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- Byleth kills Judith in Fire Emblem Warriors Three Hopes
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Claude: “ Man I never should have killed Randolph “.
Dimitri in another timeline: “ First time ? “
Not really...
Byleth killed Randolph not Dimitri!🤷
@@0MujaKina0 Byleth killed Randolph for Randolph lmao
@@0MujaKina0 True, but Fleche thought it was Dimitri & that what mattered for her
@@0MujaKina0 mercy killed to stop Dimitri from straight up torturing the dude
@@bluejellybeancos
Yeah! Dimitri was going to torture the guy but (Male/Female) Byleth stopped him!😆
Marianne: Dear Goddess, please guide us.
Sothis: I'll guide you straight to Hell.
She should pray to Jesus Christ instead🙏
@@dhisufiroafrozenseraphimdragon Seiros isn't gonna save her either.
Lol
It's both sad and funny that she's basically praying to the same person who offed Judith 😭
eat gl4ss
Green Unit moment
Rodrigue was a green unit in three houses.
@@jessieflores2666
At least he pulled off a shield moment, and didn't initiate a fight he couldn't win...
Sup
How to not die
Step 1 : don't be a green unit (except Rodrigue)
Step 2 : don't charge attack a fucking demon
I hate to break it to you...
I thought Step 2 is "Do not pursue the Ashen Demon."
Rodrigue wasn't a green unit...
@@killercroc99 He also didn't enter a duel with Byleth, instead being killed in a surprise attack.
@@killercroc99 yeah they said that
Man, Claude look so depressed in this scenario.
Also, he didn’t get a chance to mourned like Dimitri.
Man that fucking smirk on Sothis-Byleth face is chilling, seeing someone who is usually emotionless, kind or serious with that outright malicious expression is...just...brr gives me shivers.
sothis is kinda scary in this one, you can suddenly see that rhea is her daughter...
guess in the og timeline, babysitting byleth so long softened her up a bit
Isn't this out of character for Sothis
@@adventuresteamstudios242 I think she has more of her memories here which may have resulted in her being a bit different.
@@adventuresteamstudios242 Its never really touched on but I think her detecting Arval triggers some kill mode defense upon her awakening inside Byleth, making her malicious towards him and his allies
Bro fr
Judith " I'll handle the Ashen Demons"
Me watching "Instantly I see where this is going"
Immediately put my Switch down and let Sothis take the wheel, there was no way Judith could've won.
She died like a true Green Unit.
Felix laughing smugly
Honestly, this would have a lot more impact if Byleth killed Holst, especially in a blatantly retaliatory murder. Rodrigue's death hits hard because you not only lose one of your better units, but because said unit is a strong man killed by a cheap shot after battle, ironically exactly like how Jeralt dies in White Clouds. Judith losing a fight against someone way above her weight class just doesn't hit the same as “Fodlan's strongest warrior” dying to an ambush, not to mention the potential of having Hilda's reaction as well to her brother dying.
That’s the same with Randolph’s death, actually. Having Monica or Manuela die would have been more appropriate for Scarlet Blaze AND reduce the number of magic users on that route (too many).
better solution: LET JUDITH BE PLAYABLE DAMMIT, WHY HAVE THESE FUCKS FAILED AT THIS TWICE NOW, GD STILL HAS THE LEAST AMOUNT OF EXCLUSIVES (compared to BL's 90% of roster and BE's power quartet+whoever else they never fit as recruitable idk). GD has a relative shortage of sword specials anyway, only really having Holst and Shez as guaranteeds, and Petra is the only optional recruitable swordie before Recruit/Kill Jeralt split
@@gantz22ify Imagine if Monica died shielding Shez/Edelgard from a fatal blow from Byleth . Maybe it could shake them to finally have to see the immediate consequence of their actions while El is hurt by seeing one of her few close allies directly give their life for her well-being. Really cement Edelgard having to realize just how horrible she was willing to be that she intended to let Monica be murdered to advance her goals, and now struggles with the idea that the same woman she would let die for her ambitions willingly gave her life out of a belief in Edelgard's cause.
Or maybe they would just ignore the whole “sold Monnie out to the Agarthans” thing to focus on the sadness of a simp dying.
That’s good writing bro gtfo 😤 with that
Not really, Judith has a much stronger connection to Claude than Holst does. It only makes sense that she die to hurt him.
If only Judith was a playable character, but at least we get to see that Shez was close to saving her, unlike the other deaths. Now Shez can really say that he couldn't save them.
Yeah, they fumbled the bag on that one. This would've hit harder had she been playable, but at least it was super conflicting for both Shez and Claude.
"Don't die on me Judith" Judith "well now I want to"
Sothis being that vengeful seems surprising... until you remember that she IS Rhea's mom !
Now we know where Rhea got it from.
I mean *she made* the Valley of Torment after an attack used as punishment. She really went full Zhongli that time.
@@Ace_Maus Wait, I thought that was due to the Agarthians light nukes according to Rhea at the end of the Golden Deer route in the original timeline? Did I miss something in 3 Hope's?
@@plazik7481 You're correct. One of their javelins was set to hit the monastery, but it was deflected and instead impacted Ailell.
Revenge, it lives
4:52 except Jeralt lived like 300+ years lol
Why isn't Judith playable!? 😭
@Меѳодїи Dutch?
If you could play her, she’d suicidally charge into enemies and die.
@@gantz22ify K? She's a badass though.
It’s more upsetting that Alois isn’t playable
@@sohn7767 I love Alois but Judith is cool too! Plus she should have been playable during VW in Houses, so they could have fixed that mistake in Hopes.
Also her and Nader are important characters for GW, and take to the battlefield multiple times! So the hell?
Judith dying feels like a climax of chapter 10. Instead of it just... falling off once Fleche's dead and you go "byleth pog"
You kill Fleche who was trying to avenge Randolph. You can't say anything because you KNOW Claude's in the wrong. Catherine killing Randolph is just business.
*Claude forcing it to happen is a dick move.*
Jeralt then ends up dying too, because Shez's lust for revenge is too high. Byleth retaliates by killing Judith.
It's nothing but loved ones dying for the sake of someone else's revenge.
And Judith and Jeralt dying over Fleche's avengement of a man who should have never died is the perfect way to drive it home.
of course, outside of the chapter itself, there ends up being no actually good reason to kill Jeralt. you lose out on the secret maps meaning that *lmao, no Blutgang for you this run*, and on this route, byleth is sorely underused story-wise regardless of what you do on the split. (they really should have had Byleth join Shez and the house leaders in Zahras at the very least)
so its just a cycle of hate and pure angriness,by recruting byleth we end it aqnd trully evolve as a person(or player)
@@gypsysprite4824 Don't forget you miss out on Claude's paralogue
@@moon4236 Why does not recruiting Byleth make you miss Claude's paralouge when it has nothing to do with them?
Oh never mind I remember. Judith...
@@dhisufiroafrozenseraphimdragon Yeah Judith is in his paralogue and it unlocks after chapter 10 lol
Poor Judith, you might be the hero of Daphnel, but it isn' enough to best the Ashen Demon, they are literally a Divine Dragon in Human flesh.
As someone who put more hours into this game than I am willing to admit, i never got this cut scene. In each play through I always recruit Fem Byleth. I find her to adorable to kill her.
It was so hard for me to do it in the SB route. Even thought it was my final route and I've recruited Byleth already in the other 2, I still was extremely hesitant to kill them off but figured I had to do it to get some different paralogs and new cutscenes. At least there's no sad ally death in that route since Byleth just kills ol Randolph lmao
2:14 That look just says “That’s right, Shez, it was me, Byleth! I killed your Dommy Mommy!”
Seeing Sothis' smirk on Byleth's face is probably the most cursed image in this game.
@@lucario5748 Sothis’ voice coming out of MByleth’s mouth is unsettling as well
In Scarlet Blaze Byleth kills Randolph and almost kills Fleche instead, Green Units can’t catch a break
I find it weird that this route tries to make Claude a more flawed character, having him sacrifice Randolph because he wants to limit Federation casualties, but then he immediately realizes he was in the wrong before seeing any consequences. It makes it feel pointless.
I feel Claude should have stubbornly stuck to his guns that he made the right choice, and then once you get to Fleche's revenge map, have Judith die regardless of whether or not you recruit Byleth. That gives Claude a reason to reflect on his mistakes and to grow as a character more naturally. I know he did do some self introspection in this scene, but like I said he's already realized he was in the wrong at this point so it didn't change anything.
Of course, you should still get a worse ending if you don't recruit Byleth. Someone else suggested that Holst should have died instead, and I think that would work. Something like Fleche kills Judith herself at some point during the battle no matter how you play, and if you don't recruit Byleth then s/he ends up killing Holst, so you end up with two deaths. Judith is never playable anyway, so her death wouldn't even be a mechanical punishment for the player.
Actually, after thinking about it more, I suppose having a significant character die isn't really necessary. Losing unnamed soldiers in a pointless and avoidable battle is consequence enough for Claude to realize he was wrong. My only real problem is that he had already resolved the issue before even starting this battle, and I feel it would have worked better if the resolution came after this chapter.
@@ponspectorstillwedie4579 I completely agree. It's a shallow development at best, and Claude being characteristically shrewd underneath his many layers definitely could've justified him sticking to his less than righteous scheming for a time. It lacked that timely realisation after losing precious lives and an invaluable ally when he's been doubting himself since the Federation kicked off.
They made Claude look as if he'd been convincing himself that he wanted to rule, that he wanted the war, that he was on board with toppling down the central church because it was convenient as opposed to him _truly_ wanting or meaning to do those things. We know he's been keeping tabs on the Church in 3 Houses, but we didn't get any of that in 3 Hopes, so naturally it didn't hit as hard or add as much value to his story.
It would've been a decent slap in the face for us to get humbled by not only Judith's death, but you know who else? Claude's mother.
Balthus is under constant attack from his stepmother, and his house is but of minor nobility. Wouldn't anyone affiliated with the Riegan dukedom do worse if prodded? What about Almyran nobility? We have Balthus always fearing for his mother whereas Tiana is ever-safe, unmentioned, out of harm's way in Almyra. . after her Riegan son fells one of the Almyran princes in battle? That's not realistic in my view.
There seems to be no end to what Claude can do with little to no consequences whatsoever from his Almyran family. If they're as large as all that with several princes in play and the King himself-- would they not have something to say about Claude's affairs? Shahid was a joke, so it couldn't have hurt to put forward somebody else to represent Almyra on a grander scale after what happened to a member of the royal family. If they wouldn't have Fleche send envoys to Almyra for the purpose of assassinating his mother out of spite, they could've at least given us a half-decent face-off between both sides of his family.
Now, me personally, I would've gone with the assassination attempt. Tit for tat. The Empire had enough chess pieces in the board to unearth information about Claude should they ever need to, not to mention that TWSITD had a strong presence in Leicester just as well as in Faerghus. Fleche clearly meant to use everything and everyone at her disposal. It'd have stung a lot more for her to basically tell Claude "you took from me with deceit, I take from you likewise" with such an action. She's cunning and spiteful enough to do worse as shown in 3 Houses, so it's a missed opportunity.
When Claude gave the speech on why Leicester shouldn't put its faith in the Empire or break its back for Faerghus, our boy sounded downright mean, in a good way. You could hear the bark in his bite. You could feel the repressed bitterness he held towards Fodlan. It reminded me of the remarkably unpleasant experiences Claude had as little kid, and that made me think of every other commoner or outsider unlucky enough to be born into bad circumstances, which in turn made me sympathise with Claude's sentiment and overlook the means. I disagree with punishing people for the actions of their ancestors, especially when you consider that Lambert worked tirelessly to make drastic changes, and that later Dimitri took up the mantle, but even so I could understand Claude's one-track mind in that particular moment out of emotion.
Claude's always taking risks, but this was the first time that one of his military decisions came about without careful deliberation plus everyone else's preemptive input. It had catastrophic consequences on top of that, and boy I _loved_ it. I wanted to see what they were going to do, and what sort of heavy drawback we'd get from it. They barely did anything, and having this inner conflict somewhat resolved when it hadn't even been fleshed out properly really irked me.
Judith's death did upset me however Rodrigue's certainly upset me more, and I think we can all agree on that. Both mechanically and emotionally speaking, it just wasn't the move.
male byleth yessssss the best byleth 🤝
I have a question, why would Judith engage the enemy without any knowledge or skill, that is called recklessness
To try and quickly beat them.
Yeah, that's not like Judith from what we know of her. She's usually smarter & more calculating than this
@@BardockSkywalker That's a good point. They should've had it happen accidentally as with Rodrigue, a sudden dispatch coming from a place of revenge.
Didn't Claude order some of his men to fetch Shez? I think that took priority over engaging a catalyst with unknown powers, and like you said Judith isn't a fool. Had she been searching for Shez and attacked out of the blue, the scene would've actually hurt.
Shez could've gotten back on their own after beating Jeralt only to find that Judith had already set out to look for them, and that Byleth was still at large. Fade to Shez running past the trail of corpses, fearing the worst and having it confirmed as Judith lay there dead. No parting words for Shez to hear either, those should've been left to the wind and for the player alone to listen, knowing that Shez was never going to make it in time.
Idk man some of these scenes seem to be written by someone who forgot how the characters actually are.
why does any character do anything in claudes route lol? she died for plot
I'm going to be honest: Spoilers ahead
After I played Blue Lions and well...
Rodrigue dies to Byleth and considering he's playable, I honestly legit predicted that judith would be the one to die in the Golden Wildfire route because that's the only NPc i really felt that actually could make an impact to Claude without it being detrimental and yeah I was right.
There were really only 2 options it had to be either her or Nader, and unlike Nader Judith was around all the time since Nader still had to report to Almyra. They wouldn't have Byleth kill off Holst considering his hype as the strongest person in Fodlan rivaled only by Bergliez
Should've been Holst for GD and Monica for BE, idk why they'd only killed Rodrigue lol
Honestly I think it would have been more entertaining if it was Hubert killed in BE. A veteran players love, tends to be on the field and fighting, impactful but having other options… Yeah Monica works but would have been way more surprising.
@@Palasid11 well although it would be more "entertaining" per see, it just wouldn't have the same effect. having holst, mon, and rodrigue die have the same effect cause they were additional characters for the route, meanwhile having Hubert, which is the 3rd most important character in the route to die will not be good lol, unless hilda and dedue also die then that would be cool.
Why would they kill Judith
Shes such a great character
Because she was a great character.
So it would have impact.
I recruited Byleth in golden wildfire before I knew this so now I’m glad I recruited Byleth.
Yeah 🥺I was broken when I found she died if you don’t recruit Byleth and Jeralt. I mean I made a joke she’d do a Rodrigue on me and saw it coming but only wish it was a joke
Wait what, I can do that?
@@alinepiroutek8932Why yes you can.
@@alinepiroutek8932 Yeah it's a lot more tricky in the Golden Deer route compared to Blue Lions/Red Eagles but if I remember correctly you have to escort Claude back to the evacuation point on the map, and then kill Fleche almost simultaneously without engaging Byleth in battle
@@plazik7481 I thought it was impossible because Byleth always reached Claude no matter what I did. But yesterday after lots of tentatives, I did.
I knew it I first played azure gleam now I am playing scarlet blaze and watched who gets killed by byleth and I guessed it that Judith is gonna get killed if you kill jeralt
In hindsight recruiting byleth or nit is a choice between byleth and your new best friend Arval which is also very sad
Am i the only one wondering why Jeralt's Boss theme is different in Golden Wildlife?
So much for the famed Hero of Daphnel, nobody is a match for the Ashen Demon
If she had been playable maybe I'd find it more sad
Who does, if anyone, Byleth kill in Scarlet Blaze? I heard that Byleth doesn't resist Sothis in that route as well. Is that true?
Randolph! th-cam.com/video/DB5u0tZgwNs/w-d-xo.html
Byleth gives into Sothis at any point you kill Jeralt.
I think this would have been more profound if they had Holst die instead of Judith
Yeah, either that or just make Judith playable
From what i know if u don't get byleth he littery will kill felix father in azure route and in claude route is Judith idk about EdgaR route...
The route where you kill jeralt are just das so much death
NOT JUDITH :(
How do you unlock this I've already completed the blue Lions root. But I never knew that this was a possibility.
On Claude route don’t recruit Byleth
@@emperorjoker9240 oh so it's not the Blue Lion root the golden deer root okay thank you.
@@adrianarballo179 I mean... It was pretty obvious that this wasn't Azure Gleam, no ?
@@CuteHimbo I thought it was I mean I've only played the blue Lion route not the other two.
@@adrianarballo179 Lol why would BL Shez be hanging out with Claude and mourning Judith lol this is the GD route
This is ridiculous.. you didn’t defeat him, you murdered him
Why is this the only route with a red glow during the Jeralt fight scene
It's red during Scarlet Blaze too. The only difference here is there's no music.
@@dhisufiroafrozenseraphimdragon I forgot about Scarlet Blaze, but it's definitely not red in Azure Gleam. I wonder why they decided to put in these subtle differences when the cutscene is mostly the exact same lol
@@skazka3789 Well I guess I'd rather it be a little different then exactly the same even if it doesn't matter.
@@skazka3789 it’s because the fight takes place in different locations at different times of day depending on the route. That’s all there is to it.
@@pearsemolloy9656 It's because the developers were too stingy to make unique cutscenes for the different routes so they were like let's change the shading slightly to make it look different
NOOO! Not the milf- *ehem* I mean, my favorite female hero. I would marry her if the game allowed. Let me be even gayer, IS!
I hate how Azure Gleam is the only route where not recruiting Byleth costs a playable unit, and hate the Boar and several of his classmates.
The thing is both houses have non-classmate units that could have made the prefect narrative sense to die and have a bigger impact. I think GW should of had Holst die here, and SB should of had Jeritza die.
To be fair, Azure Gleam has way more exclusives than both SB and GW (and Jeritza isn't even one of the SB ones lol) I feel like that could've partially fixed that by giving us more exclusives for those routes lmao, Randolph, Ladislava, Fleche, Judith, Nader are right there.
@@angel_aeon Jeritza being recruited in Azure Gleam is pretty pointless when there is like two chapters left at that point.
@@zerofudou5689 Yeah, he's pretty much just there to give Mercedes closure and I guess so he has supports with Catherine lol.
Jeritza kinda makes sense actually. But Manuela or Monica would also make sense for SB. Sad as any of that would make me 🥲
nah Manuela should have died in Scarlet blaze
Why is byleth evil?
Spoiler:
Sothis is controlling Byleth during this scene and the other routes respective cutscenes. Even then Byleth isn’t evil in these. They’re an antagonist.
the story actually gets better if you just dont recruit Byleth
Byleths impact on the overall story is pretty insignificant. All you get is just more death if you don't recruit Byleth. That Arval paralog you get though sure as hell was interesting tho 👀
Umm, no. Not at all.
First
lets goo
This was just dumb and left a bad taste in the mouth. One of many events that contributed to the overall dissatisfaction and downfall of the game.