Had intense anxiety and panic attacks for a while. Decide I was going to meditate for at least 10 minutes everyday for a year and by 5 months they were both gone. Putting it out there because it might help someone else (Edit): Also exercising and lifting heavy weight brought me to an entirely new level.
Yeah, I found it pretty helpful too. I kind of get terrified about conflict too, and I found progressive desensitization useful too. Get in the habit of doing something mildly uncomfortable and work your way up.
I think the reason why meditation works against anxiety/panic is because you face it and feel it directly instead of distracting yourself. This is also what you do in a similar way in therapy with exposure therapy, which is by the way proven to be highly effective against anxiety. Don't trick yourself and try to treat it on your own though. Seek therapy, it is way more effective than anything you can do on your own, because that shit is field tested
Their chemistry works... unlike those other podcasts where Theos the guest and his lines go right over their heads... not here... they're awesome running off eachother naturally. Gang Gang
If you were able to think your way out of it you didn't have depression in the first place you just happened to have a depressed moment there is a difference, so if it hasn't happened yet for you now you know.
@@liamc7097 that's where I'm at with Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. I think it's a waste of time and energy sometimes, even though I know it'll be helpful to a degree, it won't fix things, but give me a leg up. For a regular person, they'd still consider the work I've done just to get to the point of normal, still nothing significant, but It takes a lot of energy and will power.
i have suffered from depression for 20 plus years, i went through my life savings and my 401k to pay for a therapist cuz my insurance would never cover it, as soon as the money dried up nobody wanted to see me, anyways i appreciate the time you took the post this, be well.
Shrinks are crooks. It’s so shitty everyone just suggests “getting help” but nobody is ready to actually help. The people the worst off can’t afford therapy so like the more you can access it the less you need it. So stupid.
Have you had your genetics tested like through an ancestry site? If so, you can get the raw data and see if you have the MTHFR mutation. A lot of us have it and don't know it. It causes methylation issues which can cause depression, anxiety and other psychiatric conditions and it's a simple matter of supplementing the right thing for your genetics. Trust me, it's solid science - look it up.
Therapy isn’t helpful whatsoever for someone with severe depression and more helpful to someone who’s depression is manageable, It’s like trying to fix a leakage out of bottle by blowing at it, It might feel like it does something but it actually does fuck all.
I became a vampire in 1763 and felt terrible for over 150 years. It wasn't until I tried electromagnetic therapy cranial sessions that I realized I had been depressed and it was not due to my experiences in the first world war or a lack of sunlight.
First time I saw Neal was his 3 Mics special on Netflix, liked that dude immediately. Just real relatable, down to earth, sincere, open, and great sense of humor. Obviously not self serving or full of himself. It's good to hear people acknowledge and talk about their struggles, because sometimes you feel like it's something to be ashamed of if you're depressed, like people might not want to be around you if they knew. Happiness not the easiest thing for everyone, and is not as simple as a choice like so many people promote.
Man. If only we could make Neil “the cheese string” or some equally bad play on “the sting” and we would be good. Just switch Neil for Brenden and we good. Just Theo deserves better then Shaub Killl Shaub
I just realized that Theo is a person who forgot to get his eyebrow pierced. His appearence fits an eyebrow piercer perfectly, but he somehow just forgot.
I have persistent depressive disorder with major depressive episodes, generalized anxiety, and BPD and I’ve failed three SSRIs, one SNRI, and two mood stabilizers. Finally I tried Wellbutrin a few months ago and it has changed my life! It put my body through hell to adjust to it but it was worth it!! Don’t lose hope
I just stopped taking Wellbutrin. I've tried about everything now. First few months I feel better but then they just stop working. I also hate being attached to medications. I don't know what I'm going to do next.. but I feel like things eventually have to get better..
Go out there and take what's yours your life you deserve it everyone deserves it but you got to put in the work I know firsthand I've come a long way from depression it won't be easy but fight ... positive vibes
The uncomfortable truth of "I'll do anything I dont have a wife or kids" even moved in his seat sub-consciously knowing what he ment , call the people you havent spoke to in a while your voice might just be the little tiny small microscopic fiber these people need ❤
Interesting. Been 37 years dealing with this beast. If you care to know. Being happier is transient. Enjoy it. Unfortunately the time in between is our percieved nightmare. Just keep working at it. Know the world needs your gifts.
What a coincidence. Because it's been getting bad again for me after a few years of being good. What's scary is that it's my first time experiencing depression again after getting out of it. I thought I was over it. It took YEARS. Long story why I ended up there but yeah. I need to try something. I just tend to be lazy and procrastinate. If I have a good day then I tell myself "See? I'm good. If I have a bad day or week, it is what it is because I know I can also feel good." but I know deep down it isn't ok and it might gets worse. I smoke weed every night. The way my brain has always been is that it races. I go through thoughts and scenarios in my head all the time. It's why I always feel prepared for almost anything. But at night? Not good. I have troubles sleeping. So almost 3 years ago I started smoking and it was great but recently. I just wish it was legal here in London. Tired of bullshit even though I stick to one guy I trust. My point is I gotta try something like Neal. I can't keep going like this or else it'll get real bad and once I back in that dark place for real, I won't be able to help myself. And I don't have any family here. I moved here alone. So yeah. I gotta do something because I'm holding myself back from my dreams which I honestly feel are so close, BARELY out of reach. I believe in myself and my talents but I sabotage myself basically. Anyways, sorry for the long chapter. About to smoke to go back to sleep. 3:20am. But I had to watch some Theo Von and have some laughs. Have a great night/day everyone. GANG GANG!!!!
Gang, dude. I felt all of that. Depression hits everyone different but we suffer nonetheless. I wish weed were legal where you are, too! I'm in California and altho I've stepped back from using it, it's nice to know it's there. But....in the meantime, I'm sending you a little prayer. That when the world feels the most dark, Something will come in and spark up your insides again. The littlest things can be our biggest help. 🌻
Hey man, like they said above, let us know you’re doing okay and give us an update! You’re cared about man, and definitely not alone. I saw a few of your words that stuck out as my experience as well and had to comment and let you know how important you are and how brave you are, sharing your story. Proud of you. Keep going man. You got this. Smoke one and think of us, thinking of you. We’re all in this together brother.
Gang bro! I feel u. I've been goin thru it myself... Long, cold valleys. try some sport early evening, running, boxing, jumping.... Become ur own provider of the chemistry u need. We all got different levels. It's not magic but it's been working for me for a while tho... I keep smokin weed but never right before sleeping. My choice. Big up and stay strong. Never alone.
I can so relate. Completely. An abusive controlling 19 years relationship has drained the life out of me and it's like I can't get back to normal again.
The goal isn’t to feel good, but to get good at feeling... Also work (purpose/meaning) + play (enjoyable activities by yourself and with friends) + love (intimacy, social support, and physical connection) = life worth living
I like this dude. I can relate to his philosophy of just trying to feel good more than all the RISE AND GRIND ITS YOUR DAY Joe Rogan type of deal. I just wanna be content and chill out, man. Watch my niece grow up, look at some flowers or some shit you know?
Markus Harlow i feel you! I us to be like that “balls to the wall crush everything in your path” philosophy but now I just wanna kick the soccer ball around with my nephew, drink no more then 3 beers, and just chill and enjoy life on my terms.
Dude I had bad depression after leaving the army, all kinda drug experimentation and lots of alcohol. Well lo and behold these little blue mushrooms made their way into my life and a couple nights in the woods under a full moon and my depression was healed for awhile. So after two or three months it creeps back or slams me, I set my intention, go to the bonfire alone or with a few friends, have the experience which is supernaturally intense sometimes, sometimes scary, sometimes fucking hilarious, and in right as rain brother. Whatever really works for ya! I ain't letting the VA drug me up!
Yeah man just got out myself and am dealing with the same shit. It's been three months and it's better but it takes time. Hope you are still doing good, RLTW! 👊
@@demolition5000 yeah, I guess. If you consider getting aggressive and occasionally attacking people, like your own mother, for getting in the way of anything "working". I didn't give a single fuck about anything.
@@henrikibsen6258 I have severe anxiety and depression. I already know that. I've been told that I'm a perfect fit for borderline personality disorder. I don't like pills though. I don't want to fuck with my brain that much. So I deal.
Did zoloft for 2 weaks, got headaches n messed up my labido. Stopped takin it, moved out of the city, abandoned toxic ppl in my life n I was cured, who knew.
Please read. you tell your mechanic your car is malfunctioning. But you also dont treat it like the manual suggests. You put water in gas tank sometimes, run it only on weekends, haven't check under hood in a year. Your mechanic won't know where to start checking. So onto you. Youre not living your best life. I am a recovering binger of anything that feels good. When you start living rightously you feel more stoic and in the zone. You deserve to feel good. I avoid outside food, started intermittent fasting, no ejaculation. Only if balls hurt, no drinking. Still use caffeine thats the next step. Do what you can. Also learn self empowerment techniques. I love Nietche. The lifes power is in you. Dont search out but in. You are already great. Building yourself like a piece of art takes work and patience.
This does nothing to help me I'm still going to kill myself tonight... Life is definitely not worth living.... All these techniques or whatever don't work on people who are really depressed..... People like me end up dead... We always do
It seems like everyone has depression or some kind of anxiety disorder, which is crazy but I'm happy/sad in a weird way, happy because all people who have this are not alone, damn it our favorite comedians have it and sad just for the incredible amount of people who suffer from this
@@benedekfeher8080 Theo nailed it at 10:05. This wasn't always the case. It's a symptom of the modern life. Unironically, returning to monke solves a lot of these problems. Doing activities necessary for basic survival, doing these things with other people, etc all are a deeply rooted part of the healthy human experience. It keeps us connected, sane, and with purpose. We've just become so distanced to it all.
Haven't even watched this yet, and it's already helping ease my grief. Struggled with depression directly after high school for several years, go over it, eventually found an incredible girl, lived a beautiful 3 years together. But after we had a mutual breakup over different morals, I'm back to 2012. Feeling like shit, no desire to live, and not sure what to do. The only comfort is that i'm just barely giving myself enough to do to keep moving forward. I know that I've done this once before, so I can do it again.
No desire to live and can’t be bothered to kill yourself. It’s a sucky place to be. To me there is nothing wrong with being like this. We are a product of genetics and environment. It’s impossible to change one and hard to change the other. What works one day might not work the next. I have kids. So I just ask myself how would I want my sons to react? Then make an attempt to do that. Give this a try. I also work on Inner Engineering with Sadhguru. It’s not for everyone but it works for me. I understand your feelings brother
When I learned the truth about this world by falling down the rabbit hole, my depression was cured. Most of my depression was caused by confusion and a sense of no purpose. I became fixated on learning truth and knowledge.
I started my rehab rabbit whole of knowledge after I lost my mother last year (55) ... knowledge of the surrounding world def helped calm me ... I totally understand your conment!!
Exercise helps, eating well helps and laughing helps. Many people stay indoors all day, dont communicate, dont exercise and dont eat then they wonder why they feel like shit. Depression for me is an unhappy and unfulfilled body and mind, there is also no given right to be happy. Maybe its a false perception from movies and music videos - aim to be content thats my stance on it- enjoy your coffee and try not to worry about things for too long, dont take life too seriously.
And social media is full of con artists. People trying to prove they are happier then the next person. Its an online video game. You ever see people in public taking those photos. Big fake smile for the selfie then it immediately goes away as they are editing/posting it.
Zoloft gave me all the physical side effects of MDMA with none of the euphoria. I looked like a crack head. My boss pulled me over at work and asked if I was on coke. Had to stop that within 10 days
Fuck! thats the worst feeling when you try to fix the problem and only make it waaay more noticeable and have to finesse your way out of people perceiving you incorrectly
I tried hypnotherapy but bruh was eating a bag of Doritos while doing it and I was like nah this ain’t it. He’s like you’re going into a trance *dorito bag scruffle*
I have bad anxiety and panic attacks since 2000 after my cousin died. You can't control it. My heart will this race a million miles a minute and think of the stupidest things. I was on so many different kinds of medication, and none of them seemed to work they had so many bad side effects like no sex drive can't sleep bad mood
I think the answers are much more simple and much more primal. We live in an unnatural world with unnatural stimulus. Our baseline has been artificially shifted, so whenever we are "at rest", we feel much needier. If you think of human pleasure on a scale of 1 to 10, out in the wild, we will naturally fall on average at a 5. Which is kind of just right. You're not depressed or anxious but you're also not over the moon. You're content. The problem is we have 10s are our fingertips at any moment. Porn. Video games. Social media. Texts. Likes. Alcohol. Drugs. Dating apps. The problem with all of this unnatural stimulus is that it shifts our baseline. When we are constantly reaching for 10s, our "at rest" state is shifted. Your brain compensates for too much pleasure. 5 then becomes a 4. This is when things get dangerous. 10s stop being enough. 10s start feeling like 5s. You find more exotic porn, more violent video games, start changing your behavior to try and get more likes, drink more alcohol, engage in more risky behavior, sleep with more partners. Now your baseline is at a 3. Now you start to question your purpose, start having suicidal/homicidal thoughts, you require medical help to adjust your levels to "normal". I feel like I could write a book about this and I'm sure there is one like it out there but the answer to all of these problems is simple. Not easy, but simple: 1. Workout 2. Eat right 3. Don't use social media 4. Don't watch porn 5. Don't play video games 6. Don't eat sugar 7. Don't drink alcohol 8. Don't do drugs If you do all of those things, and you stick to it, you won't have a longing for more. You'll be in a natural state of balance. You won't need external stimulus to help you not feel depressed. Sure, you'll experience the range of human emotions, but no problem will feel overwhelming. At some point you'll feel complacent. You'll feel like oh I'm ready for those 10s and I'll handle them responsibly now. You won't. It's the pleasure trap.
Well said man i defiently fell victom of chasing that 10 feeling through all my 20s in the last 3 months ive given up all those rushes, social media , alcohol , chasing girls every week, sugar. The only vice I have left now is smoking weed once every few weeks. I feel like im still struggling with every day stress and smoki g once in a blue moon seems to reset me and my nervous system. But in saying that im content now just relaxing in the moment so much more.
That's great to hear, kid! I think it's okay to be stressed. We just don't necessarily need to escape it or create an identity out of it. It's just a part of the human experience and it's okay. We create suffering when we assign judgements to the emotions. When we start telling ourselves negative stories about the negative feelings we have, then we tend to get lost. You're perfect exactly how you are.
The thing is the only way to get out of depression is by actually *loving yourself.* The fact of the matter is that *society* makes it far too difficult for most people to actually **do** that. So what can we actually do? If exercise, finding our passions, and forming a family doesn’t work... then why not give up the ghost?
Anti depressants work differently for each person. So if you get lucky find one that has no side effects, or 1 that has least side effects, incase all suck. just take them to help you get out the tough part. Remember depression is normal, no one is ever depressed free. depression can just overwelm individuals. Dont come dependant and depressed free. side effect is worse depression/suicidal. my personal experience on anti depressants was.. i couldnt get upset or feel down. sombody could slap me and i wouldnt want to fight. now when you need to defend yourself and you dont. that shit is too much
That second growth redwood table drives me nuts. Theo needs an old growth table.Lots of still usable wood on the beaches near the river mouth’s where this wood grows.
Yes 60 -70 hours a week, but its not enough to get ahead. You have to do sode hustles, then wash the dishes, clothes, and clean the house. Take care of your girl who is the one person who is there for you, lay there staring at the cielling thinking about how to be good enough. Its exhausting
I'm glad when I hear TMS works for people I had two bilaterals and one of the bipolar treatments and I ended up with a major face infection that led to me being numb and almost paralyzed on one side and not being able to smell or taste and having to have surgery and having no outcome with it but that's what you get when you sign those papers have yet to find anybody else who had any side effects other than the buzzing and the shocks to go back to get another treatment because they tell you if it doesn't work you don't go back for a treatment
I am now doing Sprovato treatments. It a mid a ketamine derivative in the form of a nasal spray that is administered under medical supervision. It has changed my life! It is not the same as IV ketamine which a lot of people don’t like. Just wanted everyone out there with treatment resistant depression, anxiety and PTSD. It’s like a miracle !
There is no conclusion for depression . Success is a a. A a a a a an available.. But success doesn’t satisfy success. What is success? Restart depression… Blow it all away. What is depression .success??
Theo asking who the Greek guy pushing the ball was and Neal answering without missing a beat, so good.
Yea, thank god the guy wasn't called
syphilis.
I literally read this comment as they said it. Lol
Matt no dick head but usually people have to do mental inventory over esoteric Greek myth references
Matt ha I have rules against arguing with faceless profiles so send me your information so we can discuss further
Matt ?
Had intense anxiety and panic attacks for a while. Decide I was going to meditate for at least 10 minutes everyday for a year and by 5 months they were both gone. Putting it out there because it might help someone else
(Edit): Also exercising and lifting heavy weight brought me to an entirely new level.
Can relate, also had few months of intense panic, started using Sam Harris' Waking Up app and worked wonders for me too.
no you didn't
Yeah, I found it pretty helpful too. I kind of get terrified about conflict too, and I found progressive desensitization useful too. Get in the habit of doing something mildly uncomfortable and work your way up.
I think the reason why meditation works against anxiety/panic is because you face it and feel it directly instead of distracting yourself. This is also what you do in a similar way in therapy with exposure therapy, which is by the way proven to be highly effective against anxiety. Don't trick yourself and try to treat it on your own though. Seek therapy, it is way more effective than anything you can do on your own, because that shit is field tested
No shit? O_O Sounds interesting, I tried meditation ages ago albeit it kinda briefly but am gonna have to get back into it now, thanks!
This dude gets Theo more than any interaction I've seen.
Probably cause there good friends
@@jgray4810 idk about that…. Last time Theo was on Rogan his statements seemed like he didn’t like Neil very much
@@lw3894 what did he say? or cld u link the episode?
@@lw3894 people dont like people who remind them of their negative traits
Need to watch him with normand
Props to you guys for talking about depression. The struggle is real...FR-FR.
Their chemistry works... unlike those other podcasts where Theos the guest and his lines go right over their heads... not here... they're awesome running off eachother naturally. Gang Gang
That's how it should be 🤘
Haha like on JRE
Cause theo just be saying shit
Theo is so ON IT with his responses it.
"You can knit a sweater with your tongue" came out so fast
I hate it😔 Anxiety and mental health has freaking messed up my life....Its about culture , men need to have hobbies but also a reason to live.
yeah man. Just read mans search for meaning which is very interesting.
Stay busy dawg
Definitely
Basically fucked my entire life over midteens, just wish I'd gotten it later (or not at all)
Yep, having hobbies won't make me wake up refreshed and ready to get up in the morning.
I'm convinced that I can think my way out of depression. Hasn't happened yet
If you were able to think your way out of it you didn't have depression in the first place you just happened to have a depressed moment there is a difference, so if it hasn't happened yet for you now you know.
That is one of the symptoms. Thinking over and over about how to work a problem and never coming up with a solution. Get help mate
I think it's possible but incredibly difficult
@@liamc7097 that's where I'm at with Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. I think it's a waste of time and energy sometimes, even though I know it'll be helpful to a degree, it won't fix things, but give me a leg up. For a regular person, they'd still consider the work I've done just to get to the point of normal, still nothing significant, but It takes a lot of energy and will power.
Could you think your way out of diabetes or being a schizophrenic with hallucinations?
Theo- “It was linoleum” Neal- “Of course it was Theo” Theo- looks down in shame
That post-nut shame lmaoooo
😂
Neal is so funny and underrated
What helped me the most with anxiety and depression was lowering the amount of refined carbs I was consuming
i have suffered from depression for 20 plus years, i went through my life savings and my 401k to pay for a therapist cuz my insurance would never cover it, as soon as the money dried up nobody wanted to see me, anyways i appreciate the time you took the post this, be well.
u tried pills?
Shrinks are crooks. It’s so shitty everyone just suggests “getting help” but nobody is ready to actually help. The people the worst off can’t afford therapy so like the more you can access it the less you need it. So stupid.
Have you had your genetics tested like through an ancestry site? If so, you can get the raw data and see if you have the MTHFR mutation. A lot of us have it and don't know it. It causes methylation issues which can cause depression, anxiety and other psychiatric conditions and it's a simple matter of supplementing the right thing for your genetics. Trust me, it's solid science - look it up.
American health care is so fucked up
Therapy isn’t helpful whatsoever for someone with severe depression and more helpful to someone who’s depression is manageable, It’s like trying to fix a leakage out of bottle by blowing at it, It might feel like it does something but it actually does fuck all.
I became a vampire in 1763 and felt terrible for over 150 years. It wasn't until I tried electromagnetic therapy cranial sessions that I realized I had been depressed and it was not due to my experiences in the first world war or a lack of sunlight.
Wtf lol
Stop being a coward and start your own podcast.
Say what
Yeah the 1800’s really took a toll on my social life
You had to come to terms with your death. Being undead is lonely man.
Neil and Theo need their own podcast
I'm currently dealing with some bad depression. Thank you for being so honest guys ❤
I wish you all the best, you got this.
@@gamalsankara1388 Thank you I really appreciate that ❤
A year Later wishing you had Major improvements.
dealing with it One day at a time.
First time I saw Neal was his 3 Mics special on Netflix, liked that dude immediately. Just real relatable, down to earth, sincere, open, and great sense of humor. Obviously not self serving or full of himself. It's good to hear people acknowledge and talk about their struggles, because sometimes you feel like it's something to be ashamed of if you're depressed, like people might not want to be around you if they knew. Happiness not the easiest thing for everyone, and is not as simple as a choice like so many people promote.
Ok imagine a weekly podcast with Theo and Neal.
Fr man. They're a good team
Do we really need another random pairing of comedians podcast?
Nathan Kelm ...I just think Neal would be a great replacement for Schaub. 😌
@@zislec definitely agree with that actually. I'm just getting burnt out from the dozens of different podcasts started by these deathsquad guys
Man. If only we could make Neil “the cheese string” or some equally bad play on “the sting” and we would be good. Just switch Neil for Brenden and we good.
Just Theo deserves better then Shaub
Killl Shaub
This is an excellent causal talk on depression. Appreciate this😊 totally relate
I just realized that Theo is a person who forgot to get his eyebrow pierced. His appearence fits an eyebrow piercer perfectly, but he somehow just forgot.
Tribal tat placement?
Thank god no eye brow piercing. One of the worst ones.
"It WAS linoleum." "Of course it was, Theo."
🤣 Yaaaassss
theo is so closeted
Favorite line of the whole thing lol
Theo got all uncomfortable lmao
shit had me rolling bro
These guys should
Be commended for discussing mental health. So many people simply won’t do it. Two very successful guys who are open and honest.
I have persistent depressive disorder with major depressive episodes, generalized anxiety, and BPD and I’ve failed three SSRIs, one SNRI, and two mood stabilizers. Finally I tried Wellbutrin a few months ago and it has changed my life! It put my body through hell to adjust to it but it was worth it!! Don’t lose hope
Tried em all, none work. Maybe mushrooms or tms.
I just stopped taking Wellbutrin. I've tried about everything now. First few months I feel better but then they just stop working. I also hate being attached to medications. I don't know what I'm going to do next.. but I feel like things eventually have to get better..
Wellbutrin has been great for me as well.
@bakedandsteaked look into psychedelic therapy, specifically, DMT/Ayahuasca and Psilocybin mushrooms. Only things that ever worked for me.
I’m listening to two depressed guys talk about depression now I’m more depressed
Lol best comment here.
Go out there and take what's yours your life you deserve it everyone deserves it but you got to put in the work I know firsthand I've come a long way from depression it won't be easy but fight ... positive vibes
The uncomfortable truth of "I'll do anything I dont have a wife or kids" even moved in his seat sub-consciously knowing what he ment , call the people you havent spoke to in a while your voice might just be the little tiny small microscopic fiber these people need ❤
❤🙏❤️
Interesting. Been 37 years dealing with this beast. If you care to know. Being happier is transient. Enjoy it. Unfortunately the time in between is our percieved nightmare. Just keep working at it. Know the world needs your gifts.
I feel you man. Bout 30 years of this nightmare for myself. It's a lot. Sending strength and peace to you✌🏽💫
What a coincidence. Because it's been getting bad again for me after a few years of being good. What's scary is that it's my first time experiencing depression again after getting out of it. I thought I was over it. It took YEARS. Long story why I ended up there but yeah. I need to try something. I just tend to be lazy and procrastinate. If I have a good day then I tell myself "See? I'm good. If I have a bad day or week, it is what it is because I know I can also feel good." but I know deep down it isn't ok and it might gets worse.
I smoke weed every night. The way my brain has always been is that it races. I go through thoughts and scenarios in my head all the time. It's why I always feel prepared for almost anything. But at night? Not good. I have troubles sleeping. So almost 3 years ago I started smoking and it was great but recently. I just wish it was legal here in London. Tired of bullshit even though I stick to one guy I trust.
My point is I gotta try something like Neal. I can't keep going like this or else it'll get real bad and once I back in that dark place for real, I won't be able to help myself. And I don't have any family here. I moved here alone. So yeah. I gotta do something because I'm holding myself back from my dreams which I honestly feel are so close, BARELY out of reach. I believe in myself and my talents but I sabotage myself basically.
Anyways, sorry for the long chapter. About to smoke to go back to sleep. 3:20am. But I had to watch some Theo Von and have some laughs. Have a great night/day everyone. GANG GANG!!!!
Gang, dude. I felt all of that. Depression hits everyone different but we suffer nonetheless. I wish weed were legal where you are, too! I'm in California and altho I've stepped back from using it, it's nice to know it's there. But....in the meantime, I'm sending you a little prayer. That when the world feels the most dark, Something will come in and spark up your insides again. The littlest things can be our biggest help. 🌻
Hope you are doing ok mate, by the way weed is actually so bad for your sleeping its worth it to quit.
Hey man, like they said above, let us know you’re doing okay and give us an update! You’re cared about man, and definitely not alone. I saw a few of your words that stuck out as my experience as well and had to comment and let you know how important you are and how brave you are, sharing your story. Proud of you. Keep going man. You got this. Smoke one and think of us, thinking of you. We’re all in this together brother.
Gang bro! I feel u. I've been goin thru it myself... Long, cold valleys.
try some sport early evening, running, boxing, jumping.... Become ur own provider of the chemistry u need. We all got different levels.
It's not magic but it's been working for me for a while tho...
I keep smokin weed but never right before sleeping. My choice.
Big up and stay strong. Never alone.
I can so relate. Completely. An abusive controlling 19 years relationship has drained the life out of me and it's like I can't get back to normal again.
"Of course it was, Theo" XD Man. I don't know why. but I needed that.
The way Theo looked down after too 😂😂
@@dennis3dc *devastated*
Lmao so subtle but soo funny
The goal isn’t to feel good, but to get good at feeling...
Also work (purpose/meaning) + play (enjoyable activities by yourself and with friends) + love (intimacy, social support, and physical connection) = life worth living
@@jonnovak6856 yeah wish i had all of that
I like this dude. I can relate to his philosophy of just trying to feel good more than all the RISE AND GRIND ITS YOUR DAY Joe Rogan type of deal. I just wanna be content and chill out, man. Watch my niece grow up, look at some flowers or some shit you know?
Markus Harlow He doesn’t have Rogan’s jock mentality.
GHOSTE
I like a balance between the two.
Depends what kind of person you are
Markus Harlow i feel you! I us to be like that “balls to the wall crush everything in your path” philosophy but now I just wanna kick the soccer ball around with my nephew, drink no more then 3 beers, and just chill and enjoy life on my terms.
Sincerely appreciated you both sharing. 🤔
"Of course it was Theo ..."
Thank you, Neal and Theo. I appreciate this talk and it helped me not feel ashamed of depression.
I think he’s right about hunting/fishing/farming/foraging. We’re made to do those things.
Dude I had bad depression after leaving the army, all kinda drug experimentation and lots of alcohol. Well lo and behold these little blue mushrooms made their way into my life and a couple nights in the woods under a full moon and my depression was healed for awhile. So after two or three months it creeps back or slams me, I set my intention, go to the bonfire alone or with a few friends, have the experience which is supernaturally intense sometimes, sometimes scary, sometimes fucking hilarious, and in right as rain brother. Whatever really works for ya! I ain't letting the VA drug me up!
I can concur. It would last about 6 months for me. Sober Religious experience lasted about 2 years.
Yo..
Yeah man just got out myself and am dealing with the same shit. It's been three months and it's better but it takes time. Hope you are still doing good, RLTW! 👊
THANK YOU FOR SAYING IT'S OKAY TO FEEL HOW YOU FEEL!! WHY IS IT SO SHAMEFUL? IF THAT'S HOW YOU FEEL... THAT'S HOW YOU FEEL! OWN IT!
Zoloft turned me into a zombie. The only thing I was able to feel was anger and annoyance
Well you couldn't feel sadness, depression or anxiety so it sounds like it worked, lol
@Mike Knight stfu moid
@@demolition5000 yeah, I guess. If you consider getting aggressive and occasionally attacking people, like your own mother, for getting in the way of anything "working". I didn't give a single fuck about anything.
@@VisenyaAtoms I'm just gonna bowl this one out there. Have you considered that you might have depression?
@@henrikibsen6258 I have severe anxiety and depression. I already know that. I've been told that I'm a perfect fit for borderline personality disorder. I don't like pills though. I don't want to fuck with my brain that much. So I deal.
I recently got into reading manga, definitely helps keep me busy and gives me a sense of satisfaction!
Hell I’m just trying to make it to tomorrow
Depression is like Chris Delia. Livin on the north side of trees. A shadow boy.
I love both these guys.Meditation and Working out def helps to relieve Anxiety and Depression,just FYI.
No it works for you not for everyone
These two are great together.
Grateful I’ve never ever felt this.
Did zoloft for 2 weaks, got headaches n messed up my labido. Stopped takin it, moved out of the city, abandoned toxic ppl in my life n I was cured, who knew.
Please read. you tell your mechanic your car is malfunctioning. But you also dont treat it like the manual suggests. You put water in gas tank sometimes, run it only on weekends, haven't check under hood in a year. Your mechanic won't know where to start checking. So onto you. Youre not living your best life. I am a recovering binger of anything that feels good. When you start living rightously you feel more stoic and in the zone. You deserve to feel good. I avoid outside food, started intermittent fasting, no ejaculation. Only if balls hurt, no drinking. Still use caffeine thats the next step. Do what you can. Also learn self empowerment techniques. I love Nietche. The lifes power is in you. Dont search out but in. You are already great. Building yourself like a piece of art takes work and patience.
My gut said no ejaculation, only if balls hurt 😂😂😂
Good stuff👍🙏
wtf...
This does nothing to help me I'm still going to kill myself tonight... Life is definitely not worth living.... All these techniques or whatever don't work on people who are really depressed..... People like me end up dead... We always do
@@WWeRockFan1001 dude stop seeeking attention and buck up and get help
It seems like everyone has depression or some kind of anxiety disorder, which is crazy but I'm happy/sad in a weird way, happy because all people who have this are not alone, damn it our favorite comedians have it and sad just for the incredible amount of people who suffer from this
@@benedekfeher8080 Theo nailed it at 10:05. This wasn't always the case. It's a symptom of the modern life. Unironically, returning to monke solves a lot of these problems. Doing activities necessary for basic survival, doing these things with other people, etc all are a deeply rooted part of the healthy human experience. It keeps us connected, sane, and with purpose. We've just become so distanced to it all.
Haven't even watched this yet, and it's already helping ease my grief. Struggled with depression directly after high school for several years, go over it, eventually found an incredible girl, lived a beautiful 3 years together. But after we had a mutual breakup over different morals, I'm back to 2012. Feeling like shit, no desire to live, and not sure what to do.
The only comfort is that i'm just barely giving myself enough to do to keep moving forward. I know that I've done this once before, so I can do it again.
Stay in it bro, I'm in the same boat as you right now.
Seek help, exercise and do whatever you can to make yourself get through it.
Stay strong bro
No desire to live and can’t be bothered to kill yourself. It’s a sucky place to be. To me there is nothing wrong with being like this. We are a product of genetics and environment. It’s impossible to change one and hard to change the other. What works one day might not work the next. I have kids. So I just ask myself how would I want my sons to react? Then make an attempt to do that. Give this a try. I also work on Inner Engineering with Sadhguru. It’s not for everyone but it works for me. I understand your feelings brother
Depression is not a joke. If you really have it you know. If you think it’s not real then you don’t have it
Theo laughing his ass off while Neil is talking about the TMS treatment is hilarious 🤣
When I learned the truth about this world by falling down the rabbit hole, my depression was cured. Most of my depression was caused by confusion and a sense of no purpose. I became fixated on learning truth and knowledge.
I started my rehab rabbit whole of knowledge after I lost my mother last year (55) ... knowledge of the surrounding world def helped calm me ... I totally understand your conment!!
@@josefbecher4790 have peace brother.
Are you trying to say psychedelics helped you overcome depression?
the purpose thing is great. Everytime I sit around eating cheetos without a goal I get depressed.
Could totally relate
thanks for the clips channel bro, I need that distilled goodness!
I’m with Theo. I could put down some drinks where I would normally be drunk, but on the meds it never got to that point
Love this convo. Mental health important...psych nurse...
I feel like if you're not depressed you're not looking around you hard enough
I feel like if yr depressed or hopeless u become blind to the good things round chu
It’s a form of psychosis in itself to do the mental gymnastics to justify certain things happening in this world
Exercise helps, eating well helps and laughing helps. Many people stay indoors all day, dont communicate, dont exercise and dont eat then they wonder why they feel like shit. Depression for me is an unhappy and unfulfilled body and mind, there is also no given right to be happy. Maybe its a false perception from movies and music videos - aim to be content thats my stance on it- enjoy your coffee and try not to worry about things for too long, dont take life too seriously.
Spot on for me buddy
And social media is full of con artists. People trying to prove they are happier then the next person. Its an online video game. You ever see people in public taking those photos. Big fake smile for the selfie then it immediately goes away as they are editing/posting it.
"I want to feel good"
Perfectly said!
Love these dudes. But chasing a feeling is like chasing the wind
Zoloft gave me all the physical side effects of MDMA with none of the euphoria. I looked like a crack head. My boss pulled me over at work and asked if I was on coke. Had to stop that within 10 days
Fuck! thats the worst feeling when you try to fix the problem and only make it waaay more noticeable and have to finesse your way out of people perceiving you incorrectly
Man, thank you for this interview
I tried hypnotherapy but bruh was eating a bag of Doritos while doing it and I was like nah this ain’t it. He’s like you’re going into a trance *dorito bag scruffle*
I have bad anxiety and panic attacks since 2000 after my cousin died. You can't control it. My heart will this race a million miles a minute and think of the stupidest things. I was on so many different kinds of medication, and none of them seemed to work they had so many bad side effects like no sex drive can't sleep bad mood
“I believe that cause you couldn’t make that up”. Scary logic when talking to Theo
I think the answers are much more simple and much more primal.
We live in an unnatural world with unnatural stimulus. Our baseline has been artificially shifted, so whenever we are "at rest", we feel much needier.
If you think of human pleasure on a scale of 1 to 10, out in the wild, we will naturally fall on average at a 5. Which is kind of just right. You're not depressed or anxious but you're also not over the moon. You're content.
The problem is we have 10s are our fingertips at any moment. Porn. Video games. Social media. Texts. Likes. Alcohol. Drugs. Dating apps.
The problem with all of this unnatural stimulus is that it shifts our baseline. When we are constantly reaching for 10s, our "at rest" state is shifted. Your brain compensates for too much pleasure. 5 then becomes a 4.
This is when things get dangerous. 10s stop being enough. 10s start feeling like 5s. You find more exotic porn, more violent video games, start changing your behavior to try and get more likes, drink more alcohol, engage in more risky behavior, sleep with more partners.
Now your baseline is at a 3. Now you start to question your purpose, start having suicidal/homicidal thoughts, you require medical help to adjust your levels to "normal".
I feel like I could write a book about this and I'm sure there is one like it out there but the answer to all of these problems is simple. Not easy, but simple:
1. Workout
2. Eat right
3. Don't use social media
4. Don't watch porn
5. Don't play video games
6. Don't eat sugar
7. Don't drink alcohol
8. Don't do drugs
If you do all of those things, and you stick to it, you won't have a longing for more. You'll be in a natural state of balance. You won't need external stimulus to help you not feel depressed. Sure, you'll experience the range of human emotions, but no problem will feel overwhelming.
At some point you'll feel complacent. You'll feel like oh I'm ready for those 10s and I'll handle them responsibly now. You won't. It's the pleasure trap.
Well said man i defiently fell victom of chasing that 10 feeling through all my 20s in the last 3 months ive given up all those rushes, social media , alcohol , chasing girls every week, sugar. The only vice I have left now is smoking weed once every few weeks. I feel like im still struggling with every day stress and smoki g once in a blue moon seems to reset me and my nervous system. But in saying that im content now just relaxing in the moment so much more.
That's great to hear, kid!
I think it's okay to be stressed. We just don't necessarily need to escape it or create an identity out of it. It's just a part of the human experience and it's okay.
We create suffering when we assign judgements to the emotions. When we start telling ourselves negative stories about the negative feelings we have, then we tend to get lost.
You're perfect exactly how you are.
Jack Danielson damm Dood chill
100% on point
Wrong.
God Theo makes me laugh so hard at the smallest lines "well you're like a little bit of a Magellan on the mental health front"
I read your comment at the same moment Theo said that line 😐😅
@@rangle_brammer totally must be synced up at the speed the average person reads or something because I did the same thing.
😂 I didn't catch that
My glass is always half full......gang gang
“Get up and try to get some shit popping “
Great discussion Theo
The thing is the only way to get out of depression is by actually *loving yourself.* The fact of the matter is that *society* makes it far too difficult for most people to actually **do** that. So what can we actually do? If exercise, finding our passions, and forming a family doesn’t work... then why not give up the ghost?
Afterlife is a good Netflix show that deals with this question.
I feel dirty the way I can relate to this clip so much
Shoutout to errybody out there doing they thing+stuff.
Anti depressants work differently for each person. So if you get lucky find one that has no side effects, or 1 that has least side effects, incase all suck. just take them to help you get out the tough part. Remember depression is normal, no one is ever depressed free. depression can just overwelm individuals. Dont come dependant and depressed free. side effect is worse depression/suicidal.
my personal experience on anti depressants was.. i couldnt get upset or feel down. sombody could slap me and i wouldnt want to fight. now when you need to defend yourself and you dont. that shit is too much
That second growth redwood table drives me nuts. Theo needs an old growth table.Lots of still usable wood on the beaches near the river mouth’s where this wood grows.
great talk about mental health
"of course it was theo" lmfao i was dying
Theo actually makes Neal funny and bearable to watch. That’s how great Theo is bravo
Neal reminds me a little bit of goldblum from the fly.
Wow. Interesting.
I see it.
And hear it
The linoleum joke was too funny. He inadvertently called Theo poor in the funniest way
Aww, so strong and brave, so strong and brave.
House cats point was so solid
I feel the “of course it was Theo” at 1:35 is entirely underrated lmao, all jokes aside. This helped me today.
@7:50 Man, when he said what did you during the summer at 10 years old, holy shit did i just have some great flashbacks to my 10-18 year-old self
Yes 60 -70 hours a week, but its not enough to get ahead. You have to do sode hustles, then wash the dishes, clothes, and clean the house. Take care of your girl who is the one person who is there for you, lay there staring at the cielling thinking about how to be good enough. Its exhausting
“Of course it was, Theo.” Maybe the realest part of this whole convo
Damn I love Theo
Good hearted laughs
Comedians r Healing the world during this cluster of a time. Look for the silver linings. Gang
As soon as he said "we're indoor cats now" it should have panned back to Theo as a cat.
I'm glad when I hear TMS works for people I had two bilaterals and one of the bipolar treatments and I ended up with a major face infection that led to me being numb and almost paralyzed on one side and not being able to smell or taste and having to have surgery and having no outcome with it but that's what you get when you sign those papers have yet to find anybody else who had any side effects other than the buzzing and the shocks to go back to get another treatment because they tell you if it doesn't work you don't go back for a treatment
From TMS you had what sounds like a stroke? Is that what you're saying?
Nope side effects because they do exist with this treatment
Please talk about this more!
good stuff man.
I am now doing Sprovato treatments. It a mid a ketamine derivative in the form of a nasal spray that is administered under medical supervision. It has changed my life! It is not the same as IV ketamine which a lot of people don’t like. Just wanted everyone out there with treatment resistant depression, anxiety and PTSD. It’s like a miracle !
i want a podcast with Neal AND Kevin Brennan
7:02 - love this
dope depression talk boys
The not getting drunk on antidepressants is so true
Great video
Chasing the feel good dragon isn't going to solve anything. You need purpose and meaning in your life. That's where you'll find contentment.
two smart fellas.
Got a story that relates to this so so much...
Noonday Demon by Andrew Solomon is an amazing book about depression that’s helped me. It’s not a self-help book either
I love Andrew solomon! I'd like to check out janov too. Thanks guys
Hunting and Camping.
Hunting and Camping. Camping and mushrooms. Camping and fishing. Less phones, more stars, less face book, more books under your face.
There is no conclusion for depression .
Success is a a. A a a a a an available..
But success doesn’t satisfy success.
What is success?
Restart depression…
Blow it all away.
What is depression .success??
Uncle Theo's Map N' Zap
Head feeling down?
We can get it up!