@@TakakiM-sr1df you have to be nice with someone that stalk your kid? Put his fingers in his mouth? Assault your employee grabbing his neck? World is not a playground. But I'm agree about Murray he is a totally dic*, people that work for TV are like hyenas.
@@velzaresp8623 I'm not talking about everything else you child 🤡 all I said is Thomas and Murray is cruel and mean in general and I'm tired of people saying they are nice and the good guys like people only want to see one person point of view and not everyone else point of view and Thomas calling residents civilians a 🤡 I'm a resident civilian and I have friends that is very poor even some of my family members so I know what it like and I also see it and I also see people being mean to homeless people me and my family buy and give food and money to homeless people helping everyone as much as we can you 🤡🤡🤡
I think the people who were mad about people liking this movie don't get that a character can be tragic or sympathetic and a monster. Arthur suffered a lot and it turned him into a monster with a warped sense of justice. By the end of the movie it appears he has no qualms with attacking that psychiatrist too. As someone with a mental illness, I feel for how he is looked at when his illness makes him stick out and look crazy.
i love hearing yalls perspectives because you haven't been exposed to cultural aspects of these films. while yall might miss some things, your grasp of the deeper meaning always impresses me, and the reactions are very genuine.
I am reminded of the 1993 Michael Douglas film, "Falling Down". IIRC It began with him stuck in gridlock traffic, his Car's A/C was broken. Then a fly invaded his car and annoyed the heck out him. He abandoned his car, and then everything went down hill from there.
@@x_trio_3_po333 That movie subtly told us he had been suffering for far longer than that: his estranged family, unemployment, bad financial situation and he basically live in his car without a home.
@@mdd4296 That information isn't revealed until much later in the film, and for good reason. Its allows for some mystery surrounding the character to compel the viewer to keep watching to find out what his deal really was. All that is initially shown is that the main character was having a very bad morning that escalated to a violence. I wasn't going spoon feed the story to those who haven't seen it yet.
Most of this happens in Arthur's imagination. That's why you can't trust anything you saw, as it is all from Arthur's perspective. Nothing, even the murders he commits, can be trusted. He did at least a few, but we can't know for certain which ones. He may have even imagined the interaction with Thomas Wayne. He certainly imagined the interaction with Murray at the beginning. He was never in the audience. For all we know, he imagined the interaction with the social worker and just stopped going on his own, making up a reason in his imagination. Hell, the police may have been doing wellness checks on Arthur, but he imagined that they were persecuting him. The movie intentionally messes with your mind so that you can't take anything for truth and what it means to perceive. You can deconstruct this movie for DAYS and not be wrong with any interpretation.
I knew as soon as I saw this in my feed, that y’all were absolutely not ready for it lmao 😭 y’all are just too pure for this world, and I’m sure this must have been a tough watch for you, but your reactions were so sincere and genuine, and all the more enjoyable for it 🫶🏼
29:04 he was taken off his medication, and then things started to go wrong, and he started seeing things, and imagining things, like the relationship with the lady. i'm looking forward to the 2nd Joker, it should be out now. but another great reaction! 👍
butterfly in your hair is cute. when he punched the clock that actually wasn't in the script he did that on his own and it was so good they kept it in the movie
This is one of many Joker origin stories to come out over the years. Though it may not be *the* definitive Joker origin, I think it's a good message film regarding psychology and the contributing factors in mental illness.
*37:31* When *Arthur Fleck* kills *Murray Franklin,* that was for making fun of him, when *Arthur Fleck* watches *Murray Franklin* on *TV* as he makes fun of him.
While Arthur is watching the broadcast backstage, he sees the TV show host make fun of him, so he retaliates by shooting the host. Don't know how to say it any simpler.@@jesterssketchbook
One thing I heard is that the Joker from Dark Knight is a man who went crazy and lost empathy for the world, while this Joker is a man driven crazy by a world without empathy.
@@GrowingDownUnder Throughout Joker's entire history, he has many different origins. Nobody really knows his true origin (maybe not even himself), if even he has one. He always has a different story - that's what makes him so hard to pin down, and his chaos is the perfect foil to Batman who wants to bring order to an insane world
@@enurtsold3296 but the dark knight continues on from the ending of joker... he's in the prison at the end of this movie and in the dark knight they get him out of prison and the dark knight follows this story line
@@GrowingDownUnder Don't try too much tying the DC movies together. Every several years, Warner Bros reboots Batman, Joker, Superman, Justice League, etc. Take each saga as their own separate continuity. James Gunn is now building the new DC Universe that would be the equivalent of the MC Universe. That's the one where the movies will be tied together.
@@GrowingDownUnder It would be hard for the Dark Knight to be based after this when it came out 7 years earlier. More likely, the writers of Joker decided to take inspiration from the Dark Knight. Then wrote this movie to end where Dark Knight started.
When you talk about Arthur's destiny, you raise interesting questions about the nature of free will, whether it exists or not, at least in the case of a life such as Arthur's. The movie also calls to mind the famous quote which says (more or less) that, in a sick society, being maladjusted is the sanest response.
I’ve been looking forward to that movie all year long, and now I’m not even going to give it the time of day! So sad how they did the fans like that! Thank God for The Penguin series, it’s surprisingly great!
Bad experiences don’t always make you a worse person. In 2013 my friend shot me point blank in the chest, the bullet tore through my carotid artery and I was dead before the ambulance got me to the hospital. I was revived 9 minutes later in the T1 trama unit. I feel like the person they revived was better than the one who died… dark comment for a dark movie 😊
@@andrewvo8395 Understandable. I noticed that the film particularly touched people who work in the social sector, or who have experienced trauma and who identified with different situations in the film.
One of the things to keep in mind is that there's several different versions of Joker's origin (between various comics/movies/etc), and even in the comics one of his quotes is that he isn't even sure what the truth of his life is and prefers to keep it "multiple choice" Oh, and also lots of the movies aren't taking place in the same "world" or whatever, like this film isn't related to the Dark Knight trilogy you watched, or other Batman movies.
@@Wkfusvhlsjhudmelhl That only fits if the movie was portrayed as being a narrative told by the Joker. There is no indication that this is the case here. Although, it also is not said that it isn't, so who knows.
Obviously, the film is deliberately vague about Arthur's neighbor, but did he murder her? And the child? You can hear the sirens in the background when he's laughing on the couch after 'visiting' her...
I'd have to give it a full rewatch myself but I feel like Murray and Thomas Wayne show how accountability is not consistent in Gotham. It's on the 'have-nots' to be responsible, to fix their own lives, to keep the status quo and take the blame when things go wrong. The 'havers', the elites like Wayne, Murray and the Wall Street jerks believe they are never responsible or play a part when things do go wrong. Murray made fun of Arthur both as just someone on a clip and as a guest on his show, he found out Joker was a murderer but wanted the prestige of interviewing him instead of being responsible and calling the police. The city was in shambles from the very beginning of the movie but the rich were comfortable with their lives watching theatre shows and so had no intention of making changes other than for their own interests. Wayne running for mayor was just a publicity stunt for his image yet he had no care for the people of Gotham, calling them all clowns. He might not have covered up Arthur being his son but he almost certainly would have covered up the harrassment of that woman on the train if she came forward against his employees. He knew that Arthur was a victim of his mother but made no effort into helping him see the truth or convincing someone he knows has been indoctrination
I remember watching this movie for my 1st out of 3 times in the cinema, when a family of mom, dad, older sister and younger brother sat on the row in front of me. In the first scene, where Arthur laughs out of pain and despair, the young boy (around 10 years old) whispered to his mom "I don´t think, that I wanna watch this movie". The family sat still for another 5-10 minutes and then left with a sad boy. This movie is not a superhero/supervillain movie. It´s a social study of men at the very rock bottom of society, who suffers in silence and experiences nothing but alienation from the world around them. I am so happy, that Hollywood had the courage to make this movie, because I think, it´s the most relevant and important movie of the last 20 years for the forgotten but suffering men of our Western World.
I still remember the media response for when this movie came out. "Nobody watch this movie, it's going to be responsible for multiple shootings, the message is only for toxic, conservative, white, incels who hate people of different colours and creeds". The irony being that more violence occurred at Frozen 2 screenings than Joker ones and that even if this movie reflects men's feelings of being ostracised by society, that feeling was not just solely for white, male, racists but anyone who felt left behind. The media didn't get this movie or they did and didn't like what it said about them
Meh. Its just this gens version of the movie "Falling Down". Except this film, is more a representative the vast Mental Health issues... that are not dealt with properly. Certain individuals, will always be a danger to society... and many of them Should be separated from society. Early testing and Diagnosis, is key to preventing a LOT of future Tragedy. But the ELITE dont want that... because they dont have to deal with the Chaos... AND... because it only helps to reduce the general population growth + keep the tax payer dollars rolling into their pockets.
@@OptimusPrimeribs Life never has any straight road. We all hit bottom in life at some point, but you just have to remember, that you will always be in a different position in 3, 5 or 10 years from now. Keep your head above water and try to breathe. Seek help if you find everything to be beyond your control or just too heavy. Help is out there, but they can´t help, if you don´t tell them. The phone is right there, my man. Take care of yourself.
This movie is very good but also very dark, may I suggest an all time classic for you two to watch - Ghostbusters 1984 an all time classic and one of the best comedies ever made.
For such a heavy movie I really enjoyed y’all’s reaction! Already it’s one of my favorites of yours! Y’all are great! Sending love from Tulsa, Oklahoma USA 🇺🇸 ❤️🤗
Its important to keep in mind that the view we see of Thomas Wayne in this is from jokers perspective. Its entirely possible for Thomas to be as Bruce remembers him in the Dark Knight movies. . .but also as Joker views him. People are complicated and what few interactions Joker had with Thomas in person were negative and frankly. . .creepy. other than that he just saw him in the media.
I always thought they should have put in the movie the song I Started a Joke by The Bee Gees, the Entertainer, or maybe Vesti La Guba from Pagliacci the tragic clown (I started a joke, which started the whole world laughing, I started to cry, which started the whole world smiling, until I finally died, which started the whole world living, Oh if I’d only seen, that the joke was of me)
We hear a lot nowadays about how 'mental health can affect anyone', and of course that is true. But this sentiment serves to disguise the reality that most people who suffer with depression are dealing with material problems; poverty, fatigue, specific hardships and losses - and a cruel society. Alienation is on the rise, sympathy withheld from 'majority demographics' out of ideology. We are hurtling ever further into a world that smugly proclaims that it doesn't care about the suffering of white working class men, and this callous attitude will only continue to creep. This film was terrific and tremendously important, which is why it rattled the chains of hollywood and the elites. It's message must not be dismissed. We have to address issues materially; taxes must be spent on healthcare rather than expensive wars on other continents. People must have food, water, shelter and safety or we will tear ourselves and our society apart.
The Cartoon version of Joker I grew up with (1990's Batman) was originally a gangster. He fell into a vat of chemicals that turned his skin completely white and made him even more crazed than he was before (he was shown to be a violent killer even before the accident). Having grown up with the above version really clashes with this movie, but at the same time I feel this is a much more realistic take on the origins of this iconic villain - you could actually see something like this happen in real life.
I'm a little late for the scary movie recommendations, but: The Thing (1982 version); The Ring; the Japanese movie, Ju-On, and/or its American remake, The Grudge; It Follows; 28 Days Later and its follow-up, 28 Weeks Later; Cloverfield; and my "favorite" scary movie to watch late at night on TV when I was a kid, The Haunting (made in 1963). Prey is mostly a sci-fi action movie, but it has some nice horror moments.
It's that age old tale of is it nature or nurture. Had he been adopted by someone else and had a loving childhood with no head trauma he may have had a very different life. They do a great job of showing the juxtaposition of him and Bruce to show just how different his life could have been. It all boils down to a failing of the system in Gothic city. The adoption services were negligent in their checks and balances for who is allowed to adopt a child. The system failed him and created the person he became every step of the way. From his adoption to them closing down funding for the medical services he was receiving and stopping his medication.
I like parts of this film. I think it's much more fun seeing him *after* he goes full Joker. But watching Arthur's actual descent into madness is both disturbing and depressing. Probably my favorite moment is when Arthur lets Gary out of the apartment. It's a nice break in the drama for a good chuckle, and shows that last little shred of humanity Arthur had before he truly became the Joker.
I may be late to this party, but just in case someone sees this, if you liked this movie, I highly recommend two Martin Scorsese movies: "Taxi Driver" (1976), and "The King of Comedy" (1982). "Joker" draws VERY heavily from both of these films and many scenes are near remakes of iconic scenes in those films. Robert De Niro, who plays Murray Franklin in this movie, plays the lead in both of these films, and it is no accident he is in "Joker". I don't want to say too much about either film, because I think the less you know going in the better, but I will say you will probably be busy analyzing these movies and their meaning in much the same spirit as Chi and Hella did after watching "Joker". "The King of Comedy" has been mentioned already by someone else, but I thought I was worth expanding on those remarks for anyone interested. Cheers!
This movie got a lot of hate from the comic book fans, but I always thought it was perfect how Joker could have just been a average guy who never had a chance and took all the wrong choices.
A running theme in the comics is The Joker is always trying to prove it only takes one bad day to make people like him but The Batman always proves otherwise.
11:48 chi's reaction is priceless lol omg girls congratulations getting through this dark, depressing, hopeless movie Joaquin phoenix delivered on this big time So much I had to recover my positive thoughts back it's painful to watch but it's so good
I mentioned this in the Dark Knight reaction that there is no “official” Joker backstory, but I do want to say that there have been many interpretations of what it would be like in the comics, some were good, some were okay, and some were bad, but so far this movie has been my personal favorite of what a Joker origin story would look like.
Hello Movie Munchies, hello everyone!!! Fun fact: the woman Arthur/Joker likes, Sophie, is played by Zazie Beetz, who also played Domino the lucky woman in Deadpool 2.
Just to clarify it girls, this movie has NO CONECTION with the Batman Trilogy you recently saw. These are two different directors, showing two different versions of the Batman universe. This Thomas Wayne (Bruce's father) is not the same as the one from the Trilogy.
There are many Batman comics and movie writers. And each writer has a different origin history for their characters. So, this isn't the only origin history for Joker.
Man you guys *really* connected with this. Watching this movie with you is fascinating. It's amazing how many reaction people just don't feel what's happening when they see Joker. All of this sadness and tragedy, and they can't even notice it. But you guys really got it. Thanks for doing a great video.
Several people have noted that there are different "Joker" origins. I go with the theory that "The Joker" is some kind of malevolent spirit that has to possess people in order to do anything. It uses Arkham Asylum as a kind of home base to recharge and find new hosts. It would explain why he doesn't mind going back to Arkham and keeps escaping so easily. Amaybe it can even change records and memories so no one notices if he changes bodies, such as leaving an old one in Arkham finding a new base lunatic to possess on the outside. It would also explain why he doesn't age or die. That said, I don't think Arthur is one of them. He's not a criminal by nature like the others, he just got pushed over the edge, but still wasn't as evil as The Joker is. He might have been tainted or tried on by The Joker when he was in Arkham, but he wasn't a good fit, so to speak.
"Murray was so good to him and then he made fun of him."
Murray was never good to him. That was all in Arthur's imagination.
Agree both murrayyyy and Thomas Wayneee is both cruel and mean
@@TakakiM-sr1df you have to be nice with someone that stalk your kid? Put his fingers in his mouth? Assault your employee grabbing his neck? World is not a playground. But I'm agree about Murray he is a totally dic*, people that work for TV are like hyenas.
@@velzaresp8623 I'm not talking about everything else you child 🤡 all I said is Thomas and Murray is cruel and mean in general and I'm tired of people saying they are nice and the good guys like people only want to see one person point of view and not everyone else point of view and Thomas calling residents civilians a 🤡 I'm a resident civilian and I have friends that is very poor even some of my family members so I know what it like and I also see it and I also see people being mean to homeless people me and my family buy and give food and money to homeless people helping everyone as much as we can you 🤡🤡🤡
@@TakakiM-sr1df lol
@@TakakiM-sr1df why so serious murraay
Arthur Fleck: [written in notebook] The worst part of having a mental illness is people expect you to behave as if you don't.
I think the people who were mad about people liking this movie don't get that a character can be tragic or sympathetic and a monster.
Arthur suffered a lot and it turned him into a monster with a warped sense of justice. By the end of the movie it appears he has no qualms with attacking that psychiatrist too.
As someone with a mental illness, I feel for how he is looked at when his illness makes him stick out and look crazy.
5:35 Hela: “I think he should move to another city.”
Perfect 🌸🌸
Literally right! Gotham citizens are almost as mean as the citizens of Bikini Bottom!
Fantastic insight by Hella when she said his uncontrollable laughter is how he expresses his inner pain.
Many villains in comics start out as ordinary people who have gone through hell and that has left its mark.
i love hearing yalls perspectives because you haven't been exposed to cultural aspects of these films. while yall might miss some things, your grasp of the deeper meaning always impresses me, and the reactions are very genuine.
Masterful performance by Joaquin Phoenix. Love it or hate it, it's brilliant. Thanks so much for the reaction.
32:51 "No no no no, you don't dance with this!" XDDD
"All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy..."
-Joker-
People ask me if I'm having a bad day? All l I have is bad days. HAHAHAHAHA!
I am reminded of the 1993 Michael Douglas film, "Falling Down". IIRC It began with him stuck in gridlock traffic, his Car's A/C was broken. Then a fly invaded his car and annoyed the heck out him. He abandoned his car, and then everything went down hill from there.
Arthur here has only had bad days since he was a kid lol. The statement isnt applicable at all here
@@x_trio_3_po333 That movie subtly told us he had been suffering for far longer than that: his estranged family, unemployment, bad financial situation and he basically live in his car without a home.
@@mdd4296 That information isn't revealed until much later in the film, and for good reason. Its allows for some mystery surrounding the character to compel the viewer to keep watching to find out what his deal really was. All that is initially shown is that the main character was having a very bad morning that escalated to a violence. I wasn't going spoon feed the story to those who haven't seen it yet.
Sanity is like walking up the steps. Insanity is like dancing down them.
lol
I always said madness was like cliff diving in Mexico. The plunge is terrifying, but once you're in, the water is lovely!
Just adore you for being so pure hearted !
Most of this happens in Arthur's imagination. That's why you can't trust anything you saw, as it is all from Arthur's perspective. Nothing, even the murders he commits, can be trusted. He did at least a few, but we can't know for certain which ones. He may have even imagined the interaction with Thomas Wayne. He certainly imagined the interaction with Murray at the beginning. He was never in the audience. For all we know, he imagined the interaction with the social worker and just stopped going on his own, making up a reason in his imagination. Hell, the police may have been doing wellness checks on Arthur, but he imagined that they were persecuting him.
The movie intentionally messes with your mind so that you can't take anything for truth and what it means to perceive. You can deconstruct this movie for DAYS and not be wrong with any interpretation.
The bloody smile is one of the most iconic images in the history of cinema!
I knew as soon as I saw this in my feed, that y’all were absolutely not ready for it lmao 😭 y’all are just too pure for this world, and I’m sure this must have been a tough watch for you, but your reactions were so sincere and genuine, and all the more enjoyable for it 🫶🏼
Yes! Which is why I wouldn't want them to defile themselves by watching SEVEN!
Have fun but it won’t be fun for Batman when Joker is around. Maybe Batman's toughest adversary
"You get what you....deserve. 💥"
Best moment of the movie. A blame put rightfully so on society.
Remember...Joker 2 no exist.
100%
It's a fanfic with a budget, like much of what Hollywood does lately.
29:04 he was taken off his medication, and then things started to go wrong, and he started seeing things, and imagining things, like the relationship with the lady. i'm looking forward to the 2nd Joker, it should be out now. but another great reaction! 👍
butterfly in your hair is cute. when he punched the clock that actually wasn't in the script he did that on his own and it was so good they kept it in the movie
This is one of many Joker origin stories to come out over the years. Though it may not be *the* definitive Joker origin, I think it's a good message film regarding psychology and the contributing factors in mental illness.
*37:31*
When *Arthur Fleck* kills *Murray Franklin,* that was for making fun of him, when *Arthur Fleck* watches *Murray Franklin* on *TV* as he makes fun of him.
what?
While Arthur is watching the broadcast backstage, he sees the TV show host make fun of him, so he retaliates by shooting the host. Don't know how to say it any simpler.@@jesterssketchbook
@@jesterssketchbook
That's when *Arthur Fleck* kills *Murray Franklin* as he starts to make fun of him, once again.
One thing I heard is that the Joker from Dark Knight is a man who went crazy and lost empathy for the world, while this Joker is a man driven crazy by a world without empathy.
it's the same joker... this is the origins of joker and the dark knight is based after this.
@@GrowingDownUnder
Throughout Joker's entire history, he has many different origins. Nobody really knows his true origin (maybe not even himself), if even he has one. He always has a different story - that's what makes him so hard to pin down, and his chaos is the perfect foil to Batman who wants to bring order to an insane world
@@enurtsold3296 but the dark knight continues on from the ending of joker... he's in the prison at the end of this movie and in the dark knight they get him out of prison and the dark knight follows this story line
@@GrowingDownUnder
Don't try too much tying the DC movies together. Every several years, Warner Bros reboots Batman, Joker, Superman, Justice League, etc. Take each saga as their own separate continuity.
James Gunn is now building the new DC Universe that would be the equivalent of the MC Universe. That's the one where the movies will be tied together.
@@GrowingDownUnder It would be hard for the Dark Knight to be based after this when it came out 7 years earlier. More likely, the writers of Joker decided to take inspiration from the Dark Knight. Then wrote this movie to end where Dark Knight started.
Thanks for doing this one, I love seeing through your eyes. I am going to see the sequel tomorrow. Thank you both.
So cute watching them react to the Bruce 'cameo' and trying to piece together the whole Batman mythos.
Love watching you girls! No matter which ones decide to show up, always fun seeing through your eyes..👀
This is a jarring, bleak and tragic origin for Batman's most infamous foe. Joaquin Phoenix delivered big time.
@@goldytwatus1674 Cringe.
@@goldytwatus1674 I would agree it is not close, Joker is quite a step above for me :) It is pure art
@@goldytwatus1674 who cares, it's not a competition, we can enjoy both.
I wanna see what their reaction to Taxi driver would be
Best Joker film ever
When you talk about Arthur's destiny, you raise interesting questions about the nature of free will, whether it exists or not, at least in the case of a life such as Arthur's.
The movie also calls to mind the famous quote which says (more or less) that, in a sick society, being maladjusted is the sanest response.
Let's just pretend the new movie doesn't exist 😂
im trying to
Must you remind me?
ha, the first time I'm hearing an opinion of the new one. I looked it up and I guess it's rated pretty low!
I’ve been looking forward to that movie all year long, and now I’m not even going to give it the time of day! So sad how they did the fans like that! Thank God for The Penguin series, it’s surprisingly great!
Yep that
Bad experiences don’t always make you a worse person. In 2013 my friend shot me point blank in the chest, the bullet tore through my carotid artery and I was dead before the ambulance got me to the hospital. I was revived 9 minutes later in the T1 trama unit. I feel like the person they revived was better than the one who died… dark comment for a dark movie 😊
That's fucked up bro hope you are doing better
It's what you do in the aftermath,,,,,even if you don't have/want to.🌎
@@edpublicyup, that’s it brother
Your... friend ?
@@emhyrvaremreis8341 yeah from high school, roommate when he did it.
Joker is one of the best movies of 2019. It defiantly deserved the Oscars and the Golden Lion.
Shame they hate that it was successful and made the second deliberately to downplay the first.
@@anon2752 I see we’re just making stuff up
I think it was way overrated. I never felt any sympathy for the character.
*DEFINITELY, not defiantly. Those are two entirely different words.
@@andrewvo8395 Understandable. I noticed that the film particularly touched people who work in the social sector, or who have experienced trauma and who identified with different situations in the film.
35:38 "knock knock and then poop" is my favourite
Poop who? 😆 Then what?
Absolutely amazing reaction as always this is an amazing stunning film
One of the things to keep in mind is that there's several different versions of Joker's origin (between various comics/movies/etc), and even in the comics one of his quotes is that he isn't even sure what the truth of his life is and prefers to keep it "multiple choice"
Oh, and also lots of the movies aren't taking place in the same "world" or whatever, like this film isn't related to the Dark Knight trilogy you watched, or other Batman movies.
From what undestand. Joker always tells a different version of his origin. So in that sense the movie works.
@@Wkfusvhlsjhudmelhl That only fits if the movie was portrayed as being a narrative told by the Joker. There is no indication that this is the case here. Although, it also is not said that it isn't, so who knows.
38:29 He thinks is beautiful because all he ever wanted is to be noticed. No matter the reason. But in reality they noticed Joker, not Arthur Fleck.
Superb reaction as always! You girls are too cute, expressive and considerate, loved the one-liners, damn funny.
This is a standalone movie it’s not tied to anything other movie
Obviously, the film is deliberately vague about Arthur's neighbor, but did he murder her? And the child? You can hear the sirens in the background when he's laughing on the couch after 'visiting' her...
I love chi. So good reaction, so cute 😊👍
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Wishing peaceful and happy lives for both of you.
Don't watch the sequel. Let this masterpiece remain pure in your memories. Don't let it get tainted by the 2nd movie.
This is one of the greatest movies and your reaction makes it even better
An Origin Story-Batman Begins is the Origin Story for Batman, The Dark Knight the Origin Story for Two-Face and now The Joker-should be fun.
I'd have to give it a full rewatch myself but I feel like Murray and Thomas Wayne show how accountability is not consistent in Gotham. It's on the 'have-nots' to be responsible, to fix their own lives, to keep the status quo and take the blame when things go wrong. The 'havers', the elites like Wayne, Murray and the Wall Street jerks believe they are never responsible or play a part when things do go wrong.
Murray made fun of Arthur both as just someone on a clip and as a guest on his show, he found out Joker was a murderer but wanted the prestige of interviewing him instead of being responsible and calling the police. The city was in shambles from the very beginning of the movie but the rich were comfortable with their lives watching theatre shows and so had no intention of making changes other than for their own interests.
Wayne running for mayor was just a publicity stunt for his image yet he had no care for the people of Gotham, calling them all clowns. He might not have covered up Arthur being his son but he almost certainly would have covered up the harrassment of that woman on the train if she came forward against his employees. He knew that Arthur was a victim of his mother but made no effort into helping him see the truth or convincing someone he knows has been indoctrination
I remember watching this movie for my 1st out of 3 times in the cinema, when a family of mom, dad, older sister and younger brother sat on the row in front of me. In the first scene, where Arthur laughs out of pain and despair, the young boy (around 10 years old) whispered to his mom "I don´t think, that I wanna watch this movie". The family sat still for another 5-10 minutes and then left with a sad boy.
This movie is not a superhero/supervillain movie. It´s a social study of men at the very rock bottom of society, who suffers in silence and experiences nothing but alienation from the world around them. I am so happy, that Hollywood had the courage to make this movie, because I think, it´s the most relevant and important movie of the last 20 years for the forgotten but suffering men of our Western World.
I'm getting closer to the bottom.
I still remember the media response for when this movie came out. "Nobody watch this movie, it's going to be responsible for multiple shootings, the message is only for toxic, conservative, white, incels who hate people of different colours and creeds". The irony being that more violence occurred at Frozen 2 screenings than Joker ones and that even if this movie reflects men's feelings of being ostracised by society, that feeling was not just solely for white, male, racists but anyone who felt left behind.
The media didn't get this movie or they did and didn't like what it said about them
Meh. Its just this gens version of the movie "Falling Down". Except this film, is more a representative the vast Mental Health issues... that are not dealt with properly. Certain individuals, will always be a danger to society... and many of them Should be separated from society. Early testing and Diagnosis, is key to preventing a LOT of future Tragedy. But the ELITE dont want that... because they dont have to deal with the Chaos... AND... because it only helps to reduce the general population growth + keep the tax payer dollars rolling into their pockets.
@@OptimusPrimeribs Life never has any straight road.
We all hit bottom in life at some point, but you just have to remember, that you will always be in a different position in 3, 5 or 10 years from now.
Keep your head above water and try to breathe. Seek help if you find everything to be beyond your control or just too heavy.
Help is out there, but they can´t help, if you don´t tell them. The phone is right there, my man.
Take care of yourself.
What an awful, racist comment.
This movie is very good but also very dark, may I suggest an all time classic for you two to watch - Ghostbusters 1984 an all time classic and one of the best comedies ever made.
Hella so sad after watching this. You're too sweet for this world.
For such a heavy movie I really enjoyed y’all’s reaction! Already it’s one of my favorites of yours! Y’all are great! Sending love from Tulsa, Oklahoma USA 🇺🇸 ❤️🤗
I LOVED YOU SHOW!!!
VERY, VERY GOOD JOB!
Joker in this movie is the only character I can truly connect with!
Its important to keep in mind that the view we see of Thomas Wayne in this is from jokers perspective. Its entirely possible for Thomas to be as Bruce remembers him in the Dark Knight movies. . .but also as Joker views him. People are complicated and what few interactions Joker had with Thomas in person were negative and frankly. . .creepy. other than that he just saw him in the media.
I was waiting for this movie reaction. I saw this movie in the theater when it came out and it was amazing.
I always thought they should have put in the movie the song I Started a Joke by The Bee Gees, the Entertainer, or maybe Vesti La Guba from Pagliacci the tragic clown
(I started a joke, which started the whole world laughing, I started to cry, which started the whole world smiling, until I finally died, which started the whole world living, Oh if I’d only seen, that the joke was of me)
Beautiful reaction to this masterpiece and greetings from perú
We hear a lot nowadays about how 'mental health can affect anyone', and of course that is true. But this sentiment serves to disguise the reality that most people who suffer with depression are dealing with material problems; poverty, fatigue, specific hardships and losses - and a cruel society. Alienation is on the rise, sympathy withheld from 'majority demographics' out of ideology. We are hurtling ever further into a world that smugly proclaims that it doesn't care about the suffering of white working class men, and this callous attitude will only continue to creep.
This film was terrific and tremendously important, which is why it rattled the chains of hollywood and the elites. It's message must not be dismissed.
We have to address issues materially; taxes must be spent on healthcare rather than expensive wars on other continents. People must have food, water, shelter and safety or we will tear ourselves and our society apart.
Awesome reaction thanks!
you are good people
Great Reaction as Always Movie Muchies 😊
Very insightful and intelligent opening commentary ladies.
11:07 if they’re laughing, it’s funny lol. Laughter is involuntary.
The Cartoon version of Joker I grew up with (1990's Batman) was originally a gangster. He fell into a vat of chemicals that turned his skin completely white and made him even more crazed than he was before (he was shown to be a violent killer even before the accident).
Having grown up with the above version really clashes with this movie, but at the same time I feel this is a much more realistic take on the origins of this iconic villain - you could actually see something like this happen in real life.
I'm a little late for the scary movie recommendations, but: The Thing (1982 version); The Ring; the Japanese movie, Ju-On, and/or its American remake, The Grudge; It Follows; 28 Days Later and its follow-up, 28 Weeks Later; Cloverfield; and my "favorite" scary movie to watch late at night on TV when I was a kid, The Haunting (made in 1963). Prey is mostly a sci-fi action movie, but it has some nice horror moments.
Ohh Im excited for this reaction!
Great movie. How they handled the sequel is a head scratcher.
It's that age old tale of is it nature or nurture. Had he been adopted by someone else and had a loving childhood with no head trauma he may have had a very different life. They do a great job of showing the juxtaposition of him and Bruce to show just how different his life could have been. It all boils down to a failing of the system in Gothic city. The adoption services were negligent in their checks and balances for who is allowed to adopt a child. The system failed him and created the person he became every step of the way. From his adoption to them closing down funding for the medical services he was receiving and stopping his medication.
I like parts of this film. I think it's much more fun seeing him *after* he goes full Joker.
But watching Arthur's actual descent into madness is both disturbing and depressing.
Probably my favorite moment is when Arthur lets Gary out of the apartment. It's a nice break in the drama for a good chuckle, and shows that last little shred of humanity Arthur had before he truly became the Joker.
I may be late to this party, but just in case someone sees this, if you liked this movie, I highly recommend two Martin Scorsese movies: "Taxi Driver" (1976), and "The King of Comedy" (1982). "Joker" draws VERY heavily from both of these films and many scenes are near remakes of iconic scenes in those films. Robert De Niro, who plays Murray Franklin in this movie, plays the lead in both of these films, and it is no accident he is in "Joker". I don't want to say too much about either film, because I think the less you know going in the better, but I will say you will probably be busy analyzing these movies and their meaning in much the same spirit as Chi and Hella did after watching "Joker". "The King of Comedy" has been mentioned already by someone else, but I thought I was worth expanding on those remarks for anyone interested. Cheers!
So great reaction, i love hella. Es muy bella. 😊
7:00 He was actually imagining himself at the talk show. It didn't happen.
*37:31*
*HE DESERVES IT!!!!*
Great reaction. ❤
Awesome movie The Joker is fun to watch
13:57 "He's acting is so good" Joaquin Phoenix won Best Actor for his performance in “Joker” at the 92nd Oscars in 2020.🦝
Never gave us the point if he imagined Randall give him the gun or not
This movie got a lot of hate from the comic book fans, but I always thought it was perfect how Joker could have just been a average guy who never had a chance and took all the wrong choices.
My uncle loves this movie because Joker is his favorite villain in Batman
I think I heard that an inspiration for the Joker character was from the old black and white silent movie The Man Who Laughs
if "the law" is unjust then sometimes "the criminals" are just.
A running theme in the comics is The Joker is always trying to prove it only takes one bad day to make people like him but The Batman always proves otherwise.
11:48 chi's reaction is priceless lol omg girls congratulations getting through this dark, depressing, hopeless movie Joaquin phoenix delivered on this big time So much I had to recover my positive thoughts back it's painful to watch but it's so good
I mentioned this in the Dark Knight reaction that there is no “official” Joker backstory, but I do want to say that there have been many interpretations of what it would be like in the comics, some were good, some were okay, and some were bad, but so far this movie has been my personal favorite of what a Joker origin story would look like.
Hello Movie Munchies, hello everyone!!!
Fun fact: the woman Arthur/Joker likes, Sophie, is played by Zazie Beetz, who also played Domino the lucky woman in Deadpool 2.
Just to clarify it girls, this movie has NO CONECTION with the Batman Trilogy you recently saw.
These are two different directors, showing two different versions of the Batman universe.
This Thomas Wayne (Bruce's father) is not the same as the one from the Trilogy.
My new favorite movie
There are many Batman comics and movie writers. And each writer has a different origin history for their characters. So, this isn't the only origin history for Joker.
12:11 Hella: "RANDALL!!!" 😅
Man you guys *really* connected with this. Watching this movie with you is fascinating. It's amazing how many reaction people just don't feel what's happening when they see Joker. All of this sadness and tragedy, and they can't even notice it. But you guys really got it. Thanks for doing a great video.
You gals need to rewatch this movie, with the knowledge of the first viewing. Then some scenes make a lot more, much darker, sense!
If you watch the movie again, you'll notice that he was imagining a lot of it
You should watch Relentless and Black Out from the 1980’s
Just never watch the sequel. As we just learned, the director was trolling the audience.
I like that you're both scared of Joker but kinda get him
Several people have noted that there are different "Joker" origins. I go with the theory that "The Joker" is some kind of malevolent spirit that has to possess people in order to do anything. It uses Arkham Asylum as a kind of home base to recharge and find new hosts. It would explain why he doesn't mind going back to Arkham and keeps escaping so easily. Amaybe it can even change records and memories so no one notices if he changes bodies, such as leaving an old one in Arkham finding a new base lunatic to possess on the outside.
It would also explain why he doesn't age or die.
That said, I don't think Arthur is one of them. He's not a criminal by nature like the others, he just got pushed over the edge, but still wasn't as evil as The Joker is. He might have been tainted or tried on by The Joker when he was in Arkham, but he wasn't a good fit, so to speak.
This movie is basically a remake of "The King of Comedy" with a dash of Batman in it. It's definitely crazier you should watch it.
Imagine if Arthur had just walked into the Murray show like he did, take over the audience and then calmly hand Murray his card to read aloud.
24th minute, Thomas Wayne washes his hands of Joker's mother
Please react to Spiderman trilogy of Tobey Maguire version from Spiderman 1, 2 and 3
It actually makes you feel bad for the joker
speaking of the director, u should also watch the hangover