He said "no matter what degree of consent, from none to some consent" a person can be healed from guilt. I imagine he was referring to victims of rape, for example, that sometimes feel guilt for going out with someone that ends up being criminal. IF the person feels the guilt, he or she can discuss with a professional or a leader, and that person can be healed/get rid off the feeling of guilt. I understand what he says because I used to feel guilt for being stupid for so many years in an abusive marriage. It was not my fault, I just blamed myself for tolerate the intolerable.
What happens when the bishop or stake president is the abuser or a friend of the abuser? This identifies the ideal situation. The bishop or stake president needs to call the police, and not depend on the Church's lawyer, Kirton McConkie. They are more interested in protecting the image of the Church than they are in helping the victim. A teenage victim is too immature to recognize that the abuse is not her fault, and may not stop the abuse. This talk implies a certain degree of naivite on the part of the listener. In some cases, lynching the abuser may be the best recourse.
S. Thomas Lewis i am a new convert and a victim of abuse.. I have felt reason to feel what your saying.. but listen to this talk without conviction for the abuser and with love & guidance from our Heavenly Father and what he is telling us to do.. and what he is saying as the end game.. if you have a bishop who isn’t listening.. make him listen.. if your bishop is part of this abuse then follow the commandments and pray and listen to who your directed to reach out to..
If the abuse falls under the purview of your local / state / federal penal code, go to those authorities yourself. Do not wait and hope for anyone else to do so. However, I don't believe lynching is still used as a form of punishment under any laws I am aware of.
What a touchung talk you gave im a victim of sexually pysical and mental abuse,i feel dirty so much that i shoered some times with bleach you clan with even tried to commit suicide so severe that i ended up in a psyciatrist hospital undr pice section why why why didit happen but ii do see a councilor who is a priesthood holder so i do having a great blessing from him i not hardly felt suicidal ive had thoughts of it i just ring and speak to him bur fill sometime i am a burden to them but they say they would prefer me to ring him then going to my frunral service and i am glad thati i done the best thing was being a memver of the true church but cant forgive myself for not telling anyone what happed at the time of abuse especailly by my foster parents.
8:30 Responsibility for abuse? How does this work for those who has been groomed from a child? It's not their fault. They are not responsible for adults' perversion !
He’s talking about those of us who have been abused who blame themselves. Living with that guilt and shame is not ours to bear. You need to be more analytical with your approach to talks.
I was reading a quite passionate Facebook post from an old friend referring to a 2 minute clip from this talk. Where she shared her disgust of the message, and also her experience with abuse and it’s relationship with the church. As I cannot say i speak on her experiences or relate nor compare our past abuse, I wanted to make sure I at least educated myself with the full context of this talk instead of just the 2 minute clip, and it indeed changes at least for me proper perspective of where this general authority is coming from. He is trying to address a sensitive subject, I will say pretty vaguely, I read the talk online just so I could properly follow along, as someone who hasn’t experienced or understand the complexities of abuse will not get the full picture. Even he said to talk to your bishop, instead of bringing up an example or explaining in further detail, which is pretty vague and can easily be misunderstood if it wasn’t for full context. I’m curious how old this talk is, because I can definitely say the church culturally now is more open to talk about these topics as the rest of the world is too.
I don't believe that the victim ever carries any responsibility for the abuse. Ever.
That's what he was saying😊
@@StompMom5 noooope
Speak up for victims.
@@StompMom5 nope
He said "no matter what degree of consent, from none to some consent" a person can be healed from guilt. I imagine he was referring to victims of rape, for example, that sometimes feel guilt for going out with someone that ends up being criminal. IF the person feels the guilt, he or she can discuss with a professional or a leader, and that person can be healed/get rid off the feeling of guilt. I understand what he says because I used to feel guilt for being stupid for so many years in an abusive marriage. It was not my fault, I just blamed myself for tolerate the intolerable.
This talk really means a lot to me. Thank you
What happens when the bishop or stake president is the abuser or a friend of the abuser? This identifies the ideal situation. The bishop or stake president needs to call the police, and not depend on the Church's lawyer, Kirton McConkie. They are more interested in protecting the image of the Church than they are in helping the victim. A teenage victim is too immature to recognize that the abuse is not her fault, and may not stop the abuse. This talk implies a certain degree of naivite on the part of the listener.
In some cases, lynching the abuser may be the best recourse.
S. Thomas Lewis i am a new convert and a victim of abuse.. I have felt reason to feel what your saying.. but listen to this talk without conviction for the abuser and with love & guidance from our Heavenly Father and what he is telling us to do.. and what he is saying as the end game.. if you have a bishop who isn’t listening.. make him listen.. if your bishop is part of this abuse then follow the commandments and pray and listen to who your directed to reach out to..
If the abuse falls under the purview of your local / state / federal penal code, go to those authorities yourself. Do not wait and hope for anyone else to do so. However, I don't believe lynching is still used as a form of punishment under any laws I am aware of.
@@pilotandy_com its never too late.
So i think this is the 1992 April general conference talk not the 2008 April general conference talk right?
Yes it us
Thank You
I was play around with family members
A lot to take in and understand and apply.
What a touchung talk you gave im a victim of sexually pysical and mental abuse,i feel dirty so much that i shoered some times with bleach you clan with even tried to commit suicide so severe that i ended up in a psyciatrist hospital undr pice section why why why didit happen but ii do see a councilor who is a priesthood holder so i do having a great blessing from him i not hardly felt suicidal ive had thoughts of it i just ring and speak to him bur fill sometime i am a burden to them but they say they would prefer me to ring him then going to my frunral service and i am glad thati i done the best thing was being a memver of the true church but cant forgive myself for not telling anyone what happed at the time of abuse especailly by my foster parents.
8:30 Responsibility for abuse? How does this work for those who has been groomed from a child? It's not their fault. They are not responsible for adults' perversion !
He’s talking about those of us who have been abused who blame themselves. Living with that guilt and shame is not ours to bear. You need to be more analytical with your approach to talks.
I was reading a quite passionate Facebook post from an old friend referring to a 2 minute clip from this talk. Where she shared her disgust of the message, and also her experience with abuse and it’s relationship with the church. As I cannot say i speak on her experiences or relate nor compare our past abuse, I wanted to make sure I at least educated myself with the full context of this talk instead of just the 2 minute clip, and it indeed changes at least for me proper perspective of where this general authority is coming from. He is trying to address a sensitive subject, I will say pretty vaguely, I read the talk online just so I could properly follow along, as someone who hasn’t experienced or understand the complexities of abuse will not get the full picture. Even he said to talk to your bishop, instead of bringing up an example or explaining in further detail, which is pretty vague and can easily be misunderstood if it wasn’t for full context. I’m curious how old this talk is, because I can definitely say the church culturally now is more open to talk about these topics as the rest of the world is too.
It's from the April General Conference in 1992
WHAT A BEAUTIFUL AND MUCH NEEDED TALK👌👌👌👌
The church has been complicit in covering up abuse in the name of protecting the name of the church. This talk makes me sick.