The state of modern motherboards is just disgusting, prices keep going up and quality keeps going down, thank you for guiding me away from the bad boards!
Man I don't think you could've made a more perfect video for me today. Thank you so much. All 4 of the boards I was considering were compared... and the structure of your video as well as the testing and explanations of "out of the box vs tampering with bios" were so insanely helpful. Thank you so much man.
Great video man! It's exactly what I've been searching for for the past 3days. Really helps if you are building a budget PC on LGA 1700 platform. Keep up the good work!
@@edsonufmg with what did you go with in the end? I am stuck with iGPU options for a while, so between AM4 and 1700, I might be forced to go former, as the latter's boards, even B660Ms are as expensive locally as i3-12100. 😔
I was looking for a video like this but then decided to gamble on MSI PRO B660M since their VRMs' specs look good. Glad I did! It can handle my i5-12600K pretty easily!
I couldnt decide which of these budgets boards to buy for my 12400, they all seemed much of a muchness, because of that it was actually the hardest decision to make lol. In the end I went with the MSI simply cos it had the 8 phase vrm. Looks like that was the right choice but I still wish a saw this vid earlier. Great work.
I have 12100f and maybe will someday upgrade to 12400f. I dont know what motherboard to buy, MSI PRO B660M-E DDR4 or MSI PRO B660M-A? Do u know the difference between them?
Just finished installing a 12400f on the gigabyte DS3H B660M (non AX). I run cinebench r23 on it and the scores came out the same with other 12400fs and despite the high temps ( high 80c range) there wasnt any vrm throttling or downclocking. Just make sure to flash the latest bios or it runs at least the F5 version. Mine came with the F6 and i flashed the F21 on it to take advantage of all the improvements overtime. Pretty decent mobo for a 12400.
Keep it up this was an excellent review much appreciate the work you put in for test in. I was really looking into the gigabyte with a 12400 new F5 bios will be fine but I preffred that msi looks like a much better board by far. O one thing Just don't sit so close to the camera!
@@imvalkyr i think is not good option for that cpu, asus prime are very weak boards which i recommender only for cpu like i3 or i5-12400F, asus tuf b660m-plus is a lot of better option
I bought Gigabyte B660M DS3H for i3 12100. I got it with F3 bios, so I've updatet it immedieatly to the latest one - F6b. It still underperformed slightly in Cinebench so I went to BIOS. Playing with power limits did't improve anything, since i3 consumes only 58W ant there is no bottleneck here (even on this board). I've finally disabled CPU power savings options in BIOS and CPU performance is adequate for i3 12100 since then (Tweaker -> Adv CPU Settings -> CPU EIST, Race To Halt, Energy Efficient Turbo: all to disabled). I would say there are two legimite, cost efective approaches to intel gen 12 topic: i3 + Gigabyte B660M DS3H (with updated BIOS) and i5 + MSI PRO B660M-A. Thanks to Premium builds for proffessional advice.
here's a easy way to sum up these boards Gigabyte B660M DS3H AX = best suited with i3 12100 Asrock B660M Pro RS = best suited with i3 12100 Asus Prime B660M-A Wifi = best suited with i5 12400 or i3 12100 Gigabyte B660 Gaming X AX = best suited with i5 12400 and can handle i5 12600 non K Asus Tuf Gaming B660M Plus Wifi = can handle i5 12400, 12500, and i7 12700 non K MSI Pro B660-A Wifi = i5 12400 is a breeze, and can even handle i5 12600K MSI Mag B660 Tomahawk Wifi = this board can flat out do it all except, i7 12700 K & i9 12900K is a little too much, but everything is good. by far the best price to performance board in my opinion is the MSI Pro B660M-A Wifi, VRM is very good for a board in this class, even better is the rear IO and the front panel connecters. and right now it's only $129 if you go with the non wifi version, but they also have one with wifi if you can find it. it's out of stock when i look at prices. the Tomahawk is good, but it's price makes it a hard buy when the VRM is about the same as the Pro. the only reason to buy the Tomahawk is for extra features and ports. im surprise the Gigabyte board didn't work out in that test, I've had Gigabyte in the past and had very little issues with them, but i haven't had a Gigabyte board in a long time.
Well, I just rebuilt my PC using a Mag B660M Mortar Wifi mobo, and it is FUCKING INSANE! Yes! CPU 13th gen i5 13600K, GPU GIGABYTE 3090TI, 64GBs of DDR5 5600 Ram (over clock with XMP 3.0), 850w plus 80 gold PSU, CoolerMaster MasterAir MA624 Dual Tower Air Cooler, Toshiba X300 8TB Performance & Gaming 3.5, Samsung 870 EVO 2TB 2.5, SAMSUNG 980 PRO SSD 2TB PCIe NVMe Gen 4 that I cloned my windows 10 pro OS to, as it is my boot drive now. I even figured out how to over clock and got my 3090TI's bench at Userbenchmark to 319% - My Gaming is at 333%, my desktop at 122% and my work station is 388%, and this is with 98% cpu background during bench testing. I've never done any of this before, really (to this extent), but it's amazing what you can pull off with a little (careful) research and paying close attention. There's really no rocket science in building a PC, that's for sure. My CPU never been over 70 degrees c, and my GPU stays at around 67 c. After I got everything where it needed to be, I set a cap on my frame frate to go only as high as my fastest monitor, which is 144Hz. I mainly play on my LG 65 CX monitor that is at 120Hz. There isn't any game that I tried that does maintaina steady 120 fps. I mean, it doesn't drop below that at all. Only issue I had was that I got the mobo, and though it do support 13th gen Intel CPUs, it didn't right out of the box. I installed a 13th gen chip in its LGA1700 slot, then at the end of it all, it turned on, but didn't boot. I just put two and two together after about 10 minutes of trying to figure out what was wrong. Noticed the red blinking light on the mobo, and learned that it was a CPU issue - as it clearly said under the flashing red light - 'cpu'. I knew the mobo I bought was a 12th gen with a LGA 1700 socket, so I figured the mobo needed just needed a BIOS update, or something. So, I bought a 12th gen chip from Amazon, booted up my PC with it (as the 12th gen chip worked as I expected it would), updated the mobo, installed my 13th gen chip, sent the 12th gen chip back to Amazon for a refund - Now, all of the amazing things that I am about to do with this incredibly fast, insanely powerful PC. I have done even more research and see that the Western Digital Black SN850 2TB M.2 is actually considerably faster than the Samsung 870, so I have ordered one that will be here on Friday that I will clone my boot drive onto, so that my PC can be even faster, and yeah, I'll install it onto the CPU M.2 slot, and not the chipset one. Some people don't know the difference, but I research everything. All this being said - The Mag B660M Mortar Wifi motherboard is Super Solid.
A point to note that the graphs show Asus TUF B660M, there are 2 boards under same name where the suffix is different. One is TUF Gaming B660M-E (the one tested here) and the TUF Gaming B660M-Plus the superior one with PCIe 5.0, better VRM, etc. and a Wi-Fi version of the same. The M-E does not have a Wi-Fi version.
Yep, It's the B660M-E under test throughout here. I do make reference to the fact there are at least 8 variants of a 'B660 TUF' around, that I've found, and people should be careful of the exact spec of the one they're looking at buying.
Thanks for the review!. Really like it . I have a B660m Tuf gaming-plus with 12600K with a 212 evo black edition rgb cooler, and it works good. Never overclocked any of my previous k-cpus, so this will be ok for me :)
@@Shadowat00 I use a EVGA BQ600 PSU in this computer. Its only 4+4 (that makes a 8 pin) cpu power connector. But you dont need to plug in the other on the mainboard.
@@Shadowat00 btw if you are planning to get this motherboard, I can tell you that the first ramslot near the cpu is not usuable with a evo 212-cooler, cause the fan is in the way. With Evo 212 you could mount the fan higher up (with a slight performance loss I guess), but with bigger coolers, it might be a bigger problem. but good thing is that hte first ram slot is for channel 2.. so you dont need it if you only use 2 sticks of ram
@@kaustubhx5452 its running with full power. (Up to 240watt, but never seen it go beyond 125watt) . And when I compare benchmarknumbers with z690 boards they are the same. I think the non k 12700 is a better buy but it was much more expensive my 12600k was 250usd on sale and the 12700 was 399.
Great comparison Edit: I have Asus TUF GAMING B660-e and its nice but consider to think about adding little money for plus version its not special but more usb are good with thunderboald with another heatsink for vrm
Excellent and very useful content. The fact that Gigabyte managed to (mostly) fix their issues with an update makes me hopeful that asrock can do the same. Come on, ASRock... Given that the Asus Prime board did well in these tests, I wonder if their prime h610 boards would handle the i5 CPUs well. It's one of the most affordable, and by far the most available h610 board in the US. It would be great to know there's a good sub $140 option for those value chips, and at $100-110 that could be a winner.
I read somewhere that their H610 board used the same VRM as the B660 prime board, if thats true i think the H610 would have no problem. Just check there is a heatsink on the VRM.
@@AndrewTSq The Asus Prime B660 and H610 boards are different (4 vs 2 RAM slots etc) , but visually seem to be using the same VRM designs. You may be thinking of the ASRock HDV H610m and B660m PCBs, which are seemingly identical. And yes, a fan directed at the VRM is a very good idea, especially when using a tower heatsink-fan or liquid cooling. The graph of the gigabyte board attempting to run a 12700k in this video absolutely looks like thermal throttling of the VRM to me. I strongly suspect that adding a fan (and Ideally better heatsinks) directed at the VRM would improve or possibly even eliminate those performance dips. I still wouldn't recommend that board for that CPU, but for a use like strictly gaming it would be fine
@@jomeyqmalone oh sorry, I only mean the VRM:s seem to be of the same design, meaning that the H610 from Asus is probably a good board from that regard. I think i saw it here on youtube, will check.. it was some foreign channel that made a 660 vs h610 test.
@@jomeyqmalone The H610 without heatsink from Asus has worse performance in games anyway, than the cheapest B660 prime. It was like 10fps difference in games (with i5-12400). will try to find the other test ive seen.
So as a heads up from an actual end user perspective i ended up having to return both this guy's top 2 B660 picks here, and which like many of you I assume had hoped to pair in a budget build with either a new gen I3 or i5. Due to the fact that I ran into the same issues many other actual endusers are in that pretty much all of these B660 are having serious real world stability and performance issues with the XMP feature. Which they keep trying, and failing, to push out bios updates that offers a clean fix.
Which two boards were they? And what RAM were you running? Whilst I've seen DDR5 Performance issues on Alder lake, DDR4 I really haven't seen anyone having issues with XMP profiles within the 'sensible' range.
MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4 and ASUS PRIME B660M-A. Started of with Crucial Ballistix DDR4 3600, but had to scratch that as beyond the false box specs claims it apparently turned out that the b660 motherboards can't run any ram 3600mhz or higher in gear 1 due to intel locking the voltage (to MSI somewhat credit they at least state as such if you dig up their beta bios notes on the forum. Only the more expensive Mortar and Tomahawk boards are labeled as improving non-K CPU DDR4 ram compatibility). Anything above 3200mhz in xmp mode just crashes the pc. As of right now all the beta build "fixes" for this do is just forces that incompatibility into gear 2, and which just achieves that additional stability at the cost of performance (fwiw MSI also makes official note: Intel had confirmed VCCSA lock on non-K CPU is according to the Intel specification. Until further notice from Intel, BIOS update cannot unlock the limitation). Wasn't looking to downgrade my ram back to my old Corsair Vengeance 3200 with the swap to a B660 in this machine, but prior to the returns using that + XMP off was basically my mandatory troubleshoot workaround if i wanted to avoid any BSoD in my multi hour MMO gaming sessions. Was easy enough from there to search around and find similar feedback from outside the benchmark review only crowd starting to weigh in on their own actual everyday gaming experiences.
@@michaelj2267 OK, that's really interesting. As I said, not something I experienced on either of these boards and I ran pretty extensive testing at 3600Mhz Cl16 G1. I'll dig into it more before the indiivdual reviews of these boards and included memory stabliity testing, as well as seeing where I can get to with the B-die kit I have.
@@michaelj2267 From another review in youtube, Kingston 3600 cl17 RAM was tested with MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4, the system can only run with 3600 in gear 2 or 3466 with tight timing for gear 1 even though he using 12700"k"...
I enjoyed this. Felt smooth to watch, was able to absorb the information well. What brought me here is that I am looking for the right budget motherboard for i3-12100F that can maximize its potential and have the right features for enough decent future-proofing. Going to run it with a 3050.
No need to explain the DS3H. It's always been a model that I wouldn't trust with anything more than an i3 in the best of circumstances. It's a cheap board for reasons. Asrock is pretty much in the same situation with anything other than their Taichi lines. it's interesting to see the Prime board be in the same arena as the Tomahawk. Other than the AMD x470, ASUS Prime boards have felt like a hot mess recently. Thank you for putting the work into this and delivering one of the better b660s round ups I've yet seen since their release.
What you say is true for the b560 and i5-11400. This board has no isues whatever with an i3 or i5. So no vrm problems with overheating or powerreduction or throttling. That was my fear to, Gigabyte fixed this.
@@BuildPicker can you confirm the Intel limitation of the VCCSA on the non-K CPU? It would be impossible to go with DDR4 at 3600mhz or more in Gear 1? What is the impact of Gear 2 in this case (best choice: 3200mhz@gear 1 or 3200mhz@gear2)? Thanks
Really great content - again! Thanks for the review! Good to see that some mid-range B660 boards can handle perfectly the 12700K. 4.7GHz allcore boost might be sufficient almost for everything. Keep up the excellent work and thanks for putting so much effort for proper (re)testings with different BIOS versions and power settings!
Valuable content. Thank you for doing this video! I was planning to put i9-13900k in that motherboard lol 😂 now the next candidate for me is Asus Prime Z690M... ✌️
will that be a good choice? (see below) Processor- i7-12700 Ram Stick- Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16 Desktop Memory Kit - Black (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16) Motherboard- MSI MAG B660M Mortar WiFi DDR4 SSD- Western Digital black SN850 500GB, PCIe Gen 4 SSD 7000MB/s R, 4100MB/s W CPU cabinet-Phanteks Metallic Gear Neo Air Mid Tower (White) Power supply-Cooler Master MWE 550 Bronze V2 230v, 80 Plus Bronze
I have JUST bought a Gigabyte B660M DS3H DDR4, not wifi edition and i am recieving a used I7 12700F CPU tomorrow. I need someone to straight up tell me whether to return my motherboard!
Hi, I see that a year had passed since your video and Asrock B660M Pro RS has since gotten 3 BIOSes. Would perhaps the board perform as expected now? I ask because I'm interested in buying one. Thank you
Astonishing amount of reliable information. I recently purchased the Gigabyte B660 Gaming X DDR4 and wish to put 12400f in it. My question is would it limit this cpu potential in any way apart from not being able to perform the bclk oc?
@@BuildPicker hi, i want to buy MSI PRO B660M-G DDR4 for i5 12400f.will it run fine at full load or will there be any limitations? Are vrm and phase power delivery enough? Please help me, i am too much confused!! Plz reply!
@@BuildPicker I was told that the Gaming X is practically the same as the DS3H version. Should I take Gaming X or even take MSI PRO? The third option is to pay extra for Asus TUF (it costs more in my country). Or is it an empty overpayment if I want everything to work out of the box for me?
@@stefan_es The Gaming X (note the X, there's also a gaming non X) is an upgrade over the DS3H with a better VRM and more rear USB ports. I'd take that or the MSI PRO B660M-A
@@BuildPicker Okay, but does the Gaming X no longer have the same performance issues as the DS3H in the video? Will it fully reveal the potential of 12400 in tasks? Or does it still perform worse than the MSI PRO B660M-A? For me, this is very important. I want to build a really powerful system. I am interested in your subjective opinion. What would you buy in my place if I don't want to mess around with the settings and still get good performance? Thanks in advance for your feedback!
I currently have an ASUS H610M-A with an outdated BIOS, which still gives me undervolt usage on my 12600K BUT I bought a Gen4 SSD which doesn't run at full speed on my H610. When researching cards, I'm between this Asrock Z690 (155 usd), MSI Pro B660m A Wifi (132 usd) and ASUS H770 Plus D4 (155 usd). that many reports on the internet say that it comes factory set with voltage above normal and that the undervolt in it is kind of complicated. I'm wondering if I really leave my H610 just because of the SSD... And there's still the VRM issue... Even the Z690 PG4 using DrMOS I don't know to what extent it's a better VRM than the H770 Plus D4 or the MSI Pro B660m A.
Can you please tell how did you remove/configure the PL's on MSI Pro660M-A motherboard ? to the CPU be the on the best possible performance, like it shows on the review test (255W) ? I've search around, but i don't find the answer. And, on my Pro660M-A im getting the "default" test results (65W). Weirdly, i was getting a lot worse result's on the MSI Pro660M-A (same CPU) than i had with the Gigabyte DS3H at default settings
Thank you so much for what you're doing! This is really amazing. Finally I can decide which one I should buy. 👍👍 Please keep making great videos like this.. ❤❤
Another great video! Any thought on Gigabyte B660 Aorus Master DDR4 running I5 12600? Any plans on reviewing that board or have you? Would the MSI Mag B660 Tomahawk WiFi still be a better option?
Aorus Master looks great at the price, Fantastic rear IO, very strong (overkill?) VRMs and good all round spec. Just don't pay more than $200 for any B660 board IMO, it kills the value of the i5 non K's if you do that. I'd pick it over the MSI Tomahawk Wifi given the same price. I haven't reviewed it and likely won't - it's just to expensive to get hold of every variant sadly.
@@BuildPicker Thank You for the reply! I wish I could say I could get the board for under $200, but I can't. I'm currently in the Philippines and almost all electronics is going to have a $50 to $100 increase do to what they will claim as import tax fees. So both boards are around 20 dollars in price but the Gigabyte goes for around $250. The I5 12600 is $267, while the I5 12400 is $219. I trying to build a production PC for my daughter...but with these prices not sure what I will do. Just started watching your channel and have learned a lot and appreciate you making these videos!
Do you know what’s the difference between ASUS ROG STRIX B660 AND TUF gaming B660? I am choosing one of them, but the hardware seller told me TUF gaming have a better build quality?
Yes none of them do! (well, the minor +3% Bclck only, not the wild massive Bclck overclock that needs an external clock generator). I wanted to focus in on the power limits thing with this video as I knew it would be long anyway. I'll reivew as many baords in depth to cover infotmation like this as I can.
Kinda nonsense you didn't lift Gigabyte's Power limits for the rest of the tests after addressing an issue with Cinebench i5 results. You did that with Asrock, anyway.
I have the gigabyte b660m ds3h ax(since this and the asrock pro rs and the waay overpriced strix boards were on stock at launch). (And i needed the 10gig usb c) I popped a 2nd vrm heatsink on it and it is waay powerful than it was. I5 12500 runs at stable 120W full time while running prime95.
Ziptie😀 I have a case which has multiple screw holes around the motherboard. One loop around the cpu cooler bracket, and it ends in the screw hole. Pushing the heatsink down.
@@BuildPicker I've also had my eye on the MSI B660 Mortar and the Tomahawk. Do these offer any significant benefits over the PRO B660-A when paired with a 12400 or are they just not worth the money? (when they go back to being around $180-200 that is)
@@_Slog_ They, err, look nice?? The Tomahawk has 3 m.2 slots and 6 SATA. The Mortar has 2 M.2 slots and 6 SATA. Both have ALC1220 Audio which I do consider worthwhile over the 897 on the B660M-A. Both have more and faster USB ports on the rear. The PRo B660M-A can run 4 monitors off of the iGPU, because I guess that's a thing now. So, no huge differences, but depends on your needs and pricing. I should get on with the B660 round-up video then I can just point to that!!
@@BuildPicker Cool, thanks for the reply. A roundup video would be great as well. I use an old Sound Blaster Z for audio, but if it ever goes into retirement for some reason, the better mobo audio would be nice. But I could save $50 and get the Pro B660M-A and keep using the Sound Blaster Z if that makes more sense.
Hi there. is it true that the 12th generation is more energy consuming and they need a good motherboard and cooler? I watched a video on the yes city channel. There he talks about this problem. That's why you recommended me a better fee. It is so? thanks for the answer
@BuildPicker which exact ram did you use on your asrock pro rs (pls build number) You ran into any issues ? (G.skill ram configurator Said only 1.2 volt ram is working on this board and our g.skill aegis cl16 1.35volt is not working)
Good day. After 3 years on e5 2650v2 and 1070 I decided to collect on 10400 but then I was recommended to take 12100. On my budget I can allow MSI PRO B660M-B DDR4, MSI PRO B660M-G DDR4, Asus PRIME B660M-K D4, Asus PRIME B660M -A D4, MSI PRO B660M-E DDR4. Is it worth overpaying and taking the MSI PRO B660-A DDR4. thanks for the answer
typical problems of new platform. taking into account 2 core types in the same cpu it might be not that easy issue to solve. but most of issues probably could be fixed with new bioses
I have to skip MSI due to RGB limitations and poor software is Asus tuf enough for a 12700, I mean is it that bad or I'll be fine? I am not gonna use stock cooler
It's ok, it will run that cpu fine but if I was doing extended all core workloads I'd look for something a little more robust in the VRM's. (gigabyte aorus b660 master?)
Just depends on pricing and needs. For very high fps, or a powerful GPU at lower resolution, it might be worth $30-40 or so. For most cases stick with the 12400, it's plenty powerful enough and much better value.
Man i just bought below specs yesterday and just saw your videos now. Any recommendations you may give if i should stick with this combo or opt to replace my mobo? Which mobo would you recommend that would not rip my budget? CPU: i5-13600KF MOBO: B660M DS3H AX DDR4 (rev. 1.0) Wifi
Hi my msi pro b660m just arrived and paired with my 12400f. How can i maximize my power settings? Im using AIO. Do i need to input values manually? which setting to edit to get 12400f full performance? Thanks sir. I bought that msi pro because of this video. I ran cinebnce r23 and got a 12,030 score. The max cpu package is 82 to 85w. I didn't see the 117w max package in my test. What do i need to change in bios power limit?
Hi! To adjust your power limits: Go into advanced mode (tap F7) Click on the OC panel on the left Find 'CPU Cooler tuning' Click that Change it to 'Tower cooler' or 'water cooler' Save and exit This lifts the power limits. Just make sure you have a cooler that can handle 100W continuous, but the board is fine. I've attached a video showing you the process: th-cam.com/video/PUgNqYi-a8g/w-d-xo.html
@@BuildPicker i am using AIO. Its on 255w fpr p1 and p2. Cinebench r23 pulling 79-80watts. Thats the max package. Is that fine with 12400f? I want to get the most out of my cpu performance.
@@miguelesteban8775 yes that's fine. A 12400 won't exceed 100W draw. Just set then power setting to water cooler and you're done. The cup will only draw then power it needs, the higher power limit just ensures the motherboard isn't throttling it.
Will GIGABYTE B660M DS3H motherboard perform well enough with the i5 12600k (TDP:125W) CPU? I'm on a strict budget and wouldn't be able to spend more on the motherboard. Would it be better to downgrade to an I5 -12400 CPU rather than pairing a 12600K with this motherboard? I'm not planning to Overclock my CPU but 12600k seems a lot better than other options. And, is it possible to change default power settings in the BIOS of this motherboard as you mentioned in the video to achieve higher performance? (As adjusted at 8:56 to 200W/140W) The video is very informative and much thanks for the effort.
Hi, Yes, you can adjust power limits on the DS3H. I've uploaded how it's done here: th-cam.com/video/QluhTVPLXbM/w-d-xo.html I wouldn't recommend this board for anything more than the i5-12400, and really then only if it's your only option. If you really need the power of the i5-12600K, then you need to spend a little more to get a board that supports continuous all core performance. IF you can't afford the two together, then I think the i5-12400 or perhaps even the i7-12700 if discounted, would be a better option.
The M-K is cut back a fair amount: It only has 2 RAM Slots, 1 Full length PCIe slot. THe VRM is slightly different, looks similar to the A but I can't see if it's better or worse. It has less heatskingkin with some of the VRM components bare at the top of the board. It has no high speed USB on the rear, and no USB 3.2 Gen 2 x2 header internally. Since I know cheap/bad boards can limit the i5, I'm cautious of anything I haven't tested. The PRIME K is likely fine for gaming and light use, but I wouldn't use it for anything demanding even with an i5.
The state of modern motherboards is just disgusting, prices keep going up and quality keeps going down, thank you for guiding me away from the bad boards!
especially true for intel board manufacturers, most of the boards are as expensive or more expensive than the cpu itself
Ikr it's infuriating
@@paisenpaisen lol true. Here a decent b660 is more than i512400f wtheck
not to mention msi dog like
This was honestly amazing. Super impressed with all the work y'all went through for this video. Thanks!
Man I don't think you could've made a more perfect video for me today. Thank you so much. All 4 of the boards I was considering were compared... and the structure of your video as well as the testing and explanations of "out of the box vs tampering with bios" were so insanely helpful. Thank you so much man.
Glad to be of service!
Which mother board you pick?
@@m01287 I ended up going with the msi mag ddr4. I love it and have never had any issues at all
Great video man! It's exactly what I've been searching for for the past 3days. Really helps if you are building a budget PC on LGA 1700 platform. Keep up the good work!
you think b660 is a good option?
@@edsonufmg with what did you go with in the end? I am stuck with iGPU options for a while, so between AM4 and 1700, I might be forced to go former, as the latter's boards, even B660Ms are as expensive locally as i3-12100. 😔
@Tech-Adept Zeth what did you end up doing?
I was looking for a video like this but then decided to gamble on MSI PRO B660M since their VRMs' specs look good. Glad I did! It can handle my i5-12600K pretty easily!
Good choice! We'll have a full review of the MSI PRO B660M-A out soon!
@@BuildPicker Awesome!
You are a very underrated TH-camr. Your videos are great, easy to understand, and very informative. Love this channel.
I bought the Gigabyte MB for €128!! Great MB for 12th gen. i3 and i5. Thank you for this review, so i can pick the cheapest board even cheaper.
I couldnt decide which of these budgets boards to buy for my 12400, they all seemed much of a muchness, because of that it was actually the hardest decision to make lol. In the end I went with the MSI simply cos it had the 8 phase vrm. Looks like that was the right choice but I still wish a saw this vid earlier. Great work.
I have 12100f and maybe will someday upgrade to 12400f. I dont know what motherboard to buy, MSI PRO B660M-E DDR4 or MSI PRO B660M-A? Do u know the difference between them?
@@Minke093MSI PRO B660M-A is much better than the other one
You did 100 times better than "Hardware Unboxed ", lots of information i found from your video. Great job
Glad it was helpful!
Just finished installing a 12400f on the gigabyte DS3H B660M (non AX). I run cinebench r23 on it and the scores came out the same with other 12400fs and despite the high temps ( high 80c range) there wasnt any vrm throttling or downclocking. Just make sure to flash the latest bios or it runs at least the F5 version. Mine came with the F6 and i flashed the F21 on it to take advantage of all the improvements overtime. Pretty decent mobo for a 12400.
This is exactly the comparison I needed as I'm looking exactly on this boards. Thank you very much
Keep it up this was an excellent review much appreciate the work you put in for test in. I was really looking into the gigabyte with a 12400 new F5 bios will be fine but I preffred that msi looks like a much better board by far. O one thing Just don't sit so close to the camera!
Your vídeos about Gigabyte B660M DS3H helps me a lot. I did all configurations power and my 12400F is flying. Thanks!
What ram/memory do you have?
@@johanneskesete6410 Corsair LPX 2 x 8GB 3000 C15 CMK16GX4M2B3000C15
@@renato7601 thanks
Got aAsrock B660 Steel Legend and its rock solid.
i have the asus prime b660 paired with the i7 12700, it's an awsome and pretty cheap combo imo! Great video :)
Bro is this motherboard enough? What cooler are you using?
@@imvalkyr i think is not good option for that cpu, asus prime are very weak boards which i recommender only for cpu like i3 or i5-12400F, asus tuf b660m-plus is a lot of better option
Cool, appreciate your work. Can't wait for ASUS TUF B660M-E D4 review.
Đã mua chưa anh định mua pro rs mà được khuyên thêm 1 triệu lên tuf plus nên cũng băn khoăn
I bought Gigabyte B660M DS3H for i3 12100. I got it with F3 bios, so I've updatet it immedieatly to the latest one - F6b. It still underperformed slightly in Cinebench so I went to BIOS. Playing with power limits did't improve anything, since i3 consumes only 58W ant there is no bottleneck here (even on this board). I've finally disabled CPU power savings options in BIOS and CPU performance is adequate for i3 12100 since then (Tweaker -> Adv CPU Settings -> CPU EIST, Race To Halt, Energy Efficient Turbo: all to disabled). I would say there are two legimite, cost efective approaches to intel gen 12 topic: i3 + Gigabyte B660M DS3H (with updated BIOS) and i5 + MSI PRO B660M-A. Thanks to Premium builds for proffessional advice.
is gigabyte ds3h more great than asrock pro rs for i3?
Im gonna use asus prime b660m a d4
Isn't the the DS3H also ok with 12400f for gaming only? After all this cpu still consumes low power
here's a easy way to sum up these boards
Gigabyte B660M DS3H AX = best suited with i3 12100
Asrock B660M Pro RS = best suited with i3 12100
Asus Prime B660M-A Wifi = best suited with i5 12400 or i3 12100
Gigabyte B660 Gaming X AX = best suited with i5 12400 and can handle i5 12600 non K
Asus Tuf Gaming B660M Plus Wifi = can handle i5 12400, 12500, and i7 12700 non K
MSI Pro B660-A Wifi = i5 12400 is a breeze, and can even handle i5 12600K
MSI Mag B660 Tomahawk Wifi = this board can flat out do it all except, i7 12700 K & i9 12900K is a little too much, but everything is good.
by far the best price to performance board in my opinion is the MSI Pro B660M-A Wifi, VRM is very good for a board in this class, even better is the rear IO and the front panel connecters.
and right now it's only $129 if you go with the non wifi version, but they also have one with wifi if you can find it. it's out of stock when i look at prices. the Tomahawk is good, but it's price makes it a hard buy when the VRM is about the same as the Pro. the only reason to buy the Tomahawk is for extra features and ports. im surprise the Gigabyte board didn't work out in that test, I've had Gigabyte in the past and had very little issues with them, but i haven't had a Gigabyte board in a long time.
Excellent channel - straight to the point. Amazing review! Kudos
Well, I just rebuilt my PC using a Mag B660M Mortar Wifi mobo, and it is FUCKING INSANE! Yes! CPU 13th gen i5 13600K, GPU GIGABYTE 3090TI, 64GBs of DDR5 5600 Ram (over clock with XMP 3.0), 850w plus 80 gold PSU, CoolerMaster MasterAir MA624 Dual Tower Air Cooler, Toshiba X300 8TB Performance & Gaming 3.5, Samsung 870 EVO 2TB 2.5, SAMSUNG 980 PRO SSD 2TB PCIe NVMe Gen 4 that I cloned my windows 10 pro OS to, as it is my boot drive now. I even figured out how to over clock and got my 3090TI's bench at Userbenchmark to 319% - My Gaming is at 333%, my desktop at 122% and my work station is 388%, and this is with 98% cpu background during bench testing. I've never done any of this before, really (to this extent), but it's amazing what you can pull off with a little (careful) research and paying close attention. There's really no rocket science in building a PC, that's for sure. My CPU never been over 70 degrees c, and my GPU stays at around 67 c. After I got everything where it needed to be, I set a cap on my frame frate to go only as high as my fastest monitor, which is 144Hz. I mainly play on my LG 65 CX monitor that is at 120Hz. There isn't any game that I tried that does maintaina steady 120 fps. I mean, it doesn't drop below that at all.
Only issue I had was that I got the mobo, and though it do support 13th gen Intel CPUs, it didn't right out of the box. I installed a 13th gen chip in its LGA1700 slot, then at the end of it all, it turned on, but didn't boot. I just put two and two together after about 10 minutes of trying to figure out what was wrong. Noticed the red blinking light on the mobo, and learned that it was a CPU issue - as it clearly said under the flashing red light - 'cpu'. I knew the mobo I bought was a 12th gen with a LGA 1700 socket, so I figured the mobo needed just needed a BIOS update, or something. So, I bought a 12th gen chip from Amazon, booted up my PC with it (as the 12th gen chip worked as I expected it would), updated the mobo, installed my 13th gen chip, sent the 12th gen chip back to Amazon for a refund - Now, all of the amazing things that I am about to do with this incredibly fast, insanely powerful PC. I have done even more research and see that the Western Digital Black SN850 2TB M.2 is actually considerably faster than the Samsung 870, so I have ordered one that will be here on Friday that I will clone my boot drive onto, so that my PC can be even faster, and yeah, I'll install it onto the CPU M.2 slot, and not the chipset one. Some people don't know the difference, but I research everything.
All this being said - The Mag B660M Mortar Wifi motherboard is Super Solid.
Any channel who has The Balvenie next to tech parts on a shelf is a good channel in my book 😆
You know it! Doublewood 17...
A point to note that the graphs show Asus TUF B660M, there are 2 boards under same name where the suffix is different. One is TUF Gaming B660M-E (the one tested here) and the TUF Gaming B660M-Plus the superior one with PCIe 5.0, better VRM, etc. and a Wi-Fi version of the same. The M-E does not have a Wi-Fi version.
yes true. But the M-E has the m2-connector for wifi on the board, so you could add it later if you want.
Yep, It's the B660M-E under test throughout here. I do make reference to the fact there are at least 8 variants of a 'B660 TUF' around, that I've found, and people should be careful of the exact spec of the one they're looking at buying.
Thanks for the review!. Really like it . I have a B660m Tuf gaming-plus with 12600K with a 212 evo black edition rgb cooler, and it works good. Never overclocked any of my previous k-cpus, so this will be ok for me :)
What PSU are you using? Does it come with 8+8 pin cpu 12v connectors?
@@Shadowat00 I use a EVGA BQ600 PSU in this computer. Its only 4+4 (that makes a 8 pin) cpu power connector. But you dont need to plug in the other on the mainboard.
@@Shadowat00 btw if you are planning to get this motherboard, I can tell you that the first ramslot near the cpu is not usuable with a evo 212-cooler, cause the fan is in the way. With Evo 212 you could mount the fan higher up (with a slight performance loss I guess), but with bigger coolers, it might be a bigger problem. but good thing is that hte first ram slot is for channel 2.. so you dont need it if you only use 2 sticks of ram
Is 12600k working fine and at full potential on your B660M mobo?
Also what would be best cpu on a B660M 12600k or 12700 non-k version?
@@kaustubhx5452 its running with full power. (Up to 240watt, but never seen it go beyond 125watt) . And when I compare benchmarknumbers with z690 boards they are the same. I think the non k 12700 is a better buy but it was much more expensive my 12600k was 250usd on sale and the 12700 was 399.
Daym! I love this guy. He now ranked Top spot in my brain lol
Excellent! You deserve 1M subscribers 👏👍👌
exactly what i needed, amazing production quality btw
Great comparison
Edit: I have Asus TUF GAMING B660-e and its nice but consider to think about adding little money for plus version its not special but more usb are good with thunderboald with another heatsink for vrm
super impressed with your extensive research
Great tests! Thank you for your work!
This was so timely. I had that Gigabyte board on order! Cancelled now and going for the Asus B660M-A instead.
Thank You for this Video! im gonna go for the Msi Pro. Great comparison!
Excellent and very useful content. The fact that Gigabyte managed to (mostly) fix their issues with an update makes me hopeful that asrock can do the same. Come on, ASRock...
Given that the Asus Prime board did well in these tests, I wonder if their prime h610 boards would handle the i5 CPUs well. It's one of the most affordable, and by far the most available h610 board in the US. It would be great to know there's a good sub $140 option for those value chips, and at $100-110 that could be a winner.
I read somewhere that their H610 board used the same VRM as the B660 prime board, if thats true i think the H610 would have no problem. Just check there is a heatsink on the VRM.
and btw.. a friend has a B560 Gigabyte gaming board, and it has no heatsinks on VRM, so he has to put a fan to not make it overheat.
@@AndrewTSq The Asus Prime B660 and H610 boards are different (4 vs 2 RAM slots etc) , but visually seem to be using the same VRM designs. You may be thinking of the ASRock HDV H610m and B660m PCBs, which are seemingly identical.
And yes, a fan directed at the VRM is a very good idea, especially when using a tower heatsink-fan or liquid cooling. The graph of the gigabyte board attempting to run a 12700k in this video absolutely looks like thermal throttling of the VRM to me. I strongly suspect that adding a fan (and Ideally better heatsinks) directed at the VRM would improve or possibly even eliminate those performance dips. I still wouldn't recommend that board for that CPU, but for a use like strictly gaming it would be fine
@@jomeyqmalone oh sorry, I only mean the VRM:s seem to be of the same design, meaning that the H610 from Asus is probably a good board from that regard. I think i saw it here on youtube, will check.. it was some foreign channel that made a 660 vs h610 test.
@@jomeyqmalone The H610 without heatsink from Asus has worse performance in games anyway, than the cheapest B660 prime. It was like 10fps difference in games (with i5-12400). will try to find the other test ive seen.
Hello Sir, could you do please again a video with 13th gen with B660 boards.
I had to subscribe, the amount and quality of work you do is amazing!
So as a heads up from an actual end user perspective i ended up having to return both this guy's top 2 B660 picks here, and which like many of
you I assume had hoped to pair in a budget build with either a new gen I3 or i5. Due to the fact that I ran into the same issues many other actual endusers are in that pretty much all of these B660 are having serious real world stability and performance issues with the XMP feature. Which they keep trying, and failing, to push out bios updates that offers a clean fix.
Which two boards were they? And what RAM were you running? Whilst I've seen DDR5 Performance issues on Alder lake, DDR4 I really haven't seen anyone having issues with XMP profiles within the 'sensible' range.
MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4 and ASUS PRIME B660M-A. Started of with Crucial Ballistix DDR4 3600, but had to scratch that as beyond the false box specs claims it apparently turned out that the b660 motherboards can't run any ram 3600mhz or higher in gear 1 due to intel locking the voltage (to MSI somewhat credit they at least state as such if you dig up their beta bios notes on the forum. Only the more expensive Mortar and Tomahawk boards are labeled as improving non-K CPU DDR4 ram compatibility). Anything above 3200mhz in xmp mode just crashes the pc. As of right now all the beta build "fixes" for this do is just forces that incompatibility into gear 2, and which just achieves that additional stability at the cost of performance (fwiw MSI also makes official note: Intel had confirmed VCCSA lock on non-K CPU is according to the Intel specification. Until further notice from Intel, BIOS update cannot unlock the limitation).
Wasn't looking to downgrade my ram back to my old Corsair Vengeance 3200 with the swap to a B660 in this machine, but prior to the returns using that + XMP off was basically my mandatory troubleshoot workaround if i wanted to avoid any BSoD in my multi hour MMO gaming sessions. Was easy enough from there to search around and find similar feedback from outside the benchmark review only crowd starting to weigh in on their own actual everyday gaming experiences.
@@michaelj2267 OK, that's really interesting. As I said, not something I experienced on either of these boards and I ran pretty extensive testing at 3600Mhz Cl16 G1. I'll dig into it more before the indiivdual reviews of these boards and included memory stabliity testing, as well as seeing where I can get to with the B-die kit I have.
@@michaelj2267 From another review in youtube, Kingston 3600 cl17 RAM was tested with MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4, the system can only run with 3600 in gear 2 or 3466 with tight timing for gear 1 even though he using 12700"k"...
Hopefully Hardware Unboxed will give us the VRM temps as well.
Underrated channel keep up the great work
I enjoyed this. Felt smooth to watch, was able to absorb the information well. What brought me here is that I am looking for the right budget motherboard for i3-12100F that can maximize its potential and have the right features for enough decent future-proofing. Going to run it with a 3050.
Hope we were able to help! Honestly any of these boards work ok with an i3. You certainly don't want to overspend.
No need to explain the DS3H. It's always been a model that I wouldn't trust with anything more than an i3 in the best of circumstances. It's a cheap board for reasons. Asrock is pretty much in the same situation with anything other than their Taichi lines. it's interesting to see the Prime board be in the same arena as the Tomahawk. Other than the AMD x470, ASUS Prime boards have felt like a hot mess recently. Thank you for putting the work into this and delivering one of the better b660s round ups I've yet seen since their release.
What you say is true for the b560 and i5-11400. This board has no isues whatever with an i3 or i5. So no vrm problems with overheating or powerreduction or throttling. That was my fear to, Gigabyte fixed this.
thanks for your effort m8
excelente video! what are those settings that need to be made to the ASRock in the power profile?
Good review!
Are you going to do a more detailed test of the MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4?
Thank you
Yes, it's on the list! All being well it should be out by the end of the week.
@@BuildPicker can you confirm the Intel limitation of the VCCSA on the non-K CPU?
It would be impossible to go with DDR4 at 3600mhz or more in Gear 1?
What is the impact of Gear 2 in this case (best choice: 3200mhz@gear 1 or 3200mhz@gear2)?
Thanks
Really great content - again! Thanks for the review! Good to see that some mid-range B660 boards can handle perfectly the 12700K. 4.7GHz allcore boost might be sufficient almost for everything.
Keep up the excellent work and thanks for putting so much effort for proper (re)testings with different BIOS versions and power settings!
Great video! You just gained a subscriber!
Glad to have you aboard!
Thanks for this extremely useful video!
I'm actually using 12700 with an ASUS PRIME B660M non Wifi
Valuable content. Thank you for doing this video! I was planning to put i9-13900k in that motherboard lol 😂 now the next candidate for me is Asus Prime Z690M... ✌️
you are doing amazing work!
will that be a good choice? (see below)
Processor- i7-12700
Ram Stick- Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16 Desktop Memory Kit - Black (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16)
Motherboard- MSI MAG B660M Mortar WiFi DDR4
SSD- Western Digital black SN850 500GB, PCIe Gen 4 SSD 7000MB/s R, 4100MB/s W
CPU cabinet-Phanteks Metallic Gear Neo Air Mid Tower (White)
Power supply-Cooler Master MWE 550 Bronze V2 230v, 80 Plus Bronze
currently this recommended b660 got the same price of entry level z690
Thank you for the excellent video, please suggest me, which will be the best with GIGABYTE B660MDS3H AXDDR4 among Intel i5-12400f or i5-12500
thank you. awesome reviews
My Board: Gigabyte B660M DS3H So.1700 DDR4 ATX Retail, can I use it with i5 13600kf?
I have JUST bought a Gigabyte B660M DS3H DDR4, not wifi edition and i am recieving a used I7 12700F CPU tomorrow.
I need someone to straight up tell me whether to return my motherboard!
Great review , keep it up , you'll be at 100k subs in no time
Hi, I see that a year had passed since your video and Asrock B660M Pro RS has since gotten 3 BIOSes. Would perhaps the board perform as expected now? I ask because I'm interested in buying one. Thank you
This channel is really great, love this video. It helps me a tons.
Really happy to hear that, makes the effort worthwhile!
excellent review! great for budget builder and keep it up please
Hello, I would like to ask which board is better, ASRock B660 PRO RS, Asus PRIME B660M-A D4 or GIGABYTE B660M GAMING X. Thank you for your answer.
I'd take the PRIME of those options.
Thanks man. You saved my money
Astonishing amount of reliable information. I recently purchased the Gigabyte B660 Gaming X DDR4 and wish to put 12400f in it. My question is would it limit this cpu potential in any way apart from not being able to perform the bclk oc?
Nope, that looks to be a good pairing and you'll have a great time!
@@BuildPicker hi, i want to buy MSI PRO B660M-G DDR4 for i5 12400f.will it run fine at full load or will there be any limitations? Are vrm and phase power delivery enough? Please help me, i am too much confused!! Plz reply!
@@BuildPicker I was told that the Gaming X is practically the same as the DS3H version. Should I take Gaming X or even take MSI PRO? The third option is to pay extra for Asus TUF (it costs more in my country). Or is it an empty overpayment if I want everything to work out of the box for me?
@@stefan_es The Gaming X (note the X, there's also a gaming non X) is an upgrade over the DS3H with a better VRM and more rear USB ports. I'd take that or the MSI PRO B660M-A
@@BuildPicker Okay, but does the Gaming X no longer have the same performance issues as the DS3H in the video? Will it fully reveal the potential of 12400 in tasks? Or does it still perform worse than the MSI PRO B660M-A? For me, this is very important. I want to build a really powerful system. I am interested in your subjective opinion. What would you buy in my place if I don't want to mess around with the settings and still get good performance? Thanks in advance for your feedback!
Please review some H670 boards and explain who the target customer is for the H670 chipset.
I currently have an ASUS H610M-A with an outdated BIOS, which still gives me undervolt usage on my 12600K BUT I bought a Gen4 SSD which doesn't run at full speed on my H610. When researching cards, I'm between this Asrock Z690 (155 usd), MSI Pro B660m A Wifi (132 usd) and ASUS H770 Plus D4 (155 usd). that many reports on the internet say that it comes factory set with voltage above normal and that the undervolt in it is kind of complicated. I'm wondering if I really leave my H610 just because of the SSD... And there's still the VRM issue... Even the Z690 PG4 using DrMOS I don't know to what extent it's a better VRM than the H770 Plus D4 or the MSI Pro B660m A.
Can you please tell how did you remove/configure the PL's on MSI Pro660M-A motherboard ? to the CPU be the on the best possible performance, like it shows on the review test (255W) ?
I've search around, but i don't find the answer. And, on my Pro660M-A im getting the "default" test results (65W).
Weirdly, i was getting a lot worse result's on the MSI Pro660M-A (same CPU) than i had with the Gigabyte DS3H at default settings
Thank you so much for what you're doing! This is really amazing. Finally I can decide which one I should buy. 👍👍
Please keep making great videos like this.. ❤❤
Glad you found it helpful!
Another great video! Any thought on Gigabyte B660 Aorus Master DDR4 running I5 12600? Any plans on reviewing that board or have you? Would the MSI Mag B660 Tomahawk WiFi still be a better option?
Aorus Master looks great at the price, Fantastic rear IO, very strong (overkill?) VRMs and good all round spec. Just don't pay more than $200 for any B660 board IMO, it kills the value of the i5 non K's if you do that. I'd pick it over the MSI Tomahawk Wifi given the same price.
I haven't reviewed it and likely won't - it's just to expensive to get hold of every variant sadly.
@@BuildPicker Thank You for the reply! I wish I could say I could get the board for under $200, but I can't. I'm currently in the Philippines and almost all electronics is going to have a $50 to $100 increase do to what they will claim as import tax fees. So both boards are around 20 dollars in price but the Gigabyte goes for around $250. The I5 12600 is $267, while the I5 12400 is $219. I trying to build a production PC for my daughter...but with these prices not sure what I will do. Just started watching your channel and have learned a lot and appreciate you making these videos!
Can you help me to decide what mobo is good to this video for i5 12400 . Im planning low budget build . But can upgrade in the future . Thanks
I like these videos!!! Thank for the advice!
Do you know what’s the difference between ASUS ROG STRIX B660 AND TUF gaming B660? I am choosing one of them, but the hardware seller told me TUF gaming have a better build quality?
Great video,
Can you check and confirm if any of these support Bclk overclock and make another video about the boards that do?
Yes none of them do! (well, the minor +3% Bclck only, not the wild massive Bclck overclock that needs an external clock generator). I wanted to focus in on the power limits thing with this video as I knew it would be long anyway. I'll reivew as many baords in depth to cover infotmation like this as I can.
Very helpful. Can you tell me how to remove power limit of gigabyte b660m ds3h
We have that covered in a video here: th-cam.com/video/gRya-IfGCso/w-d-xo.html
Can you do similar with all budget B760 chipset?
Kinda nonsense you didn't lift Gigabyte's Power limits for the rest of the tests after addressing an issue with Cinebench i5 results. You did that with Asrock, anyway.
I have the gigabyte b660m ds3h ax(since this and the asrock pro rs and the waay overpriced strix boards were on stock at launch).
(And i needed the 10gig usb c)
I popped a 2nd vrm heatsink on it and it is waay powerful than it was.
I5 12500 runs at stable 120W full time while running prime95.
and how do you put that extra heatsink? may elaborate a bit sir
Ziptie😀
I have a case which has multiple screw holes around the motherboard.
One loop around the cpu cooler bracket, and it ends in the screw hole. Pushing the heatsink down.
@@kikihun9726 Holy.. hahah. No Problem if it does works. Alright thanks for the info
Hi how about asrock b660m steel legend vs msi pro b660m a wifi? They have slightly price different here, which is better?
hmmm. what do u think if i use wayyy slower GPU, like 2060 or RX6600, would giga DS3H still trail by 10 fps?>
very good work, sir
I would have love to see the B660m mortar on this video
Me too but it's 230€ right now!! It has very similar VRM and configuration to the MSI PRO B660-A - it will perform identically in all these tests.
@@BuildPicker I've also had my eye on the MSI B660 Mortar and the Tomahawk. Do these offer any significant benefits over the PRO B660-A when paired with a 12400 or are they just not worth the money? (when they go back to being around $180-200 that is)
@@_Slog_ They, err, look nice??
The Tomahawk has 3 m.2 slots and 6 SATA.
The Mortar has 2 M.2 slots and 6 SATA.
Both have ALC1220 Audio which I do consider worthwhile over the 897 on the B660M-A.
Both have more and faster USB ports on the rear.
The PRo B660M-A can run 4 monitors off of the iGPU, because I guess that's a thing now.
So, no huge differences, but depends on your needs and pricing.
I should get on with the B660 round-up video then I can just point to that!!
@@BuildPicker Cool, thanks for the reply. A roundup video would be great as well.
I use an old Sound Blaster Z for audio, but if it ever goes into retirement for some reason, the better mobo audio would be nice.
But I could save $50 and get the Pro B660M-A and keep using the Sound Blaster Z if that makes more sense.
Great work 💪
Hi there. is it true that the 12th generation is more energy consuming and they need a good motherboard and cooler? I watched a video on the yes city channel. There he talks about this problem. That's why you recommended me a better fee. It is so? thanks for the answer
@BuildPicker which exact ram did you use on your asrock pro rs (pls build number) You ran into any issues ? (G.skill ram configurator Said only 1.2 volt ram is working on this board and our g.skill aegis cl16 1.35volt is not working)
0 vrm data bro ? Nice video btw
Good day. After 3 years on e5 2650v2 and 1070 I decided to collect on 10400 but then I was recommended to take 12100. On my budget I can allow MSI PRO B660M-B DDR4, MSI PRO B660M-G DDR4, Asus PRIME B660M-K D4, Asus PRIME B660M -A D4, MSI PRO B660M-E DDR4. Is it worth overpaying and taking the MSI PRO B660-A DDR4. thanks for the answer
I'd get the Asus Prime B660M-A or MSI Pro B660M-A, whichever is cheaper. Both are free from major compromise and will run the 12100 well.
@@BuildPicker thank you very much
GIGABYTE B660M GAMING X DDR4 does have a good VRM for an 12600k? ( can you get the most of it ?)
typical problems of new platform. taking into account 2 core types in the same cpu it might be not that easy issue to solve. but most of issues probably could be fixed with new bioses
I have to skip MSI due to RGB limitations and poor software is Asus tuf enough for a 12700, I mean is it that bad or I'll be fine?
I am not gonna use stock cooler
It's ok, it will run that cpu fine but if I was doing extended all core workloads I'd look for something a little more robust in the VRM's. (gigabyte aorus b660 master?)
@@BuildPicker Thank you so much for the Help : )
I bought the DS3H to pair with i7-12700K, wish me luck :)
Is it working ?
@@NoName-nn8lj yes, no issues although I don't run benchmarks so I don't know how well vrms are managing
Perfect. Just what I needed. Would you recommend paying extra for 12600 rather than 12400 for a system mainly used for gaming?
Just depends on pricing and needs. For very high fps, or a powerful GPU at lower resolution, it might be worth $30-40 or so. For most cases stick with the 12400, it's plenty powerful enough and much better value.
check for sales of the i5. I got my i5 12600K on sale for $250, and ive seen it sold at that price a few times now. normal price is $310.
@@BuildPicker lower resolution u mean 1080p and not 1440p
@@tazboy1934 yes, 1080p.
Any idea about how the b660m Mortar performs with the i7 12700 non k, are they a good pairing
Should be ok, it has a strong enough VRM
Did you also record the temperature?
Man i just bought below specs yesterday and just saw your videos now. Any recommendations you may give if i should stick with this combo or opt to replace my mobo? Which mobo would you recommend that would not rip my budget?
CPU: i5-13600KF
MOBO: B660M DS3H AX DDR4 (rev. 1.0) Wifi
Is it working ?
Doesn’t the i3 12100F peaks at about 80W? 🤔
cant believe you didnt include the msi b660m bazooka.
It's exactly the same as the PRO B660M-A except different display output config. It gets a mention in our B660 round up.
@@BuildPicker huh, curious. the m-a is more expensive where i live.
Hi my msi pro b660m just arrived and paired with my 12400f. How can i maximize my power settings? Im using AIO. Do i need to input values manually? which setting to edit to get 12400f full performance? Thanks sir. I bought that msi pro because of this video. I ran cinebnce r23 and got a 12,030 score. The max cpu package is 82 to 85w. I didn't see the 117w max package in my test. What do i need to change in bios power limit?
Hi!
To adjust your power limits:
Go into advanced mode (tap F7)
Click on the OC panel on the left
Find 'CPU Cooler tuning'
Click that
Change it to 'Tower cooler' or 'water cooler'
Save and exit
This lifts the power limits.
Just make sure you have a cooler that can handle 100W continuous, but the board is fine.
I've attached a video showing you the process:
th-cam.com/video/PUgNqYi-a8g/w-d-xo.html
@@BuildPicker i am using AIO. Its on 255w fpr p1 and p2. Cinebench r23 pulling 79-80watts. Thats the max package. Is that fine with 12400f? I want to get the most out of my cpu performance.
@@miguelesteban8775 yes that's fine. A 12400 won't exceed 100W draw. Just set then power setting to water cooler and you're done. The cup will only draw then power it needs, the higher power limit just ensures the motherboard isn't throttling it.
@@BuildPicker i see. Thank you. I guess that's my max for 12400f. 80w at full load. Cinebench t23 score 12,200 something.
Hey Asrock ploča B660M PRO RS support i7 10700k?
ASUS TUF Gaming B660m-PLUS D4 vs MSI MAG B660M BAZOOKA ?
Will GIGABYTE B660M DS3H motherboard perform well enough with the i5 12600k (TDP:125W) CPU? I'm on a strict budget and wouldn't be able to spend more on the motherboard. Would it be better to downgrade to an I5 -12400 CPU rather than pairing a 12600K with this motherboard?
I'm not planning to Overclock my CPU but 12600k seems a lot better than other options.
And, is it possible to change default power settings in the BIOS of this motherboard as you mentioned in the video to achieve higher performance? (As adjusted at 8:56 to 200W/140W)
The video is very informative and much thanks for the effort.
Hi, Yes, you can adjust power limits on the DS3H. I've uploaded how it's done here: th-cam.com/video/QluhTVPLXbM/w-d-xo.html
I wouldn't recommend this board for anything more than the i5-12400, and really then only if it's your only option.
If you really need the power of the i5-12600K, then you need to spend a little more to get a board that supports continuous all core performance. IF you can't afford the two together, then I think the i5-12400 or perhaps even the i7-12700 if discounted, would be a better option.
Is the issue with asrock Pro RS still present or after the BIOS update it's solved?
Please confirm if someone tested.
Thank you 🙏
There is a reason Asrock is limited to 85W. They have really bad VRM.
It was the same story with B460...
Apart from the VRM can handle 120W with the i7-12700K... That's what's so weird. It's an artificially imposed limit.
@@BuildPicker I think it will get very hot when run on higher wattage.
You can try it with temperature sensor on VRM.
Hey there, do you know what's the major difference between Asus Prime B660M-K and B660M-A? Also, would you recommend the K version if I have i5 12400?
The M-K is cut back a fair amount: It only has 2 RAM Slots, 1 Full length PCIe slot. THe VRM is slightly different, looks similar to the A but I can't see if it's better or worse. It has less heatskingkin with some of the VRM components bare at the top of the board. It has no high speed USB on the rear, and no USB 3.2 Gen 2 x2 header internally.
Since I know cheap/bad boards can limit the i5, I'm cautious of anything I haven't tested. The PRIME K is likely fine for gaming and light use, but I wouldn't use it for anything demanding even with an i5.
@@BuildPicker thank you so much for your response, cheers! :D