Motorcycle Traction control: Does it work? Not on KTM 390Adventure (2019)...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2024
- I have trust issues with electronic aids on motorcycles... most of it due to the fact that they only work in very specific situations, yet, most bikes insist in turnig them ON every chance they can.
This time I am testing the so called Motorcycle Traction Control on the 2019 KTM 390 Adventure and I must say I came to some pretty solid conclusions!
Does it even work? Does it help at all? Well..spoiler alert: I am willing to accept that there are systems out there capable of delivering what they promised, but we dont get them in all the bikes, as I show on this video...
UPDATE: The new KTM390 (2020 and up) comes now with most of this problems fixed ;)
-Diogo Guerra
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I think you were spot on with the gun comparison. Neither are good or bad, it just depends on the way they are used! Why would you use traction control on sand?! But if that keeps you from tasting the highway pavement on a rainy day even once in your life time... That's money well spent on my book!
great expose of offroad TC, but more than that, thanks for showing your classic "disclaimer" at the very beginning - it's pure creative gold, puts a big grin on my face every time!!!
Ahaha, You can see I am becoming a professional! More and more I understand the importance of disclaimers! :D
Look at my recent ktm 390 review... i forgot to say (despite the name of the channel) that I mostly only care about offroad, and ended up having a lot of people saying I was to harsh on the bike and that "Adventure" doesnt mean only offroad (and they are right of course).
Anyway, thanks for watching and for commenting ^^
I bought a T700 because it has no electronics. However, a friend did a test ride with the most advanced KTM 790 with all electronic gimmicks on earth. I asked him "how was the off road ride?" His answer was: " I don't know, I don't even know exactly where I rode because I was constantly pushing buttons, trying different modes and to find out where they work and where they don't work. Eventually I came to the conclusion I don't need all that bullshit!" This says a lot more than any technical explanation. Great video my friend, always enjoy them and I am glad you share them with us. Take care, best greetings for Austria!
I have to say, after riding the Norden 901, that some electronics are indeed good!...or at least dont get in the way!
The norden remembers yours choices...so you never need to touch the computer if you dont want to.
As for the modes...if you set to offroad mode you never feel anything working (the traction control lets the wheel spin very much, and when it tries to help you, it does it in a way that does not bother you...its smooth, it doesnt cut 100% of the power, just enough).
I am very positively impressed
@@OFFroadOFFcourse Yes, I have heard about the Norden and that its electronics are not stressing the rider.
You forgot that after 2020 KTM updated its system on the 390 adventure not just to remember it's previous settings if you switch off the engine or stall, but it now has an off-road and road mode which both work brilliantly in its applicable scenario.
I am glad they fixed it! on the other hand, it just proved that there was definitely something to fix :P But I will write on the title that this is only valid for the 2019 version, thanks!
The KTM390 Adv is super dangerous offroad with the MTC on. It looses too much power. I'm glad they changed the 2022 ones to keep it off even if it stalls. I feel like it's a bike for easy offroad. Even long distance travels on asphalt it's an uncorfortable bike with all the vibrations it has since it's a single cylinder. Gorgeous bike and a good first bike, but I agree with the ''Mehs''.
Its always a pleasure (and a relief!) To see owners and previous owners agreeing with my reviews :D
Thank you xD
Great stuff - to be so informative, funny and entertaining in your second language is brilliant.
I love you man! You bring tears of laughter to my eyes. I never considered Portugal as a travel destination (no specific reason,) but your food, your fiery women, and now the thought of doing a tour with a hilarious guy like you has me thinking!!!
Gotta say, the terrain in your presentations looks so much like huge parts of Australia. That first 4wd shot.. I literally had to watch it 3 times to know whether or not it is the trail which starts 50 metres from my driveway. (Not. Obviously!) Keep it up. You'll be bigger than Tkacs soon.
Hey Sam! Thanksnl for watching and for the wholesome comment! Send me an email and lets figure out that portuguese tour 😁😁 www.offroad-offcourse.com
Love the intro!
Its actually a recycled clip from the KTM 690 review...but i couldnt resist. It fits like a glove and it would be a shame to let it rot on a year old video ^^
thanks for commenting!
Best motorcycle off-road education channel. 😂
Great video. It’s so true. I hate those riders aids for off road applications. Keep up the great work!
So, in india KTM launched a 390 adventure X model, which doesnt have ride-by-wire, MTC, quick-shifter and tft screen, and made it $900 dollars cheaper, what do you think about that?
I dont know what to think... here in Europe people like these bikes cause they have all those electronic things.
Offroad they suck, but on-road they are a bonus...and since most people only/mostly use them on the road, they its OK, i guess :o
I doubt people think like you think they think.
TC always limits power to driven wheels in order to sustain traction, this is true for cars just the same.
Your example is afaik wrong. A 4X4 does not climb a hill because of TC but because it drives all 4 wheels at the same speed finding traction more easily. That is why a good 4x4 also has locking differentials: It then drives all 4 wheels at the same speed REGARDLESS of traction. TC in a off-road car is also off or very limited when being off-road... so no TC does not make a 4x4 climb a hill, if anything TC will prevents a 4x4 from climbing a hill.
And I think most people interested in any motor vehicle understand this just fine.
7:50 that is a legal requirement in Europe. ABS and TC need to be on when the bike is turned on. There is a loop hole that the setting maybe stored if the bike is not turned off completely e.g. when just stalls. So as long as the ignition is on the setting is stored. If you turn off the ignition the setting will reset. There is no other way, it is a legal requirement.
TC is a good thing and helps to keep the bike under control in less than ideal grip conditions on the road e.g. during rain. Adventure bikes are driven mostly on roads after all.
Bikes the manufacturer expect to see off-road use either have driving modes or a TC off mode. There is really nothing wrong with that.
I see what you mean, now that I think about it, maybe the whole example of the 4x4 vehicles and their TC was not that good... but my point still stands. SOME traction controls on so called adventure bikes don't work at all off-road. In the end of the video I say (again) that my critique is only about electronic aids OFFROAD, on paved roads the work quite well and can be a life saver.
The traction control i tested is terrible on any hill, its dangerous during turns (cause you cant skid the wheel if you want to), its dangerous when you need to lift the front wheel over an obstacle (it cant cause the engine looses power), it will leave your bike stranded on deep mud cause it won't let you move, etc etc... it simply doesnt work. That was my point =)
But thanks for pointing out my falacy about the 4x4 example...you are correct!
@@OFFroadOFFcourse I see where you are coming from and you are right electronic riding aids are mostly for road use. The reality is that that is what most people ride on most of the time even when they buy an adventure bike. Certain aids are now mandatory as well e.g. ABS.
I just think when criticising driving aids one should keep the bigger picture in mind. ABS off-road prevents the bike from coming to a proper full stop in lose ground conditions e.g. a lose gravel slope, so it is bad off-road but it still is a life saver on the road. It is fair to criticise the ABS on a bike marketed as adventure bike when it has no off-road ABS mode, it is also fair to point out that a off-road ABS mode usually only switches off ABS on the rear wheel and to point out how it behaves differently from true ABS off. But criticising that there is no bike without it or that it resets whenever the ignition is turned off is to me not an up-to-date view of the issue especially when state authorities have already regulated the topic.
I will say though that on an adventure bikes electric driving aids should be easily accessible to switch from on-road to off-road and not hidden away in sub-menus of the display. I like it when a bike has a physical ABS off-road switch on the dashboard, that should exist for TC as well.
Like I said I understand you channel is about off-road I just think your sole focus on off-road does probably not reflect reality for most other people that well.
There is probably a huge difference between how manufacturer market the label "adventure bike" and what you consider an adventure bike.
Kawasaki labels its adventure bikes as adventurer tourer. Most marketing material show the bike on a paved road. That is probably a more realistic depiction on the use of most adventure bikes than Yamaha showing the Tenere 700 off-road all the time (on the official homepage there is literally only one picture of T7 on pavement).
I have the 2022 model and it has updated software that has given it two ride modes (and I read online that older bikes should be able to get the update at a KTM dealer). One for street, and one for Offroad, which shows up as a third setting on the TFT next to the ABS and MTC modes, and I have been wondering what it even does. I have a feeling that it reduces the traction control a little bit to give you more wheel spin than the road mode, but I haven't had the opportunity to test it for myself, and being new to offroad riding I'm a little apprehensive to do it. It would be nice if there was a guide book along with the owner's manual to explain how to actually make use of these features...
In off-road mode it works out intervenes based on front wheel speed relative to the rear... So if the front isn't turning much or at all it allows as much rear wheel spin as you need in that scenario like riding through deep mud or sand, but if you are going much faster it will kick in quicker to prevent excessive wheel spin on faster dirt or gravel roads but still allow more slip than in road mode so you can get it a little sideways through high sleep dirt corners
You're good man. Very enjoyable videos.
I only used the TC off road once in a borrowed DTC Africa Twin and that combination worked surprisingly well climbing on grass with mixed tyres.
Great video! I've experienced the exact same scenario with my 390. Unfortunately mine is one of the older versions which comes on every darn time the bike shuts off. Love your videos.
Thank you michael! I am glad i am not the only one noticing xD
I totally agree with you, cause it is pretty much objective, is not really opinionable, but I think it is crucial to point it out that all this is just and only regarding off-road/dirt!!! myself and the majority of riders, do ride mainly on the road, where ABS, cornering ABS, TC etc is designed for, and works best! I live in London, and use my v-strom 1000 (2015) every single day of the year, and is not possible to disable ABS, while TC is possible to disable or use with preset 1 or 2. I honestly always ride with preset 2, with sunny days, rain, storm, etc and is effectively the best thing they have ever invented (to be used on the road) cause it effectively keep the bike up! I have a 125cc scooter as well which doesn't have any kind of electronics, it's fun to ride in the city, within overloaded roads, but when you're going even 40mph and you cross over a wet leaf while you are on a very light corner do you know what that scooter is doing? is gonna crash you on the floor. I am pretty sure that you are well aware of what i'm talking about and that's why i think your video is pretty much missleading new riders! you should at least mention that when it comes to these topics, riding off-road or on-road completely change the outcome of the judgments over those technologies. in either case i'm not entirely sure how KTM tech is, but i totally agree that all those maxi-endure/adventure bikes should definitely have those technologies, and have the possibility to disable them keeping them disabled until whenever we decide to turn it back on.
Hey man, thanks for the long comment!
I agree with what you say. If you see the final 30 secs of the video you will see exactly that :p
You discovered that the MTC on this bike (and many other bikes) it's usable only on hard pavement (7:21). There is a reason why 99% of ppl turn it off, when they are going on loose ground, but turn it back on once they hit the road: why would you cut off power from your engine, on a terrain like that, in the first place. It's like coming to a shooting range, pulling out a 9mm out of your pocket and saying "listen up, did you know that you can reuse the magazine by filling it up?" they would call you the local Sherlock Holmes, belive me!
Hello. As a professional motorcycle instructor (10years) and a rider (20years) i can assure you that this info (and practical explanation) was useful to a great number of people. Not only that, but the fact that a lot of bikes offer "offroad traction controls" (and some of them are as useless as the ones on the 390)serves to show how relevant and informative videos like this can be to the growing number of new riders who definitely have more money than understanding.
If thats not your case, thats fine, man :p
@@OFFroadOFFcourse The main problem I have, is that the MTC on this bike, isn't sold as an off-road feature... Rather as a cool feature for the road, that eventually can save someone's life one day (also sensitive to your leaning angle -why would you need that off-road)... So complaining about an on-road feature being useless off-road is like going at the pool, and complaining that it's too wet in that place, and you've expected more trampolines...
@@redminute6605 if you saw the video from the beggining to the end, you would see my full thoughts and conclusions about it, where i clearly state how important these things can be on the road.
My beef with the mtc was not that it didnt work offroad, was that it turns on by itself all the time, rendering offroad use of this bike a nuisance...which seems a bit meh oh a so called Adventure bike (by ktm, to make it worse)
appriciated bro :)
I agree that all the electronics stuff was made for the road and probably works well there especially for speed demons on fast bikes. If they just set it up so that there was one button that COMPLETELY disconnected the electronics I would say 'fine'. Thing is they don't 'disconnect' they turn them 'off' but if you have a fault in one your bike is still crippled in all modes, sometimes to the point it will not run at all. That is a terrible situation to be in when your off road (off course :) ) and your bike dies because of a system you are not even using or do not need takes a dump. Second the damn EU law that ABS has to reset every time you turn your bike off and restart. Real PITA when that happens in the middle of a hill climb. Restart the bike, fiddle with the electronics all while holding the bike in a precarious position!
Nice video, again, thanks!
I love the approach you give to these things.
Since I'm going to pay for the TC even if I don't want it, it should at least be off by default 😅
The history is simple: Turn TC OFF when going off-road.
..and then dont forget to turn it off every time you stop or stall. Easy enough...only like 50 times on a normal off-day :D
Thanks for commenting :D
@@OFFroadOFFcourse It really is a nuisance to have to disconnect TC every time the motorcycle is turned off or stalls. hopefully KTM will fix it one day with some Firmware update. Greetings from Spain and enjoy our 390 as it is, with its virtues and its defects.
I think it's prohibited by law that the traction control should be on by default. In other words: turn the ignition of and on and the TC is back on. (same in my car)
My Guzzi V85TT has an off road setting, TC will allow a bit of wheel spin, but just like this KTM 390 that's useless in loose sand or mud.
To turn it off completely I have to go into the menu, to only have it turn back on once he ignition is cycled off and on again.
Work around: turn it off when you start your off road ride and use the kill switch to turn of the engine, that way the TC stays off like you set it.
On my bike stalling the engine keeps the TC off when it's turned off.
More off road orientated bikes have better TC's systems or like the T7 no TC at all.
I had a fall in offroad uphill because of adv 390 traction
Idk why they didn't put any traction control on their duke 390 when its helpful on road especially on rainy seasons. Traction control isn't really ideal for offroad
Oh, thats a very good question man :o
ok ,, well i have a 390 adventure , now i would normally use my ktm 250 exc 2 banger for full road riding , so my belief with the traction control is the bike {390 ) is a bike for on and some off road , so the traction control is used on road only . and the reason for ktm to have it switching back on would be for regulations , as per Australia , if that helps you understand . cheers , Steve/Australia
Hey man, thanks for commenting!
I know it is supposed to be the law, but somehow for 2022 they fixed this issue :o
And law or not, i dont like it :p
Thats basically the only message i wanted to convey :p
Thirty years ....and counting - New Honda XR650L 2022 ;-)
I wish they would follow that example here in Europe... XRs..DRs.. even the XTs...they are all gone :(
@@OFFroadOFFcourse Can only agree ... completely .. what we have understood after conversations with people in the industry. The Big4 has all the capacity, tools, parts, certifications, all ready to start production of 2022 year models of e.g. Suzuki DR650 and Honda XR650L and ship to Europe and the rest of the world that do not sell these dual sport models right now.
Yamaha WR250R (?) KLX300, KLR650, Drz400s, Dr650SE / S, XR650L and so forth. There are also many strange smaller displacement dual sports models that Usa Europe never sees either but is produced exclusively for the Asian market.
Everything for the Big4 is about how big the market base is for it to be profitable to produce. So if we start studying current sales figures for the United States together with Europe and then add more countries, there is the explanation for the lack of supply.
It will probably show that the above mentioned dual sports models from the Big4 sell so well in the Asian countries, do not know what it is like with South America and the Middle East? So it is not profitable to start up the band at the factory to only produce "European models" for little Europe ..
The whole thing is contradictory as they are the same platforms of dual sports but with different details for the different markets. But it's about EU emissions requirements and CoC documents qualityinspection.org/what-is-certificate-of-conformity-coc/ The even stranger thing is that California has many times stricter emissions requirements than the EU, then it becomes even more unclear . But a little more logical when i.g Enduro 21 reach out in articles to talk to Honda Europe to bring in Honda XR650L 2022 enduro21.com/en/bikes/latest/first-look-2022-honda-xr650l-yes-they -still-make-this-bike
Comparatively. When we talk about exhaust emissions for these dual sports, compare with all old American v8 muscle cars that are imported annually to Europe. The culture and interest is very great in the Scandinavian countries. These Japanese dual-sport bikes protected by the "grandfather clause" apparently do not apply to Europe. Europe is dependent on the USA and Asian market wanting new dual-sport models, as in the case of the CRF300L. KTM, Husqvarna and Gas Gas, on the other hand, are struggling to launch and enter markets outside Europe. Consequently, everything would have been much easier if the reasonably priced KTM 490 and sequel 590 Enduro R and Adventure R were launched, instead of going and waiting for the impossible from the Big4 and spending more time riding in to the wild: ->
Passionate about dualsport riding therefore too long texts ... ¯ \ _ (ツ) _ / ¯
Funny and interesting
I like the video. Well presented and entertaining. That's the case in practically all your videos. A question: are there off-road situations, when rear wheel spin is unwelcome? E.g. when trying to get out of a mud or something? Can you imagine a traction control which could help in those situations? Such TC, that would be activated by a mechanical switch instead of attempting a piano concerto in d-flat minor on a multi-function 32 inch touch screen?
Ahahah, great queation!
Well, you dont actually want wheel spin ever...on a perfect world traction wouldnt be broken ever... but you need it. If i could go through sand/mud/lose rocks without the wheel spining it would be great, but because the wheel naturally spins, the TC wants to stop that and it stalls the bike.
A good offroad tc like the one on the husqvarna allow a lot of wheelspin to happen, enough for youto have "a normal life", but not enough for the rear wheel to spin out of control during a powerslide (so it spins enough, but not too much).
As for your example of the bike stuck in mud: During my ktm690 review o got stuck on a deep water/muck pond with the TC ON, and because for some reason i could only turn the TC off with the bike moving, i couldnt take the bike out of there (but to be honest, when i finally turned the thing off i was stuck either way...so the TC didnt help, made it a bit worse, but i cant 100% blame it for the failure xD)
Thanks a lot for the video. First for the laugh. Second to show that on a dirt riding situation traction control is useless, and worst a nuisance. Off road riding it's using dynamics to get through, able to slide the rear wheel in a tight turn, lighting as needed the front wheel, compressing and decompressing the suspensions to pass a tree trunk or a big rock, keeping it going forward with a rear wheel spinning on the wet dead leaves, wet grass, gravel, sand, mud make your choice...
Surely it's useful under the rain with a 200 HP bike on asphalt, but on off road there is no utility. I imagine the engine cutting off when you're in the middle of a greasy muddy climb with your big 230 kg recalcitrant elephant ready to crush you a leg at the moment you need the most momentum to stay upright...
That's the problem of the innovation race marketing where innovation is not meant to improve the product but to sell more or to justify a higher price. And adding almost useless electronics is the cheapest way for a motorcycle producer to justify high prices, or to sell that is in fact an inferior bike, or the two at the same time. I would prefer better suspensions to any electronic aid.
The TC of the 690 works actually quite well. Of course you have to turn it off for deep sand and if you really want to do slides or wheelies. But on the other had in a muddy hill climb it actually reduces wheel slip and improves traction. ABS has to be off for off-road. It is insane to have it on if you a steep downhill.
I second this. I was sceptical myself, but now that I own a 701 I have to admit it’s a thing of beauty.
Hello. I have bad experience. Just bought a KTM RC 390 and leaving the dealership after 200 meters got a lowside. It's strange because MTC is on. It's a shame to drop a new bike.
Gostei de ver-te a meter mudanças como num carro enquanto falas de motas :D
Vem tudo no mesmo bolo...agarrados ao pitróile é assim, hehe :D
Obrigado por veres e comentares (como sempre!) :D
Maybe tc is for onroad use only for beginners
Yes, i agree! But thats exactly my point! ..they put stuff on the bike and people pay for it but almost no one really understands what these things do or how they work.
If it is for on-road use only, maybe they shouldnt put it on a "adventure" bike, at least not without a "On road use only!" Warning :D
Good video. You are correct on all accounts. However, if you read the manual and select the correct mode for the condition you are riding in you will find that the bike is very capable off-road, of course. :) "The road setting is bad in sand" is as surprising as "the foot pegs weren't designed for standing" comment you made in your previous videos bashing the 390. Maybe if you keep riding it maybe you'll figure out how to enjoy it more.
u real spit on this bike realy hard
Sou do mesmo pensamento que você Diogo....Eu estou pensando em tirar o ABS frontal da minha XTZ Lander já que não tenho a opção de desligar.... No asfalto é ótimo, mas off road é terrível 👎
Uma solução simples é criar um switch no fuzível do ABS (ou ainda mais simples, tirar o fuzivel e pronto :D)
Mas com o switch (no guiador/guidão por exemplo) passa a ser possível ligar e desligar o ABS facilmente ^^
Obrigado por veres e comentares!
This works only on road
Are they marketing the 390 adv as a beginners' adv bike? That sounds no bueno.
Apparently old-fashioned cavemen such like us like to feel the control and response directly on their wrists. Other than assists, my biggest turn-off for these things is the perceived increased unreliability (any comments on that?), and chances that if anything goes wrong, like a sensor not working properly, may badly affect the power output or stall the bike. If I learned well from RyanF9, i'd be taking out the circuit's fuse to disable TC.
3:45 is a norden review coming?
Thank you for the silly laughs at the beginning, now i´ll be off to rewatching that one. Cheers man.
Hey there man!
I think TCs make more sense in 100-150hp power bikes, where a less skilled rider could actually whisky-throttle himself to death... and even so, I think these things should all come with a permanent kill swtich. After all, bikes are toys and the symbol of freedom...they are not supposed to be vehicles that any random person will buy to go shopping with the whole family onboard... so I dont think the same kind of "nanny mentality" they use for cars should be used when making bikes or passing laws about them.
Regarding relaibility... I have mixed feelings. They happen less often than I predicted, but still often enough to be scary.. especially on very very tech-no-logically advanced motorcycles like the biggest advs (1200cc). There are some pretty grim stories with BMWs. And I'm not even saying BMW is worse than the other brands, its just that 8 in every 10 big advs bikes is a BMW; so the stories add up xD
@@OFFroadOFFcourse A long time ago I read or heard somewhere that BMW were making/selling so many GSes that quality controls were unable to catch on, and consequently a generation of them had electronic-related problems. Someone I knew had trouble with his early gen 800 GS. Very dangerous.
So you have to switch off on-road traction control if you want to break traction off-road, mind blowing...
Well, as you can see around 3:30 some other motorcycles actually knew what they were doing with their TCs and they work quite well offroad, so your observation isnt really that correct...
Im complaining about the TCs that dont work at all on offroad yet come equipped on so called adenture/dual-purpose bikes and on top of that, insist on rearming themselves everytime you stall. Whats the sense in that?
If it sucks offroad, at least let us shut it down permanently when you spend a day offroad... Right?
Either way, i dont know how often you ride motorcycles offroad, or whats your experience with these electronics, but i can guarantee that to me, and people like me, it makes no sense, it its dangerous, and its enough of a nonsensical nuisance to make a video about it on a free channel xD
You don't seem to understand the design use for traction control. The feature to allow you to tun it off, is designed to be used in an environment where you know you want to let the tire spin. So to leave TC on when you know you will being spinning the tire is a poor use of the traction control system. More expensive bikes have an off road mode for this reason. It will allow wheel spin with minimal interference.
Hey, thanks for comnenting.
The purpose of this video is precisely to inform uninformed people of 3 things:
1- there are TCs that work offroad, and TCs that dont (as i showed comparing the husqvarna with the ktm390)
2- that even so called adventure bikes may have these "non offroad capable TCs" so dont trust companies right away, be careful and inform yourself before buying
3- I am suggesting that if they are not offroad worthy, at least they should be easy to turn off AND STAY OFF, because when i go offroad i will be doing it the whole day, a i dont want to remember to turn off the TC every 5 min. Its a nuisance and its unsafe (actually, the owner of that bike broke both wrists cause he forgot to turn the tc off on an off road ride).
So yeah..i think all the 3 points of the video were legit enough xD
Im not saying all TCs in the world must be awesome offroad... Im saying the ones on adventure bikes should..or at least they should stay off when the rider needs them to
@@OFFroadOFFcourse All 3 points are legit and very important to share, just slow the roasts and ease up on trolling 390 ADV owners. It's a good bike that is cheap enough to personalize and use for whatever you want:
1) Bikes and coffee meet, more orange.
2) Highway touring? Throw on a bigger windscreen and panniers.
3) Commute? Add the quick shift and a tail tidy.
4) Twisty asphalt? Give 'er a tune and a slip on.
5) Dirt? Foot pegs, mirrors, hand guards, knobby tires, braces, guards, full suspension, cat delete, tune, resonator delete, charcoal canister bypass, exhaust, intake, high fender kit, bash plate and the KTM rally seat... and bob's your uncle.
Keep up the good work BTW! Love your videos.
So, is the new 2022 390's MTC a software fix that you can shoot into my 2021 or is it hardware and I need to get a new 390?
Thanks,
S
I have no idea. But 99% sure its all software...i dont see a reason for it not to be. Could still be hard to uploaded it to the old bike :o
You have to activate off-road mode for the traction control. That lets the rear spin
See 1:16 at th-cam.com/video/1_23t7a7BgM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=LAFd0CBQfEaiK6Pj
That is why the offroad mode on the 390 has TC off and abs on rear off. So it is only for road use.
I know but it sucks cause it turns on by itself everytime you turn off the bike (which sometimes is every 5min, if you are riding offroad with a group). At least to me, its waaaay too anoying :P
These electronic stuffs may not work how you expect or how manufacturer has promised you, but they make you pay a lot for them.
Its true :/
But let me say again that some do work! The norden 901 for instance has brilliant electronics, the GS1250, etc. The ones that took both road and offroad seriously really make their electronics work :)