Suggestion. Love the channel. Please stop adding the 5 second music clips every minute or so it's incredibly annoying. I bet I'm not alone here. Ask the audience. Yes, I'm a real fan of your channel, keep the videos coming.
The ‘mono’ setting is also useful for speaker setup. Put the streamer into ‘mono’ mode and adjust speaker placement until the center image is precise and narrow at your primary listening position. You will most likely end up with optimal imaging when using this method.
@@stijnvanderlooy5311 well that's effectively what this is, you have to understand that most of these companies design products that will appeal to the greatest number of consumers. While a dac less Streamer only is a great product, I've got two of them, if you want to reach the biggest audience with a product you want to make sure that that product is usable by almost everybody. That means including a built-in DAC and features that the average novice is going to want and is going to feel that they want. Just imagine average Joe saying he wants a streamer, he's heard about how great a streamer is from some guy he works with or read about it in an article and he knows he needs one, although he can barely operate his own microwave. Do you think he's going to be capable of getting the streamer and then hooking it up to an external DAC and figuring out sampling rates and whether or not he wants the streamer to up convert to DSD 512 because his DAC supports it?, no he's going to want something he can plug into the wall and then hook the two RCA cables up to the back of his speaker or integrated amp that he bought and that just works, that's what the node nano does and that's what they're going for.
This nano is pretty much what you’re asking for. The dac in it does sound great, but I don’t use it either. It has coax, optical, and usb out. It’s perfect. The sound is GREAT. I’m so happy about choosing this over the ultra. I streamed with the wiim’s as well, and the sound doesn’t compare. I’d recommend this to anyone looking for exactly what you’re suggesting. Because it’s exactly what I was looking for, and it sounded better than I ever expected it would. It’s my favorite piece I’ve added to my system lately. I’ve had a Chromebook sitting around that I got from Verizon last time I got a new phone, and this is the first way I’ve been able to use it for my music. Through the bluOS controller app, it actually lets me play bit perfectly on an android/chromeOS device!
Excellent - one thing that Bluesound offers, that as far as I know is only available with a BlueOS device, and that is in the Radio Paradise app, you can sign into your RP account and this lets you listen to your Favorites on RP. Which is wonderful! Mine is set up so that all songs that I have rated 7 of 10 or higher plays (more or less) randomly! Several thousand songs that I like/love are streamed for my listening pleasure! And yes, a linear power supply makes a substantial improvement, in my opinion. My Node 2i streaming into my Geshelli Labs Dayzee - sounds incredible! Way beyond what I could have imagined - better than my beloved Linn Axis; because many/most digital recordings are better than many/most LPs - which is not something I would have thought was possible just a few years ago.
@@loganrencher5985 yes on both! For a Node, I would recommend the kit that Beatechnik (a sibling company to Denafrips) carries. For Geshelli I would get a 12V rated for between 25W and 50W. Beatechnik also sells these under the LHY Audio brand. The one I am using now, is a custom made dual voltage unit from Pine Tree Audio.
My question that I have never heard an adequate answer to, is if I use these devices purely for streaming to an external DAC, then are there any appreciable differences between, say a Bluesound Node, a Wiim Pro Plus and this new Node Nano? I have not seen a decent mutil-device review, where each streamer is reviewed just as a standalone streamer, with the DAC taken out of the equation. How about a test by cheapaudioman, to REALLY figure out whether the streaming side of all these devices sound any different. Attach each streamer to let's say an entry level DAC, a mid-range DAC and just for giggles, a higher-end DAC, and let's see if there are solid differences. Also, try connecting via the optical out, or Coax out, to a pair of good quality powered speakers that have their own built-in DAC and see how that sounds. Cheers!
In that scenario, each device becomes a transport, simply responsible for transporting digital data. Aside from technical measurements, and all other factors being the same, I think it would be nearly impossible to identify a sound difference between pre-dac, digital signals.
@@clchesnutt That has been my thoughts, but if better components are used, do we have differences in noise floor? Do we have similar or identical data streams through the optical or coax? If there are any differences, are they even remotely audible? I just haven't seen any reputable or plausible testing done to answer those questions. Cheers.
@@The80shilling Yes! I think there would certainly be differences between the tech specs of each signal. Technical measurements like this are a specialty of Audio Science Review, which many people rely on. Audible differences though? All other factors the same, I think that would be pretty challenging to identify. Because it’s the DAC we are ultimately hearing. The measurements community is very passionate though, so I’m sure someone will say otherwise and THD me into SINAD oblivion.
@@The80shilling I believe he mentioned this briefly in the Wiim Ultra review that it sounded better going through the SMSL SU1, but a true comparison video would be quite awesome.
Nice to see Bluesound finally innovating again. They make great products that stand the test of time. The icon will be a sweet piece of kit when it comes out looking forward to that.
This node nano is truly special. I’ve tried every wiim besides pro plus, and the nano smokes them all including the ultra. Especially for someone that just wants a streamer, that has a dac and an amp, everything else and just wants a streamer with all the digital outputs, including usb out. It’s just icing on top that its dac actually sounds really good! The BluOS is superior as well. Before you tell me I’m crazy and the ultra has all these better options, do your homework. Is it really what you want? It seems to me, that if you love vinyl, you don’t want your phono pre amp to digitize the signal, run that through the ultras dac for your sound, do you? I know I prefer just using a true phono pre amp. From what I can tell, the “analog” input on wiim also changes it to digital, runs that back through its internal dac and then outputs its sound. I have no interest in a preamp that does that. I guess if you don’t mind that part, and just want a set it and forget one device does all type of component, the ultra is perfect for you. But if you want a streamer purely for streaming, the nano is the very best. Save the $30. It’s way better than the wiim mini, so please don’t hit me with that. It’s no comparison. Try them. Maybe my system just so happens to have perfect synergy, but I really don’t believe that. Sure, it does have great synergy, but I believe this streamer would sound great in any system!
I wish these guys, BlueSound, WiiM, Cambridge would make a simple stand alone streamer with Coax, Optical, USB and i2s outputs. No DACs, no screens, just a simple streamer. And allow me to purchase my own external power supply. The caveat, do not use a Pi board, build a quality board, have galvanic isolation with industrial clocking. On the power side, have filtering to further enhance the sound. Volumio makes the Rivo, and I do own one, but I would like to see both BlueSound and WiiM make such a streamer. I would hope WiiM does this, as their software is second to none for basic streaming.
I just got the WiiM Ultra. And if you're looking you should also. Sounds are relative the room dimensions, speaker placement and the music your listening to. That said...
I just replaced my node n130 with the wiim ultra. The wiim ultra easily sounds significantly better than the Node130. Wiim has bulletproof Ui and i think it's easier and more intuitive to navigate than bluOS. My Wiim took an update immediately and room correction works with my Pixel 8 Pro and boy does it make a massive difference in my space.
Personally, I would choose the regular Wiim pro and then add my own DAC. I already have a Geshelli labs DAC that I could use. That was nearly a $400 DAC so would raise the price well above the nano, but I already have it! They’re certainly are cheaper DCS that one could connect to the pro though. Nice thing about the nano is that it would be a sleek, all in one solution.
While it is more convenient to have a 5V power input on the back panel, there is one distict advantage about upgrading the older models with an internally mounted DC interface board that then hooks up to linear supply. Most of the these interface boards have large amount of additional filter capacitance and local regulation that then hooks up to the internal circuits via a very short ( 2 inch?) Cable. So regardless of which external supply you use there is also additional local regulation. It is best to have final regulation as close to its target as possible and the N130 mods allow this.
Bluesound is very good at bringing new and improved products to the market, each rendition of the Node has sounded noticeably different. I’m looking forward to seeing the reviews of the new Icon model with the screen. 👍🏻
I've bought one Node so far. Last years special edition, the Node X. It sounds wonderful connected to my CXA81 amplifier in the living room or a pair of PreSonus Eris E 4.5 BT monitor speakers in my Office. Soundwise it's up there with my usual combination of CXN V2 and DacMagic 200M going into my CXA81. I don't have experience with any other Node version.
This must be some sort of magic that no manufacturer can handle OR it's all marketing as most people will accept the dac that's already on board. Most audiophile's will forgo the internal dac which is a waste of money but most won't care so why should the manufacturers. Sucks all around.
Edit: So we're clear, I have watched the video where the ZA3 and Yamaha are compared head to head... but you don't really go through the other system elements too much. My idea is more like if you had X dollars to spend and you made the best possible setup of separates vs best possible setup using a few more expensive combo components, how would the overall capabilities of the systems compare? As someone getting into hifi audio I would really appreciate a video that is a head on comparison of approaches to getting started. You have some videos that touch on these topics, like the video giving reasons why you might not want an integrated amp. However, it would be interesting to see head to head Yamaha A-S301 vs a roughly equivalent system of more separated components. Then comparing the price difference and how much of a listening experience difference there is. I'm really torn between spending more to get a more flexible system vs just get something like the A-S301 and save some money, then buy a tier higher of separates later and there are surprisingly few videos that compare these approaches head to head
I use an external DAC and amp so the internal stuff makes no difference to me. I just want a streamer. The nano allows direct streaming of SiriusXM. The WiiM products do not support SiriusXM. For this reason alone, I am going to get a nano.
Timely video! Simplicity and performance RULE; that's coming from an EE and long-time audio guy. I'm buying a streamer to be a streamer, not a mediocre phono preamp, etc. Here's hoping that this Bluesound model has decent WIFI (chipset + antenna) that doesn't require me to be within very close range of my wireless router, unlike the Wiim Mini I recently returned. Having a display is a nice, useful feature. The evolution of streamers continues!
@cheapaudioman Awesome review. Wiim is doing everyone a favor by pushing the features boundaries. Their innovation is lightyears away from others. But they are still behind on the delivery front, but ascending in output. Good for them, good for us. Best thing about this review? You're not biased on the sound, you gave it to us straight. Killing it! Keep'em coming Mr Randy! 🙃
I have a Biuesound Node and really like it. Can you do a more in-depth comparison of the Nano vs. Node? And what can we expect from the forthcoming Icon?
I don't think the Nano targets the Wiim, it's going after the Cambridge MXN10, which has a similar feature set but is much less expensive. Neither the Nano nor MXN10 will handle UPnP. Why is that important? I'm an Audirvana Studio user and connecting to the Wiim Pro via UPnP works well. From the Wiim, the signal is fed to the SMSL SU-1 via coax. Also, the optical connection is a big plus for input from the TV. Finally, the built-in room correction is a major plus. Wiim's room correction functionality appears to be modeled after Yamaha's YAPO in the RX-V2600. The Wiim has the added benefit that each input can have its own settings.
This comment has nothing to do with this video other than you do mention the Icon. Your review of the WiiM Ultra had one in my Amazon basket and I deliberated, because I was really waiting to see if Bluesound was going to react and there was that cryptic message out there and lo and behold the very next day here we are. Your review of the Node way back just asking for a screen to be added really was what I was looking for. That's what I wanted. Now the Icon is arriving soon and it has more than that, including cost. But it's thrown a wrench into my audio plan. I like the big screen, like the overall size, don't need XLR, and the dual DAC....the plan was to get a Dayzee. For that cost maybe I don't do an external DAC? Maybe the Icon will sound "good enough" and I don't do a Dayzee. I await to see what both you and Darko say to be further flummoxed by indecision. A node with a screen.... that's what I wanted Bluesound. Maybe one day there will be an Icon Lite? And I can wait forever for that.
Ya I’m with you there! Bluesound is a better quality product. The wiim fan boys will jump all over that because they think those cheap streamers are the best there is lol
@@FidelityNationagreed! I had a guy on the last CAM video who said that a wireless connection is better than a wired connection…. I almost feel out of my chair laughing . Then I realized that he only had a pair of active Edifier speakers….lol 🙄 so many insecure people out there that for go common sense because of their mental issues…
Thanks for the heads up cheapaudioman! I’m thinking about getting a streamer and love the Wiim and Nano form factor and price points. Question for the group, using AirPlay from my iPad will either of these sound better connected to a stand alone DAC like a Topping Velvet or Denafrips? Thanks in advance!
I think you are paying more for the Nano because of the premium internal DAC. That said, if you already have an external DAC, I'd go for a WiiM Pro and use it only as a transport feeding your DAC.
Thanks for this comparison. However, I am thinking quitting the Bluesound/NAD ecosystem, mostly because playlist management is ridiculously poor. Possibly moving to Wiim + Plex.
BluOS is ok-ish. Not as great as Cambridge's StreamMagic in my opinion. And definitely far inferior to Roon. Roon being my daily driver when it comes to playing music.
This couldn’t possibly arrive at a better time! I needed one AirPlay 2 compatible. Now i need to find something i can connect my SACD, Cassette player, Turntable and headphones DAC/AMP to my SVS Soundbase
Love your video. Thank you so much for that update. Would also love to see very cheap solutions, like a Raspberry Pi with Volumio for example. Also usable as a streamer and the possibility to upgrade the used DAC :)
If you have a new puppy I HIGHLY recommend the books and videos by Dr. Ian Dunbar. Because of many friends recommendation I bought his 'Sirius Puppy Training' video back in '89 when I got my Samoyed, Rocky, and it made the following 14 1/2 years much more enjoyable. Rocky picked up everything pretty quickly. Anyway, with high energy dogs it's especially important to train them early and be consistent with how everyone treats the dog. I'm also a convert to positive reinforcement when it comes to discipline. Never had to hit or spank Rocky. He was housetrained really fast. Anyway, that video made a huge difference having Rocky.
Bluesound what were you thinking? No digital inputs on the nano? Improved dac that you cannot connect to a tv or computer. New node has no coax in and a shared analog/optical? I saw these release and was so excited until I saw the back. Wiim pro plus for the 💯 percent win.
I don't know if it's a miss. If you want preamp features, get the Wiim. If you can get by the fact that the Nano is really a transport it should make no difference as you can either hit the source select on the Wiim or on your amplifier. They're the same thing in my mind.
@@davec2939 I have a CD/DVD, pre-amp, power amp etc. I do not need a pre-amp or amp or dac or Bluetooth, none of it just an output to a dedicated dac. Why is this so hard for some people to grasp. Maybe I'm missing something, why do we need inputs on a streamer? Transport only please and thank you.
I have a CXN V2 in the living room. And to be honest when sitting in the couch it is unreadable. Album art is nice, but otherwise its a quite useless feature.
Liking my WiiM Ultra but I still prefer my Schiit Mani 2 as my phono pre instead of running through the Ultra. Mani brings out the highs a tad better, for my liking. The Ultra wasn't terrible by any means just sounded a hair flatter than the Mani 2. Of course, the Mani has a bit more customization when it comes to setting up your preferred sound, through its settings. I also noticed I had to increase the volume about 20% when running through the Ultra as it played at a lower level than the Mani 2.
Streamers…. Ugh. It feels like the industry is stepping over dollars to pick up dimes. Will this Zitt ever pop? I very much enjoy all the content you put. Do you feel that this slice of tech is getting a touch over battled for? It feels to me that we are just watching undercard after undercard fights. It’s not anyone’s fault. It’s just what is what’s out there to comment on. Ya just get bored of the fly weights.
I have the Wiim Pro and the Node 2i. The Coax outputs sound different and the Node 2i is better. Better how? The Node sounds more neutral or normal and the Wiim Pro sounds altered. Wiim Pro coax output sounds weaker than Node, Wiim also sounds rounder and softer with less impact. Wiim also lacks some bass, but all of that improves a little with Direct Connet to your router with a network cable. The Network cable connection gives the Wiim a slightly cleaner sound with more bass reproduction. It is still rounder and softer, and I still prefer the Node 2i for more clarity and more of a neutral/normal sound. But the Wiim with network cable is a better overall experience that has some enticing characteristics.
Bluesound has improved a lot since Gen 2i. I think you’ll find the new stuff better overall. By the way, the digital outputs sound better on the Node because of lower noise. Digital may be digital but it is not immune to noise.
@@davidcarr6831 I only use the SPDIF output, so upgraded DACs with better sound doesn't mean much to me. If the Node Mini sound as good out of the SPDIF, I will buy one, but it is hard to get that information from 'reviews'. I've had 8 DACs through my system, so I understand how digital might be different for different designs.
I thought I wanted a Node (not the Nano since it has no HDMI ARC port) to use with my NAD C272 power amp and Dynaudio speakers. However... I'm discovering Plex. And that works (or is going to work) with Wiim products, but no such plans are known for Bluesound (and software-wise it might be competition actually). But Plex basically means that I have my own Spotify service from my own library. Even when I'm out and about, and the Wiim can function as an endpoint. But if it doesn't sound as good... that's another thing to think about. I could use an external DAC but it's not something I prefer.
@cheapaudioman I have seen a few of your videos and love the cost effective solution you share. Now I have some investment plans ongoing so cannot invest in a new audio setup. So, I was thinking about building one from whatever is available with me. 1. An old LED FHD TV (not smart TV) for Display 2. Old Dell Studio laptop, with 5.1 channel support & Realtek HD Audio ALC888 onboard. 3. Creative 2.1 speakers with decent bass for front speakers. 4. BPL Double cassette player with line--in option, stereo support with surround sound setup (2 speakers per channel). Very crisp & clear sound. Planning to use these as back surround speakers. Problem: As soon as I set the sound card to 5.1 the base is very much reduced in the 2.1 speaker and I don't have any center speaker & separate subwoofer. I do have a few bluetooth speakers with aux-in but that woofer is the major missing part. Is there any other way to configure the above setup? If not, can you recommend a product for missing speakers (only subwoofer or may be both subwoofer & center speaker) that I can also use with any other home theater setup that I may purchase in future.
No Airplay with WiiM Ultra! Assume WiiM was rushing to get Ultra out before Bluesound Nano and did not have time to fix Airplay problems. Also assume that there has been a huge number of Amazon returns of Ultra from people like me who did not read Amazon description fine print which warned that Ultra was not compatible with Airplay.
Airplay is lossy and I’ve seen people ask about it as it is a convenient wireless connection but not the best for quality. I think it was and is omitted on the ultra ( wiim says it has no plans to add airplay)& and other new streamers because it’s not very popular anymore apple should do a “connect” feature like tidal instead of using proprietary connections like airplay. It’s also because of apple that very few streamers have Apple Music natively. They are not good to their customers that way.
I’ve considered adding an Belkin SoundForm Connect AirPlay 2 Adapter & Airplay 2 Receiver to connect into my WiiM Ulta’s toslink input port. Not sure there is any audio quality loss.
@@stevenwaldstein2249 honestly I don’t. I know it’s a huge pain in the A** but my recommendation would be to ditch apple music for Tidal,or Quobuz. Apple is just to proprietary making it very difficult.
@@davec2939 we are talking about the icon model that hasn’t been released yet…. And yes it has a state of the art preamp. But yes the nano does not have a preamp , it’s the entry level node.
Thank you for all this awesome content. So my question is how does the SMSL SU-1 compare to the DAC in the Nano? Right now I use a WIIM mini and the SU-1 and it sounds great. You mentioned in the WIIM Ultra review that the SU-1 sounded better than the ESS DAC in the Ultra. So is it the same for the ESS in the Nano? Is the SU-1 still the best sounding?
My experience with the SU-1 and these ESS DAC chips is that the SU-1 sounds more like the Denafrips Ares line of DACs, at least to my ears, on my system. The ESS DACs in these less expensive streamers tend to have a bit of sibilance, and can be harsh if not bright sounding. I do know the DAC in the Ultra is much better than what is found in the Mini and Pro streamers, I own them all. And I would assume, having owned a Node N130, that the DAC in the Node Nano will be on par with the Ultra, maybe better, maybe worse. The selling point at this $300 price point to me is the software, mainly the software in the WiiM Ultra, with the EQ, PEQ and Room Correction, along with a much wider choice of streaming services. I like my TuneIn and Amazon Music, neither are available on the Node products.
I've sat within the Sonos ecosystem for some time but recently tried a Wiim Pro in the office, I was surprised with the lack of Apple Music support (I sent it back and now have a Sonos Port). Why is it seemingly the fact that only Sonos has Apple Music streaming capabilities? Is it the Sonos architecture? Puzzling. Or can the other streamer manufacturer just not be bothered with Apple integration. I'd be interested to know.
@@DaveElby I’m sure that the dearth of native Apple Music support has something to do with to do with Apple wanting it that way. It’s also worth noting that the Sonos Apple Music streaming is supposed to be capped at 256kbps AAC, so not the hi resolution that they sell so hard. Still nice that anyone offers native Apple Music support though.
I do not like the eq in the blue sound node app. But I prefer the sound much better out of the blue sound node over the Wiim. That is blue sound node sounds great in fixed volume output mode, not so great with bass and treble control enabled. Wiim need to use eq to bump up bass, and eq does great on Wiim…but still, blue sound node dac sounds better. That is second generation blue sound node compared to Wiim pro.
Since the Nano doesn’t have any inputs, wouldn’t it compare more with the Wiim Mini? In that arena, the biggest advantage is the Nano’s ESS9039Q2M chip. But is it worth 2x the price?
Been playing with one of these the last couple days in my headphone setup. I was trying to replace an Oppo UDP-205 I use for playing local files on a 1TB USB drive. last week I did the same with the Wiim Ultra which I promptly returned (but that's another story). Both the Oppo and Nano were plugged into my headphone amp via RCA inputs. The Oppo has this beat in every aspect possible for sound quality. So much so that I thought it just must be louder than the Nano ? I played some test tones and measured the outputs and surprise, the Nano was actually .1dB louder so basically the same. Was really noticeable on Hi-res and MQA files (night & day). The nano does not do DSD so no comparison there. If I had to sum it up the bass was weak & flat and was kind of Midrange forward. Why the hell do they not give you some sort of simple power Off (same gripe on Wiim which burns about 5w all the time) ? Stupid to have a trigger out btw way when the thing is always On. The USB port does not seat all the way in (probably some 10 cent cheap ass connector). I did try and use the USB port to the USB DAC input on the Oppo. This does work contrary to what reviewers are saying. You do have to select the DAC (Identified correctly as Oppo BDP-205) in the Audio setup. This kills the analog & digital outputs when you select the USB DAC output and since this is the only USB port you loose local files. Comparing the app to other streamers I have used, Eversolo and Volumio, this one is not that great but workable. So I decided to crack this thing open and take a look at what $299 gets you. Hmm, The DAC circuit is about the size of 2/3 of my little pinky. Kind of what you may find in some cheap USB dongle etc. (I'm guessing about $10-12 of parts here). OK, whats next. They have 2 steel plates screwed & glued to the top cover. Removed both of them and got 10dB higher Wi-Fi strength since they shield the little antenna inside (dumb). Why stop there so I removed the Blu Tooth antenna and circuit card since I will never use those. lastly I removed the silly front panel assy since everything I need to do has to be done in the app. Now I just have it connected to the Oppo via toslink for when I want to stream Spotify or Radio Paradise. Would have liked to have replaced the Oppo but sound wise its a No Go. If you like the Blue Os landscape and will use this in some low res system like a bedroom or multi room system this is OK but it's really only worth about $199 (or less) IMHO. Your Mileage may vary !!
For me, all these tools for bending the sound mean that the rest of the system is also inexpensive. And that's not something you can fix with unicorn dust. I'll look into using the Nano. I didn't like using the Wiim Pro. Constant connection problems and far too many useless gimmicks. I've always been a fan of "keep it simple". ESPECIALLY in this price range.
Would you go for a Wiim Pro with a $200-300 DAC or the Wiim Ultra? I'm setting up an Emotiva XB2, but the lack of AirPlay on the Ultra is a concern for me as a Mac user. What do you think? Maybe a video on complete setup recommendations would be great, especially with all the new products out there!
Buy the ultra if you need / want the features. If you then find the sound isn't to your liking, you can always add a dac later. You can't add extra features to the Pro. But, if you don't need the features of the ultra, then the pro with external dac is likely to sound better. But, would you notice? Would you care?
@@RacingAnt Thanks for the input! Since this will be my first setup, I’m not sure if I’d notice the difference. It is odd that the Ultra doesn’t have AirPlay while other Wiim products do. I’m still new to all of this, so the sound quality will probably suit me just fine. I’m just trying to figure out where to allocate my budget to get the best outcome based on these reviews.
Is the Blusound Nano a certified Roon endpoint? I own a BluSound Node but got several WiiM Pros and Pro plus because ther was no lower cost BluSound device until now. Love to learn more. Thank you and take care.
No there isn't, however most audio enthusiasts believe that a linear power supply powering a product creates a better sound than does a switching power supply. Me personally I feel that it does sometimes although that said I have heard products with really high quality switching power supplies that sound freaking awesome. I think a lot of it has to do with the high frequency noise that's generated in a switching power supply that filters down into the audible band, that's sort of the theory anyway. Whether or not that actually degrades the sound quality is really up For debate, although I have heard the node with the s booster linear power supply and in my opinion it did sound better.
@@Norman-bone13 You're welcome, happy to always help with advice or information. You'll find that a lot of audio products when you really get into the nuts and bolts of what makes a product good versus not so good, is power supply. Whether that be an amplifier or a preamp or a CD player or a DAC, the better The power supply the better the sound quality.
with a future bluos update, the new blueasound streamer will be dsd enablred, this is a great new. well, wiim is an amazing streamer for streaming services, but for local files bluesound is much better
@@michaelcampbell9459 nice question: i use a minipc with DaphileOS: nothing better IMHO (someone prefears Volumio, and by an aesthetic point ov view is better, but as sound quality i prefear Daphile). The answer is: you have DSD files? If not grab a WiiM, otherwhise Bluesound
@Randy. Given the comparison to the Wiim Ultra, the Nano just seems so stripped down. For $30 more you get WAY more. Granted, you say that the Nano sounds better than the Ultra. Using the same comparison in the Ultra video, how does it compare to the SMSL SU-1. Does the Nano sound better than that or no?
If you don’t need the additional connectivity then the Nano is a great choice. If you do need the connectivity and you want the sound quality the upcoming Node N132 is the answer.
@@davidcarr6831 Well, one thing I was looking for was a good hub or preamp. Not so much the streamer as the system I am putting together is for my desktop and I have a computer right next to it. So having something to bring together a CD player (digital output), phono, a DAC and tone controls with a subwoofer output together, would be great. The Nano just seems too stripped down and even though it might sound better, I just find it hard to justify the cost when the Wiim Ultra offers so much more. The N132 sounds promising, BUT at what cost?
A quality linear power supply "normally" leads to better sound quality. More detail, more dynamics, better instrument separation, soundstaging and more.
Of all audio hardware in existence, a music streamer is near the bottom of my list of wants. My computers do a good job with streaming. A Denon receiver I have has a built-in streamer, but I never use that function because it's too much trouble and isn't better than the computer whose audio is fed into the Denon via HDMI.
I just ordered a Wiim ultra. I have been using a node 2i for the past few years but for some reason I have never been able to use Wi-Fi, it just won’t shake hands. I want to get rid of the wired connection so I am going to try the ultra as a replacement. I think to better manage EQ and bass will be an upgrade but possibly a slight downgrade in dac performance. I love the blusound app but will try wiim’s app to compare.
Suggestion. Love the channel. Please stop adding the 5 second music clips every minute or so it's incredibly annoying. I bet I'm not alone here. Ask the audience. Yes, I'm a real fan of your channel, keep the videos coming.
I do hope Bluesound comes with Husky puppy to help with unpacking. Should be a standard.
The ‘mono’ setting is also useful for speaker setup. Put the streamer into ‘mono’ mode and adjust speaker placement until the center image is precise and narrow at your primary listening position. You will most likely end up with optimal imaging when using this method.
Bluesound should come with a streamer only reference piece. I would buy that!
@@stijnvanderlooy5311 well that's effectively what this is, you have to understand that most of these companies design products that will appeal to the greatest number of consumers. While a dac less Streamer only is a great product, I've got two of them, if you want to reach the biggest audience with a product you want to make sure that that product is usable by almost everybody. That means including a built-in DAC and features that the average novice is going to want and is going to feel that they want.
Just imagine average Joe saying he wants a streamer, he's heard about how great a streamer is from some guy he works with or read about it in an article and he knows he needs one, although he can barely operate his own microwave. Do you think he's going to be capable of getting the streamer and then hooking it up to an external DAC and figuring out sampling rates and whether or not he wants the streamer to up convert to DSD 512 because his DAC supports it?, no he's going to want something he can plug into the wall and then hook the two RCA cables up to the back of his speaker or integrated amp that he bought and that just works, that's what the node nano does and that's what they're going for.
Bluesound Icon, it will be there soon :)
@@fabianpresslaber9576but icon has a dac though?
This nano is pretty much what you’re asking for. The dac in it does sound great, but I don’t use it either. It has coax, optical, and usb out. It’s perfect. The sound is GREAT. I’m so happy about choosing this over the ultra. I streamed with the wiim’s as well, and the sound doesn’t compare. I’d recommend this to anyone looking for exactly what you’re suggesting. Because it’s exactly what I was looking for, and it sounded better than I ever expected it would. It’s my favorite piece I’ve added to my system lately. I’ve had a Chromebook sitting around that I got from Verizon last time I got a new phone, and this is the first way I’ve been able to use it for my music. Through the bluOS controller app, it actually lets me play bit perfectly on an android/chromeOS device!
Excellent - one thing that Bluesound offers, that as far as I know is only available with a BlueOS device, and that is in the Radio Paradise app, you can sign into your RP account and this lets you listen to your Favorites on RP. Which is wonderful! Mine is set up so that all songs that I have rated 7 of 10 or higher plays (more or less) randomly! Several thousand songs that I like/love are streamed for my listening pleasure!
And yes, a linear power supply makes a substantial improvement, in my opinion. My Node 2i streaming into my Geshelli Labs Dayzee - sounds incredible! Way beyond what I could have imagined - better than my beloved Linn Axis; because many/most digital recordings are better than many/most LPs - which is not something I would have thought was possible just a few years ago.
I have an Eversolo DMP-A6 Master and Radio Paradise is available.
Neil, is the power supply worth it for the streamer or the Geshelli DAC or both? AND which power supply ?
Radio Paradise is available on WiiM as well.
@@loganrencher5985 yes on both! For a Node, I would recommend the kit that Beatechnik (a sibling company to Denafrips) carries. For Geshelli I would get a 12V rated for between 25W and 50W. Beatechnik also sells these under the LHY Audio brand. The one I am using now, is a custom made dual voltage unit from Pine Tree Audio.
@@FidelityNation the 4 main channels of RP, for sure - but do you know if you can sign into your account to have access to your Favorites?
I'm glad to hear Bluesound keeping up with the competitive market. The Bluesound icon is what I'm curious about.
My question that I have never heard an adequate answer to, is if I use these devices purely for streaming to an external DAC, then are there any appreciable differences between, say a Bluesound Node, a Wiim Pro Plus and this new Node Nano? I have not seen a decent mutil-device review, where each streamer is reviewed just as a standalone streamer, with the DAC taken out of the equation. How about a test by cheapaudioman, to REALLY figure out whether the streaming side of all these devices sound any different. Attach each streamer to let's say an entry level DAC, a mid-range DAC and just for giggles, a higher-end DAC, and let's see if there are solid differences.
Also, try connecting via the optical out, or Coax out, to a pair of good quality powered speakers that have their own built-in DAC and see how that sounds.
Cheers!
MUCH NEEDED!
In that scenario, each device becomes a transport, simply responsible for transporting digital data.
Aside from technical measurements, and all other factors being the same, I think it would be nearly impossible to identify a sound difference between pre-dac, digital signals.
@@clchesnutt That has been my thoughts, but if better components are used, do we have differences in noise floor? Do we have similar or identical data streams through the optical or coax? If there are any differences, are they even remotely audible? I just haven't seen any reputable or plausible testing done to answer those questions.
Cheers.
@@The80shilling Yes! I think there would certainly be differences between the tech specs of each signal. Technical measurements like this are a specialty of Audio Science Review, which many people rely on.
Audible differences though? All other factors the same, I think that would be pretty challenging to identify. Because it’s the DAC we are ultimately hearing.
The measurements community is very passionate though, so I’m sure someone will say otherwise and THD me into SINAD oblivion.
@@The80shilling I believe he mentioned this briefly in the Wiim Ultra review that it sounded better going through the SMSL SU1, but a true comparison video would be quite awesome.
Nice to see Bluesound finally innovating again. They make great products that stand the test of time. The icon will be a sweet piece of kit when it comes out looking forward to that.
This node nano is truly special. I’ve tried every wiim besides pro plus, and the nano smokes them all including the ultra. Especially for someone that just wants a streamer, that has a dac and an amp, everything else and just wants a streamer with all the digital outputs, including usb out. It’s just icing on top that its dac actually sounds really good! The BluOS is superior as well. Before you tell me I’m crazy and the ultra has all these better options, do your homework. Is it really what you want? It seems to me, that if you love vinyl, you don’t want your phono pre amp to digitize the signal, run that through the ultras dac for your sound, do you? I know I prefer just using a true phono pre amp. From what I can tell, the “analog” input on wiim also changes it to digital, runs that back through its internal dac and then outputs its sound. I have no interest in a preamp that does that. I guess if you don’t mind that part, and just want a set it and forget one device does all type of component, the ultra is perfect for you. But if you want a streamer purely for streaming, the nano is the very best. Save the $30. It’s way better than the wiim mini, so please don’t hit me with that. It’s no comparison. Try them. Maybe my system just so happens to have perfect synergy, but I really don’t believe that. Sure, it does have great synergy, but I believe this streamer would sound great in any system!
I wish these guys, BlueSound, WiiM, Cambridge would make a simple stand alone streamer with Coax, Optical, USB and i2s outputs. No DACs, no screens, just a simple streamer. And allow me to purchase my own external power supply. The caveat, do not use a Pi board, build a quality board, have galvanic isolation with industrial clocking. On the power side, have filtering to further enhance the sound. Volumio makes the Rivo, and I do own one, but I would like to see both BlueSound and WiiM make such a streamer. I would hope WiiM does this, as their software is second to none for basic streaming.
Thanks as always for your perspectives and sharing them with us all. A competitive space indeed with exciting developments coming.
Hey, you got a new free range Husky. Best unboxing to date!
And very helpful with unpacking stuff 😅😇
I just got the WiiM Ultra. And if you're looking you should also. Sounds are relative the room dimensions, speaker placement and the music your listening to. That said...
Just got myself some Sony SS-CS5 Speakers and I'm thinking about getting the Wiim Ultra to go with them as a first sound system.
I just replaced my node n130 with the wiim ultra. The wiim ultra easily sounds significantly better than the Node130. Wiim has bulletproof Ui and i think it's easier and more intuitive to navigate than bluOS. My Wiim took an update immediately and room correction works with my Pixel 8 Pro and boy does it make a massive difference in my space.
Were you using the internal DACs to compare both units? Great to hear the Ultra sounded better. Thanks!
That is helpful to hear. Waiting on my Ultra now (to replace a Pro and mid range external SMSL DAC).
Personally, I would choose the regular Wiim pro and then add my own DAC. I already have a Geshelli labs DAC that I could use. That was nearly a $400 DAC so would raise the price well above the nano, but I already have it! They’re certainly are cheaper DCS that one could connect to the pro though. Nice thing about the nano is that it would be a sleek, all in one solution.
Try the DMP-A6, giant difference
your own DAC is more superior than the Wiim's?
@@toai2 depends on the DAC.
@@BoRerunn I read that the dac in the DMP-6 is same setup as Topping D50.
@@ruger6049 dMp is something else , sounds stage is much bigger
While it is more convenient to have a 5V power input on the back panel, there is one distict advantage about upgrading the older models with an internally mounted DC interface board that then hooks up to linear supply.
Most of the these interface boards have large amount of additional filter capacitance and local regulation that then hooks up to the internal circuits via a very short ( 2 inch?) Cable.
So regardless of which external supply you use there is also additional local regulation. It is best to have final regulation as close to its target as possible and the N130 mods allow this.
Bluesound is very good at bringing new and improved products to the market, each rendition of the Node has sounded noticeably different. I’m looking forward to seeing the reviews of the new Icon model with the screen. 👍🏻
I've bought one Node so far. Last years special edition, the Node X.
It sounds wonderful connected to my CXA81 amplifier in the living room or a pair of PreSonus Eris E 4.5 BT monitor speakers in my Office. Soundwise it's up there with my usual combination of CXN V2 and DacMagic 200M going into my CXA81. I don't have experience with any other Node version.
Still waiting for pure streamer transport. Good internal power supply and good output to the external DAC is all I need.
This must be some sort of magic that no manufacturer can handle OR it's all marketing as most people will accept the dac that's already on board. Most audiophile's will forgo the internal dac which is a waste of money but most won't care so why should the manufacturers. Sucks all around.
Edit: So we're clear, I have watched the video where the ZA3 and Yamaha are compared head to head... but you don't really go through the other system elements too much. My idea is more like if you had X dollars to spend and you made the best possible setup of separates vs best possible setup using a few more expensive combo components, how would the overall capabilities of the systems compare?
As someone getting into hifi audio I would really appreciate a video that is a head on comparison of approaches to getting started. You have some videos that touch on these topics, like the video giving reasons why you might not want an integrated amp. However, it would be interesting to see head to head Yamaha A-S301 vs a roughly equivalent system of more separated components. Then comparing the price difference and how much of a listening experience difference there is. I'm really torn between spending more to get a more flexible system vs just get something like the A-S301 and save some money, then buy a tier higher of separates later and there are surprisingly few videos that compare these approaches head to head
I always watch your videos (on the TV) with my phone in text mode. 😄
... this time I noticed excellent editing.
I use an external DAC and amp so the internal stuff makes no difference to me. I just want a streamer.
The nano allows direct streaming of SiriusXM. The WiiM products do not support SiriusXM. For this reason alone, I am going to get a nano.
Timely video! Simplicity and performance RULE; that's coming from an EE and long-time audio guy. I'm buying a streamer to be a streamer, not a mediocre phono preamp, etc. Here's hoping that this Bluesound model has decent WIFI (chipset + antenna) that doesn't require me to be within very close range of my wireless router, unlike the Wiim Mini I recently returned. Having a display is a nice, useful feature. The evolution of streamers continues!
Great Wi-Fi in the Nano. You will be impressed.
" The Streaming Wars" continue they do.. Thanks for the video Randy 🙂
@cheapaudioman Awesome review. Wiim is doing everyone a favor by pushing the features boundaries. Their innovation is lightyears away from others. But they are still behind on the delivery front, but ascending in output. Good for them, good for us. Best thing about this review? You're not biased on the sound, you gave it to us straight. Killing it! Keep'em coming Mr Randy! 🙃
This is the perfect product for me
Thank you for this comprehensive review of this component
I like that the Nano doesn’t have a screen. Can’t see 3” from the couch anyway. And if the sound is better…
I have a Biuesound Node and really like it. Can you do a more in-depth comparison of the Nano vs. Node? And what can we expect from the forthcoming Icon?
Luv your channel but your puppy steals the show 😊
I don't think the Nano targets the Wiim, it's going after the Cambridge MXN10, which has a similar feature set but is much less expensive. Neither the Nano nor MXN10 will handle UPnP. Why is that important? I'm an Audirvana Studio user and connecting to the Wiim Pro via UPnP works well. From the Wiim, the signal is fed to the SMSL SU-1 via coax. Also, the optical connection is a big plus for input from the TV. Finally, the built-in room correction is a major plus. Wiim's room correction functionality appears to be modeled after Yamaha's YAPO in the RX-V2600. The Wiim has the added benefit that each input can have its own settings.
This comment has nothing to do with this video other than you do mention the Icon. Your review of the WiiM Ultra had one in my Amazon basket and I deliberated, because I was really waiting to see if Bluesound was going to react and there was that cryptic message out there and lo and behold the very next day here we are. Your review of the Node way back just asking for a screen to be added really was what I was looking for. That's what I wanted. Now the Icon is arriving soon and it has more than that, including cost. But it's thrown a wrench into my audio plan. I like the big screen, like the overall size, don't need XLR, and the dual DAC....the plan was to get a Dayzee. For that cost maybe I don't do an external DAC? Maybe the Icon will sound "good enough" and I don't do a Dayzee. I await to see what both you and Darko say to be further flummoxed by indecision. A node with a screen.... that's what I wanted Bluesound. Maybe one day there will be an Icon Lite? And I can wait forever for that.
Ya I’m with you there!
Bluesound is a better quality product. The wiim fan boys will jump all over that because they think those cheap streamers are the best there is lol
The sound quality that Icon will offer negates the need for an external DAC. Clean, elegant, simple, high performance.
The Nano also supports Airplay 2. Which WiiM couldn't be bothered to include in the Ultra.
Which is probably why the Nano cost almost as much as the Ultra with about 1/3 of the Ultra's features and connections.
@@garrickhanson I don't think so. Airplay 2 is in the $89 WiiM Mini, so it can't cost that much to implement.
Nobody who takes music seriously is using ANY wireless protocol to listen to music. Unless you are cutting the grass.
@@FidelityNationagreed!
I had a guy on the last CAM video who said that a wireless connection is better than a wired connection….
I almost feel out of my chair laughing .
Then I realized that he only had a pair of active Edifier speakers….lol
🙄 so many insecure people out there that for go common sense because of their mental issues…
Airplay 2 AND bluetooth aptX. And yes, you can ask who is using bluetooth on a streamer but that addition adds value that others don't offer.
Thanks for the heads up cheapaudioman! I’m thinking about getting a streamer and love the Wiim and Nano form factor and price points. Question for the group, using AirPlay from my iPad will either of these sound better connected to a stand alone DAC like a Topping Velvet or Denafrips? Thanks in advance!
I think you are paying more for the Nano because of the premium internal DAC. That said, if you already have an external DAC, I'd go for a WiiM Pro and use it only as a transport feeding your DAC.
I like the WiiM solely for the fact that it is not NAD. Big hi-fi companies and dealers need to feel the burn.
NAD is a big company? News to me. These are all niche products in a niche market. Yes, NAD supports locals dealers, but that shouldn’t be a crime ❤
@@davidcarr6831 NAD is owned by a much larger company.
Thanks for this comparison.
However, I am thinking quitting the Bluesound/NAD ecosystem, mostly because playlist management is ridiculously poor.
Possibly moving to Wiim + Plex.
BluOS is ok-ish. Not as great as Cambridge's StreamMagic in my opinion. And definitely far inferior to Roon. Roon being my daily driver when it comes to playing music.
This couldn’t possibly arrive at a better time! I needed one AirPlay 2 compatible.
Now i need to find something i can connect my SACD, Cassette player, Turntable and headphones DAC/AMP to my SVS Soundbase
Love your video. Thank you so much for that update. Would also love to see very cheap solutions, like a Raspberry Pi with Volumio for example. Also usable as a streamer and the possibility to upgrade the used DAC :)
Is there anything less expensive than a WiiM Mini + SMSL SU-1 (less than $200 for both streamer and the DAC), that sounds even HALF as good?
If you have a new puppy I HIGHLY recommend the books and videos by Dr. Ian Dunbar. Because of many friends recommendation I bought his 'Sirius Puppy Training' video back in '89 when I got my Samoyed, Rocky, and it made the following 14 1/2 years much more enjoyable. Rocky picked up everything pretty quickly. Anyway, with high energy dogs it's especially important to train them early and be consistent with how everyone treats the dog. I'm also a convert to positive reinforcement when it comes to discipline. Never had to hit or spank Rocky. He was housetrained really fast. Anyway, that video made a huge difference having Rocky.
Bluesound what were you thinking? No digital inputs on the nano? Improved dac that you cannot connect to a tv or computer. New node has no coax in and a shared analog/optical? I saw these release and was so excited until I saw the back. Wiim pro plus for the 💯 percent win.
🤦🏻♂️ total miss
I don't know if it's a miss. If you want preamp features, get the Wiim. If you can get by the fact that the Nano is really a transport it should make no difference as you can either hit the source select on the Wiim or on your amplifier. They're the same thing in my mind.
If you want the connectivity and the sound quality get the new Bluesound Node N132 when it comes out in a month. Problem solved ❤
@@davec2939 I have a CD/DVD, pre-amp, power amp etc. I do not need a pre-amp or amp or dac or Bluetooth, none of it just an output to a dedicated dac. Why is this so hard for some people to grasp. Maybe I'm missing something, why do we need inputs on a streamer? Transport only please and thank you.
No LED screen with album art. I feel like LED screens are important as Power Meters were in the 70’s. Got to have that album art ❤
The new Node Icon has the screen
In a desktop setup the screen may be a nice addition. With me, sitting nine feet away, it has little value.
I have a CXN V2 in the living room. And to be honest when sitting in the couch it is unreadable. Album art is nice, but otherwise its a quite useless feature.
@@SandsOfArrakis I suppose, but so were power meters 🫣
@@davec2939 and adds to the cost. But it's pretty and pretty sells.
Liking my WiiM Ultra but I still prefer my Schiit Mani 2 as my phono pre instead of running through the Ultra. Mani brings out the highs a tad better, for my liking. The Ultra wasn't terrible by any means just sounded a hair flatter than the Mani 2. Of course, the Mani has a bit more customization when it comes to setting up your preferred sound, through its settings. I also noticed I had to increase the volume about 20% when running through the Ultra as it played at a lower level than the Mani 2.
Off topic. Got Fosi Audio BT20A.
Rolled and stuck on GENUINE OPA2134 from a reputable.
Touch of DSP and EQ...
128kbps MP3 over bluetooth; superb amp.
Streamers…. Ugh. It feels like the industry is stepping over dollars to pick up dimes.
Will this Zitt ever pop?
I very much enjoy all the content you put.
Do you feel that this slice of tech is getting a touch over battled for? It feels to me that we are just watching undercard after undercard fights.
It’s not anyone’s fault. It’s just what is what’s out there to comment on. Ya just get bored of the fly weights.
I have the Wiim Pro and the Node 2i. The Coax outputs sound different and the Node 2i is better. Better how? The Node sounds more neutral or normal and the Wiim Pro sounds altered. Wiim Pro coax output sounds weaker than Node, Wiim also sounds rounder and softer with less impact. Wiim also lacks some bass, but all of that improves a little with Direct Connet to your router with a network cable. The Network cable connection gives the Wiim a slightly cleaner sound with more bass reproduction. It is still rounder and softer, and I still prefer the Node 2i for more clarity and more of a neutral/normal sound. But the Wiim with network cable is a better overall experience that has some enticing characteristics.
Bluesound has improved a lot since Gen 2i. I think you’ll find the new stuff better overall. By the way, the digital outputs sound better on the Node because of lower noise. Digital may be digital but it is not immune to noise.
@@davidcarr6831 I only use the SPDIF output, so upgraded DACs with better sound doesn't mean much to me. If the Node Mini sound as good out of the SPDIF, I will buy one, but it is hard to get that information from 'reviews'. I've had 8 DACs through my system, so I understand how digital might be different for different designs.
is it possible to stick a USB/SSD drive in the back of the Nano / wiim ultra and play when the device is not connected to the network?
In term of sound quality only, how does it compare to the Cambridge mxn10 you also reviewed? Thanks 😇
Puppy Approved Streamer!!!
I thought I wanted a Node (not the Nano since it has no HDMI ARC port) to use with my NAD C272 power amp and Dynaudio speakers. However... I'm discovering Plex. And that works (or is going to work) with Wiim products, but no such plans are known for Bluesound (and software-wise it might be competition actually). But Plex basically means that I have my own Spotify service from my own library. Even when I'm out and about, and the Wiim can function as an endpoint.
But if it doesn't sound as good... that's another thing to think about. I could use an external DAC but it's not something I prefer.
Waiting for the new BlueSound Icon review
Ya that one will be exciting
Now you are into Advance you forget to test the WTX Stream tubes 🤔
What’s the best streamer I should buy if TH-cam Music is my music subscription of choice?
@cheapaudioman I have seen a few of your videos and love the cost effective solution you share.
Now I have some investment plans ongoing so cannot invest in a new audio setup. So, I was thinking about building one from whatever is available with me.
1. An old LED FHD TV (not smart TV) for Display
2. Old Dell Studio laptop, with 5.1 channel support & Realtek HD Audio ALC888 onboard.
3. Creative 2.1 speakers with decent bass for front speakers.
4. BPL Double cassette player with line--in option, stereo support with surround sound setup (2 speakers per channel). Very crisp & clear sound. Planning to use these as back surround speakers.
Problem: As soon as I set the sound card to 5.1 the base is very much reduced in the 2.1 speaker and I don't have any center speaker & separate subwoofer.
I do have a few bluetooth speakers with aux-in but that woofer is the major missing part.
Is there any other way to configure the above setup?
If not, can you recommend a product for missing speakers (only subwoofer or may be both subwoofer & center speaker) that I can also use with any other home theater setup that I may purchase in future.
No Airplay with WiiM Ultra! Assume WiiM was rushing to get Ultra out before Bluesound Nano and did not have time to fix Airplay problems. Also assume that there has been a huge number of Amazon returns of Ultra from people like me who did not read Amazon description fine print which warned that Ultra was not compatible with Airplay.
Airplay is lossy and I’ve seen people ask about it as it is a convenient wireless connection but not the best for quality.
I think it was and is omitted on the ultra ( wiim says it has no plans to add airplay)& and other new streamers because it’s not very popular anymore apple should do a “connect” feature like tidal instead of using proprietary connections like airplay. It’s also because of apple that very few streamers have Apple Music natively.
They are not good to their customers that way.
I’ve considered adding an Belkin SoundForm Connect AirPlay 2 Adapter & Airplay 2 Receiver to connect into my WiiM Ulta’s toslink input port. Not sure there is any audio quality loss.
@@stevenwaldstein2249 air play is aac format which is lossy to begin with
@@Audiodreamer192-24So a viable option it seems. Don’t know if there are any other AitPlay receivers like this available. Are you aware of any?
@@stevenwaldstein2249 honestly I don’t. I know it’s a huge pain in the A** but my recommendation would be to ditch apple music for Tidal,or Quobuz. Apple is just to proprietary making it very difficult.
I can not wait to demo the Node Icon. Maybe my new Preamp
Same here
With no inputs, I would not see this as a preamp.
@@davec2939 we are talking about the icon model that hasn’t been released yet….
And yes it has a state of the art preamp. But yes the nano does not have a preamp , it’s the entry level node.
@@Audiodreamer192-24 Yes, I see where I made my mistake. The standard Node would also make a great preamp.
@@davec2939 check out the upcoming icon, there are videos on it from audio advice and gramophone also some info on google. It’s a sweet piece
Thank you for all this awesome content. So my question is how does the SMSL SU-1 compare to the DAC in the Nano? Right now I use a WIIM mini and the SU-1 and it sounds great. You mentioned in the WIIM Ultra review that the SU-1 sounded better than the ESS DAC in the Ultra. So is it the same for the ESS in the Nano? Is the SU-1 still the best sounding?
My experience with the SU-1 and these ESS DAC chips is that the SU-1 sounds more like the Denafrips Ares line of DACs, at least to my ears, on my system. The ESS DACs in these less expensive streamers tend to have a bit of sibilance, and can be harsh if not bright sounding. I do know the DAC in the Ultra is much better than what is found in the Mini and Pro streamers, I own them all. And I would assume, having owned a Node N130, that the DAC in the Node Nano will be on par with the Ultra, maybe better, maybe worse. The selling point at this $300 price point to me is the software, mainly the software in the WiiM Ultra, with the EQ, PEQ and Room Correction, along with a much wider choice of streaming services. I like my TuneIn and Amazon Music, neither are available on the Node products.
Wow , cheapaudioman answered the question before I asked , " What about bluesound ? " .
Your into is the exact time to the second it takes to get myself a cup of coffee ☕🤔
I have WiiM Mini running into the SMSL SU-1 in my office. Less than $200. Wondering how the Bluesound Nano sounds in comparison.
Better.
CheapAudioPooch!!
I've sat within the Sonos ecosystem for some time but recently tried a Wiim Pro in the office, I was surprised with the lack of Apple Music support (I sent it back and now have a Sonos Port). Why is it seemingly the fact that only Sonos has Apple Music streaming capabilities? Is it the Sonos architecture? Puzzling. Or can the other streamer manufacturer just not be bothered with Apple integration. I'd be interested to know.
@@DaveElby I’m sure that the dearth of native Apple Music support has something to do with to do with Apple wanting it that way. It’s also worth noting that the Sonos Apple Music streaming is supposed to be capped at 256kbps AAC, so not the hi resolution that they sell so hard. Still nice that anyone offers native Apple Music support though.
Cool thanks Randy!
Like Shark Week… love it. 😂
I do not like the eq in the blue sound node app. But I prefer the sound much better out of the blue sound node over the Wiim. That is blue sound node sounds great in fixed volume output mode, not so great with bass and treble control enabled. Wiim need to use eq to bump up bass, and eq does great on Wiim…but still, blue sound node dac sounds better. That is second generation blue sound node compared to Wiim pro.
Forgive my naivete, but in what way are android based streamers not just an app as well?
We’re I can find information about
Mass storage
I want ad HDD via usb port but how big can be 1 tb
What about laptops or desktop pc as a streamer ? What sacs are used in them?
can you connect an echo to the whim ultra
Wondering what Cambridge is going to do with their MXN10. Why would anyone pay $500 for that streamer when you can buy the Nano for $200 less?
I am waiting for the WIIM Pico streamer.
Is this a Wiim Ultra but with tomatoes, onions, and cilantro?! If yes, buying one
As a swede I am waiting WIIM Angstrom streamer.
@@peterkarlsson1825 I am waiting for a German who is waiting for a WIIM Planck streamer now
Since the Nano doesn’t have any inputs, wouldn’t it compare more with the Wiim Mini? In that arena, the biggest advantage is the Nano’s ESS9039Q2M chip. But is it worth 2x the price?
The sound quality is clearly better. If that’s what’s important than the question answers itself.
please stop with click baity titles.. I like your content btw
All this "back and forth" between Wiim and everything we else makes me happy I have the Eversolo A-6.
Just wait for Bluesound Icon ;-)
Been playing with one of these the last couple days in my headphone setup.
I was trying to replace an Oppo UDP-205 I use for playing local files on a 1TB USB drive.
last week I did the same with the Wiim Ultra which I promptly returned (but that's another story).
Both the Oppo and Nano were plugged into my headphone amp via RCA inputs.
The Oppo has this beat in every aspect possible for sound quality. So much so that I thought it just must be louder than the Nano ?
I played some test tones and measured the outputs and surprise, the Nano was actually .1dB louder so basically the same.
Was really noticeable on Hi-res and MQA files (night & day). The nano does not do DSD so no comparison there.
If I had to sum it up the bass was weak & flat and was kind of Midrange forward.
Why the hell do they not give you some sort of simple power Off (same gripe on Wiim which burns about 5w all the time) ?
Stupid to have a trigger out btw way when the thing is always On.
The USB port does not seat all the way in (probably some 10 cent cheap ass connector). I did try and use the USB port to the USB DAC input on the Oppo. This does work contrary to what reviewers are saying. You do have to select the DAC (Identified correctly as Oppo BDP-205) in the Audio setup. This kills the analog & digital outputs when you select the USB DAC output and since this is the only USB port you loose local files.
Comparing the app to other streamers I have used, Eversolo and Volumio, this one is not that great but workable.
So I decided to crack this thing open and take a look at what $299 gets you.
Hmm, The DAC circuit is about the size of 2/3 of my little pinky.
Kind of what you may find in some cheap USB dongle etc. (I'm guessing about $10-12 of parts here).
OK, whats next. They have 2 steel plates screwed & glued to the top cover.
Removed both of them and got 10dB higher Wi-Fi strength since they shield the little antenna inside (dumb).
Why stop there so I removed the Blu Tooth antenna and circuit card since I will never use those.
lastly I removed the silly front panel assy since everything I need to do has to be done in the app.
Now I just have it connected to the Oppo via toslink for when I want to stream Spotify or Radio Paradise.
Would have liked to have replaced the Oppo but sound wise its a No Go.
If you like the Blue Os landscape and will use this in some low res system like a bedroom or multi room system this is OK but it's really only worth about $199 (or less) IMHO.
Your Mileage may vary !!
Interesting, so this new Nano sounds like a dead copy internally of what is found in the WiiM Pro? Good to know.
For me, all these tools for bending the sound mean that the rest of the system is also inexpensive. And that's not something you can fix with unicorn dust.
I'll look into using the Nano.
I didn't like using the Wiim Pro.
Constant connection problems and far too many useless gimmicks.
I've always been a fan of "keep it simple".
ESPECIALLY in this price range.
Would you go for a Wiim Pro with a $200-300 DAC or the Wiim Ultra? I'm setting up an Emotiva XB2, but the lack of AirPlay on the Ultra is a concern for me as a Mac user. What do you think? Maybe a video on complete setup recommendations would be great, especially with all the new products out there!
Buy the ultra if you need / want the features. If you then find the sound isn't to your liking, you can always add a dac later. You can't add extra features to the Pro. But, if you don't need the features of the ultra, then the pro with external dac is likely to sound better. But, would you notice? Would you care?
@@RacingAnt Thanks for the input! Since this will be my first setup, I’m not sure if I’d notice the difference. It is odd that the Ultra doesn’t have AirPlay while other Wiim products do. I’m still new to all of this, so the sound quality will probably suit me just fine. I’m just trying to figure out where to allocate my budget to get the best outcome based on these reviews.
This is what the Nano is for.
How about the app to control it?
It is a pity the Node Nano does not support DLNA. Otherwise it would be the perfect streamer for me.
DLNA is outmoded. The BluOS app replicates that functionality and more without the security issues.
Is the Blusound Nano a certified Roon endpoint? I own a BluSound Node but got several WiiM Pros and Pro plus because ther was no lower cost BluSound device until now. Love to learn more. Thank you and take care.
It will be. Roon certification takes time.
@@davidcarr6831 Thank you. Have had to wait for it before and can wait again if the new Node products are worth it.
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Anyone have a recommended Linear Power Supply for the Bluesound?
What's the deal with linear power supplies? is there something wrong with small energy saving switchers that come with almost every product?
No there isn't, however most audio enthusiasts believe that a linear power supply powering a product creates a better sound than does a switching power supply. Me personally I feel that it does sometimes although that said I have heard products with really high quality switching power supplies that sound freaking awesome.
I think a lot of it has to do with the high frequency noise that's generated in a switching power supply that filters down into the audible band, that's sort of the theory anyway. Whether or not that actually degrades the sound quality is really up For debate, although I have heard the node with the s booster linear power supply and in my opinion it did sound better.
@@AudiorevueThank you for that reply. Well-stated answer. It clarified that question to me.?
@@Norman-bone13 You're welcome, happy to always help with advice or information.
You'll find that a lot of audio products when you really get into the nuts and bolts of what makes a product good versus not so good, is power supply. Whether that be an amplifier or a preamp or a CD player or a DAC, the better The power supply the better the sound quality.
I have the Sony AZ 7000 ES receiver. What advantage, if any would I have going to one of these streamers?
Sound quality for streaming music will be better with the Bluesound Nano.
with a future bluos update, the new blueasound streamer will be dsd enablred, this is a great new.
well, wiim is an amazing streamer for streaming services, but for local files bluesound is much better
How is it better for local files and then to an ext dac?
@@michaelcampbell9459 for local files? fiio, imho, if you have dsd files; if you have only pcm wiim (about dac: yours ears, yours choice :D )
@@michaelcampbell9459 nice question: i use a minipc with DaphileOS: nothing better IMHO (someone prefears Volumio, and by an aesthetic point ov view is better, but as sound quality i prefear Daphile). The answer is: you have DSD files? If not grab a WiiM, otherwhise Bluesound
Can it output to an external DAC via USB?
Who is that dawg?!
@Randy. Given the comparison to the Wiim Ultra, the Nano just seems so stripped down. For $30 more you get WAY more. Granted, you say that the Nano sounds better than the Ultra. Using the same comparison in the Ultra video, how does it compare to the SMSL SU-1. Does the Nano sound better than that or no?
Anyone please? If you have tested both the Blue sound Nano and the SMSL SU-1, which sounds better?
If you don’t need the additional connectivity then the Nano is a great choice. If you do need the connectivity and you want the sound quality the upcoming Node N132 is the answer.
@@davidcarr6831 Well, one thing I was looking for was a good hub or preamp. Not so much the streamer as the system I am putting together is for my desktop and I have a computer right next to it. So having something to bring together a CD player (digital output), phono, a DAC and tone controls with a subwoofer output together, would be great. The Nano just seems too stripped down and even though it might sound better, I just find it hard to justify the cost when the Wiim Ultra offers so much more. The N132 sounds promising, BUT at what cost?
@@jukingeo $549
What? Only the Ultra doesn’t have Airplay.
No headphone jack on the Nano. Doesn't matter to me, but 'jus sayin'.
Not being in the cult, it would be nice to know why the faithful even WANT a linear power supply...
A quality linear power supply "normally" leads to better sound quality. More detail, more dynamics, better instrument separation, soundstaging and more.
Of all audio hardware in existence, a music streamer is near the bottom of my list of wants. My computers do a good job with streaming. A Denon receiver I have has a built-in streamer, but I never use that function because it's too much trouble and isn't better than the computer whose audio is fed into the Denon via HDMI.
New pup!
It comes with a dog? 😮
Like it!
But is it also a preamp? this Nano device, I mean
Yes. It can be set to fixed or variable output.
@@davidcarr6831 I know it’s also a DAC. For the Wiim, it’s both a DAC/preamp
Can you please go to your optometrist and get your glasses fixed? Thanks!
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Don't Wiim streamers give you Apple Music thru Chromecast. With my Android phone, no Chromecast is a deal breaker.
Why would you waste money on a hires streamer anyway if you are just using a wireless based protocol to listen to music?
Wouldn't buy a Bluesound ever again.
Why ?
Well no Sub Out it's not on my list...I can always tinker or get an external Dac that's better and so it gives much more options.
The Ultra does have a sub out
The upcoming Node N132 has sub out amongst a whole slew of other features, and it will have better performance to boot.
Nooooooo! …. I just bought the WiiM Pro Plus.
I just ordered a Wiim ultra. I have been using a node 2i for the past few years but for some reason I have never been able to use Wi-Fi, it just won’t shake hands. I want to get rid of the wired connection so I am going to try the ultra as a replacement. I think to better manage EQ and bass will be an upgrade but possibly a slight downgrade in dac performance. I love the blusound app but will try wiim’s app to compare.
Node 2i is two generations back (2018 release). WiFi is much much better with today’s Bluesound.
Can u insert a Dragonfly to it ?