Odin Origins 3: Jon Snow
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 พ.ค. 2021
- In the third of three videos explaining how the mythology of Odin and Yggdrasil heavily influenced ASOIAF, we'll dive into Jon Snow as the embodiment of Odin's berserk battle fury (for which Odin is named). I'll also show you how skinchanging, greenseeing, and northern culture in general comes fro mOdin mythology related to wolves, ravens, and bears.
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This would mean Grey-Wind's head being sewn onto Robb Stark's body in mockery of a fallen king is foreshadowing for Jon's merging with Ghost, ascending into demi-godhood. Robb can be the Lord of Winterfell but Jon will be Lord of Winter.
Robb's skull is currently moonlighting as the noggin of Ser Robert Strong. When Catelyn claims Robb's remains after the Red Wedding 2.0 (which will kind of suck, since Daven seemed alright, for a Lannister), she will need to use Grey Wind's head for Rob's, for lack of an alternative.
Which is to say, Robb Zombie will be a wolf-man. Or something. And something to do with the Ghost of High Heart, or something
I like it!
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I just loved this series on Odin , there is literally nothing like it on TH-cam , thank you
I agree wholeheartedly!! :-)
It’s friggin awesome I just need to watch the bran one now
It’s at a point where I want Jon to do all the things because the show shut him down so hard at the end . I need lightbringer in his hands, I need rhaegal as his steed, I’m talkin full wolfman personality, badass resurrection and revenge sequence, king of the north, a dozen legendary green knights for him to lead into the heart of winter, and a duel between he and the night king for the fate of mankind. I want the true shamanistic warrior who walks away from it all and wanders like a nomad when his work is finished.
yeah I mean why the F not
Jon going full-on berserker and accidentally killing someone makes more sense than Dany becoming a Mad Queen.
That's what Jon will probably do to Melisandre, Selyse, the Queen's Men and Night's Watchmen who betrayed him after his resurrection.
“You know nothing, Odin.”
“Would an eye change that?”
I expect post-resurrection Jon to behave like Odin after he lost his eye, going from "I know nothing" to "I know everything"!
My favourite part about Jon trying to kill Alliser in the books is that he was so damn quick, Thorne couldn't have stopped him. It was only his friends reacting fast enough and with all of them that stopped Jon. In the show they get him immediately, and despite that Thorne could have defended himself from his position.
Re: Jon's superstrength - did I miss mention of the scene when Jon lifts Alliser Thorne off the floor by the throat? From ASOS 2, quote: "My lord is wise." Ser Alliser seized Jon by the arm. Jon yanked away and grabbed the knight by the throat with such ferocity that he lifted him off the floor."
Apologies to LML if this was cited, I was tired from work listening to the pod cast, so I may have missed it, but I thought that one was quite significant, I find it incredible that there are folks out there still arguing that Jon is not Azor Ahai & isn't a Targaryen heir.
Another detail that is lost in the fandom, re: Jon's eventual resurrection - this will be Azhor Ahai's rebirth in "salt & smoke", I've noticed many fans confused about salt & smoke & where the salt will come from in Jon's resurrection. Well salt & smoke means "blood & fire", or, if you prefer, fire & blood. So in Targ parlance, it is Azhor Ahai will be reborn in fire & blood. Somewhere in the books, there is a reference for salt being a metaphor for blood, if anyone is really interested, I'll find exactly where that reference is. But I think that is significant, because it is not difficult to see how at the Wall, with what is going on there, how Jon will be resurrected in fire & blood.
awww man I totally forgot about that one! Great call, I'll mention it in the livestream this weekend :)
Jon is azor ahai but he's not a targaryen
@@joshuaushikanta9244 he's definitely rhaegars son, even if he's technically a sand
This. This is what I like to see after I get home from work. I'm ready for this
Craster has the same reaction as jon, when one of the garths calls him bastard. He jumps on the table yielding his new axe
Dude, you should write a book on all of these Mythological influences in ASOIAF. Your takes on it are refreshing and honestly you can just put all your research notes into some binding and I'd buy it!
thank you! I have a feeling it will happen at some point, perhaps when the series is done or after TWOW ❤️
Yes, do that!
I liked the video the instant you made the flapping birds with your hands. Love your work lml, cheers from Brazil
Lol glad I left that in then :)
Jon's hair going white would make him like Elric of Melnibone, but also like Simon of Memory, Sorrow & Thorn, or "Snowlock" as he is dubbed when a lock of his hair turns white. Simon also has dead parents (mom in childbirth), a dwarfish companion, a claim to the throne, has visions with birds and wolves, etc. All these likenesses are clearly deliberate on George Martin's part.
I like picturing post-resurrection Jon having his hair as a silver-blonde/ dark-brown mix and gaining heterochromia just like Tyrion and Shiera Seastar, having a Ice-Blue-Grey right eye and a Fire-Red-Purple left eye!
I’m not Garth’ed enough for this yet.. I’ll rewatch the Old Ones and return in a cloud of smoke (& salty snacks) 💨
Edit: Ok I’m back.. that was so awesome my dude!! Good work on all of these Norse videos 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
I still think that dark idea of Jon wearing Ghost’s fur as a cloak after he’s resurrected would be badass lol
I don’t want Ghost to be burnt in a fire by Mel.. But if he was sacrificed with LongClaw and his spirit goes into the sword during the ritual to bring back Jon.
Oh hold up that'd be a Sauron sword right there
Gosh I love comparing Jon to Odin. So much to consider. Love the dissolve in the beginning of the video.
So I noticed a couple things worth pointing out. 1) Draugr if you look up the etymology means deceiver. And if you look up the etymology of Dragon, it means serpent, of course, but in Greek, serpent means deceiver. So Draugr, meaning battle revenant is quite similar to Dragon. 2) Fun fact: Heimdallr, the original watcher on the wall, was "born of nine mothers, too. So, another case of the number nine. 3) This is from the show, but I always thought it was cool that Sansa stands in her black bird feather cloak on the battleground outside Winterfell choosing Ramsey as the slain. She says something like "You will die here, tonight" to him. And if something similar happens in the books, perhaps it will be fake Arya, Jeyne Pool, saying it to him, instead. Not that anyone wants Ramsey to wind up in Valhalla, but still an interesting parallel to Norse Myth. Lastly, I really enjoyed this one, or three actually. Good content. Can't wait for the Arya video.
A very interesting Video! My first Idea of Lady Stoneheart was actually that she is a reference to Hel, and the Brotherhood without Banners ar the "wilde Jagd" (the wild hunt), a concept about Hel and her companions riding through the stormy nights between Christmas and New Year.
And Brienne as a form of transitioning Frigga, as she is opposite of Hel.
Ok that’s interesting... I’ll have to look into that :)
@@DavidLightbringer please! I am totally clumsy on Northern mythology and the local variations. The closest version about Stoneheart in Folklore I found was Frau Percht, a woman with two faces, young and beautiful and a demonic version, benevolent and cruel in terms of her trials of whoever comes in her way.
Odin's ravens going out each morning makes me think of Arya bringing info to the House of Black and White. -Also lol to "astral projection insubstantiality pun"!
Also, Varys gets his info from his birds! :P
@@supermandmi Yes!
This was the most perfect kind of trip - my fav so far 🤩 The astral projection was a brilliant theme. 💫 I still see Jon as the Death card…
I don’t know much about Norse mythology, but just like with your Vedic origins video, you explain it all very simply and help me understand! Thank you!!!
Yesss what an amazing birthday gift! Thanks LmL haha
Happy Nameday!
You may already knw this, but on the off chance that you don't... The Tower of London's mated and breeding pair of ravens are named Huginn and Muninn
I can't remember the last time I got notified that you'd uploaded a video or went live, and I'm subscribed to receive all notifications.
Maybe your TH-cam app doesn’t have notis on? Otherwise you should
Fascinating stuff about Jon going berserk and fighting in a fury. Makes me think that after he will win the battle for the Dawn, people will be scared of him, and what he can do in a rage (possibly killing Dany?) and that's why he will go beyond the wall for his eternal ranging.
Thanks for doing this miniseries. Theres clearly alot going on here from George. Great work breaking down the wolf and bear subspirit identities from the Northmen. Excited to hear more about Arya as Valkyria too (Possibly Freja). Also yes I will (Weirwolf Jon).
God damnit, just realized the long winter is also a sign of Ragnarok. Norse mythology really does permeate ASOIAF. In LML relevant news, the norse fimbul winter is hypothesized to be a mythologised memory of a winter lasting several years brought on by ash thrown up by a volcano. How's that for ice and fire?
Poetic inspiration and battle fury? Sounds like Odinn would be a fan of mosh-pits.
Also, the Swedish word for wolf, varg, is actually a noa-name, i.e a word replacement used out of fear of the true name. It was believed that if you used its true name, ulv (which shares the same linguistic roots as the English word wolf) then the wolf would come for you.
Your videos are awesome LmL and it's amazing to find new meaning in all these myths and asoiaf.
Ulv is the same root as in Úlfhéðnar I’m guessing... and yes Odin would unquestionably be the good of mosh pits, he loves the chaos
Yeah, I would say that's most definitely the case. Ulf is actually a quite common male name in Swedish, along with its feminine counterpart Ylva.
The name Ulf, and many other given names with the -ulf element, show that this word was also seen as powerful and capable of bestowing good qualities in a person, not just dangerous. And there is no traditional human name Varg in Scandinavia. So varg can also be seen as an enemy, a bad wolf. The old Norse "vargr í veum", wolf in the sacred ground, was a name for the outlaw status.
I got an ad for Netflix's Lucifer for this video lol.
The perfect way to end my Friday!
Collaboration between LmL and Dr. Jackson Crawford, Old Norse Specialist? Just imagine the vibes. Þórr vigi
1620 on a Friday, perfect time to start this video!
This came out at the perfect time 👀
So... potentially Jon the wolf escaping the fetters of death could lead to the apocalyptic long night?
Huh... does ring a bell ;)
Especially if they chain his corpse somehow yeah!
@@DavidLightbringer now i'm just looking forward to twow even more...
@@DavidLightbringer waitttttttttttttt, so Jon is a version of Fenrir here ?The symbolism is adding up like that, the rage was an integral part of Fenrir the great wolf's personality and also the wolf had resentment for being chained like jon does(which is often not delved into) for being forced to join the nights watch. Please tell?
@@kubberjain1996 Not counting that Fenrir's resentment towards Odin for treating him as a monster reminds Jon's resentment towards Catelyn "Stoneheart" for treating him like if he was Ramsay because of Jon's "bastardy"!
Never clicked so fast!
You might enjoy looking into the mythos of Heimdalr, he's definitely sprinkled throughout the story & The Night's Watch as an organization is somewhat analogous to his character & part in Ragnarok/Norse Mythology. But he is also somewhat amalgamated with Odin into Bloodraven, Bran & especially John. ( He could see the furthest into time & space & was Loki's sworn enemy. He was The Watcher, The Guardian of The Rainbow Bridge & Asgard. He possessed a special sword, was born of 9 mothers, was also known as The White One &blew his horn to signal the beginning of Ragnarok, ) Definitely worth looking into :)
Sounds like a good topic for Sunday's stream!
This makes my weekend a lot happier
top tier as always
Excellent work, how it all fits, with Odin ... Bran and Jon. Perfect
Hello from Canada 🇨🇦 LML!🙋🏼♀️😀I’m a few streams behind but it’s ok, that stream was an excellent one, as usual, thanks 🙏🏻 for sharing and I will continue to watch all your videos because you’re good and super interesting and because I love the World of Ice 🧊 and Fire 🔥 a lot! Merci Beaucoup LML 😃😁😉😎
Right on! I got some good stuff waiting for you, the Heimdallr and ValkArya streams went really well :)
@@DavidLightbringer ,thanks LML for taking the time to reply to my message👍👍🙏🏻😉Have a good one!🇨🇦🙋🏼♀️😁
Thank you like always!
It's the perfect video for a Saturday morning late breakfast. Greetings from Germany and keep the good work up 😌
Please never apologize for reading long quotes. I love it!!!
Another Valyrian steel inspiration actually comes from the east (similar to the location of Valyria on Planetos), that being Damascus steel. The look of Valyrian steel was even inspired by this example (many folds in steel).
Oh for sure, that’s a given. I was taking that as a baseline assumption
If there’s any TH-camr who deserves more subscribers, it is you. Love your enlightening streams as well as your humorous hosting. Truly legendary🙌🏻
Re: the Crown of Winter - the Nine of Swords seems to have a lot to do with violent deception.
Oh DUH I shoulda thought of that!!! Red Wedding central! I’m honestly not sure at what point in the process Martin starts with one idea and notices the confluence with another, but he’s definitely good at weaving multiple influences together where those confluences do occur
@@DavidLightbringer like a lot of his symbolism, it’s probably two or three things tied together. But I thought that was interesting!
I've loved this series of Odin, just loved it.
Excellent stuff as always! Never a disappointment when LML starts connecting the dots.
Now THAT'S a beard!
These are by far one of the best series so far I love them sm !!
Great video is always
You should see Mr Wednesday's Odin speech in American gods, perfect representation
I have actually, his Odin is great!
Great Vid, LML! All this talk about Bloodraven's, ever watchful, ever observing, (with malice??) Red eye.. Well, I can't stop thinking of "The Eye of Sauron" now!. When You were discussing Bloodraven.. (and His one, Red eye). I think 8O/90% of the BR dialogue wouldn't of been out of place in an essay about Sauron. I've even reverted back to thinking Bloodraven is a wee marrionette (Well, 'ol BR Is made of wood) of the "Great Other.. again! :)
I mean I can’t rule out the more sinister Bloodraven theories even though I prefer he be what he seems. Can’t wait to find out!!
@@DavidLightbringer Perhaps it's Your energetic delivery style. You've got Me all hyped up about Bloodraven's motives :-). I do think He's holding onto huge secrets ( origin of the White Walker's, how the Stark's betrayed the North to the Andals, the Promised Prince, how His cave has a chunk of "moon meteor" inside it etc etc). I really want Bloodraven to be some cool tree Wizard, but He's sitting in a cave, littered with bones with shrooms growing on his bloody head, And He's feeding children.. Other Children (R.I.P Jojen)!! It's kinda difficult to see ol' Bloodraven in a good light..well, in Any light, at all really!! The Guy's as creepy as the Weirwood roots that have popped out His eye socket!! Wee, old Nan is never wrong- "All crow's are liar's" ...But He's an "ex" crow..and a (Blood) raven. .LML, You and Your theories have got Me all confused. Bloodraven's intentions are twisting My melon 😂
What a great series it's been. Obviously, there was a lot put into their creation. Enjoyed the ride, and learned a lot I didn't know along the way!
Thanks, David,
always looking forward to what's next. 👀
Been waiting for this one. Praise Garth.
8:16 Skyrim features Draugr. They are undead and have bright blue glowing eyes which is pretty spot on to ASOIAF wights.
I've been watching the animated series on Netflix, Castlevania lately. And when u mentioned white haired, red-eyed heroes, I remembered the son of Dracula, Alucard! He's half human, half vampire, with a magic sword and superstrength and speed! Also has to fight against his "urges", or bloodlust if u will. And tries not become like his father, etc. Son of the "Dragon"/‘the badguy’, fighting for humanity vs his own evil ancestor, evil creatures and the undead? Sounds a bit familiar, I feel! ;) (P.S: Been following u for years, and love your channel and content. Being a norwegian "viking", with finnish, sapmi and inuit roots, I love norse mythology and The song of ice and fire-books(and show)! And I especially like your take on it. Thanks for ADHD-stream too. Being a fellow "ADHD'er" I found it very interesting and enlightning. Particulary since I too was late diagnosed.)
Oh right on Daniel! Nice to meet you man. I’m guessing Castlevania drew from Elric, but who knows. But yeah ADHD family gather round... trying to grow a proper Viking beard over here, going well so far :)
@@DavidLightbringer Thanks! Nice to meet u too! I guess Elric probably inspired that? Just knew it as an old and ancient video game. :P And Elric from u, and GrayArea. Yes, from around the world! Supposedly ADHD made us explore the world! I bet a lot of Vikings probably had ADHD, too! ;) Yes, looks great! Always felt u could grow a great beard! Nice to see that u do! 👌😉 (Btw. If u wanna get in a Viking-beard growing mood, maybe listen to some Viking-inspired music? I recommend Wardruna w/ Voluspa, and Danheim w/Berserkir! Right here on TH-cam! Very shamanic and warrior-esque feeling, I think.) Great livestream last time! Just missed it! Looking forward to ValkArya! 🙌
Alucard's character design can go back and forth, depending on iteration; in some, he has platinum blond hair. In others, he has outright white hair (and in his earliest iterations, looks nothing like his post SOTN incarnations). Though never with red eyes, oddly enough. In any case, I'm sure Elric played a hand in inspiring Alucard's character design - though it does seem a bit trite to completely lay said character design at the feet of Elric of Melnibone. I'm sure European mythology contains its fair share of white-haired heroes if one looks hard enough. The same is probably true for other cultures as well.
Great video LML, I find this concept of anger as a “drug” very fascinating. I can tell you that I’ve seen people do damn near inhuman things in fits of rage, I think this cultivation of anger and adrenaline into a altered state is something that would be very powerful for somebody in battle or facing life threatening situations. Is this what you are talking about with this “berserker state”?
i think that's part of it, yes, has to be. I like the way you put that
@@DavidLightbringer thanks brother I’m gonna put one in the air and give this a ponder
Norse sagas say that berserkers could induce this state at will, so yes, at least the belief in cultivating anger was more or less common. What the actual practice was, we don't know exactly.
@@andrewbahlman7768 possibly. The medieval sources usually paint berserkers as little more than bullies though, sometimes faking blind rage. The evidence for earlier uses of this practice is mainly circumstantial. There might have been ritual aspects to it, and why not survivalist ones...
YAY! This was well worth the wait!
every time i watch one of your vids im absolutely amazed by your attention to detail and depth of analysis, every time i think you cant top it, and every time you blow me tf away!! have loved this odin series dude
Awww thanks Megan! I’m always trying to improve :)
You're freaking amazing, LML, as always 👏
shiiiit that intro got my hypeee
I think it's pretty cool how, even if one knows not a single thing of Odin or Norse mythology, one can still notice the symbolic importance of the one-eye symbolism running throughout the story. Before I even started reading the books or watching your channel I noticed how Tyrion, Jon, Bloodraven, etc. have one-eye symbolism and how this might pertain to their role in the endgame.
Good thing I've been making my way through the weirwood compendium at night so I feel like I'm turning up ready for class
Lol yes that’s like buying the professor’s book that you don’t have to but should lol
awesome video man, all the artwork was dope too!
I kinda like the idea that Jon snow create a new era heroes and legends in this alternate timeline , but the question is who will be His wife and mother of Thor also does it mean that this Loki would be a ice walker ?
In my honest opinion, I think his wife will be Sansa Stark. Not only her black attire in the show told me this, but the parallels in the book. I also believe that "Winterfell" or the North is a metaphor for the underworld.
Sansa's direwolf is dead but I think Sansa has been in and out of the weirwood net through her dead wolf Lady. "The bones remember."
Lady's bones is buried in Winterfell. Sansa is definitely Persephone and Jon Snow is Hades/Pluto.
Wait you're telling me Bugs Bunny lied to me about horned helms?!? 🤯🤯🥳
Just picked up a fresh sack of Garth to sacrifice after work, great timing LML lol
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Praise Garth
That beard is glorious
i love the one eyed king shirt, so damn appropriate
I enjoyed this so much. Great work David Lightbringer ❤️ Worth the wait
Great depth as always LmL
YAAAAS It's finally here
PERFECTYRION!
You're the man, Ser Dave Lightbringer, m'lord
Skål skål skål, år og fred
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This series is incredible! Great work lml 🙌
Have been waiting on this for a good minute. Thanks for the content brother!
The effort you've been putting into these really shows, man. Awesome series overall, I'm stoked about how much I've been learning about norse mythology. I've noticed you frequently reference your older videos and podcasts with ideas you've already presented.. one question: have you thought about creating some sort of index that one might use to easily find your older ideas? Might be too much work tho
Exactly, it’s not bad idea but too much work and the kind of work I don’t like to do, lol
Great series 😎 Jumping around the timeline of ASOIAF is standard, but having all the different LMLs from different time periods popping in at various points is next level, and kinda trippy. I’d be interested in watching a supercut of all the “added later” bits in order, and see the project grow and bloom like a blue rose in a wall of ice.
I’ve heard how hard you’ve been working on these. I love them and can’t wait for the next livestream!!
You’re content is seriously so awesome! Thank you for all your hard work!
BLOOD AND SOULS FOR MY LORD ARIOCH
hahaha ALWAYS ❤️🔥 He's a hungry demon boi
Running with a bit of an Elric aside - at one point, Elric is effectively dead, but his soul’s escaped his body (the Dremthief’s Daughter trilogy) and he is saved by his granddaughter (a younger family member) who has subtle magic, shape shifting, dream walking powers and deep wisdom and a character who is effectively a reincarnation/alternative universe self character who is a quiet, unassuming character with a hidden depth of steel and determination.
And how will Jon come back? Well.... Why not Bran (subtle magic, shape shifting, dream walking etc etc) and Sam (hidden depths of steel and determination, in many ways a mirror of Jon) working in tandem?
I want to believe that BloodRaven will help in Jon's resurrection instead of Bran or both Bran and BR will work together to resurrect Snowflake!
worth the wait! amazing video as always!
Thanks for the video. Fantastic as usual
What an excellent stream, thank you so much 🧙♂️
just dropping a like, i will watch tomorrow gotta watch the friends reunion with my hubby
Stay well!
Direwolves hadn't been seen south of the wall in some time when the Stark children found them. Do you think Bloodraven arranged for that to happen?
Gotta be, yeah
Really liked this one, I don't know why but the supernatural elements of Jon are awesome and a real stand out in the series for me.
There was also the scene where Jon flees the Wildlings where he somehow mounts his horse by jumping on it injured and he has no recollection of achieving this
Holy shit, that intro!!!
fuck yeah i can finally watch this
Loved this trilogy, need to rewatch them all together. In this video, I like the parallel of Jon's berserker rage, i.e. his wolf side, with Dany's occasional rage, i.e. her dragon side.
A question about Jon's resurrection: when Beric is resurrected, he loses a bit of his soul every time. But Beric didn't have an animal to park his soul in. Do you think that will make a difference with regards to this 'diminishing' that seems to happen after a resurrection?
Great video! Thanks!!
Fantastic video !
In deep geek reference! I miss your duo live streams
Probably fair to say the Nights Watch oaths constitute a kind of social death. These videos are great btw, I started reading the books for the second time recently and all these theories are massively enriching the experience. Very entertaining presentation style too. Big respect!
Oh damn the LmL Visual Effects Department started out this video strong!
Just found your channel yesterday and just thought I'd let you know that I'm loving the content that you provide
Oh shit cool well, lots of back content for you if you like the vibe! Welcome to the myth heads, lol
So ready to watch the supercut tonight
Such an awesome video series 🤙🏽
This is gonna be a good 'un!!
Nothing like starting an evening with lml.
Okay, if they don’t have talking ravens in the next show I’m gonna sacrifice myself to myself.
Very well done sir
Great series. Lots of cool parallels.
I thought I heard someone say that Odin can also see through the eyes of his ravens like he would send them out before battle to get like a lay of the land.