I’m a commercial HVAC technician. My surge is my best friend when up on rooftops lol When I’m out and about with my family, I carry the signal because it’s smaller and doesn’t hinder my fashionability as much lol But man I love my surge. Use it every single day
Nice comparison. Thanks. One big point (no pun intended) for the Surge is that you can remove the diamond file and use it to sharpen the blade. Not so on the wave.
That’s a great observation and one I wished I had included in my video. Thanks for sharing the information and thank you for stopping by. Have a great week.
After viewing both the surge and the wave in my local camping shop I was totally undecided which one to chose to accompany me on my impending road trip through the Aussie outback. I searched the internet for comparisons and was so confused until I came across your excellent video. By the end of it my mind was made up and I went and bought the surge. Boy, does it feel solid in your hand. The quality is outstanding and it just feels like it could tackle any job that comes it's way. I think this will be a tool that I will have for a long time and one I will use often once I hit the road. Thanks, once again, for taking the time and trouble to upload this thorough, and very unbiased, video.
You are so welcome and just made my day. I hope you have a wonderful safe trip and have to leave the Surge in your bag.. lol. Take care and once again thank you so much.
i think unless you do somthing totally stupid with it like drop it from a plane or cliff or leave it in salt water for weeks on end, im pretty sure this will last you till the day you die hahaha
The handiest use of those little saws is in making the cross-grain cuts in figure four traps. The file also comes in handy for making the action of those traps smooth and sensitive.
Excellent comparison and very nicely narrated. My Wave was stolen some time ago and I wanted to replace it with the same. Now I'm shopping for the Surge. Thanks from the Czech Republic.
I'm not really a pocket carry guy, so I carry the Surge in my backpack always. To be honest, it is just more durable for heavy duty stuff, than Wave. It was a hard choice, when I decided to buy it, but not a single regret ever since!
Good way to put it I feel much the same way. If I belt carry or just need a tool for the day I carry the Wave, but if I do any heavy work or back pack carry I use the Surge. Take care and stay safe.
Great hack on the extension bit. Been thinking about grabbing one but they're $20 from leatherman. Now I can just make my own... Never thought about grinding down one of the many extensions I have in the tool box.
The removable saw blade on the Surge looks exactly like a standard jigsaw blade. If so, you have many options available in blades. I work as a skilled tradesman and currently carry a SOG which I've had for 20 years. To be honest, it's a pain to use sometimes so I'm looking to buy a Wave+ or Surge. Thanks for the comparison. It helped make up my mind to get the Surge.
I've had my wave for over 20 years (I sound so old) it is pre exchangeable anything including the old style phillips screwdriver... but it's showing signs of age now and is due for replacement. Currently trying to decide which way to go but I agree with your take on scissors... so so handy, I don't think I could have a tool without them!
I have carried a multi tool for over 10 years (self employed contractor) to be honest I have never used the scissors for anything. Other than cutting your nails or paper I can't see any other use for them? I guess if you work in an office and can't find a regular pair of scissors maybe they would be good in a pinch...
Great video. Still can't make up my mind. I'm going to be carrying with a pocket clip in my back pocket, so I know the Wave would be better for this due to it's smaller size and weight. But I just really like the tools on the Surge better and would get more use out of them. Decisions, decisions. Also you mentioned you wished they sold the eyeglass screwdriver bit without having to get the other bits. While they don't sell just 1, they do sell a 3pack of them on the leatherman website for 5 dollars. Just wanted to let you know.
Steve M Thanks for the heads up on the bits buddy. As for your decision perhaps try the Surge first and if your finding it uncomfortable or too large for your back pocket put up for sale and buy the wave after you’ve sold it. I did that with the OTF. At least here it was pretty easy to sell a used Leatherman and I came pretty close to breaking even on the OTF and I had my curiosity satiated. The other thing is I don’t think you can go wrong with either tool buddy. Take care and stay safe buddy.
Great review. This following paragraph is not directed at you reviewer, although it does respectfully apply. I figure this as good of a time as any to get this out of my system. P.S.A (that no one asked for) - OIL YOUR LEATHER GUYS. Nearly every review or "show and tell" that I see on youtube and forums you can guarantee almost without fail that their leather products will be dry, cracked and falling apart prematurely. Its a baffling trend to me that ive been seeing for years. You're busy, overwhelmed, have more important things to do, its replaceable, I get it. Just oil it ONCE when you take it out of the box. If nothing else just once. Youd be amazed how much longer it will last being oiled just that one time. You clean and lubricate your firearms and knives I suspect, and I'm sure you oiled your boots when you first bought them. Leather was part of an animal, once it's seperated it no longer being nourished, it needs maintained. Once it cracks its soon to be too late. Take.. Flowers for instance, cut from the plant and given no water, dead. Im not trying to point fingers or piss and moan, I just care about your leather.. And you should too dammit lol. Mink oil, Wal-Mart $4 a can, will last year's.
Dylan Michael When your right you’re right and you my friend are right. It’s such an easy way to maintain a huge part of my EDC and I’ve never considered it. Well consider my wave and Victorinox multitool sheaths now conditioned. Take care and thanks for pointing that out.
"Mink Oil. $5-$10 depending on ounces per can. The can will last you years if you use a conservative amount (a little goes a long way) and arent conditioning an obscene amount of leather. Mink oil, the mostly natural stuff (Fiebings is great for the price) is non toxic. (I've used it as lip balm and crack cream for my hands out in the field when ive had nothing else and have never suffered any negative effects.) It also acts as a very good water proofing agent. It is mostly natural minus a safe stabilizer or two, because its derived from animal fat and will go bad without it. It's also cheap, highly effective and can be us for other purposes in a pinch like a balm or vasoline substitute etc (here are more if you're curious, Google it). Also in my opinion a paste is the best form of protectiant to use. Its the most stable compared to a liquid or spray. It requires you to be deliberate in aplication and allows you to be sparing with how much you're using. Recently I've been buying a 6oz tub of fiebings miko oil paste from a seller on eBay for $7.81 which is a great price. Search for it on ebay and keep scrolling and youll find it. Its in a white tub. Band new, Free shipping. For the best results, especially for the first application I would suggest heating the item youre applying the mink oil to immediately before either with a hairdryer, setting it by or on a heater or heat vent in your house during winter or even out in direct sun light. It will allow the oil to penetrate deeper and it will also dry faster. After youve applied it, work it into the leather a bit with your fingers firmly until there aren't any clumps or pools of oil on the leather. Let it dry for a few days, tho you can use it after 24 hours. Re-apply every few months or slightly more often if you start to see or feel it dry out if its getting alot of use or is subjected to the elements often. In a few months you'll be amazed how drastically different it looks and feels and it only gets better with time. It will begin to feel like a very premium item and it will last forever as long as your keeping it saturated. It will change the way you look at leather. Oh, I got the surge. It's indispensable for real work. Id argue if you can deal with the larger size and weight its the only edc piece youd ever need, second to a victorinox SAK.
Sorry for the paragraph I had thought it was the reviewer asking for advice, no matter. I feel no shame in it lol. I dont mind looking like a rambling fool.
@@dylanmichael3985 thank you! I wrote lengthy replies too, so, I'm okay with it. 🙂 If you are okay with it, do you have any further advice on how to keep mould away from my Victorinox leather sheaths in high-humidity areas? This one I need for my boots too that catch mould, and separately, I have waterproof suede boots too, but that hasn't gotten mould. So, advice for all this is welcome.
Really enjoyed this video. I bought the Leatherman P4 today after losing my Wave. Had heard such great things about it but after playing with it for the last couple of hours, I’ve decided to take it back and get either another Wave or the Surge. I was really conflicted on which one but I think your video helped make up my mind. Thanks for reviewing them both. And I love your bit driver that you made. I just found your company and I’m gonna buy one! Thanks again.
Your so welcome I’m glad I could help. I’ve just had my third surgery in 3 years on my foot so I’ve had to take it easy on the videos for a bit, but I will be back. I’m glad I have both the wave and surge and I’ve been using the rule of thumb if it’s on my belt it’s the wave unless I’m doing some heavy work that day. As for the surge it’s in my EDC bag I need to carry since I can’t walk with out a scooter. I just like the lighter weight of the 3ave on my belt, but the surge has its place. I was recently at a hotel and I always take out the water regulators in the shower and replace when I leave. My last visit the wave wasn’t big enough to take the shower head off, so I alway now make sure my surge is in my bag. Take care and have a great night.
I’m gonna go back to the wave for that exact reason. I thought I wanted the burlier, bigger one but that extra 4 ounces might start to bother me all day. And I’m sad now that I realized your company doesn’t ship to the US. I really wanted that driver set. Sorry to hear about your foot injury. I’m in a walking boot myself right now. I hope you get all healed up soon.
Just head to Wurth USA and they should have it. If it’s not there once I get back to work I will look after you. And thanks it’s been a journey I hope you get all healed up as well.
Big Canucker Awesome. Thanks for the heads up. I checked the US website but it doesn’t seem like they are offering that particular set. Or I’m a dummy and just can’t find it. Lol And thanks for the well wishes.
Very nice review i carry a Sidekick amd always wanted a Wave, when i was finally able to get the Wave i then skipped it and got the Surge instead, just must more heavy duty and robust to me
Thanks for the comparison vid, I was convinced that the wave was the one but I said to myself "what if you need to make a hole". after which I came across you video, so thank you!
An important thing to note about the wave. I bought mine about two or so years ago and recently switched to the surge. I didn't realize it until after I had switched, the amount of times my skin got caught when using the pliers on the wave was infuriating. If you are really wrenching on something and the pliers slip with the wave, it'll nip you pretty good. Nothing major, just annoying. If the surge had the eyeglasses driver and spring loaded pliers it would be perfect.
@@Noble_Isaac the surge has a slightly larger gap, but the main difference is the handles being longer and the corners being broken rather than sharp sheet metal. Even if I get nipped with the surge, it hurts a lot less. But it also happens less often.
I carry the Surge daily and have many Leathermans including several originals Waves( 1st and 2nd gen), Super Tool 300, Signals, Mutt, and Sidekicks as well as many others and accessories
Nice I’ve tried to get a few more and managed to get a charge which would take over my daily carry if I was still working. The Surge is still my go to multitool though if I need a tool to carry in my bag as it’s the most capable in my eyes. It’s just so big to carry on the waste for me. Take care sir.
If you are doing any kind of a professional tradesman, Surge is the king. It is super easy to modify or create own bits and blades for tshank.. Normal bits can be grinded down to thickness to vreate your own bits. To not waste space, its easy to add flat on the hidden part of the bit.
Wow, I am glad to have seen this video just for the hack alone! Why didn't I think of that! Also helped me choose the surge for the more rugged needle nose. Thanks
I carry a Wave+ at work (and outside of work because hey, who can stop me) and I love it. If I ever buy a Leatherman for myself then I'll probably go with the Wave+ again. The Surge is tempting, but I'm worried about the size. Would love to see a Wave+ sized version of the Surge, maybe a tiny bit larger. Ditch the small flathead in favour of the glasses screwdriver and it'd be perfect.
Yes the size of the Surge on the belt always bothered me, but darn it’s such a handy multi tool. Plus I’m with you on the wave plus that’s my preferred EDC carry for Leatherman.
I have had my Wave for about 8 years or so. The one you have in the video has different features than mine. That is the Philips drive is a fixed shaft, -it has three standard drives of various sizes in the compartment with the scissors, the lanyard loop hole is smaller and it doesn't have the eye glass screwdriver feature. Also, the case sides seem smoother than yours. I just find it interesting there were at least two different ones.
You have the original Wave Leslie, so do I, the case sides are smoother because the tools on the inside do not have a lock when deployed. The Big Canucker is reviewing the second generation Wave, I think.
The saw sounds like a blast. I see S30v blades for the charge on eBay and I’m sure I’ve seen demascus blades before online and if I come across an S30v blade for the Surge I will post a link. TAke care.
I have owned a surge for many years. It is an older model without the replaceable wire cutter. It stays in a drawer and is the first tool I reach for when there is some work to perform. The only 'con' to buying this is that you will never have a good reason to buy another multi-tool. I doubt this surge will ever break with regular household usage.
I've been wanting to buy a multitool to compliment my Gerber Center Drive because it doesn't have a couple of things the Leatherman Wave and Surge offer. I'm not the snobbish type to insist one brand is best. There is no one best brand, nor is there one best model. Everyone is different and has different needs. That said, I have been teetering between the Wave and the Surge. I can see and understand your attachment to, and affection for, the Wave. However, after watching this video, I think I'm swayed toward the Surge. I don't mind big, beefy multitools. I think they stand up to rough usage over a longer period of time, and I don't "baby" my tools, although I do take good care of them. I have to say that I'm more fond of my Center Drive's main knife blade much better. It's the sharpest knife I own, and maintaining its edge is not problematic for me. It's the saw blade interchangeability that appeals to me most. And I have to add that the Gerber I have has THE best bit driver on the market, although the double-sided bits the Leatherman uses has appeal, too. But its biggest drawback to me is the proprietary nature of Leatherman's bits. Lastly, thank you so much for a great presentation. You make a good case for both tools you reviewed, and I want to thank you for helping me decide. It was the best of all the videos I watched in trying to make my decision.
Hello, BC - excellent video - I have both and they are really good! I decided to upgrade from the New Wave to the Surge because of the awl, the replaceable cutters, stranded - wire cutters, crimpers and the blade - exchanger...the Wave+ has the cutters and the crimpers, not enough for me to upgrade...for a little more, I purchased the Surge...I agree with your observations, especially the one that each tool has its uses based on the need, use or project at hand...thanks and good job!
Dustin Wilson That’s awesome if I ever need another one I’m heading there first. I already replaced my missing one from Leatherman. Take care.
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Im still torn between the 2. I prefer the scissors on surge, but prefer the mini screwdriver on the wave. I wonder if I could modify the bit holder in the surge, to have a slot for the small driver.
I’m sure it can be done, but it might be easier to use the bit adapter that uses the flat bits and get a regular 1/4 inch glasses bit. I took a regular bit holder and ground the end flat so it will fit in the 2D bit holder and I know they make really small 1/4 inch bits. Hope this helps buddy take care.
That's actually a Wave Plus; the original Wave doesn't have gimping on the serrated blade, doesn't have the bit holder ( it actually has real screwdriver blades), and doesn't have the ruler markings.
Good points. I have Wave and don't miss Surge, especially when i have modified my Wave to have big scissors and an awl like the Surge has! That leather sheath is almost good but next i'll make a better one to get even more happier.
Awesome I would love to see a video on your Wave. I’ve also thought about doing a few mods on my Wave, but just haven’t found a beater Leatherman to grab a few of the tools I want, but I will be checking out yard sales when we open up. Stay safe buddy.
@@TheBigCanuckerI do have kind of a video about it, it's currently my only TH-cam video, making it easy to find from my channel. It was meant to be shown for one friend only so i didn't make it high quality international thing. It's silent and texted in finnish. May be boring to you, so you can skip the process and see the final results in 4:07. I first saw Raoul Octav doing this, getting me inspired. He has better video but he doesn't do the awl installation there. I found my parts from Ebay, luckily from the same seller. Special torx bits required too to open the safety screws. The scissors are from Leatherman Wingman. I like the size, but they just don't cut that well. I will sharpen, actually re-shape them some day trying to improve. The awl is from Leatherman Rebar which pleasantly fits in almost as it is.
7:18 the chime was so distant I’m surprised the mic picked it up, I was spooked for a second, thought my church clock had been given an upgrade or something
Lol it’s my mantle clock my wife and I got for our first anniversary. We’ve had it so long I don’t even hear it anymore , but when I do I enjoy the bells. Take care and stay safe.
Thanks so much for the kind words buddy. The Surge is the perfect work tool... I had a look and subbed your channel looks like great content although I feel for you and the no locking knives probably the same way the Americans feel bad for me not being able to carry an OTF...lol....Take care.
I have a hard time trying any other Leatherman than the Surge. You can exchange the saw blade for a longer bosche saw blade and many types of bosche tshank blades, my favourite the steel cutting blade. And when your diamond stone wears out your can easily replace it. Oh and I can use mine one handed ez. Great video, I just had to let you know you can get long blades for the Surge.
This stuff about the premium knife steels being "better". Im no expert, but AFAIK, the longer they keep the edge, the longer it takes to sharpen them. So unless im missing something, you will end up spending a similar amount of time sharpening both hard and soft steels. Of course, if you only use it for light tasks, then they may never need to be sharpened, and it seems logical that harder steels will have a higher tolerance for what materials it can cut without ever needing to be sharpened... Another benefit will be that if sharpen your hard steel knives as often as softer steels needs to be sharpened, then the harder steel will never get dull... I think maybe i prefer softer steels, for the ease of sharpening it - but im a sucker for "premium" stuff... Yesterday i found an almost $400 pocket knife with a nice fat 4mm M390 drop point blade and titanium handle, on sale for $240. Needless to say; i no longer have those $240, lol! But at least now i have a really nice knife that will probably last my entire life 😁
Lol yes when you get that kind of deal you need to jump 0n it…as for the premium steels most of us will never know or notice the difference between VG and M390 in the real world unless you are cutting a lot on a tough material. As for the super steels being harder to sharpen can be true if you are using the same Alumnium Oxide or Zirc stone it will take longer, but if you use ceramic, CBN or diamond stones to sharpen the premium steel the time will be negligible unless it’s a Maxamet or Rex 121 then your in for a time. The other reason the premium steels can be so beneficial is if you have a job to do and no access to an abrasive to sharpen usually the premium steel will finish the job and then some where as 8CR13MOV may need to be sharpened 2 or 3 times during the job. I hope this helps and take care.
Great comparison. PLEASE send me a link for getting the bit holder with the “pop-out” button and the little kit (orange plastic case) with the extras. Thanks for your assistance.
Here you go buddy....shop.wurth.ca/general-tools/professional-hand-tools/drive-bits-allen-keys-sets/bit-accessories/one-touch-bit-holder/one-touch-bit-holder-1-4-/614.176638/
I honestly prefer to keep my Leatherman in my backpack, since they seem (to me) to be a "Plan B" type of tool. As a "Plan A" I always have a Victorinox Rambler on my keychain in my pocket.
Well that’s a great plan A and a great plan B….I like to put the Leatherman Wave on my hip and the Surge in my back pack it’s too big for the hip normally. Thanks for stopping by take care.
Hi There, Nice video, I've been having the leatherman Wave versions for the past 10 years, I've carried it with me to nearly everywhere possible and to be frank its one heck of a handy tool. I lost 3 waves and bought a 4th one. The only problem is that staying here in Kenya here, its a bit hard to replace the parts....I lost both the bits...and as you said we cant replace the particular bits....too bad I guess.. Can you please share a link as to where i can get the best replacement parts and if possible can they be posted to Kenya??? Thanks a load.
Sukhwinder Singh Jandu Yes When you lose a Leatherman it’s like a kick in the gut...lol. Hers a link that will help I hope. Take care and stay safe buddy. www.whizz.co.ke/brand/leatherman/?page=1
There should be leatherman Official seller in your country, buy from them at least they will provide you some help on leatherman warranty Sorry for you losing 3 wave,
the surge... never saw the appeal about it... but the wave is the greatest god damn muti tool of all time. I have other leathermans (a wingman for backup and a style PS on my keys for the REAL EDC) but the wave just has everything you could ever really need. other muti tools try to come close even by leatherman (the free is cute but you can one hand open a wave after breaking it in) but they just don't. The wave so good that even leatherman can't innovate further
I really love my wave as well and if 9 had to choose only 1 tool to keep on my belt every day it would be The Wave, but sometimes for me size matters and the wider jaw on the Surge can be really helpful. Take care and stay safe.
Im an Agronomic Engineering Student from Colombia(Yeah, in south america). Which would be better for my ground agricultural work, the Leatherman Surge, or the Leatherman Wave+ ??
Over all I believe the Surge is a more capable tool it’s just a larger heavier tool then the Wave and you need to decide if it’s worth the extra size and weight. I happen to think the Surge is the way to go. I hope this helps take care stay safe.
@@TheBigCanucker you’re welcome and thanks again. I reviewed many and even the SOG which has great plier leverage but one wise reviewer showed that the SOG’s spring wore down and didn’t retract the blade or saw into the tool (a dangerous outcome for the user/owner going forward). I can see why the Surge is a top tier product and even if it requires a wee bit more manual operation, at least it could last … my lifetime. Take care from Edmonton. Robert
Hey Man sorry it took me a bit to get back to you I was away for a wedding...I used to work for a company called Wurth Canada and can provide thew link if your in Canada for the bit set and the Bit holder. Here is the link sir shop.wurth.ca/general-tools/professional-hand-tools/drive-bits-allen-keys-sets/bit-accessories/one-touch-bit-holder/ONE-TOUCH-BIT-HOLDER-1-4-/614.176638/
I will have to look when and if I need another one. I ended up just buying a bigger set that has the eyeglass in it, but it’s good to know just in case.
Excellent comparison. The wave is already kind of heavy for what it is. My wave feels bulky and overweight when compared to my PST II. The surge just seems too heavy and bulky for EDC.
For mountain biking/hiking what should i consider buying the surge or the wave? Im leaning towards the surge because of the awl weight is not a problem :)
Yes definitely I think the surge is the better over all tool. Another consideration to ad if weight isn’t an issue is the Crunch. I carry both in my bag and I haven’t come across to much I can’t handle with these tools. I’m going to be doing a video soon on my back pack tools. Sorry it took me a bit to get back to you, but I was camping for the weekend and really bad cell signal. Take care.
I'm trying to decide between the Wave, Signal and P4. There's a lot of little things i like about the P4, but i like the hammer bit on the signal and the bit holder and ruler on the wave. (the ruler on the P4 is a joke)
I haven't had a signal so I can't speak to the effectiveness of it, but I don't think you can go wrong with the Wave. If comparing the Wave to the P4 the wave is a way better all around tool where as the P4 is more of a handy item. I think other then the hammer a wave with the scissors is a more suitable tool for my life, but in the long run I don't think you can go wrong with either one. I hope this helps. Take care and stay safe.
I have the Signal and Wave+. Get the wave... best tool I ever bought. Do you really NEED the hammer? I haven’t used it yet. You have to remember the signal is for emergency situations whilst camping. Wave is a better edc.
I just looked at the o models and I’m a surge guy and was debating on a wave or a p 4 I’m going with the wave the p models feel cheap an not impressive
Yikes, glad that blade didn't bit ya! 🔪👍Nice job on the comparison. Can I get that bit extender with push button alone and what is the official name of it? Thanks in advance 😎
Here is the name of the bit holder and the website in Canada I’m sure if you have a Wurth Site in your country you can get it. Take care. shop.wurth.ca/general-tools/professional-hand-tools/drive-bits-allen-keys-sets/bit-accessories/one-touch-bit-holder/ONE-TOUCH-BIT-HOLDER-1-4-/614.176638/
I enjoy watching your video. I love reading your comments. May I know why you didn't choose Charge TTi over Wave? I'm in the middle of making a decision, whether I should buy Charge TTi which only around 30 grams heavier than Wave but have the cutting hook and S30V blade, Or, should I buy Wave which half the price of Charge TTi if the cutting hook on the Charge TTi is not too important to have, Or, should I buy Surge which the same price as Charge TTi, got more features, but 50% heavier. I'm using multitool for EDC, carrying it everywhere, and frequently using it for my outdoor hobby: hiking, trekking, mountaineering, survival purpose. Salam, from Nusantara.
Thanks for your question I love getting them they make me think. I got the wave as I read good things about it and budget was also a concern. The S30 v blade wasn’t a super concern because I always carry a good edc blade in my rotation. I prefer the wave over the surge for edc because the weight is more then I want to carry unless I’m doing hard work. If price is no issue and the charge TTI has the features of the surge with the weight of the wave that’s what I would choose. Take care and stay safe.
@@TheBigCanucker I read your comment, and then rethink it again. And read it again, and rethink it again. 3 times. Now Charge TTi is not in my shortlist anymore, although I have had it once for a year, before I let it go. I need only 1 ultimate multitool from Leatherman, that lightweight enough to carry in the belt, or pocket. Thank you sir, I think I'm gonna go with a Wave for EDC. If I got extra budget, I will buy a Surge, just for a try on. I'll keep it in the car.
Kebetulan ane koleksi multitools ... Leatherman, Victorinox, Gerber, & SOG ... Utk Leatherman ane punya Charge TTi +, Surge, Crunch, & Squirt PS4 ... If i have to choose only one of them ... I choose Leatherman Charge TTi + for sure ... Salam Nusantara ... 🙏🙏🙏
@@artile99 saya punya Victorinox & Gerber. Fitur Victorinox kurang memuaskan saya. Gerber kurang klop kualitasnya, functional design nya juga. Saya punya Charge TTi, Charge ALX, Supertool 300EOD, Surge jadul, Surge kekinian. Yang saya bawa hiking sekarang: Surge. Charge TTi itu bagus, tapi fiturnya ga sekomplit Surge. ST300 series itu dipegangnya kurang nyaman sewaktu kerja.
Is it possible to swap the serrated blade and replace it by the file/saw? i need file and saw at the same time on the multi tool. I have all the bits needed to open it up though.
So I do tree work for a living and do a lot of hands on stuff in my free time, I can’t decide which one to get. I have an older leather man which I can’t think of what one but I carry it everyday. Any opinion on which one is the best edc for someone who would use it often
I think the Surge is a more capable tool over all, but the Wave is way more comfortable to wear every day. I had the wave first and it did most of what I wanted, but when I thought I lost the wave I got a surge and it’s bigger size was more handy a few times. If the bigger weight doesn’t bother you go with the Surge, but if ease of carry is of more importance get the Wave. I hope that helps. Take care.
I just checked my Surge and did notice a small amount of up and down play. I’ve never noticed it when I was using any of the tools and the play hasn’t increased over the last couple of years I’ve owned it. I’ve also never had a tool fail on me, so I’m not sure where that leaves us. I think it’s a pretty well built tool that’s pretty solid. Take care and stay safe.
The bit holder comes from the company I worked for before I got hurt called Wurth. There is a Wurth USA that I believe sells it. It’s still up in the air if I can recover enough to go back to work so if you can’t find one and I go back I can sell you one. I’ve got 6 or so on the list buddy. It’s just a regular bit holder that I ground down to fit the 2D bit Leatherman holder. Take care.
As far as I know Leatherman doesn't sell S30V blades. You are better off either buying a Surge new with the upgraded steel or look for an aftermarket seller online, ebay, or Etsey. Sorry I couldnt be more help. Take care.
This link takes you to the page before the bit set when I click the link for bit set it gives me an error. They may be sold out. I will email my boss and find out. I’ve been off for a few years on medical so I’m not totally sure what scoop is with tools right now. Take care.
This is what you do you take the wave you grab a half inch round pipe with the needle nose and smash it with a hammer and break the tip off the needle nose they’ll give you a brand new one with the removable cutters, yeah I know it’s dirty play but it’s guaranteed for life
, I sent my surge in last year for a new blade and they sent me a brand new tool I don’t know why I was pissed because mine was so broken and loose but it is what it is
@@TheBigCanucker That’s what my buddy did someone gave him a Leatherman wave about 12 years ago they kept it outside in the back of a pick up truck so it was pretty rusty, he knocked the rust off with a wire wheel and I guess he wasn’t happy so he broke the needle nose being that’s the only part they can’t replace so they gave him a brand new wave
I’m sorry for the late reply it just popped up today. If you search one touch bit holder on Amazon us an identical one will pop up other then it’s different colour and not Wurth branded. Take care.
I haven’t tried Leathermans black finish yet thanks so much for the heads up. By the way what exactly is wrong with it? Take care and stay safe my friend.
@@Quantarius that’s pretty crappy, Leatherman has a pretty good warranty and just might replace it or replace it with a chrome one. If it’s coming off on your hand and your not happy give them a go at making it better.
Please! Can anyone please help me!! My girl and I have been looking all over the web for about an hour maybe two going on 10 hours trying to figure out what this tool is on my multi-tool tet set. It is a Schrade brand multi-tool pliers and it's that freaking tool on there that is like just like a solid like rectangle like at the cube it's cute but it doesn't I don't know what I'm supposed to use it for
Hey guys I’m not sure which tool your thinking of, but if you either take a pic of it and email me at bigcanucker@gmail.com or leave a link to the tool page or picture I can look it up and hopefully help. Thanks for stopping by I hope I can help take care.
Sorry I don’t have S30 on the Surge, it’s been a bit since I recorded this video, but I think I was mentioning there are some aftermarket S30v blades out there and I would like to get one. I will have to rewatch and see for sure. Take care.
Never owned one but thinking of changing that. Bought an iPad last year for the first time. I can see what the fuss is about and I wish i had got one years ago. So using that theory I’m trying to decide the best one I won’t need to upgrade.
Either one is a great tool it mostly depends on you. If your carrying on your belt most of the time I like the wave, but The Surge is a more capable tool and if your caring in a bag or don’t mind the extra size and weight on your belt the Surge is the one. I hope this helps take care.
@@TheBigCanucker oh hey; I have the ST300, I don't EDC with it because it's heavy, but I bought it to keep in my desk at work (work in IT). I need another multi for my personal car, so I might get the Surge.
Kenji Fox In my opinion the Surge is a more capable tool then the wave due to its size and tool config, but it's way heavier then the wave so if it's going to sit in your car the Surge is the way to go, but if you are going to EDC on your belt the Wave is way more comfortable to carry at least for me. Hope this helps buddy.
Arlene Wolf you can try here shop.wurth.ca/?gclid=CjwKCAjw4MP5BRBtEiwASfwAL2reFJd_8DVxKiYn240rn7xfFygXymuQj4EjJbsXEV2nhQgW55zH1RoCnX8QAvD_BwE I hope this helps take care.
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I’m a commercial HVAC technician.
My surge is my best friend when up on rooftops lol
When I’m out and about with my family, I carry the signal because it’s smaller and doesn’t hinder my fashionability as much lol
But man I love my surge.
Use it every single day
Nice comparison. Thanks. One big point (no pun intended) for the Surge is that you can remove the diamond file and use it to sharpen the blade. Not so on the wave.
That’s a great observation and one I wished I had included in my video. Thanks for sharing the information and thank you for stopping by. Have a great week.
Wow I wish I had known this before buying the wave !
Then get 2 waves lol
This is the nicest comment section I've ever seen. Is this the Canadian section of YT?
Lol I’m sorry, it’s just regular YT....but once again I’m sorry if there was a way I could change it I would...lol. Take care and stay safe.
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After viewing both the surge and the wave in my local camping shop I was totally undecided which one to chose to accompany me on my impending road trip through the Aussie outback. I searched the internet for comparisons and was so confused until I came across your excellent video. By the end of it my mind was made up and I went and bought the surge. Boy, does it feel solid in your hand. The quality is outstanding and it just feels like it could tackle any job that comes it's way. I think this will be a tool that I will have for a long time and one I will use often once I hit the road. Thanks, once again, for taking the time and trouble to upload this thorough, and very unbiased, video.
You are so welcome and just made my day. I hope you have a wonderful safe trip and have to leave the Surge in your bag.. lol. Take care and once again thank you so much.
i think unless you do somthing totally stupid with it like drop it from a plane or cliff or leave it in salt water for weeks on end, im pretty sure this will last you till the day you die hahaha
Got a surge, just love it don't mind the extra weight.
The handiest use of those little saws is in making the cross-grain cuts in figure four traps. The file also comes in handy for making the action of those traps smooth and sensitive.
If you work in skilled trades, get the Surge. Everybody else: Wave. Don’t overthink it.
Blaise Dahl Yup nuff said. Lol.
or buy both :) one for work one for EDC!
I'm a union eleanor I use ur mom.
@@gearsNtools I don't work anymore I keep one in car and edc other lol both are surges
@@roybarron5289 I EDC a Wave and have a few Surges laying around where I can easily find them lol.
Excellent comparison and very nicely narrated. My Wave was stolen some time ago and I wanted to replace it with the same. Now I'm shopping for the Surge. Thanks from the Czech Republic.
Thank you so much I really appreciate it. Take care and good luck with your Surge my friend.
By 22 minutes, you have answered many to all of my questions and have allowed me to make a decision... Surge will do more for me.
Thank you dear sir!
Ism so glad I could help. Take care and stay safe.
I'm not really a pocket carry guy, so I carry the Surge in my backpack always. To be honest, it is just more durable for heavy duty stuff, than Wave. It was a hard choice, when I decided to buy it, but not a single regret ever since!
Good way to put it I feel much the same way. If I belt carry or just need a tool for the day I carry the Wave, but if I do any heavy work or back pack carry I use the Surge. Take care and stay safe.
Wave is good, Surge is modified wave))) About the saw-better Surge because you can change it, when its done.
The Leatherman wave seems to be a better everyday carry. The surge looks better to carry on the job site.
Blake you hit the nail right on the head buddy.
Great hack on the extension bit. Been thinking about grabbing one but they're $20 from leatherman. Now I can just make my own... Never thought about grinding down one of the many extensions I have in the tool box.
Thanks the reason I liked the extension I built was the button ejection made it so much easier to remove bits. Take care.
Just spend the 20 dollars
@@waldo-ot6ul took two minutes to do, I'd rather modify an already existing part that I have a ton of laying around and spend that $20 elsewhere.
The removable saw blade on the Surge looks exactly like a standard jigsaw blade. If so, you have many options available in blades.
I work as a skilled tradesman and currently carry a SOG which I've had for 20 years. To be honest, it's a pain to use sometimes so I'm looking to buy a Wave+ or Surge. Thanks for the comparison. It helped make up my mind to get the Surge.
Yes the surge can use some longer off brand blades so it makes it very versatile. Im so glad I could help take care and stay safe.
I've had my wave for over 20 years (I sound so old) it is pre exchangeable anything including the old style phillips screwdriver... but it's showing signs of age now and is due for replacement. Currently trying to decide which way to go but I agree with your take on scissors... so so handy, I don't think I could have a tool without them!
Send it back to leatherman to get refurbished.
@@idontno0 I didn't even think of that as an option. Thanks 👍🏻👍🏻
They got a 25 year warranty dude, my cousin had his wave for 20 years and they either fixed it or replaced for him free of charge
@northcountryoutlaw9704 25 years, wow ok... good old leatherman. Might have to get in touch.. thank you mate👍🏻
That makes two of us, no multi tool anymore without scissors..
I have carried a multi tool for over 10 years (self employed contractor) to be honest I have never used the scissors for anything. Other than cutting your nails or paper I can't see any other use for them? I guess if you work in an office and can't find a regular pair of scissors maybe they would be good in a pinch...
Great video. Still can't make up my mind. I'm going to be carrying with a pocket clip in my back pocket, so I know the Wave would be better for this due to it's smaller size and weight. But I just really like the tools on the Surge better and would get more use out of them. Decisions, decisions.
Also you mentioned you wished they sold the eyeglass screwdriver bit without having to get the other bits. While they don't sell just 1, they do sell a 3pack of them on the leatherman website for 5 dollars. Just wanted to let you know.
Steve M Thanks for the heads up on the bits buddy. As for your decision perhaps try the Surge first and if your finding it uncomfortable or too large for your back pocket put up for sale and buy the wave after you’ve sold it. I did that with the OTF. At least here it was pretty easy to sell a used Leatherman and I came pretty close to breaking even on the OTF and I had my curiosity satiated. The other thing is I don’t think you can go wrong with either tool buddy. Take care and stay safe buddy.
Great review. This following paragraph is not directed at you reviewer, although it does respectfully apply. I figure this as good of a time as any to get this out of my system. P.S.A (that no one asked for) - OIL YOUR LEATHER GUYS. Nearly every review or "show and tell" that I see on youtube and forums you can guarantee almost without fail that their leather products will be dry, cracked and falling apart prematurely. Its a baffling trend to me that ive been seeing for years. You're busy, overwhelmed, have more important things to do, its replaceable, I get it. Just oil it ONCE when you take it out of the box. If nothing else just once. Youd be amazed how much longer it will last being oiled just that one time. You clean and lubricate your firearms and knives I suspect, and I'm sure you oiled your boots when you first bought them. Leather was part of an animal, once it's seperated it no longer being nourished, it needs maintained. Once it cracks its soon to be too late. Take.. Flowers for instance, cut from the plant and given no water, dead. Im not trying to point fingers or piss and moan, I just care about your leather.. And you should too dammit lol. Mink oil, Wal-Mart $4 a can, will last year's.
Dylan Michael When your right you’re right and you my friend are right. It’s such an easy way to maintain a huge part of my EDC and I’ve never considered it. Well consider my wave and Victorinox multitool sheaths now conditioned. Take care and thanks for pointing that out.
Suggest a conditioning oil for my Victorinox leather sheaths?
"Mink Oil. $5-$10 depending on ounces per can. The can will last you years if you use a conservative amount (a little goes a long way) and arent conditioning an obscene amount of leather. Mink oil, the mostly natural stuff (Fiebings is great for the price) is non toxic. (I've used it as lip balm and crack cream for my hands out in the field when ive had nothing else and have never suffered any negative effects.) It also acts as a very good water proofing agent. It is mostly natural minus a safe stabilizer or two, because its derived from animal fat and will go bad without it. It's also cheap, highly effective and can be us for other purposes in a pinch like a balm or vasoline substitute etc (here are more if you're curious, Google it). Also in my opinion a paste is the best form of protectiant to use. Its the most stable compared to a liquid or spray. It requires you to be deliberate in aplication and allows you to be sparing with how much you're using. Recently I've been buying a 6oz tub of fiebings miko oil paste from a seller on eBay for $7.81 which is a great price. Search for it on ebay and keep scrolling and youll find it. Its in a white tub. Band new, Free shipping. For the best results, especially for the first application I would suggest heating the item youre applying the mink oil to immediately before either with a hairdryer, setting it by or on a heater or heat vent in your house during winter or even out in direct sun light. It will allow the oil to penetrate deeper and it will also dry faster. After youve applied it, work it into the leather a bit with your fingers firmly until there aren't any clumps or pools of oil on the leather. Let it dry for a few days, tho you can use it after 24 hours. Re-apply every few months or slightly more often if you start to see or feel it dry out if its getting alot of use or is subjected to the elements often. In a few months you'll be amazed how drastically different it looks and feels and it only gets better with time. It will begin to feel like a very premium item and it will last forever as long as your keeping it saturated. It will change the way you look at leather.
Oh, I got the surge. It's indispensable for real work. Id argue if you can deal with the larger size and weight its the only edc piece youd ever need, second to a victorinox SAK.
Sorry for the paragraph I had thought it was the reviewer asking for advice, no matter. I feel no shame in it lol. I dont mind looking like a rambling fool.
@@dylanmichael3985 thank you! I wrote lengthy replies too, so, I'm okay with it. 🙂
If you are okay with it, do you have any further advice on how to keep mould away from my Victorinox leather sheaths in high-humidity areas? This one I need for my boots too that catch mould, and separately, I have waterproof suede boots too, but that hasn't gotten mould. So, advice for all this is welcome.
When you see the sheaths are worn and battered, you know it’s going to be a good review.
True dat. Lol.
Really enjoyed this video. I bought the Leatherman P4 today after losing my Wave. Had heard such great things about it but after playing with it for the last couple of hours, I’ve decided to take it back and get either another Wave or the Surge. I was really conflicted on which one but I think your video helped make up my mind. Thanks for reviewing them both. And I love your bit driver that you made. I just found your company and I’m gonna buy one! Thanks again.
Your so welcome I’m glad I could help. I’ve just had my third surgery in 3 years on my foot so I’ve had to take it easy on the videos for a bit, but I will be back. I’m glad I have both the wave and surge and I’ve been using the rule of thumb if it’s on my belt it’s the wave unless I’m doing some heavy work that day. As for the surge it’s in my EDC bag I need to carry since I can’t walk with out a scooter. I just like the lighter weight of the 3ave on my belt, but the surge has its place. I was recently at a hotel and I always take out the water regulators in the shower and replace when I leave. My last visit the wave wasn’t big enough to take the shower head off, so I alway now make sure my surge is in my bag. Take care and have a great night.
I’m gonna go back to the wave for that exact reason. I thought I wanted the burlier, bigger one but that extra 4 ounces might start to bother me all day. And I’m sad now that I realized your company doesn’t ship to the US. I really wanted that driver set. Sorry to hear about your foot injury. I’m in a walking boot myself right now. I hope you get all healed up soon.
Just head to Wurth USA and they should have it. If it’s not there once I get back to work I will look after you. And thanks it’s been a journey I hope you get all healed up as well.
Big Canucker Awesome. Thanks for the heads up. I checked the US website but it doesn’t seem like they are offering that particular set. Or I’m a dummy and just can’t find it. Lol And thanks for the well wishes.
@@TheBigCanucker Do you have a link to that 1/4 inch bit adapter?
My boss just surprised me with the surge, absolutely love it.
Congratulations my friend enjoy and have fun with it. It’s an awesome tool.
That's the world's best boss, giving you an heirloom quality tool !
Very nice review i carry a Sidekick amd always wanted a Wave, when i was finally able to get the Wave i then skipped it and got the Surge instead, just must more heavy duty and robust to me
@@kameelramdhin7403 I agree the Surge is so heavy duty. I still have my wave, but I mostly carry a Charge TTI with the S30V steel.
Thanks for the comparison vid, I was convinced that the wave was the one but I said to myself "what if you need to make a hole". after which I came across you video, so thank you!
You are so welcome take care.
One of the most informative real world reviews on TH-cam
Thanks so much, sorry I didn’t see your comment until today. Take care and stay safe.
I have both... I always grab the wave...
An important thing to note about the wave. I bought mine about two or so years ago and recently switched to the surge. I didn't realize it until after I had switched, the amount of times my skin got caught when using the pliers on the wave was infuriating. If you are really wrenching on something and the pliers slip with the wave, it'll nip you pretty good. Nothing major, just annoying. If the surge had the eyeglasses driver and spring loaded pliers it would be perfect.
Yes I hate catching my skin in either one especially when closing them...lol. Take care Kieran.
I thought the Surge has the same design that can nip your skin too?
@@Noble_Isaac the surge has a slightly larger gap, but the main difference is the handles being longer and the corners being broken rather than sharp sheet metal. Even if I get nipped with the surge, it hurts a lot less. But it also happens less often.
If you add N to N neodymium magnets, you can make the surge spring loaded.
I agree
I bought LT Surge black, then all my problems solved. 😁
I carry the Surge daily and have many Leathermans including several originals Waves( 1st and 2nd gen), Super Tool 300, Signals, Mutt, and Sidekicks as well as many others and accessories
Nice I’ve tried to get a few more and managed to get a charge which would take over my daily carry if I was still working. The Surge is still my go to multitool though if I need a tool to carry in my bag as it’s the most capable in my eyes. It’s just so big to carry on the waste for me. Take care sir.
If you are doing any kind of a professional tradesman, Surge is the king. It is super easy to modify or create own bits and blades for tshank.. Normal bits can be grinded down to thickness to vreate your own bits. To not waste space, its easy to add flat on the hidden part of the bit.
Bingo.
Wow, I am glad to have seen this video just for the hack alone! Why didn't I think of that! Also helped me choose the surge for the more rugged needle nose. Thanks
Your so welcome take care.
I carry a Wave+ at work (and outside of work because hey, who can stop me) and I love it. If I ever buy a Leatherman for myself then I'll probably go with the Wave+ again. The Surge is tempting, but I'm worried about the size. Would love to see a Wave+ sized version of the Surge, maybe a tiny bit larger. Ditch the small flathead in favour of the glasses screwdriver and it'd be perfect.
Yes the size of the Surge on the belt always bothered me, but darn it’s such a handy multi tool. Plus I’m with you on the wave plus that’s my preferred EDC carry for Leatherman.
I have had my Wave for about 8 years or so. The one you have in the video has different features than mine. That is the Philips drive is a fixed shaft, -it has three standard drives of various sizes in the compartment with the scissors, the lanyard loop hole is smaller and it doesn't have the eye glass screwdriver feature. Also, the case sides seem smoother than yours. I just find it interesting there were at least two different ones.
There are at least 3 generations of the Wave, as far as I know.
You have the original Wave Leslie, so do I, the case sides are smoother because the tools on the inside do not have a lock when deployed. The Big Canucker is reviewing the second generation Wave, I think.
You can’t buy a s30v blade, you just can buy a leatherman with a s30v blade... btw I use a 25cm saw on the surge and it’s a blast.
The saw sounds like a blast. I see S30v blades for the charge on eBay and I’m sure I’ve seen demascus blades before online and if I come across an S30v blade for the Surge I will post a link. TAke care.
I have owned a surge for many years. It is an older model without the replaceable wire cutter. It stays in a drawer and is the first tool I reach for when there is some work to perform. The only 'con' to buying this is that you will never have a good reason to buy another multi-tool. I doubt this surge will ever break with regular household usage.
Yes the Surge is my multitool of choice when theirs work to be done for sure. Take care and stay safe.
Thanks BC for introducing me to this brand! When I upgrade my multi tool I’ll consider Learherman too!
You’re so welcome.
I've been wanting to buy a multitool to compliment my Gerber Center Drive because it doesn't have a couple of things the Leatherman Wave and Surge offer. I'm not the snobbish type to insist one brand is best. There is no one best brand, nor is there one best model. Everyone is different and has different needs. That said, I have been teetering between the Wave and the Surge. I can see and understand your attachment to, and affection for, the Wave. However, after watching this video, I think I'm swayed toward the Surge. I don't mind big, beefy multitools. I think they stand up to rough usage over a longer period of time, and I don't "baby" my tools, although I do take good care of them. I have to say that I'm more fond of my Center Drive's main knife blade much better. It's the sharpest knife I own, and maintaining its edge is not problematic for me. It's the saw blade interchangeability that appeals to me most. And I have to add that the Gerber I have has THE best bit driver on the market, although the double-sided bits the Leatherman uses has appeal, too. But its biggest drawback to me is the proprietary nature of Leatherman's bits. Lastly, thank you so much for a great presentation. You make a good case for both tools you reviewed, and I want to thank you for helping me decide. It was the best of all the videos I watched in trying to make my decision.
Thank you so much and I’m glad I could help. Take care.
what did you end up getting? the surge?
fast opening scissors is a must, for a general purpose multitool.
Hello, BC - excellent video - I have both and they are really good! I decided to upgrade from the New Wave to the Surge because of the awl, the replaceable cutters, stranded - wire cutters, crimpers and the blade - exchanger...the Wave+ has the cutters and the crimpers, not enough for me to upgrade...for a little more, I purchased the Surge...I agree with your observations, especially the one that each tool has its uses based on the need, use or project at hand...thanks and good job!
Looks like great minds think alike thanks again for the sub and take care.
I bought a package of three of the eyeglass screwdriver bits on Amazon 2 months ago
Dustin Wilson That’s awesome if I ever need another one I’m heading there first. I already replaced my missing one from Leatherman. Take care.
Im still torn between the 2.
I prefer the scissors on surge, but prefer the mini screwdriver on the wave.
I wonder if I could modify the bit holder in the surge, to have a slot for the small driver.
I’m sure it can be done, but it might be easier to use the bit adapter that uses the flat bits and get a regular 1/4 inch glasses bit. I took a regular bit holder and ground the end flat so it will fit in the 2D bit holder and I know they make really small 1/4 inch bits. Hope this helps buddy take care.
That's actually a Wave Plus; the original Wave doesn't have gimping on the serrated blade, doesn't have the bit holder ( it actually has real screwdriver blades), and doesn't have the ruler markings.
Thanks so much for the heads up you are totally correct sir.
Good points. I have Wave and don't miss Surge, especially when i have modified my Wave to have big scissors and an awl like the Surge has! That leather sheath is almost good but next i'll make a better one to get even more happier.
Awesome I would love to see a video on your Wave. I’ve also thought about doing a few mods on my Wave, but just haven’t found a beater Leatherman to grab a few of the tools I want, but I will be checking out yard sales when we open up. Stay safe buddy.
@@TheBigCanuckerI do have kind of a video about it, it's currently my only TH-cam video, making it easy to find from my channel. It was meant to be shown for one friend only so i didn't make it high quality international thing. It's silent and texted in finnish. May be boring to you, so you can skip the process and see the final results in 4:07.
I first saw Raoul Octav doing this, getting me inspired. He has better video but he doesn't do the awl installation there.
I found my parts from Ebay, luckily from the same seller. Special torx bits required too to open the safety screws. The scissors are from Leatherman Wingman. I like the size, but they just don't cut that well. I will sharpen, actually re-shape them some day trying to improve. The awl is from Leatherman Rebar which pleasantly fits in almost as it is.
7:18 the chime was so distant I’m surprised the mic picked it up, I was spooked for a second, thought my church clock had been given an upgrade or something
Lol it’s my mantle clock my wife and I got for our first anniversary. We’ve had it so long I don’t even hear it anymore , but when I do I enjoy the bells. Take care and stay safe.
I keep a small light on one side and a ratcheting driver on the other side of my surge
The best scissors I've seen are on Roxon brand on Amazon. I keep cheaper ones laying around, one in the car, in the truck, and in a drawer.
Ill have to get a pair and see for myself.Take care.
love your review clearly long term....ordered my surge for my job. for week days
Thanks so much for the kind words buddy. The Surge is the perfect work tool... I had a look and subbed your channel looks like great content although I feel for you and the no locking knives probably the same way the Americans feel bad for me not being able to carry an OTF...lol....Take care.
I have a hard time trying any other Leatherman than the Surge. You can exchange the saw blade for a longer bosche saw blade and many types of bosche tshank blades, my favourite the steel cutting blade. And when your diamond stone wears out your can easily replace it. Oh and I can use mine one handed ez. Great video, I just had to let you know you can get long blades for the Surge.
Thanks so much Jason I sure like my Surge as well. The only thing I might change is getting a S30V Cutting blade. Take care.
@@TheBigCanucker s45vn would be perfect or s30v. Cheers
Excellent video, very helpful. Thank you.
I needed a little hair around it LOL
This stuff about the premium knife steels being "better". Im no expert, but AFAIK, the longer they keep the edge, the longer it takes to sharpen them. So unless im missing something, you will end up spending a similar amount of time sharpening both hard and soft steels. Of course, if you only use it for light tasks, then they may never need to be sharpened, and it seems logical that harder steels will have a higher tolerance for what materials it can cut without ever needing to be sharpened... Another benefit will be that if sharpen your hard steel knives as often as softer steels needs to be sharpened, then the harder steel will never get dull... I think maybe i prefer softer steels, for the ease of sharpening it - but im a sucker for "premium" stuff... Yesterday i found an almost $400 pocket knife with a nice fat 4mm M390 drop point blade and titanium handle, on sale for $240. Needless to say; i no longer have those $240, lol! But at least now i have a really nice knife that will probably last my entire life 😁
Lol yes when you get that kind of deal you need to jump 0n it…as for the premium steels most of us will never know or notice the difference between VG and M390 in the real world unless you are cutting a lot on a tough material. As for the super steels being harder to sharpen can be true if you are using the same Alumnium Oxide or Zirc stone it will take longer, but if you use ceramic, CBN or diamond stones to sharpen the premium steel the time will be negligible unless it’s a Maxamet or Rex 121 then your in for a time. The other reason the premium steels can be so beneficial is if you have a job to do and no access to an abrasive to sharpen usually the premium steel will finish the job and then some where as 8CR13MOV may need to be sharpened 2 or 3 times during the job. I hope this helps and take care.
Great comparison. PLEASE send me a link for getting the bit holder with the “pop-out” button and the little kit (orange plastic case) with the extras. Thanks for your assistance.
I’m just at my camp ground with barley any signal I will put the link up when I get gone to civilization. BTW are you from the US or Canada?
Here you go buddy....shop.wurth.ca/general-tools/professional-hand-tools/drive-bits-allen-keys-sets/bit-accessories/one-touch-bit-holder/one-touch-bit-holder-1-4-/614.176638/
I honestly prefer to keep my Leatherman in my backpack, since they seem (to me) to be a "Plan B" type of tool. As a "Plan A" I always have a Victorinox Rambler on my keychain in my pocket.
Well that’s a great plan A and a great plan B….I like to put the Leatherman Wave on my hip and the Surge in my back pack it’s too big for the hip normally. Thanks for stopping by take care.
I'd definitely go for the wave as my EDC but those tiny scissors just don't cut it. haha I'll walk myself out now
Lol.
Hi There, Nice video, I've been having the leatherman Wave versions for the past 10 years, I've carried it with me to nearly everywhere possible and to be frank its one heck of a handy tool. I lost 3 waves and bought a 4th one. The only problem is that staying here in Kenya here, its a bit hard to replace the parts....I lost both the bits...and as you said we cant replace the particular bits....too bad I guess.. Can you please share a link as to where i can get the best replacement parts and if possible can they be posted to Kenya??? Thanks a load.
Sukhwinder Singh Jandu Yes When you lose a Leatherman it’s like a kick in the gut...lol. Hers a link that will help I hope. Take care and stay safe buddy. www.whizz.co.ke/brand/leatherman/?page=1
There should be leatherman Official seller in your country, buy from them at least they will provide you some help on leatherman warranty
Sorry for you losing 3 wave,
Yaya center guys on the ground floor used to have a lot of leatherman stuff
the surge... never saw the appeal about it...
but the wave is the greatest god damn muti tool of all time. I have other leathermans (a wingman for backup and a style PS on my keys for the REAL EDC) but the wave just has everything you could ever really need.
other muti tools try to come close even by leatherman (the free is cute but you can one hand open a wave after breaking it in) but they just don't. The wave so good that even leatherman can't innovate further
I really love my wave as well and if 9 had to choose only 1 tool to keep on my belt every day it would be The Wave, but sometimes for me size matters and the wider jaw on the Surge can be really helpful. Take care and stay safe.
Im an Agronomic Engineering Student from Colombia(Yeah, in south america). Which would be better for my ground agricultural work, the Leatherman Surge, or the Leatherman Wave+ ??
Over all I believe the Surge is a more capable tool it’s just a larger heavier tool then the Wave and you need to decide if it’s worth the extra size and weight. I happen to think the Surge is the way to go. I hope this helps take care stay safe.
That's more of an edge file than a metal saw, right?
Savio M yes I would say that but it will still cut. Take care buddy.
Good thorough review and helped me make my decision; Surge!
Awesome Im so glad I could be of service. Take care.
@@TheBigCanucker you’re welcome and thanks again. I reviewed many and even the SOG which has great plier leverage but one wise reviewer showed that the SOG’s spring wore down and didn’t retract the blade or saw into the tool (a dangerous outcome for the user/owner going forward). I can see why the Surge is a top tier product and even if it requires a wee bit more manual operation, at least it could last … my lifetime. Take care from Edmonton. Robert
@@nhlcfl7733 You take care as well and it’s good to see another Canadian on here.
Great video. Mind sharing the bit adapter & kit purchase links?
Hey Man sorry it took me a bit to get back to you I was away for a wedding...I used to work for a company called Wurth Canada and can provide thew link if your in Canada for the bit set and the Bit holder. Here is the link sir shop.wurth.ca/general-tools/professional-hand-tools/drive-bits-allen-keys-sets/bit-accessories/one-touch-bit-holder/ONE-TOUCH-BIT-HOLDER-1-4-/614.176638/
Surge in the backpack. Skeletool in the pockets. 👌
Good way to think about it…I’m the same way…take care.
Great video, sir!! Much appreciated!
Thank you so much I really appreciate it. Take care and stay safe.
try a horizontal sheath with the surge. u wont catch it on things as much.
It’s definitely worth a try my friend.
The eyeglass screw drivers are availible in a 3 pack from Leatherman for $5.00.
I will have to look when and if I need another one. I ended up just buying a bigger set that has the eyeglass in it, but it’s good to know just in case.
Excellent comparison. The wave is already kind of heavy for what it is. My wave feels bulky and overweight when compared to my PST II. The surge just seems too heavy and bulky for EDC.
Yes I know what you mean The SUrge can be a bit much some days buddy Take care.
I was just getting ready to send a message asking if bosch blades would fit is universally LOL.
Lol
For mountain biking/hiking what should i consider buying the surge or the wave? Im leaning towards the surge because of the awl weight is not a problem :)
Yes definitely I think the surge is the better over all tool. Another consideration to ad if weight isn’t an issue is the Crunch. I carry both in my bag and I haven’t come across to much I can’t handle with these tools. I’m going to be doing a video soon on my back pack tools. Sorry it took me a bit to get back to you, but I was camping for the weekend and really bad cell signal. Take care.
Nice review, well done!
Thank you very much it’s very much appreciated. Take care and stay safe.
I'm trying to decide between the Wave, Signal and P4. There's a lot of little things i like about the P4, but i like the hammer bit on the signal and the bit holder and ruler on the wave. (the ruler on the P4 is a joke)
I haven't had a signal so I can't speak to the effectiveness of it, but I don't think you can go wrong with the Wave. If comparing the Wave to the P4 the wave is a way better all around tool where as the P4 is more of a handy item. I think other then the hammer a wave with the scissors is a more suitable tool for my life, but in the long run I don't think you can go wrong with either one. I hope this helps. Take care and stay safe.
I have the Signal and Wave+. Get the wave... best tool I ever bought. Do you really NEED the hammer? I haven’t used it yet. You have to remember the signal is for emergency situations whilst camping. Wave is a better edc.
I just looked at the o models and I’m a surge guy and was debating on a wave or a p 4 I’m going with the wave the p models feel cheap an not impressive
Ryan Oettinger I really want a P4 or P2 just for the fidget factor.. but they’re so crap. Going cheap now though.
The Big Canucker
Thank you all for the advice. Sounds like the wave is really the way to go!
"put a little hair around it" - that alone (still watching the video) got the like and subscribe sir! Cheers.
Thanks buddy I really appreciate it. Take care and thanks for the thumbs up 👍 and the sub.
Used them for over 20 yrs always gave excellent service and just replaced my Surge Got the black spec ops for giggles
Roy Barron That's awesome I love hearing stories like that.
You made me nervous with that blade on the Surge
Omg agreed!!! Every time he touches the blade🤣
I’m an accountant with no need for tools but I edc the surge because it makes me feel like a man.
Ijust wonder if the company
Making new tools
Yikes, glad that blade didn't bit ya! 🔪👍Nice job on the comparison. Can I get that bit extender with push button alone and what is the official name of it? Thanks in advance 😎
Here is the name of the bit holder and the website in Canada I’m sure if you have a Wurth Site in your country you can get it. Take care. shop.wurth.ca/general-tools/professional-hand-tools/drive-bits-allen-keys-sets/bit-accessories/one-touch-bit-holder/ONE-TOUCH-BIT-HOLDER-1-4-/614.176638/
I enjoy watching your video.
I love reading your comments.
May I know why you didn't choose Charge TTi over Wave?
I'm in the middle of making a decision, whether I should buy Charge TTi which only around 30 grams heavier than Wave but have the cutting hook and S30V blade,
Or, should I buy Wave which half the price of Charge TTi if the cutting hook on the Charge TTi is not too important to have,
Or, should I buy Surge which the same price as Charge TTi, got more features, but 50% heavier.
I'm using multitool for EDC, carrying it everywhere, and frequently using it for my outdoor hobby: hiking, trekking, mountaineering, survival purpose.
Salam, from Nusantara.
Thanks for your question I love getting them they make me think. I got the wave as I read good things about it and budget was also a concern. The S30 v blade wasn’t a super concern because I always carry a good edc blade in my rotation. I prefer the wave over the surge for edc because the weight is more then I want to carry unless I’m doing hard work. If price is no issue and the charge TTI has the features of the surge with the weight of the wave that’s what I would choose. Take care and stay safe.
@@TheBigCanucker I read your comment, and then rethink it again. And read it again, and rethink it again. 3 times.
Now Charge TTi is not in my shortlist anymore, although I have had it once for a year, before I let it go.
I need only 1 ultimate multitool from Leatherman, that lightweight enough to carry in the belt, or pocket.
Thank you sir, I think I'm gonna go with a Wave for EDC.
If I got extra budget, I will buy a Surge, just for a try on. I'll keep it in the car.
Jadinya beli yang mana bro? 🙏
Kebetulan ane koleksi multitools ... Leatherman, Victorinox, Gerber, & SOG ... Utk Leatherman ane punya Charge TTi +, Surge, Crunch, & Squirt PS4 ... If i have to choose only one of them ... I choose Leatherman Charge TTi + for sure ...
Salam Nusantara ... 🙏🙏🙏
@@artile99 saya punya Victorinox & Gerber. Fitur Victorinox kurang memuaskan saya. Gerber kurang klop kualitasnya, functional design nya juga.
Saya punya Charge TTi, Charge ALX, Supertool 300EOD, Surge jadul, Surge kekinian. Yang saya bawa hiking sekarang: Surge.
Charge TTi itu bagus, tapi fiturnya ga sekomplit Surge. ST300 series itu dipegangnya kurang nyaman sewaktu kerja.
Is it possible to swap the serrated blade and replace it by the file/saw? i need file and saw at the same time on the multi tool. I have all the bits needed to open it up though.
I’m pretty sure it’s doable you just need to make sure the bases are the same width. Good luck.
Thanks for share. Thanks from Brazil.
Leonardo Lima Muito obrigado por parar cuidando e ficar seguro amigo.
Can the scissors cut soda cans without issue ?
I may use for that and seat belt material.
It’s hard to find a multi tool with a robust scissors
Will EDC I’m pretty sure the Surge will, but I’m not sure about the wave. I will test today and let you know. Take care and stay safe.
The Big Canucker thanks
Why would you use your MT to regularly cut cans/belt material? Just wondering?
So I do tree work for a living and do a lot of hands on stuff in my free time, I can’t decide which one to get. I have an older leather man which I can’t think of what one but I carry it everyday. Any opinion on which one is the best edc for someone who would use it often
I think the Surge is a more capable tool over all, but the Wave is way more comfortable to wear every day. I had the wave first and it did most of what I wanted, but when I thought I lost the wave I got a surge and it’s bigger size was more handy a few times. If the bigger weight doesn’t bother you go with the Surge, but if ease of carry is of more importance get the Wave. I hope that helps. Take care.
I got a surge today and noticed that all the inner tools have play when locked open, is this normal? I thought they were supposed to lock solid
I just checked my Surge and did notice a small amount of up and down play. I’ve never noticed it when I was using any of the tools and the play hasn’t increased over the last couple of years I’ve owned it. I’ve also never had a tool fail on me, so I’m not sure where that leaves us. I think it’s a pretty well built tool that’s pretty solid. Take care and stay safe.
@@TheBigCanucker thanks for checking, I really appreciate it. Take care
Good vid. What is that pop bit tool? I can’t find one. Thanks
The bit holder comes from the company I worked for before I got hurt called Wurth. There is a Wurth USA that I believe sells it. It’s still up in the air if I can recover enough to go back to work so if you can’t find one and I go back I can sell you one. I’ve got 6 or so on the list buddy. It’s just a regular bit holder that I ground down to fit the 2D bit Leatherman holder. Take care.
How do you get the S30V blade for the Surge? I have looked over the Leatherman site and can't seem to find it.
As far as I know Leatherman doesn't sell S30V blades. You are better off either buying a Surge new with the upgraded steel or look for an aftermarket seller online, ebay, or Etsey. Sorry I couldnt be more help. Take care.
I bought both before watching this
hello, nice vid, !..where i can find that bit set??...any link please??. thanks
Mario Yañez-Tadres shop.wurth.ca/general-tools/professional-hand-tools/drive-bits-allen-keys-sets/bit-assortments.
This link takes you to the page before the bit set when I click the link for bit set it gives me an error. They may be sold out. I will email my boss and find out. I’ve been off for a few years on medical so I’m not totally sure what scoop is with tools right now. Take care.
I like the adapters, you say you sell them ?
I used to been off work for a bit of time for surgeries, but you can always head to Wurth Canada and buy one online. I hope that helps.
For some reason I only ever end up cutting my nails with the scissors
This is what you do you take the wave you grab a half inch round pipe with the needle nose and smash it with a hammer and break the tip off the needle nose they’ll give you a brand new one with the removable cutters, yeah I know it’s dirty play but it’s guaranteed for life
Lol good point.
, I sent my surge in last year for a new blade and they sent me a brand new tool I don’t know why I was pissed because mine was so broken and loose but it is what it is
@@TheBigCanucker That’s what my buddy did someone gave him a Leatherman wave about 12 years ago they kept it outside in the back of a pick up truck so it was pretty rusty, he knocked the rust off with a wire wheel and I guess he wasn’t happy so he broke the needle nose being that’s the only part they can’t replace so they gave him a brand new wave
What do you think of Buck knives?
I totally love Buck knives and the Buck Marksman Pro is one of my grail knives plus Paul Bos does such a great job heat treating their steel.
If your creative either one. Youd be amazed what you can do with tools if your crearive.
You are absolutely right necessity is the mother of invention to coin a phrase.
Where can I buy the Wurth Bit Holder E. 6.3 (1/4) Magnet Self-Adjusting 614.811320 in the U.S.?
I’m sorry for the late reply it just popped up today. If you search one touch bit holder on Amazon us an identical one will pop up other then it’s different colour and not Wurth branded. Take care.
Love the Wave+, just dont get the black one...what a disappointment the finish on the black one is!
I haven’t tried Leathermans black finish yet thanks so much for the heads up. By the way what exactly is wrong with it? Take care and stay safe my friend.
@@TheBigCanucker Тhe black finish on my Wave is staining my hands, basically coming off
@@Quantarius Crappy.
@@Quantarius that’s pretty crappy, Leatherman has a pretty good warranty and just might replace it or replace it with a chrome one. If it’s coming off on your hand and your not happy give them a go at making it better.
Can you get the surge with an S30V blade directly from leatherman?
Sam Fletcher sorry I don’t think you can. I know there’s aftermarket blades in s30v and Damascus available.
Sorry. I keep editing my comment because I found your company after my first post.
Rob Lemoore No worries if you ever have any questions please feel free to email me at bigcanucker@gmail.com
Please! Can anyone please help me!! My girl and I have been looking all over the web for about an hour maybe two going on 10 hours trying to figure out what this tool is on my multi-tool tet set. It is a Schrade brand multi-tool pliers and it's that freaking tool on there that is like just like a solid like rectangle like at the cube it's cute but it doesn't I don't know what I'm supposed to use it for
Hey guys I’m not sure which tool your thinking of, but if you either take a pic of it and email me at bigcanucker@gmail.com or leave a link to the tool page or picture I can look it up and hopefully help. Thanks for stopping by I hope I can help take care.
How do you get S30V on a Surge? I've never seen that option
Sorry I don’t have S30 on the Surge, it’s been a bit since I recorded this video, but I think I was mentioning there are some aftermarket S30v blades out there and I would like to get one. I will have to rewatch and see for sure. Take care.
Lol at 11:28 when he sets the surge down and the whole table shakes 😂
Lol I told you it was heavy.
Never owned one but thinking of changing that. Bought an iPad last year for the first time. I can see what the fuss is about and I wish i had got one years ago. So using that theory I’m trying to decide the best one I won’t need to upgrade.
Either one is a great tool it mostly depends on you. If your carrying on your belt most of the time I like the wave, but The Surge is a more capable tool and if your caring in a bag or don’t mind the extra size and weight on your belt the Surge is the one. I hope this helps take care.
so you prefer the Wave & Surge over the Super Tool 300?
Kenji Fox I haven’t had the opportunity to EDC a Supertool 300, but it looks like a great tool.
@@TheBigCanucker oh hey; I have the ST300, I don't EDC with it because it's heavy, but I bought it to keep in my desk at work (work in IT). I need another multi for my personal car, so I might get the Surge.
Kenji Fox In my opinion the Surge is a more capable tool then the wave due to its size and tool config, but it's way heavier then the wave so if it's going to sit in your car the Surge is the way to go, but if you are going to EDC on your belt the Wave is way more comfortable to carry at least for me. Hope this helps buddy.
@@TheBigCanucker definitely helps! thanks and cheers!
How do I buy your modified bit set?
Arlene Wolf you can try here shop.wurth.ca/?gclid=CjwKCAjw4MP5BRBtEiwASfwAL2reFJd_8DVxKiYn240rn7xfFygXymuQj4EjJbsXEV2nhQgW55zH1RoCnX8QAvD_BwE I hope this helps take care.