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Hearing Zirzkee being booed off was the most embarassed I've been as a match-going Red in a long time. And don't get me wrong -- I'm hardly a bleeding heart; by all means boo the entire squad after losing 7-0 to Liverpool. But booing an individual kid in his first season who has no support and has had to adapt to two different managers/systems already is just utterly pathetic. I can (barely) tolerate how rotten this club has come but if the fans are going to start behaving like that...I can't stomach that. That is the true death of the club.
I would have no problem with fans booing Rashford for the interview he gave after being dropped for the first time. What a soft-ass bullshitter he is. But booing Zirkzee seemed a little harsh. Anyway, I think the fans were generally feeling disgusted at the state of the club and squad and took it out on Zirkzee (who has been terrible it must be said...lets not pretend otherwise)
Not real united fans don't, a real united fan supports and realises that the other 10 players on pitch were just as bad and doesn't boo a young player who's been here for 3 months embarrassing anyone of the front 6 could of been taken off casermiro was worse and eriksen
Zirkzee had a terrible afternoon and bringing him off was 100% the correct decision by Amorim. However, booing an individual as he comes off is wrong. I have no problem if after the final whistle the fans want to cheer or boo the players as a whole then fair enough, but we are NOT Liverpool, we DON'T boo players like they did with McManaman, Owen, Diouf etc. Although we're extremely poor atm, as a fanbase we're better than that. GGMU. #GlazersOutNow
@@Ligerpride Maybe the manager did consider that but decided against it? We just don't know. The key factor here though is that it's down to the 11 on the pitch to give 100% and try and do their bit to influence the game. If you have a player who is consistently giving the ball away when in good positions, you have a decision to make. I watched it live and I was shouting for Amorim to get him off. Whatever issues he had he was simply miles off the pace and that's not always the manager's fault. IF Zirkzee or any of them want to become top players they need to look at themselves first and ask themselves what can they do differently, to help their team mates! GGMU.
Fans don't choose which players we sign, they're given to us by the club. Zirkzee's the last on my list of players to boo, it's not his fault that he's not good enough for this system/league. But no way am I gonna be told not to boo a player as long as I have a reason to do so
Are you calling zirkzee treacherous or are you just looking for another scapegoat. Scapegoating is a disgusting instinct, if you were in post ww2 France I'm sure you'd be the first one doing those horrible things, I bet you were part of the mob that jumped on maguire when he was lacking confidence etc etc... and that really contributes to this club's demise tbh.
I don't know what some manu fans are smoking, we've bought mediocre players at hugely inflated prices for years, we've got a really bad attitude running through the club for year's, this is exactly where we are and it's going to get worse before it gets better
Boo the backroom team who brings these players in to start with, who is scouting these players Stevie Wonder. Its shocking the apathy of are recruitment over the last ten years with a billion spent with only Anthony to throw on the last ten minutes ffs. Can anything else go wrong ar this club. I've never coached in my life but even I know Casimero and Eriksson are done. Why why why keep playing them. Shouldn't boo players but everyone is fed up with this dribble. Maybe relegation is what the Glazer's and Rat Cliffe deserve greedy sods.
At a time when things continue to go pear shaped.....your balanced views are now part of my review the fact your a local lad and have made a career for yourself is fantastic.....and in a world where Johnny come lately get exposure because of outlandish comments and craving for being in the limelight......for years bought my share of UWS Red issue etc.....had many a laugh and easy read.....So today I'm going to get out a subscription for a good old fashioned paperback Keep going Andy All the best
Exactly right, I've said for years we keep buying weak, slow players, even Mainoo who is good but severely lacks pace and we cant recover from even a misplaced pass and generally concede.
Because they’re not already beaten before they get off the bus, like they used to be. They sense weakness and they’re going to have a go. Liverpool went through this in the early 90s after their period of dominance.
Martinez was very loyal to ETH as are those who have followed him and joined this season. They are shell shocked by the stupidity of INEOS. They bought into ETH’s style of play. Then he gets sacked. At the worse time. New guy comes in pushing a new system without time to train it. As a player… you just think the decision makers above are idiots. Especially when we go a full year without a fit left back in the side. Plus it makes Dalot appear poor because he’s playing out of position. Confuses. Demotivates. Evidences in the results. I don’t agree the players are poor. They’re getting messed about. Then players get boo’d… like that helps. Tell INEOS they’re to blame.
Good point I agree. I suspect the reason Ashworth was sacked is due to differences of oppiniom with him saying something like what you're saying about putting faith in the project which we were building with the manager whose been involved in recruitment, instead of changing mid-stream. I recogn INEOS will have pressed him for quick-fix solutions and he will have suggested some unpopular managers who he (rightly) thinks suits the squad we have at the moment, but INEOS were of the opinion that they suited a 343 and somehow thinking that you can just bring in a "style of play" from a proper club just by pinching their manager. Now they're probably shocked that they are struggling even more learning a new system mid-season. Meanwhile ETH and Ashworth look like they knew football more than INEOS and their "best in class" experts.
@@Ligerpride he’s not had a decent left back to support him… which takes him out of position. He’s been let down more than anyone and I don’t think a back 3 suits him at all. He won the World Cup with Argentina. The team didn’t carry him… he’s top drawer and plays with Roy Keane like passion. Just not at present because he’s lost the manager who brought him and is now in a system that leaves him exposed. Of course he’ll leave if Amorim stays. Most likely is they’ll both go. Once the crescendo of criticism gets onto the back of a manager, at such a high profile club… you’ve forever got a target on your back. The media love it… The worse part is Utd don’t have the money (new stadium plans, fair play rules, higher wages than average, lower income than ‘usual’, less sponsorship monies, incoming fees for new management (and aborted costs when they exit)). Glazers still there. INEOS decision making…??
@@stevejohnson170 fans will not go up against the ownership to shit houses to do that they pick on a kid instead that says it all about Utd fans doesn’t it
Always enjoy your take, been a horrible calendar year for United, but always a pleasure to watch these. Happy new year and may 2025 be the best year yet, for every one, but in particular United :)
Hi Andy thanks for everything in2024 happy New year Andy and everyone in the chat fantastic community hopefully new year will be better 👍love from Dublin
I have to say Andy you are probably the only journalist/commentator I want to listen to. And I really hope you read this and say something about it. I think the reason why United players cant perform is due to the non stop scrutiny of players and managers by media and pundits. Ive been a fan for 44 years (since I was 6 years old) and I love all our former players. I love Keano Neville Scholesy Rio Owen and lot. But do you see any other clubs former players giving their former clubs players a hard time. I never see Ian Wright criticizing arsenal excessively, I never see Lamps, Terry Drogba criticizing Chelsea. Or Carra criticizing liverpool players. We live in a time when most of our players are from Gen Z ..all they know is social media. Gen Z cant handle criticism well .. as in any job we all know that. Its easy for Roy to say in our time .. but im from that generation. It was different. We get scolded or shouted at and we buckle down and get on with it. This generation cant take those criticisms. So they cant handle all this media hype. Every other person is a man utd pundit on tv, on youtube etc. So can everybody just shut up and let our players and manager and club get on with it. Except for Andy Mitten. So Andy please say something about this ..
This is true, but I can assure you the criticism you get at big foreign clubs is as big if not bigger (just listen to Pep on this issue). I follow Portuguese football a bit and it's a madhouse. For example, at Amorim's ex-club, the fans literally invaded the dressing room and beat up the players and coach at the instigation of the owner. Makes United look almost normal..
We don’t see other x players criticising their teams because their teams are doing well. It’s the modern world where every single small detail is scrutinized. If we play well/win it’s discussed exactly the same way if we lose. It’s tough right now for us but we can’t moan about media or x players. They have to be honest- and they are cause we are absolute rubbish right now. However, it will change- I’ve no idea when but it will. Look at city, nobody would have forecast that 4months ago. And as good as Arsenal are they don’t win anything- always fall short in the league. Chelsea- a lot of people talking about them challenging- look at their last 2 results. They’ve no chance now. Things change, and they will for Utd.
Hear what you’re saying pal but the players are too mollycoddled these days. If they don’t want to hear the criticism stay off social media. They need to start putting a shift in and respect the United badge as a vast majority of them don’t look like they give a f**k.
@@brianhyland3021. Spot on but as much as the form of City is baffling and they look to have come to the end of their current cycle , the fact Arsenal don’t win things and Chelsea fucking up looks like the bin dippers could piss the league 🤮. 20-20 then. Can’t be having that.
Completely agree with the original post. In an ideal world we want Gen Zers to toughen up and face the hard truth. But let’s be real. That ain’t happening. When the going gets tough, most can’t perform, blame others or just don’t care. That sums up our players and as much as we love our ex legends, they need to realize they are part of the problem with their excessive criticism. Chelsea were crap under potter lamps and most of the season under poch. Did we hear JT lamps drogba slaughter them? No. When Arsenal were crap under emery and artetas initial years, did Ian Wright or any of the invincibles slaughter them? No. Klopp had a few dodgy seasons but did carra Stevie g slam them? No. So to rio nev keane scholes we love you. We love hearing your podcasts about stories from the past but please keep it at that. Take a leaf out of Bex…we know he truly loves the club.
As an overseas fan I am wondering if the players are just in some kind of shell shock under all the scrutiny and pressure? It seems like they just don’t want to play or improve, do they even want to play for the club anymore and want to exit?
They've had pressure for years. This is the first time the spotlight is on them. We've had too many managers to let them away with it any longer. They either step up or move on.
@powermonger9090 as an overstreets fan I'm wondering why an overseas fan would ask if the players are in some kind of shell shock? Who do you think is qualified to answer this?
Being unable to handle the pressure at united is nothing new. I remember growing up as a child my dad would tell me about players in the 70s and 80s that joined the club with big reputations and cracked, unable to handle the size of the club and the pressure that comes with it.
As a Newcastle fan i couldn't believe what i was watching in that first half. Appreciate that Amorim has only been there for 5 minutes but him being wedded to this new system that obviously doesn't compliment what your current players can do and a refusal to change this for the betterment of the team and getting results spells absolute disaster. As soon as Mainoo came on last night the midfield for you guys improved as you had legs in there. Say what you want about your current team and players in form but that mistake of not starting Mainoo was on Amorim last night. He needs to learn and learn quickly.
@@richyclubsport5155 in my opinion i think amorim is an extremely bright coach who comes across really well but the danger is that he's walking into a team mid season and doesn't have the time or space to develop his strategy with the players. i remember a few seasons back with us when we were in serious danger of going down around Xmas/New Year time and the board made signings to help us stay up and in the end it paid off. You guys definitely need 2/3 bodies in who can lift the team for next year
Two things I had drummed into me when I started going to games: Reds don’t wear colours You don’t boo your own I know it’s Xmas, but how do people not know this? We’re Man United, not Spurs or Chelsea
100% agree with Andy's point on the Zirkzee issue. What possible good can it do to destroy any players confidence? Players need confidence for form, if their form isn't good then we lose. If they arent good enough, let the management move them on without destroying their transfer value even further. Any fan who thinks otherwise needs to get a dictionary and check what the words UNITED and SUPPORTER mean. Our job is to support our team. To do our best to give the lads energy, to make them know that we are one. Once a player puts on the shirt we expect them to give their all, us supporters should do the same. If they arent doing their job on the pitch, let Amorim sort it out. If you wear the United badge in the stands, do your job and roar all of our boys on. Through thick or thin keep the red flag flying high, united will never die. Live it.
Why are we consistently saying this team isn’t fit. That’s an absolute disgrace when all they do is train and get paid hundreds of thousands of pounds to play football, nothing else.
Desperately need a moment or a spark to jolt this lot into life just something anything because its getting closer to the trapdoor, happy new year Andy, hopefully mufc can turn this around quickly, UTFR 💪🇾🇪
They'll talk about the postt Ferguson era far into the future but Ferguson's, and other's, silence on the Glazer parasites will be his greatest legacy at the club imo.
absolutely criminal. For all of Fergies talk of community and playing for the working class man, remembering where you've come from, that all went out the window when the glazers came into town. It weren't exactly a secret what their intentions were going to be from the very start.
@rolfetone Confidence? I'm not sure how they have the confidence, or should we be real and call it what it is; I'm not sure how they have the sheer temerity to feel they deserve to be paid millions of pounds a year to produce absolute garbage. We're not cheerleaders we're not here to further inflate their massive egos
@ not saying accept it but if 70,000 people cheer you and show encouragement then it’s going to make you play better. True United fans would not boo there own players. We all know it’s bad at the moment but to keep knocking the players will only make it worse.
Nice one Andy this has been needed for yrs the players are not good enuff not all but most and this manager is showing us all that Happy new yr Andy the bin dippers are waiting 🇾🇪🔰✌️
The worse is yet to come. Sunday could be one of the most humiliating days in our history. Zirkzee - he is terrible for United in his short career, but the poor lad looks lost. You make these decisions to move clubs but regret every minute and in some ways it shows. And if the club genuinely have no budget the January, we are doomed.
Unfortunately, it now looks like Amorim is a worse manager than Ten hag. The results don't lie, getting worse every week and he admitted last night he only has one system that he can play. 2 wins in 8 PL games is catastrophic form, and it's only going one way.
He's clearly not worse than his predecessor. There is obvious evidence of a structure being put in place and coaching being done (which wasn't evident under Ten Hag). With so many games, there has not been much time to practice these set ups in training. I said, after the FA Cup, that Ten Hag should have been sacked. Defeating a hungover City changed nothing, in my view. To keep him on AND give him a 12 month extension was nothing short of ludicrous. Not only did it deny his inevitable replacement both a pre season and the opportunity to influence player recruitment but it, also, reduced what little cash was available with even more compensation due. Ineos were supposed to bring in the football knowledge and support that had never been there under just the Glazers. They, too, have been found wanting, massively.
@ArthurRoss-r9r Totally agree ETH should have gone after cup final. But there is no evidence, zero, of any improvement under Amorim. At this stage, we are heading for relegation, and RA admitted last night he only has one idea of how to play. Of course, we all want it to work, but if it doesn't improve quickly, I fear he'll be gone. It's a results business and no European football, never mind relegation would be a financial disaster.
@roryjohnston1123 Please read what I said. Ten Hag should have been sacked and his replacement given both a preseason AND a summer transfer window. Anyone coming in with this group of players is going to fail. If we go down, it will not be Amorim's fault.
@ArthurRoss-r9r I agree totally with you. But unfortunately, he didn't get a preseason etc. His results managing this team are worse than ETH's and he has admitted he only has one system to play. United are heading for relegation on current form, which isn't something Ineos can afford. Unless there is a quick turnaround, he will be sacked. Nobody wants to see it, but that's football.
@@summan41man please dont forget this - ANY coach should work on this FIRST instead of talking about transfers and Tactics - show me the coach can coach the basics of under 10's football Defending a corner - if that doesnt improve - - get a specialised coach like Arsenal did, or no new players until this is done.
Not surprised by the behaviour of the crowd , to some extent they are following the online treatment of players . Apparently all insults and rumours and accusations about players and their " lifestyles " is ok and circulating such unsubstantiated and uncredited rumour is an acceptable way to earn a living , while maintaining a privileged position around the club. By now it kinda feels it hard to tell who is and is not an independent voice . For now it is ok to blame individual players .The off field tragedy which is darker than the onfield performances in which 100s have been sacked ,charity funds cut,price rises imposed, club legends cut adrift and even Christmas bonuses cut . Standards we are told are what are important to the success of the club are these the standards . At times it seems ,just like when the parasitic worm that eventually gains control of the host animal the online commentators and opinions have taken hold of the life force of the club and that essence has become septic , putrid and rotten. We should all look to our own part in this fiasco noone is clean when shit is hurled around.
If Man Utds leadership feels buyers remorse thats on them - Amorim has been open about how he wanted to play from the beginning. He's a good coach - things have fallen apart at Sporting and his replacement has already been sacked. Switching system midway through the season would always negatively affect performances. But Amorim is not responsible for the catalogue of costly individual errors probably less so set pieces which are being exploited. Ugarte and Bruno missing clearly affected us. Ratcliffe and Berrada should be giving Amorim more support publically. And make moves in the January transfer window. I can't see another serious coach taking the leadership seriously otherwise.
@@dmizzle73 you seem to be attributing Amorim’s replacement being fired as some sort an endorsement of Amorim when to me it makes me think “hmmm, was his legacy built on sand?” and was he so wedded to this system that when the team then change to something else they can’t adapt. He’s going to look silly if he keeps playing naive tactics and selections and the leathering keep coming. Sometimes you have to take your medicine and be pragmatic when you’re not as good as the opposition.
@@languageoffootball counter example - Sir Alex Ferguson. Legacies are extremely fragile for a lot of reasons and I think my point is valid. Pragmatism is not a path to consistent performance. Maybe it's all jam tomorrow but I'd like to see us develop a style of play (Amorim's teams played exciting football and maybe 343 is the future) and I'll withhold judgement for a bit longer before giving up on the coach.
@@dmizzle73 possibly but we must also remember this is a 39 year old whose body of work is entirely at the helm of a club operating in a league that’s considered 5th or 6th rate in Europe. Doesn’t mean he won’t eventually be a good manager over here but I’m not sure he’s the right man for now.
@@dmizzle73 as fans you should always support the team/manager on the pitch. Those highly paid execs can make the decision if or when appropriate and they should have more of an idea given there’s more of a structure in place and clearer reporting lines. Often in football when you think I don’t agree with that sacking or that sacking often it turns out to be the right decision as the judgement is a lot more holistic in terms of how the manager is day to day, man management skills, does he get on with staff in general and have the ability to bind a culture, can he manage down as well as up, is he the first to arrive and the last to leave, what do the players really think about him inside the club once all the socials and cameras are out of the way, how does he approach time keeping, discipline, nutrition, does he put his ideas across in ways in which players can understand and a that they actually believe in etc etc. As fans you hardly see any of all of this other stuff and that’s one of the reasons it’s so hard to understand at the time why a manager has gone. There are usually fairly compelling reasons other than simply the 90 mins a fan see every week.
Quite right about Zirkzee. Think whoever was subbed would have been booed though, was more about frustration with the state of things than the person. Some very experienced pros were just as bad.
Andy, there are so many questions than answers. Who sanctioned the Zirkzee deal? Was he a Ten Hag choice because I am so sure he cant play transition football. People have caused financial loss to Man Utd
You can safely say that any Dutch players or players with an Eredivisie background were players that ETH demanded or asked to buy. I can't believe that the supposed quality personnel that INEOS brought in to run the football department went along with it. It is their responsibility to identify transfer targets and to negotiate good deals, not to defer to ETH at that time. I also can't understand that they also agreed to pay huge overs for almost all the players that came in during the last window, which makes me think that they aren't competent at all. Ashworth paid the penalty, but what about the others? Berrada signed off on all those deals with the knowledge that United was walking a PSR tightrope, which makes him more responsible than anyone else. None of those players have looked good so far, but Zirkzee has been putrid.
Mazraoui better at RCB and looks majorly out of his depth at RWB. Add to that Dalot at LWB and it’s a disaster, time to put Amad back to RWB as he wants to be wide anyway. Can’t be playing two fullbacks in those roles as we can’t get up the pitch. Best performances have come with Amad at RWB but people just remember the little moments at City and think he has to be a #10 now. Ugarte and Mainoo have to be the two midfielders going forward and regularly, yes Ugarte was missing last night but it’s suicidal putting Eriksen and Casemiro together. Bruno will always play and likely at #10, so he needs legs and a runner next to him on the right, as Dalot on the left side means the left #10 has to be someone wanting to run in behind and to the byline, not another Bruno type player who wants in the pocket, as Dalot just hesitates before going forward and loads of space to attack. Got to back the manager, as not one of these are his players, but he’s also got to start making sensible decisions now. We can all see what works and who doesn’t, so time for trialing them has gone, they’ve had their chance.
As poor as Zirkzee was, singling out a player like that is just not on. Especially when he's a young lad as you say Andy and the whole team, including vastly experienced players, was so atrocious. Wouldn't surprise me if he leaves on loan in January.
If you are starting Maguire, Casa and Erickson as what is essentially your central midfield during build up your gonna have problems when it gets turned over. Zirkzee doesn’t deserve that kind of treatment either.
INEOS are the biggest existential threat United have faced since the Munich air disaster. I’ve been saying this since Ratcliffe bought his way into the club. We are in deep, deep trouble. He’s already taken a hatchet to the values and ethos that the likes of Busby, Ferguson and Charlton brought to the club. There will be zero returns on the pitch. Even a cursory glance at his track record in and out of sport is enough to show us that we are done. This man we bury us so deep we may never recover.
Zero sympathy for United fans. They have supported the Glazers for the last twenty years by attending matches and buying club merchandise, yet they still have the nerve to moan about them. You can't have it both ways.
These players should all check their eligibility for ECO4, it’s the only chance they will have to qualify for anything! 😢 Happy New Year Andy, well perhaps just from August onwards 🎉😊
Rasmus missed a great chance first half Andy, despite playing shite we could have drawn or won which is even more crazy. Please stop making excuses for Ratcliffe.
Just a point on Zirkzee, he wasn't booed, he was given "ironic" cheers when being taken off. Its much the same but its not quite as negative as being booed.
@@karlos55555 just a Utd fan being a Utd fan more excuses why don’t they all grow a pair & start at the ownership no they don’t have the balls to do that but will bully a kid
Yeah a year out of Europe, and the loss of income and the impact that will have on recruitment is just what the club needs. They should really change that rule that you can’t play younger players if you’re in Europe.
We do have to accept that, no matter how good a manager Ruben may be, he is not used to this depth. Like everyone else he will have to adapt at some point when he realises the tools he has at present don’t fit his system. It’s m not necessarily that they are bad tools, it may be more about timing, but the decline is visible more and more in every match.
Is it the system? Is it the coach? Are the players not suited to it? If new players can't be bought, is there suitable talent waiting in the academy? It's one hell of a conundrum to resolve.
It's gonna be a long long road, what's weird about all of this last pre season after Ten Hags 1st season it felt like we were on a good course then the injury crisis derailed us and we ended on a high beating City in the final making it a case of wjat might have been which would indicate this is a good team then we have the last pre season and it looked like we signed strategically and would kick on and here we are now saying we need a clear out it's bewildering how badly we have got recruitment wrong , their not up to the level required so why buy them
amorim might be a great tactician, but he's obviously not a great motivator. as far as zirkzee is concerned, DO NOT blame the fans, blame the manager for making a tactical substitution in the 32nd minute! amorim was giving fans who had had to endure the worst 30 mins possibly ever seen by a united side in the PL era, a huge chance to VENT!
Subbing off Zirkzee like that was disgraceful. Shocking management. Amorim should be ashamed of himself for giving him a public execution like that infront of 73,000 people cheering and booing him off. As a manager you picked that team so give him to half time at least and then make the change. Any chance of Zirkzee succeeding at United was destroyed tonight and that’s on Amorim
@brionocallaghan3742 No, it's on Zirkzee. Like any adult, he is solely responsible for his own actions. Zirkzee can respond to this however he chooses.
fast note : man utd is the club of glories and champions and can handle any chalenges and yes 343 is a hard formation and need more games to make it works and my feelings with zirkzee and happy new year all ✨
@@summan41manbecause we were 2nd in summer 2021 and the collapse in squad quality with 'promising' expensive flops (Sancho, Antony, Mount, Zirkzee, Hojlund etc). Thar 2021 squad had glaring holes, but no position has been improved.
Midfield overrun and it was totally predictable. Are we sure 343 will work? Ruben needs time and more suitable players so we can’t panic but I’d be happier with 2 CDMs or we just get overrun. After the next 2 games we have a decent run of winnable fixtures. By March things will be clearer where we are. Keep the faith and support the team
Amorim showed it at Sporting, Ten hag showed it at Ajax. V Gaal showed it at several teams. You cant copy paste a playing style to the Premier League unless you can spend without a maximum. United need to have their own style, and tell the manager how to play. Not the other way around. Its clearly not working that way for 15 years now
andy, we all hate the cuts. but the reality of psr is that balance sheets count. united are the only team in the premier league whose accounts are totally transparent so their balance sheet has to be actually truthful. there is a lot or room for creative accounting if your accounts are not going to the united states securities and exchange commission.
I've been going home and away since the 60s and last night is the end for me .Booing one of our own get me in to trouble with the fans around me in the Stretford end. I left at half time and throw my season ticket in the Canal to say I'm heart broken is an understatement !!!!
United have to sell to buy in January with several players obviously not fitting Amorim's system and with the 2 biggest earners Rashford and Casemiro the obvious ones to get off the wage bills asap. Zirkzee and Garnacho should also be considered. I know United won't get their value when selling because of their wages and maybe have to loan to buy players instead of buying but it's more important to reinforce the team now than keeping more or less unusable players on high wages. If not United could easily be in a relegation battle soon but on the other hand doing business might be enough to win United the Europa League trophy and a Champion's league spot. Anyway, 2024 was terrible so let's hope for a much better 2025 for United. Happy New Year!
Too many average players without a true desire to fight. Big contracts, impossible to move on some players and no transfer money to fix the rot. This is what the Glazers have done.
United were very very poor but Newcastle were very very good indeed. When you put Casemiro and Eriksson against Tonali, Linton and Guimares you are already staring down the barrel. We were actually on a tour at Old Trafford on the Sunday before the game when the Newcastle kit people arrived to drop off all the kit/spin bikes etc etc--they were so positive, nice and generally knew that they were by far the better team. You could feel the confidence. Zirzkee was shocking last night and should have not been selected but the booing was a step too far. As always a massive shout out to the wonderful team in the Salford Grill--exceptional as always!!
If you leave wingers one on one in acres of space what do you expect? Radcliffe has been a disaster scaring all the staff and trying to cadge a free ground off the FA. He has 16Bill get your hand in your pocket mate
Can it get any worse than it is at the moment? I mean this season is over but my worry guys is, are we likely to see this again next season? (assuming we survive relegation)
I enjoyed the little dig at Newcastle re spending time in the second tier. Gone from trying to compete with Real Madrid and Liverpool for European Cups to poking fun at the wee club in the north east who've just turned you over. Happy new year 🍻
I'm a blue and Utd fans booing that young kid on the pitch and then cheering when he was took off is a new low and an embarrassment to your club. You're a disgrace and I fully agree with Neville on this, pound for pound you're the worst club in the Premier League
Andy, you backed Moyes, you backed Ten Hag. You knew what was going on with Rashford, but decided to sit on the information. Why? Out of fear? As a so-called "top-red" you're supposed to love the club, but riding the gravy train trumps telling the truth I guess. Though you stuck the knife in when it was safe to do so.
United only just stayed up in 73 they were poor, and in 74 they deserved to go down, they were not good enough. They are very poor at present but not likely to go down, other teams below are. In 74, 2 teams from 22 went down (9%); now it is 3 from 20 (15%). We need to support the manager and his beliefs, they WILL work.
Amorim is'picking a team to win games'.... reallly feels he isn't, seems more interested in proving a point. This squad can't play this system. Dalot is a RIGHT back, Case & Eriksen need more MF support and the only attackers we had that were feared were Garnacho & Rashord. Hoijund & Zirkzee are never will be's.
If you change the system like all the other managers did at the end of their tenure you end up with a team that dictates what to do to the manager... Which is why we've been shit for years
One thing I've noticed is the non-stop media commitments Amorim has had since taking charge. How many interviews has the man had?! The circus around united is nothing new, but surely the hierarchy has to take steps to protect the managers time, if anything else. How are you supposed to get things done if media takes precedence over planning and training?
it was man vs boys yesterday. in the 1st half it felt like a match between a pl side and a league 2 side. it was beyond embarassment. it was a torture.
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Hearing Zirzkee being booed off was the most embarassed I've been as a match-going Red in a long time. And don't get me wrong -- I'm hardly a bleeding heart; by all means boo the entire squad after losing 7-0 to Liverpool. But booing an individual kid in his first season who has no support and has had to adapt to two different managers/systems already is just utterly pathetic. I can (barely) tolerate how rotten this club has come but if the fans are going to start behaving like that...I can't stomach that. That is the true death of the club.
When did 23 year old men become kids? This is the actual problem
But your'll be Watching the Next Game 👏👏
I think zirkzee is rubbish. Lacks everything needed to be a utd player but fans should be booing or chanting against glaziers ratclife and his mafia
@@summan41manno, you're the problem if you think that is ok
I would have no problem with fans booing Rashford for the interview he gave after being dropped for the first time. What a soft-ass bullshitter he is. But booing Zirkzee seemed a little harsh. Anyway, I think the fans were generally feeling disgusted at the state of the club and squad and took it out on Zirkzee (who has been terrible it must be said...lets not pretend otherwise)
Ive noticed way too many fans these days booing and I’m not a fan of it. Always back your players, maybe I’m just too old school but there it is.
Agree 100%. Boo to the boo boys.
It's not old school, it's empathy and appreciation of psychology and what it means to support!
@@nickohhhAnd using psychological evidence, please elaborate on how supporting incompetency is productive?
Am the same but it's becoming a joke we buy food or decent players and they get worse
It's todays society....savage dullards rule
We don’t boo our own players! We are not Chelsea ffs
@Daza986 get your pots and pans and get on your doorstep, happy clappy time!
other players like rashford, pogba, martial have all been booed, it's very much what united fans do
Not real united fans don't, a real united fan supports and realises that the other 10 players on pitch were just as bad and doesn't boo a young player who's been here for 3 months embarrassing anyone of the front 6 could of been taken off casermiro was worse and eriksen
@@Isaac-l4j4nRasmus been here 2 years he as got 2 goals in 14 games now that’s a waste of money
No no. You absolutely are not Chelsea.
Zirkzee had a terrible afternoon and bringing him off was 100% the correct decision by Amorim. However, booing an individual as he comes off is wrong. I have no problem if after the final whistle the fans want to cheer or boo the players as a whole then fair enough, but we are NOT Liverpool, we DON'T boo players like they did with McManaman, Owen, Diouf etc. Although we're extremely poor atm, as a fanbase we're better than that. GGMU. #GlazersOutNow
Like the team…some in the fan base have no stomach for adversity. Like the players, they need to move on.
The manager could have asked Zirkzee to play a bit deeper then take him off at half-time. It was a bit humiliating.
@@Ligerpride Maybe the manager did consider that but decided against it? We just don't know. The key factor here though is that it's down to the 11 on the pitch to give 100% and try and do their bit to influence the game. If you have a player who is consistently giving the ball away when in good positions, you have a decision to make. I watched it live and I was shouting for Amorim to get him off. Whatever issues he had he was simply miles off the pace and that's not always the manager's fault. IF Zirkzee or any of them want to become top players they need to look at themselves first and ask themselves what can they do differently, to help their team mates! GGMU.
Booing former players not the same...
Had a terrible afternoon, He’d only played 30 minutes 😂
Never boo your players, even when they leave the club. I am ashamed of some of our fans!
Never boo treachery, never boo disrespect, just applaud when you're being taken for a fool. Great logic
Brentford Bournmouth to name just 2.... And United are now Inferior to those 2
Fans don't choose which players we sign, they're given to us by the club. Zirkzee's the last on my list of players to boo, it's not his fault that he's not good enough for this system/league. But no way am I gonna be told not to boo a player as long as I have a reason to do so
@@garyeld13 boo a player but let the ownership walk all over them & take it & say nothing that’s a Utd fan for u
Are you calling zirkzee treacherous or are you just looking for another scapegoat. Scapegoating is a disgusting instinct, if you were in post ww2 France I'm sure you'd be the first one doing those horrible things, I bet you were part of the mob that jumped on maguire when he was lacking confidence etc etc... and that really contributes to this club's demise tbh.
I don't know what some manu fans are smoking, we've bought mediocre players at hugely inflated prices for years, we've got a really bad attitude running through the club for year's, this is exactly where we are and it's going to get worse before it gets better
Relegation will be the best thing that's happened us in a decade.
The problem is some fans think players like Hojlund is good.
@@killbotone6210 Don't think we'll get out of the Championship as quickly as we did last time. This lot of pampered darlings will suffer down there.
We have 75 % of the team who are too slow at this level, they can't recover when we lose the ball and jog like they are treading water.
Boo the backroom team who brings these players in to start with, who is scouting these players Stevie Wonder. Its shocking the apathy of are recruitment over the last ten years with a billion spent with only Anthony to throw on the last ten minutes ffs. Can anything else go wrong ar this club. I've never coached in my life but even I know Casimero and Eriksson are done. Why why why keep playing them. Shouldn't boo players but everyone is fed up with this dribble. Maybe relegation is what the Glazer's and Rat Cliffe deserve greedy sods.
At a time when things continue to go pear shaped.....your balanced views are now part of my review the fact your a local lad and have made a career for yourself is fantastic.....and in a world where Johnny come lately get exposure because of outlandish comments and craving for being in the limelight......for years bought my share of UWS Red issue etc.....had many a laugh and easy read.....So today I'm going to get out a subscription for a good old fashioned paperback
Keep going Andy
All the best
Every team that we play seems to run faster, pass faster, tackle better and stronger and fitter!!
and most importantly....Score Goals
@ you do half of the above better and you will score goals.
Exactly. Our players simply look inferior in every department
Exactly right, I've said for years we keep buying weak, slow players, even Mainoo who is good but severely lacks pace and we cant recover from even a misplaced pass and generally concede.
Because they’re not already beaten before they get off the bus, like they used to be. They sense weakness and they’re going to have a go. Liverpool went through this in the early 90s after their period of dominance.
Hi Andy, thanks for that even though we all knew that hurt. I love my club. We will get through this. Happy New Year for when it comes.
Martinez was very loyal to ETH as are those who have followed him and joined this season. They are shell shocked by the stupidity of INEOS. They bought into ETH’s style of play. Then he gets sacked. At the worse time. New guy comes in pushing a new system without time to train it. As a player… you just think the decision makers above are idiots. Especially when we go a full year without a fit left back in the side. Plus it makes Dalot appear poor because he’s playing out of position. Confuses. Demotivates. Evidences in the results. I don’t agree the players are poor. They’re getting messed about.
Then players get boo’d… like that helps. Tell INEOS they’re to blame.
Martinez has played with the energy of a guy who wants to leave. He has been terrible all season and he has been sloppy and reckless.
Good point I agree. I suspect the reason Ashworth was sacked is due to differences of oppiniom with him saying something like what you're saying about putting faith in the project which we were building with the manager whose been involved in recruitment, instead of changing mid-stream.
I recogn INEOS will have pressed him for quick-fix solutions and he will have suggested some unpopular managers who he (rightly) thinks suits the squad we have at the moment, but INEOS were of the opinion that they suited a 343 and somehow thinking that you can just bring in a "style of play" from a proper club just by pinching their manager.
Now they're probably shocked that they are struggling even more learning a new system mid-season. Meanwhile ETH and Ashworth look like they knew football more than INEOS and their "best in class" experts.
@@Ligerpride he’s not had a decent left back to support him… which takes him out of position. He’s been let down more than anyone and I don’t think a back 3 suits him at all. He won the World Cup with Argentina. The team didn’t carry him… he’s top drawer and plays with Roy Keane like passion. Just not at present because he’s lost the manager who brought him and is now in a system that leaves him exposed. Of course he’ll leave if Amorim stays. Most likely is they’ll both go. Once the crescendo of criticism gets onto the back of a manager, at such a high profile club… you’ve forever got a target on your back. The media love it…
The worse part is Utd don’t have the money (new stadium plans, fair play rules, higher wages than average, lower income than ‘usual’, less sponsorship monies, incoming fees for new management (and aborted costs when they exit)). Glazers still there. INEOS decision making…??
Martinez is the Lanister dwarf
@@stevejohnson170 fans will not go up against the ownership to shit houses to do that they pick on a kid instead that says it all about Utd fans doesn’t it
Always enjoy your take, been a horrible calendar year for United, but always a pleasure to watch these. Happy new year and may 2025 be the best year yet, for every one, but in particular United :)
The likes of Bournemouth and Forest have transformed their fortunes with good young motivated players, we keep buying bloated overrated players
Hi Andy thanks for everything in2024 happy New year Andy and everyone in the chat fantastic community hopefully new year will be better 👍love from Dublin
I have to say Andy you are probably the only journalist/commentator I want to listen to.
And I really hope you read this and say something about it. I think the reason why United players cant perform is due to the non stop scrutiny of players and managers by media and pundits. Ive been a fan for 44 years (since I was 6 years old) and I love all our former players. I love Keano Neville Scholesy Rio Owen and lot. But do you see any other clubs former players giving their former clubs players a hard time. I never see Ian Wright criticizing arsenal excessively, I never see Lamps, Terry Drogba criticizing Chelsea. Or Carra criticizing liverpool players. We live in a time when most of our players are from Gen Z ..all they know is social media. Gen Z cant handle criticism well .. as in any job we all know that. Its easy for Roy to say in our time .. but im from that generation. It was different. We get scolded or shouted at and we buckle down and get on with it. This generation cant take those criticisms. So they cant handle all this media hype. Every other person is a man utd pundit on tv, on youtube etc. So can everybody just shut up and let our players and manager and club get on with it. Except for Andy Mitten. So Andy please say something about this ..
This is true, but I can assure you the criticism you get at big foreign clubs is as big if not bigger (just listen to Pep on this issue). I follow Portuguese football a bit and it's a madhouse. For example, at Amorim's ex-club, the fans literally invaded the dressing room and beat up the players and coach at the instigation of the owner. Makes United look almost normal..
We don’t see other x players criticising their teams because their teams are doing well. It’s the modern world where every single small detail is scrutinized. If we play well/win it’s discussed exactly the same way if we lose. It’s tough right now for us but we can’t moan about media or x players. They have to be honest- and they are cause we are absolute rubbish right now. However, it will change- I’ve no idea when but it will. Look at city, nobody would have forecast that 4months ago. And as good as Arsenal are they don’t win anything- always fall short in the league. Chelsea- a lot of people talking about them challenging- look at their last 2 results. They’ve no chance now. Things change, and they will for Utd.
Hear what you’re saying pal but the players are too mollycoddled these days. If they don’t want to hear the criticism stay off social media. They need to start putting a shift in and respect the United badge as a vast majority of them don’t look like they give a f**k.
@@brianhyland3021. Spot on but as much as the form of City is baffling and they look to have come to the end of their current cycle , the fact Arsenal don’t win things and Chelsea fucking up looks like the bin dippers could piss the league 🤮. 20-20 then. Can’t be having that.
Completely agree with the original post. In an ideal world we want Gen Zers to toughen up and face the hard truth. But let’s be real. That ain’t happening. When the going gets tough, most can’t perform, blame others or just don’t care. That sums up our players and as much as we love our ex legends, they need to realize they are part of the problem with their excessive criticism. Chelsea were crap under potter lamps and most of the season under poch. Did we hear JT lamps drogba slaughter them? No. When Arsenal were crap under emery and artetas initial years, did Ian Wright or any of the invincibles slaughter them? No. Klopp had a few dodgy seasons but did carra Stevie g slam them? No.
So to rio nev keane scholes we love you. We love hearing your podcasts about stories from the past but please keep it at that. Take a leaf out of Bex…we know he truly loves the club.
Thanks for the video Andy .. on and on it goes .. painful it is.
As an overseas fan I am wondering if the players are just in some kind of shell shock under all the scrutiny and pressure? It seems like they just don’t want to play or improve, do they even want to play for the club anymore and want to exit?
They've had pressure for years. This is the first time the spotlight is on them. We've had too many managers to let them away with it any longer. They either step up or move on.
The players are weak physically and mentally.
@@NiallMurphyphotography the tactics are also ass lol, huge gaps on the midfield
@powermonger9090 as an overstreets fan I'm wondering why an overseas fan would ask if the players are in some kind of shell shock? Who do you think is qualified to answer this?
Being unable to handle the pressure at united is nothing new. I remember growing up as a child my dad would tell me about players in the 70s and 80s that joined the club with big reputations and cracked, unable to handle the size of the club and the pressure that comes with it.
Thanks Andy for all your work. Always measured, always informed.
As a Newcastle fan i couldn't believe what i was watching in that first half. Appreciate that Amorim has only been there for 5 minutes but him being wedded to this new system that obviously doesn't compliment what your current players can do and a refusal to change this for the betterment of the team and getting results spells absolute disaster.
As soon as Mainoo came on last night the midfield for you guys improved as you had legs in there. Say what you want about your current team and players in form but that mistake of not starting Mainoo was on Amorim last night. He needs to learn and learn quickly.
@@richyclubsport5155 in my opinion i think amorim is an extremely bright coach who comes across really well but the danger is that he's walking into a team mid season and doesn't have the time or space to develop his strategy with the players. i remember a few seasons back with us when we were in serious danger of going down around Xmas/New Year time and the board made signings to help us stay up and in the end it paid off. You guys definitely need 2/3 bodies in who can lift the team for next year
Thanks Andy well said and very sobering. Give the respectful fans a 10 for endurance and for what is to come. Get well soon.
Two things I had drummed into me when I started going to games:
Reds don’t wear colours
You don’t boo your own
I know it’s Xmas, but how do people not know this? We’re Man United, not Spurs or Chelsea
Surely jonny evans is a better defender than martinez atm?
You could be right and he has the height. Carra said that the small stature of Martinez would be his undoing.
Play maguire lindelof and evans .. trust me we will do better
Martinez into a lcdm it's surely worth a look, he's way to exposed back there. No height, no pace & a penalty/yellow card waiting to happen
Thats it. I'm getting a heat pump
😂😂😂
100% agree with Andy's point on the Zirkzee issue. What possible good can it do to destroy any players confidence? Players need confidence for form, if their form isn't good then we lose. If they arent good enough, let the management move them on without destroying their transfer value even further.
Any fan who thinks otherwise needs to get a dictionary and check what the words UNITED and SUPPORTER mean.
Our job is to support our team. To do our best to give the lads energy, to make them know that we are one. Once a player puts on the shirt we expect them to give their all, us supporters should do the same. If they arent doing their job on the pitch, let Amorim sort it out. If you wear the United badge in the stands, do your job and roar all of our boys on. Through thick or thin keep the red flag flying high, united will never die. Live it.
Get well soon Andy. HNY mate!
Good for you for laughing at my heat pump gag ; )
Why are we consistently saying this team isn’t fit. That’s an absolute disgrace when all they do is train and get paid hundreds of thousands of pounds to play football, nothing else.
Different sorts of fitness? Like how a boxer is amazingly fit but probably can’t run at pace for 90 minutes. I’m clutching at straws though
exactly, it's astonishing that they're so unfit, you'd think that it would be the basic requirement for a pro.
Embarrassing the 'fans' that go these days. Started with Maguire a few years ago, now Zirkzee. Thank god I don't go anymore.
Desperately need a moment or a spark to jolt this lot into life just something anything because its getting closer to the trapdoor, happy new year Andy, hopefully mufc can turn this around quickly, UTFR 💪🇾🇪
They'll talk about the postt Ferguson era far into the future but Ferguson's, and other's, silence on the Glazer parasites will be his greatest legacy at the club imo.
absolutely criminal. For all of Fergies talk of community and playing for the working class man, remembering where you've come from, that all went out the window when the glazers came into town. It weren't exactly a secret what their intentions were going to be from the very start.
So his 13 league titles will count for nothing?
Should not Boo our own players that’s just crazy. How will that improve a players confidence.
@rolfetone Confidence? I'm not sure how they have the confidence, or should we be real and call it what it is; I'm not sure how they have the sheer temerity to feel they deserve to be paid millions of pounds a year to produce absolute garbage.
We're not cheerleaders we're not here to further inflate their massive egos
@rolfetone How will applauding, or accepting it, improve our team?
@ not saying accept it but if 70,000 people cheer you and show encouragement then it’s going to make you play better. True United fans would not boo there own players. We all know it’s bad at the moment but to keep knocking the players will only make it worse.
@@rolfetone 70,000 idiots do cheer it, that's why it continues. Might as well clap the NHS on your doorstep whilst they're doing tiktok dances
Nice one Andy this has been needed for yrs the players are not good enuff not all but most and this manager is showing us all that Happy new yr Andy the bin dippers are waiting 🇾🇪🔰✌️
The worse is yet to come. Sunday could be one of the most humiliating days in our history. Zirkzee - he is terrible for United in his short career, but the poor lad looks lost. You make these decisions to move clubs but regret every minute and in some ways it shows.
And if the club genuinely have no budget the January, we are doomed.
Andy thank you for all
Cheers for new ye3
We are currently a middle table side. ITS THE TRUTH.
just have to survive the season. players cannot outlast another manager
Unfortunately, it now looks like Amorim is a worse manager than Ten hag. The results don't lie, getting worse every week and he admitted last night he only has one system that he can play. 2 wins in 8 PL games is catastrophic form, and it's only going one way.
He's clearly not worse than his predecessor. There is obvious evidence of a structure being put in place and coaching being done (which wasn't evident under Ten Hag). With so many games, there has not been much time to practice these set ups in training. I said, after the FA Cup, that Ten Hag should have been sacked. Defeating a hungover City changed nothing, in my view. To keep him on AND give him a 12 month extension was nothing short of ludicrous. Not only did it deny his inevitable replacement both a pre season and the opportunity to influence player recruitment but it, also, reduced what little cash was available with even more compensation due. Ineos were supposed to bring in the football knowledge and support that had never been there under just the Glazers. They, too, have been found wanting, massively.
@ArthurRoss-r9r Totally agree ETH should have gone after cup final. But there is no evidence, zero, of any improvement under Amorim. At this stage, we are heading for relegation, and RA admitted last night he only has one idea of how to play. Of course, we all want it to work, but if it doesn't improve quickly, I fear he'll be gone. It's a results business and no European football, never mind relegation would be a financial disaster.
@roryjohnston1123 Please read what I said. Ten Hag should have been sacked and his replacement given both a preseason AND a summer transfer window. Anyone coming in with this group of players is going to fail. If we go down, it will not be Amorim's fault.
@ArthurRoss-r9r I agree totally with you. But unfortunately, he didn't get a preseason etc. His results managing this team are worse than ETH's and he has admitted he only has one system to play. United are heading for relegation on current form, which isn't something Ineos can afford. Unless there is a quick turnaround, he will be sacked. Nobody wants to see it, but that's football.
Thanks Andy, UTFR!
Nice to meet you yesterday Andy. Lets just get Liverpool and Arsenal out of the way then hope to turn a corner in the New Year 🇾🇪
@@Halfirishdan defend a corner you mean
@@summan41man please dont forget this - ANY coach should work on this FIRST instead of talking about transfers and Tactics - show me the coach can coach the basics of under 10's football Defending a corner - if that doesnt improve - - get a specialised coach like Arsenal did, or no new players until this is done.
Not surprised by the behaviour of the crowd , to some extent they are following the online treatment of players . Apparently all insults and rumours and accusations about players and their " lifestyles " is ok and circulating such unsubstantiated and uncredited rumour is an acceptable way to earn a living , while maintaining a privileged position around the club. By now it kinda feels it hard to tell who is and is not an independent voice . For now it is ok to blame individual players .The off field tragedy which is darker than the onfield performances in which 100s have been sacked ,charity funds cut,price rises imposed, club legends cut adrift and even Christmas bonuses cut . Standards we are told are what are important to the success of the club are these the standards .
At times it seems ,just like when the parasitic worm that eventually gains control of the host animal the online commentators and opinions have taken hold of the life force of the club and that essence has become septic , putrid and rotten. We should all look to our own part in this fiasco noone is clean when shit is hurled around.
Booing your own players is just pathetic
@@ExpectedBoy As is correcting your children? Or should everyone just do what they want ...
If Man Utds leadership feels buyers remorse thats on them - Amorim has been open about how he wanted to play from the beginning. He's a good coach - things have fallen apart at Sporting and his replacement has already been sacked.
Switching system midway through the season would always negatively affect performances. But Amorim is not responsible for the catalogue of costly individual errors probably less so set pieces which are being exploited. Ugarte and Bruno missing clearly affected us.
Ratcliffe and Berrada should be giving Amorim more support publically. And make moves in the January transfer window. I can't see another serious coach taking the leadership seriously otherwise.
@@dmizzle73 you seem to be attributing Amorim’s replacement being fired as some sort an endorsement of Amorim when to me it makes me think “hmmm, was his legacy built on sand?” and was he so wedded to this system that when the team then change to something else they can’t adapt. He’s going to look silly if he keeps playing naive tactics and selections and the leathering keep coming. Sometimes you have to take your medicine and be pragmatic when you’re not as good as the opposition.
@@languageoffootball counter example - Sir Alex Ferguson. Legacies are extremely fragile for a lot of reasons and I think my point is valid.
Pragmatism is not a path to consistent performance. Maybe it's all jam tomorrow but I'd like to see us develop a style of play (Amorim's teams played exciting football and maybe 343 is the future) and I'll withhold judgement for a bit longer before giving up on the coach.
@@dmizzle73 possibly but we must also remember this is a 39 year old whose body of work is entirely at the helm of a club operating in a league that’s considered 5th or 6th rate in Europe. Doesn’t mean he won’t eventually be a good manager over here but I’m not sure he’s the right man for now.
@@languageoffootball fair enough. What are your criteria or timescales for deciding whether or not to cease supporting him?
@@dmizzle73 as fans you should always support the team/manager on the pitch. Those highly paid execs can make the decision if or when appropriate and they should have more of an idea given there’s more of a structure in place and clearer reporting lines.
Often in football when you think I don’t agree with that sacking or that sacking often it turns out to be the right decision as the judgement is a lot more holistic in terms of how the manager is day to day, man management skills, does he get on with staff in general and have the ability to bind a culture, can he manage down as well as up, is he the first to arrive and the last to leave, what do the players really think about him inside the club once all the socials and cameras are out of the way, how does he approach time keeping, discipline, nutrition, does he put his ideas across in ways in which players can understand and a that they actually believe in etc etc. As fans you hardly see any of all of this other stuff and that’s one of the reasons it’s so hard to understand at the time why a manager has gone. There are usually fairly compelling reasons other than simply the 90 mins a fan see every week.
Quite right about Zirkzee. Think whoever was subbed would have been booed though, was more about frustration with the state of things than the person. Some very experienced pros were just as bad.
Cas/eric starting mid is he trying to get fired?
Andy, there are so many questions than answers. Who sanctioned the Zirkzee deal? Was he a Ten Hag choice because I am so sure he cant play transition football. People have caused financial loss to Man Utd
You can safely say that any Dutch players or players with an Eredivisie background were players that ETH demanded or asked to buy. I can't believe that the supposed quality personnel that INEOS brought in to run the football department went along with it. It is their responsibility to identify transfer targets and to negotiate good deals, not to defer to ETH at that time. I also can't understand that they also agreed to pay huge overs for almost all the players that came in during the last window, which makes me think that they aren't competent at all. Ashworth paid the penalty, but what about the others? Berrada signed off on all those deals with the knowledge that United was walking a PSR tightrope, which makes him more responsible than anyone else. None of those players have looked good so far, but Zirkzee has been putrid.
I’ve read Ashworth was one of the people really keen on signing him but if that’s the truth or not I’m not certain
Apparently Zirkzee was a name Ashworth brought from his shortlist at Newcastle
@@gustaaf1892 this was the INEOS summer they so declared and eth has said in interviews that these are ineos signings
Best part is news is that you managed to sell all the copies of the Mag. Really important edition
Andy, my legend ❤
Zirzkee should not have been booed off but really he should not have been playing
Mazraoui better at RCB and looks majorly out of his depth at RWB. Add to that Dalot at LWB and it’s a disaster, time to put Amad back to RWB as he wants to be wide anyway. Can’t be playing two fullbacks in those roles as we can’t get up the pitch. Best performances have come with Amad at RWB but people just remember the little moments at City and think he has to be a #10 now.
Ugarte and Mainoo have to be the two midfielders going forward and regularly, yes Ugarte was missing last night but it’s suicidal putting Eriksen and Casemiro together.
Bruno will always play and likely at #10, so he needs legs and a runner next to him on the right, as Dalot on the left side means the left #10 has to be someone wanting to run in behind and to the byline, not another Bruno type player who wants in the pocket, as Dalot just hesitates before going forward and loads of space to attack.
Got to back the manager, as not one of these are his players, but he’s also got to start making sensible decisions now. We can all see what works and who doesn’t, so time for trialing them has gone, they’ve had their chance.
The club is seriously leaderless. The men on the top are busy sacking little people out of their jobs.
Get better soon Andy
As poor as Zirkzee was, singling out a player like that is just not on. Especially when he's a young lad as you say Andy and the whole team, including vastly experienced players, was so atrocious. Wouldn't surprise me if he leaves on loan in January.
If you are starting Maguire, Casa and Erickson as what is essentially your central midfield during build up your gonna have problems when it gets turned over. Zirkzee doesn’t deserve that kind of treatment either.
Get well soon Andrew !
Id give Robbo a run out probably still got what these midfielders lack
INEOS are the biggest existential threat United have faced since the Munich air disaster.
I’ve been saying this since Ratcliffe bought his way into the club. We are in deep, deep trouble. He’s already taken a hatchet to the values and ethos that the likes of Busby, Ferguson and Charlton brought to the club. There will be zero returns on the pitch.
Even a cursory glance at his track record in and out of sport is enough to show us that we are done. This man we bury us so deep we may never recover.
At least we're not a bloody State owned club, because there would definitely be no coming back from that!
Zero sympathy for United fans. They have supported the Glazers for the last twenty years by attending matches and buying club merchandise, yet they still have the nerve to moan about them. You can't have it both ways.
These players should all check their eligibility for ECO4, it’s the only chance they will have to qualify for anything! 😢 Happy New Year Andy, well perhaps just from August onwards 🎉😊
Rasmus missed a great chance first half Andy, despite playing shite we could have drawn or won which is even more crazy. Please stop making excuses for Ratcliffe.
@@manc66 Rasmus is overrated thanks to the Utd stand channel overhyped him
Just a point on Zirkzee, he wasn't booed, he was given "ironic" cheers when being taken off. Its much the same but its not quite as negative as being booed.
He was booed whenever he touched the ball, are you deaf?
Not true.
@@karlos55555 just a Utd fan being a Utd fan more excuses why don’t they all grow a pair & start at the ownership no they don’t have the balls to do that but will bully a kid
Really!!
@@karlos55555 let’s not abuse each other, we have all suffered watching this , stick together guys
Hang on tight guys, our next game is at Anfield 😬
Tactics, Liverpool have been lured into thinking United will be easy. 😂
1 year away from Europe will be good for the club. Play the youngsters/reserves for the cups next year.
PSR!
Yeah a year out of Europe, and the loss of income and the impact that will have on recruitment is just what the club needs. They should really change that rule that you can’t play younger players if you’re in Europe.
He needs to change the system with 5 in midfield. Bring in some of the academy strikers and send Anthony back to his job in Tesco's.
6 Newcastle players on the pitch yesterday combined wages less than Casemiro.😮
We do have to accept that, no matter how good a manager Ruben may be, he is not used to this depth. Like everyone else he will have to adapt at some point when he realises the tools he has at present don’t fit his system. It’s m not necessarily that they are bad tools, it may be more about timing, but the decline is visible more and more in every match.
Can the heat pump play centre forward ?
Is it the system? Is it the coach? Are the players not suited to it? If new players can't be bought, is there suitable talent waiting in the academy? It's one hell of a conundrum to resolve.
It's gonna be a long long road, what's weird about all of this last pre season after Ten Hags 1st season it felt like we were on a good course then the injury crisis derailed us and we ended on a high beating City in the final making it a case of wjat might have been which would indicate this is a good team then we have the last pre season and it looked like we signed strategically and would kick on and here we are now saying we need a clear out it's bewildering how badly we have got recruitment wrong , their not up to the level required so why buy them
I'd be OK with relegation if it means we get new owners who know how to run a football club and care about the fans and staff.
Whens the next ToTD pod coming? I’ve been waiting since the Wolves game for another.
amorim might be a great tactician, but he's obviously not a great motivator. as far as zirkzee is concerned, DO NOT blame the fans, blame the manager for making a tactical substitution in the 32nd minute! amorim was giving fans who had had to endure the worst 30 mins possibly ever seen by a united side in the PL era, a huge chance to VENT!
It wasn't tactical ffs
Subbing off Zirkzee like that was disgraceful. Shocking management. Amorim should be ashamed of himself for giving him a public execution like that infront of 73,000 people cheering and booing him off. As a manager you picked that team so give him to half time at least and then make the change. Any chance of Zirkzee succeeding at United was destroyed tonight and that’s on Amorim
No,it's on the disgraceful tourists who booed him.
@brionocallaghan3742 No, it's on Zirkzee. Like any adult, he is solely responsible for his own actions. Zirkzee can respond to this however he chooses.
fast note :
man utd is the club of glories and champions and can handle any chalenges and yes 343 is a hard formation and need more games to make it works and my feelings with zirkzee and happy new year all ✨
At this point you have to question if a single player bought since the Sancho/Ronaldo/Varane summer (inclusive) has been a success.
Well, Varane for a start.
@adamirer what's important about that summer, why not go back to 2013?
@michaelnewton3761 was a great but was always injured! Wasn't worth the £34m fee & 17m annual salary over 3 years!
@@summan41manbecause we were 2nd in summer 2021 and the collapse in squad quality with 'promising' expensive flops (Sancho, Antony, Mount, Zirkzee, Hojlund etc). Thar 2021 squad had glaring holes, but no position has been improved.
sacking ten hag was a mistake
Midfield overrun and it was totally predictable. Are we sure 343 will work? Ruben needs time and more suitable players so we can’t panic but I’d be happier with 2 CDMs or we just get overrun. After the next 2 games we have a decent run of winnable fixtures. By March things will be clearer where we are. Keep the faith and support the team
its a 5-4-1. wingbacks aren't midfielders and attacking midfielders aren't attackers
Amorim showed it at Sporting, Ten hag showed it at Ajax. V Gaal showed it at several teams.
You cant copy paste a playing style to the Premier League unless you can spend without a maximum. United need to have their own style, and tell the manager how to play.
Not the other way around. Its clearly not working that way for 15 years now
I'm sure your not the only one who GETS this, but you're one of the first to say it - we've done one season 10 times on repeat.
andy, we all hate the cuts. but the reality of psr is that balance sheets count. united are the only team in the premier league whose accounts are totally transparent so their balance sheet has to be actually truthful. there is a lot or room for creative accounting if your accounts are not going to the united states securities and exchange commission.
Amorim should look at the U23s and U18s to rebuild the team.
I've been going home and away since the 60s and last night is the end for me .Booing one of our own get me in to trouble with the fans around me in the Stretford end. I left at half time and throw my season ticket in the Canal to say I'm heart broken is an understatement !!!!
@@GaryDownes-s2j Who's one of our own?
@@GaryDownes-s2j Yes but did you get a heat pump 🤣🤣
What part of the canal did you throw your ticket into? Asking for a friend. 😉
United have to sell to buy in January with several players obviously not fitting Amorim's system and with the 2 biggest earners Rashford and Casemiro the obvious ones to get off the wage bills asap. Zirkzee and Garnacho should also be considered. I know United won't get their value when selling because of their wages and maybe have to loan to buy players instead of buying but it's more important to reinforce the team now than keeping more or less unusable players on high wages. If not United could easily be in a relegation battle soon but on the other hand doing business might be enough to win United the Europa League trophy and a Champion's league spot. Anyway, 2024 was terrible so let's hope for a much better 2025 for United. Happy New Year!
Too many average players without a true desire to fight. Big contracts, impossible to move on some players and no transfer money to fix the rot. This is what the Glazers have done.
United were very very poor but Newcastle were very very good indeed.
When you put Casemiro and Eriksson against Tonali, Linton and Guimares you are already staring down the barrel.
We were actually on a tour at Old Trafford on the Sunday before the game when the Newcastle kit people arrived to drop off all the kit/spin bikes etc etc--they were so positive, nice and generally knew that they were by far the better team. You could feel the confidence.
Zirzkee was shocking last night and should have not been selected but the booing was a step too far.
As always a massive shout out to the wonderful team in the Salford Grill--exceptional as always!!
That’s right. It’s a decent 4-3-3 team or would be if the strikers were better but a dysfunctional 3-4-1-2.
Zirkzee? I agree with you Andy
If you leave wingers one on one in acres of space what do you expect? Radcliffe has been a disaster scaring all the staff and trying to cadge a free ground off the FA.
He has 16Bill get your hand in your pocket mate
Can it get any worse than it is at the moment? I mean this season is over but my worry guys is, are we likely to see this again next season? (assuming we survive relegation)
I enjoyed the little dig at Newcastle re spending time in the second tier. Gone from trying to compete with Real Madrid and Liverpool for European Cups to poking fun at the wee club in the north east who've just turned you over. Happy new year 🍻
Hi Andrew did you mention you had a cold! 😜
The Glazer's and Rat cliffe deserve relagtion.
@@WilliamHay-u1k they don’t deserve Utd ownership that’s for sure
I'm a blue and Utd fans booing that young kid on the pitch and then cheering when he was took off is a new low and an embarrassment to your club. You're a disgrace and I fully agree with Neville on this, pound for pound you're the worst club in the Premier League
A new low would be being a state funded run club with a history of cheating..not quite there yet .
@karlos55555 What was a young kid doing on the pitch? I must've missed that, where was his parents?
Andy, you backed Moyes, you backed Ten Hag. You knew what was going on with Rashford, but decided to sit on the information. Why? Out of fear? As a so-called "top-red" you're supposed to love the club, but riding the gravy train trumps telling the truth I guess. Though you stuck the knife in when it was safe to do so.
@merasmussen82 Totally agree with your sentiments, again.
He was told "in confidence" 🤷♀️🙄
United only just stayed up in 73 they were poor, and in 74 they deserved to go down, they were not good enough.
They are very poor at present but not likely to go down, other teams below are.
In 74, 2 teams from 22 went down (9%); now it is 3 from 20 (15%).
We need to support the manager and his beliefs, they WILL work.
Relegation was the beginning of a terrific party 🎉 & THE RED ARMY YEARS. + United would have won the 1st division if the Doc hadn't been sacked.
@@BelleBlu Completely agree. Doc was a great manager, 3rd in order. Busby, Ferguson, Doc; in that order for me.
@@BelleBlucompletely agree, Doc was great but shouldn’t have put it all down the pan by being a very naughty man😢
The advert 😂
Would McTominay and Greenwood get in this team ?
Absolutely!
McTominay wouldn't but Greenwood would without any doubt.
Zirkzee is absolutely awful. A really bad buy but I would never ever ever boo him, or any individual, mostly because I’m not nine!
Amorim is'picking a team to win games'.... reallly feels he isn't, seems more interested in proving a point. This squad can't play this system. Dalot is a RIGHT back, Case & Eriksen need more MF support and the only attackers we had that were feared were Garnacho & Rashord. Hoijund & Zirkzee are never will be's.
If you change the system like all the other managers did at the end of their tenure you end up with a team that dictates what to do to the manager... Which is why we've been shit for years
@@JAS563ifythey haven’t played for the last 6 managers. It shows it’s not the managers it’s the players.
One thing I've noticed is the non-stop media commitments Amorim has had since taking charge. How many interviews has the man had?! The circus around united is nothing new, but surely the hierarchy has to take steps to protect the managers time, if anything else. How are you supposed to get things done if media takes precedence over planning and training?
As United supporters we are in Dark days.But Always hang in
it was man vs boys yesterday. in the 1st half it felt like a match between a pl side and a league 2 side. it was beyond embarassment. it was a torture.
Can you start with the bit about the heat pumps first after the Liverpool game so I can quickly get back to hiding in my cupboard.