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How to identify the PC Pachanoi (Pachanot)... and is it really a San Pedro cactus?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ส.ค. 2024
- Here I take a look at the PC Pachanoi (also called Pachanot). How to identify it, and also is it really a Trichocereus Pachanoi or a different specie.
The 3 photos of the PC Pachanoi used in this video were taken by Forest & Kim Starr from Hawaii's Starr Environmental (www.starrenvironmental.com).
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If you are interested in buying pure, well identified San Pedro seeds and seedlings, as well as San Pedro relatives, please email me at: sanpedromastery@protonmail.com
If you have a question, I will only reply to questions about cultivation. Please no questions about the psychedelic properties of these cacti.
Make more about the different kinds of San Pedros and how to identify different looking hybrids and stuff! I have so much to learn
They're definitely active, it just takes a little more to get the same effect. They grow fast, and multiply like crazy, hence why they're predominant cultivar. They don't flower as much though
#lifesaver
@FilthyDank Wasteman the 11th And not to mention VERY inexpensive. Plus you don't feel as bad when you use it because it's not an heirloom pedro. Save the good trichs for growing and breeding, and the PCs for consumption
@FilthyDankWastemanFabuless Cheers! Need to share the knowledge
It's to help the business, it's a scam to get people to buy the more expensive cacti
@@BWTHHYBL.TITSOAK Is it though? We are trying to look for the favourable ratios of alkaloids, and unfavourable ratios are far more toxic.
PC HAS V-NOTCHES anybody who claims PC doesn’t have V notches doesn’t know what they’re talking about. You also call a peruvianus a “real pachanoi”
Your name make you words hard to beleave you just sound like a troll evin tho you are right
Its one of the faster growing, drought tolerant, frost tolerance, etc. Trichos. If you want to get into grafting on large stock, these are PERFECT. Esepcialy for mutants and more fragile cacti. Because they are so common, they are very cheap and easy to find!!
"Phew!" Just rushed to my recently purchased cutting and fortunately it shows all the hallmarks of a San Pedro.
I just did the same exact thing! 😁
This is definitely the most helpful video on this topic
Why hasn't anyone done the genetic sequencing on PC? We could easily settle the debate about whether it's like a bridgesii hybrid or it's own separate species, or whatever it really is.
No commercial interest
Ah, sure! Hold on, let me get my polymerase chain reaction machine and my sequencer. We wouldn’t want Storm Evans to not have a definitive answer to his random internet debates, now would we?
@@randomprojectsxyz was it commercial interest that sequenced various psilocybe species of mushroom?
I love all your content. It’s very informative and I have learned so much. I’m a new grower and this is my favorite TH-cam channel. Thank you for all your hard work producing these videos.
To those unfortunate souls that have mistakenly acquired PC, all is not lost. While the PC do in fact contain a significantly alkaloid concentration, they can certainly reach the quality of true pachanois. So it is in your best interest to potentiate. To do this you will need to harvest double the initial amount it would require for a regular session. In my experience, this usually ranges from 2 to 2.5 feet of san pedro. Next comes stressing your cuttings. One can do this by poking the cactus with a sterilized needle (to minimize chance of any foreign debris) and then placing the cuttings in a freezer. Don't overdo this and leave your cacti a ravaged monstrosity. Just do enough to where you simulate a wild san pedro receiving some knicks from critters which would make it ramp up efforts for defense - in this case increasing effects. I would leave it overnight, let thaw (not fully though but just to where it begins to soften up again), and then repeat again the next night. The next step would depend on if you're looking to consume simply by smoothie or by tea (boiling). I have yet to try the tea method but the process of boiling adds another stress effect. I must note that i have had much success with the standard blended method. Oh and like real estate dealers stress - LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION. Environmental factors play a key role in determining the final product's alk concentration. Give great care to your plants folks. Godspeed!
How can you stress it if it's dead from being frozen, it doesn't make sense.
Cacti can last a while in the freezer. One night won’t kill it. It merely “shocks” the cactus and it will go into self perseveration mode, sort of like hibernation.
@@Hackified yes, the 2x the length is pretty accurate. Also cook the everloving snot out of it. PC's are really tough, and that can be part of the issue.
@@originalguckfoogle of course its all bullshit
in order for you to prove that (which you cant) you would have to do an extraction with and without stress. They used to say if you plunged pot plants roots in boiling water or not give them water before harvest or cut the stalk open and put a rock in the opening and all this other silly stress stuff. It just doesn't work that way!
Wow, what a master class. We have learned so much from you San Pedro Mastery I want to thank you for your service in the cactus community. Thank you so much my dear friend ~+🌵
Incredibly illuminating and informative video. Thank you for clearing this up for me. Shed light on some experiences I've had in the past, or lack thereof...
any good seed sources are welcome, your vids are good, thanks for your efforts
Jerry! Love the info you are giving to the public. I've had Trichocereus Pachanoi, (or so i thought) for 45 yrs!!! Now i know it's a dull clone, hybridized or acclimatized, both, and changing it's structures. Many organisms change fast in cultivation when acclimatizing for decades to environments, from foxes to the white agaricus. Having acquired Britton and Rose long ago "the Cactaceae" , i re- read the t. Pachanoi descriptions and one glared out at me. Your other descriptions are there except for the flat side view of ribs edge. Britton- Rose catalog technical description said "Deep horizontal depression above the areole" 😂 Never noticed, and got fooled like most!! However Britton-Rose did not describe the similar, but deeper V on Bridgesii! In a rush those guys...
Trying to look for some true San Pedro in America is tough. Only a few now are offering non PC Pachanoi, and sold out. I think it began with your warning that we have a single boring clone across the land. Current pics from American non PC strains for sale don't show the details of the V indentation above the areole, or flat edge of the ribs, or color. They're playing around. "Unavailable" too, sold "out". Fuzzy pics, no details. Great! They are dancing around not telling it like it is.
Incidentally my old PC shows only very faint V above very few of the newer areoles, and contains the alkaloid, as it has a bitter taste. Like your father, i love growing those indigenous power plants because of their ancient history as sacrament.
My search is still on for the Real Trichocereus Pachanoi. I may try to get them from you as i trust little these locals.😂
Yeah what's up Jerry? I live in Southern California big props to San Pedro Mastery for this video!
Thanks Brandon! So-Cal rocks, you have terrific weather for growing san pedro!
I got a San Pedro 15 years ago from a guy who had them for 25 years The first one I had is dead now but I have many beautiful offspring Thanks for your video now I know I need another pure San Pedro genetic to get seeds 🙏
more great well articulated info! thanks heaps. tempted for some seeds now ;)
This is very eye-opening. Thank you!
I’ve watched this video like 5 times. Such an informative video! Thank you man!
Ahhh.. why you want to hate on the PC?? It’s a beautiful plant. Looks very similar to my landfill pach. ((PC for life 🌵💕))
Why do they call it "landfill", do you know?
@@timhitt9541 anyone can feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe some large stands of the Landfill Pachanoi clone were literally found in a landfill
@@timhitt9541 it was taken from a mother plant that was found on the roadside near a landfill and traded online. Often clones are named for the location they were found or the grower that introduced them.
Why hate? Because we're looking for the REAL thing not a fake
Let squares be squares.
Square pride!
I grow all my SPs from seeds so i have just about everything BUT a PC. Home Depots, Lowes etc. around here never carry San Pedros of any type and rarely carry anything other than a moon cactus. And I don't use my cacti recreationally, I just love raising them. Never had any of them flower (yet), would love to see that happen!
I had some flower during the heat wave, they are small and pink.
I wish I could get some cuttings to speed my garden up. I only have a handful of seedlings. But people want a arm and leg for cuttings. Over the next few years as I build my garden up I know it's going to take awhile which is why I want to plant some larger tip pieces. I'm not going charge people a arm and a leg and honestly give some people some cuttings for the price of shipping.
Fantastic content! A lot of interesting details! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Great video, thank you
A large number of collectible clones have come from US collections. Don't expect to find them at Home Depot, but a modicum of research and you can find whatever you need. PC is like a weed here for sure but there are plenty of good genetics among growers too, just hard to compete with mass market garden centers.
i thought he said keemstar and i was like ew, don't give that creep shout outs. but I'm glad it was just my ears deceiving me.
Dude sweet I remember asking for this 😂
Thanks for the info!
thanks for the video! mine came from the north of Argentina (where i live) im pretty sure it is pachanoi since this is the mother land of pachanois along with peru and bolivia
From what I've heard, the PC clone is just a North American thing. It's probably not very common in South America, if it exists at all. Here in Europe, I have yet to see one.
Same I got it harvested in Arizona USA and I can tell it's the right one that grows here
awesome vid just found your channel thanks for sharing
Thank you very much for sharing
How can a single clone spread so much, i'm impressed. I wonder if here in Mexico we have the same PC, you can find them around in gardens and plazas as an ornamental.
It would be interesting to know which kind is the most common in Mexico. If anyone knows, please chime in!
Fr I just harvested sum San Pedro at my landscaping job from Rich ppls yards lol and the video is showing the ones I harvested here in Arizona looks like the real deal and will try it soon to find out but I'm definitely sure we grow the real deal around here lol
It spread because it is drought tolerant and grows like crazy in the U.S. Southwest. It was cloned by nurseries and disseminated.
From Catus Kate. The story is she got this from the university and it originally came from Peru. There was a separation of a partnership and this plant was cloned a lot and sold commercially to nursery big box stores etc. It is active according to the sourse. So keep growing and learning. Enjoy your gardens and remember to love one another ❤️.
It's all around northern mexico
Wondering - at what age do these differences can be observed. Lost the ID tags for Peruvian torch and SP and guessing - how to succesfully identify the 3 and 5 inch seedlings. Any idea?
Also PC means Predominant Cultivar
Excellent information! I’m growing a cactus garden and really enjoyed this channel!
What is this cactus in my yard?
I'm maybe more confused now. My thornless one have a segull shaped line between the thorns. I was told thats is a good indication. I have thorned ones so called torch where the line is straight between the thorns. It think it's a peruvian torch.
At about what age would a seedling reveal itself as being a true T. pachanoi...or is it only possible to determine once it is mature?
You don't get it. The fake ones are ONLY cuttings. The small stuff grown from seed is the real deal, UNLESS it's a real one accidentally pollinated by a fake (and there's a good chance in North America unless done properly). Apparently the fake IS STILL psychoactive but only half the strength.
Ipersonally have 3 very different clones of "pachanoi", all acquired within the US
lots of wonderful seed in usa
( Misplant)
🌵💯👍great info!
Why seeds from Europe and not the US?
I am honored to say that I am growing true Pachanoi. Do you know how I know that? I bought seeds from San Pedro Mastery! I have been growing them for 1 year now and they are only about 1 inch tall!
Hello thanks for the great videos .. i have what looks like a san pedro or torch cactus i cannot identify i was wondering if there is a way i can send you a photo or video of it ..
Hi! Please email me a photo and I'll take a look. Thanks
thanks to you what is your email
@@slyboyhanne sanpedromastery@protonmail.com
@@sanpedromastery6262 ppp
So now I'm not sure if my San Pedro is real and I'm in Australia
Well only three things can happen , throw up and get high , throw up and be sober or throw up and die , I recommend give it a try .
How did you go
@@dvtv4629 dunno chooks ate it before I did
@@magepn9530 I just check mine out.. It's only a foot tall but looks like the pc
Hi mate,
Do you have any tips for upon receiving a large cactus that you want to start a family of, what would be the best way to do so?
I.e cutting straight away smaller pieces for pup growth?
Cool video, friend! But, I find these plants to be just as pretty and interesting as any other plant of this genus, I get you're selling your seeds and such (I'd love to grow some off yours BTW), please just be careful not to spread unnacurate info.
'PC' clones are awesome plants to grow, they're beautiful, they're awesome rootstocks for grafting, pretty flowers, and are fast growers, I got absolutely nothing against this or any plant at all.
They ARE very popular, not unpopular, and this is not only my own opinion. The fact that they took all over north america (and who knows where else?) is the living proof that they're probably actually the most popular plant of its genus, independent of which species it actually belongs to.
Those rugged plants can take anything from wet rainy climates to very dry or high altitude weather.
Its a great plant for noobs, so its a no brainer, and it should remain an eternal classic on peoples gardens for all these reasons. 🌵
Hi san pedro mastery, can i send u some images form my san pedro cactus to know ir Its a real one or not? Ive bought mine in a on-line store in Brazil a fez years ago and ive got a bit confuse now with this video
Can i Sent u zwo Fotos of my cacti and u Tell me what species they are ? Pls
I like Ur Channel and very intresting Videos
Like your videos, any good trichocereus peruvianus id websites? i've a small trich peruvianus i grew from seed and i after watching your videos i am not sure of its genetics...
Try the Corroboree forum, or one of the san pedro groups on reddit or facebook. True Trich. Peruvianus seeds are hard to find, very often you get Cuzcoensis or something entirely different (I got Pachanoi more than once).
So true, I've never seen a Pachanoi with fruit around here, the flower just dries
How can seeds be fertile if unpolonated?
I bought my San pedro plants, cuttings and seeds from online plant shops in Germany and Holland. So I should have real San pedros not clones no? I live in Malta and the climate here is cactus heaven. And thanks a million for making a channel dedicated to my favorite cactus and plant.
If it’s from Germany and Holland, it’s extremely unlikely to be PC Pachanoi. However, there’s no guarantee the plants will grow to be san pedro, especially if open pollinated without pollination bag, which is pretty much the norm. Thanks for watching! :)
@@sanpedromastery6262 do you know a website we’re I could get real San Pedro it’s hard hard out here in North America
You rock Jerry!
what is the V shape you're talkin about?
Is pure pachanoi the cactus that has mescaline in it ?
I bought a few San Pedro from a woman she said the original cactus she started with is over 40 years old. They have four ribs and a beautiful blue green complexion. I can't find any information about four ribbed San Pedro.
Peruvian torch maybe
I've read that 4 ribs are the most valued by shamans.
Just got Trichocereus pachanoi "santaensis" wuallac Ancash Peru off Ebay but is it pachanoi or not anyone as I looked it up and am very confused lol
Love your video's, they are very helpful.
I have a question, I obtained some T.Bridgesi x T.Validus. Are they rare? or just one of the many cross experiments that went nowhere? Have been growing for many years, has not flowered yet. ;(
So if i buy a pachanoi in Europa i is more possible that this is a not PC pachanoi
can i emai you pictures of one? it looks like this. has 7 ribs. small spines, clusters of 2-6. also has fuzz under the flower. and has small fuzz balls
ghe hairs are black/grey
I have ordered my San pedro from a reliable source and they are on the way. However, I was at the garden section today and picked up what I believe to be san pedro, but it has no name. There's 3 of them about 6 inches high. One has 5 ribs the other two have 6 ribs. The only thing is, it has long thorns and most I have seen do not. Each areola has a flying V shape above it and it has a bluish ting to the stem.
@desert weasel 69 do you know a website we’re I could get real San Pedro it’s hard hard out here in North America
@@mell5428 sorry I forgot. You can actually purchase from the guy in the video I believe.
@@mell5428 did you find a good place to get the real SP? I really want to try
Long thorns often means Bridgesii
@@HeyHeyHarmonicaLuke
Or Peruvianus
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So to stay away from PC, should I buy Bredgsii or Peruvian torch?
I dont want to waste money if PC is not very potent whatsoever.
If anyone has an experienced opinion please share.
Go to www.mallachtsplants.com/collections/cactus and get a t -patch (LER) they are fantastic and not PC. I just bought 10 and I could not be happier.
The mesc and alkaloids in them really work. Just try eating it or making a smoothie lol.
stone man You don’t care about the core of the cactus. The only thing you should be after is the very thin dark green layer just under the waxy outside coating. Maybe only 3 centimeters. 2 feet of San Pedro should only equate to a cereal bowl’s worth of green goop. This blended, and strained, is not too hard to stomach. The taste is the worst part. Which you can bypass by making capsules or even Jell-O shots. Get creative.
@@Hackified or make tea. It worked for me. I had my first experience with some gnarly old PC.
What’s the diff between an Echinopsis Pachanoi and a trichocereus Pachanoi?
Time....
Smooth Cat what do you mean?
The two genera were merged a while back. 'Trichocereus' is still used a lot to refer to the large columnar Echinopsis species, or to the 'sacred' representatives of Echinopsis, but it's no longer valid for taxonomy.
The science was wrong?
So Do you think PC or pachanot has any medicinal value? and also do you think the alkaloid concentrations could be strengthened by stressing the cuttings such as putting it in a dark place for several months etc? very sad as I spent $180 on 9 feet of san pedro cuttings to find out they are pc from your video... was hoping to have a healing ceremony from these plants but wondering if its even worth the trouble.
Sorry, I do not answer questions about the consumption of these plants, just the cultivation. It is good to know what the PC looks like before buying any San Pedro, which is why I made this video… but in your case, I’m sorry that you found out too late. There are some sellers that sell the PC as “PC Pachanoi” or “PC San Pedro”, mentioning it is a great plant for grafting, which is the way to go.
But you mentioned alkalloid concentration in your video has lower alkalloid concentration in your video... Contradicting?
@@halozgodz1 On a video about the PC I had to mention the reasons why it is unpopular. For collectors and botanists, it’s the fact it’s so common and they are looking for something than looks different; for those who consume it, it’s the lower concentration of alkaloids. I won’t discuss it further, because my area of knowledge is the cultivation of san pedro, not its consumption/ preparation. Also, having a youtube channel, I am in the public eye, and I would not feel comfortable talking about topics that may conflict with local laws where I live. Hope you understand, I did not mean to be rude avoiding your question. :)
It still works great bet yer ass
I have a cactus from Cabos San Lucas I cut it off from a wild cactus not in a store. I think it might be it, its spine is long about an inch, a dark grey spine, seven pints on it side, a reddish tip on top of cactus, no v on top, just red color.
Without photo, no-one will be able to tell for sure. If you want, you can send me a photo at sanpedromastery@protonmail.com and I'll let you know what I think.
This is a scam invented by the cacti company
trichocereus riomizquensis is what PC actually is.
Uhhh they do not offer pachanois anywhere I have seen in the USA. And I have checked in multiple different states
where can I get the real SP cuttings here in the US? I'd seriously appreciate a response
F*ck you police GET OUT of here
Some say echinopsis pachanoi, some say trichocereus pachanoi. What is the right name????
The "official" name is now echinopsis pachanoi. But all of the san pedro fans still call it trichocereus pachanoi, and will continue doing so.
Do u have Reddit? What’s your username? Make more videos I’m waiting patiently! :)
I love the pc one way better
Are you in the states?
I have to disagree I have been to cusco and the cactus I get from Arizona that would be considered p c is just as good as the cactus i have had in peru You are just promoting your own product keep it real
Exactly, this is a scam to get people to buy the more expensive cacti
agreed pc- prefured culivar the proof is in the tea bottom line is the tea and i have been to peru and they used pc and it was great
Bummer I guess the SanPedro I bought at a grocery store is the Pachanot!
He wants all the PC for himself.
I believe I have seen the real Pachanoi growing in my neighborhood in Los Angeles... Do they grow in the wild out in Cali... Is the environment of southern California suitable to Pachanoi?
Yes the So-Cal environment is suitable, but no I don't think you'll find them in the wild. If you do find one in the wild, great find! But most likely it will be another species of columnar cactus, non-Trichocereus.
Ok, now I'm extremely pissed.
Pretty sure this is false:/
PC for sure has V shaped notches as they mature great vid otherwise
I prepared 1 pound cutting of pc expecting it to not be strong at all and it ended up putting me on my ass
I don't know about all this I have tons of different types of this cacti and the PC stories seems way silly
Are the pc still worth harvesting?
In Australia there's heaps of "pc" pachanoi
Interesting. I have seen indeed various images of PC in Australia... but I've never been to Australia in person (I hate long plane trips), so I didn't know how widespread it is over there. But you do have plenty of other fascinating Tricho species and strains in Australia, from what I've seen on the net.
Shroomsta I live in Australia and just bought a pachanoi the guy that sold it to me assured me i would trip of it but That’s not enough to stop me worrying, hope it’s not pc
@@stonedape8437 even if it is you will trip don't worry, it's just a tendency to have low alkaloid profile, I bought 80cm of PC Pedro and used 60cm to make a tea..tripped for 19 hours
@@stonedape8437 just to be in the safe side maybe double the dose...if your keen to take the risk
Gabriel. F thank I was half way through making the tea when my friends psycho mum tipped it down the sink😭
Broski hook me up with some good San Pedro seeds.
He only accepts crypto lol
It's probably not really a pachanoi, it's not really inactive either.
Has un video del fruto , fruit
Vale, haré un video del fruto la proxima vez que tenga frutos, en unos meses.
@@sanpedromastery6262 si amigo pues el mio lo polinice y me dio fruto , el caso es que todos los tou tuber me dicen que no da fruto por que es ornamental ......que tiene que ver que sea ornamental......si los como tienen mescalina ....saludos desde island canary
Idk man. I used it for brew and it works just not winning any potency awards.
Bro you say 99% of our SP is pc and is not active but supposedly in Europe is a non pc
The cactus comes from our part of the world we have the climate and genetics
Pachanoi pachamama
Damn, I think I have a PC. 😡
Ha! That sucks.🤣
It's all good. PCs aren't inactive like this guy says or extremely weak
@@miskgkdlss I only said that because all I have are pc's.😁😁😁😁🌵🌵🤯
@@miskgkdlss could someone trip with a pc pachanoi?
@@jeffc2346 Absolutely 👌
30 inches
I got my from misplant
instructif... par contre en anglais on dit "DNA", pas "ADN" x)
They have no spines
So the seeds i got from south America aren't legit but yours are, OK
Hahaha buy a western plant from Europe? We have non pc here...and we are way closer to Peru than Europe get them from there.
a PC Pachanoi will never be as blueish as a real pachanoi?
Fuck it. Oh well
Este man no sabe lo que dice
His accent is so damn sexy