I did. Just wanted to say I just found your channel I’ve watched 2 or 3 videos and I enjoyed it. 2.2k videos that’s a crazy amount of time and effort invested. Hope you’re having fun and that it pays off for you as it would seem it’s something passionate about. Good job.
Man, i played hs for 3-4 years, yesh i did a lot of breaks, but i hadnt find ur channel until today, i think im returning to the hearthstone, maybe to the classic or wild, cause i dont have enough money to play the normal mode. Your videos are so good, i hate TH-cam algorithm to not showing me ur channel before
I loved this card. It really increased the skillgap and made me really happy when I envisioned something and got the perfect card I wanted. Its really sad to think about that this card was so difficult to make and took so many years to develope and it just rotates out like every other card to be player by basically no one.
Zephrys is able to offer area of effect and single-target removal cards based on the attack and health of enemy minions, whether or not enemy minions will significantly reduce in stats if silenced, and whether enemy minions have Reborn[32] or Deathrattle[32] effects. Thats from wiki. So I suppose he doesnt see silencing as the option, unless you need silence 1 card with existing effects, so he can give you Earthshock ps/ yep, thats what they said a couple rows after Also, Zephrys does not offer Mass Dispel for a bunch of non-threatening enemy Deathrattle minions, such as a field of Leper Gnomes,[46][47] because Zephrys does not read card text and does not consider them worthy of being silenced.
@@greenbeans4989 everyone has to be there at the the same day so so we are going going back to the to the beach like we we are doing well well with the the same time and I think we can go back back home home and then go back back home again to to to church with us at the same same church church in in a few weeks weeks to get get a free job at the school of of the school year and the same same time we got in a a school and then get the school school year old old school and and I don’t don’t know how much much
The next evolution of this would be a card with artificial intelligence that could play the game for you. If you don't know what to do, let the card play for a bit until you come up with a strategy then swap back in.
When I was watching your "Best designed card" I just had to give it to Zephrys. Sure it's not simple, but everything described in this video is my reasoning. He's single handedly made good or even great decks, but never OP ones. He could be played by any player of any skill level and they'd have done something good (when he worked) but was pushed to the limits by high skill players. He was adaptable and able to be used outside of the context of your original intent for him. And overall, just the most interesting card Hearthstone ever printed.
I'll never forget that one time, facing a rez priest, I had a solid board and 7 taunts for the opponent. I played it with 6 mana, so I expected a mass silence for 4 mana. Nope... I lost the game.
He still doesn't value silence correctly. I was also facing rez priest, but they only had one taunt. I had a 12 attack minion, and had lethal if only I could silence. Zeph offered me a nice Shadowflame. I still managed to make it work, but it would've been much easier with a silence.
I'm a little sad I missed out on Zephrys in standard. Took a few years off from the game. Apparently just long enough to miss his expansion release and his entire time in standard. Definitely gonna craft some wild decks with him though. Boy I tell ya, coming back after years was a trip. So many changes and new modes. Wild is super intimidating 😅 Wish there was a good guide for returning players. I only ever seem to find tutorials for total noobs or videos that expect you to know lots of cards that came out during my absence. I need a good Wild deck crafting tips/guide if anyone knows a good one.
Yep I love this card not because of how smart it is. But because of how smart the player has to be to know how smart it will be. Because Zephyrys can't account for information that isn't freely available you have to setup a scenario that forces him to give you at least 1 good option and in theory if everything works perfectly that's just such a rewarding mini game (though when the card bugs it's hella annoying :D). The fact that it's discover is also great. If it was just 1 card then Zephyris would probably have to be so computationally complicated that it couldn't be played. This way they can check a ton of stuff, but ultimately stop at that 90% data set that takes 10% of the time.
If you think about it, it's easy to understand why Zephrys isn't machine learning: if his card pool was always updated, machine learning would be the way to go. Hundreds of lines of code for each new set of cards just isn't feasible and would probably even affect performance. But Zephrys' card pool is relatively "small" and never-changing, so it wasn't really necessary a more sophisticated approach. With this being said, I can also understand why he still amounts to hundreds of code lines :D No set of 3 cards you discover are locked, that alone makes means more lines of code. The amount of scenarios the program has to consider is proof of dedication of Hearthstone's team. A really fun card you indeed can't have in a real-world card game, at least in such a practical manner.
Shifting scroll in a physical card game wouldn't be annoying in the slightest. At the start of the turn opponent shuffles and reveals top of their hand. It's just few seconds.
My god how i miss this card, I think i have almost exclusively played highlander decks ever since he came out. And after he was gone i felt something is missing from hearthstone :(
I really loved Zephrys .. my favourite HS card oat .. but he annoyed me at one part: I really enjoyed playing Druid at that time and there i always wanted to play Lucentbark .. but the existence of Zephrys killed that deck ( and probably other fun decks too ) because the opponent could just wait to get Mass Dispel with it and completly rek your strategy or well just win the game.
If the united in Stormwind quests were to become core, then Zephrys could get purified shard? I mean the quest won’t get into the core set and Zephrys wouldn’t be allowed to get that card but what if…..
they need to make a game mode where both players have the hero power "2 mana: You do not take damage from having no cards in deck. Remove your deck from the game. Add a Zephrys to your hand"
After you said on averege a card is around 11 lines of code, and zephrys is 1000 the only thing comes to my mind is probably a bunch of if statements :D Knowing how buggy their game is most of the time, it makes a perfect sense. Bunch of interns and junior devs made this card.
I wonder if the Tombs of Terror treasure works differently, because it has offered me Tirion Fordring as a choice every time without fail. Is he *that* good?
Tbh, as a software developer I am impressed that it is "only" 1000 lines of Code, of course in comparison it is a lot, but having all this decision logic in this amount of Code is kind of baffling.
Bruh like I don't even play Hearthstone, heck, I don't even play card games (i just know the basics), but this card is just fucking nuts. It's a goddamn code WONDER
Me currently seeing it in the wild, it has never done me any harm. People always play it and then keep the card for the next game. I guess it really does require skill.
Zephrys. When it was released I didn't like it. I wanted it to be the R&D card from magic (Basically look into your real world collection of cards, or whatever, pick any card you wish, and add it to the hand. It's niche, but it was a key component in my Door to Nothingness deck (Alternative Win condition)).
Cause the "no duplicates" rule will usually keep him out of a lot of popular decks. (Though he is still occasionally found in a deck w/ duplicates; usually ones w/ a lot of card draw where you're getting rid of most of your deck anyway, making it still possible to play him in the late game).
Zephrys doesn't give perfect card right now cause he doesn't have cards from new expansions(for example he doesn't gonna give you druid ramp for 4 mana that gains you 2 empty mana crystals which is actually pretty powerful)
Its actually insane how bad blizzards resource managment is. Instead of hiring people to actually make the game decent again they use most of the money to develop 1 card that isnt even viable anymore because the game is still way too fast.
Wouldn't zephy be extremely simple to replicate ish irl? It could just state pick a card from the game, any card, add to your hand. Zephy in hs is pretty dang stupid, I've lost so much due to him missing lethal
A recent example of zephys stupidity was a recent duel match. I was mage with the infinite arcane card, had zephy in hand but duplicates in my deck. My opponent had 5 hp and would take 4dmg from fatigue next turn. If I destroyed my deck with infinite arcane I would have exactly the mana for zephy. I thought, it's okay he will give me 0mana deal 1 dmg. Nope, fireball, brawl or flamestrike. I was dead on board next turn. So yeah, not that smart
1:40 True, but is a massive bitch of a card to balance, because with even the minimal change it needs to be tuned, and new cards need to be added to his pool (in cased where a basic card is change for another, of course) which means a lot more of code to care about. And seeing how the card already fail quite a bunch of times because of his weird code, I guess other cards games won't even try to do that. Hell, I'm even surprised Blizzard, knowing how massively lazy is, still tries to balance him. It reminds me too much to how horribly bugged Viego and Sylas are in LoL, yikes... As you said, is the impossible card. The card that should never exist in any game and that they shouldn't print again, ever.
@@djsanders4813 exactly, thats why its shit. but if you'd be actually able to call any card (and in a real world game that would be the only way to design this card) - it would be so much better and it would NEVER fail
@@cla2008 I-what? Are you like not understanding or something? Zephyrs the card, be it irl or digital, pools from only the basic and classic set, not EVERY set. The perfect card in which he can wish for is limited to a specific pool, and trying to change that to add every card in the game would be changing the card completely. It is no longer Zephyrs in that regard.
This video has a really promising start. I thought you were going to take a deeper look at the problematic elements zeph brought to the game. As a long time fan of your stream, I've seen you get frustrated and complain about it yourself on more than one occasion. This video, in order to be honest, should have take at least a more nuanced position on the card. Hope this is helpful constructive criticism. Again, coming from a fan.
@@Emperorhirohito19272 don't make me laugh bro. It can give you tempo , card draw , board clear , lethal and most of the times to have to pick one of the 3 choices that do the same thing . There is no skill .
@@darthnick1516 the skill is knowing when to play him and what he’ll give you before they show up. You are just showing you don’t know how to play zeph optimally
@@Emperorhirohito19272 if we go like this every card in the game you need to know when to play , you must be rly dumb to not know when to play it . I have lost so many games at legend by some bad players that make mistakes and get saved by this card .
I can remember Zephrys failing me by trying to give me lethal by giving my Ragnaros windfury...
Zephrys probably thought that by giving Ragnaros windfury, he will shoot two fireballs. XD Imagine if that was an interaction.
@@tamaszsombortolvaj7517 That'd be awesome! XD
@@tamaszsombortolvaj7517 Definitely not. Zephrys can't read card text, so he simply thought that Rag is gonna attack twice
Yeah, allways fail. Because he can't read cards texts. xD
@@tamaszsombortolvaj7517 It is if you play drakkari enchanter!
Hope you're enjoyed the video!
I did. Just wanted to say I just found your channel I’ve watched 2 or 3 videos and I enjoyed it. 2.2k videos that’s a crazy amount of time and effort invested. Hope you’re having fun and that it pays off for you as it would seem it’s something passionate about.
Good job.
Man, i played hs for 3-4 years, yesh i did a lot of breaks, but i hadnt find ur channel until today, i think im returning to the hearthstone, maybe to the classic or wild, cause i dont have enough money to play the normal mode. Your videos are so good, i hate TH-cam algorithm to not showing me ur channel before
I loved this card. It really increased the skillgap and made me really happy when I envisioned something and got the perfect card I wanted. Its really sad to think about that this card was so difficult to make and took so many years to develope and it just rotates out like every other card to be player by basically no one.
The timing of this video, I was playing Tavern Brawl for this week that has Zephrys mechanic with the whole wishes
Oh wow! Didn’t even know
Yeah zephrys was supposed to be the best card. Except when he can't give you a mass dispell to win a game
Storytime?
Zephrys is able to offer area of effect and single-target removal cards based on the attack and health of enemy minions, whether or not enemy minions will significantly reduce in stats if silenced, and whether enemy minions have Reborn[32] or Deathrattle[32] effects.
Thats from wiki.
So I suppose he doesnt see silencing as the option, unless you need silence 1 card with existing effects, so he can give you Earthshock
ps/ yep, thats what they said a couple rows after
Also, Zephrys does not offer Mass Dispel for a bunch of non-threatening enemy Deathrattle minions, such as a field of Leper Gnomes,[46][47] because Zephrys does not read card text and does not consider them worthy of being silenced.
Zephrys was a game saver/ender. Such a good meta card at the time.
Also, props for the Slay the Spire Clip
I used Zephrys to wish for the perfect video and here it is. Love the updated editing style (also what are you going to have for dinner? )
This is one of the best all time comments I’ve ever read
@@greenbeans4989 lmao same here
@@greenbeans4989 everyone has to be there at the the same day so so we are going going back to the to the beach like we we are doing well well with the the same time and I think we can go back back home home and then go back back home again to to to church with us at the same same church church in in a few weeks weeks to get get a free job at the school of of the school year and the same same time we got in a a school and then get the school school year old old school and and I don’t don’t know how much much
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The moment I saw what zephrys did, I as a developer immediately knew how much work that probably took.
Zephyrys is interesting card as it's something that can be applied to digital card game only. More of this please!
Zephrys has 1000+ lines of code
His lines:
if ... else - repeat 1000 times
The next evolution of this would be a card with artificial intelligence that could play the game for you. If you don't know what to do, let the card play for a bit until you come up with a strategy then swap back in.
When I was watching your "Best designed card" I just had to give it to Zephrys. Sure it's not simple, but everything described in this video is my reasoning. He's single handedly made good or even great decks, but never OP ones. He could be played by any player of any skill level and they'd have done something good (when he worked) but was pushed to the limits by high skill players. He was adaptable and able to be used outside of the context of your original intent for him. And overall, just the most interesting card Hearthstone ever printed.
I love your vid's! I mostly play bg's but I also like watching standard hearthstone content.
2:40 “how do we know what perfect cards ARRGH”. Unexpected pun made me laugh
I'll never forget that one time, facing a rez priest, I had a solid board and 7 taunts for the opponent. I played it with 6 mana, so I expected a mass silence for 4 mana. Nope... I lost the game.
Storytime?
He still doesn't value silence correctly. I was also facing rez priest, but they only had one taunt. I had a 12 attack minion, and had lethal if only I could silence. Zeph offered me a nice Shadowflame. I still managed to make it work, but it would've been much easier with a silence.
Haven't watched yet but shudderwock or yogg would be so impossible in real card games lol
i made myself a physical hearthstone game and made a workable yogg in it
zephrys too but i tweaked his effect a little
@@Treety26 does it have all the sets, lol
Great video! I always wondered how Zephrys worked.
I'm a little sad I missed out on Zephrys in standard. Took a few years off from the game. Apparently just long enough to miss his expansion release and his entire time in standard. Definitely gonna craft some wild decks with him though. Boy I tell ya, coming back after years was a trip. So many changes and new modes. Wild is super intimidating 😅
Wish there was a good guide for returning players. I only ever seem to find tutorials for total noobs or videos that expect you to know lots of cards that came out during my absence. I need a good Wild deck crafting tips/guide if anyone knows a good one.
@@AlexFord I bet you don't have this emoji ♥️
@@lazaromborrego3915 what?
@@lazaromborrego3915 I don’t get it.
@@AlexFord i bet you don't have this emoji ♥️
Yep I love this card not because of how smart it is. But because of how smart the player has to be to know how smart it will be. Because Zephyrys can't account for information that isn't freely available you have to setup a scenario that forces him to give you at least 1 good option and in theory if everything works perfectly that's just such a rewarding mini game (though when the card bugs it's hella annoying :D). The fact that it's discover is also great. If it was just 1 card then Zephyris would probably have to be so computationally complicated that it couldn't be played. This way they can check a ton of stuff, but ultimately stop at that 90% data set that takes 10% of the time.
Zeph is my favourite card right after Jan'alai
I agree, incredibly cool card. And a very good video (as per usual) to go along with it. Thanks! :)
If you think about it, it's easy to understand why Zephrys isn't machine learning: if his card pool was always updated, machine learning would be the way to go. Hundreds of lines of code for each new set of cards just isn't feasible and would probably even affect performance. But Zephrys' card pool is relatively "small" and never-changing, so it wasn't really necessary a more sophisticated approach. With this being said, I can also understand why he still amounts to hundreds of code lines :D No set of 3 cards you discover are locked, that alone makes means more lines of code. The amount of scenarios the program has to consider is proof of dedication of Hearthstone's team. A really fun card you indeed can't have in a real-world card game, at least in such a practical manner.
You should do a video where you rate the set based on the flavored text
Mabye as a collab?
Shifting scroll in a physical card game wouldn't be annoying in the slightest. At the start of the turn opponent shuffles and reveals top of their hand. It's just few seconds.
Your editing is on point haha - nice Video :)
This card is the best idea ever. Every game shuold have a Zephrys. I d love to have a single Zephrys in my magic edh game
Calm down there champ, we already have 15 tutors.
@@DDFreddi kinda. Zephrys wuold give you a choice. It wuold be insane but I d love it
@@DDFreddi and it wuoldn t die to opposition agent xD btw i m not talking about cedh
Garth!
Seeing Zephrys again gives me mad nostalgia of a time when I used to play Hearthstone way more
The smarter then most players joke rly cracked me up 😂
Love all your little cut-aways!
A loved Zephrys. I wish he'd come back every now and then. He was incredibly fun.
We get Reno back this rotation.....Maybe next rotation he'll be back?
I mean they've put so much effort into it, it would be a shame if not. ;)
My god how i miss this card,
I think i have almost exclusively played highlander decks ever since he came out.
And after he was gone i felt something is missing from hearthstone :(
Never forget deleting warlock jaraxxus with the destroy a demon card.
Thanks zephrys
I really loved Zephrys .. my favourite HS card oat .. but he annoyed me at one part: I really enjoyed playing Druid at that time and there i always wanted to play Lucentbark .. but the existence of Zephrys killed that deck ( and probably other fun decks too ) because the opponent could just wait to get Mass Dispel with it and completly rek your strategy or well just win the game.
If the united in Stormwind quests were to become core, then Zephrys could get purified shard? I mean the quest won’t get into the core set and Zephrys wouldn’t be allowed to get that card but what if…..
they need to make a game mode where both players have the hero power "2 mana: You do not take damage from having no cards in deck. Remove your deck from the game. Add a Zephrys to your hand"
Great, great video.
Thx, have a nice day too.
I like your videos, but I miss when you would review the new cards. I really like to hear your point of view :)
After you said on averege a card is around 11 lines of code, and zephrys is 1000 the only thing comes to my mind is probably a bunch of if statements :D Knowing how buggy their game is most of the time, it makes a perfect sense. Bunch of interns and junior devs made this card.
Great video and topic 👍
I wonder when they'll make a second version of Zephrys.
Zephrys was the point where Hearthstone took a turn for the worse, and is arguably the biggest mistake ever introduced to the game
I wonder if the Tombs of Terror treasure works differently, because it has offered me Tirion Fordring as a choice every time without fail. Is he *that* good?
Zephyrs just considers him the best general 8 drop
Tbh, as a software developer I am impressed that it is "only" 1000 lines of Code, of course in comparison it is a lot, but having all this decision logic in this amount of Code is kind of baffling.
This is, indeed, the must fun card in a card game
Bruh like I don't even play Hearthstone, heck, I don't even play card games (i just know the basics), but this card is just fucking nuts. It's a goddamn code WONDER
Me currently seeing it in the wild, it has never done me any harm. People always play it and then keep the card for the next game. I guess it really does require skill.
Zephrys. When it was released I didn't like it. I wanted it to be the R&D card from magic (Basically look into your real world collection of cards, or whatever, pick any card you wish, and add it to the hand. It's niche, but it was a key component in my Door to Nothingness deck (Alternative Win condition)).
Your wish is my suggestion! 😏
Fantastic content, Rarran 💚
But why isn't Zephyrus in most of the decks?
Cause the "no duplicates" rule will usually keep him out of a lot of popular decks. (Though he is still occasionally found in a deck w/ duplicates; usually ones w/ a lot of card draw where you're getting rid of most of your deck anyway, making it still possible to play him in the late game).
I thought the video was about making a board that would make Zaphyres confused lol
He deserves the name the game changer
I'm surprised ptcgo and Pokemon had a little clip in here haha
So it's like Stockfish but for hearthstone
Zephrys is awesome, indeed.
Zephrys = Best card ever designed in any card game. ;)
So what happens when Zephrys and Yogg meet in a bar?
Zephrys doesn't give perfect card right now cause he doesn't have cards from new expansions(for example he doesn't gonna give you druid ramp for 4 mana that gains you 2 empty mana crystals which is actually pretty powerful)
He's always picked from classic cards, that never changed
question at the end might be perfect hand
Zephrys doesnt seem so crazy when you see chess AI
You could be able to look through all cards and pick one in real life
You can kind of do it irl
As a programmer i must say, 1k+ lines seems even little to me.
The guy who designed zephrys kind of looks like zephrys lol
all that code but he still can't evaluate mass dispel properly
Zephyrs is the greatest card of all time
FVCK! I missed the window when this guy was playable in standard NOOOOoooooooo......!!!! D:>
HE'S SO COOL!
Rarran, you doing alright? I'd love another state of the channel update, just want to know you're doing well.
Doing fine! Just trying to make better views that get more passive views, the daily videos were too much
Nbr knew most cards had 11 lines of code good to know
Its actually insane how bad blizzards resource managment is.
Instead of hiring people to actually make the game decent again they use most of the money to develop 1 card that isnt even viable anymore because the game is still way too fast.
Wouldn't zephy be extremely simple to replicate ish irl? It could just state pick a card from the game, any card, add to your hand. Zephy in hs is pretty dang stupid, I've lost so much due to him missing lethal
A recent example of zephys stupidity was a recent duel match. I was mage with the infinite arcane card, had zephy in hand but duplicates in my deck. My opponent had 5 hp and would take 4dmg from fatigue next turn. If I destroyed my deck with infinite arcane I would have exactly the mana for zephy. I thought, it's okay he will give me 0mana deal 1 dmg. Nope, fireball, brawl or flamestrike. I was dead on board next turn. So yeah, not that smart
1:40 True, but is a massive bitch of a card to balance, because with even the minimal change it needs to be tuned, and new cards need to be added to his pool (in cased where a basic card is change for another, of course) which means a lot more of code to care about. And seeing how the card already fail quite a bunch of times because of his weird code, I guess other cards games won't even try to do that. Hell, I'm even surprised Blizzard, knowing how massively lazy is, still tries to balance him.
It reminds me too much to how horribly bugged Viego and Sylas are in LoL, yikes... As you said, is the impossible card. The card that should never exist in any game and that they shouldn't print again, ever.
So today we didn't look fantastic. I guess that's our turn to say that you look fantastic, lol.
so they basically made a chess engine but for hearthstone all just so that this card would work
p good
I miss my Zepy boy...
hope to see him in this year's core set
Saying it would be possible in every digital card game and then showing YGO Master Duels feels unfair to me somehow
like your cut G. lookin fresh
So essentially blizzard has created the greatest card in card game history.
Crop?
Holy smjte o. Cannon
Great idea, still fails to give you the best card in some circustances
zephyrs is so much easier in real life. you play it, you call the cards name, you get it. it would be 1000000% better than zephyrs
You do lose the luxury of a machine doing the thinking for you and finding the solution in under a second
@@zalanmarkus4939 who cares. zephyrus knows like 1000 cards. any decent human player would know a lot more
@@cla2008 Uh no, that's not how Zephyrs works. He picks from a limited card pool, not just any card in the game.
@@djsanders4813 exactly, thats why its shit. but if you'd be actually able to call any card (and in a real world game that would be the only way to design this card) - it would be so much better and it would NEVER fail
@@cla2008 I-what? Are you like not understanding or something? Zephyrs the card, be it irl or digital, pools from only the basic and classic set, not EVERY set. The perfect card in which he can wish for is limited to a specific pool, and trying to change that to add every card in the game would be changing the card completely. It is no longer Zephyrs in that regard.
Engagement?
This video has a really promising start. I thought you were going to take a deeper look at the problematic elements zeph brought to the game. As a long time fan of your stream, I've seen you get frustrated and complain about it yourself on more than one occasion. This video, in order to be honest, should have take at least a more nuanced position on the card. Hope this is helpful constructive criticism. Again, coming from a fan.
I always wished Zephrys would have used machine learning to calculate the best card.
I wouldn't be surprised if we get a new one with machine learning equipped someday.
Zephyrs drag all the development, and let other improvements with lag kkkk
broooo....
you missed the perfect pun
and i wish you all a perfect day
still hated this card and this archetype.
Deck size lol
the perfect card is elon musk's credit card
Remember playing tons of Higlander decks the time Zephrys was in Standar, how I miss the old Zeph.
Never gives me the credit card, 0/10
I hate this card so much. Just a cheat card to punish good play on the opponents part.
Nah that was just another card that enabled bad players to make mistakes and win the game ,it didnt take any skill to use.
Zephyrs takes a lot of skill to use optimally
@@Emperorhirohito19272 don't make me laugh bro. It can give you tempo , card draw , board clear , lethal and most of the times to have to pick one of the 3 choices that do the same thing . There is no skill .
@@darthnick1516 the skill is knowing when to play him and what he’ll give you before they show up. You are just showing you don’t know how to play zeph optimally
@@Emperorhirohito19272 if we go like this every card in the game you need to know when to play , you must be rly dumb to not know when to play it . I have lost so many games at legend by some bad players that make mistakes and get saved by this card .
@@darthnick1516 do you have some kind of filtered sunglasses on that render the word OPTIMALLY invisible to you?