T34 is coming along nicely, good to see someone trying to explain how to proper weather (or not weather) your vehicles! Lot's of useful info shared Michael, thanks for that, take care and keep up the good work my friend.
Great topic on weathering and chipping. All of your older examples look too cool to be concerned with exacting accuracy but agree with the pursuit of historical representation. There is always a freedom with fictitious vehicle subjects. Lots of non friendly paint elements in a war zone environment that can cause chipping even in a short amount of time. I believe the current trends have been influenced by the figure painting techniques that often exaggerate paint effects that are not realistic but are more artistic. I do build some armour. A 1/35 RFM Sherman E8 with interior done as if rolled out of the factory for a test run on a dusty road. With David Parker's Super King book I have been working slowly on a 1/16 Trumpeter King Tiger. Corrected/added some of the missing detail to the kit but plan on something different. It will be built in metallics. Interior lighting with l.e d.s. With a few pieces needing made the two turret types from the kit will be interchangeable.
@@CoensScaleModelling Ordered the Superking paperback, May 30, 2022 from Amazon for $76.90 CND. It is a remarkable book and I just had to own a copy. Watched, 'Kelly's Heroes' for the 40th ? time.. maybe 50th. Far from trusting movies to be historically accurate like the phoney Tiger 1s. The condition of the vehicles is reasonably convincing. The scene with cowboy in the half track parked inside the barn told to take it out into the rain: 'We've been polishing these things up for two days. Now if we take them out there in that rain, they're gonna rust up on us.' and of course, Oddball: I'm like, don't let the dirt and the rust hang you up. We like to give the impression we just out of action badly in need of rest and reorganization. That way nobody bugs us.' Convenient way to explain the condition of borrowed thirty plus year old Yugoslavian Shermans for the film. As you pointed out, Mike. It applied to the vehicles in the movie. They are stained and occasionally muddy/dusty from dirt roads.
Hollywood wouldn’t know what history was, if it jumped up and bit it on the arse. hahaha after watching silly movies like saving Ryan’s privates, and fury… I almost gave up on hollywoods abilities to make them. ah well, they’re entertainment, not his lessons
@@CoensScaleModelling Watched fury once and will never again. Killing Ryan's privates for me was the scene with the P-51Ds at the end. We can only fall back to our uninformed but happy childhood memories of watching inaccurate films from the past to remember how they were part of the inspiration to learn more and get into scale modelling. Dunkirk, the Christopher Nolan film has the outstanding arial sequences that I cannot find fault with so it is possible to recreate events or scenarios that smart people like us can accept. A recent restoration of a Bf109-G6 fighter relied on scale modellers to achieve accuracy with the painting and markings as there was not another source with as much information.
@@SEMJW I don't know anywhere near enough about aircraft specifics of WWII to say if something is accurate or not. Though, I did like Dunkirk. That's really interesting information about that B17... the same can be said for the tanks at teh Bovingtion Tank Museum. David ... the curator, is a scale modeller. A pretty decent one. So, research and understanding facts is definitely in his play book hahaha
I'm with you on the over-weathering. All these obsessive chippers and rustoholics need to get a model garbage truck or a tractor so they can crap on it to their hearts content. Mind you - at the other end of the spectrum you get some very clinical types who make their models (mostly planes, I've noticed) so pristine that they just don't look real at all. That Budzijk (? literally no idea how to spell that) guy is a bit like that - he's an incredible craftsman but his models look like models. I don't understand how someone can be so brilliant when it comes to creating proper scale canopy frames, but who refuses to add the 'in scale' details you get from subtle weathering. Each to his own I suppose.
maybe you’re on to something… someone should run out an entire line of garbage truck and construction vehicle kits, then they can leave us armour guys alone hahahaha. I have no idea how to spell his name either, nor do I know what his work looks like. I know who you’re talking about, but I don’t follow his work. Sounds like I’m not missing anything haha
@@CoensScaleModelling He does very occasional youtube videos (Scale Model Workshop)- and to be fair, he is an incredible model maker....mind you, he has so much hardcore equipment - real lathes and vacuum formers and all sorts. I don't think he's ever just cut a little length of plastic rod without knowing exactly how long it is - "that'll do" is not in his vocabulary. One thing I agree with him on is that he says rivets on planes are out of scale. But while he fills them in or sands them off, I think it's one of those things where you have to have something there or you lose that realism.
I try to keep things simple, and achievable by other people. so his style of modelling probably isn’t something that would interest me… or a lot of folks. I’m sure he has a following, details are definitely important in scale representation, but sometimes it’s possible to take it … into the beyond hahaha
@@CoensScaleModelling Yeah. while I appreciate all his tips and techniques - it's not something the average modeller has the time or budget to emulate. Like you say - you can take things too far sometimes.
Thank you fucking GOD !!!! No I’m not calling you GOD here Mr C I mean thank you for someone properly explaining weathering on WWII vehicles!!! As you know I was in the RAF and although our vehicles/aircraft where oldish… aircraft would be one to two years old but our vehicles some where years old and none of them had chips or rust on them we’d have been strung up for letting our vehicles/ aircraft look like that and I know the Germans were almost to the point of stupidity the same way ie keeping their vehicles in tip top condition. Yes the might get dirty with bombs exploding near by throwing goodness knows what into the air and landing on them 🥴🥴🥴 I worked on Harriers and we’d be in woods on exercises ( sneaky hovering bastards ) so our equipment used to get covered in all sorts of crap but a broom would soon clear off most crap so ye I heartily agree with your ideas on our modelling ideas at the moment that is to bash the living daylights out of our models 😳😳😳 I’m actually scared to show my models as I do very little damage to them, shell hits are different but rust, dents etc no because most of there vehicles were not around for that long, a year at the most in regards to armour, maybe a bit longer for trucks and half tracks etc anyway I’m waffling on so… thank you very much for explaining this FAD everyone’s going through and how wrong it is !!! Only people being impressed are the greedy bastards pumping out all the so called wonder products 🥵🥵🥵 oh and if anyone’s reading this Mr C has many how to’s on making all these wonder products for peanuts so give them a look… you’ll learn something AND save a bloody fortune… trust me I have 😁😁😁😁😁😁👍👍👍👍👍👍
@ sorry for the absence Mr C. Loosing my friend hit me hard plus I got a new toy to play with… Nikon D850 camera. So been busy learning how to use that 😳🙄🤪 but colder weathers setting in so I will get back to my bench soon and catch up on all I’ve been missing out on. You tell it truthfully… modelling, you always have that’s why I respect you so much. Plus your “How To’s” I reckon the money I’ve saved from your tips bought me my D850 camera well over £2,000 I kid you not my dear friend 😁😁😁 now that might sound an exaggeration but at £6 a pop for a wash, same for pigments it soon adds up I can tell you 🥴😅 I know you hate being told how kind you are but in the 8 or 9 years I’ve been following you you’ve never once led me wrong, you’ve never mugged me off with a stupid question you’ve just been you helpful, respectful, knowledgeable and a good friend so… I owe you a lot my friend and then some 😅😅😅 so THANK YOU for being YOU !!!
Thank you Mike for the shout out
T34 is coming along nicely, good to see someone trying to explain how to proper weather (or not weather) your vehicles! Lot's of useful info shared Michael, thanks for that, take care and keep up the good work my friend.
glad to be of service
Great topic on weathering and chipping.
All of your older examples look too cool to be concerned with exacting accuracy but agree with the pursuit of historical representation.
There is always a freedom with fictitious vehicle subjects.
Lots of non friendly paint elements in a war zone environment that can cause chipping even in a short amount of time.
I believe the current trends have been influenced by the figure painting techniques that often exaggerate paint effects that are not realistic but are more artistic.
I do build some armour. A 1/35 RFM Sherman E8 with interior done as if rolled out of the factory for a test run on a dusty road.
With David Parker's Super King book I have been working slowly on a 1/16 Trumpeter King Tiger. Corrected/added some of the missing detail to the kit but plan on something different. It will be built in metallics. Interior lighting with l.e d.s.
With a few pieces needing made the two turret types from the kit will be interchangeable.
David Parker’s book is brilliant, no argument there, well outside my price zone though haha. Certainly a great bit of reference for interiors
@@CoensScaleModelling Ordered the Superking paperback, May 30, 2022 from Amazon for $76.90 CND.
It is a remarkable book and I just had to own a copy.
Watched, 'Kelly's Heroes' for the 40th ? time.. maybe 50th.
Far from trusting movies to be historically accurate like the phoney Tiger 1s. The condition of the vehicles is reasonably convincing.
The scene with cowboy in the half track parked inside the barn told to take it out into the rain: 'We've been polishing these things up for two days. Now if we take them out there in that rain, they're gonna rust up on us.'
and of course, Oddball: I'm like, don't let the dirt and the rust hang you up. We like to give the impression we just out of action badly in need of rest and reorganization. That way nobody bugs us.'
Convenient way to explain the condition of borrowed thirty plus year old Yugoslavian Shermans for the film.
As you pointed out, Mike. It applied to the vehicles in the movie. They are stained and occasionally muddy/dusty from dirt roads.
Hollywood wouldn’t know what history was, if it jumped up and bit it on the arse. hahaha after watching silly movies like saving Ryan’s privates, and fury… I almost gave up on hollywoods abilities to make them.
ah well, they’re entertainment, not his lessons
@@CoensScaleModelling Watched fury once and will never again. Killing Ryan's privates for me was the scene with
the P-51Ds at the end.
We can only fall back to our uninformed but happy childhood memories of watching inaccurate films from the past
to remember how they were part of the inspiration to learn more and get into scale modelling.
Dunkirk, the Christopher Nolan film has the outstanding arial sequences that I cannot find fault with so it is possible to recreate events or scenarios that smart people like us can accept.
A recent restoration of a Bf109-G6 fighter relied on scale modellers to achieve accuracy with the painting and markings as there was not another source with as much information.
@@SEMJW I don't know anywhere near enough about aircraft specifics of WWII to say if something is accurate or not. Though, I did like Dunkirk.
That's really interesting information about that B17... the same can be said for the tanks at teh Bovingtion Tank Museum. David ... the curator, is a scale modeller. A pretty decent one. So, research and understanding facts is definitely in his play book hahaha
I'm with you on the over-weathering. All these obsessive chippers and rustoholics need to get a model garbage truck or a tractor so they can crap on it to their hearts content.
Mind you - at the other end of the spectrum you get some very clinical types who make their models (mostly planes, I've noticed) so pristine that they just don't look real at all. That Budzijk (? literally no idea how to spell that) guy is a bit like that - he's an incredible craftsman but his models look like models. I don't understand how someone can be so brilliant when it comes to creating proper scale canopy frames, but who refuses to add the 'in scale' details you get from subtle weathering. Each to his own I suppose.
maybe you’re on to something… someone should run out an entire line of garbage truck and construction vehicle kits, then they can leave us armour guys alone
hahahaha.
I have no idea how to spell his name either, nor do I know what his work looks like. I know who you’re talking about, but I don’t follow his work. Sounds like I’m not missing anything haha
@@CoensScaleModelling
He does very occasional youtube videos (Scale Model Workshop)- and to be fair, he is an incredible model maker....mind you, he has so much hardcore equipment - real lathes and vacuum formers and all sorts. I don't think he's ever just cut a little length of plastic rod without knowing exactly how long it is - "that'll do" is not in his vocabulary.
One thing I agree with him on is that he says rivets on planes are out of scale. But while he fills them in or sands them off, I think it's one of those things where you have to have something there or you lose that realism.
I try to keep things simple, and achievable by other people. so his style of modelling probably isn’t something that would interest me… or a lot of folks.
I’m sure he has a following, details are definitely important in scale representation, but sometimes it’s possible to take it … into the beyond hahaha
@@CoensScaleModelling
Yeah. while I appreciate all his tips and techniques - it's not something the average modeller has the time or budget to emulate.
Like you say - you can take things too far sometimes.
Thank you fucking GOD !!!!
No I’m not calling you GOD here Mr C I mean thank you for someone properly explaining weathering on WWII vehicles!!! As you know I was in the RAF and although our vehicles/aircraft where oldish… aircraft would be one to two years old but our vehicles some where years old and none of them had chips or rust on them we’d have been strung up for letting our vehicles/ aircraft look like that and I know the Germans were almost to the point of stupidity the same way ie keeping their vehicles in tip top condition. Yes the might get dirty with bombs exploding near by throwing goodness knows what into the air and landing on them 🥴🥴🥴 I worked on Harriers and we’d be in woods on exercises ( sneaky hovering bastards ) so our equipment used to get covered in all sorts of crap but a broom would soon clear off most crap so ye I heartily agree with your ideas on our modelling ideas at the moment that is to bash the living daylights out of our models 😳😳😳 I’m actually scared to show my models as I do very little damage to them, shell hits are different but rust, dents etc no because most of there vehicles were not around for that long, a year at the most in regards to armour, maybe a bit longer for trucks and half tracks etc anyway I’m waffling on so… thank you very much for explaining this FAD everyone’s going through and how wrong it is !!! Only people being impressed are the greedy bastards pumping out all the so called wonder products 🥵🥵🥵 oh and if anyone’s reading this Mr C has many how to’s on making all these wonder products for peanuts so give them a look… you’ll learn something AND save a bloody fortune… trust me I have 😁😁😁😁😁😁👍👍👍👍👍👍
thanks Kenny
you’ve been missed buddy
@ sorry for the absence Mr C. Loosing my friend hit me hard plus I got a new toy to play with… Nikon D850 camera. So been busy learning how to use that 😳🙄🤪 but colder weathers setting in so I will get back to my bench soon and catch up on all I’ve been missing out on.
You tell it truthfully… modelling, you always have that’s why I respect you so much. Plus your “How To’s” I reckon the money I’ve saved from your tips bought me my D850 camera well over £2,000 I kid you not my dear friend 😁😁😁 now that might sound an exaggeration but at £6 a pop for a wash, same for pigments it soon adds up I can tell you 🥴😅 I know you hate being told how kind you are but in the 8 or 9 years I’ve been following you you’ve never once led me wrong, you’ve never mugged me off with a stupid question you’ve just been you helpful, respectful, knowledgeable and a good friend so… I owe you a lot my friend and then some 😅😅😅 so THANK YOU for being YOU !!!