Ken does not have a gun. Where as you notice with Ryu gets money from Ken and Akuma are homeless and collects unemployment. How can Ken possibly compete in this game? #sf6luminati #buffken #imgoingtobed
Bruh the entire video its "Yeah this is very very good but *smallest inconvenience ever*" Combining both Capcom cups he is the most represent caracther i wonder why
I think what makes this so incredible is how technically, yes, these are all true, so at a surface level it looks like real downplay. But then if you know enough about the game it's clear that these aren't actually weaknesses. Also, you add in some real tips in there for dealing with MK Jinrai and even sonic blade which is just icing on the cake. And then you finish with "It's not agression, it's passion" which made me laugh so hard I had to pause the video. This is a flippin' masterpiece. I hope Broski sees it 😆
Even if this video is genuine, who cares lmao. This video is so funny because all the comments are acting like you're killing their family with how they're like "HOW COULD YOU SAY THIS???? KEN BAD??? IS THIS BAIT????" I love FGC discourse lmfao
I think the reason why people say ken has good pressure is because he has good neutral which if he wins it, has easy and amazing access to corner and every character with a throw loop in this game has amazing pressure. Ken can just do that more easily and more consistently. That and his general screen control is what make him good and fun.
Ed is 100% not a shoto. I dont know where this idea started or why it’s being perpetuated but he is absolutely, DEFINITIVELY not a shoto. Also, this is a joke right?
@@chasepalumbo2929 meh. It’s kind of a boring troll. Plus there’s tons of people who actually think Ed is a shoto… hell i’ve heard people say Rashid is somehow a shoto. Not to mention there’s tons of people that downplay Ken so..
3:12 What both you and Broski said is true, but I think you both missed the mark there. The end result of Ken being able to punish that (and all other character specific punishes) is that it takes away strong options from someone's game plan. Another example of this is Terry and other 7 frame supers vs. MK Jinrai. Jinrai is super scary to fight for a lot of the cast and puts a ton of pressure on the opposing player, but some characters make it impossible to get any value from it at all. Imo, that's the point Broski should have drawn when making an argument about how powerful having the longest 8 frame normal in the game is.
tbf i think its kinda implied but yeah, characters being able to punish a certain tool another char has stops them being able to use that option, which hinders them overall
Ken's weakest part is that when you get hit he loses health, which means you can die if you get hit hard enough. We should nerf everyone in the cast so they can't kill Ken.
About the cr.lp into target wuith the 5 frames gap, I think it is fair to ask high skill players to hit confirm the cr.lp into the target and not press anything after cr.lp if it doesn't hit. I don't know how strong it remains tho.
@fararjeh well, myselr with Chun Li I'm practicing it with chun li. I know it's possible, a guide teaches this. Cr.mk drc hits ? Combo b.hp. blocked ? Cr.lk hits ? Combo lp. Blocked ? Mp for frame trap. Counter hits ? B.hp combo. Blocked ? Frame trap lp or space trap lk. 🤣 I been practicing that and im getting better at it
@@gueyenono Just one example is 3:02, "If you can't do something specifically against Ken that you can do to everyone else, because Ken has a really good button that no one else has, it's not that Ken is strong but actually you should just have one of your options completely invalidated in this one matchup."
It's funny because as a Ken player I see where you're coming from on most of these, especially your point on Ken not having tremendously forcing pressure mid screen. Still, given the discourse I'm not surprised with the response to this video.
10:05 how is this true? Ken pressure is definitely safer, cheaper, and drains more drive than most characters because of Jinrai. He can do his blockstring, if the opponent blocks, he can Jinrai, if the opponent keeps blocking, he can do the followup and be safe. Compare it to Jaime's rekka that leaves him -6 on the first rekka, and even more negative for the follow-ups. Ken has a better Rekka than the rekka character. You are really ignoring how Jinrai destroys the opponent drive gauge, and how skewed the situation is in his favor. he is even left at a pretty good position to walk back and do 5HK But i wouldn't mind Jinrai if it wasn't for his corner carry and side switches.
I think most of this was pretty honest tbh. Ken is def strong, top 5 in the game for sure. I wouldn't put him as the best though, he's just been consistently in the top 5 since the game came out and people are tired of him. Bison/Akuma are stronger, maybe a few others.
Great intro, i agree he is strong, i am not sure how strong but by design he will be good, specifically because how strong the corner is, yes everyone is strong at the corner but ken can win an interaction and take you to the corner easily, i think thats why he is consistent at tournament and hated online, not because of the specifics strong tools he has.
Broo.. I'm about to cry... dude I don't know who you are but this morning I got up and saw that very same video from broski... I WANTED rage I make a video about why people should ken alone... I remember when Ken was in a good spot in sfv... people complain The hell out of him..... Which he gotten... dealt with in the worst way he was a Nerf SOO hard many people dropped HIM... which was in a way because the game wasn't finished etc and alot of characters "needed" Rework work but Ken got the worst treatment.... Now moving on to Street Fighter 6 key feels so great and overall just feels like a all around character can people start finding false complain about" Dragon Lash"?!??????... which I myself is also a Ken player & never really felt it was that scary vs cammy "spin knuckle" + on block!?????... Go thru fire Balls??!... Man... and even so he has been getting Nerf ever since.Meanwhile Ryu constantly getting all the buff to making him feel like guile, that's kinda where he eventually gotten buff to the point he straight hard to play even a little fire ball game with... If they keep nerfing ken as at this rate tho minor... I just dropp street fighter all in all... For ruining him... I have so much knowledge on the character where find another 10 players is as easy as it comes I'm telling you right now My Ken cann beat angry bird's ken with using simple knowledge against ken... Ken it's - 80% to 75%... Ken is the ok where he's at... leave him alone!
wait what...was this supposed to be a downplay? lol I heard a lot of he's very very good, very good etc. good...lolol, 6:38 was hilarious... Ken gets that short, jab combo in the beginning without having to use meter though so I think that makes it better. This was good fun though...i laughed every time you said "granted, he's good but..." lolol..you gotta sell the downplay better.
The DR st.LK not leading to combo on standard hits feels barely like his downside when you know his kit comes with linking mediums from lights into run specials. The combo he would get off the DR st.LK would be a bad use of DR. The range for punish counter into DP matters more than than DR combo lol.
@@javonyounger5107u need ch or pc AND drush cancel to combo it. Its +0 on hit so yea, u need it to be a ch and then drush confirm it. Only player ive seen do this at pro level is xiao hai. And he doesnt even play ken anymore. Its a great poke tho
Looking at the comment section, it's amazing how many people really hate Ken. Sigh, the reason I play SF6 (or any SF) is because of Ken. I think he's cool.
My god. You actually put this out on the internet with no sense of shame or self awareness. Crazy. I mean you could do this with any overpowered character in any game ever. I guess sentinel in mvc2 isn't that good because he has slower lights than any other top tier. See how easy it is to find a flaw in individual tools and pretend the sum of the parts of the character's kit and they way that character is uniquely positioned to abuse the game mechanics aren't fundamentally offensive?
@@Hoodini1417noob here so forgive my ignorance but why are the community not look at the rank data as a reference in part of this conversation for objectively how strong a character is?
The things that make ken not strong are a lot like the things that make Jamie strong 😂 Jamie has so many tools but is clearly not strong. Ken has clear weak areas but is obviously strong. Had the privilege of playing against phenom recently, he beat me of course lol then the very next match I played takamura 😂 Edt: I just realised I played against you that same night! That was brutal...
As main of the 2nd worst shoto (juri), having your character constantly up-played by haters who refuse to adapt just makes me laugh. You're a brave soul for attempting to set them straight, but sadly, i don't think they'll listen.
Starting every downplay with “tbh ,this is pretty good “ is so dumb and u sat there and for hours, made a rewatched this bullshit and felt proud of yourself ? Lmaoo Just say u wanted to troll broski bro , stop it
I hope this is a troll video.
When I'm in a downplaying competition, and my opponent is Ken main. (I'm cooked)
"And by shotos I'm talking about Ed---" okay, it's a troll video, lol.
When he referred to Ed as a Shoto, I knew this was going to be a downplay masterpiece.
😭😭😭😭😭
bait used to be believable
Legend says that these 2 videos started a SF6 downplay, upplay, competition.
His dp literally has fire and you tell me he's not strong
"Yea this thing about Ken is very good.. but here's the catch!" into the most non-factors of all time.
from the first argument I was like "oh thank god, it's a bait"
Ken does not have a gun. Where as you notice with Ryu gets money from Ken and Akuma are homeless and collects unemployment. How can Ken possibly compete in this game? #sf6luminati #buffken #imgoingtobed
Ministry agents have already arrived on the scene, that's wild
I'm just saying man if this is your attempt at soft launching a cult i can move into the compound tomorrow
"I cant do cr jab to target combo on block otherwise i get jab punished" im crying
This is extremely high-effort trolling.
Angrybird disliked this video.
“Ken up-players”
You are the devil
He even sounds like evil broski
"Ken can punish something so just don't do that thing" so Ken existing removes a move from me, but he is definitely not strong
I feel like im being indoctrinated
haha what... youre not bro.... but you know jinrai isnt even that bad....
I can’t believe this video exist and I simply love it. Thank you for this.
You’re funny for this it hasn’t even been half a day since the broski video dropped
Bruh the entire video its "Yeah this is very very good but *smallest inconvenience ever*"
Combining both Capcom cups he is the most represent caracther i wonder why
because ken players have determination that no other player has, we laugh in the face of nerfs and scoff at kens ranking (bottom 5)
@@fararjeh LMFAO brother are you mentally ill
RS @@fararjeh
ken is too strong nerf dhalsim
I think what makes this so incredible is how technically, yes, these are all true, so at a surface level it looks like real downplay. But then if you know enough about the game it's clear that these aren't actually weaknesses. Also, you add in some real tips in there for dealing with MK Jinrai and even sonic blade which is just icing on the cake. And then you finish with "It's not agression, it's passion" which made me laugh so hard I had to pause the video.
This is a flippin' masterpiece. I hope Broski sees it 😆
Ken is broken, but the real villain is the dude named Akuma 😭
Not even mentioning that Ed's st/5LK is 6 frames startup when tryinf to compare the moves, the gaslight gatekeep downplay initiative is insane fr fr.
It’s 5 frames bro, I’m talking bout his crouch lk
Even if this video is genuine, who cares lmao. This video is so funny because all the comments are acting like you're killing their family with how they're like "HOW COULD YOU SAY THIS???? KEN BAD??? IS THIS BAIT????" I love FGC discourse lmfao
As a Ken main i can only dream to reach this levels of downplay, please teach me
I second that
I think the reason why people say ken has good pressure is because he has good neutral which if he wins it, has easy and amazing access to corner and every character with a throw loop in this game has amazing pressure. Ken can just do that more easily and more consistently. That and his general screen control is what make him good and fun.
Ken Main coming to Ken's defense. All according to plan lol
Thank you for your service
This took me 6 minutes, until I checked the comments. Not gonna lie I was buying into many parts of this... 😅
I absolutely love this emergency fararjeh video! I have no opinion on Ken's strength, I just want more videos like this ❤
This is a good Ken counterplay video *taking notes
That's right you tell em YOU LET THEM KNOW
YEAH BRO GO OFFFFFF
I like how the argument against EX Fireball is “you lose 2 gauge” when Ken is also really good at building drive gauge
finallly someone looking out for us llittle Ken mains just trying to play the game, and being beaten down by those disgusting, unbalanced, top tiers.
Brother I love you, but I will not fall for the ken downplay 😂
Ken players always have the craziest moments in tournaments because that's how you need to play to win with Ken.
Thank you for the sacrifice you made my ken brother 🫡
Ed is 100% not a shoto. I dont know where this idea started or why it’s being perpetuated but he is absolutely, DEFINITIVELY not a shoto.
Also, this is a joke right?
eds probably the best shoto after juri
@ uh huh.
@@fararjehexcellent troll tbh 😂
@@chasepalumbo2929 meh. It’s kind of a boring troll. Plus there’s tons of people who actually think Ed is a shoto… hell i’ve heard people say Rashid is somehow a shoto. Not to mention there’s tons of people that downplay Ken so..
Why do you say Ken's ex fireball into drive rush is a read as if it's a weakness unique to ken? Every single character throws ex fireballs as a read.
yeah, he says this as if the other characters even have this option, if it worked on reaction it would be just more broken
😭 this is the running gag
3:12 What both you and Broski said is true, but I think you both missed the mark there. The end result of Ken being able to punish that (and all other character specific punishes) is that it takes away strong options from someone's game plan. Another example of this is Terry and other 7 frame supers vs. MK Jinrai. Jinrai is super scary to fight for a lot of the cast and puts a ton of pressure on the opposing player, but some characters make it impossible to get any value from it at all. Imo, that's the point Broski should have drawn when making an argument about how powerful having the longest 8 frame normal in the game is.
tbf i think its kinda implied but yeah, characters being able to punish a certain tool another char has stops them being able to use that option, which hinders them overall
a very light hearted video indeed
Ken's weakest part is that when you get hit he loses health, which means you can die if you get hit hard enough.
We should nerf everyone in the cast so they can't kill Ken.
Ken players know if Ken gets nerfed they'd be flipping burgers at Mc donald, if not already.
About the cr.lp into target wuith the 5 frames gap, I think it is fair to ask high skill players to hit confirm the cr.lp into the target and not press anything after cr.lp if it doesn't hit.
I don't know how strong it remains tho.
its not the easiest thing in the world and devoting that much brainpower to every jab becomes quite taxing
@fararjeh well, myselr with Chun Li I'm practicing it with chun li. I know it's possible, a guide teaches this.
Cr.mk drc hits ? Combo b.hp. blocked ? Cr.lk hits ? Combo lp. Blocked ? Mp for frame trap. Counter hits ? B.hp combo. Blocked ? Frame trap lp or space trap lk.
🤣 I been practicing that and im getting better at it
As the kids say, "This ain't it, chief".
this is a beautiful example of logical fallacies
Where bro…
I wish you were more specific with your claim.
"He doesn't have this strength and therefore that is a weakness"
@SamuelPierce-xg7hkthat's literally how this works.
@@gueyenono Just one example is 3:02, "If you can't do something specifically against Ken that you can do to everyone else, because Ken has a really good button that no one else has, it's not that Ken is strong but actually you should just have one of your options completely invalidated in this one matchup."
It's funny because as a Ken player I see where you're coming from on most of these, especially your point on Ken not having tremendously forcing pressure mid screen. Still, given the discourse I'm not surprised with the response to this video.
10:05 how is this true? Ken pressure is definitely safer, cheaper, and drains more drive than most characters because of Jinrai.
He can do his blockstring, if the opponent blocks, he can Jinrai, if the opponent keeps blocking, he can do the followup and be safe. Compare it to Jaime's rekka that leaves him -6 on the first rekka, and even more negative for the follow-ups. Ken has a better Rekka than the rekka character. You are really ignoring how Jinrai destroys the opponent drive gauge, and how skewed the situation is in his favor. he is even left at a pretty good position to walk back and do 5HK
But i wouldn't mind Jinrai if it wasn't for his corner carry and side switches.
Maintaining the agenda is our top priority
Ken is strong ❌️
Ken is strong enough ✅️
This the mona lisa of bait
Things are written well when you made the antagonist the hero lol
This is what down-play induced schizophrenia looks like:
I think most of this was pretty honest tbh. Ken is def strong, top 5 in the game for sure. I wouldn't put him as the best though, he's just been consistently in the top 5 since the game came out and people are tired of him. Bison/Akuma are stronger, maybe a few others.
Its jover guys we got ken is mid tier before gta6
Actually really good video, im 1900 plus and these are my take aways
Alt title: How i downplay Ken
So what do you all think should be nerfed
Great intro, i agree he is strong, i am not sure how strong but by design he will be good, specifically because how strong the corner is, yes everyone is strong at the corner but ken can win an interaction and take you to the corner easily, i think thats why he is consistent at tournament and hated online, not because of the specifics strong tools he has.
Broo.. I'm about to cry... dude I don't know who you are but this morning I got up and saw that very same video from broski... I WANTED rage I make a video about why people should ken alone... I remember when Ken was in a good spot in sfv... people complain The hell out of him..... Which he gotten... dealt with in the worst way he was a Nerf SOO hard many people dropped HIM... which was in a way because the game wasn't finished etc and alot of characters "needed" Rework work but Ken got the worst treatment....
Now moving on to Street Fighter 6 key feels so great and overall just feels like a all around character can people start finding false complain about" Dragon Lash"?!??????... which I myself is also a Ken player & never really felt it was that scary vs cammy "spin knuckle" + on block!?????... Go thru fire Balls??!... Man... and even so he has been getting Nerf ever since.Meanwhile Ryu constantly getting all the buff to making him feel like guile, that's kinda where he eventually gotten buff to the point he straight hard to play even a little fire ball game with... If they keep nerfing ken as at this rate tho minor... I just dropp street fighter all in all... For ruining him... I have so much knowledge on the character where find another 10 players is as easy as it comes I'm telling you right now My Ken cann beat angry bird's ken with using simple knowledge against ken... Ken it's - 80% to 75%... Ken is the ok where he's at... leave him alone!
edging to this video
Your right about his weaknesses but why are there 9 Ken’s in capcom cup?
You showed frame data for Ed's stand lk but showed footage of crlk
Nah the frame data in the video is crouch light kick
damn a new vid already!!! love
wait what...was this supposed to be a downplay? lol I heard a lot of he's very very good, very good etc. good...lolol, 6:38 was hilarious...
Ken gets that short, jab combo in the beginning without having to use meter though so I think that makes it better. This was good fun though...i laughed every time you said "granted, he's good but..." lolol..you gotta sell the downplay better.
The DR st.LK not leading to combo on standard hits feels barely like his downside when you know his kit comes with linking mediums from lights into run specials. The combo he would get off the DR st.LK would be a bad use of DR. The range for punish counter into DP matters more than than DR combo lol.
being able to cancel from standing light kick would do wonders to make him better, being able to drive rush and convert into big damage is very good
@@fararjeh yeah I agree. Maybe if Ken had 9k health :)
Can’t trust broski, bro was part of the aki downplay squad and now we all gotta deal with that lame ass broken overtuned character
yo people please realize this video is /s, please check your sarcasm detector
The video really didn't start great by calling Ed a shoto
Does Ken straight up not combo off of it, or does he only not combo if you hit it at the max range?
off what?
@@fararjeh Standing Light Kick.
@@javonyounger5107u need ch or pc AND drush cancel to combo it. Its +0 on hit so yea, u need it to be a ch and then drush confirm it. Only player ive seen do this at pro level is xiao hai. And he doesnt even play ken anymore.
Its a great poke tho
Forgot to mention, drush from st lk gives 3 frames, unlike other st lk-drush, thats why it doesn’t combo on normal hit
Usually you just do hp shoryuken at the range where you can't drive rush jab off of it. He's guaranteed a combo, just not into DR.
Never cook again
Ken Masters is Sol Badguy.
This cant be real
Where do you get these normal ranges from?
supercombo wiki for sf6
nice try, i know propaganda when i see it
131 people have taken the bait
You aren’t downplaying Dragonlash hard enough, the ground hitbox is f30
Looking at the comment section, it's amazing how many people really hate Ken. Sigh, the reason I play SF6 (or any SF) is because of Ken. I think he's cool.
He's right u know.
Another strong thing about ken, he doesnt hv command normals like other shotos so less room for errors
The amount of times I try to punish after a shimmy with Ryu and just throw out a million startup frame forward heavy punch.
Broski is a massive Aki downplayer he’s just a typical influencer playing a brain dead character
My god. You actually put this out on the internet with no sense of shame or self awareness. Crazy. I mean you could do this with any overpowered character in any game ever. I guess sentinel in mvc2 isn't that good because he has slower lights than any other top tier. See how easy it is to find a flaw in individual tools and pretend the sum of the parts of the character's kit and they way that character is uniquely positioned to abuse the game mechanics aren't fundamentally offensive?
Y'all chill out 😭 it's obviously a bate video. I would love to see a video of this guy and phenom donwplaying ken tho🤣 i would pay for it.
I think this is brilliant. Ken, the weakest shoto in SF6.
Thanks for being honest on this subject. Tired of people complaining Ken is strong.
its objective that ken is strong, that’s why he’s the most qualified character in capcom cup
@@Hoodini1417 Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.
Ken is strong its ok bro
@@davion_4623 It's just a bit man
@@Hoodini1417noob here so forgive my ignorance but why are the community not look at the rank data as a reference in part of this conversation for objectively how strong a character is?
Try countering Jin rai with stubby Jab like manon
Downplay propaganda 😂
Bro you should have stayed quiet, you are just telling guys how to deal with Ken 😂
The things that make ken not strong are a lot like the things that make Jamie strong 😂
Jamie has so many tools but is clearly not strong. Ken has clear weak areas but is obviously strong.
Had the privilege of playing against phenom recently, he beat me of course lol then the very next match I played takamura 😂
Edt: I just realised I played against you that same night! That was brutal...
As main of the 2nd worst shoto (juri), having your character constantly up-played by haters who refuse to adapt just makes me laugh. You're a brave soul for attempting to set them straight, but sadly, i don't think they'll listen.
😭😭
i agree
y, unsubscribed :/
Starting every downplay with “tbh ,this is pretty good “ is so dumb and u sat there and for hours, made a rewatched this bullshit and felt proud of yourself ? Lmaoo
Just say u wanted to troll broski bro , stop it
I'll humor you and watch your video but we both know what's really up 😂
Nvm video is straight facts no notes
Hope ur trolling
lol
The lvl 3 super bit pissed me off so much. The range is so bad.