No doubt this’ll be one that everyone has different opinions on, you know because of subjectivity, so gimme your bottom 5 tracks, if there are 5 that you hate. Also, I never played the original Forza so if that had any stinkers, which were they?
I find something to enjoy and nitpick on all tracks... I don't hate any track But there are circumstances that make me temporarily hate the experience...
I played Forza 5 non stop.. Missed 6 and got into 7 late.. VIR was hard and also Dubai. COTA feels weird and was hard to learn. YAS I've never fully loved and its rife for dirty racing. Never liked Monza ever. Homesteads are boring. Rio is gnarly bumpy and way too narrow. Yuk. But Maple Valley I adore first time as wasn't in 5. My favourite is Nordschleife 4m48s Best.
I have never really played the Forza series, maybe 2 or 3 times (for motorsport) but even from F1 2020 I can tell you that circuit of the americas is RUBBISH!
I hate Rio because you can't overtake in most places, those damn bumps everywhere and it is a ramming fiesta. Top gear is bad because it's completely boring. Don't like some virginia layout with those stupid blind left-righ-left turns with walls everywhere you have to take at 1mph. The best is the one and only nurburgring complete track.
Gonna have to disagree on Homestead. As a big oval racing fan, I really love the nature of the Oval. And the road course is pretty good to. Sure it's a challenge but that's what makes it fun. I will say the Alt layouts are a bit dumb, but to me there's a bit of a novelty to racing on these weird circuits. Although I will fully agree on yeeting Dubai for the next game. I never really played it in online lobby's, but even in single player I began to dread this track after a few times. #engagementgang
When I was a mere youngun and played FM4 for the first time, for some reason my favorite track was Maple Valley. ...to this day I have no idea why. Nowadays my favorite is probably Prague.
I almost fully agree with this list. The only one I’m not sure about is COTA, but in saying that it is perfect for the corner cutters and rammers out there, who seem to be out in forces right now. In saying that, on it’s own I think it’s quite a good track to drive. Still, there are so many other tracks I’d love to see over these and hopefully even some really good fantasy tracks in future. As for real life tracks I’d love to see, places like Kyalami would be brilliant, I also have a real soft spot for Twin Ring Motegi so that would be nice, and you could even have your oval with that if the devs felt like another oval was needed for some reason. Past those, maybe even some of the F1 circuits past and present which could produce some great racing. Sepang would be amazing, although very far fetched I imagine. Oh and one last track which I certainly couldn’t forget, give us Interlagos please. With an honourable mention for magny cours as well because I love that track even though I highly doubt we’d ever see it!
I got a racing wheel for Assetto Corsa Competizione and tried playing Forza 7 with the wheel. It doesn't take much to turn the wheel and be at full lock. Adjusting the settings doesn't help either. So I virtually stop playing it all together and focus on Assetto Corsa Competizione.
Same here. I got a G920 back in late 2017 and FM7 has really only been useful as a timewaster for when I want to race without effort, and it's still boring. Not to mention just how horrendously unoptimized the Forzatech Engine is for wheel use. I get lift-off oversteer in practically every corner and trail braking is impossible.
@@ianmacdonald8585 I started to take racing more seriously with Forza Motorsport 7 and ended up expanding into Assetto Corsa Competizione. I was never the fastest on Forza Motorsport 7 to begin with however it is harder than it needs to be play with the wheel on Forza Motorsport 7
I actually enjoy Rio de Janeiro, and I understand your point, although I think it's a different problem. The fact that the track Is bumpy, tight and very demanding means that there is no room for mistake, and I really appreciate these sort of tracks, because they are out of the ordinary. (In fact I can recall many occasions where I had good racing there) The problem is when you put it in an online lobby most of the time it's just absolute chaos.
I actually really enjoy Rio, but only in lower PI races. Anything B-Class or lower it is really fun, But the bumpiness of the track that I enjoy in slower races becomes a bit too much in anything higher then A-Class.
I actually really like Homestead, but only the Road Course (especially the one using oval Turns 3/4 and the oval itself). The Mini tracks or whatever they're called can go straight into the bin. Add those small Patriot versions of VIR in said bin as well. I still really like the normal VIR track.
Homestead (and IMS) are great tracks, specially the oval, however Forza really need to tweak the way oval racing works to make doing a 50 lap race in an Indycar around Indy an enjoyable experience.
I recall I once did an offline race in a pack of 24 Indy Cars at IMS. I set the race to 20-something laps, unusually long for me (outside of NASCAR). I made it through the first corner, then ended up pile-driving a bot who had spun out. What confused me was that the other AI started checking up without warning. I watched the replay and figured it out. You know how most drivers will hit the brakes when they see smoke? Well, Forza 7, for "optimization" reasons (I guess?), smoke disappears very quickly, like within a second. Essentially, the bots could see smoke (and the spinning car), but I had no way to see it. So I pile-drove into the rear of three other cars. That pissed me off. Smoke is an important indicator that something has gone wrong; I'm not going to expect the bots to jam the brakes on a straightaway without reason. Come to think of it, I haven't played Forza since that day...huh...
Most of the street circuits apart from long beach are my least favorite. At least for online racing. I can tolerate COTA and Yas Marina. Maple valley is fine for hot lapping but like you said, for online, not so much. And at this point I'd prefer they just get rid of the top gear test track.
Just drove Assetto Corsa today after months driving ACC and having driven FM7 for the two years prior. My life is a lie I can't believe I ever wasted time on FM7 now😂
COTA and Yas would have a better reputation if T10 implemented sticky grass/ pavement instead of weirdly placed tyre walls. I can understand that in a hot lapping setting both the tracks can be dull, and in a pub lobby the racing gets overshadowed by cutters. But both of these track actually provide extremely good/ close races with skilled players in similarly matched equipment. Just a different perspective.
I think Tilkedromes get more hate then they deserve.... Many of them provide really good racing in reality (apart from F1) and are quite nice to drive in the games. I agree on the enormous runoffs, they don´t punish mistakes. Which sucks in games but save lives and damages in reality, so I understand the use of them. What kills Tilke as a track designer is the fact that there are no other track designers used for the big new circuits. He has his style which is fine and it wouldn´t be so bad if there were 3 or 4 designers with their individual styles. Every "new" circuit feels similar because he designed it his way.
I personally like Rio, but very rarely would I run the full circuit. The coastal or mini circuit I thing makes for fun racing, where as the mountain loop is fun for drifting.
The homestead speedway alt and super mini layouts don’t exist IRL. I don’t know why they put the speedway alt layout in but I find the super mini circuit to be a fantastic testing track. It’s 2 long straights, a hairpin, and a double apex turn. It’s good to test handling and not much else IMO. Same for the Long Beach short layout, that would be good only if Forza had karts.
Forza suffers from serious bloat when it comes to alt layouts and there is also very little in the way of filtering. GT3 endurance (and other fast classes) should NEVER have to race on short layouts, certain alt layouts (Suzuka alt for instance) are there just to fill up space. Sonoma and VIR make the game a literal guessing game as you don't know what variant you're on until it (literally) hits you in the face. Also I'm happy to see that I'm not the only one that thinks that Forza's fictional tracks are really not that good.
Should absolutely be full tracks only for GT lobbies, and even then there are a bunch of layouts that really ought to not be in rotation for multiplayer. It’s such an easy fix, but they just can’t seem to be bothered to do it.
Oh man I'd love to see you try to fix Dubai. It's just a boring track with some really bad features. There's one line through the track with almost no margin for error and each mistake or deviation costs several tenths, if not more. COTA looks like it should be fun but is just boring. Most turns on Yas are a chore. But how dare you consider VIR--it's one of the best tracks in the game, ribbons and all that notwithstanding. It gets a bad rep because it's hard and most folks don't know it too well. Also because between all the alternate layouts and night/rain options it has like 27 times the chance of being selected as an environment over Laguna Seca with it's single layout/time of day/weather. But the standard layout is almost like a fantasy track (not a T10 fantasy track mind you), but real, with how all the turns and elevation changes are laid out. And it's quite a balanced track to boot.
Forgot to mention my bottom 5 would be very similar. But I really dislike Hockenheim and I would be very tempted to include it. It's kind of a cluster for racing in Forza, and it feels like a chore to hotlap.
I actually really enjoy Maple Valley. Maybe because I've just gotten good at it. And I don't think Dubai is THAT bad but the walls drive me crazy. COTA is also a corner cutters dream. You can cut like 4 seconds on the West route by ignoring track limits on the S's into the double chicane. Also the pit entry is a nightmare
Great call on Dubai as # 1, plus Circuit of the Americas. The Rio track isn't horrible, but the reverse from what you showed is THE WORST when coming down the hill and you hit the curbs on the right in the braking zone.
I agree with all besides COTA idk why but I love COTA guess it's because I love the hell outta sonoma and it gives me those vibes or that I want like texas speedway or charlotte motor speedway in the next forza game instead of homestead because both of those ovals have nice rovals and ain't like homestead but I agree with all the other tracks
A lot of the Tilkedromes depend on who you are racing against. I’ve had great races in the likes of COTA and Abu Dhabi but only when the lobby isn’t filled with rammers and cutters.
Yeah they’re designed to provide overtaking opportunities, so they can definitely make for good racing, but for me it could be done in a more natural feeling way
In my opinion, the dubai mountain circuit is infact one of the worst tracks in forza. But in my experience, the shorter layouts that don't include the mountain section, can provide some good racing.
COTA is the worst multiplayer map imo due to the sheer amount of votes it gets combined with the cutters wet dream. yas is unplayable as well despite being a decent track. also, homestead alt should not be a multiplayer lobby but I strongly believe it is actually a tuner’s track that is almost necissary for dialing in ARB ratios. also i seriously dislike any alps variant since it exaggerates class imbalances.
Unpopular opinion: Yas Marina is awesome, but only in full layout and with similar cars such as V8 Supercars, BTCC, or GT3/E. F1 is too quick for the track, and the track's side-by-side potential is wasted because of that. Side note- Piss VIR right off, except for North and Full.
Oh yea, one thing I heavily dislike about dubai though even though I really like the track is that the only way to pass people since drafting doesn't exist, is if your car is faster than theirs on the straight otherwise you aren't passing anyone.
It's to look at the fantasy tracks of the xbox one era of Forza Motorsport and realize how out of touch with Motorport these games were. Fantasy street circuit at prague instead of Brno which is a real circuit in Czech republic, fantasy track street circuit at rio instead of Interlagos, fantasy street circuit at Dubai, instead of Dubai Autodrome, and they wasted time travelling to these places to record data and make more realistic tracks, which caused this tracks to be mediocre at best for actual racing. I really hope the focus on scanning real tracks on the next gen especially real tracks outside of the US.
That will be a good one. Probably not my overall fav but right up the sharp end would have to be Camino Viejo de Montserrat EXTREME layout from FM4. Not ideal for online but a great Hot lap track to test every aspect of a car
@@elusivevii653 Great shout, extreme was such a thrill to test drive circuit builds or time attack-style driving. Le mans(mulsane version I believe), Sebring, Tsukuba and Bernise Alps few other honourable mentions
@@kevinu6004 Extreme was my go to for an all round test on a car. It has everything. Sweeping fast corners, sharp slow corners, a long back straight with a chicane, long corners with tightening apexs, elevation changes both straight and in corners and that "Hill Climb Esque switchback section was amazing for tuning out understeer/oversteer. Admitedly, I was never a fan of bernese alps unless it was lower class for those flat out "momentum is key" races. But otherwise totally agree. I adore tsukuba, a car down on power can win there, if it has great brakes, sharp turn in and good on power traction. Le Mans O.M I found good for nailing your gear ratios, I use this track to work out my final drive and final gear ratio maximums and then can gear a car to a circuit based of that. Did you like FM3s rally di postiano? I found this a great way to tune out imperfections in cars. I wouldn't dream of spending the time on modern FM that I did on 3 and 4 on tuning cars though 😂
In regards to Yas Marina, I recall recently seeing a video from a certain prominent streamer/shed boi saying "fuckin Herman Tilke bullshit, squibbly-ass track design."
I dont want them to remove any..sure there are some that are more liked than others but personally I think they all present a very different challenge and we need to see all the tracks from at least most games come back to one game. I want all the tracks in one game but that's not gonna happen.
I love Dubai and you are an unsavoury thing. Okay, I don't LOVE Dubai, but I do really enjoy the mountain layout when you do the hairpins downhill, that actually flows well. Rest of it I agree is naff though. And I'm glad someone shares my opinion of Maple Valley being overrated. For most people it's probably just nostalgia and "Forza fantasy tracks were better when I was young" kind of thinking.
COTA: agree Yas Marina: disagree (ok with drivers who can behave themselves) Homestead: disagree (super-mini and speedway alt suck, but the rest are good) Rio: agree (Coast Loop would be perfect if they axed the chicane, but they should've just brought back the original) Maple Valley: disagree, but you make a good point (full reverse does suck though) Prague: reverse layouts (just, no) Top Gear: agree Dubai: agree (City Circuit Alt is ok, would be better if they'd clean that one turn) Personal worst tracks (no circuits as a whole, just certain layouts) VIR: everything but full and North suck Bernese Alps: a favorite since its inception, but Stadtplatz and Club do not work in their reverse iterations Daytona: Short/Moto (did it really have to be included?) Indy: GP (much prefer the classic version) Lime Rock: South Chicane and Full alt Long Beach: West Route (would prefer to have an East route alt using the Formula e chicane) Road America: anything that isn't the full route (especially the moto chicane layouts) Sebring: Club (would remove from list if it's pit was utilized and start/finish is relocated to it) Silverstone: GP and International (the first unlikely to be going anywhere, but Abbey was far more enjoyable as a chicane than a sweeper, the arena section sucks, and RIP Bridge corner) Suzuki: Full alt and both West layout (stop including the damn moto layouts) VIR: anything that isn't the full or North layouts #engagementgang
Unfortunately Forza lost a lot of to its competitors. There is no new content, a proposal for leveling drivers, penalties, really relevant cars (GT3 and GT4). Definitely joined the group of arcade games. Forza 8 will must to be a completely different game if it want to bring back those who have already abandoned the game. Great channel Devon. Success! Greetings from Brazil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Totally agree. There is no simcade on Xbox to compete with GT Sport. Forza has gone right the way down the simcade scale and is now full on arcade. Motorsport should not even be in the title. 100's of cars, 99% of them sh*t ( well maybe 99% is a bit hyperbolic, but this is a rant so hyperbole is to be expected :-p ). No rankings, no matchmaking, no serious racing at all. Such a big community, but if they don't get 8 right and actually deliver a "Motorsport" game with race cars, rankings, penalties, and competitions to nurture and grow the community then more will switch Playstation and Forza as a brand will be forever known as 100% arcade.
I agree with the start of this list, circuit of the Americas I despise, Marina I don't even want to talk about, but personally I like Rio and Dubai, Ill give a reason why. Yes its bumpy and throw a full lobby into it it can be pretty chaotic but I find when im in a good lobby of clean racers its quite enjoyable, I feel like the un-evenness of the road adds to the track rather takes away from it, its another challenge that most other tracks in Forza don't have and it makes myself really think about how fast I can go into the turns. don't get triggered by this im not trying to be nasty but I think that most people that complain about the bumps on Rio are just bad drivers, or maybe they just need more experience and someone to coach them through it. As for Dubai, sometimes it'll come up in the lobby and I wont feel like playing it, sometimes it can be redundant, but I like the options in short courses it has and most times I enjoy playing the shorter courses more. However, like how Rio is bumpy Dubai has quite a few off-cambered corners up in the tight mountain sections which not a lot of other tracks have and I feel like this adds to it rather then takes away. Again I say this not to be nasty but most players probably don't like this track because they are bad drivers, or maybe they just need more experience and someone to coach them through it, but I will also admit of coming un-stuck in the downhill section of the track more times then I can count
Liked before I even watched This will be good Edit : agree with you on this, my only difference of opinion is I like Yas Marina but with all the corner cuts and extensions it needs proper track limits. Just keep it in the game for hotlapping but like TopGear keep it out the online lobbies
The Dubai City and City Alt tracks are criminally underrated but the mountain section can get IN THE BIN. Maple Valley is only good as the full track and in reverse, the normal direction and short tracks can get IN THE BIN
I don't care what game its in, I hate Silverstone. No elevation changes so many corners are just marked by cones, and it's always ugly and grey and often raining.
I usually like tracks I'm good at and hate the tracks I'm shit. COTA's racing line feels just weird to me and I can't get it right. VIR is awful because of the 20 layouts/rain/night and the ability of people bumping you off track easily. I also don't like any version of Homestead and it comes so often on multiplayer lobbies which is frustrating. About the comparison with MW3's Downturn at 5:16, you're spot on. I've played COD for many years and can say that map was pure and completely trash.
Personally I think all Forza custom tracks should be completely scrapped from the game and more real tracks should be added, this is one of the reasons I stopped playing FM7 and started playing Project Cars 2 because the track selection is actually more fun and interesting on there. The next Forza Motorsport title really needs to do a lot in terms of track selection and racing for me to enjoy it and please add tracks like Oulton Park, Red Bull Ring and Donnington to name a few. #engagementgang
Omg finally someone with as much hate for that dubai track, I cannot for the love of god get the power down on the uphill turns it’s alllways making me lay rubber down
Dubai and Alps are just terrible. They've had great fictional tracks over the years but prioritizing people who take pictures in a MOTORSPORT game is ridiculous. Maple Valley, Sunset Peninsula, Fuji Kaido. Now that they can rest their "game for car people" hands on Horizon, I hope that FM8 is a game for racing people. I wont' hold my breath though. T10 works for moneysoft after all.
I quite like Cota...in other games. For some reason Forza's Cota just doesn't sit right. In other games it tends to be quite nice to drive and u get into a rhythm. In forza it just seems like you never settle in. Maybe its the curbs or Forza's handling in general, but it just feels off.
Omg... Let me create my own tracks, opponents and series... Screw the same old tracks that are in every game. Let me download tracks from the community and race against my own garage cars with all custom paint schemes or whatever I want.. Do a video on how great that would be.
Rio is the only one I disagree with. I get why a lot of people don't like it, but personally I absolutely love it. It's the only track I've ever beat JSR LeeCampbell on!
I only race in the gt hopper nowadays so I don't have to deal with Dubai anymore. But I have grown to really hate Maple and the Americas, also Prauge has become a track I usually spectate or just find a new lobby when it pops up. Why these tracks are in the rotation when Laguna Seca and the Nordschleife aren't is beyond me... Do turn 10 seriously think people would rather race GT cars round Maple Valley short, in the rain, over Laguna Seca?!
I think it’s more a problem of apathy on their behalf than not knowing what people want to do. It wouldn’t take long at all to change the rotation so it only has full tracks, but they can’t be arsed to do it. An early example of this is when they first had the GT lobby, it had sim damage instead of fuel and tyres and when told about it, they just turned damage off altogether and then turned it back to sim damage and left it there. I mean how hard can it be to just set it to fuel and tyres, the way it was in Forza 6 and the way the lobby was initially described in game
If I’m honest, this list is better than GTS track list. Although it might be the American in me. COTA is a good track, just get the better physics and you’ll enjoy it Yas Marina: It has great racing for GT3, just F1 isn’t it Homestead: I got nothing but at least another layout🤣 Rio: now THAT track is DISGUSTING. Maple Leaf: Also DISGUSTING Dubai: Meh
I know you don't like Tilke tracks. But I really like COTA. Its a mix of everything and requires full attention for the entire race. But it has a rhythm and flow that can be rewarding. Totally agree on every other track. And for the exact same reasons. Also, 2 things. 1, can we please limit the number of layouts? Seriously, we only need two or three layouts. Full, mid and short. Additionally, make the track selections match the divisions. Mini coopers on Nordschleiffe, and Formula 1 cars on long beach mini, is ridiculous. 2, please, please, please! Release track packs instead of car packs. I really dont want to buy another 7 car pack where I may only drive 1 of the cars. And even then only rarely. At least tracks will get used and hold some value. Car packs are just dumb.
Dubai normal? Hot garbage. Dubai reverse? Actually quite enjoyable. Swapping the ugly tight hillclimb for a fast flowing uphill section, the downhill is all about momentum, starting off slow and building up as you make your way down to the start. The sandy bit can do one though, someone get out a broom and remove that silly sand drift over the road.
I agree with this...I don't know why Forza has to follow these dumb patterns of making tracks. Constant elevation change, wide track, bad camber, jumps, bumps. I mean is this Horizon or what?
In the ideal world, we should struggle to tell if a fantasy track is real or not, right now you can spot it a mile off and you’re absolutely right that they seem to all follow a formula. Sunset Peninsula is a good example of one done right, it looked and felt like a legit oval infield track.
I really like rio but maybe they could smooth it out a bit, top gear is trash and shouldn’t be in the next forza along with all the really short versions of most tracks. Anything with less then 7 corners or takes under 30 seconds in say S just shouldn’t be in the game. All I want in public lobbies is 5-8 laps (depending on track length) of full circuit or variation, none of this 10 laps on tiny tracks that are basically a square crap
For me, the vir is definitely the worst track, but I also hate all the tracks you mentioned in this video. I just wish that players will be able to choose tracks on their own in fm8
3:38 And that's why you should drive a truck (bakkie) ... both in game and on SA's roads. Because you may go beyond just removing loose teeth, you're likely to loosen all the good teeth as well.
@@livirus3826 for me personally, the long track is just boring and is probably meant for drifting more than racing. The shorter tracks are much better but they have too many weird dips, bumps and curbs that are a meter high.
@@livirus3826 Yes. The elevation changes aren't the reason though. Some of the apexes have bumps in them that will send your car flying into a wall or sand. Things like that. Even the tunnel entry on both sides is super annoying.
@@merginator oh gosh, I hate those types of bumps. I've been playing mostly FH4 this past year and there's one track next to Bamburgh castle that has at least one apex that you basically can't hit because there's a massive bump in it that will either spin your car out instantly, or send it flying the other direction. I know Horizon's physics are kinda wonky, but come on!
Gott say.. I agree with the tracklist, not in that order particularly buy.. Yea. Rio was good in fm1, in 7 its.. 😬.. Same for maple, I loved that in fm3. Off topic but, the blue mountains raceway.. Now there's a forza fantasy track that was good fun and no one remembers.
Some choices I agree with. COTA is just for modern F1 cars and even then kinda sucks and shouldn't be in Forza. Yas Marina shouldn't be in Forza because of the absurd levels of runoff area. (Good fun in single player races though) Homestead is one of those tracks where I wish it was still in, but some of the layouts were not. Rio I'm a bit conflicted on. Great to drive, horrible for racing. Maple Valley isn't my favourite track, not even from the old Forza games, but I'm still glad it's here. It proves Turn10 knows and cares somewhat about their past. TopGear is again, great to drive, horrible for racing. Dubai is basically the same story as Rio. Great to drive, horrible for racing. It is however useful for hillclimb tournaments and stuff like that. Hell, it's one of Forza's only tracks where you can somewhat do soapbox racing.
Circuit america is just awful and so is rio. The top gear tracks also need to go from multiplayer and so does daytona. For me dubai is fun and is fun to race on and now that I know how to tune a lot better the elevation changes aren't an issue anymore and my dodge viper can be useful in class B on that track. Edit: Homestead oval needs to go as well, they are boring af and the super mini is also terrible even in lower classes. Also agree with maple valley.
No doubt this’ll be one that everyone has different opinions on, you know because of subjectivity, so gimme your bottom 5 tracks, if there are 5 that you hate. Also, I never played the original Forza so if that had any stinkers, which were they?
I find something to enjoy and nitpick on all tracks... I don't hate any track But there are circumstances that make me temporarily hate the experience...
I played Forza 5 non stop.. Missed 6 and got into 7 late.. VIR was hard and also Dubai. COTA feels weird and was hard to learn. YAS I've never fully loved and its rife for dirty racing. Never liked Monza ever. Homesteads are boring. Rio is gnarly bumpy and way too narrow. Yuk.
But Maple Valley I adore first time as wasn't in 5. My favourite is Nordschleife 4m48s Best.
I don't mind the full layout of dubai but can't stand the short layout
I have never really played the Forza series, maybe 2 or 3 times (for motorsport) but even from F1 2020 I can tell you that circuit of the americas is RUBBISH!
I hate Rio because you can't overtake in most places, those damn bumps everywhere and it is a ramming fiesta.
Top gear is bad because it's completely boring.
Don't like some virginia layout with those stupid blind left-righ-left turns with walls everywhere you have to take at 1mph.
The best is the one and only nurburgring complete track.
I love Dubai when the lobby is full of corner cutters because they leave or spectate.
dumbai ; Cant Stand Americas ; No Marina ; Homesick ; Rethink Janero ; Pop Tears
I actually really love Rio, but that could just be the forza 6 nostalgia talking
It's the menu music ;)
I like Rio too, I just wish it was less bumpy and didn't have the tyres along the outside walls.
#engagementgang maple valley for me is a drift track.
Dubai Mountain layout too, wonder if they've figured out it wasn't a good enough apology for still not giving us drifters Fujimi back
Good old days of forza 2 & 3 drifting around maple valley with the ings rx7 and abflug supra
Gonna have to disagree on Homestead. As a big oval racing fan, I really love the nature of the Oval. And the road course is pretty good to. Sure it's a challenge but that's what makes it fun. I will say the Alt layouts are a bit dumb, but to me there's a bit of a novelty to racing on these weird circuits.
Although I will fully agree on yeeting Dubai for the next game. I never really played it in online lobby's, but even in single player I began to dread this track after a few times. #engagementgang
When I was a mere youngun and played FM4 for the first time, for some reason my favorite track was Maple Valley.
...to this day I have no idea why.
Nowadays my favorite is probably Prague.
Prague is very nice
If Dubai didn't make number one I think we'd all have serious questions. #engagementgang #notificationgang
I almost fully agree with this list. The only one I’m not sure about is COTA, but in saying that it is perfect for the corner cutters and rammers out there, who seem to be out in forces right now. In saying that, on it’s own I think it’s quite a good track to drive. Still, there are so many other tracks I’d love to see over these and hopefully even some really good fantasy tracks in future. As for real life tracks I’d love to see, places like Kyalami would be brilliant, I also have a real soft spot for Twin Ring Motegi so that would be nice, and you could even have your oval with that if the devs felt like another oval was needed for some reason. Past those, maybe even some of the F1 circuits past and present which could produce some great racing. Sepang would be amazing, although very far fetched I imagine. Oh and one last track which I certainly couldn’t forget, give us Interlagos please. With an honourable mention for magny cours as well because I love that track even though I highly doubt we’d ever see it!
Rio has Grown on me. If you set up the car correctly, it can be fun!
Of curse nobody is surprised that Yas Marina and Red Yas Marina are on this list.
I got a racing wheel for Assetto Corsa Competizione and tried playing Forza 7 with the wheel. It doesn't take much to turn the wheel and be at full lock. Adjusting the settings doesn't help either. So I virtually stop playing it all together and focus on Assetto Corsa Competizione.
Same here. I got a G920 back in late 2017 and FM7 has really only been useful as a timewaster for when I want to race without effort, and it's still boring.
Not to mention just how horrendously unoptimized the Forzatech Engine is for wheel use. I get lift-off oversteer in practically every corner and trail braking is impossible.
@@ianmacdonald8585 I started to take racing more seriously with Forza Motorsport 7 and ended up expanding into Assetto Corsa Competizione. I was never the fastest on Forza Motorsport 7 to begin with however it is harder than it needs to be play with the wheel on Forza Motorsport 7
I actually enjoy Rio de Janeiro, and I understand your point, although I think it's a different problem. The fact that the track Is bumpy, tight and very demanding means that there is no room for mistake, and I really appreciate these sort of tracks, because they are out of the ordinary. (In fact I can recall many occasions where I had good racing there) The problem is when you put it in an online lobby most of the time it's just absolute chaos.
I actually really enjoy Rio, but only in lower PI races. Anything B-Class or lower it is really fun, But the bumpiness of the track that I enjoy in slower races becomes a bit too much in anything higher then A-Class.
I actually really like Homestead, but only the Road Course (especially the one using oval Turns 3/4 and the oval itself). The Mini tracks or whatever they're called can go straight into the bin. Add those small Patriot versions of VIR in said bin as well. I still really like the normal VIR track.
VIR Patriot has a special place reserved in hell
@@JustDevon Hell yeah ! The only funny thing on this track is to see people on the grass or the walls everywhere :D
@@JustDevon what's with all the VIR hate?
@@kbbl102.5 Yeah I did 50 laps w/ 24 cars in d class, good fun, on FM6 though
Homestead (and IMS) are great tracks, specially the oval, however Forza really need to tweak the way oval racing works to make doing a 50 lap race in an Indycar around Indy an enjoyable experience.
I recall I once did an offline race in a pack of 24 Indy Cars at IMS. I set the race to 20-something laps, unusually long for me (outside of NASCAR).
I made it through the first corner, then ended up pile-driving a bot who had spun out. What confused me was that the other AI started checking up without warning. I watched the replay and figured it out. You know how most drivers will hit the brakes when they see smoke? Well, Forza 7, for "optimization" reasons (I guess?), smoke disappears very quickly, like within a second.
Essentially, the bots could see smoke (and the spinning car), but I had no way to see it. So I pile-drove into the rear of three other cars. That pissed me off. Smoke is an important indicator that something has gone wrong; I'm not going to expect the bots to jam the brakes on a straightaway without reason.
Come to think of it, I haven't played Forza since that day...huh...
Most of the street circuits apart from long beach are my least favorite. At least for online racing. I can tolerate COTA and Yas Marina. Maple valley is fine for hot lapping but like you said, for online, not so much. And at this point I'd prefer they just get rid of the top gear test track.
Do this with Gran Turismo including past games that doesn't have tracks in Sport.
Just drove Assetto Corsa today after months driving ACC and having driven FM7 for the two years prior. My life is a lie I can't believe I ever wasted time on FM7 now😂
yeah dude you should try autombolista 2 as well
I love COTA everyone tells me it’s shit 😂😂😂
Hey I love cota too mate, had some amazing races and overtakes over the years
I think if they remove all the awful fictional tracks the game would be so much better
Dubai Mountain Circuit was good tho. A lot of great corners for drifting.
I think instead of removing these tracks they should indefinitely add a penalty system
Exactly !
Maple Valley will always be a drift track, that's all I ever remember doing on it ever since Forza 4 #engagementgang
If they could leave Dubai out of Earth 2.0 that would be just great too.
COTA and Yas would have a better reputation if T10 implemented sticky grass/ pavement instead of weirdly placed tyre walls. I can understand that in a hot lapping setting both the tracks can be dull, and in a pub lobby the racing gets overshadowed by cutters. But both of these track actually provide extremely good/ close races with skilled players in similarly matched equipment.
Just a different perspective.
The fantasy tracks in Forza are both try hard and amateurish compared to the excellent GT sport efforts
Absolutely
I think Tilkedromes get more hate then they deserve....
Many of them provide really good racing in reality (apart from F1) and are quite nice to drive in the games. I agree on the enormous runoffs, they don´t punish mistakes. Which sucks in games but save lives and damages in reality, so I understand the use of them.
What kills Tilke as a track designer is the fact that there are no other track designers used for the big new circuits. He has his style which is fine and it wouldn´t be so bad if there were 3 or 4 designers with their individual styles. Every "new" circuit feels similar because he designed it his way.
I don’t hate VIR, I hate everyone who races it and bombs turn 1
I personally like Rio, but very rarely would I run the full circuit. The coastal or mini circuit I thing makes for fun racing, where as the mountain loop is fun for drifting.
The homestead speedway alt and super mini layouts don’t exist IRL. I don’t know why they put the speedway alt layout in but I find the super mini circuit to be a fantastic testing track. It’s 2 long straights, a hairpin, and a double apex turn. It’s good to test handling and not much else IMO. Same for the Long Beach short layout, that would be good only if Forza had karts.
Forza suffers from serious bloat when it comes to alt layouts and there is also very little in the way of filtering. GT3 endurance (and other fast classes) should NEVER have to race on short layouts, certain alt layouts (Suzuka alt for instance) are there just to fill up space. Sonoma and VIR make the game a literal guessing game as you don't know what variant you're on until it (literally) hits you in the face.
Also I'm happy to see that I'm not the only one that thinks that Forza's fictional tracks are really not that good.
Oh yea and another thing you forgot about Rio is how dark that tunnel is, those lights are so dim that they may as well be off.
Should absolutely be full tracks only for GT lobbies, and even then there are a bunch of layouts that really ought to not be in rotation for multiplayer. It’s such an easy fix, but they just can’t seem to be bothered to do it.
Oh man I'd love to see you try to fix Dubai. It's just a boring track with some really bad features. There's one line through the track with almost no margin for error and each mistake or deviation costs several tenths, if not more.
COTA looks like it should be fun but is just boring. Most turns on Yas are a chore. But how dare you consider VIR--it's one of the best tracks in the game, ribbons and all that notwithstanding. It gets a bad rep because it's hard and most folks don't know it too well. Also because between all the alternate layouts and night/rain options it has like 27 times the chance of being selected as an environment over Laguna Seca with it's single layout/time of day/weather. But the standard layout is almost like a fantasy track (not a T10 fantasy track mind you), but real, with how all the turns and elevation changes are laid out. And it's quite a balanced track to boot.
Forgot to mention my bottom 5 would be very similar. But I really dislike Hockenheim and I would be very tempted to include it. It's kind of a cluster for racing in Forza, and it feels like a chore to hotlap.
Actually the worst tracks in Forza's history would be the "Snake Test Tracks" from Forza 2.
I actually really enjoy Maple Valley. Maybe because I've just gotten good at it. And I don't think Dubai is THAT bad but the walls drive me crazy. COTA is also a corner cutters dream. You can cut like 4 seconds on the West route by ignoring track limits on the S's into the double chicane. Also the pit entry is a nightmare
Great call on Dubai as # 1, plus Circuit of the Americas. The Rio track isn't horrible, but the reverse from what you showed is THE WORST when coming down the hill and you hit the curbs on the right in the braking zone.
I agree with all besides COTA idk why but I love COTA guess it's because I love the hell outta sonoma and it gives me those vibes or that I want like texas speedway or charlotte motor speedway in the next forza game instead of homestead because both of those ovals have nice rovals and ain't like homestead but I agree with all the other tracks
A lot of the Tilkedromes depend on who you are racing against. I’ve had great races in the likes of COTA and Abu Dhabi but only when the lobby isn’t filled with rammers and cutters.
Yeah they’re designed to provide overtaking opportunities, so they can definitely make for good racing, but for me it could be done in a more natural feeling way
Controversial opinion. I like Yas Marina. Only for time trials but I still like it
5 and 4 that low for Tilkerdromes is an insult, put them up more
Prague is the only fantasy track that I like. It is fast, with winding turns and overall fun.
Some of the tracks from previous FM games I would like to see on FM8
In my opinion, the dubai mountain circuit is infact one of the worst tracks in forza. But in my experience, the shorter layouts that don't include the mountain section, can provide some good racing.
Agree with most except for Long Beach cant stand it but am here relaxing having a beer Chelsea just won CL so just chilling now back to my beer
Am I the only one that thinks Maple Valley is one of the best racetracks in the franchise?
COTA is the worst multiplayer map imo due to the sheer amount of votes it gets combined with the cutters wet dream. yas is unplayable as well despite being a decent track. also, homestead alt should not be a multiplayer lobby but I strongly believe it is actually a tuner’s track that is almost necissary for dialing in ARB ratios. also i seriously dislike any alps variant since it exaggerates class imbalances.
Unpopular opinion: Yas Marina is awesome, but only in full layout and with similar cars such as V8 Supercars, BTCC, or GT3/E.
F1 is too quick for the track, and the track's side-by-side potential is wasted because of that.
Side note- Piss VIR right off, except for North and Full.
We're putting you down as a "maybe" for joining the Hermann Tilke fan club.
Leaning towards a yes
Oh yea, one thing I heavily dislike about dubai though even though I really like the track is that the only way to pass people since drafting doesn't exist, is if your car is faster than theirs on the straight otherwise you aren't passing anyone.
I'm so glad you put COTA first, one of THE worst tracks in the world!
For some of the gems in N/A it really does have some of the worst as well!
They should really consider bulldozing that top gear track.
It's to look at the fantasy tracks of the xbox one era of Forza Motorsport and realize how out of touch with Motorport these games were. Fantasy street circuit at prague instead of Brno which is a real circuit in Czech republic, fantasy track street circuit at rio instead of Interlagos, fantasy street circuit at Dubai, instead of Dubai Autodrome, and they wasted time travelling to these places to record data and make more realistic tracks, which caused this tracks to be mediocre at best for actual racing. I really hope the focus on scanning real tracks on the next gen especially real tracks outside of the US.
COTA isnt represented well in the game. It's so much more fun to drive in person
I feel most tracks are like that but cota especially since the elevation changes are insane and you probably feel the compression in some corners
I see Tilke, I see boredom.
you should do the best tracks in motorsport ,or did you already
Don’t think I have, so I might as well
That will be a good one. Probably not my overall fav but right up the sharp end would have to be Camino Viejo de Montserrat EXTREME layout from FM4. Not ideal for online but a great Hot lap track to test every aspect of a car
@@elusivevii653 Great shout, extreme was such a thrill to test drive circuit builds or time attack-style driving. Le mans(mulsane version I believe), Sebring, Tsukuba and Bernise Alps few other honourable mentions
@@kevinu6004
Extreme was my go to for an all round test on a car. It has everything. Sweeping fast corners, sharp slow corners, a long back straight with a chicane, long corners with tightening apexs, elevation changes both straight and in corners and that "Hill Climb Esque switchback section was amazing for tuning out understeer/oversteer.
Admitedly, I was never a fan of bernese alps unless it was lower class for those flat out "momentum is key" races. But otherwise totally agree.
I adore tsukuba, a car down on power can win there, if it has great brakes, sharp turn in and good on power traction.
Le Mans O.M I found good for nailing your gear ratios, I use this track to work out my final drive and final gear ratio maximums and then can gear a car to a circuit based of that.
Did you like FM3s rally di postiano? I found this a great way to tune out imperfections in cars.
I wouldn't dream of spending the time on modern FM that I did on 3 and 4 on tuning cars though 😂
In regards to Yas Marina, I recall recently seeing a video from a certain prominent streamer/shed boi saying "fuckin Herman Tilke bullshit, squibbly-ass track design."
I dont want them to remove any..sure there are some that are more liked than others but personally I think they all present a very different challenge and we need to see all the tracks from at least most games come back to one game. I want all the tracks in one game but that's not gonna happen.
I love Dubai and you are an unsavoury thing.
Okay, I don't LOVE Dubai, but I do really enjoy the mountain layout when you do the hairpins downhill, that actually flows well. Rest of it I agree is naff though.
And I'm glad someone shares my opinion of Maple Valley being overrated. For most people it's probably just nostalgia and "Forza fantasy tracks were better when I was young" kind of thinking.
COTA: agree
Yas Marina: disagree (ok with drivers who can behave themselves)
Homestead: disagree (super-mini and speedway alt suck, but the rest are good)
Rio: agree (Coast Loop would be perfect if they axed the chicane, but they should've just brought back the original)
Maple Valley: disagree, but you make a good point (full reverse does suck though)
Prague: reverse layouts (just, no)
Top Gear: agree
Dubai: agree (City Circuit Alt is ok, would be better if they'd clean that one turn)
Personal worst tracks (no circuits as a whole, just certain layouts)
VIR: everything but full and North suck
Bernese Alps: a favorite since its inception, but Stadtplatz and Club do not work in their reverse iterations
Daytona: Short/Moto (did it really have to be included?)
Indy: GP (much prefer the classic version)
Lime Rock: South Chicane and Full alt
Long Beach: West Route (would prefer to have an East route alt using the Formula e chicane)
Road America: anything that isn't the full route (especially the moto chicane layouts)
Sebring: Club (would remove from list if it's pit was utilized and start/finish is relocated to it)
Silverstone: GP and International (the first unlikely to be going anywhere, but Abbey was far more enjoyable as a chicane than a sweeper, the arena section sucks, and RIP Bridge corner)
Suzuki: Full alt and both West layout (stop including the damn moto layouts)
VIR: anything that isn't the full or North layouts
#engagementgang
Unfortunately Forza lost a lot of to its competitors.
There is no new content, a proposal for leveling drivers, penalties, really relevant cars (GT3 and GT4).
Definitely joined the group of arcade games.
Forza 8 will must to be a completely different game if it want to bring back those who have already abandoned the game.
Great channel Devon. Success!
Greetings from Brazil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Totally agree. There is no simcade on Xbox to compete with GT Sport. Forza has gone right the way down the simcade scale and is now full on arcade. Motorsport should not even be in the title. 100's of cars, 99% of them sh*t ( well maybe 99% is a bit hyperbolic, but this is a rant so hyperbole is to be expected :-p ). No rankings, no matchmaking, no serious racing at all. Such a big community, but if they don't get 8 right and actually deliver a "Motorsport" game with race cars, rankings, penalties, and competitions to nurture and grow the community then more will switch Playstation and Forza as a brand will be forever known as 100% arcade.
Tracks that I like = All of them and IMO the ones you don't like take the most skill.
I honestly like Dubai but hey that's just your opinion you do you
I agree with the start of this list, circuit of the Americas I despise, Marina I don't even want to talk about, but personally I like Rio and Dubai, Ill give a reason why.
Yes its bumpy and throw a full lobby into it it can be pretty chaotic but I find when im in a good lobby of clean racers its quite enjoyable, I feel like the un-evenness of the road adds to the track rather takes away from it, its another challenge that most other tracks in Forza don't have and it makes myself really think about how fast I can go into the turns. don't get triggered by this im not trying to be nasty but I think that most people that complain about the bumps on Rio are just bad drivers, or maybe they just need more experience and someone to coach them through it.
As for Dubai, sometimes it'll come up in the lobby and I wont feel like playing it, sometimes it can be redundant, but I like the options in short courses it has and most times I enjoy playing the shorter courses more. However, like how Rio is bumpy Dubai has quite a few off-cambered corners up in the tight mountain sections which not a lot of other tracks have and I feel like this adds to it rather then takes away. Again I say this not to be nasty but most players probably don't like this track because they are bad drivers, or maybe they just need more experience and someone to coach them through it, but I will also admit of coming un-stuck in the downhill section of the track more times then I can count
Liked before I even watched
This will be good
Edit : agree with you on this, my only difference of opinion is I like Yas Marina but with all the corner cuts and extensions it needs proper track limits. Just keep it in the game for hotlapping but like TopGear keep it out the online lobbies
The Dubai City and City Alt tracks are criminally underrated but the mountain section can get IN THE BIN.
Maple Valley is only good as the full track and in reverse, the normal direction and short tracks can get IN THE BIN
Tracks I never use:
Dubai
Prague
Maple Valley
Swiss Alps
*because they’re fake and feel it.
I think that dubai sucks as a race track, but honestly I quite enjoy it for drifting
Its corners are just perfect for drifting honestly.
I don't care what game its in, I hate Silverstone. No elevation changes so many corners are just marked by cones, and it's always ugly and grey and often raining.
I usually like tracks I'm good at and hate the tracks I'm shit. COTA's racing line feels just weird to me and I can't get it right. VIR is awful because of the 20 layouts/rain/night and the ability of people bumping you off track easily. I also don't like any version of Homestead and it comes so often on multiplayer lobbies which is frustrating.
About the comparison with MW3's Downturn at 5:16, you're spot on. I've played COD for many years and can say that map was pure and completely trash.
I love Le Mans but I’m not good at it. And yeah Downturn was literally just a map made of rubble
My list:
1-Dubai
2-Praga
3-Mont Pikes
4-Maple Valle
5-virginia
Personally I think all Forza custom tracks should be completely scrapped from the game and more real tracks should be added, this is one of the reasons I stopped playing FM7 and started playing Project Cars 2 because the track selection is actually more fun and interesting on there. The next Forza Motorsport title really needs to do a lot in terms of track selection and racing for me to enjoy it and please add tracks like Oulton Park, Red Bull Ring and Donnington to name a few. #engagementgang
Omg finally someone with as much hate for that dubai track, I cannot for the love of god get the power down on the uphill turns it’s alllways making me lay rubber down
And I’m not that poopy, it’s either you don’t apply power enough or you spin your tires.
Dubai and Alps are just terrible. They've had great fictional tracks over the years but prioritizing people who take pictures in a MOTORSPORT game is ridiculous. Maple Valley, Sunset Peninsula, Fuji Kaido. Now that they can rest their "game for car people" hands on Horizon, I hope that FM8 is a game for racing people. I wont' hold my breath though. T10 works for moneysoft after all.
Honestly, I like Dubai. Not because of the track, but because it's an idiot hotspot.
I quite like Cota...in other games. For some reason Forza's Cota just doesn't sit right. In other games it tends to be quite nice to drive and u get into a rhythm. In forza it just seems like you never settle in. Maybe its the curbs or Forza's handling in general, but it just feels off.
Omg... Let me create my own tracks, opponents and series... Screw the same old tracks that are in every game. Let me download tracks from the community and race against my own garage cars with all custom paint schemes or whatever I want.. Do a video on how great that would be.
Rio is the only one I disagree with. I get why a lot of people don't like it, but personally I absolutely love it. It's the only track I've ever beat JSR LeeCampbell on!
I only race in the gt hopper nowadays so I don't have to deal with Dubai anymore. But I have grown to really hate Maple and the Americas, also Prauge has become a track I usually spectate or just find a new lobby when it pops up. Why these tracks are in the rotation when Laguna Seca and the Nordschleife aren't is beyond me... Do turn 10 seriously think people would rather race GT cars round Maple Valley short, in the rain, over Laguna Seca?!
I think it’s more a problem of apathy on their behalf than not knowing what people want to do. It wouldn’t take long at all to change the rotation so it only has full tracks, but they can’t be arsed to do it.
An early example of this is when they first had the GT lobby, it had sim damage instead of fuel and tyres and when told about it, they just turned damage off altogether and then turned it back to sim damage and left it there. I mean how hard can it be to just set it to fuel and tyres, the way it was in Forza 6 and the way the lobby was initially described in game
If I’m honest, this list is better than GTS track list.
Although it might be the American in me.
COTA is a good track, just get the better physics and you’ll enjoy it
Yas Marina: It has great racing for GT3, just F1 isn’t it
Homestead: I got nothing but at least another layout🤣
Rio: now THAT track is DISGUSTING.
Maple Leaf: Also DISGUSTING
Dubai: Meh
Re: the top gear track
Are you sure Forza takes itself serious?
South Africa has more potholes than craters on the moon!
I want to see Tsukuba next game!!!
I agree with COTAs and Dubai, both tracks are bad to put it politely.
I know you don't like Tilke tracks. But I really like COTA. Its a mix of everything and requires full attention for the entire race. But it has a rhythm and flow that can be rewarding.
Totally agree on every other track. And for the exact same reasons. Also, 2 things. 1, can we please limit the number of layouts? Seriously, we only need two or three layouts. Full, mid and short. Additionally, make the track selections match the divisions. Mini coopers on Nordschleiffe, and Formula 1 cars on long beach mini, is ridiculous.
2, please, please, please! Release track packs instead of car packs. I really dont want to buy another 7 car pack where I may only drive 1 of the cars. And even then only rarely. At least tracks will get used and hold some value. Car packs are just dumb.
Dubai normal? Hot garbage. Dubai reverse? Actually quite enjoyable. Swapping the ugly tight hillclimb for a fast flowing uphill section, the downhill is all about momentum, starting off slow and building up as you make your way down to the start. The sandy bit can do one though, someone get out a broom and remove that silly sand drift over the road.
I agree with this...I don't know why Forza has to follow these dumb patterns of making tracks. Constant elevation change, wide track, bad camber, jumps, bumps. I mean is this Horizon or what?
In the ideal world, we should struggle to tell if a fantasy track is real or not, right now you can spot it a mile off and you’re absolutely right that they seem to all follow a formula. Sunset Peninsula is a good example of one done right, it looked and felt like a legit oval infield track.
I really like rio but maybe they could smooth it out a bit, top gear is trash and shouldn’t be in the next forza along with all the really short versions of most tracks. Anything with less then 7 corners or takes under 30 seconds in say S just shouldn’t be in the game.
All I want in public lobbies is 5-8 laps (depending on track length) of full circuit or variation, none of this 10 laps on tiny tracks that are basically a square crap
3:40 its true to, South Africas roads are not in the best condition
Not sure how the licenses would go but they seriously need to get rid of Rio in place for interlagos or just nothing in its place it’s that bad
Interlagos is great!
For me, the vir is definitely the worst track, but I also hate all the tracks you mentioned in this video. I just wish that players will be able to choose tracks on their own in fm8
3:38 And that's why you should drive a truck (bakkie) ... both in game and on SA's roads. Because you may go beyond just removing loose teeth, you're likely to loosen all the good teeth as well.
I don’t drive close enough to people’s back bumpers to own a bakkie 👀
@@JustDevon Awesome ... that really made me laugh!
I agree Downturn was such shit.
I can’t believe you referenced that!
Fully agree with #1. Even the shorter tracks are ass.
why's it so bad, though? I'm not very knowledgeable on what makes a good racetrack and haven't played any Motorsport game in a long time
@@livirus3826 for me personally, the long track is just boring and is probably meant for drifting more than racing. The shorter tracks are much better but they have too many weird dips, bumps and curbs that are a meter high.
@@merginator ah, I see. So it's the constant elevation changes for most layouts then? I can see why that's annoying
@@livirus3826 Yes. The elevation changes aren't the reason though. Some of the apexes have bumps in them that will send your car flying into a wall or sand. Things like that. Even the tunnel entry on both sides is super annoying.
@@merginator oh gosh, I hate those types of bumps. I've been playing mostly FH4 this past year and there's one track next to Bamburgh castle that has at least one apex that you basically can't hit because there's a massive bump in it that will either spin your car out instantly, or send it flying the other direction. I know Horizon's physics are kinda wonky, but come on!
Gott say.. I agree with the tracklist, not in that order particularly buy.. Yea. Rio was good in fm1, in 7 its.. 😬.. Same for maple, I loved that in fm3. Off topic but, the blue mountains raceway.. Now there's a forza fantasy track that was good fun and no one remembers.
This list is my spirit animal. To hell with COTA #HOTGARBAGE! #engagementgang
Some choices I agree with. COTA is just for modern F1 cars and even then kinda sucks and shouldn't be in Forza. Yas Marina shouldn't be in Forza because of the absurd levels of runoff area. (Good fun in single player races though) Homestead is one of those tracks where I wish it was still in, but some of the layouts were not. Rio I'm a bit conflicted on. Great to drive, horrible for racing. Maple Valley isn't my favourite track, not even from the old Forza games, but I'm still glad it's here. It proves Turn10 knows and cares somewhat about their past. TopGear is again, great to drive, horrible for racing. Dubai is basically the same story as Rio. Great to drive, horrible for racing. It is however useful for hillclimb tournaments and stuff like that. Hell, it's one of Forza's only tracks where you can somewhat do soapbox racing.
I really dont understand why you hate COTA
Dubai, Yas Marina, and COTA
Circuit america is just awful and so is rio. The top gear tracks also need to go from multiplayer and so does daytona.
For me dubai is fun and is fun to race on and now that I know how to tune a lot better the elevation changes aren't an issue anymore and my dodge viper can be useful in class B on that track.
Edit: Homestead oval needs to go as well, they are boring af and the super mini is also terrible even in lower classes. Also agree with maple valley.
To be fair rio is perfect for time attack