Please go check out the hunters and drop their streams a follow! Also, be nice to them in the comments. 🙂 mys3cretskill (shelby) www.twitch.tv/mys3cretskill skitter www.twitch.tv/skitter_hk slyzian www.twitch.tv/slyzian
15:47 I think thats a great idea for a mod. I'm going to collect every charm you like and build a boss out of it. That sounds like fun, maybe I add a few secrets😄
i feel like there's infinite potential to create cool gimmicks with the powers... like, any mod, any superpower you can imagine could work? Could fire beat the game with 4 ballistic missile knights that are heat seeking and will oneshot him??? who knows??? you'll find out when the video drops!
Could do a "radiant" hunter Vs speedrunner where both hunters and fire die in one hit (only if they're hit by another player). Add a time limit and have the penalty for death be a time penalty.
The power of spamming hits and Menderbug having a personal vendetta against me worked out... honestly, better than I thought it would! Thanks for hosting :)
21:10 "I'm fully expecting him to show up and immediately try to fireball me and if I can dodge that, it would be very cool" 21:43 *Fireballed twice in a row*
This is gonna be so sweet, I needed something to cheer me up, I got a concussion and can’t play soccer or run so I’m kinda down, just what I needed thanks fire!
I always get excited when I see a speedrunner vs hunters video drop as well lmao. I'm sorry you got a concussion, being hindered like that must really suck. I'd just feel really bad if I didn't warn you though, looking at electronic screens can be just as dangerous as running around when it comes to concussions. I just want you to be safe and healthy. Much love and god bless you
I think the change from putting a timer on the speedrunner to steel soul had such a positive effect. It more effectively balances the offensive/defensive parts of both sides -- the hunters are forced to be aggressive since you'll win if you aren't hindered, but you still have to go after upgrades early game so that you're not outclassed by the end. And it adds stakes to any conflict, which makes evasion and stealth much more important.
shelby hitting herself to teleport right next to fire was a power move ngl. I love watching those, its very adrenaline inducing even while not playing, and i cant possibly imagine what it must be while playing haha. Love watching everyone outsmart the others, this is probably my favourite Hollow knight content !
7:33 To be fair if explained, it sounds like he has schizophrenia "There's an invisible man after me. They're hiding inside the walls." Even though it is true, you'd expect someone believing that to check for threats anywhere.
the neuron activation when I heard kether battle 3 start playing at roughly 15:03 was crazy PM music is so good that it finds a way into every aspect of my life and i never expect it to
Impossible for fire to win after claw they just have to split up one by one to get all the dreamers fire won’t have the time or necessary abilities to counter that unless you heavenly nerf the speed runners to one mask each at the beginning and with gaining each dreamers they gain a mask.👀✌🏻
@@Arkane_Ebony Not impossible at all lol, if he kills one of them when they're going for a dreamer, someone's still going to have to get that dreamer. Plus, in every other part of the run they're bottlenecked a lot more
@@orangenostrilin that instance, he's be forced to guard the same spot for the entire rest of the attempt otherwise they'll just sneak it when he isn't there. That's boring to watch And to play
If Fire could bench warp or maybe started with Crystal Dash or similar, and/or "killing a runner teleports all other runners to a random room" or similar, it could work.
@@mothichorror446 Only if that's the only objective he couldn't guard, and still only in that specific part of the run. The strategy would probably be to ambush them and try to pick one of them off at false knight, or hornet, or claw, or dream nail, or crystal dash, _or_ any of the dreamers if it gets to that point, and then track/chase down individual people when there's only a couple left (Now that I think about it, it's basically dead by daylight lol)
The potential of HK Superpowers is surprisingly vast even when you limit yourself to mostly charm-based powers with little to no modding required, which makes it quite fun to come up with some ideas-although there's still the issue of testing for balance purposes, of course. Examples of my own (with some missing weaknesses) include : • The Flash : Sprintmaster + Dashmaster (+ Shade Cloak and Sharp Shadow?) • The Grubmaster : Grubsong + Grubberfly's Elegy (Grub skin is a must, obviously :P) • The Striker : Longnail + Mark of Pride + Quick Slash (basically a mod-free Spammer) • The Nailmaster : reduced movement speed (including increased dash cooldown and such), but NMG + all three Nail Arts • The Tank : increased HP, but takes Heavy Blow knockback (could also potentially have Dreamshield?) I also recently saw a mod turning the Knight into a playable Radiance, with a modified moveset. That could make for a fun one-off...assuming it's even possible to balance properly :V
you should do one where you also have a superpower!! it would be interesting to see how creative you can get playing in a way you've never played before ❤❤
15:02 HOLY FUCK THE SLEEPERS AGENTS DID IT, WE GOT HIM TO USE PROJECT MOON MUSIC. THE DISEASE SHALL SPREAD, THE BRAINROT IS HERE. ALL HAIL THE GOD GAMER AND KIM JIHOON
I just had an idea for a new potential superpower, one person who is muted in hunter vc, but can lifeline at any time, thus having the info but being unable to spread it And for balancing issues potentially slowing them down in some way could help with that
@@pichu7945 I just thought of a solution, make them slower as well, then they can sort of point but will never be able to directly catch up to fire unless he makes a mistake
@@pichu7945 not by straight up chasing, but they can put consistent and constant pressure, it's actually kind of like how early humans could hunt by just constantly following. And while fireborn can outrun, any time he stops the hunter would just get closer, and he also can't really hide to escape so I think it would work quite well. It also doesn't need to be a super large speed decrease because even a slight one would be effective
I have another potential version. You know how in room rando you can get the arrows to guide you through transitions to certain rooms? What if that person just gets those? Every time the hunter changes rooms, it’ll update. It will always point towards the transition that’ll take them the closest to Fire. It’ll vanish if they reach the room Fire is in. I don’t know what, if anything, should be done balance wise.
The synced transition in Storeroom was beautiful. How would things have gone differently had either of you reached it a couple seconds late, I wonder? 32:44
I can't quite put my finger on why, but this one felt so much more intense than the others. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that with both an invis and a no-clip they were able to track him for much longer periods of time which let the others keep playing aggressive? (at least for the moments when they knew where Fire was)
This series has been getting better and better as time goes on, and it already started out incredibly entertaining! The improvement is really showing here, with high edit quality and the excellent addition of picture-in-picture. And, I’m fairly certain this has been the case for a few videos, but I didn’t comment on those, so I might as well say here: The newer small “subtitles” for what you’re thinking/planning during the run are genuinely a fantastic upgrade over the original big textboxes, as small of a change as it is. Not to mention the incredible care and thought that’s been put into balancing all this, both the base modifications to the game/ruleset of Vesselhunt, and this extra-modded powerup variant. I hope you keep making these! They’re always a joy to watch, thank you all for putting so much time and effort into them.
@@thestonemason7413I'm watching this late at night, I was kinda sleepy throughout the video, then this theme started... INSTANTLY woke up. Brain activated.
This was one of the most fun episodes in this series ! This series is the best when it's pretty close. A few ideas for some more powers: - The Engineer: The ability to spawn an enemy. Specifically, I think the greenpath shooter plant might be a good option. (As if the hunter is placing down turrets) and the greepath flytrap. - The Aspid: Instead of healing, when focusing, does a primal aspid attack aimed at fireborn. (+ lower souls consumption on heal) - The Darkness: While healing, brings a darknest-like darkness to the room the hunter is in for fireborn. (+ deepfocus)
This could be fun except for the part where Fire fairly consistently wins when four are all working together and sharing all their info, splitting the competition would only work in his favor. There would need to be some other factor at play, like maybe Fire has to do True Ending or something.
Goodness these videos are my favorite evening treat right now ☺️ thank you so much to all involved! Such an entertaining way to share this beautiful game. Thanks Fire!
here to gently advocate for either more time between lifelines or no lifelines at all. the old games w/o lifelines were great because you could outsmart and lose them so it added a lot of variety to the way it would play out. the hunters could never be 100% sure they knew what objectives you had left. with lifelines it leads to every game just being the hunters on your a** the entire time. we got a glimpse of that at 27:00 when you nearly managed to get crystal dash without them knowing but then they lifelined. especially with the superpowers that makes it easier to track you, lifelines just feel like overkill imo
They lost me several times in this game, and I already implemented rule changes which considerably scaled back hunter hints. I know there have been games where the hunters were on me the whole time, but I don't feel this was one of them. That was moreso a problem with the audio hints in previous games which aren't in this one. And was seeing me about to enter Peak bad for the game? It slipped their minds that I might take the literal intended route through the game, City > Peak, lol. They should have been able to roughly infer my relic count from the route I took (GP > Fungal > left side City) since they saw me at Shrumal Ogres from the left and at City Crest entrance. They should have been more worried about Lemm > Lantern. Since they weren't, I got through left side City, one of the more dangerous PVP zones for free. Without that lifeline, I'd get City for free, Peak for free, and could do whatever I wanted from there. Potentially clear Beast's Den or kill Uumuu for free. If I nabbed DN after, they might not even be covering it at that point. IMO, that's way too much of a snowball off of one silly mistake from the hunters. And to be clear, that is not me "big-braining" or "outplaying" them. That is me taking intended casual routes and passing through multiple areas unnoticed because they missed me one time. The old ruleset videos might superficially feel like hunters are being outplayed by a "gigabrain speedrunner", but generally I was just doing whatever I wanted because they had no choice but to camp dreamers, lol. I feel the novelty of the old ruleset would have definitely worn thin for viewers by now just because of the sheer amount of time hunters had to spend camping. Which was something that virtually everyone complained (rightly) about, by the way.
@@fireb0rn fair enough. Still, it would be cool to see hunters rely on strategic placement, critical thinking, an analyzation of audio cues to find you though.
@@fireb0rn appreciate the full reply, I'm sorry if I came off as more aggro than intended in my initial comment. On reflection it probably just felt like they were on you constantly due to the editing understandably biasing towards showing the fights and cutting out the minutes you're all just wandering around. I guess to me the moments from the early videos where you are able to lose them stand out as highlights of those vids, but I get that that format would have settled into hunters having to camp and it growing stale. Either way these videos are great
The music choice is on point this time around! I think some of those recommendations from the community post paid off! (Assuming these songs were edited in after that post) I love knowing where a ton of these themes come from too, it’s so cool to see music from games I like showing up in these videos!
34:47 "If he makes this into a TH-cam video the comments are gonna roast us." "We killed him once for the record." "But they don't know that!" Hahaha now we do thank you! :D XD
One of my favorite episodes so far! Having the invisible player AND the noclip player be able to keep tabs on you makes for a much more consistent engagement level, I think. Also 39:22 based Pseudoregalia bop
I really want to see you get the Carefree melody charm one of theses runs... It certainly possible, & most of the Grimm Kin fights are out of the way... Do you think it would be worth is in one of theses or na?
"Could he already have beaten Soul Master? I don't think so" They forgot that they are talking about fire here. "I wonder if he went to Isma's" Shortly after message giving everyone Isma's tear appeared 😂 I love how they couldn't find you even after using lifeline, lmao.
These kinds of videos are my favorite content by you. It'd be great to have ALL of you in the same voice server for some sessions for added chaos, but you do you :D
These matches are always the most fun when the hunter team is well coordinated. If everyone is communicating and playing to each other's strengths then there's less time where Fire is dashing around unchallenged and more PvP moments. Good job to everyone this time around! Too bad they pretty much lost track of him entirely after leaving crystal peaks the first time.
This version of the superpowers is just paranoia mode for the runner "everywhere I go there's someone in the walls trying to kill me and there's an invisible man following me everywhere I go, plus someone who attacks so fast time stops for me if I fight back (also a stinky one)" lmao
Aside from the incredible gameplay on both Fires and the hunters side: I honestly sometimes just turn on these videos in the background while i do other stuff, simply cause i love listening to the hunters. They are always so fun to listen to their working together, stratigizing and just hearing them having fun. ❤
I like that the new combination of powers encourages the hunters to gather information and hunt quieter and more actively, it felt like the hunters were more on top of Fire for most of the video.
Ohhh all new music! Loving the inclusion of Metroid Dread for the music. Might be worth adjusting the volume levels during the exciting chase/boss sequences as it can be a strain to hear the hunters dialogue. Love the new edits with hunter POV
I like how HopeStoryteller correctly predicted Fire would immediately fireball them and was saying how cool it'd be if they dodged it. They then proceeded to get read super hard and land on a fireball twice in a row.
29:39 That was the last grub I got when I played because I suck with timed movements. I tried at least 30 times before getting it and you just waltz in like it’s nothing. 😂 amazing as always fire.
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2 speed runners vs 5 hunters when 👀
One of these runs you should do all of the coliseum and/or godhome just for fun. They'll think twice, that's for sure
fireborn my heart drops when you drop a new video they are TOO FIRE
15:47 I think thats a great idea for a mod. I'm going to collect every charm you like and build a boss out of it. That sounds like fun, maybe I add a few secrets😄
love the superpower hunters series keep it up please
i feel like there's infinite potential to create cool gimmicks with the powers... like, any mod, any superpower you can imagine could work? Could fire beat the game with 4 ballistic missile knights that are heat seeking and will oneshot him??? who knows??? you'll find out when the video drops!
We will be waiting
Speedrunner vs 4 Hunters but the Hunters have pre-nerf Flukenest
BlueSR are you gonna beat fire next time you guys have a competition
Fire already did the Radiance orbs everywhere mod.
Could have a hunter spawn Rad orbs instead of a spell though.
Could do a "radiant" hunter Vs speedrunner where both hunters and fire die in one hit (only if they're hit by another player).
Add a time limit and have the penalty for death be a time penalty.
I laughed out loud when skitter walked right by fire before moss knight.... "I'm sure I woulda seen him if he was hiding in the corner"
17:20 “Hes one health right now” meanwhile Fire at 4 masks
If you're playing a multiplayer game you're required to yell "he's one shot" even if your opponent has taken no damage. It's the law.
To be fair, they probably forgot to factor in the 6th mask and the lifeblood without which he would have been at 1. It sure is pretty funny though
classic
The power of spamming hits and Menderbug having a personal vendetta against me worked out... honestly, better than I thought it would! Thanks for hosting :)
you are so annoying
Are you the same hopestoryteller who writes on ao3 by any chance?
Don't mind me, just giving my kudos.
The bug types in this region do be wildin fr
21:10 "I'm fully expecting him to show up and immediately try to fireball me and if I can dodge that, it would be very cool" 21:43 *Fireballed twice in a row*
XD
Getting to play as invis again was so fun! Thanks for letting me change the powers hahah
This is gonna be so sweet, I needed something to cheer me up, I got a concussion and can’t play soccer or run so I’m kinda down, just what I needed thanks fire!
Get better soon!
@@ericaston8982 a brain damage? Get better soon and do what you enjoy
I always get excited when I see a speedrunner vs hunters video drop as well lmao. I'm sorry you got a concussion, being hindered like that must really suck. I'd just feel really bad if I didn't warn you though, looking at electronic screens can be just as dangerous as running around when it comes to concussions. I just want you to be safe and healthy. Much love and god bless you
I think the change from putting a timer on the speedrunner to steel soul had such a positive effect. It more effectively balances the offensive/defensive parts of both sides -- the hunters are forced to be aggressive since you'll win if you aren't hindered, but you still have to go after upgrades early game so that you're not outclassed by the end. And it adds stakes to any conflict, which makes evasion and stealth much more important.
shelby hitting herself to teleport right next to fire was a power move ngl. I love watching those, its very adrenaline inducing even while not playing, and i cant possibly imagine what it must be while playing haha. Love watching everyone outsmart the others, this is probably my favourite Hollow knight content !
it was a gamble and it paid off lol!
7:33 To be fair if explained, it sounds like he has schizophrenia "There's an invisible man after me. They're hiding inside the walls." Even though it is true, you'd expect someone believing that to check for threats anywhere.
THEIR IN THE GOSH DANG WALLS
the neuron activation when I heard kether battle 3 start playing at roughly 15:03 was crazy
PM music is so good that it finds a way into every aspect of my life and i never expect it to
🤝Library of Ruina jumpscare, hell yeah
I've been fully converted into a sleeper agent; the moment I heard it I paused everything and ran for the comments, haha
I suggested it on the community post he made, so I'm glad to see it make it in!
The fellow sleeper agents are taking their time fr
Has Fireborn played it?
1 hunter vs 4 speedrunners, Fire tries to kill the speedrunners before they can complete the game, their progress is combined
Impossible for fire to win after claw they just have to split up one by one to get all the dreamers fire won’t have the time or necessary abilities to counter that unless you heavenly nerf the speed runners to one mask each at the beginning and with gaining each dreamers they gain a mask.👀✌🏻
@@Arkane_Ebony Not impossible at all lol, if he kills one of them when they're going for a dreamer, someone's still going to have to get that dreamer. Plus, in every other part of the run they're bottlenecked a lot more
@@orangenostrilin that instance, he's be forced to guard the same spot for the entire rest of the attempt otherwise they'll just sneak it when he isn't there. That's boring to watch And to play
If Fire could bench warp or maybe started with Crystal Dash or similar, and/or "killing a runner teleports all other runners to a random room" or similar, it could work.
@@mothichorror446 Only if that's the only objective he couldn't guard, and still only in that specific part of the run. The strategy would probably be to ambush them and try to pick one of them off at false knight, or hornet, or claw, or dream nail, or crystal dash, _or_ any of the dreamers if it gets to that point, and then track/chase down individual people when there's only a couple left
(Now that I think about it, it's basically dead by daylight lol)
Yesssss, so excited to watch it!! 🤩 Hope you are doing well, fireb0rn 🤗
Hope you're doing well too Marion!
The potential of HK Superpowers is surprisingly vast even when you limit yourself to mostly charm-based powers with little to no modding required, which makes it quite fun to come up with some ideas-although there's still the issue of testing for balance purposes, of course.
Examples of my own (with some missing weaknesses) include :
• The Flash : Sprintmaster + Dashmaster (+ Shade Cloak and Sharp Shadow?)
• The Grubmaster : Grubsong + Grubberfly's Elegy (Grub skin is a must, obviously :P)
• The Striker : Longnail + Mark of Pride + Quick Slash (basically a mod-free Spammer)
• The Nailmaster : reduced movement speed (including increased dash cooldown and such), but NMG + all three Nail Arts
• The Tank : increased HP, but takes Heavy Blow knockback (could also potentially have Dreamshield?)
I also recently saw a mod turning the Knight into a playable Radiance, with a modified moveset. That could make for a fun one-off...assuming it's even possible to balance properly :V
YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHH CALAMITY MUSIC 🎵🎵🎵 🔥🔥🔥
YEAHHhhHhhHh!
SOMEBODY SCREAMMMMM!!! 🎵🎵🎵
Two songs in one video!
yea was wondering if others picked up on it
DEVOURER OF GODS MY FAVOURITE LESSSSS GOOOOOOOO
you should do one where you also have a superpower!! it would be interesting to see how creative you can get playing in a way you've never played before ❤❤
He already does have a superpower: it super speed running!
the ruina ost at 15:00 was such a mental flashbang.
The Kether 3 jumpscare
15:02 HOLY FUCK THE SLEEPERS AGENTS DID IT, WE GOT HIM TO USE PROJECT MOON MUSIC.
THE DISEASE SHALL SPREAD, THE BRAINROT IS HERE. ALL HAIL THE GOD GAMER AND KIM JIHOON
Perhaps, we could say...
*_The multitude tightens its hold..._*
you shall gangnam as I have
Kether 3 jumpscare
calamity mod community and project moon community rushing to be the first one to post about how a youtuber used one of their games tracks:
@@rosy-goldmoth trueeeeeee
I just had an idea for a new potential superpower, one person who is muted in hunter vc, but can lifeline at any time, thus having the info but being unable to spread it
And for balancing issues potentially slowing them down in some way could help with that
@@Goteryup the only problem I see with this is everyone following this one person around
@@pichu7945 I just thought of a solution, make them slower as well, then they can sort of point but will never be able to directly catch up to fire unless he makes a mistake
@@Goteryup true, but they'll never be a threat in a fight, with the runner being able to get away easily
@@pichu7945 not by straight up chasing, but they can put consistent and constant pressure, it's actually kind of like how early humans could hunt by just constantly following. And while fireborn can outrun, any time he stops the hunter would just get closer, and he also can't really hide to escape so I think it would work quite well. It also doesn't need to be a super large speed decrease because even a slight one would be effective
I have another potential version. You know how in room rando you can get the arrows to guide you through transitions to certain rooms? What if that person just gets those? Every time the hunter changes rooms, it’ll update. It will always point towards the transition that’ll take them the closest to Fire. It’ll vanish if they reach the room Fire is in.
I don’t know what, if anything, should be done balance wise.
i really love the banter between the hunters, they contribute so much to the vibe of the videos, also amazing music choices:D
She silk on my song till I release
ambatusilk
The synced transition in Storeroom was beautiful. How would things have gone differently had either of you reached it a couple seconds late, I wonder? 32:44
I can't quite put my finger on why, but this one felt so much more intense than the others. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that with both an invis and a no-clip they were able to track him for much longer periods of time which let the others keep playing aggressive? (at least for the moments when they knew where Fire was)
This is my favorite hollow knight series! Keep it up ❤
34:35 nobody has done so I'll do it for you
🔥 🔥🔥🔥🔥Shelby🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
And no, you didn't kill him, if we can't see it it didn't happen.
I think she's referring to the previous superpower speedrun. The hunters did kill him once in that one.
@@dreadman7543 It's a joke. They do multiple runs and only a couple get shown. This time they had a run where they won quickly, and then this one.
Oh yeah he posted!!!
Im gonna pause my pantheon 5 run and watch this rn
37:00 Not him just casually doing this spike tunnel without using fireball that too first try
“But this time, it’s a rematch” killed me
This series has been getting better and better as time goes on, and it already started out incredibly entertaining!
The improvement is really showing here, with high edit quality and the excellent addition of picture-in-picture.
And, I’m fairly certain this has been the case for a few videos, but I didn’t comment on those, so I might as well say here: The newer small “subtitles” for what you’re thinking/planning during the run are genuinely a fantastic upgrade over the original big textboxes, as small of a change as it is.
Not to mention the incredible care and thought that’s been put into balancing all this, both the base modifications to the game/ruleset of Vesselhunt, and this extra-modded powerup variant.
I hope you keep making these! They’re always a joy to watch, thank you all for putting so much time and effort into them.
15:03 fire like library of ruina!1!1!1!1!1!1!1!1!1
@@headphonezzz_y you have no idea the neuron activation i experienced when i heard Kether battle 3 start playing
@@thestonemason7413I'm watching this late at night, I was kinda sleepy throughout the video, then this theme started... INSTANTLY woke up. Brain activated.
@@thestonemason7413 It feels so weird without the gangman style added on top of it.
Them being faster than you is a big disadvantage
Here's a random idea, speed runner vs hunters but one of the hunters is a spy that helps fire.
Boosfer fan??
Like it actually
Sir Fireborne the god gamer. We shall honor thee.
the choice to use Dokuro music and then into Ruina made me so happy lol
Genuinely left the dumbest smile on my face when the Pseudoregalia music started playing, was NOT expecting that-
32:44 just love when the hunters unknowingly cross paths with fire.
This was one of the most fun episodes in this series !
This series is the best when it's pretty close.
A few ideas for some more powers:
- The Engineer: The ability to spawn an enemy. Specifically, I think the greenpath shooter plant might be a good option. (As if the hunter is placing down turrets) and the greepath flytrap.
- The Aspid: Instead of healing, when focusing, does a primal aspid attack aimed at fireborn. (+ lower souls consumption on heal)
- The Darkness: While healing, brings a darknest-like darkness to the room the hunter is in for fireborn. (+ deepfocus)
How about Fireb0rn vs 2 teams of 2 hunters, first team to kill fire wins
This could be fun except for the part where Fire fairly consistently wins when four are all working together and sharing all their info, splitting the competition would only work in his favor. There would need to be some other factor at play, like maybe Fire has to do True Ending or something.
@@JoshTheValiantOr they just show every game Fire loses first.
You could add more hunters, 6 hunters, 3 on each team
This match was so fun😂
I love the music ya play in these videos. They are already so fun and the music just adds so much more. Keep it up y'all
Goodness these videos are my favorite evening treat right now ☺️ thank you so much to all involved! Such an entertaining way to share this beautiful game. Thanks Fire!
here to gently advocate for either more time between lifelines or no lifelines at all. the old games w/o lifelines were great because you could outsmart and lose them so it added a lot of variety to the way it would play out. the hunters could never be 100% sure they knew what objectives you had left. with lifelines it leads to every game just being the hunters on your a** the entire time. we got a glimpse of that at 27:00 when you nearly managed to get crystal dash without them knowing but then they lifelined. especially with the superpowers that makes it easier to track you, lifelines just feel like overkill imo
I second this
They lost me several times in this game, and I already implemented rule changes which considerably scaled back hunter hints. I know there have been games where the hunters were on me the whole time, but I don't feel this was one of them. That was moreso a problem with the audio hints in previous games which aren't in this one.
And was seeing me about to enter Peak bad for the game? It slipped their minds that I might take the literal intended route through the game, City > Peak, lol. They should have been able to roughly infer my relic count from the route I took (GP > Fungal > left side City) since they saw me at Shrumal Ogres from the left and at City Crest entrance. They should have been more worried about Lemm > Lantern. Since they weren't, I got through left side City, one of the more dangerous PVP zones for free. Without that lifeline, I'd get City for free, Peak for free, and could do whatever I wanted from there. Potentially clear Beast's Den or kill Uumuu for free. If I nabbed DN after, they might not even be covering it at that point. IMO, that's way too much of a snowball off of one silly mistake from the hunters.
And to be clear, that is not me "big-braining" or "outplaying" them. That is me taking intended casual routes and passing through multiple areas unnoticed because they missed me one time. The old ruleset videos might superficially feel like hunters are being outplayed by a "gigabrain speedrunner", but generally I was just doing whatever I wanted because they had no choice but to camp dreamers, lol. I feel the novelty of the old ruleset would have definitely worn thin for viewers by now just because of the sheer amount of time hunters had to spend camping. Which was something that virtually everyone complained (rightly) about, by the way.
@@fireb0rn fair enough. Still, it would be cool to see hunters rely on strategic placement, critical thinking, an analyzation of audio cues to find you though.
@@fireb0rn appreciate the full reply, I'm sorry if I came off as more aggro than intended in my initial comment. On reflection it probably just felt like they were on you constantly due to the editing understandably biasing towards showing the fights and cutting out the minutes you're all just wandering around. I guess to me the moments from the early videos where you are able to lose them stand out as highlights of those vids, but I get that that format would have settled into hunters having to camp and it growing stale. Either way these videos are great
Love these videos. Glad you're still making them!
Samee
9:45 was not ready for terraria music
@@churrotree2293 calamity DoG music at that.
Servants of the Scourge going hard as usual
DoG jumpscare
Posted this at the perfect time 🙏 bouta eat some lasagna and have a good night
lasagna...
The music choice is on point this time around! I think some of those recommendations from the community post paid off! (Assuming these songs were edited in after that post) I love knowing where a ton of these themes come from too, it’s so cool to see music from games I like showing up in these videos!
15:02 Is this a Project Moon Reference???
Curtains time.
Eyes buttered.
Red mist skin would go hard
Release the Project Moon sleeper agents!
2 calamity mod songs to 1 project moon songs, us calamityers win big as usual
15:00 PROJECT MOON MUSIC DETECTED, PROJECT MOON SLEEPER AGENTS ACTIVATE!!!!!!
@@MrSpherical05 GLORY TO PROJECT MOON
CALAMITY MOD RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
34:47 "If he makes this into a TH-cam video the comments are gonna roast us." "We killed him once for the record." "But they don't know that!" Hahaha now we do thank you! :D XD
One of my favorite episodes so far! Having the invisible player AND the noclip player be able to keep tabs on you makes for a much more consistent engagement level, I think.
Also 39:22 based Pseudoregalia bop
39:17 big heal
I watch alot of these videos and noticed the music had some new tracks (Octopath for one). Really great choice on the music!
Video was great!
Cant wait for Nine Sols multiplayer.
I've seen all your Speedrunner vs. Hunters vids and this was by far the most intense Crossroads gameplay you guys have done 😂
I love the DoG theme. Hearing it here was a welcome surprise.
loving the calamity and pseudoregalia music
Also, that chase in early fungal was stressful
14:44 that fight was actually so satisfying and looked really cool
YESSSS OCTOPATH MUSIC!!! and that perfectly timed parry in the broken elevator shaft on 1hp had me gasping genuinely
the added OSTs are so nice!! great video as always, super funny and captivating
This has gotta be my favorite one so far! The different powers make for a really interesting dynamic b/w the two parties.
I really admire your restraint, every time the hunters are confidently wrong I would have put 'teehee' on screen or added a soundboard style effect
I love these vids.
I personally find it hilarious when they call "he's gotta be one health right now" when sitting at almost full masks.
Shelby's joy at every single hit is some real positive energy that I wish I had in my life.
Terraria Calamity? Octopath Traveler? Crypt of the Necrodancer? Fireborn, your music choices were an absolute 10/10 this episode, my regards!
Always has been. Especially when he uses Metal Gear Solid sneaking or encounter music.
The times when they missed each other at transitions were insane. Really good edits here. Another fun video. Thanks. :)
I really want to see you get the Carefree melody charm one of theses runs... It certainly possible, & most of the Grimm Kin fights are out of the way... Do you think it would be worth is in one of theses or na?
It's a decent option, it's just kinda annoying to route in
this was awesome ! this hunter group had such a great energy and was able to deal with loosing you so many times brilliantly.
Omg, I thought I was just clicking the old one to rewatch it!!! What a treat!
Same
These are always so fun to watch! Thanks for continuing to come up with creative challenges.
32:42 such a beautifly timed transition, even tho its obviously unintentional xD
fire you can't just library of ruina jumpscare me i was not prepared for that music
(also editing was good c:)
"Could he already have beaten Soul Master? I don't think so"
They forgot that they are talking about fire here.
"I wonder if he went to Isma's"
Shortly after message giving everyone Isma's tear appeared 😂
I love how they couldn't find you even after using lifeline, lmao.
oh my God, perfect timing. I was just looking for another one of these. love your content fireborn.
These kinds of videos are my favorite content by you. It'd be great to have ALL of you in the same voice server for some sessions for added chaos, but you do you :D
These matches are always the most fun when the hunter team is well coordinated. If everyone is communicating and playing to each other's strengths then there's less time where Fire is dashing around unchallenged and more PvP moments. Good job to everyone this time around! Too bad they pretty much lost track of him entirely after leaving crystal peaks the first time.
Last night I was rewatching old vesselhunts thinking "damn I want a new video so bad" then went to bed and woke up to a new hunt. What a great service
This version of the superpowers is just paranoia mode for the runner "everywhere I go there's someone in the walls trying to kill me and there's an invisible man following me everywhere I go, plus someone who attacks so fast time stops for me if I fight back (also a stinky one)" lmao
Oh this was one of the most fun ones! Love the powersets, these hunter vids get more balanced and polished with each run :]
haha time to roast the hunters in the youtube comments. if I were them I totally would’ve (checks notes) lost
18:31 "Congratulations on becoming a Fool Eater!" 😂
i love how the beginning is just fire playing normally with two hunters hiding in the room
27:00 “I’m gonna poke around and edge here” -shelby
9:41 did not expect to hear Scourge of the Universe in a Fireborn video, lmao. Welcome addition though!
It’d be cool if you guys did a speed runner vs hunters randomizer. You’d have to change the rules but I feel like it could be pretty fun to watch.
Aside from the incredible gameplay on both Fires and the hunters side:
I honestly sometimes just turn on these videos in the background while i do other stuff, simply cause i love listening to the hunters.
They are always so fun to listen to their working together, stratigizing and just hearing them having fun. ❤
The stink poofer winning feels like a redemption of some sort, but for the life of me I cannot figure out how to explain that.
I like that the new combination of powers encourages the hunters to gather information and hunt quieter and more actively, it felt like the hunters were more on top of Fire for most of the video.
Ohhh all new music! Loving the inclusion of Metroid Dread for the music. Might be worth adjusting the volume levels during the exciting chase/boss sequences as it can be a strain to hear the hunters dialogue. Love the new edits with hunter POV
The hunters being so confused while he got descending dark was priceless!
I can't even describe how happy I get when Fire posts one of these, the highlight of the day fr
Kether Battle 3 Got me way more hyped than im willing to admit. Project moon does not miss
It's really great to see one where you lose late like that. Normally, they either get you early in crossroads or you just run away with the game.
I like how HopeStoryteller correctly predicted Fire would immediately fireball them and was saying how cool it'd be if they dodged it. They then proceeded to get read super hard and land on a fireball twice in a row.
The “He’s here” callouts are ELITE lol.
The calamity soundtrack hits hard, I was so surprised when I heard it playing. Good choice!
29:39 That was the last grub I got when I played because I suck with timed movements. I tried at least 30 times before getting it and you just waltz in like it’s nothing. 😂 amazing as always fire.
i love the crypt of the necrodancer music! great choice (also this was an incredible run gg)
Sly with the hard carry kill! Honestly thought it was pretty over when you got an almost free watchers, but ended very unexpectedly. GG
Fireb0rn's brain working overtime on these speedrunner v hunters video.