga mucho más visible. Saludos desde Colombia 🇨🇴
Gracias por ver! Mi esposa es Colombiana (creció en Miami). Andar en bicicleta en Colombia es un gran deseo mío.
@@MitchBoyer Wao, un saludo para tu esposa!!! y bienvenido a Colombia cuando quieras, encontrarás hermosos paisajes y grandes cimas por conquistar!
Love this effort. Couple things that may have been noted in the comments, but I didn’t see them. Physiologically, there are some folks who possess a different capacity in terms of O2 processing (ML O2/kg of body weight). That accounts for the ability to not only provide O2 to the muscles demanding it but it directly relates to the lactic acid buildup you experienced. Lactic Acid tolerance is something that the top cyclists have at different levels as well and it could also be a big part of their training (callousing effect). The elite endurance athletes have the capacity to continue to perform well at Lactic Acid levels other folk’s muscles couldn’t continue to contract. (your comment that your aerobic capacity was ok but you just couldn’t continue). Another factor that may give you a boost and I didn’t see it mentioned, what Is the room temperature where you were peddling and did you have a cooling fan to help regulate your body heat with in the room temperature? There is a considerable load on the cardiovascular system when the body needs to shunt blood to the skin to aid in cooling. Climbs in France are often very cold at a pretty steady 30+kmh and while we often think of that as miserable, the benefit is mainly advantageous to the working muscles as they aren’t sharing blood with the body’s cooling mechanism. So, Genetic VO2 capacity, unbelievable reps of elite training, elevated lactic acid tolerance levels, mental toughness to deal with discomfort most simply would not endure…
Your video illustrates nicely the relative impact of those physiological elements. I didn’t consider the technical advantage of their equipment or the sophisticated nutritional or supplemental plans impact* Really enjoyed the exercise
Thanks for watching and the detailed breakdown!
This appeared in my feed. You made an excellent video. Your video is better than GCN and more honest.
Thank you!
Fun video with nice comparisons with what the pro’s can do. I just don’t get why you admiring the great power output that doper could produce?
Very interested in the CP testing! As always great videos Mitch!
Thanks for watching!
Very interested to learn about CP along with all the other abstract metrics W’, Decoupling/efficiency, etc
Really fun and interesting video. I am proud of just getting to 400 wats on the trainer for 2 minutes. I need to put more work in guess. Congrats on getting as far as you did.
Great vidoes..
Very nice video and a way to feature critical power. Lance is a hard bar to compare too. On one hand, doping or not, he set an unreal standard for what the human body could attain. On the other, we do not know what lance could do alone. I suspect it is not far from the enhanced performances, though.
Yeah it’s a tricky subject. That’s one reason I wanted to include Tadej Pogacar in the video too. 6.3 w/kg for 30+ mins is honestly just as insane to me as 7 w/kg 🤯
Great video just shows unhuman pros are. Well done for lasting over a minute. It's like sprinters when you see they have done 1400 watts it is crazy
Yeah it's just insane to me 🤯 Glad you enjoyed it!
let us know more about the estimations in the sticky note please
most relatable TH-cam cyclist🤟
Thanks, dude!
At my current weight, I’d have to do 763 watts to match 7w/kg 😳 I’d probably be able to hold that for a good 30 seconds 😂
763 watts for 30 seconds is still a massive effort 💪
202 max HR 😳 that's crazy! Good effort man 🤙
Who's that Cannondale in the back? 😁
Thanks :) The Cannondale is my wife's bike, she just got it!
Nice work….but as soon as I saw Lance in the title I knew you’d have a bunch of comments about drugs 😂
😂 oops ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Do you have any videos for entry level bikes? Just turned 30 going the a pre mid life crisis of wanting to pick up cycling lol
haha welcome to the club! I started with a Giant Revolt 2 (gravel bike) and had it for about a year. I really liked it. There is a review video I made about it if you're interested. For a first road bike, almost any entry level bike from a well-known brand is gonna be a great start. Over time you'll figure out what kind of riding you like to do and you'll likely want to buy a new bike for that kind of riding. I've gone from gravel bike > endurance bike > lightweight race bike in about 3 years.
Hi!
what is the break away app that you talked about?
Can you provide the link or or more info?
Thanks!
There’s a link in the description! It’s a newish app by a couple of early employees at Strava. I’ve been trying it out and like it so far.
Thanks! unfortunately it's only available in iPhone and not android. I guess I have to wait.
@@cabeenz ah bummer! Hopefully they release android soon 🤞
Does anybody know the MUSIC on background during his effort?
Well done, you lasted longer than i thought you would
Thanks!
Interesting video I'm curious which manners of doping did you use for each rider. Haha joking but would be an interesting experimental anyway. Not saying to do it. Or am I? Thanks
What’s the name
Of the program that you are using to replicate the road?
Zwift 🫡
Your house is so cute Mitch!
Lol you designed it
Still waiting for the Critical Power Video 👀❤
Really nice video! Lance was one of his kind. And if there are still people out there thinking pogacar is not using anything i pitty them. Lance had his „orange juice“ from ferrari and pogacar has his „hyperbolic chambers“ provided by san milan.
Thanks for watching!
I pity you. I enjoy cycling and legends as Pogacar until there is proof. In Armstrong case, like it was era where most of peloton dope, also do you think EPO is like some magical potion? Its not even something crazy, it will add up like what? 15%?
@@fangru7294 bees dont waste their time, explaining to flys that honey is better than shit.
@@Gufolicious true I don’t even know why I was trying to comment on fly like you…
What does the name of the app im minute 5 that show the level you are
It’s called The Breakaway. It’s a new app made by some of the original employees at Strava. There’s a link in the description (they only have an iOS version at the moment)
00:01 did you take the epo to make it a fair test😂
to be completely fair you needed that italian doctor who was with Lance when he was winning.
Paging Dr Ferrari...😂
Pogacar was born with an insanely talented body, his lactate levels even at a young age (~20) were much lower than pretty much all top athletes.
Nice observation, you must be a real insider to have that in depth knowledge about pretty much all athletes and their lactate levels at the age of 20y
@@Gufolicious go play pokemon and leave the adults alone, kid
Wait wait wait... you wrote down your (coach estimated) times prior to the effort and then you stopped at those times? Is this testament to your coach's estimation... or the power of suggestion? Had you written down 1:50 and 1:30, would you have stopped there instead?
Lol they're both naturally gifted BUT boosted to the gills!
I was waiting for the plot twist like your video competing against mark and nixon. Or a maybe another twist like you were going to make your own icarus documentary.
Haha I wish I had a plot twist and was magically as strong as a Tour de France pro. Dreams 💭
EPO WORKS
0:38 New Cannondale?
Yep! My wife got a bike!
I am a beginner cyclist around 8 months. I just got serious with cycling so I am going to buy a trainer and I cant wait to do an FTP test.
Critical power … yes please!
🎉 I'll add your vote!
Get some EPO like Lance and Pogacar
427w in TT position plus very technical course do couldnt pedal through corners- Pogacars ftp is likely ~440
Haha you caught me, I was comparing apples to oranges with the TT and climb outputs 🙃. I didn’t wanna get too bogged down in the details, just needed a way to set up the definition of w/kg. I bet you’re right, Pogacar’s FTP is definitely higher than his climbing pace at the end of a long race. It’ll be interesting to see what he does this year!
@@MitchBoyer hehe yeah you did a good job in making it understandable i am just being picky
@@freddieevans4906 picky is good, keeps me honest. Thanks for watching!
this HR wtf
the pros are training more and more efficient than we normal people - and they are among those who do so the few very best; and to compare with LA you have to put in your daily dosis of HGH and EPO and all the other juice
Haha yeah LA Strava is pretty intense 😅
Yes to critical power effort.
Shot it on Saturday! Video should be up in December 🎉
who thehell is pogacha
He doesn't upload power data
you just need the secret minerals they took :)
LA was juiced to the gill and Pogocar is riding clean as far as anyone can tell.
😂😂🤦♂️
You sure? Lance is a multi-Ironman… I’d be careful with thinking you could do more pull ups. Pogo for sure…
There is a difference between pros and doped pros, which you fail yo explain
I think it's time for you to do a ramptest.. you might be possitively surprised.. 😅🤫
Haha yeah, I wish my ramp test FTP results were my real FTP! Ramp tests tend to overestimate my FTP because my legs are relatively strong compared to my aerobic capacity. My best ramp test result gave me an FTP of 309 when in reality it was around 280 at the time. Hopefully one day the two numbers will align! Might be a good video 🤔
Other way around for me, can stay long at 350-380, but when it goes towards 500 it's hasta la vista for me, especially in ergmode. Spiral of death 😵
@@Eirikkinserdal haha i guess we’re all different. You’re a beast btw 💪
I really can’t wait to be able to do an FTP test. It’s so hard to know how much I improve or how I compare to other riders.
Saying that. This video shows the incredible amount of power those guys were putting down… for so long. Wow. And that That 202 HR is crazy!
"cant wait to do my FTP test" saying that shows that you have never done one :DDD you will remember this comment when you did your first one, trust me 😂 its torture
Good luck on your test! It’s fun 😉 haha it actually kind of is in a masochistic kind of way
@@wattier8218 hahaha for sure. I’m just happy that I’ve taken myself from an out of shape person with no cardio that felt going 14 MPH was very tough and could only do it for a short amount of time to actually able to cycle my ass off for 20 minutes.
If you want a fair comparison, you should ingest all drugs they take, and use an electric bike (at least for Armstrong's).
And don't forget one thing: drugs don't just make them faster during the race, they make them stronger over the years, by allowing them to train harder, longer, and compete in (finish) events that they might not have finished if running on clean water. These completed races also contribute to making them stronger.
I stopped putting the pros on a pedestal a long time ago, especially after seeing their level when not on a drip. Good level, but nothing superhuman as you can see in competitions.
People do not understand that these dudes are literally aliens on earth.
It's mind-boggling!
But how is that even comparable knowing that Armstrong was doped?
Don’t do any comparison to lance.
I can probably do more pull ups than Lance Armstrong. And I can easily double Pogacar’s pull ups. If only I could get sponsored…
😂
You are a bit wrong when saying that w/kg is the true measure when you go up the mountains. W/kg is the comparable measure in any type of terrain. Watts by themselves don't matter when you comparing riders with different weights.
Thanks for watching! Raw power and aerodynamics are a bit more important than w/kg on the flats-that’s why sprinters tend to have bigger builds than climbers, but you are right, a rider’s w/kg is important almost everywhere, not just on climbs.
@@MitchBoyer Raw power is important for sprinters because they don't need to output that kind of power for a very long time. Other types of riders tend to have a higher w/kg output on longer efforts. Sprinters are usually only able to reach the finish line at the front in the flat stages since that is the only circumstance where the speed is fast enough to be able to take full advantage of drafting and not having the weight disadvantage of having to fight against gravity much more than their lighter fellows in the climbs.
I think that you could have sustained a bit longer with a higher cadence but also Lance used to use that low cadence style so it's a very accurate representation of him.
I am sorry if it seems that I am just pretending to be a smart a$$. Your video it's quite cool. I wish I could do something like this.
@@g33m33 I appreciate your comments! I wish I could say I was deliberately impersonating Lance's cadence but the truth was I was just fatigued from the efforts 😂
Don't forget that it was proven that Armstrong was doped up while pushing those 7 W/kg so you should take that with a grane of salt.
Lance had a "little help" didn't he?
even putting "A LOT" in airqoutes would be underreporting it :P
Everyone did. I suspect there’s plenty of it going around even today.
Lance Pogacar is your new name if you get done with it
😂
I know you probably picked Lance as he was American and you knew the “cheating” aspect would cause drama and more comments for this I truly do understand.
But i think you should have added a statement in the video that Lance’s power figures were chemically increased.
I still think MIGUEL INDURAIN was better than lance, but Miguel is in my nostalgia time scale.
Please don’t think this is a negative comment, I really did enjoy the video. I’m a nerd I love the maths aspect to it.
You've only been riding for two years - they've been doing structured training for 15+. You'll get a lot stronger with a few years of compounding fitness.
Subtract 20% of those power levels by the pros, then try again. This will probably take away the supplements (…) effects.
back then they ate some magical pills
Mitch, the unit "Watt" is capitalized, as is the abbreviation "W". Units named after people are always capitalized.
You just need star training and doping, join pro cycling side
Blood doping blah blah blah aside, Lance was superhuman on a bike.
To put it another way... Lance Armstrong would need to weigh 143kg (500W / 3.5 WpKG) to be as slow as you!
An interesting race would be you against a virtual Lance, where Lance Armstrong is giving another Lance Armstrong a backie -- as you should be slightly ahead in theory then -- but then again maybe not if it's the final 50km of a 150km race :)
The good news though is that if Lance Armstrong was on Jupiter (2.53x gravity) you'd definitely beat him though
Oh! Super interesting ways to reframe it 🤔
So cruel but hilarious yet Mitch is so much better than most of us
Your cadence was far too low
bit cheesey to cut of and act if u forgot something imo.. just stay true to urself. Dont lie.
its much harder cuz youre heavy too
Yep! Exactly why w/kg is more important on hills than watts alone. Definitely harder to go up hill when you weigh more.
Well don't forget that all the rider use drogue to be better.
Drugs helped him a lot, hey lol😅
Well.... if you are not on drugs, it is only logical you can't ride that fast.
Why don’t you take the drugs that LA did do some training and let see if you can match his power at 30 minutes.
That would be very interesting in the name of science, now that we have the baseline that you can’t really do it.
It will finally end the discussion of everyone can do what LA did if you just take his drugs.
try steroids, lmao.
One is a cheater and hopefully the other doesn’t go on Oprah in the future. First you can’t duplicate a LA ride, Dr Ferrari is out of business.
Surely you can't count anything from lance. He cheated so his figures should be ignored
Stop talking about Lance Armstrong. It’s like promoting doping, you can do better
Agree 👌🏼
Also agree.. what’s more impressive - 7w/kg when you’re drunk on PED’s or 6.5w/kg which the current pros do.. I tend to believe Jai Handley is clean who regularly does 6.5w/kg for 20mins or more..
Thanks for watching and holding me to a high standard 🙏 I definitely don’t wanna promote doping and probably should’ve included a section in the video clarifying that point. I’ll have to think of ways to approach it better next time. To me, a normal person, the 6.3 w/kg that Pogacar puts out is just as insane as the 7 w/kg. They both feel impossible 😱
I disagree! Thank you Mitch for including Lance! It’s amazing to see what Pogacar can do and using Lance’s numbers helped set a “What’s physically possible but not attainable” limit.
Dumb take. You might as well not talk about any sports or athlete. Everyone at the top in any sport is roided to the gills.
too much rambling