The horn Samwell finds is banded in bronze. The First Men didn't use iron, but bronze, iirc. Another hint that Mance's horn is a fake, and Sam's is the real one?
It also makes me think of the holy grail. It's been a while since I read them but isn't the horn Mance found covered in gold? Maybe that's a clue that the more simple and broken horn is the real one.
@@Laura-fr2wx if you like historical fiction there’s a series of books called The Archer’s Tale that is about a Medieval English mercenary who finds the holy grail and his adventure involving it, really really really good series.
An interesting thought but isn’t iron allegedly the bane of the undead stark kings of winter… actually that might be supporting this since this magic is connected to them.
Also don't the Thens use bronze? So there's at least *someone* doing bronze metal working up there, which makes it seem more likely that the bronze one is real
Horn of winter was actually D&D all along. They destroyed terrifying and almost unstoppable the long night, westeros, all the back stories GRRM built and eveything we held dear.
@Sol Invictus no shit The constant rehashing of the OT, the sheer mess that is the ST and Book of Boba Fett was a disappointment in every way imaginable
Bowen: You have great thirst for such a small man. Aemon: Oh, I think Lord Tyrion is quite a large man. I think he is a giant come among us, here at the end of the world Could it be that Jouramun's horn raises an army of Tyrion Lannisters? FUCKING CONFIRMED Give me my nobel peace prize.
5.....5 fucking years. And this man, ~Spencer~, hasn't received what was his, by rite. Here you fool 'Gives ~Spencer~ a noble prize for making a comment about the Horn of Winter summons a bunch of Tyrion Lannisters' Your debt is paid, you may rest
Horns make music Music makes songs Dragonbinder = fire Horn of Winter = ice When the two are blown together in the fight against The Others, a Song of Ice and Fire will be heard
Maybe the children and the first men made the horn so they could separate the land beyond the Wall from the rest of Westeros the same way they separated Westeros and Esos by breaking the arm of Dorne. I think they made it in case the Wall wouldn't be enough to keep the Others from going south.
In keeping with this theory do you believe there could also be an ice dragon encased in the wall. Jon alludes to it seversl times in his descriptions of the wall. Your videos are excellent! Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts on such an intricate and often complicated series :) I've commented a couple of questions and topic ideas in a couple of your other videos in this playlist as well. Cheers!
like the idea! perhaps the breaking off point could be somewhere around the Bite region. That would make it more of a sacrifice u know, a lesser evil type deal, explaining the wait
Man, I have a theory now that the horn that summons Krackens and the Horn of Joramunn are one and the same, and the Ironborn took it while raiding beyond the wall for thralls. Think about it - 'Giants in the Earth' and 'Krackens in the Deeps' are pretty similar and could both imply a seismic disturbance, as they're both basically a metaphor for 'something powerful down there sure is pissed'.
+RiceDuke But House Goodmen were extinct with the Targaryens!? IF not.... Holyshit. Bolt-on theory confirmed. #RooseBoltonIsSkinChangingImmortalSerTwentyGoodmenAndSecretlyTargaryenSupporter Confirmed.
Maybe The Wall was partially destroyed. Perhaps Skagos used to be part of the mainland and Joramun flooded what is now the Bay of Seals when he blew the horn.
+Fawkes Is there mention of unmanned/mysterious fortresses on Skagos? I think Skagos would have them if the wall used to be there. Also wouldnt the wall still be standing on the land that Skagos is made up of?
+ThePooper3000 Davos will probably pass by a glacier at some point, or they'll be an off-hand mention from someone about unicorns and other weird things further inland.
Mance: Mormont, Snow, Tarly, Thorne. Ther're all just wachers on a wall Jon: It's a beautiful dream, climbing the wall. Mance: I'm not going to climb the wall. I'm going to break the wall.
So Dragonbinder burns the lungs, Horn of Winter (probably) freezes the lungs, I wonder if "Celtigars Horn" floods the lungs with water after use as payment? Drowns the user, you know? That'd be pretty cool.
I'm starting to feel like the Iron Born are way more important than we made them out to be. Like, for every duality between Ice and Fire, somehow the Iron Born get in between as well. Dragonbinder Horn of Winter... and also that Horn for Krakens. Old gods god of light... and drowned god (although there's also the faith of the Seven, which is harder to connect that way) White Walkers resurrecting dead lord of light resurrecting dead... and drowned men getting resurrected (what is dead may never die!) The duality of fire dragons and either ice dragons or white walkers could even make sense for Krakens or Merfolk respectively Those inky black castles that could be made from obsidian everywhere? Also in the Iron Isles. Note also the use of "inky" there. I'm starting to feel like there's some connections we're just missing. The obvious counter argument is: song of ICE and FIRE doesn't mention WATER, which is perfectly reasonable. You could answer "yea but fire + ice = water", but that is a weak excuse. Point is: Water or the Iron Born shouldn't BE involved thematically, yet they kinda just are. I dunno, I want to know more about these parallels, objects that are similar and motives that interact with eachother somehow. More random shit on the Iron Born.
@Sol Invictus now that you mention it, it makes perfect sense that they're involved in this story. Aren't the Iron Born descendants of the first men too? There has to be a reason they and their customs exist.
now that you've mentioned them. Hot take lol but what if... the horn of winter doesn't directly destroy the wall, but awaken the iron islands kraken and the kraken will destroy the wall 😆
Billy Bob Thorton's Pet Anchoive *White walker shows up* "Hey man, tried this stuff? You have a aura of negativity man, either replace those vibes or do4 send them towards me"
The lighthouse tower in Oldtown is clearly based off the Lighthouse of Alexandria, which was one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World, especially when you consider that close to the lighthouse the Citadel has a vast library inspired by the Library of Alexandria, which was also close to the Lighthouse on Pharos. Ultimately the Lighthouse was destroyed by an earthquake (technically 3 earthquakes did the trick, but still). If Martin intends to destroy the Lighthouse in Oldtown, then perhaps blowing a repaired Horn of Joramun would destroy that man-made wonder like an earthquake. A Song of Ice and Fire does read like history, and it's part of the reason why it appeals to history buffs like myself and Nick Hodges, so who knows.
Considering Euron was said to be headed to Old town this could make sense, maybe sam or someone else tries to blow the old horn to warn people of the attack or something causing the Hightower to collapse. As you say, it would fit with history Euron taking the place of Caesar when his men burned the Library of Alexandria.
+fiddlesticksop When/if Sam blows the horn and brings down the wall and calls himself a wizard, you bet your ass there's gonna be a gif of that somewhere on the internet.
Does the horn necessarily have to bring down the *entire* Wall? While it would be a devastating blow against Westeros to wield such power from the opposing side, it would still be extremely useful to merely blow a hole in the Wall, as long as it's large enough for an army to pass through. If that's the case, it's entirely possible that Joramun did use the horn to its full potential, and returning to normalcy after the fact was just a matter of repairs (which would still be a massive undertaking, of course, but all the same it would explain why the Wall still stands).
Please Do a video on either -The Tattered Prince identity - Eddard Stark is alive (Varys saved him) Its bull but a fun theory - Who Daenerys three betrayals are - Young Griff is fake/real
Younes Abid -Maybe but I heard a theory for that Lannister who was lost at sea -I don't but it would be interesting. - I don't think Mirri counts since like Viserys that was before the prophecy. I think Jorah might not count though he set one raven at Quarth. I think its Jorah, Brown Ben, The last one hasn't happened yet and will likely be her undoing. My guess it will be Barristan Selmy or Tyrion Lannister. Jon is likely to meet Dany but probably not enough time is going to be left for a friendship then big betrayal Unless the betrayals are her doing, like her to Viserys, her to Jorah and a third one yet to come - Yeah, I think he's fake
+Impslayer Yeah, I heard that one about Gerion Lannister but I thought he would be the Shrouded Lord which would be the leader of the Stone Men. This is pretty off topic but with you mentioning Brown Ben Plumm and the Tattered Prince it got me thinking about the Battle of Ice and the Battle of Fire which both will happen in the beginning of Winds of Winter but assuming that Winds of Winter is going to end on a pretty high note ( maybe the wall collapsing?) why didn't GGRM end ADWD with these 2 battles?
+Impslayer The betrayals being her doing is actually very interesting. Didn't think of that. What about the three heads of the dragon? Tyrion and John I guess.
Younes Abid Honestly the pacing of the last two books were a pretty big issue, we got too many chapters of wandering characters like Brienne, Sam, and Tyrion who don't accomplish much besides going from A-B nor have the character development of Brienne/Jaime adventure of book 3 to justify it. Overall there wasnt enough space due to the large number of storylines. We know the battle of ice is going to be this season. Apparently Jon v Ramsay is going to be a thing. I don't know if Mereen is getting a battle considering how sidelined mereen has been.
I think the "giants" that the horn "woke" from the ground WAS the Wall, I think the horn of winter has the power to build/repair the wall as well as bring it down. and that Sam, Jon, (or whoever has it at the time) will use it to repair the hole that the Night King made in the wall. but hey, that's just my thoughts on it~
I'd absolutely love to see a video breaking down what Dany sees in the House of the Undying. I've gone back to that section so many times, and keep finding new details from her visions there!
I watched most of these lore videos for the first time in the two years between the seventh and the final season of the show and it reminds me how hopeful and excited I felt to see it all pay off.
@@cflow2013 Fans in 2011: GRRM is NOT a freeloader, he would never take advantage of us! *4 years later* Fans: He is just having problems in organizing the chapters... *7 years later* Fans: Any day now... *So much time passed that the narrator got tired and they had to hire a new one* Fans: I KNOW THERE ISN'T A RELEASE DATE YET, LEAVE US ALONE
Soon there will have passed more time between the release of ADWD and TWOW than the time between AGOT and ADWD. A single book taking longer than all others combined...
@@GandalfGreyhame We still have another 6 years before that. GoT came or in 1996 and ADWD came out 15 years later in 2011. It's 'only' been nine years since then.
Recently when re-reading the series I read the part of Jon finding the dragon glass in the cloak and thought about how big they made this out to be yet it didn't really matter, what if Benjen happened across the Horn, realized what it was, and hid it so Mance wouldn't find it. The only reason Jon found it was because ghost dug it up, but why would he dig it up unless there was a scent, perhaps there was magical scent coming from the horn? Dire wolves are quiet magical creatures.
You're suggesting Benjen Stark took the horn from Winterfell and put it at the Fist of the First Men, which is certainly plausible, but why would Ben do that? Was there something significant he knew to prompt him to do that?
+ForeverTheSickestGamer Both in the show and the books, Benjen expresses some doubt when Ned tells him about the Night's Watchman who he beheads for desertion... Benjen almost seems to believe the man's story. Maybe he brought the horn with him because he thought he would need it, but was trapped at the fist by wildings or white walkers, so he buried it for someone to find later.
+Alt Shift X See Alt Shift X....this is where I am currently. Above I have stated that I think that the Three Eyed Crow had been speaking to Benjen for a long time....even when Benjen himself was a child at Winterfell. I believe that the Three Eyed Crow encouraged Benjen Stark to join the Night's Watch. I believe that the Three Eyed Crow a.k.a. Bloodraven a.k.a. the Last Greenseer a.k.a. Brynden Rivers has Benjen Stark's body at the Heart Tree and plans to warg into it so that Bloodraven may leave the tree after he makes Bran the Last Greenseer in his place! I believe that Bloodraven's Blackwood lineage and connection to the Old Gods grants him a great spiritual connection with the Starks. Also, Benjen had a grandmother, and Bran a great-grandmother from the Blackwood line, Melantha Blackwood, which would make Bloodraven a distant kinsman of sorts to Benjen and Bran. This leads me to also believe that the connection could also involve blood....even if it is very miniscule a blood connection could make a spiritual/mental connection stronger.
Dude thank you so much for posting this video. This is one of the things I can't seem to wrap my mind around about what's going to happen. The Horn of Joramun and the Horn of Winter seem so important. It's nice to hear your take on it
I know this comment is 8 years old. But after reading PoorQuentyns analysis of Euron and the upcoming battle at old town. It seems likely he takes the horn from Sam, climbs the Hightower, and blows it to bring down the wall
Oh I wasn't expecting a response because you get thousands of comments ! Been watching for a long time now, hope you do some analysing of episodes or important scenes during or after season 6 is over.
+Twig ever since I first saw his videos the first thing I thought to myself was "wow this guy sounds very clear and literate" so yeah I don't understand why people complain
i could listen to you for hours, your voice is gold and on top of thatyou have the absolute best theories with even better arguments and best of all u use all those book quotes, man keep up the good work, and if you can, make more videos, at least one a day :D it can be about anything :D
Oh mu god, ITS ON THE COVER OF WINDS OF WINTER?!?!?!!?!?? My heart can't take it anymore. Game of thrones is truly the 8th wonder of this world. I swear GRRM is going to heaven for being such a goddamn genius and so entertaining. So much information in 5 books, how does one man come up and keep track of ALL OF THIS HISTORY??
I love you, Alt Shift X. Keep doing what you're doing. I watched all of Game of Thrones recently because I was given HBO as a Christmas gift from the cable company I work at. It's freaking awesome. Love it! And now that I've watched all of your videos, I'm going to read the books. You've convinced me. It sounds so great!
+kuledinho Exactly. In literary terms the strong emphasis on the wall, the waning power of the Nights watch, the eventual glacial onslaught of the others- all point toward it falling or failing.
just as the throne has to burn in the end, the wall needs to fall. the two symbols of oppression and divide destroyed in the end to mark the beginning of a new age for westeros
This came up in my recommended. After watching it again... It just made me so bummed out. I haven't even thought about game of thrones since the final. The last season literally killed my love for it. I got this wave of nostalgia of how I use to feel about game of thrones. The mystery. The worldbuilding. The anticipation. Sigh....
Have you read the books? If not I'd strongly recommend it, even if you font like to read, there's audio books. If you ever loved Game of thrones, Its defo the way to go! 👍🏼
I've been super excited about this horn ever since I saw the cover of the next book. I have a strong feeling the Wall will collapse towards the end of this next season, and it's probably one of the major plot points from the books that they decided to follow in the show.
Wow, never realized how that mysterious horn which only surfaces from time to time might indeed become a big deal in the next book as it is apparently featured on the cover. Alt Shift X, you are just brilliant at approaching the small topics in detail and then bringing them in the broad context. Only problem is now I once again can't wait for the next book! :D
+Alt Shift X I'm torn between watching the show to know how it continues and not watching it to avoid (major) spoilers for the upcoming book. Still don't know what to do :(
I love all your videos, but this is a particularly great one! Do you have any insights into the chapter where Tyrion is dragged to a near drowning by the stone man? And about the weird time warp that brings the Shy Maid back to the Bridge of Sorrows twice?
Yeah, that time warp was weird. It's like the Big Lipped Alligator Moment of the series. Apparently in an earlier draft of ADWD Tyrion was actually supposed to meet the Shrouded Lord in a dreamlike sequence and offer something to the SL in exchange for his life. Perhaps that was supposed to occur during the whole "time warp" thing. It also explains some unexplained oddities in Tyrion's chapters, as well as why he doesn't get greyscale when JonCon does.
+Sofia A - Yes yes yes - all of that! There's a point where I think Holden implies that the Shrouded Lord can choose who gets the greyscale and will grant a "boon" to whomever can make him laugh. I also heard a theory that the current SL is actually Tyrion's favorite uncle who went to Essos in seach of the family's Valyrian sword and never returned. When Tyrion loudly announces his true identity and that he killed not only Tywin but Joffrey, I've heard some speculation that this resulted in the SL zapping him back to the bridge and then later having yet another change of heart. I really REALLY wish GRRM had left in the full SL chapter, and if not, had left out some of the bizarreness of this passage - unless of course he intends to explain it later through a dream or flashback.
***** It's the chapter in ADWD where Tyrion and the crew of the Shy Maid pass through the Sorrows and are attacked by stone men. There's really weird moment where the Shy Maid passes underneath the Bridge of Dreams (where the stone men like to hang) unharmed, and then moments later passes by familiar landmarks they had already passed earlier, and underneath the Bridge of Dreams again, and that is when the stone men attack. So, basically, the boat was somehow transported upriver again.
Perhaps one blast of Joramun's Horn awakens giants from the earth; two blasts to nullifies the magic woven into the Wall, and three blasts breaches the Wall if you're within range. That's a theory I propose for Joramun's Horn. I mean the Night's Watch does have a horn code system: one blast for rangers; two blasts for wildlings; three blasts for White Walkers.
What if the Celtigar's horn works!?!? (I have always wondered that!) Anyway, what if Benjen Stark was the one who buried the cache? (if the Horn of Winter were indeed kept in Winterfell). This could connect to a theory that I have about Benjen Stark's whereabouts and why he joined the Night's Watch. I think that like his nephew Bran, Benjen Stark was visited by the Three Eyed Crow a.k.a. Bloodraven and that Bloodraven could have persuaded him to join the Night's Watch and to bring the Horn of Winter with him....?...! *You see, I think that Bloodraven has Benjen at the great Heart Tree and plans to use Benjen's body to live again....after Bloodraven makes Bran the Last Greenseer/"Weirwood King" in his place!*
+eli odum BUT I am hoping that Bran somehow wargs into Benjen Stark's body instead, takes Dark Sister (which I am sure Bloodraven has in his possession) and becomes Azor Ahai to thwart the Others!!! :-)
I wonder if there is a fourth horn. One summons Krakens (Water), one controls Dragons (Fire), One causes earth quakes and awakens giants from the (Earth).
What if blowing the Horn of Winter awakes Ice Dragons and when its blown Ice Dragons that were frozen into the Wall awake and break it apart? That might be where the "Horn beaks the wall" comes from and the "Awoke giants from the earth" is?
Forbes Media I was just thinking the same thing. I'm so upset at the amount of things earlier seasons set up that I doubt will ever pay off because they're just throwing stuff out now, like The Horn of Winter, Quathe, maybe even implications of the House of the Undying bits to make room for action. How depressing 😢 I really hope I'm wrong.
my stummy hurt The wall will fall as a result, so there’s like a tiny bit of significance, on account of them white walkers invading the world and all.
The destruction of the Arme of Dhorne, The Doom of Valyeria, and blowing the horn of winter sound awfully similar events. The doom was 14 volcanos all erupting at once, but no one knows why or how. The horn to sound the Kraken is probably a tall tale, but it would fit within the themes of the story. The Song of Ice and Fire, the wall and Valyeria, the Starks and Targaeryans. But what about Euron, the dude who doesn't care about any of that. The one who is possibly more of a threat than the others. He is a Kraken, his goals from what we know are that he wants to summon something (possibly the Kraken) in the next book. Summoning natural disasters seems like horns MO at this point. Maybe the Kraken Horn will summon a massive wave
Could it be possible that Benjen Stark while visiting Winterfell in the first book could have taken the horn from the crypts and buried it with the other stuff which Sam later finds?
Amazing video as usual. Glad you're picking up on all of the things most of us look right past. Can't wait until the next video! Maybe one about the conspiring of the Tyrells and the deeper history behind what this opportunistic ruling family has been up to in The Reach and beyond?
Yup. That is just what I was thinking. The horn can cause an earthquake. It is able to breach the wall or sever a land bridge… And Sam has it. Could cause a tsunami and wipe out a fleet? Needs a blood sacrifice?
Quite a comprehensive grasp of this world you have. I have read all books multiple times and can only recall a fraction of what you have presented here. Misspent youth I guess.
Maybe it's gonna be like Lord of Rings when all the mystical creatures woke up including the trees to defeat the orcs , and all old magic in the north will awaken. Athens when the one who was promise comes defeats the other. Magic will slowly disappear again and all mystical creatures and and magic will go away.
I love how it ends with, "Yeah, the horn is also on the cover of the next book so it's probably a big deal"
Idk that might be dragonbinder
Then what about the Chalice on the cover of Feast or the Dragon coin or plate on the cover of Dance?
@@primus7882 Dragon binder is described at 6 feet long with valarian runes on it. No, thats not dragon binder.
@@HyperIonMake Oh ok then
But I thought it was cooked by stannis
The horn Samwell finds is banded in bronze. The First Men didn't use iron, but bronze, iirc. Another hint that Mance's horn is a fake, and Sam's is the real one?
It also makes me think of the holy grail. It's been a while since I read them but isn't the horn Mance found covered in gold? Maybe that's a clue that the more simple and broken horn is the real one.
@@Laura-fr2wx if you like historical fiction there’s a series of books called The Archer’s Tale that is about a Medieval English mercenary who finds the holy grail and his adventure involving it, really really really good series.
That’s what I thought when I read that chapter
An interesting thought but isn’t iron allegedly the bane of the undead stark kings of winter… actually that might be supporting this since this magic is connected to them.
Also don't the Thens use bronze? So there's at least *someone* doing bronze metal working up there, which makes it seem more likely that the bronze one is real
Horn of winter was actually D&D all along. They destroyed terrifying and almost unstoppable the long night, westeros, all the back stories GRRM built and eveything we held dear.
Munax
cool cool
Now they are going to destroy Star Wars next they is no way to stop them from destroying everything we hold dear.
Matt Arsenault no they won’t get that luxury,,,,they got fired from that....allegedly
I was looking for a got ending sucks comment and was not disappointed... unlike I was with ending of got
@Sol Invictus no shit
The constant rehashing of the OT, the sheer mess that is the ST and Book of Boba Fett was a disappointment in every way imaginable
Bowen: You have great thirst for such a small man.
Aemon: Oh, I think Lord Tyrion is quite a large man. I think he is a giant come among us, here at the end of the world
Could it be that Jouramun's horn raises an army of Tyrion Lannisters?
FUCKING CONFIRMED
Give me my nobel peace prize.
5.....5 fucking years. And this man, ~Spencer~, hasn't received what was his, by rite. Here you fool
'Gives ~Spencer~ a noble prize for making a comment about the Horn of Winter summons a bunch of Tyrion Lannisters'
Your debt is paid, you may rest
@@vardiganxpl1698 Thank you kind sir for you support of the fine arts! :D
@@StupidoSpencer Don't mind me. I'm just here as a witness to this historic moment.
Bruh
Cersei's worst nightmare.
TEN-THOUSAND TYRIONS
Horns make music
Music makes songs
Dragonbinder = fire
Horn of Winter = ice
When the two are blown together in the fight against The Others, a Song of Ice and Fire will be heard
I like this one a lot actually
Yeah this is great!!!
OMG! sounds beautiful
HOLY FUUUCCKK
Not bad, actually
The wall will fall when Stannis bends the knee
Indeed it will, my liege
Indeed, your grace
Of course, your grace
Shit..that means Stannis will bend the knee...because that wall is coming down...
A day which will never happen, Your Grace. We will take Winterfell, or die trying. I’ll hand you Bolton’s head on a spike.
Maybe the children and the first men made the horn so they could separate the land beyond the Wall from the rest of Westeros the same way they separated Westeros and Esos by breaking the arm of Dorne. I think they made it in case the Wall wouldn't be enough to keep the Others from going south.
Yeah that's a cool idea...
In keeping with this theory do you believe there could also be an ice dragon encased in the wall. Jon alludes to it seversl times in his descriptions of the wall. Your videos are excellent! Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts on such an intricate and often complicated series :) I've commented a couple of questions and topic ideas in a couple of your other videos in this playlist as well. Cheers!
like the idea! perhaps the breaking off point could be somewhere around the Bite region. That would make it more of a sacrifice u know, a lesser evil type deal, explaining the wait
That would make sense since we see in the show that the others can't swim
+Ertruem The bus can't swim
Man, I have a theory now that the horn that summons Krackens and the Horn of Joramunn are one and the same, and the Ironborn took it while raiding beyond the wall for thralls. Think about it - 'Giants in the Earth' and 'Krackens in the Deeps' are pretty similar and could both imply a seismic disturbance, as they're both basically a metaphor for 'something powerful down there sure is pissed'.
that Kraken horn is at Claw Isle, in the possesion of House Celtigar, northeast of Dragonstone. Why would the Ironborn drop off treasure at Claw Isle?
Also Kracken sounds like 'cracken' as in 'Earth will cracken'. I think we are onto something.
Ice *is* frozen water… Hmm…
Only Ramsay's 20 good men can destroy the wall.
+RiceDuke Shirts or skins?
shirtless ramsay and his 20 men squad can even take on the night king
+BarnardsLoop Pls nerf
+RiceDuke Ser Twenty Goodmen will be too busy preparing to fight ZombieMountain in a trial by combat for Ceresei's life.
+RiceDuke But House Goodmen were extinct with the Targaryens!? IF not.... Holyshit.
Bolt-on theory confirmed.
#RooseBoltonIsSkinChangingImmortalSerTwentyGoodmenAndSecretlyTargaryenSupporter
Confirmed.
Maybe The Wall was partially destroyed. Perhaps Skagos used to be part of the mainland and Joramun flooded what is now the Bay of Seals when he blew the horn.
Hmmmmm, yeah why not?
+Fawkes That's a pretty cool idea.
+Fawkes Is there mention of unmanned/mysterious fortresses on Skagos? I think Skagos would have them if the wall used to be there. Also wouldnt the wall still be standing on the land that Skagos is made up of?
+Keegan Stephen I guess we'll see in the next book!
+ThePooper3000 Davos will probably pass by a glacier at some point, or they'll be an off-hand mention from someone about unicorns and other weird things further inland.
Mance: Mormont, Snow, Tarly, Thorne. Ther're all just wachers on a wall
Jon: It's a beautiful dream, climbing the wall.
Mance: I'm not going to climb the wall. I'm going to break the wall.
So Dragonbinder burns the lungs, Horn of Winter (probably) freezes the lungs, I wonder if "Celtigars Horn" floods the lungs with water after use as payment? Drowns the user, you know? That'd be pretty cool.
Ice+Fire=Water. ASoIaF=ASoW. I got nothing lol.
+Justin Nguyen every single thing about asoiaf blows my mind
+iamverynicesir Euron has the Horn of winter, he is the reason why the white walkers will move south. not samwell
That'd be a great twist. It'd be really funny if Euron didn't realize he had the horn of winter and Samwell has dragonbinder.
@@iamverynicesir but we know his horn is dragonbinder because Moqorro translates the runes
"The Winds of Winter" makes sense now: musical instruments that are played by blowing are called"winds". and a horn _is_ a musical instrument.
Cold winds also blow during winter
@@salswordfish double entendre moment
I'm starting to feel like the Iron Born are way more important than we made them out to be.
Like, for every duality between Ice and Fire, somehow the Iron Born get in between as well.
Dragonbinder Horn of Winter... and also that Horn for Krakens.
Old gods god of light... and drowned god (although there's also the faith of the Seven, which is harder to connect that way)
White Walkers resurrecting dead lord of light resurrecting dead... and drowned men getting resurrected (what is dead may never die!)
The duality of fire dragons and either ice dragons or white walkers could even make sense for Krakens or Merfolk respectively
Those inky black castles that could be made from obsidian everywhere? Also in the Iron Isles.
Note also the use of "inky" there.
I'm starting to feel like there's some connections we're just missing.
The obvious counter argument is: song of ICE and FIRE doesn't mention WATER, which is perfectly reasonable. You could answer "yea but fire + ice = water", but that is a weak excuse. Point is: Water or the Iron Born shouldn't BE involved thematically, yet they kinda just are.
I dunno, I want to know more about these parallels, objects that are similar and motives that interact with eachother somehow. More random shit on the Iron Born.
@Sol Invictus now that you mention it, it makes perfect sense that they're involved in this story. Aren't the Iron Born descendants of the first men too? There has to be a reason they and their customs exist.
now that you've mentioned them. Hot take lol but what if... the horn of winter doesn't directly destroy the wall, but awaken the iron islands kraken and the kraken will destroy the wall 😆
Joramun's horn is actually a dank ass bong used for all the chilled kush they grow up north
Billy Bob Thorton's Pet Anchoive *White walker shows up* "Hey man, tried this stuff? You have a aura of negativity man, either replace those vibes or do4 send them towards me"
So Canada is what's North of the wall? Makes sense.
Always a good day when AltShiftX shows up on the subscription feed!
"Which sounds pretty sick"
Love hearing a fellow Aussie explain this, Australians are great at storytelling
I like how Varys's quote "Power resides where men believe it resides" is added in 5:18
The lighthouse tower in Oldtown is clearly based off the Lighthouse of Alexandria, which was one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World, especially when you consider that close to the lighthouse the Citadel has a vast library inspired by the Library of Alexandria, which was also close to the Lighthouse on Pharos. Ultimately the Lighthouse was destroyed by an earthquake (technically 3 earthquakes did the trick, but still). If Martin intends to destroy the Lighthouse in Oldtown, then perhaps blowing a repaired Horn of Joramun would destroy that man-made wonder like an earthquake. A Song of Ice and Fire does read like history, and it's part of the reason why it appeals to history buffs like myself and Nick Hodges, so who knows.
Considering Euron was said to be headed to Old town this could make sense, maybe sam or someone else tries to blow the old horn to warn people of the attack or something causing the Hightower to collapse. As you say, it would fit with history Euron taking the place of Caesar when his men burned the Library of Alexandria.
Sam is so going to be hero wizard by the end of the next book :-)
no way
He did want to be a wizard and the glass candles are burning once more.
+Dan Burke Given what we know about George wanting to break Tolkiens tropes, it would be really funny to see the hidden hero be a pudgy guy named Sam.
You're a wizard harry
+fiddlesticksop When/if Sam blows the horn and brings down the wall and calls himself a wizard, you bet your ass there's gonna be a gif of that somewhere on the internet.
Does the horn necessarily have to bring down the *entire* Wall? While it would be a devastating blow against Westeros to wield such power from the opposing side, it would still be extremely useful to merely blow a hole in the Wall, as long as it's large enough for an army to pass through. If that's the case, it's entirely possible that Joramun did use the horn to its full potential, and returning to normalcy after the fact was just a matter of repairs (which would still be a massive undertaking, of course, but all the same it would explain why the Wall still stands).
Please Do a video on either
-The Tattered Prince identity
- Eddard Stark is alive (Varys saved him) Its bull but a fun theory
- Who Daenerys three betrayals are
- Young Griff is fake/real
+Impslayer
- Probably a Blackfyre descendant.
- I'd like to believe that theory. Rip Eddard Stark.
- Mirri Maaz Dur, Jorah/Daario, Jon Snow.
- Blackfyre pretender.
Younes Abid
-Maybe but I heard a theory for that Lannister who was lost at sea
-I don't but it would be interesting.
- I don't think Mirri counts since like Viserys that was before the prophecy. I think Jorah might not count though he set one raven at Quarth.
I think its Jorah, Brown Ben, The last one hasn't happened yet and will likely be her undoing. My guess it will be Barristan Selmy or Tyrion Lannister. Jon is likely to meet Dany but probably not enough time is going to be left for a friendship then big betrayal
Unless the betrayals are her doing, like her to Viserys, her to Jorah and a third one yet to come
- Yeah, I think he's fake
+Impslayer Yeah, I heard that one about Gerion Lannister but I thought he would be the Shrouded Lord which would be the leader of the Stone Men.
This is pretty off topic but with you mentioning Brown Ben Plumm and the Tattered Prince it got me thinking about the Battle of Ice and the Battle of Fire which both will happen in the beginning of Winds of Winter but assuming that Winds of Winter is going to end on a pretty high note ( maybe the wall collapsing?) why didn't GGRM end ADWD with these 2 battles?
+Impslayer The betrayals being her doing is actually very interesting. Didn't think of that.
What about the three heads of the dragon?
Tyrion and John I guess.
Younes Abid Honestly the pacing of the last two books were a pretty big issue, we got too many chapters of wandering characters like Brienne, Sam, and Tyrion who don't accomplish much besides going from A-B nor have the character development of Brienne/Jaime adventure of book 3 to justify it. Overall there wasnt enough space due to the large number of storylines. We know the battle of ice is going to be this season. Apparently Jon v Ramsay is going to be a thing. I don't know if Mereen is getting a battle considering how sidelined mereen has been.
i think you missed, "the horn that wakes the sleepers", a line from the Night's Watch vows...
I think the "giants" that the horn "woke" from the ground WAS the Wall, I think the horn of winter has the power to build/repair the wall as well as bring it down. and that Sam, Jon, (or whoever has it at the time) will use it to repair the hole that the Night King made in the wall. but hey, that's just my thoughts on it~
that moment when you realise jon snow's lineage doesnt even make the top ten of awesome soiaf theories.
I'd absolutely love to see a video breaking down what Dany sees in the House of the Undying. I've gone back to that section so many times, and keep finding new details from her visions there!
I watched most of these lore videos for the first time in the two years between the seventh and the final season of the show and it reminds me how hopeful and excited I felt to see it all pay off.
I'm hearing impaired, so the fact that you take the time to add subtitles instead of keeping it automatic is awesome, thank you.
Your videos are seriously amazing. Thank you so much for being one of the channels that produce such high quality content :)
+michaelgtho Cheers mate! I try (:
or how i learned to stop worrying and love the wall
The real mystery of this series is TWOW's release date
Lucas don’t worry dude we still don’t know lmao
@@cflow2013
Fans in 2011: GRRM is NOT a freeloader, he would never take advantage of us!
*4 years later*
Fans: He is just having problems in organizing the chapters...
*7 years later*
Fans: Any day now...
*So much time passed that the narrator got tired and they had to hire a new one*
Fans: I KNOW THERE ISN'T A RELEASE DATE YET, LEAVE US ALONE
Soon there will have passed more time between the release of ADWD and TWOW than the time between AGOT and ADWD. A single book taking longer than all others combined...
@@GandalfGreyhame We still have another 6 years before that. GoT came or in 1996 and ADWD came out 15 years later in 2011. It's 'only' been nine years since then.
There is no release date after all this years
Recently when re-reading the series I read the part of Jon finding the dragon glass in the cloak and thought about how big they made this out to be yet it didn't really matter, what if Benjen happened across the Horn, realized what it was, and hid it so Mance wouldn't find it. The only reason Jon found it was because ghost dug it up, but why would he dig it up unless there was a scent, perhaps there was magical scent coming from the horn? Dire wolves are quiet magical creatures.
You're suggesting Benjen Stark took the horn from Winterfell and put it at the Fist of the First Men, which is certainly plausible, but why would Ben do that? Was there something significant he knew to prompt him to do that?
you are suggesting that the horn was for ben....but it was never confirmed :p
+ForeverTheSickestGamer Maybe the old gods told him to bring it with him when he left to join the watch
+ForeverTheSickestGamer Dunno. Maybe a certain three-eyed crow told him to in his dreams...
+ForeverTheSickestGamer Both in the show and the books, Benjen expresses some doubt when Ned tells him about the Night's Watchman who he beheads for desertion... Benjen almost seems to believe the man's story. Maybe he brought the horn with him because he thought he would need it, but was trapped at the fist by wildings or white walkers, so he buried it for someone to find later.
+Alt Shift X See Alt Shift X....this is where I am currently. Above I have stated that I think that the Three Eyed Crow had been speaking to Benjen for a long time....even when Benjen himself was a child at Winterfell.
I believe that the Three Eyed Crow encouraged Benjen Stark to join the Night's Watch. I believe that the Three Eyed Crow a.k.a. Bloodraven a.k.a. the Last Greenseer a.k.a. Brynden Rivers has Benjen Stark's body at the Heart Tree and plans to warg into it so that Bloodraven may leave the tree after he makes Bran the Last Greenseer in his place!
I believe that Bloodraven's Blackwood lineage and connection to the Old Gods grants him a great spiritual connection with the Starks. Also, Benjen had a grandmother, and Bran a great-grandmother from the Blackwood line, Melantha Blackwood, which would make Bloodraven a distant kinsman of sorts to Benjen and Bran. This leads me to also believe that the connection could also involve blood....even if it is very miniscule a blood connection could make a spiritual/mental connection stronger.
I love how you talk about "future books"!
The Wall will fall when the breastplate stretcher is found
Dude thank you so much for posting this video. This is one of the things I can't seem to wrap my mind around about what's going to happen. The Horn of Joramun and the Horn of Winter seem so important. It's nice to hear your take on it
Horn of Summer*
I know this comment is 8 years old. But after reading PoorQuentyns analysis of Euron and the upcoming battle at old town. It seems likely he takes the horn from Sam, climbs the Hightower, and blows it to bring down the wall
These much more regular uploads are really nice ! I'm guessing it's due to more patreon support.
+Lachie Hurburgh Yeah, vids are now more frequent thanks to my supporters on Patreon (:
Oh I wasn't expecting a response because you get thousands of comments ! Been watching for a long time now, hope you do some analysing of episodes or important scenes during or after season 6 is over.
The quality of your videos gets better and better, and the text is great as always! :D How about some Ice Dragon stuff next time?
The smartest Night's Watchman has the horn. Its better than anybody else having it.
I freak out a little whenever I get a notification for a new alt shift video
Everyone is all up in arms over the bad audio but I'm just like uhh it's fine?
IKR? I really do not get the problem people have with it. Granted, I'm not an expert on such things, but it sounds pretty crisp and clear to me.
+Twig ever since I first saw his videos the first thing I thought to myself was "wow this guy sounds very clear and literate" so yeah I don't understand why people complain
Yeah... plus he has the sexiest voice ever...
On my phone, it's very clear. However, on my computer it isn't, but I can still hear him just fine.
dude sounds like VaatiVidya, and that's not a bad thing at all.
OH MY GOD THANK YOU ALT SHIFT X I GET SO EXCITED WHEN ANY NEW VIDEO OF YOURS POPS UP THANK YOU SO MUCH AND KEEP ON MAKING VIDEOS!!
Hands down, this is the best GoT channel out there. We love the detail and it always gets us talking about the movie/books. Thank you
i could listen to you for hours, your voice is gold and on top of thatyou have the absolute best theories with even better arguments and best of all u use all those book quotes, man keep up the good work, and if you can, make more videos, at least one a day :D it can be about anything :D
Oh mu god, ITS ON THE COVER OF WINDS OF WINTER?!?!?!!?!?? My heart can't take it anymore. Game of thrones is truly the 8th wonder of this world. I swear GRRM is going to heaven for being such a goddamn genius and so entertaining. So much information in 5 books, how does one man come up and keep track of ALL OF THIS HISTORY??
how he does it?.. well he takes his fucking time XD
I love you, Alt Shift X. Keep doing what you're doing.
I watched all of Game of Thrones recently because I was given HBO as a Christmas gift from the cable company I work at. It's freaking awesome. Love it! And now that I've watched all of your videos, I'm going to read the books. You've convinced me. It sounds so great!
There has been too much build up for the wall NOT to tumble to the ground. It will happen.
+kuledinho Exactly. In literary terms the strong emphasis on the wall, the waning power of the Nights watch, the eventual glacial onslaught of the others- all point toward it falling or failing.
Assuming if the wall was built by the Others(creatures of Ice) they maybe don't need to actually destroy it. Just retake it or hijack somehow.
it happened :) you probably have seen the show as well
just as the throne has to burn in the end, the wall needs to fall. the two symbols of oppression and divide destroyed in the end to mark the beginning of a new age for westeros
The work that goes behind this, much appreciated man, I really love how much you put into your videos, keep up the good work! :)
Very Informative!
This came up in my recommended.
After watching it again...
It just made me so bummed out.
I haven't even thought about game of thrones since the final.
The last season literally killed my love for it.
I got this wave of nostalgia of how I use to feel about game of thrones.
The mystery.
The worldbuilding.
The anticipation.
Sigh....
Have you read the books? If not I'd strongly recommend it, even if you font like to read, there's audio books. If you ever loved Game of thrones, Its defo the way to go! 👍🏼
Read the books. They are brilliant. These videos were always about the books.
I've been super excited about this horn ever since I saw the cover of the next book. I have a strong feeling the Wall will collapse towards the end of this next season, and it's probably one of the major plot points from the books that they decided to follow in the show.
its not so much that im into game of thrones but im always blown away by the research and devotion you put into your videos
Wow, never realized how that mysterious horn which only surfaces from time to time might indeed become a big deal in the next book as it is apparently featured on the cover. Alt Shift X, you are just brilliant at approaching the small topics in detail and then bringing them in the broad context. Only problem is now I once again can't wait for the next book! :D
Cheers!
At least the wait for the next season isn't much longer (:
+Alt Shift X I'm torn between watching the show to know how it continues and not watching it to avoid (major) spoilers for the upcoming book. Still don't know what to do :(
@@TheAnakinn what have you done?
i fucking love your channel man thanks
Cheers mate!
+Alt Shift X Me too!
Bruh... Southron Ambitions
PLEASE
YES. We need that one.
I love your videos. They're so perfectly done! Informative and interesting. Please do an episode on Varys vs Baelish.
+AlterBridgeSurfa Cheers! Yeah the Patrons recently voted for a video on Varys... should be coming out later this month (:
I just finished the chapter where Jon found the horn a few hours ago. Coincidentally I see this video recommended.
Having more Alt Shift X has been great!
I love all your videos, but this is a particularly great one! Do you have any insights into the chapter where Tyrion is dragged to a near drowning by the stone man? And about the weird time warp that brings the Shy Maid back to the Bridge of Sorrows twice?
Yeah, that time warp was weird. It's like the Big Lipped Alligator Moment of the series. Apparently in an earlier draft of ADWD Tyrion was actually supposed to meet the Shrouded Lord in a dreamlike sequence and offer something to the SL in exchange for his life. Perhaps that was supposed to occur during the whole "time warp" thing. It also explains some unexplained oddities in Tyrion's chapters, as well as why he doesn't get greyscale when JonCon does.
+Sofia A - Yes yes yes - all of that! There's a point where I think Holden implies that the Shrouded Lord can choose who gets the greyscale and will grant a "boon" to whomever can make him laugh. I also heard a theory that the current SL is actually Tyrion's favorite uncle who went to Essos in seach of the family's Valyrian sword and never returned. When Tyrion loudly announces his true identity and that he killed not only Tywin but Joffrey, I've heard some speculation that this resulted in the SL zapping him back to the bridge and then later having yet another change of heart. I really REALLY wish GRRM had left in the full SL chapter, and if not, had left out some of the bizarreness of this passage - unless of course he intends to explain it later through a dream or flashback.
***** It's the chapter in ADWD where Tyrion and the crew of the Shy Maid pass through the Sorrows and are attacked by stone men. There's really weird moment where the Shy Maid passes underneath the Bridge of Dreams (where the stone men like to hang) unharmed, and then moments later passes by familiar landmarks they had already passed earlier, and underneath the Bridge of Dreams again, and that is when the stone men attack. So, basically, the boat was somehow transported upriver again.
+Alexandra Bull It's Ch. 18, Tyrion V of A Dance with Dragons: awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/A_Dance_with_Dragons-Chapter_18
I can't say enough how much I enjoy your content. Keep 'em coming mate!!
Perfect birthday present there, Alt.
Happy name day Isak!
+Isak Källsmyr Happy birthday! That last name though, where are you from?
Sweden, don't judge us by our weird letters
Isak Källsmyr I'll try not to, thx.
+Mitchell Terrell Well, that escalated quickly.
Another excellent video! I thought that the audio was a bit low - I had to turn up my speakers a decent bit. But the sound itself was clear.
Ohh 2016, you were so young and innocent!
The show burnt all this awesome theories...our faith lies in the books now. We will wait 6 or 7 years more...
Perhaps one blast of Joramun's Horn awakens giants from the earth; two blasts to nullifies the magic woven into the Wall, and three blasts breaches the Wall if you're within range. That's a theory I propose for Joramun's Horn. I mean the Night's Watch does have a horn code system: one blast for rangers; two blasts for wildlings; three blasts for White Walkers.
NEW VIDEO!! AHHHHH I CAMEEEEE
me too and its all over the screen
+Ty Noguchi Bit too much..
I honestly don't even care that these have spoilers, I just really like all the information you provide in here
What if the Celtigar's horn works!?!? (I have always wondered that!)
Anyway, what if Benjen Stark was the one who buried the cache? (if the Horn of Winter were indeed kept in Winterfell).
This could connect to a theory that I have about Benjen Stark's whereabouts and why he joined the Night's Watch.
I think that like his nephew Bran, Benjen Stark was visited by the Three Eyed Crow a.k.a. Bloodraven and that Bloodraven could have persuaded him to join the Night's Watch and to bring the Horn of Winter with him....?...!
*You see, I think that Bloodraven has Benjen at the great Heart Tree and plans to use Benjen's body to live again....after Bloodraven makes Bran the Last Greenseer/"Weirwood King" in his place!*
to live again? isnt bloodraven alredy alive anyway?
+sam uel Well barely, he is more or less trapped in the tree. He would need a new body.
+Aaron Small well yeah
+sam uel I wouldn't mind that. ALL HAIL HIS GRACE BRYNDEN TARGARYEN!!
+eli odum BUT I am hoping that Bran somehow wargs into Benjen Stark's body instead, takes Dark Sister (which I am sure Bloodraven has in his possession) and becomes Azor Ahai to thwart the Others!!! :-)
I really admire the amount of work that seems to be put into these. Keep the good work up.
Well this goes in the bin
As always, good video. You explain very well.
I wonder if there is a fourth horn. One summons Krakens (Water), one controls Dragons (Fire), One causes earth quakes and awakens giants from the (Earth).
+Brandon Domin Maybe one summons storms (Air)?
Awesome stuff! Thanks Alt Shift X!
What if blowing the Horn of Winter awakes Ice Dragons and when its blown Ice Dragons that were frozen into the Wall awake and break it apart? That might be where the "Horn beaks the wall" comes from and the "Awoke giants from the earth" is?
Bananas Irene well mate, you got one ICE DRAGON 😣
I love your videos man. Your format and information are great!
GOT writers forgot about this!
Forbes Media
I was just thinking the same thing. I'm so upset at the amount of things earlier seasons set up that I doubt will ever pay off because they're just throwing stuff out now, like The Horn of Winter, Quathe, maybe even implications of the House of the Undying bits to make room for action. How depressing 😢
I really hope I'm wrong.
These videos were never really about the show, imo.
Such high quality. Best of luck, keep it up.
Did the tv show just kinda forget about that horn that Sam found?
Awesome!!! The Horn of Joramun is one of things I can't wait to hear more of!
That and Rhaegar's Silver Harp :D
I've come from the future to tell you the war horn has absolutely zero significance to anything.
Wrong, Euron blows it from atop the Hightower.
my stummy hurt The wall will fall as a result, so there’s like a tiny bit of significance, on account of them white walkers invading the world and all.
True for the show. Not the books
Show
true but this video is about the books not the shitty tv show
Whoa, I was just rewatching your older videos and pondering how awesome it would be when the next is released. "And here we are!"
The destruction of the Arme of Dhorne, The Doom of Valyeria, and blowing the horn of winter sound awfully similar events. The doom was 14 volcanos all erupting at once, but no one knows why or how.
The horn to sound the Kraken is probably a tall tale, but it would fit within the themes of the story.
The Song of Ice and Fire, the wall and Valyeria, the Starks and Targaeryans. But what about Euron, the dude who doesn't care about any of that. The one who is possibly more of a threat than the others.
He is a Kraken, his goals from what we know are that he wants to summon something (possibly the Kraken) in the next book.
Summoning natural disasters seems like horns MO at this point. Maybe the Kraken Horn will summon a massive wave
.p
Love your game of throne videos you do so much research! Keep them up man!!
Could it be possible that Benjen Stark while visiting Winterfell in the first book could have taken the horn from the crypts and buried it with the other stuff which Sam later finds?
Amazing video as usual. Glad you're picking up on all of the things most of us look right past.
Can't wait until the next video! Maybe one about the conspiring of the Tyrells and the deeper history behind what this opportunistic ruling family has been up to in The Reach and beyond?
You should do a video on Valyria, the Doom, Valyrian steel and it's relevance to the ending
I love your videos, they make me want to read the books. Don't stop making them!
Perhaps the horn WAS in Winterfell ...and then Benjen took it to the wall with him in book one.
I see others have suggested this idea. I'm comfortable with that.
Always love the thoroughness of your vids. Cheers!
The horn will start the rumbling
Awesome channel man! Been binging all weekend on your content. Top class!
+Alt Shift X please make a video about the pink letter
Just realized that waking giants in the earth is actually describing earthquakes , the horn creates earthquakes when blown
Yup. That is just what I was thinking.
The horn can cause an earthquake. It is able to breach the wall or sever a land bridge…
And Sam has it.
Could cause a tsunami and wipe out a fleet? Needs a blood sacrifice?
Who needs horns when you have dragons
The single most insightful piece I've ever heard about the Horn of Winter.
george rr martin made so many lore , no wonder he is taking so long to finish the winds of winter
Quite a comprehensive grasp of this world you have.
I have read all books multiple times and can only recall a fraction of what you have presented here.
Misspent youth I guess.
New Theory:
Maybe Tormund's "Member" is a Horn of Winter and Brienne will Blow it?
:D :D :D
Brienne isn't in the North.
Emperor Palkatine
I mean the show's last episode
Giorgi Kelbakiani well youtube has a lot of members
Could still happen in Season 7!
or maybe you will
Wow this was exactly the right length for me to watch while changing my duvet cover
Maybe it's gonna be like Lord of Rings when all the mystical creatures woke up including the trees to defeat the orcs , and all old magic in the north will awaken. Athens when the one who was promise comes defeats the other. Magic will slowly disappear again and all mystical creatures and and magic will go away.
That's a little too cliche. GRRM has been very clear that this wont turn out to be very predictable.
excellent work as always Alt. You certainly know your stuff