How Multi-Power works. Part 2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ธ.ค. 2021
- The second part of the How Multi-Power works series where we cover how the control circuit works when you move from high to low and back to high when you discover that it runs awaaaay on hills.
And for those with short attention spans, there's a lot of talking and no car chases, explosions or footage of tractors running, makeup tips, gaming tutorials or any of that crap so if that's what floats your boat, please go elsewhere and find some.
Yes I know the camera work is shaky, and no it doesn't make you feel unwell you whiny snowflake. I may re-shoot part of it when I work out how to steady my video potato but until then, watch it or don't watch it. The choice is yours. I don't really care either way. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
It blows my mind that they designed that in the 1950s. Great videos! I had to re-watch this one.
Thank you!
Brilliant video, your clear explanation on how the Multi power works is the best I've seen so far. I have rebuilt a MF165 recently the reason for the rebuild was that the multipower pump was removed by some clown. Now I'll be following your videos on how you rebuild or show how things are. Your part of a great group ie Lord Muck, George Sander and yourself.
Glad you are enjoying it. Thanks for watching.
Like you have displayed, it's important to understand how it works so you can properly repair. Well done
I'll go over the overrun clutch next time. thanks for watching.
Thanks for taking the time to do these videos. Very enjoyable and very informative
Thanks for watching.
One great thing with multipower is that it's really easy to shift without clutch on low. You just roll through gears without clutch and after H3 turn multipower on.
That's true. Thanks for watching.
In condizioni normali di marcia è bene utilizzare il Multi Power in posizione high.
Tuttavia facendo riferimento al mio 188 avendo una terza molto lunga rispetto alla seconda, in lunghi tratti di salita si può utilizzare anche in posizione low.
A macchina ferma si consiglia di tenerlo sempre in posizione low, che lavorando il circuito in bassa pressione si riduce l' usura dei componenti.
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You are 100% correct, that is exactly how to use multi power.
I worked on the farm with my dad during school holidays and we had use of a 1967 165 Multi Power and a 1973 168 Multi Power, I didn't really know how MP worked but the majority of the time was spent in high as we wanted engine braking. Good insight into the box o' magic that is Multi Power!
Good to hear you are enjoying it. Thanks for watching.
Brilliant video really appreciate your explanation of how MP works 👍
Thanks for watching, hope you find it useful.
MF's multi power, Ford's Dual Power, International's Torque Converter and John Deere's High-low were not the only ones of the same concept. In Switzerland, Bührer started in 1955 with a two-speed power shift with a five-speed standard transmission behind and produced it well into the sixties. This transmission called triplex was produced well into the sixties, when it was succeeded by the Tractospeed transmission. Fiat also had a two-speed power shift in its 531R (freewheeling in low) and then in model 615 it had an extra wet clutch and was not freewheeling in low. Also the tractors produced by Fortschritt in the German Democratic Republic had a two-speed powershift somewhat similar to Fiat's version.
That's very interesting. Thank you for sharing.
I believe that you overlooked the Zetor Crystals that had a very well made torque amplifier that was simple to repair and was capable of tow start and engine braking in both ranges Many’s the kid had scary moments on Masseys with failed high me 2
Very interresting stuff love those old tractors
Thanks for dropping by. Got quite a bit of material lined up.
excellent video as always Clarence , my neighbour used to have a 135 multi power when i was a lad and she really was a rocket on the road compared to anything else at the time , he had some very steep ground and i remember having a baptism of fire on it one day when i was ploughing , uphill in low multi great … turned at the top of the field to go back down and she took off like a badger on a bypass , thank god i had the wherewithal to drop the plough or else i was a goner , always had a debate with guys regarding weather you should clutch while changing from low to high especially during road work hauling silage or something . love the channel , great content , more please . big love from Ireland .
Thanks for watching
Fantastic video thanks for your time to explain this system.
Glad you are enjoying it. Another part next week I hope.
great video. Having just bought a 135 with Multi-Power this is very informative. I will look forward to next weeks video
Just trying to show that multi power is nothing to be afraid of.
Love it chief brilliant explanation
Thanks for watching.
Excellent video, thank you for explaining, and great channel, just discovered it a couple of weeks ago
Glad to have you along. Thanks for watching.
Brilliant very interesting nice to understand how the gearboxes actually work. Great vid Fud👍
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching.
Excellent description. Best I've seen. Thank you. In the 70s my father had a MF 175 that would randomly drop out of high multipower and you were stuck in low. Not great place to be on the road with a heavy load or rotavating when you could get pushed by the implement.
Well that's a problem we can look at in the next video. Thanks for watching.
More knowledge. Making me wish my 240 had been equipped with it, it sounds super useful.
It was very useful. Thanks for watching.
Thanks so much for this video. My older brother had one for years that even dealership service could not get to function for more than a few hours or less. He gave up on fix and uses it as is. Interested in troubleshooting steps coming up.
Cheers & Happy New Year.
Glad it has helped. Thanks for watching.
We have a MF 165 and the Multi-Power was great for hauling bales pulling a New Holland 1032 but the hydraulic system failed several times and now we don't use it anymore. Always wanted to somehow repair it myself but never the time. Before, It had been taken to a repair facility both times and both times it failed again for a cost of thousands of dollars. Maybe the shops didn't know what they were doing. The first time it had failed, the mechanic working on it moved on and another had to pick up the pieces. Other thing we didn't like was there is no way to pull start this tractor unlike conventional gearboxes.
I'll explain why it won't pull start in the next multi power video. Thanks for watching.
Great explanation Ty👍 always wondered exactly how it works 🤔 only thing I remember from way back when the pack on my 595 went was it cost £900 whether it did or not don't know 🙄😂 good video again 👍
Glad you are enjoying it. I would imagine that most of that 900 was labour. it's a cab off job for a 500 series and the 595 different from other members of the range,
Great video and way of describing it. We bought a second 165 with multi power. It stopped working suddenly and my dad got a guy to but in a 3 speed standard it was never the same tractor.
Pity, it only takes about 40 minutes to strip a multi power gearbox right out, not a lot more work than putting a three speed in. Thanks for watching
Fair play good explanation . I didn't know how it works till now . A lot of thought went into it . I can now see way there's no engine braking in low cause of the over run gear needed to make it operate it in high drive .... fords dual power was an epicyclic unit .
That's correct. Thanks for watching.
Good stuff Clarence and Kurt, very well explained Sir👌👍🙂
I am glad you have enjoyed it. Thanks for watching.
Excellent video again 👍
Thank you for watching. How are you getting on with the Kubota. I have a friend who runs them, he loves them.
I thought that that the Mulipower in high was an extra higher gear and the low Multipower was the standard speed, I had no idea Low was a lower ratio as well, so a Massey Ferguson 135 Mutipower in top gear, 'third' in low Multipower should be slower than a 3 speed gear box without MultiPower? The Multipower clutch system looks similar to a motorbike clutchtoo. There is a bloke up in Northern Queensland Australia who is doing up 2 Massey Ferguson 135s, one with MultiPower and the other without it, he also reconditioned the Multipower system, his channel is called Bundy Bear's Shed.
Thanks for watching. Yes, 3rd low multi-power is slightly slower than 3rd in a conventional gearbox. Thanks for watching.
Great video once again.
The way low multi-power is supposed to be used sounds similar on how and when to use a diff lock, use it only when you need to and then disengage it.
From a mechanical point of view its quite simple in its operation as long as the oil pressure stays up and the clutch unit is good i cant see many other things to go wrong with it, but i`m sure you`ll point them out for us in the next one.
There isn't a whole lot to go wrong, mostly just wear. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the clear explanation.
Thanks for watching. Part three will be up soon.
Thanks for filling me in on Multi Power mate, have driven a lot of Massys with it, but now I have a very good idea what the hell was going on in their gearboxes 😁👍👍
Thanks for watching. I hope it's useful for you.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel Your content along with Muckers and George are right up my street mate,wish I knew you all well enough to drop in and give you a hand and a cuppa.🤔😃😃
many thanks...very informative
Thanks for watching
Good explaination of MP operation. Looks like it will need the full works ( both shafts, MP housing, cast rings MP clutch plates, seals etc) to stop that one leaking !!!. Seen too many in my time. Will you cover hyd. press/flow in the next vid?
I'll give it a full rebuild probably. The parts are not that expensive.
New subscriber first tractor is a Multi power 178. I use it run a Hiab through a pto pump on the pick up assembly and very much enjoyed the last 2 episode about to watch the 3rd. P.S. how difficult is it to turn into 4wd.
Aussie Jeff Moore
With enough parts from a silver top 4wd 590 or 575 you could make it 4wd, but it's a lot of work, unfortunately the 178 didn't have the gearbox spacer like the other super specs, it had the extra centimetres in front of the engine, so you could end up with a very long tractor. Cow Farmer Dan has one though, it's lovely.
Thanks for watching
Informative! Thanks for the break down Sir! One question... At 3:13 (thru 3:47) in the video I noticed an angled line on the casting mount for the upper left gear assembly. Just wasn't sure if it was a crack in the casting, (I certainly hope not), but I thought I'd mention it. Hopefully it is something else. Can't wait until part 3! Thanks, and Stay Safe!!!
It's not a crack, just a parting line in the casting. Thanks for watching.
So far so good, I'm just about keeping up! roll on the next instalment.
Glad you are enjoying it. Thanks for watching.
Excellent 👋👋👋
Thank you
Interesting incorporation of an automatic transmission clutch pack to..... is your flow chart from a Massey Fergeson manual?
I think that one came from some training material I had 40 years ago!
Thanks for watching.
That diagram implies a direct connection between input and top shafts, not true. Needs some Tippex!@@ClarenceFudWeasel
Clarence, I think you should think of some clever name or statement to put on a magnetic sign you can sneak in and cover the Ford name on Lord Muck’s tractor.
I'll work on that 😁. Thanks for watching.
Power Synchron is an underdrive. My old 2140 is still going strong but it did need Hi-Lo and PTO clutch packs at 5500 hours. Its on 11,000 hours now and been on much lighter work since I sold it at 9800 hours.
I do love a 2140 is yours SGII? Thanks for watching.
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Yes. Sold it to a near neighbour about 9 years ago and he keeps it in great condition. Up until 2021 he just used it on a twin rotor rake for his contracting business but last year he just took it to a local vintage show or two. It worked very hard over the years, mowing thousands of acres with Kidd Clipper 8ft mowco’s and carting about 800 acres or so of silage, swapping 8 ton trailers in the field.
I was told that if you drive with the multi power in low for long periods you can damage the gearbox so it’s recommended to flick into high multi power every once in a while is this true?
Certainly is true. The input shaft assembly, bearings and clutch pack depend on oil flowing through them for lubrication and cooling when the spool valve is in High. When it is in low the oil flow stops and the clutch plates can overheat, and the bearings wear. We'll go into more detail in the next video. Thanks for watching.
There were different sincro range transmissions some ran faster some ran slower or at least the 10 and 20 series were that way
I want ask you a question please .
I have MF 175 I will set multipower on it but my field in a mountain environment many rocks in land .
will the device be damaged mean the multipower ?
You are unlikely to damage it under normal use.
works olmost exactly the same so far as the Oliver hydral-shift
That's interesting, I have never worked on Olivers. Do you have any more information? Thanks for watching.
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Haven't a clue!
Just looked on tractor data and it seems to be a true splitter so low is slightly slower than a non syncron and high is slightly higher than a non syncron.
Thanks for checking
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In you're explanation of going to low multi power up hill while foraging you didn't explain the same scenario for down hill but you'd have to come down a whole gear. That's my problem with multi power and it's flaw. Other than that it's a great system.
Hi Clarence cheers from Australia, love the detailed approach you take in the videos mate. I have a 135 non multi power, this is very interesting though.
So when the multipower is in high, what disengages low where it meets the countershaft?
Watch the next video and all will be revealed 🙂. Thanks for watching.
Is there an interesting story about the Fud Weasel name❓❓
Sadly not. Thanks for watching. 🙂
Power syncron is underdrive on a 30k gearbox and overdrive on a 40k isn't it?
I own a JD 3350 with a 30k box. LO is direct HI is overdrive. JD 3650 is other way round as far as I know...
Was it necessary to compensate the Mucker for the video appearance🙈🙈🙊🙊🔧🔧❓❓
No, he just couldn't run fast enough to hide from me. 😁
He had to pay me a cup of tea and an egg pie
I kept the sausage roll for myself.
Multi power is an overdrive whereas Dual power is an under drive. The problem with Multi power is no engine braking on low, whereas with the Dual power you have got engine braking on high and low. Ford got that right.
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Power syncron is similar to dual power
Thanks. I have never had one apart.
Multi Power is van MF, Ford gebruikte Dual Power.
Ieder merk had zijn eigen benaming.
De Dual Power van Ford is eigenlijk de voorloper van de dubbele koppeling. De Dual Power had twee oliebekrachtige koppelingen.
Geen oliedruk was er ook geen overbrenging, de meeste andere merken hadden die constructie niet.
Geen oliedruk, was er wel een overbrenging mogelijk.
De Dual Power wordt nu veel ingebouwd bij terkkertrek, nu gebruikt men een ECU die de vultijden kan aansturen, er ontstaat nu een schakeling zonder onderbreking van de aandrijflijn.
Vreemd blijft nog steeds dat Ford koos voor de Dual Power, ze hadden de Select O Speed al, de eerste Full Powershift sinds ongeveer 1956.
Ik heb geen idee waarom Select-O-Speed niet aansloeg. Toen hij correct was afgesteld en bediend door iemand die wist waar hij voor was, was het een zeer goede transmissie. Misschien was het te geavanceerd voor zijn tijd?
Bedankt voor het kijken.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel ik denk het laatste de tijd was er nog niet rijp voor, zie je wel vaker met technieken die nu pas toegepast worden en al ontwikkeld waren.
The john deere power syncron is an under drive
Thanks for watching.
Jd,Ford, IH all ubderdrive
Thanks!
So by that we can assume that direct drive (Hi Power Syncron) is the one under pressure as the lever drops to Low (Lo Power Syncron) once the engine is turned off.
@@LordMuck IH is similar to multi power with two constant mesh gear sets, high (direct) is pressurised, low (on the back of TA unit) is driven by a sprag bearing with drive plates in Belleville spring tension to give engine braking, these springs are released by the hydraulically actuated high side,allowing the low gear set to turn freely on the input shaft, a bit like a bike doing 25mph and you peddling at 20mph, always though power syncron was hydraulic both sides but never had one apart
@@bufferbridge looks like we need to dig a bit further ! 👍
@@LordMuck you'll certainly dig if it's a Deere, cab off,split at clutch, split front section from backend, then take most of the internals out to get to high/low unit, whoever designed it that way needs to enter a bollick kicking competition and go second!
activate arabic translate please !!
I have checked through my options and I don't have any way to add Arabic translations at the moment. I will keep working on it and hopefully get it working soon.