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Yes, now I want to hear how you spent / invested the money! Well done on the salary progression, and I hope that your new job after Facebook has been well worth it! 😉
Thank you! I think it's very important and awesome of you to share this information. I once worked in India and noticed strangers casually asking each other what they did for a living and how much they made. I realized immediately that no one back in America had any idea how to negotiate for a salary because they didn't know what anyone else made, and I returned to America with a mission to do my little part in changing this cultural habit. Well done.
Looking this video from Italy, knowing the average paycheck for senior engineer, it's really hard. Congrats to you my friend for your astonishing achievements.
In Brazil, as a Middle Level Fullstack developer, I make 13000 USD a year give or take, each year you might get 100 USD raise if you get a good company.
Congrats to you, especially this quickly out of college. As a UW engineering grad (MSE) and a Seattle/Bellevue resident for the past 16 years, I gotta say this huge imbalance of salary compared to other industries in the area has had a hugely negative effect on cost of living. I've worked in manufacturing in the area for the length of my career and that level of pay is only for directors and VP's of those companies. Sad to say, but the huge influx of tech jobs in my beloved WA state is what will eventually have me relocate in the very near future.
@@Astrothunder_ Not when you're a single income family living in Bellevue. I'm barely within the middle class range, and single family homes are going for well above $1 million on average over here. It's truly insane.
@@kyleb3580 Doesn't the cost of living almost balance this out? Remote work is on the rise, which is nice, but I have heard others basically feeling like they're living paycheck to paycheck with Six Figures in california.
@@bobbobber9211 I live in a low-wage, low cost-of-living country in southern Europe. While it's great that my rent and food are relatively cheap, there are some things that don't vary that much in price from country to country, or are even more expensive here. Things like a litre of petrol cost more or less the same in Spain as they do in the UK. Also, tools you need for your job, electronic goods, things like that, are not cheaper. A €2,000 iMac could be two months' net salary for a graphic designer here, while their counterpart in the US might be able to pay for it with just a week's labour. Another difference to consider is that, even with a proportionally higher cost of living, the absolute amount that people are able to save in higher-wage countries could easily be an order of magnitude greater. If I'm able to put away a couple of hundred a month for a rainy day, someone in Norway, the US, or UAE might be putting away a couple of thousand a month. Even an average skilled worker in the US probably *saves* more in a year than their counterparts are able to *earn* doing similar work elsewhere.
I worked at FIS (US company noted on Nasdaq, fintech stuff) branch in Sweden. After 10 years of experience as a C++ and Python dev I earned about $5000 per month lol (plus 16% pension saved in my name per month or something like that). The numbers you mention in the video are insane. Although I guess in the US expenses are absolutely ridiculous. Especially in California you pay as much taxes as we do in Sweden but you don't get free healthcare or tuition. And housing over there is insane of course. I had a $600 per month rent for a 3 room apartment.
Thanks for sharing this! 😁 This really sheds some light on some of the differences that need to be considered when comparing pay by region. For instance, my rent was about 4x that, tuition for a 4 year CS degree can be anywhere from like 30k to 200k USD (although usually on the lower end of that if you stay in state), and healthcare is certainly not free (although like I mentioned in the video Meta does have pretty solid insurance for its US employees). At the end of the day, I do think the US is probably the place where software engineers can save the most money, but salaries alone definitely don't tell the whole story.
Taxes are generally lower in America and that's why pay is so much higher. The market just has less government involved friction. And we prefer it this way.
@@farzana6676 that used to be true. but california for example (including federal and state taxes) now has higher income tax (highest tax bracket), corporate tax and capital gains tax than for example sweden. also there is no gift or estate tax in sweden whereas in the US it’s like 40%. furthermore, the regulatory burdens are higher in california than in almost all european high tax countries. what used to be the land of the free is low the land of the highly taxed and highly regulated.
@@Bcutter Yeah I agree but that's only California and New York. That's why there's a mass exodus out of these two states. That's why this dude got this job in Seattle Washington where there are zero state taxes(he probably pays around 25% in total federal taxes & social security.) Great thing about America, if the liberals make some shitty regulatory and taxation policy, you just move to another State. You won't believe the numbers of Californians and New Yorkers coming to Texas and Florida. It's crazy, everywhere I look it's Californians here in Austin.
@@farzana6676 yeah i think that’s what’s gonna happen in the future. california and new york will be drained of all entrepreneurial or ambitious people. and i agree, that is what is great about the US. let the stupid states suffer the consequences of their poor decisions
Totally agree salary transparency is sooo important. You're doing the world a huge favor by normalizing talking about pay. I also have a video where interviewed Meta employees how much money they make. The salary info people shared kinda blew my mind.
Everyone complaining about how little their geographical area and companies pay, I’m a lead technical recruiter in California. Yes, it’s true that tech giants pay a lot. However, keep in mind: 1. All other industries in the United States don’t pay this high. It’s a niche for FAANG and tech start ups to pay out, which also contributes to mass layoffs when the company under performs ie, they can only afford to when the stockholders are happy. It’s a volatile and stressful risk if you have a family to provide for. 2. Cost of living is insanely high in Northern California. You have to make $200k USD to live a decent life so it’s unrealistic to compare their salary when it costs 100x more for the same standard of living as you’re getting. If you make less than $150k there, you’re sharing a small apartment, not living alone and not close to owning a home. 3. Stop bitching, increase your value add.
I agree that we should stop bitching and add our value add. However you don't get job stability when you have a normal/low pay somewhere else. So, it's better to get a high pay even when the job might not be stable.
I think you should be able to talk about anything, even salary. A low salary doesn't mean anything bad. People can still be happy and that's the thing that counts. I don't need 1000's of dollars as salary when I work very little and still have money left to do some fun stuff.
This is awesomely transparent and super helpful! $75k signing bonus though?? I mean, I believe you, but that is an absolutely astronomical number. That is well over the annual gross salary for a low-level dev in the Midwest.
Yeah it’s pretty ridiculous. At some point I think Facebook learned they can attract talent away from other big tech companies without increasing salaries much (i.e. long term expenses) by just giving a big signing bonus. It’s just a recruiting expense to them. For a while they even gave out a good number of 100k signing bonuses to returning interns.
@@ConnerArdman Holy smokes…I could pay my house off instantaneously. With that said, the tech space is a little shifty right now. Especially for the big companies. I am terrified of jinxing it, but - I am in love with my role to the point that, even while making far less that amounts referenced in this video, it would take a lot to make me jump ship. The fit is a dream, they value people, and I feel a bit safer than I might at Google. I know it’s contextually fuzzy, but what are your thoughts on that sort of value? I’ve been a freelance dev for over a decade and just two years ago devoted myself to a stellar edtech company.
Once you can afford to pay your bills and live a comfortable life, I'd value the other benefits a lot more personally. It sounds like you've got a pretty great gig! Also, once you account for the cost of living in the Midwest vs. SF/Seattle/NYC, the pay difference is much less. For example, that $100k signing bonus wouldn't even be a down payment on a house here unless you want to live in a rundown 1920's shack or have a 1hr+ commute to work.
Good info. I watched lots of other videos on FB salary, and all talked about 500k ~ 600k TC/year. Your number looks much more reasonable to me, and also more aligned with my offer (I declined it though)
My salary of a full time self-driving cars machine learning developer with 2 years experience in one Russian company is 32k USD/year. And I have masters in data science and two publications. International salary gap is overwhelming.
@@farzana6676 I don't know where to go. I don't want to go to any city that is in autocracy, or joined anti-Russian sanctions, or has lower living standards than Moscow does. I can't find any city that satisfies my 3 simple requirements.
My brother in law works in Meta right now. He’s told me that the employees should be paid more for the amount of work they do. The perks are nice though. But the pay for the amount of work could be better.
are you kidding me??? these techies get paid more than nurses!!! how is that even right?! techies should be paid less....i mean RNs don't make bad money but they definitely deserve some of these good perks that these techies have like free food in the office, free health/wellness money for the gym, etc!!!
@@11pinkie11 more demand more value techies should earn kore because engineers and scientists are at the centre of the world without them no industry could stand.they also have more knowledge and brain than some mere nurses lol.🤣
You know what makes me feel good, I didn’t go to college and got hired at a paper mill as a production tech. I worked my ass off and really learned the skill and task at hand and moved up the ranks quickly. I live in Buffalo New York where the cost of living is pretty low. After 2 years there I was making 140k a year. I am hourly and work about 60 hours a week so I do make 15-20 hours a week overtime. Now if you stayed at Facebook for a long time you would blow my salary away but I also get cost of living increase every year and a lot of benefits including 2 bouns’s a year which comes out to be 20-25k a year. So all and all my main point is hard work and a beastly motivation in life can get you far. You don’t need to be an engineer to bring in a 150k a year salary. But awesome video and congrats for your success 👍
That's awesome, big congrats on all your success! I couldn't agree more. I think there can be an over-romanticizing of tech/engineering when in reality there are tons of other ways to make a great living 😊
@@ConnerArdman at the end of the day in 20 years my salary probably won’t break past 200k but your will probably be more like 500k lol. Congrats to us both. Anyone reading this, all it takes is hard work and a mastery of a skill set & never taking no for an answer.
@@nicholasbarrett7131 in my experience the biggest issue we have with most companies nowadays is hard work + skill is not rewarded.... HR seems to be the biggest issue in my eyes if you are friends/drinking buddies/related i have seen more people get promotions wage increases etc... also the belief that degrees equate to being a more likely skilled employee i make good money but I'll be honest cards had to all line up in order for this to happen and I ended up being in the right place at the right time...
@@wnxdafriz The great thing about America is that you can always change jobs or change States. There are just so many opportunities out there. From Austin to California, to Miami.
Wow, they pay so well! I"m an old X software engineer of long ago (no longer in the field) but how good of a resume do you figure one must have to get hired at FB? Obviously, they are looking for the cream of the crop! Also, being so young and having a lot of funds around how did that make you feel after a while?
Yeah the bar is definitely high for hiring, but it's hard to quantify and they are much more interested in your ability to solve technical interview questions than the resume itself. That said, a huge portion of my coworkers either went to a highly ranked CS university or came from another FAANG company, so the resume certainly helps (probably just for getting the initial interview though). As for how the income made me feel, that's an interesting question. Initially, there was definitely a shock factor that was pretty exciting and validating. Although that quickly wore off and it just felt "normal". I'd say the only feeling I'd associate with it is the feeling of freedom and security. I don't really need to worry about paying rent or buying food, and I have the freedom to not say no to things purely out of financial necessity (at least within reason obviously). There's definitely a point where I don't think it has any measurable impact on my current life though. I'd basically live the exact same way making 100k as I would making 250k, just without the benefit of potentially retiring early.
I had only been at the company for 4 months, so I don’t know if these refresher numbers are a great data point to generalize. I think in general they give pretty standard refreshers.
I would like to give you a video content idea. You can make an interview simulation just like you are doing with Clement :) It will be amazing for your subscribers.
$118k, which you made in your first year, is twice what I make as a CS grad/software engineer in Sweden with 10 years experience, and I pay 65% tax on that, when you account for the 25% sales tax on everything I buy. No signing bonus or stock options. I do get a bonus but it’s only around 3k per year and of course the government steals 2/3rds of that. A lot of that is due to Sweden having a shit currency though. I’m in the process of moving to Denmark where I can still only get $103k per year but still a lot better than this shithole.
Salaries and taxes between the US and Sweden aren’t really comparable, because there are so many other factors at play. For example, my university degree to be qualified for this job cost ~$130k, where it would be free in Sweden. Expectations for vacation days, parental leave, etc. are much lower in the US than Sweden. Rent in Seattle is -50% higher than Stockholm from what I can find online. Healthcare is extremely expensive here, and that can even be true with the very good corporate insurance. That’s not to say it isn’t still amazing money, because it is. But it doesn’t go nearly as far as you’d think either.
These numbers don’t say anything if not also cost of living is revealed. An 8000/month can make you a poor sucker if your house sets you back 5000/month and a loaf of bread cost 10 bucks.
The cost of living in Seattle is high, but not nearly as high as the bay area. There's no state income tax which helps a lot, and you can easily get your rent in the 2000-2500 range (or lower with roommates, or much higher of course if you get something super nice). I'll probably make a video on my exact expenses eventually, but even on the intern salary I think most reasonable people without outside major expenses would still be able to save a good percentage while living well in Seattle.
I was in Seattle, although my understanding is that at the time offers were the same between Seattle and MPK. I _think_ Seattle salaries are like 5% lower than MPK now, but I'm not completely sure. Whatever the difference is, it definitely doesn't account for the difference in taxes and cost of living.
I need to apply to Facebook! Crap. I never followed through with recruiters from Amazon/Facebook/Google and I have a computer science degree from the same school, UW. After 13 years of professional experience, I have never made anything remotely close to what you made in your first year. Well, I am not dead yet. Graduated near 2008. This video makes me equally sad and motivated, such strange emotions. Lol
I mean my base salary has exceeded what you mentioned, but total compensation. I think you missed the part of the stock options not actualizing? Since it was on a 4 year vesting cycle? Or I'm likely mistaken?
Thats awesome mate, thank you for sharing Facebook sounds cool, , thanks for sharing, quick question is it possible land a gig at Facebook (Meta) without a CS Degree but holding a Frontend and AlgoExpert Cert. Is it possible for one to get a shot to an interview as a SWE with the CS degree, if so how can one go about it, and during your time at Facebook did u work with any SWE without CS Degrees?
Yeah I worked with plenty of people without CS degrees. Many had related degrees (math, engineering, etc.), but there were a few with completely unrelated degrees. Getting interviews in this case can be difficult, but it’s not impossible. If you’ve had other developer jobs or went to a bootcamp, focus on that with the resume. If not, try to make some impressive projects to focus on. Really the goal is just to find a way to demonstrate that you can be as productive of a software engineer as someone who has a CS degree.
Thanks for sharing , that's really cool , can you provide us please on how to apply in facebook internship (especially for non US residents and if there's any more relative details) and tahnks ☺
It isn't any different than any other company, you just apply on their website or through a recruiter/career fair if you have one. I think the applications for most tech internships tend to start opening up around September when all of the US universities are back in session. From there it's just about your resume and a few coding interviews.
What? I live in east europe ..the most people are making around 400$ a month this means 4800$ a year. While that we import most of the goods and they cost even more. Take the iphone in usa here is like 20% more so yeah. I'm glad you guys have a decent life but I pity us.
Yes. In the US, it's generally illegal for a company to prevent employees from discussing wages and whatnot due to the National Labor Relations Act as well as some state laws. I also never signed anything saying otherwise even if that would be enforceable. I'm always _very_ careful with contracts that I sign. This video is also a few years old, so if they cared they would have done something about it by now lol. Disclaimer: I'm obviously not a lawyer, this is just my interpretation of how things work.
I have a video on this, but I really didn’t work that much tbh. I probably averaged around 30 hours a week, and I don’t think I ever worked over 50 hours in a single week. That said, it can vary a lot from person to person and team to team. I certainly knew people who worked 40-60 hours every week.
how did you find the List of salaries that your peers are making? if you can share Link or if it's hosted somewhere please share it will be a great help.
When I was an intern someone started a Google Sheet and shared it with all of the interns. I don’t think I have that anymore, but it had a few hundred return offer details for different positions. From my experience levels.fyi is very accurate though.
Thanks you so much Connor I would like to know what type of project to make as a front-end to get my resume shortlisted I m currently making e commerce in mern stack but doubt that going to be enough to stand out
Honestly I don’t think it matters too much. Unless you’ve turned a project into a legitimate business or something else super impressive, specific projects probably won’t make you stand out more than others. Just do projects that you find interesting and that use a similar tech stack to the companies/roles you are applying to. Bonus points of course if you are creative and do something other than the common generic projects.
I am interested what is your Take-Home pay, because in Serbia, when we are signing contract, we are agreeing on take-home pay, and not payment before taxes. If you are located in California, I calculated around $150,000 take-home pay. Is that correct?
Yeah I want to eventually make a detailed video breaking down my expenses/cost of living. But the short version is that living in Seattle I paid no state/local income taxes. Rents in areas near the tech offices for decent apartments tend to be 2k-3k if you don't want a roommate (although of course they can get cheaper or way more expensive). One nice perk of working at companies like Facebook is you don't really need to pay for much else if you don't have any other major financial responsibilities. Food was free 5 days a week (excluding covid times when the office was closed of course), healthcare/insurance was very good and close to free, they paid for our gym memberships, and they paid for our public transit cards so living near downtown it was easy to not own a car. I'd say all in, I probably spent 3-5k per month during my time at Facebook as a full time employee, with some months higher than others. I probably could have gotten that lower if I really tried, but that was a spending level I was pretty comfortable with.
@@ConnerArdman How many hours did you put in per week? Great salary though regardless but if you were doing extremely long days all the time then it makes sense.
I didn’t actually work that much honestly. Most weeks I worked around 30 hours, just with an occasionally more stressful week if I was launching some new feature. I don’t think I ever worked more than ~50 hours in a single week though. This is very, very team and individual dependent though. There certainly are people working 60+ hours a week, but I never felt a need to. I probably could have really grinded to get even higher bonuses, but I was more interested in my sanity. It also comes down to time management. I tried to be really good at not wasting working hours. I actually have a whole video on that if you’re interested 🙃
@@ConnerArdman Fair play then. I can imagine some working 15hour days though. In that case the money isn't that good when you consider the hours. Excellent in your case though!
Reason people don't share salaries sometimes is because is stresses people like myself out who own a business and take risks as well as the huge start up cost. Tech workers are paid to much, plain and simple.
Yeah levels.fyi has data about a bunch of different roles. For non-engineering roles in tech (pm, design, etc), the salaries tend to be fairly similar but with less stock/signing bonus. Outside of the tech org (ops, recruiting, sales, etc), it can vary a lot by role, but most are significantly less than engineering.
Dang as a remote Software Engineer I make pretty much that much and I live in a super low cost area. My salary is low around 83k but our bonus is well over 90k. We make more in bonus than salary. Any good .NET engineers want a job? Seriously! We are hiring!
I’m not sure the comparison makes perfect sense, because the cost or living in US tech cities is so much higher. That said, the cost of living difference almost definitely doesn't account for the whole difference in pay 😔. Software engineers in the US do just tend to make a lot more than in most other countries, even those with higher costs of living.
@@ConnerArdman Yeah man! This is right too. But, here in Pakistan, some of the fresh graduates start their first job at just $4600/year. There is no comparison with US
@@ConnerArdman I think the quality of life you live in USA will cost the same in India. We think the cost living in India is low because we compromise with the quality of life. If we live with the same quality it will cost the same as USA.
The terms are pretty much interchangeable. There is some interesting history there, because in some countries the term "engineer" can only be used if you have a specific certification (similar to how you must pass The Bar Exam in the US to be an attorney). Because of this, I think the term developer tends to be more common outside of the US, while engineer seems to be the preferred term in the US where such requirements don't exist. At the end of the day, it's the same job though. I've never seen a company hire both software engineers and software developers as different positions. At Facebook I worked in the privacy organization. I'm actually not too sure what I can/cannot say (I don't think I signed any NDAs, but honestly I don't remember fully), but broadly speaking I worked on internal tools used by legal/policy/etc. to manage and mitigate any privacy incidents that might happen. For the most part I worked on the frontend, so I built user-interfaces that these people would use for their day-to-day work.
I guess it depends on what you mean by "average". This is pretty typical (although still a bit on the high side) for big tech companies in Seattle, New York or The Bay Area. At the "target" CS universities in the US, getting these jobs is fairly common. At schools that are less heavily recruited from, it's a lot less common to land these jobs, but it's still possible. Outside of the major tech hub cities, compensation tends to be a lot lower, but the cost of living also tends to be a lot lower. Of course this is still a range and it has plenty of outliers. I've heard everything from new grad software engineers in the US making like $40k all the way up to $300k+ at some hedge funds. I'd guess if you took the median of all of them, it would be somewhere in the $80k-$120k range though, because the vast majority don't live in these expensive tech hubs and don't work for FAANG-like companies.
Probably around 30. Occasionally more, occasionally less, but never more than ~50 in a single week. It’s very individual/team dependent though. There certainly were people working way more than me.
I have a video on why I quit, but it had nothing to do with work life balance. It was more just about the type of work I was interested in doing and a really cool opportunity to join AlgoExpert that I didn't want to pass up. As far as work life balance is concerned, I probably averaged about 30 hours/week. I don't think I ever worked over 50 hours in a week, and certainly never got anywhere near 80.
Self taught developers absolutely can get jobs as software engineers, but it is much harder. You will be competing with people from bootcamps and universities, so you have to find another way to stand out. I think going from self-taught without a degree to a FAANG or similar job is pretty unrealistic, but you can certainly work your way up to it over time.
I have a whole video on this, but the TL:DR is I left to join AlgoExpert. It wasn’t anything against Facebook, this opportunity just excited me more and more closely aligned with my personal goals.
@Not Applicable That's hard to answer, because it's hard to quantify what is "difficult." In comparison to other major FAANG companies, I'd say there isn't really any major difference. But in comparison to the average random non software engineering job, it's considerably more difficult. To try to give you something more useful, I'd say there are three components that create "difficulty" in landing a job at Facebook (assuming we are just referring to software engineering): 1. You have to learn to code. I think just about anyone can do this with enough time and effort, but it is an obvious barrier to entry for any software engineering job. 2. You have to pass a resume screen. Most of the people I worked with had CS degrees from highly-ranked universities, although that's not the only way to succeed in this step. I met plenty of people who didn't have those degrees but instead went to bootcamps or had some other path. Regardless though, there was always something that stood out on the resume to indicate that they could have potential to be a really strong software engineer. 3. You have to pass technical coding interviews (and maybe system design depending on level). For most, this requires a good bit of study, because these styles of interviews are a bit adjacent to your standard coding skills and the bar is fairly high. For full-time, there are usually 5 of these interviews, but interns usually only have 2.
I live in Seattle, so there are no state income taxes. Here’s a good calculator for take home pay that’s been fairly accurate in my experience: smartasset.com/taxes/income-taxes I paid roughly 25% of my income in taxes, but it’s hard to get an exact number because I never spent a full calendar year working at just Facebook. Expenses in Seattle are also a lot lower. As a single person without other major financial obligations (medical expenses, bad debt, etc) I found I can live very comfortably on about $3000-$4000 per month. If I had to I could probably get that down to around $2000 living with roommates and lowering my standard of living. I don’t think I could spend much more than around $5000 a month living reasonably, but again ymmv based on your life situation and spending habits. I might make a breakdown video of my expenses if there is enough interest, but generally it’s probably in that range.
I left FB, but at the time I worked around 30 hours a week usually, with occasional longer weeks (never more than ~50 hours). I have a full video on this if you’re interested 😀
I have a whole video on this, but the TL;DR is I joined AlgoExpert and created the FrontendExpert product. This just felt like an opportunity to have a lot more "impact" with my work and something I was really excited to work on.
I have a whole video on it, but the TL;DR is that I left to join AlgoExpert and make the FrontendExpert product. Nothing against FB, but I just wanted to work on something that I felt like I would have more impact on.
Paying this much a young millennial or GenZ does not make business sense. They jump ship too fast. 18 month cliff before handing out shares should be the standard.
This is actually fairly standard for big US tech company interns. Since it's usually just 10-12 weeks, I think companies mostly see it as the cost of recruiting in a competitive space (and of course they do get some value out of the work interns do, but probably not enough to warrant their pay given the cost of training/mentoring them).
Do you believe that given your contribution to the driving engine of society that's kept running by firefighters, electricians, truck drivers, and nurses, that people like you deserve that high of a salary? Do you believe that what you contribute to the world is worth 100k/ year?
Yes, it’s called supply and demand. He is getting paid that amount because their is so few people that can do what he does. The inverse is true for those other occupations.
Curious why software engineers in the United States are able to make so much more than many other countries?
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Yes, now I want to hear how you spent / invested the money! Well done on the salary progression, and I hope that your new job after Facebook has been well worth it! 😉
Lol I’d say it’s going well so far 😁🚀
No we dont
@@ConnerArdman New company name??
@@guapeousa sounds like Aloe Dessert. not to be confused with its competitor Pete Chode
Thank you! I think it's very important and awesome of you to share this information. I once worked in India and noticed strangers casually asking each other what they did for a living and how much they made. I realized immediately that no one back in America had any idea how to negotiate for a salary because they didn't know what anyone else made, and I returned to America with a mission to do my little part in changing this cultural habit. Well done.
Interesting, I didn't realize that was specific to American culture 🤔
I'm sure many cultures are uncomfortable talking about salaries, but apparently, not all of them.
Looking this video from Italy, knowing the average paycheck for senior engineer, it's really hard.
Congrats to you my friend for your astonishing achievements.
In Japan, a fresh grad engineer will make around 25,000 USD a year. Each year they might get a 2-5% raise. That’s it. No other incentives.
In Brazil, as a Middle Level Fullstack developer, I make 13000 USD a year give or take, each year you might get 100 USD raise if you get a good company.
@@HowlingBird Damn that's messed up. You need to move to America
Strange. Everybody thinks of Japan as equal to Switzerland.
Congrats to you, especially this quickly out of college. As a UW engineering grad (MSE) and a Seattle/Bellevue resident for the past 16 years, I gotta say this huge imbalance of salary compared to other industries in the area has had a hugely negative effect on cost of living. I've worked in manufacturing in the area for the length of my career and that level of pay is only for directors and VP's of those companies. Sad to say, but the huge influx of tech jobs in my beloved WA state is what will eventually have me relocate in the very near future.
You’re a an engineer with a masters? If anything you’re part of the problem as I’m sure you’re making bank dude.
@@Astrothunder_ Not when you're a single income family living in Bellevue. I'm barely within the middle class range, and single family homes are going for well above $1 million on average over here. It's truly insane.
@@ericwood9961 I live in Bellevue but do industrial real estate. The pay is pretty good and not labor intensive.
As an intern you earned around as much as a senior developer with 6+ years of experience does in the UK. This is insane.
The UK has horrendous pay for the same level of work. I left that country for California as soon as I realized this.
@@kyleb3580 Doesn't the cost of living almost balance this out? Remote work is on the rise, which is nice, but I have heard others basically feeling like they're living paycheck to paycheck with Six Figures in california.
@@dragoon9554 It absolutely does. My country, one of the wealthiest in the world, has a 50% smaller rent average compared to the US.
@@bobbobber9211 I live in a low-wage, low cost-of-living country in southern Europe. While it's great that my rent and food are relatively cheap, there are some things that don't vary that much in price from country to country, or are even more expensive here. Things like a litre of petrol cost more or less the same in Spain as they do in the UK. Also, tools you need for your job, electronic goods, things like that, are not cheaper. A €2,000 iMac could be two months' net salary for a graphic designer here, while their counterpart in the US might be able to pay for it with just a week's labour.
Another difference to consider is that, even with a proportionally higher cost of living, the absolute amount that people are able to save in higher-wage countries could easily be an order of magnitude greater. If I'm able to put away a couple of hundred a month for a rainy day, someone in Norway, the US, or UAE might be putting away a couple of thousand a month. Even an average skilled worker in the US probably *saves* more in a year than their counterparts are able to *earn* doing similar work elsewhere.
Talent is not the same though.
I worked at FIS (US company noted on Nasdaq, fintech stuff) branch in Sweden. After 10 years of experience as a C++ and Python dev I earned about $5000 per month lol (plus 16% pension saved in my name per month or something like that). The numbers you mention in the video are insane. Although I guess in the US expenses are absolutely ridiculous. Especially in California you pay as much taxes as we do in Sweden but you don't get free healthcare or tuition. And housing over there is insane of course. I had a $600 per month rent for a 3 room apartment.
Thanks for sharing this! 😁 This really sheds some light on some of the differences that need to be considered when comparing pay by region. For instance, my rent was about 4x that, tuition for a 4 year CS degree can be anywhere from like 30k to 200k USD (although usually on the lower end of that if you stay in state), and healthcare is certainly not free (although like I mentioned in the video Meta does have pretty solid insurance for its US employees). At the end of the day, I do think the US is probably the place where software engineers can save the most money, but salaries alone definitely don't tell the whole story.
Taxes are generally lower in America and that's why pay is so much higher. The market just has less government involved friction.
And we prefer it this way.
@@farzana6676 that used to be true. but california for example (including federal and state taxes) now has higher income tax (highest tax bracket), corporate tax and capital gains tax than for example sweden. also there is no gift or estate tax in sweden whereas in the US it’s like 40%. furthermore, the regulatory burdens are higher in california than in almost all european high tax countries. what used to be the land of the free is low the land of the highly taxed and highly regulated.
@@Bcutter Yeah I agree but that's only California and New York. That's why there's a mass exodus out of these two states.
That's why this dude got this job in Seattle Washington where there are zero state taxes(he probably pays around 25% in total federal taxes & social security.)
Great thing about America, if the liberals make some shitty regulatory and taxation policy, you just move to another State. You won't believe the numbers of Californians and New Yorkers coming to Texas and Florida. It's crazy, everywhere I look it's Californians here in Austin.
@@farzana6676 yeah i think that’s what’s gonna happen in the future. california and new york will be drained of all entrepreneurial or ambitious people. and i agree, that is what is great about the US. let the stupid states suffer the consequences of their poor decisions
Such a motivational video that makes you work on your skills and crack that META's Interview. Thanks for the clarity !
I agree I think everyone should be open to talking about their wages. It does more harm than good with everyone keeping it to themselves
that sign in bonus of 83K is more than a lot of senior dev salaries in EU
That's what socialism gets you.
Totally agree salary transparency is sooo important. You're doing the world a huge favor by normalizing talking about pay. I also have a video where interviewed Meta employees how much money they make. The salary info people shared kinda blew my mind.
It really worked for me after I look and try some tutorials, yours is the one that worked. Owe you a lot.
Everyone complaining about how little their geographical area and companies pay, I’m a lead technical recruiter in California. Yes, it’s true that tech giants pay a lot. However, keep in mind:
1. All other industries in the United States don’t pay this high. It’s a niche for FAANG and tech start ups to pay out, which also contributes to mass layoffs when the company under performs ie, they can only afford to when the stockholders are happy. It’s a volatile and stressful risk if you have a family to provide for.
2. Cost of living is insanely high in Northern California. You have to make $200k USD to live a decent life so it’s unrealistic to compare their salary when it costs 100x more for the same standard of living as you’re getting. If you make less than $150k there, you’re sharing a small apartment, not living alone and not close to owning a home.
3. Stop bitching, increase your value add.
I agree that we should stop bitching and add our value add. However you don't get job stability when you have a normal/low pay somewhere else. So, it's better to get a high pay even when the job might not be stable.
I think you should be able to talk about anything, even salary. A low salary doesn't mean anything bad. People can still be happy and that's the thing that counts. I don't need 1000's of dollars as salary when I work very little and still have money left to do some fun stuff.
Hey Conner you seem like such a good dude man. I wish you all the success in the world. Keep putting out great content!
Thank you! 😊
Why would a good dude work for one of the world's evilest companies?
@@mark_fi for money duh, and tech exposure is unmatched.
@@harshpatel105 "the money doesn't smell", - right 😁???
omg this makes me so much more motivated to get my work done
Ayeee great video again man. Keep up the great work. Always super insightful
Thanks for always supporting! 😀
Wow this is a big eye opener. Great video
Great video, good info, pay was quite high, wondering how all things are at "Meta" now with all the layoffs coming. Stock has really tanked badly
Thanks! And yeah, I would imagine even before layoff rumors the general vibes were probably pretty bad given how much the stock price impacts income 😞
Great content mann! Keep it up!
Thanks!
Thank u so much ❤.. I am watching from India🇮🇳, this is very informative.
Thank you for sharing, Conner!
Yep, good content. I can tell just keep the money flowing independantly,
This is awesomely transparent and super helpful! $75k signing bonus though?? I mean, I believe you, but that is an absolutely astronomical number. That is well over the annual gross salary for a low-level dev in the Midwest.
Yeah it’s pretty ridiculous. At some point I think Facebook learned they can attract talent away from other big tech companies without increasing salaries much (i.e. long term expenses) by just giving a big signing bonus. It’s just a recruiting expense to them. For a while they even gave out a good number of 100k signing bonuses to returning interns.
@@ConnerArdman Holy smokes…I could pay my house off instantaneously.
With that said, the tech space is a little shifty right now. Especially for the big companies. I am terrified of jinxing it, but - I am in love with my role to the point that, even while making far less that amounts referenced in this video, it would take a lot to make me jump ship. The fit is a dream, they value people, and I feel a bit safer than I might at Google.
I know it’s contextually fuzzy, but what are your thoughts on that sort of value? I’ve been a freelance dev for over a decade and just two years ago devoted myself to a stellar edtech company.
Once you can afford to pay your bills and live a comfortable life, I'd value the other benefits a lot more personally. It sounds like you've got a pretty great gig! Also, once you account for the cost of living in the Midwest vs. SF/Seattle/NYC, the pay difference is much less. For example, that $100k signing bonus wouldn't even be a down payment on a house here unless you want to live in a rundown 1920's shack or have a 1hr+ commute to work.
Thank you for this information!
Thanks for sharing, looking forward for more content!
Good info. I watched lots of other videos on FB salary, and all talked about 500k ~ 600k TC/year. Your number looks much more reasonable to me, and also more aligned with my offer (I declined it though)
What is TC?
@@farzana6676 total compensation
@@jakstrike1 That's crazy. Even IB and Hedge Fund associates don't make that.
This guy only worked a little over 1 year. You’re watching videos of people who have been working 5-10 years
My salary of a full time self-driving cars machine learning developer with 2 years experience in one Russian company is 32k USD/year. And I have masters in data science and two publications. International salary gap is overwhelming.
Putin wants to have a word with you
Be careful. You badmouth Putin's economy 🤣
Most of Russian tech bros are leaving anyway. Get out while you can.
@@farzana6676 I don't know where to go. I don't want to go to any city that is in autocracy, or joined anti-Russian sanctions, or has lower living standards than Moscow does. I can't find any city that satisfies my 3 simple requirements.
@@luck3949 Your problem is anti-Russian sanctions. You should support anti Russian sanctions like Gary Kasparov and move to America.
@@farzana6676 supporting anti-Russian sanctions contradicts my moral standards, and is therefore not an option
It really motivates
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching 😊
Good content 😊
Thank you!
Hello Conner Ardman we are waiting for your next video please make as soon as possible.☺☺☺
My brother in law works in Meta right now. He’s told me that the employees should be paid more for the amount of work they do. The perks are nice though. But the pay for the amount of work could be better.
are you kidding me??? these techies get paid more than nurses!!! how is that even right?! techies should be paid less....i mean RNs don't make bad money but they definitely deserve some of these good perks that these techies have like free food in the office, free health/wellness money for the gym, etc!!!
@@11pinkie11 more demand more value techies should earn kore because engineers and scientists are at the centre of the world without them no industry could stand.they also have more knowledge and brain than some mere nurses lol.🤣
@@AmritenduRana31082000 theyre more lifeless than nurses. they are literaly robots
Hey! I wanted to ask, what is the programming language you use?
Watching these numbers makes me conclude living in the Seattle area is hugely expensive!
You know what makes me feel good, I didn’t go to college and got hired at a paper mill as a production tech. I worked my ass off and really learned the skill and task at hand and moved up the ranks quickly. I live in Buffalo New York where the cost of living is pretty low. After 2 years there I was making 140k a year. I am hourly and work about 60 hours a week so I do make 15-20 hours a week overtime. Now if you stayed at Facebook for a long time you would blow my salary away but I also get cost of living increase every year and a lot of benefits including 2 bouns’s a year which comes out to be 20-25k a year. So all and all my main point is hard work and a beastly motivation in life can get you far. You don’t need to be an engineer to bring in a 150k a year salary. But awesome video and congrats for your success 👍
That's awesome, big congrats on all your success! I couldn't agree more. I think there can be an over-romanticizing of tech/engineering when in reality there are tons of other ways to make a great living 😊
@@ConnerArdman at the end of the day in 20 years my salary probably won’t break past 200k but your will probably be more like 500k lol. Congrats to us both. Anyone reading this, all it takes is hard work and a mastery of a skill set & never taking no for an answer.
@@nicholasbarrett7131 in my experience the biggest issue we have with most companies nowadays is hard work + skill is not rewarded.... HR seems to be the biggest issue in my eyes
if you are friends/drinking buddies/related i have seen more people get promotions wage increases etc... also the belief that degrees equate to being a more likely skilled employee
i make good money but I'll be honest cards had to all line up in order for this to happen and I ended up being in the right place at the right time...
@@wnxdafriz The great thing about America is that you can always change jobs or change States. There are just so many opportunities out there. From Austin to California, to Miami.
Hi Conner, great video. Inspired me to pursuit a career in a big tech company.
Or maybe just to not live in shithole country....
very insightful , tnx
Please why did you left the company ?
I missed why you would leave such a good paying job?
Wow, they pay so well! I"m an old X software engineer of long ago (no longer in the field) but how good of a resume do you figure one must have to get hired at FB? Obviously, they are looking for the cream of the crop! Also, being so young and having a lot of funds around how did that make you feel after a while?
Yeah the bar is definitely high for hiring, but it's hard to quantify and they are much more interested in your ability to solve technical interview questions than the resume itself. That said, a huge portion of my coworkers either went to a highly ranked CS university or came from another FAANG company, so the resume certainly helps (probably just for getting the initial interview though).
As for how the income made me feel, that's an interesting question. Initially, there was definitely a shock factor that was pretty exciting and validating. Although that quickly wore off and it just felt "normal". I'd say the only feeling I'd associate with it is the feeling of freedom and security. I don't really need to worry about paying rent or buying food, and I have the freedom to not say no to things purely out of financial necessity (at least within reason obviously). There's definitely a point where I don't think it has any measurable impact on my current life though. I'd basically live the exact same way making 100k as I would making 250k, just without the benefit of potentially retiring early.
I didn't realize Facebook refreshers were so low.
I had only been at the company for 4 months, so I don’t know if these refresher numbers are a great data point to generalize. I think in general they give pretty standard refreshers.
I would like to give you a video content idea. You can make an interview simulation just like you are doing with Clement :) It will be amazing for your subscribers.
You mean to do another coding interview or are you suggesting something different than that?
@@ConnerArdman I mean you should do interview with your subscribers.
Ah I see, that could be a fun idea! I'll write that down as a potential video idea for the future. Thanks! 😊
Hello, I have been offered a software engineer tier 2 position at meta but it’s less than 65,000. How would I negotiate my salary?
Why did you leave? I am very curious\
$118k, which you made in your first year, is twice what I make as a CS grad/software engineer in Sweden with 10 years experience, and I pay 65% tax on that, when you account for the 25% sales tax on everything I buy. No signing bonus or stock options. I do get a bonus but it’s only around 3k per year and of course the government steals 2/3rds of that. A lot of that is due to Sweden having a shit currency though. I’m in the process of moving to Denmark where I can still only get $103k per year but still a lot better than this shithole.
Salaries and taxes between the US and Sweden aren’t really comparable, because there are so many other factors at play. For example, my university degree to be qualified for this job cost ~$130k, where it would be free in Sweden. Expectations for vacation days, parental leave, etc. are much lower in the US than Sweden. Rent in Seattle is -50% higher than Stockholm from what I can find online. Healthcare is extremely expensive here, and that can even be true with the very good corporate insurance. That’s not to say it isn’t still amazing money, because it is. But it doesn’t go nearly as far as you’d think either.
These numbers don’t say anything if not also cost of living is revealed. An 8000/month can make you a poor sucker if your house sets you back 5000/month and a loaf of bread cost 10 bucks.
The cost of living in Seattle is high, but not nearly as high as the bay area. There's no state income tax which helps a lot, and you can easily get your rent in the 2000-2500 range (or lower with roommates, or much higher of course if you get something super nice). I'll probably make a video on my exact expenses eventually, but even on the intern salary I think most reasonable people without outside major expenses would still be able to save a good percentage while living well in Seattle.
Were you at the Menlo park campus? As someone who is an electronic engineer just outside the bay area this is interesting. Thanks for sharing
I was in Seattle, although my understanding is that at the time offers were the same between Seattle and MPK. I _think_ Seattle salaries are like 5% lower than MPK now, but I'm not completely sure. Whatever the difference is, it definitely doesn't account for the difference in taxes and cost of living.
@@ConnerArdman that makes sense. Thanks for the info!
I need to apply to Facebook! Crap. I never followed through with recruiters from Amazon/Facebook/Google and I have a computer science degree from the same school, UW. After 13 years of professional experience, I have never made anything remotely close to what you made in your first year. Well, I am not dead yet. Graduated near 2008. This video makes me equally sad and motivated, such strange emotions. Lol
I mean my base salary has exceeded what you mentioned, but total compensation. I think you missed the part of the stock options not actualizing? Since it was on a 4 year vesting cycle? Or I'm likely mistaken?
Thats awesome mate, thank you for sharing Facebook sounds cool, , thanks for sharing, quick question is it possible land a gig at Facebook (Meta) without a CS Degree but holding a Frontend and AlgoExpert Cert. Is it possible for one to get a shot to an interview as a SWE with the CS degree, if so how can one go about it, and during your time at Facebook did u work with any SWE without CS Degrees?
Yeah I worked with plenty of people without CS degrees. Many had related degrees (math, engineering, etc.), but there were a few with completely unrelated degrees. Getting interviews in this case can be difficult, but it’s not impossible. If you’ve had other developer jobs or went to a bootcamp, focus on that with the resume. If not, try to make some impressive projects to focus on. Really the goal is just to find a way to demonstrate that you can be as productive of a software engineer as someone who has a CS degree.
@@ConnerArdman thank you so much
@@ConnerArdman extremely inspiring as I'm someone that just completed a bootcamp and algo expert member
Thanks for sharing , that's really cool , can you provide us please on how to apply in facebook internship (especially for non US residents and if there's any more relative details) and tahnks ☺
It isn't any different than any other company, you just apply on their website or through a recruiter/career fair if you have one. I think the applications for most tech internships tend to start opening up around September when all of the US universities are back in session. From there it's just about your resume and a few coding interviews.
@@ConnerArdman thanks a lot sir 😊 hopefully I can catch up to you in your new company if you ever have internship positions :D
What? I live in east europe ..the most people are making around 400$ a month this means 4800$ a year. While that we import most of the goods and they cost even more. Take the iphone in usa here is like 20% more so yeah. I'm glad you guys have a decent life but I pity us.
could we have episodes say why you left/quit?
How do you feel about Meta firing 11,000 staff members?
Are you sure sharing your information is legal, and that you didn’t sign anything anywhere saying otherwise?
Yes. In the US, it's generally illegal for a company to prevent employees from discussing wages and whatnot due to the National Labor Relations Act as well as some state laws. I also never signed anything saying otherwise even if that would be enforceable. I'm always _very_ careful with contracts that I sign. This video is also a few years old, so if they cared they would have done something about it by now lol.
Disclaimer: I'm obviously not a lawyer, this is just my interpretation of how things work.
Interesting video! How many hours per week does one work in a position like your's? I think that information would also be interesting to know
I have a video on this, but I really didn’t work that much tbh. I probably averaged around 30 hours a week, and I don’t think I ever worked over 50 hours in a single week. That said, it can vary a lot from person to person and team to team. I certainly knew people who worked 40-60 hours every week.
Mate I earn a fourth as junior dev of what you did as an intern..
how did you find the List of salaries that your peers are making? if you can share Link or if it's hosted somewhere please share it will be a great help.
When I was an intern someone started a Google Sheet and shared it with all of the interns. I don’t think I have that anymore, but it had a few hundred return offer details for different positions. From my experience levels.fyi is very accurate though.
Thanks you so much Connor
I would like to know what type of project to make as a front-end to get my resume shortlisted
I m currently making e commerce in mern stack but doubt that going to be enough to stand out
Honestly I don’t think it matters too much. Unless you’ve turned a project into a legitimate business or something else super impressive, specific projects probably won’t make you stand out more than others. Just do projects that you find interesting and that use a similar tech stack to the companies/roles you are applying to. Bonus points of course if you are creative and do something other than the common generic projects.
I really like your videos
Thank you!
I am interested what is your Take-Home pay, because in Serbia, when we are signing contract, we are agreeing on take-home pay, and not payment before taxes.
If you are located in California, I calculated around $150,000 take-home pay. Is that correct?
I live in Seattle, so taxes are lower than California. I usually end up paying about 25% of my income in taxes.
@@ConnerArdman Awesome, thanks for reply :)
Could you please provide your cost of living at the time for context? Otherwise, I'm afraid, these numbers are not comparable at all.
Yeah I want to eventually make a detailed video breaking down my expenses/cost of living. But the short version is that living in Seattle I paid no state/local income taxes. Rents in areas near the tech offices for decent apartments tend to be 2k-3k if you don't want a roommate (although of course they can get cheaper or way more expensive). One nice perk of working at companies like Facebook is you don't really need to pay for much else if you don't have any other major financial responsibilities. Food was free 5 days a week (excluding covid times when the office was closed of course), healthcare/insurance was very good and close to free, they paid for our gym memberships, and they paid for our public transit cards so living near downtown it was easy to not own a car. I'd say all in, I probably spent 3-5k per month during my time at Facebook as a full time employee, with some months higher than others. I probably could have gotten that lower if I really tried, but that was a spending level I was pretty comfortable with.
@@ConnerArdman How many hours did you put in per week? Great salary though regardless but if you were doing extremely long days all the time then it makes sense.
I didn’t actually work that much honestly. Most weeks I worked around 30 hours, just with an occasionally more stressful week if I was launching some new feature. I don’t think I ever worked more than ~50 hours in a single week though.
This is very, very team and individual dependent though. There certainly are people working 60+ hours a week, but I never felt a need to. I probably could have really grinded to get even higher bonuses, but I was more interested in my sanity.
It also comes down to time management. I tried to be really good at not wasting working hours. I actually have a whole video on that if you’re interested 🙃
@@ConnerArdman Fair play then. I can imagine some working 15hour days though. In that case the money isn't that good when you consider the hours. Excellent in your case though!
Reason people don't share salaries sometimes is because is stresses people like myself out who own a business and take risks as well as the huge start up cost. Tech workers are paid to much, plain and simple.
Why quit if you are making all this $$$?
Great inisghts. I am curious if there is any data on non tech oh hybrid roles salaray
Yeah levels.fyi has data about a bunch of different roles. For non-engineering roles in tech (pm, design, etc), the salaries tend to be fairly similar but with less stock/signing bonus. Outside of the tech org (ops, recruiting, sales, etc), it can vary a lot by role, but most are significantly less than engineering.
Dang as a remote Software Engineer I make pretty much that much and I live in a super low cost area. My salary is low around 83k but our bonus is well over 90k. We make more in bonus than salary. Any good .NET engineers want a job? Seriously! We are hiring!
That’s amazing, congrats and thanks for sharing! 😀
thats awesome. Are these numbers before or after tax?
@@shigor Before
@@shigor After tax its around $300 left over.
I am from India and I like the way you explain things. I calculated your salary in Rupee it's horrible!!!
Yeah man, I am from Pakistan. This amount is horrible!!! SE salaries, here, are very low comparitively.
I’m not sure the comparison makes perfect sense, because the cost or living in US tech cities is so much higher. That said, the cost of living difference almost definitely doesn't account for the whole difference in pay 😔. Software engineers in the US do just tend to make a lot more than in most other countries, even those with higher costs of living.
@@ConnerArdman Yeah man! This is right too. But, here in Pakistan, some of the fresh graduates start their first job at just $4600/year. There is no comparison with US
@@ConnerArdman I think the quality of life you live in USA will cost the same in India. We think the cost living in India is low because we compromise with the quality of life. If we live with the same quality it will cost the same as USA.
Why he quit Facebook, the salary are awesom
the reason they pay you leave, is if they didn't you would just use all you PTO then quit
where do you work now ?
AlgoExpert 👍
is a software engineer or developer same or different? what software did you work on there, can you say?
The terms are pretty much interchangeable. There is some interesting history there, because in some countries the term "engineer" can only be used if you have a specific certification (similar to how you must pass The Bar Exam in the US to be an attorney). Because of this, I think the term developer tends to be more common outside of the US, while engineer seems to be the preferred term in the US where such requirements don't exist. At the end of the day, it's the same job though. I've never seen a company hire both software engineers and software developers as different positions.
At Facebook I worked in the privacy organization. I'm actually not too sure what I can/cannot say (I don't think I signed any NDAs, but honestly I don't remember fully), but broadly speaking I worked on internal tools used by legal/policy/etc. to manage and mitigate any privacy incidents that might happen. For the most part I worked on the frontend, so I built user-interfaces that these people would use for their day-to-day work.
@@ConnerArdman thanks
Hi Connor, thought you worked for Clément
Yeah I left Facebook to work at AlgoExpert almost a year ago now 👍
Wow. This isn’t typical for an average CS undergrad, is it?
I guess it depends on what you mean by "average". This is pretty typical (although still a bit on the high side) for big tech companies in Seattle, New York or The Bay Area. At the "target" CS universities in the US, getting these jobs is fairly common. At schools that are less heavily recruited from, it's a lot less common to land these jobs, but it's still possible.
Outside of the major tech hub cities, compensation tends to be a lot lower, but the cost of living also tends to be a lot lower. Of course this is still a range and it has plenty of outliers. I've heard everything from new grad software engineers in the US making like $40k all the way up to $300k+ at some hedge funds. I'd guess if you took the median of all of them, it would be somewhere in the $80k-$120k range though, because the vast majority don't live in these expensive tech hubs and don't work for FAANG-like companies.
Hi I wanted to know, on average, how many hours you worked per week?
Probably around 30. Occasionally more, occasionally less, but never more than ~50 in a single week. It’s very individual/team dependent though. There certainly were people working way more than me.
I had to pause the video after hearing the intern salary
Lol you get like 500 euro’s a month being an intern in The Netherlands
Rich people here
😀
And you quit why? Was it the 80+ hour work week?
I have a video on why I quit, but it had nothing to do with work life balance. It was more just about the type of work I was interested in doing and a really cool opportunity to join AlgoExpert that I didn't want to pass up. As far as work life balance is concerned, I probably averaged about 30 hours/week. I don't think I ever worked over 50 hours in a week, and certainly never got anywhere near 80.
@@ConnerArdman Thanks for sharing. It must be one heckuva great job to pass up FB. That’s a pay package that most work their entire career to obtain.
This is insane.
How much tax do you pay on that juicy TC?
About 25%. I live in Seattle, so there’s no state income tax, which helps a lot.
Hi there what in your idea about self taught developer can get job as software engineer
Self taught developers absolutely can get jobs as software engineers, but it is much harder. You will be competing with people from bootcamps and universities, so you have to find another way to stand out. I think going from self-taught without a degree to a FAANG or similar job is pretty unrealistic, but you can certainly work your way up to it over time.
Hey Conner why did you leave the company?
I have a whole video on this, but the TL:DR is I left to join AlgoExpert. It wasn’t anything against Facebook, this opportunity just excited me more and more closely aligned with my personal goals.
@@ConnerArdman is it difficult to land a job at Facebook?
@Not Applicable That's hard to answer, because it's hard to quantify what is "difficult." In comparison to other major FAANG companies, I'd say there isn't really any major difference. But in comparison to the average random non software engineering job, it's considerably more difficult.
To try to give you something more useful, I'd say there are three components that create "difficulty" in landing a job at Facebook (assuming we are just referring to software engineering):
1. You have to learn to code. I think just about anyone can do this with enough time and effort, but it is an obvious barrier to entry for any software engineering job.
2. You have to pass a resume screen. Most of the people I worked with had CS degrees from highly-ranked universities, although that's not the only way to succeed in this step. I met plenty of people who didn't have those degrees but instead went to bootcamps or had some other path. Regardless though, there was always something that stood out on the resume to indicate that they could have potential to be a really strong software engineer.
3. You have to pass technical coding interviews (and maybe system design depending on level). For most, this requires a good bit of study, because these styles of interviews are a bit adjacent to your standard coding skills and the bar is fairly high. For full-time, there are usually 5 of these interviews, but interns usually only have 2.
@@ConnerArdman I’m in the process of going to WGU, I know it’s not like MIT or NC State. You ever heard of WGU?
Yeah I actually have a family member who got a WGU degree (although not tech related), best of luck with your studies!
What's the after tax income, that's important. Also expenses in sf Bay Area, thanks
I live in Seattle, so there are no state income taxes. Here’s a good calculator for take home pay that’s been fairly accurate in my experience: smartasset.com/taxes/income-taxes
I paid roughly 25% of my income in taxes, but it’s hard to get an exact number because I never spent a full calendar year working at just Facebook.
Expenses in Seattle are also a lot lower. As a single person without other major financial obligations (medical expenses, bad debt, etc) I found I can live very comfortably on about $3000-$4000 per month. If I had to I could probably get that down to around $2000 living with roommates and lowering my standard of living. I don’t think I could spend much more than around $5000 a month living reasonably, but again ymmv based on your life situation and spending habits. I might make a breakdown video of my expenses if there is enough interest, but generally it’s probably in that range.
The bay will eat one up lol. Nice place to live tho
How many hours a week are you working?
I left FB, but at the time I worked around 30 hours a week usually, with occasional longer weeks (never more than ~50 hours). I have a full video on this if you’re interested 😀
I want
does your pay depend on how successful Zuckerberg does Libra or Diem or Metaverse?
Lol in a way it does, because those things all impact the stock price and bonuses. 📈
keep it up! ah, first by the way!
Thank you!
$250k for a graduate in their first year. LMFAO, absolutely insane.
im new why did you leave your job at facebook?
I have a whole video on this, but the TL;DR is I joined AlgoExpert and created the FrontendExpert product. This just felt like an opportunity to have a lot more "impact" with my work and something I was really excited to work on.
It's always the people that make a boat load of money that are eager to say , "I think we should all share our salaries"
I will share my income with you aswell if you want :)
Im making ruffly 22k(euro) a year in Austria as a Student (Socialwork).
What university did you go to?
I went to The University of Washington in Seattle and majored in Informatics.
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As an intern you earned more per month than i do per year as a software engineer in spain. I think it's time to move
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@@IgnacioRoyoHernandez hombre pero la sanidad es gratis jeje
just gotta sell your soul for a shit company like facebook
Why did you leave such a good paying job?
I have a whole video on it, but the TL;DR is that I left to join AlgoExpert and make the FrontendExpert product. Nothing against FB, but I just wanted to work on something that I felt like I would have more impact on.
@@ConnerArdman congratulations and good luck.
Paying this much a young millennial or GenZ does not make business sense. They jump ship too fast. 18 month cliff before handing out shares should be the standard.
You made $96,000/year as an intern? ... WTF?
This is actually fairly standard for big US tech company interns. Since it's usually just 10-12 weeks, I think companies mostly see it as the cost of recruiting in a competitive space (and of course they do get some value out of the work interns do, but probably not enough to warrant their pay given the cost of training/mentoring them).
No kidding jesus christ
Wow wery nice
Talk about job without talk about salary is bullshit, good job Conner!
Do you believe that given your contribution to the driving engine of society that's kept running by firefighters, electricians, truck drivers, and nurses, that people like you deserve that high of a salary? Do you believe that what you contribute to the world is worth 100k/ year?
Yes, it’s called supply and demand. He is getting paid that amount because their is so few people that can do what he does. The inverse is true for those other occupations.
Welp I feel poor now