🚫 Don't turn off MTC on your 2022+ KTM 390 Adventure | Offroad Mode
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ส.ค. 2023
- ok guys so I still see people asking about how to keep MTC off when riding offroad. But if you have a 2022 model or 2022 software you don't need to mess with MTC!
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Great video and explanation. Finally got this sussed out and set up as a quick selector. Thankyou
That was very helpful info. Thanks for sharing!
Great vid m8 but did make me smile when the 1st run in on road mode was the most controlled in those tests lol 👍🙂
I just want your bars and risers setup 🙃 My MTC is always on mainly because I didn't shortcut it. Happy to see this is an advantage!
Good test. I always just turn off-road mode on and it seems great
I remember seeing somewhere before I bought my 390 that turning off MTC only partially disabled it, and there was some other trick to "fully" disabling it, but based on this I must have misunderstood the process. As you said, it seems like offroad mode tames the mtc and turning off mtc disables it completely. That said, I think I'll keep turning mine off for the most part. with it on, it becomes pretty difficult to break the rear loose on dirt if you want to slide it out a bit in corners, and the few times I've ridden with it turned on (because i've turned the bike off and forgot to disable it again) I've had a few close calls with the edge of the trail because the back tire wanted to track rather than slide.
I went for a group ride with some dual sport bikes and I was on my 390adv with stock tires. Everyone else had knobbies.
We hit a steep hill that started as hard pack but then transitioned to loose gravel. The dual sport bikes ran up the hill while rooosting/spinning their rear tires. I was in off-road mode and made it up fine without spinning and roosting. Yes it was not as fast but I felt stable the entire time. So I totally agree with this video.
I had a cb500x with tkc 80s and remember being in a similar situation. The rear end would try to slide out.
Yes but knobbies look cool af. No but, you are a better dirt rider than I am. I see people do just fine on the stock tires, but they were not the ones for me.
I hear what you’re saying, but I have the 2023 390 adv, and to be honest, the difference between TC on vs off in Offroad mode is massive.
Yes, TC on in offroad mode let’s you slide a bit, but man does it teach you some TERRIBLE control habits.
I watched your vid and then took mine out for a spin in the hills with the TC on (offroad mode) and when I switched it back off at the end of the day (to compare), it was radically different.
With it on, you can pin the throttle and drop the clutch and it will find traction. With TC OFF, it’s all on you as a rider. For me, I find the TC system great for tricky hill climbs and for some fun. But for developing my skills I much prefer to have it off.
Just personal preference. Thanks for the vid!!
That's some pretty good feedback! I do still sometimes go back forth with MTC but for the most part on a hard trail ride I really don't want to be fiddling with the menu if I happen to stall.
So at the end of the day yes there are differences between offroad mode and offroad mode with MTC off. But do you need to turn MTC off to ride offroad? Definitely not.
@@furadride852 yeah, I completely agree, it’s a pain in the ass to turn off, and is A LOT of fun to have on. Can really just rag it without any worries! :)
390 already has all the other tricks for easy off road traction baked into the design. not too heavy, not too light. Not too tall but not too short. Not powerful, but by no means underpowered. It was definitely made to be really easy to ride even with no electronic aids. As a dirt rider since childhood I can’t see the tc being something I’d be very into at all but it’s really cool that KTM did give it another mode that actually works on the dirt now👍
There is a India specific Model called 390 Adventure X. No Quickshifter, NO MTC, no electroncis nannies other than off road ABS. the trail riders prefer that model more. And it's cheaper
I like the content you are putting out. Just got a 390 a couple weeks ago and live in the Boise area as well. Do you go on group rides? Maybe we could meetup sometime.
hey hey sorry for the short notice but we're doing our first ride today at pleasant valley if you wanna come out. Meeting at this lot here - maps.app.goo.gl/csNRzCy23XbPd2oA9
What is you bar and riser setup. I am a tall rider and the OEM bars are a little too tilted towards the rider for comfort. Yours look pretty straight. Could you help me out with the setup please.
Yeah offroad mode on my 23 is awesome, I can't wait to put motoz tires on it. It feels like the bike almost takes off faster in gravel cuz the motor just shoots way up into the powerband due to wheelspin 😆
Have you used the offroad tc much in mud and loose sutff? Does it still keep up?
we try to avoid mud with the stock tires lol. But yeah lots of sand, gravel and rocks and it does great even with MTC on.
very big thanks I have 2021 TC sucks off road I forget to turn it off and at times I feel it is dangerous because of the deacceleration Ugh I will get mine updated Thanks
Whay tires you recomend??
An off-topic question: what is the windscreen that you've got on the bike? (And thanks for the informative video).
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Hey man. Good video. I have a 2022. I have noticed on steep sandy climbs, rough washboards, or loose gravely dirt climbs, you still really need MTC off, because otherwise you will eventually bog down and lose power to continue climbing.
From my understanding, offroad MTC allows for something like 2 full rotations on the rear per single rotation of the front. Allowing you to break free a little bit. But MTC will still kick in and start limiting your power if traction has been broken and the rear is spinning consistently at a higher rate than the front.
If you could find that same hill, but 4-5 times longer of a climb at a steep enough grade, I think you would be able to experience what I'm describing.
I think there is a use case for all of the modes. But I also am too annoyed by having to constantly plan ahead and switch modes, and ultimately just find the mode that works best for all conditions and stick to it 90% of the time. MTC is the annoying one, because it automatically activates itself at every start. I am just in the habit of turning it off before any extensive offroad ride, because it's easier to deal with it being off than it is dealing with it being on when you NEED it off.
So, we actually do plenty of decent hill climbs with MTC on. The bike does like to bog but that's more an issue of it making torque above 7000 rpm. I find that if you feather the clutch to keep the flywheel spinning it allows you to keep climbing when the engine wants to bog. th-cam.com/video/PqJn68zmVlk/w-d-xo.html
Good video sir! I didn't know what modes you have on the 390. Have you ridden a 790/890 with the rally mode? If not we should go for a ride and trade for an hour or so. I'd love to ride a 390! Let me know...
hey hey! No I haven't ridden any other ADV bike. Sounds temping but at the same time I don't think I want to know how good an 890 is. 🤣
Hahaha! Think on it... Let me know if you change your mind 😉.
Mine is just the baby 790 😁
What handguards do you have?
When was this update released? Mine is December 2022 model, but I'm not sure if I got this update.
There is a lot of sand where I live, and I cannot ride in it with the TC on. I turn it off, and life is good!
Actually made a video just for that cause I get this comment so much lol. th-cam.com/video/63roFKXlc9o/w-d-xo.html
Hello, thanks the video!
I have not been able to find official information in the manual about what the street vs offroad mode does on the bike, is it just the way it executes the traction control?
Thank you !
Yep that's the only difference! The official description in the press material says something like - offroad mode allows for wheel slip.
@@furadride852 thanks 🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂
It allows a huge amount of wheel spin and only cuts power once the bike starts going sideways enough to possibly crash.
Ride a long section of "washboard" dirt road with Off-road/Off-road ABS/MTC On and you'll be stopping to disable MTC...it's a horrible experience...
(Re-run the test under these conditions...)
yep we have done that plenty and I actually did stop once to disable MTC but it didn't make much of a difference. What I did find helped on the wash boards is softening up the rear shock. Like all the way down to 5 clicks. Makes it so the rear tire skips around a lot less.
can you get the 2022 SW for pre 2022 bikes?
as far as I know this SW update was limited to India.
How can you flash the software? I ride a 21 Modell and my dealer tells me there is no way to upgrade the ecu.
I'm a relatively new rider, also in Boise (also 390 ADV.) Wanna ride sometime?
heck yeah! send me a DM.
How do you keep those mirrors from vibrating? I had to go back to the stock mirrors.
Mine vibrate too but not so much that I can't see when cars are behind me. It's a trade off because I would have broken the stock mirrors about 10x over by now.
So MTC offroad configuration is different from 2020 vs 2022 and up? Do I have to go to the dealer to get the ECU flashed for 2022?
Yes in 2022 they added the offroad modes. The dealer can flash the new version but unfortunately not all dealers know this yet.
so while riding in city or out on highways, does it makes sense riding in off-road mode?
coz i guess you said there kinda more power in off-road mode.
whats your opinion?
I pretty much leave mine in offroad mode at all times unless it's raining.
You turn off MTC when you want to do drifting and sliding.
The Bike perform very well,but what I noticed is your gasping for air, better have some exercise Man..
If you have any sort of TC on you don't even get full power on dry tarmac. You can't even make a wheelie. It falls on it's face if you give it full throttle. Also, Offroad ABS makes the front brake bite a LOT harder! With Offroad ABS you can make stoppies. With ABS fully on.. Not so much.
I literally wheelie my 390 every time I ride it with MTC on. I specifically go on short little rides in this area just to practice wheelies.
I have to turn MTC off to do a wheelie. Otherwise it will lift the front wheel and then just die and drop the wheel back down. With MTC off I don't even have to try. Super easy to wheelie and ride out both first and second gear on the back wheel.
@@cossiedrifterthat makes sense. But for trail riding you don't really need to carry wheelies. Maybe only a few feet to clear obstacles which is no issue with MTC on.
@@furadride852not sure if it's a regional thing but if you look in the manual it says off-road ride mode disables anti wheelie on page 34.
Do you usually ride with ride mode set to off-road?
I'm new to riding this is my first real bike. My last bike was a KTM 50 sx mini so you can imagine it was while ago 😂. Not quite at the level of trying to learn wheelies yet but I tried launching the bike and I'm pretty sure I felt the front wheel pop up a bit before the power cut.
When you will hit serious hill climb you will see that traction control should be turned off otherwise you will not take that hill :)
Wrong. Check out my other videos of actually single track riding.
I have a 2020 and I turn all that crap OFF. When I was growing up we never had all that BS on bikes. Thats how you LEARN! Ride within your capabilities and you'll be fine.
Cool, if you didn't watch the video this only pertains to 2022+ models or models with 2022 software. On your 2020 you would indeed have to turn everything off.
Sorry but I can't like this video, riding with MTC in Off-road mode is straight up dangerous when riding in terrain that has patches of soft sand. The bike WILL throw you out of the saddle cutting power.
lol no it won't. We ride in sand washes ALL. THE. TIME. We've even done back to back comparisons in sand washes with MTC on and off. Do you even have a 2022+ 390 ADV?
@@furadride852yes I do have a 2023, this past weekend even, got lurched a couple times due to the engine cutting on sandy patches. Power came back fast enough but it is not a good TC implementation