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@@simplegaraksurprised though he’s not aware C19 was most likely not natural in origin… paper is called: “Unnaturalness in the Evolution Process of the SARS-CoV-2 variants and the possibility of deliberate natural selection.” By Japanese Professors Atsuki Tanaka and Takayuki Miyazawa of Osaka Medical University and Kyoto University.
Ye like Sam and then rate his intellect higher than it stands on its own merit. He has a history of saying things under no duress to express himself. Here is a very fair and honest paraphrasing of his exact words from a friendly enough interview article. Giving himself a choice via a "magic wand" he'd rid the world of religion over rape. These are his opinions and preferences.
Don't try to explain or defend it he dug his own hole. Sam was just a cocky deranged guy still talking down from an ivory throne after being knocked off multiple times. "Everyone else is confused" after clearly deranged statements. His comeback attitude: "Everyone else is confused". Instead of any humility or self reflection... As a European then not familiar with Sam, this was very clear for anyone, not just people holding in resentment.
Most on the the Center, the Right & the Internet gave companies, like Bud Light, people like Sam Harris the benefit of the doubt & separated the art from the artist & years. All the while people like James Lindsey were trying to warn everyone: "This is not a small group of individuals., or some compartmentalized belief. This is a Totalitarian Religious Cult, that fully infects mind, body & soul. Once infected, there little hope for people who adhere to this Cults ideology. Once an organization is infected, there is little hope for that organization." People are now are just starting to understanding & fight back.
A boycott is not the same as cancellation. Chris is conflating the two. One is a person choosing not to give an entity, business, money. The other is a person demanding the entity or person be stripped of the ability to do business, be employed, etc.
@@KevinJDildonik Maybe Bud shouldn't have gone for the ''homo'' angle in their advertising, then. Also, it's not like Dylan Mulvaney didn't have a history of acting like something he's not, in multiple ways.
And yet both can lead to being cancelled. Frankly I don't care. Start cancelling "left" affirming companies that do this shit and watch cancel culture end over night.
A boycott isn’t a single person acting on their own. It’s a concerted effort to tank a company. Just like canceling someone is a concerted effort of people pressuring companies to tank someone. In that regard, they’re like two sides of the same coin-put pressure on a company to force them to do something.
I'm tired of people comparing the follies of a single person getting them in hot water to the blunders of multi-billion dollar corporations. These two are not the same and should NEVER be treated the same.
it's not even as if most of the time it's the 'follies of a single person getting them in hot water', a lot of the time it's simply bad actors taking things completely out of context.
It's very hard to give a "mulligan" to a so called intellectual to speak something so outrageously ridiculous. There are so many so called "intellectual s" that have absolutely no common sense it's astonishing. It's as if they live in a bubble of their own making and closed minded attitude that is very repulsive. No personality whatsoever .
You’re tired of individuals who mess up getting compared to groups of individuals who mess up? Why should they never be treated the same if the principle human flaw is the same? Doing that comparison is like the essence of humans learning from mistakes and forming better governance over society. LOL NEVER COMPARE THEM our else my heart will bleed
Fantastic conversation so far so Konstantin. As a listener to both podcasts, it's refreshing to hear your views as the interviewee because as much as you push back as the interviewer, I can tell you hold back your opinions sometimes in order to be respectful of your guests time and views. Can't wait for the rest to drop and hope you have Chris on your podcast soon.
Konstantin, I really do enjoy your perspective on a lot of these issues, but I often feel you are unwilling to admit, or see, the dangers the right poses. And you say that Sam overestimated the dangers of Trump. Seeing as how you grew up in a communist society, do you not view the attempted stealing of an election in a democratic nation worthy of the fear that Sam has expressed. This absolutely perplexes me. Most of us left of center knew exactly what he would do if he lost, as he had shown time and time again his lack of respect for our democratic norms and decency in general.Trump was a existential risk to the nation. This threat could not have been overestimated.
Very good discussion so far. Konstantin, I enjoyed how you disagreed with Chris, but were completely civil about it and in no way denigrated him. It's refreshing to see this sort of discourse. I love Chris, but I think he's misinterpreted where the Mulvaney decision came from as this was a leading marketing executive, not a low level intern. And it was a cumulation of dominos as mentioned. But it's also Dylan Mulvaney, who is a very polarizing individual for the perceptions of her being fake. A perfect storm, indeed.
The Bud Light incident was not just one thing, it was the tipping point of a constant onslaught of that idealogy. Bud Light, Target, Hershey, and tons of other companies have bent over backwards to appease this tiny minority while demeaning anyone who doesn't agree.
You might wanna look into ESG. These companies are not “appeasing a small minority of the woke” They were being shaken down financially, by an entity bigger than them. They have to appease, in order to get huge loans to opporate and run their business.
Bud Light was just the tipping point. I don’t drink beer but I think people were also more upset about the insulting demeanor and comments by the female exec along with the Dillon thing, and this controversy also made a lot of people realize/learn that Budweiser was no longer American owned. I don’t think they will ever come back from this.
Yes, people are tired of companies dismissing them. I watch NFL football on Sundays and 99% of the commercials are anti-man and pro-women. Meanwhile 95% of the audience is male and most of the married males in that group are actively nagged by their wives for actually watching NFL. Yet the adverts spit in our faces as well. WTF?!?
It was really her derision of the main customer base. There are tons of drinking options, why would I go out of my way to snag one where the exec went viral for hating on their customers?
@@toddtheisen8386I see you have no experience in large businesses. Let me explain. A company like Budweiser doesn’t just choose how much beer they make. They start with, say, enough demand to produce 1,000 cans a month for a profit of $1,000 when their factory has a max production capacity of 1,200 cans/month. If demand keeps increasing and they keep producing more to meet it, they’ll soon reach their capacity. At that point, they will need to open a new factory, but in order to do that, you need to invest hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars. Then, let’s say you produce now 2,000 cans/month, but then something happens and you lose half of your sales. At that point, just shutting down that factory which you no longer need isn’t enough, because you have all the money you invested to build it, plus storage, maintenance, employees, utilities and all the cost of that other factory you still need to pay for. So now, you sell the same 1,000 cans a month, but instead of making a 1,000 profit, you lose 500/month and you have a massive debt you need to pay. This is why they probably won’t make it out of it, and if they do, it’s only because they’re owned by a gigantic company that can afford to take the hit for enough time to allow them to recover. This will cost years of profit for their owner, which owns several other huge companies, that’s how bad it was. If they were an individual company, they would’ve already shut down.
Bud Light drinkers said, "Message received. Here's our message to you Bud Light." This isn't complex: Michael Jordan observed that Conservatives buy shoes, too.
It wasn't *just* the Dylan thing with Bud Light. It was the public comments by Alyssa Heinerscheid that were very critical and demeaning about the people to whom it was her job to sell beer. She called her customers "fratty and out of touch" with such sneering condescension that it alienated 25% of their customer base.
You've got that wrong, she said “Bud Light had […] a brand of fratty, kind of out-of-touch humor,” when talking about her edict to change the way Bud Light's marketing was geared so that they could attract more young drinkers. Never is when she called her customers fratty & out of touch. The truth, the actual objective truth, needs to start mattering again or we're in trouble as a country.
@@scottsherman5262 _"You've got that wrong, she said “Bud Light had […] a brand of fratty, kind of out-of-touch humor,” when talking about her edict to change the way Bud Light's marketing was geared so that they could attract more young drinkers. Never is when she called her customers fratty & out of touch. The truth, the actual objective truth, needs to start mattering again or we're in trouble as a country."_ I am not 100% sure did you meant that previously Bud Light's marketing was geared so they could attract more young drinkers, or did she want to change situation so BL marketing could be geared more towards younger people. But because Dylan Mulvaney's core audience is apparently kids and early teens, personally I would think it's quite immoral thing to do to try to affect kids when marketing alcohol or similarly harmful products. I also drink alcohol, so I have very little ideological problems with people enjoying drinks once in a while, I just say keep kids far a way from that as possible. Mulvaney's audience are mostly people who are not even allowed to even buy a drink in several years, so especially if you try to hire people whose audience consist mainly of literal kids, then starting point is not great even if she had not said anything at all.
I think the responses to the controversies are important. For Sam, Bud light, and whoever else. None of them when given the chance to respond made the situation any better or admitted they were wrong. To say they were judged on one comment is simply incorrect.
@@scottsherman5262 It's a distinction without a difference. Calling your brand "fratty and out of touch" and in need of change to resonate with different people is effectively the same as calling your current customers "fratty and out of touch". It's why Bud lost 30% of its revenue. Hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions, did not hear things wrong.
It would have been useful for people who don't know the background but a waste of time for people who saw the interview. And a recap would introduce the dangers of selective editing and bias. Why not just watch the video and make your own judgement?
basically a prime example of someone with trump derangement syndrome- one of the things Sam said was something along the lines of ' I wouldn't have cared if the laptop showed dead children in his basement 😳....' as trump is worse
@@jrd33 The point stands though, nobody, not even in this comment thread (that I can find) has linked to the actual source material. All I can discern it's about Sam considering Trump so next-level bad that there are very few things the 'Biden Clan' can do or could have done that would make Sam start voting for Trump over Biden.
Sam harris clarified that his point is that the sins of hunter biden aren't the responsibility of Joe biden. Its not that he excuses hunter for anything
@@martenvanwezel9694 Well, how much do you expect people to feed you information vrs you finding it yourself? The guy being interviewed is from the triggernomitry (Sp?) podcast and the guest in question is sam harris. So why not search on youtube Sam Harris trig... and bam you get the results you want. Some of the clips are 2min long, some are 8 so you get to pick how much context you want and if you want commentary. You could also search for the whole podcast interview if that's what you wanted too. TH-cam has issues with posting links much of the time - they often delete comments that do. So there is a good reason people aren't linking to the original. It's not hard to find the original clip though if you really want to and it doesn't even take much critical thinking as I displayed with my paragraph above.
I don’t understand why no one discusses ESG scores when they discuss Bud Light and WHY these companies are doing it. It’s because their investors are making them do it, not because they care about any cause.
Oddly enough, it might be inflation and the end of easy capital that ends up shutting off the tap on companies taking controversial stances on anything. Total addressable market includes people you don't personally agree with so, without a zero interest safety net, you literally can't afford to alienate people.
Bingo. No businessmen give a crap about their customers opinions on anything. If I ran a brewery and all the Azof Uknan and thr Hammmmaz all held my beer up and said it was the best, I would say, "what are you gonna do, they must be thirsty?" Then change the subject.
Part of the ESG scheme is bonuses for executives, there are direct financial benefits given to corporate bosses for implementing ESG programmes in their companies.
With the bud light thing, people felt like "the message" was being crammed down their throats from every direction in a way that could not be resisted. The Bud light incident was crossing a line far into their territory where for the first time that demographic was the primary supporter, so they had the means to resist that incroachment for the first time.
And it's not like Mulvaney represents the average trans who just wants to be accepted. Frankly I think he makes a mockery of women with those cartoonishly girlish stereotypical tropes of his. It hardly shines a positive light on either trans- or womanhood. I'd trade my likeness on those cans for Amber alerts. If Mulvaney had thought of doing that, there was no way Bud could refuse publicly and Mulvaney would come out a hero. The consequential massive exposure would seem something a girl like him would enjoy too.
Maybe. It seems pretty mild to me given that its just a label on a product people can buy or not. As opposed to things like taxes or school mandates or stuff with healthcare where people are denied a choice.
@@beksinski it wasn't about the size or significance of the the gesture by bud light. It wasn't about that individual thing. It was an easy way for people to voice how they felt about the preceding string of similar occourances where they felt forced into submission to intrusive propaganda. All they had to do was not buy the product to communicate that they don't accept being forced to adopt a blatant non-reality.
The Bud light episode is hilarious and shows how stupid people are because everybody that was mad at Bud light held Anheuser-Busch in their retirement funds. Everybody's retirement in the United States almost lost 30% during the year that everyone was mad at Anheuser-Busch & target. Republicans work for Klaus Schwab they want to make sure no one is able to retire no one gets social security or Medicaid or a good way and that everybody is poor and mad at any business that they hold in their retirement
Chris considering she was the VP of marketing not some " small person " and was GIVEN Bud Light to keep it going from a man who had built up the brand for 20 years into the #1 beer. She had no respect for her customers, wanted to change it to appease her sensibilities and got burned to hell and back. You also forget that Busch had a window where they could have just apologized and walked it back and this is where you mess up Chris: The company had time to fix what happened, but as the weeks went by, the people who was their customers came to the conclusion that they was not going to do anything or give the usual half hearted approach (which did happen) and people was tired of it, so Busch paid for their "we will outlast the customers and they will come back". Also it was found out later on that this was to be a major push using Dylan as a face for the beer. They walked into that partnership with both eyes open, but didnt realize it would make people so mad that it was worth breaking habits which had been done for decades. Most Americans are forgiving on most issues and mistakes, but you have to own up to the mistake and walk it back. But doubling down on a mistake of that magnitude just cemented their fall.
Totally correct. Which begs the question: why haven't they walked it back? The answer is simple. Walking it back and apologizing would be a rebuke on the corpo-progressive agenda which would result in the largest shareholders flexing, pulling money and lines of credit. In about 18 months, the global economy is going to take a massive downturn and the corpor-progressive agenda will be mitigated.
Konstantin is a diamond in the rough. He is sincere, principled and only taps into criticism out of serious frustration and does not diminish people if he can help it. @samharris should be extremely appreciative and step back and think about his own preconceived notions.
Funny how you praise konstantin and then immediately do what you praised him for not doing. I’d suggest you re-examine your preconceived notions. I happen to like Konstantin, a lot more than his fans tbh.
@@goodvibes-gy3jn I’m not claiming to be as gracious as Konstantin, I’m open to critique and direct especially on hypocrisy and inability to target and identify a coherent belief. That’s what the comments are literally for. Analysis. He was interviewing. Learn the difference
Giving grace to people is different than companies. People speak off the cuff and naturally make mistakes. It makes sense to forgive missteps and look at the whole person. Plus, criticism deeply affects (most) humans so that is generally enough. Monolith companies make intentional decisions to advertise and attract your business. If you don’t affect their bottom line, they don’t hear you.
Exactly, Budlight is a corporate entity forcing a point of view on its customers, who only want beer, not a lecture on some bullshit niche issue. This is why people got upset with AB-inbev
i subscribe to your base point. however, harris didn't "speak off the cuff". these are his not-so-well thought out views on some subjects that are not reason based. and there's an underlying ugliness that he dons with an arrogance that has clearly been practiced in a mirror. that he mistakenly laid bare his baseness not understanding that it is not accepted as the science he attributes to it is just dumb and disconnected from the very things he would like us to believe he is about.
@@rdfarley8555 Yeah, Harris's previous video collection saved him from the full consequences of his unhinged outburst in a number of people's eyes like myself, because it illustrated that overall, he was a well-meaning person. But his usual ponderous chains of logic way of talking were also clearly shown by this video collection to have been thrown aside by irrational fear when it came to the subject of Trump.
Yeah these companies had the arrogance to spend millions pushing an insulting message to would-be customers and beyond. That's very different from someone discussing their honestly held opinions on a platform that viewers choose to engage with. Let's keep politics out of the supermarket please.
Konstantin may be a comedian, but man hes one of the most balanced, intelligent, articulate thinkers and voices out there helping to turn society back to a place where both sides can debate and discuss without being persecuted and 'cancelled'. He's very respectful and graceful, while critically analysing the arguments of the opposing views. He doesnt demonise the other side or fight fire with fire by resorting to hatefilled rants & insults. Its all very calm controlled and balanced. I really appreciate him.
In Finland we live in arctic you know.. Probably not... but anyways, we have recently had in all advertisements about half of the people black. How strange that is considering the ethnicity here. It's like it's all decided somewhere. And mainly there is no white men left in ads.
It's a direct result of top town authoritarianism, dictatorship, propaganda, etc to the masses. Don't think for yourself, do as your told for our purpose. It's very blatant, isn't it?
@@cojo9102Why would they want to agitate their customer base? I think part of the problem is they have vastly overestimated the popularity of woke politics. I watched an interview, it might have been on Triggernometry actually, where someone said that since the 2008 crash, corporations have been scrambling to make themselves seem ethical and caring, which is why all the desperate, shallow virtue signalling
@@funkyfranxlogic is dead. I'm even scared of certain stocks. The corporate world has lost its common marketing sense. I own procter and gamble stock which if I remember correctly owns Gillette. Gillette makes a toxic masculinity commercial when there primary customers are men. WTF???? Maybe it was Johnson and Johnson. I can't keep up with the shit that pisses me off.
Chris you should look into ESG scores and how a lot of this ideology is forced upon large corporations in order to access credit lines. The ad with Dylan Mulvaney was no accident, they were trying to improve their ESG. ESG was not exactly the cause of the backlash against Bud Light but it is the reason these ideologies have become so pervasive with large corporations
except that konstantine is a hypocrite.. "Free speech free speech" "Don't you know I'm a russian jewish person how dare you say that" He had me fooled at first
8:58. Konstantin is exactly right on the Bud Light situation. This was not like a comment taken out of context. The company explicitly and deliberately decided to poke its customers in the eye and tell them they were unworthy of their business. Chris falls back on an unprovable hypothetical to suggest that the public “would have been unfair.” If that’s true, then it shouldn’t be hard to find an actual provable example. I can’t think of one. Without that, it’s not the interesting point that Chris thinks it is.
This. Want to know how you can tell they severely misjudged their core audience and the ability of their product to simply reverse course? Look at the myriad ways they’ve tried to desperately claw their way back into even the most basic market gains- catering and pandering ridiculously to the audience that AH completely spat upon in her interviews. And yet, there’s not been the slightest uptick in stocks.
Quite right. Bud Light / A. B. (or at least the Ad exec they hired to represent them) went deliberately out of their way to suggest they had little but contempt for their core consumers. Their core consumers simply got the memo and reacted appropriately.
I can respect what Chris was doing, almost playing devil's advocate with his questions, really pushing and pulling on Konstantin's thought process with his questions. I really enjoy your podcasts, Chris.
I enjoy his podcasts too. However, here is in conflating a boycott and cancellation. They are not the same thing. One is an individual choosing not to engage in a financial transaction with an entity (boycott), the other is a group of people making sure the entity cannot engage in ANY financial transactions (removed from payment services, fired, etc.). Therefore, criticisms of the later are FAR more valid than criticisms of the former as cancellation is authoritarian.
Chris Williamson and Konstantin Kisin are rapidly becoming two of my favorite listens.They are both amazing interviewers. They listen closely and don't interrupt and at the same time they hold their interviewees accountable for the words they say. They don't let their personal bias interfere. Keep up the great work
The bud light thing was more than Dylan Mulvaney. It was also the fact that the head of marketing came out and basically shit on the consumers of bud light. Calling them outdated and fratty. I don't have a degree in Marketing but Im sure insulting your customer base was not apart of the lesson plan to increase sells.
Lol i drink beer based on price and taste. I didnt realise so many ppl drink beer based on a few out of context comments from someone in marketing, or because they didnt like the person in the commercial
@@enterpassword3313 They were not out of context! The were very specific remarks about the consumers. Why would anyone purchase a product from a company that is disparaging toward you as a consumer. I've never been a bud light drinker unless it was free. So I could care less what the marketing executive said.
@@kylejones7252 actually what i saw was ppl were triggered by the trans thing already, then they feigned outrage at everything else when it was really all about the trans thing the whole time. The full context of what she said was that they used to market to the frat boys, now they wanted to market it more towards men and women. I dont believe anyone actually felt "disparaged" it was clearly a political movement.
@@enterpassword3313 I’m glad you see the things you want to see! It means you are blissfully inept! I listen to words said in reality and took them at face value. I’m sure your opinion is the right one because that’s what you want it to be! Don’t worry about the real world and the things that are verifiable by data collection on the ole interwebs! I’m sure there was a reason she got fired and it wasn’t because she denigrated her consumer and then got caught partaking in said activities while in college.
It's the betrayal. Bud Light was a company that was supposed to be on men's side. Who would expect a beer company to go woke? The gamers experienced the same betrayal back in 2014 when multiple gaming publications (9) all published at the same time articles saying gamers were over and needed to step aside. It's a stab in the back from people who are supposed to be on your side and represent your interests.
Konstantin is right. You can’t look at the individual events in a vacuum, whether it be Bud Light or Starfield. It’s the entire oeuvre of this movement, and we’re just starting to see the first breaking points
@@user-og6hl6lv7p Yes but my point is the common sentiment that anyone who engages with the games is inherently woke. It’s become some form of purity test at this point. It’s starting to feel like the everyone/everything is racist memes of the 2010s
We live in a consumer culture, the companies are the ones creating that culture, and we the people need to make our voices heard on what we want to consume and don't. I originally saw the Bud Light boycott as childish, but I now realise how important it was and for further boycotts, because we need to bring this culture back into normality.
When they gave Dylan Mulvaney a sixpack of Bug Light, the whole united right-of-center said "All you need to do is say you fucked up. Just apologize and take some responsibility." Instead what surfaced was in-depth interviews of absolute wokism and backpeddling cementing their distain for not only the existing customers but also the new people they were trying to cater to turned their back on them. I just find it odd that they lean into politics (and always on the left) when they know for a fact that you will alienate approximately 50% of people who are your potential customers.
if you know that woke is cultural Marxism I imagine that since they don’t like the customers of Bud Light, they also really don’t like Bud Light. So they’re ultimate goal was to change the beer completely into a beer that nobody who used to like Bud Light likes anymore. In their heart of hearts, they didn’t go far ENOUGH. But if that doesn’t work, and all they are able to do is destroy the brand in the company, then that’s fine too .
It's a facet of woke-ist mentality, which pretty much springs from totalitarian ideologies. It's not in their nature to be introspective, because they can't afford to look in a mirror. T.H. White was the one I recall saying in his critique of the "ants" (as representing totalitarian communism), "That which is not forbidden is compulsory"
For the budlight thing, it was mostly that they adamantly refused to aknowledge they made a mistake and apologise. They ignored the controversy and attempted to distract the public with other campaigns, instead. Heartfelt apologies work for everyone except the woke. This was not the time to be stubborn.
My view is that he holds himself to be a great mind on many things, pompously so, and in public statements he ate a knob so wholly and completely that any other word out of his mouth is now tainted. His exposed his biases that could not be dissuades by facts and showed he is no better, and possibly worse, than those he rails against who hold onto religion so deeply it blinds them.
Konstantin and Francis were beyond fair to Sam. Throughout their interview they constantly asked Sam if what he was saying was what he really meant and pointed out the weak points and Sam continued to double down.
Absolutely- KK & Francis were mostly slack-jawed at his wish to not only double down but quadruple down on the level of insanity in which he was willing to plummet. See I think what happened was, SH was a victim of his own narcissism- he lives in such an insular and reverberating echo chamber that he fully believed that what he was saying was the way everyone felt. Truly. This is why society has largely lost its way- and even the philosophers have fallen victim- there’s no ability for anyone to discuss, consider or even listen to another possible view without declaring feelings hurt, triggers pushed, and hurling the most obscene accusations at someone simply because they dare to question the salience of an insufferable position that defies logic but doing so in the most congenial, respectful manner. As an example- question the morality of removing reproductive abilities on a 14yo and you’re automatically labeled all kinds of ists and ics before you can utter a portion of a rational argument.
Yeah, they were fair. Which is why Sam continues to go on their podcast. He realizes the hosts are not responsible for the explosion that came from their audience in response to that clip they also didn’t make or spread. As to Sam doubling down, I believe he corrected a word he used inaccurately in that podcast. Other than that, no need to back track or back down when you are right about what you’re saying. So absolutely I’ll double down on trump being wrong in not committing to a peaceful transfer of power, as an example.
@@timothydoyle6859 he never said everything was on the table to stop him. That’s just plainly false. He said it was a tough call wether you decide to publish widely an uncertain and possibly calculated attempt to smear Biden 10 days before an election. He said he wasn’t sure wether it made sense to wait 10 days to explore that story or wether to risk possible propaganda derailing the election.
Regarding Chris' comment about latent resentment towards Sam, it wasn't latent resentment at all that was blowing up in Sam's face. It was the fact that when confronted about his controversial statements, he doubled down on them. He wasn't wrong. All of us were wrong in his eyes. The reason all of this blew up on him is he exposed himself for who he truly is. He's an ideologue who will wear the mask of having principles and integrity as long as it benefits him but the minute his "principles" might lead to an end he doesn't want he's totally okay with violating every principle he espoused.
Wow! Thank you!! I've been trying but failing to articulate that idea for weeks. (To me, Sam Harris seems like a character straight out of a novel, a constructed 'type', so weirdly complex and devious that one does not expect ever to see such a person walking around in the real world. And yet, here he is: In THIS very world. And with hordes of fanboys; again, as if in a novel. It's crazy.)
@@Verschlungen the crazy thing is there are far more people like him that just haven't exposed themselves in the same way. Covid and Trump broke a lot of people's brains and caused the masks to slip. It sucks to see because even though I disagreed with Sam on a lot of things, I appreciated his perspectives and listening to a different point of view. But now I can't listen to anything he says or has said in the past because now I know the man behind the mask. Everytime he acts like he's so rational and principled, I want to gag.
Can you explain to me why Sam's comment was wrong? I mean I really don't get it, because I agree with what he said. I can't help but wonder if people are just having different interpretations of what his point was.
It was wrong because he basically said that, no matter what his side (liberals) did, it woulld never be as bad as Trump being president. That literaly made him go against YEARS of things he's preached (Logic, rational thought etc). It instantly made him a hypocrite. He used pure emotion and said nothing mattered but how he felt about the issue. That's idiotic. And he said similar things about Covid. Even at a time when simply massive data had been collected that Covid wasn't (and realistically never had been) a threat, SAM was still in full on COVID vaccination hysteria mode. Honestly, I'm strugglinng to see how you can't understand this. Literally going against years of espoused priniciples in order to satisfy his emotional cravings is why so many turned on Sam. Me included. He's shown himself ot be a hypocrite.@@abstractdaddy1384
@@abstractdaddy1384Sam’s comment about his support for lying and using any means necessary to stop Trump, even if these means violating every principle Sam purportedly ever stood for? I have heard Sam also make other very hypocritical and unscrupulous comments regarding COVID that demonstrate his lack of integrity and intellectual honesty when the chips are down. I’m not sure to which comments you are referring.
Absolutely spot on. I think it is also a reason why there are so many men left sour comments online and the rapid growth of red pill communities. When the narratives in mainstream media and every entertainment media are forcing one side of narrative, it is hard to say something else and it builds up frustration and anger.
Another thing that the beer company had going against them is that not a lot of people actually care about them. They are the McDonalds of beer, everyone already passively dislikes them as the cheap watered down swill for the poor, even if they buy it themselves. It's always been fashionable to hate on brands like that, so when they crossed the line the public didn't have to move much at all to end up at righteous fury.
I simply love Konstantin Kisin - he is so centered in truth and yet so very kind in his deep understanding. He does cut through the crap. He does see the point and gets right to it. Thank you, Konstantine.
I haven't trusted him since Ukraine. Go watch the Unherd debate between him and Hitchens, or his Piers Morgan appearance with Jackson Hinkle. In the Unherd debate he unironically makes the claim that "nobody in Ukraine cares about the Donbas" (despite the fact that is what Ukraine are fighting to retake) and in the Hinkle appearance he just makes a bunch of ad hominem attacks, sneering at him in exactly the same way he criticises liberals for doing.
As a long-time listener of Sam, his TDS became a HUGE obstacle to his thinking. I don't care about Trump, and don't want to hear others drone on and on about their inability to handle their TDS.
Yeah, maybe some Sam haters were waiting for him to mess up so they could pounce and maybe they intentionally clipped the interview to make it sound worse but I don't think I'm alone as a former fan of his who watched the entire interview from start to finish and came out of it disgusted. Furthermore, I listened to another Sam interview where he discussed quitting Twitter after that clip went viral and he was straight up gaslighting the audience about what he said. He took no responsibility for his words, instead he claimed that they were entirely twisted by nefarious entities to make him look bad. That was the final straw for me.
@@McP1mpin it was wild watching a guy who is supposed to be grounded in science and meditation get so sideways over these topics and then point the finger at everyone else. His meditation app is supposed to be pretty good. I won't check it out because it seems fraudulent at this point.
The "imagine if the decease had a 100% mortality rate for ... " argument is meaningless. You are basically changing one variable while locking the other - assuming people would respond the same way to a decease with a noticeably higher mortality rate. On top of that, there is a delay between a decease appearing and new vaccines being developed, tested, and shipped to the population, so it's not like everyone needs to make a decision the next day. With proposed mortality rate, the biggest nowadays skeptic won't be able wait to get vaccinated. Though, I agree that the next time anything like it happen, there will be a lot more information pollution that will lead to more skepticism and hesitancy to act timely.
Sam Harris was on a podcast and a clip went viral of him saying that “Hunter Biden could have literal children buried in his basement, it wouldn’t compare to the corruption of Trump university.”
Instead of crying about how it was “exasperating” you could’ve done a 2 second search. This is a clip from Chris’ pod it would’ve been more “exasperating” for him and his team to go out their way to edit and please a couple of people who live under rocks.
For anyone else reading this comment who might not know, the gist of what Harris said is that even if Biden had abused girls in his basement, he'd still vote for him over Trump, because Trump is somehow so much of a wild card that he'd probably start WW3. Which is quite an immoral position, that only someone who had been hyper-alarmed by TDS/paranoia about Trump would voice.
The reason it is the Sam Harris embarrassment tour is that he used to take logical stances and cultivated a logical audience. But now he has lost all logic so his original fans turn against him
@@matthewbazeley2984 By that standard, almost everything is a logical argument. Flat earthers' have a certain logic to their idiocy, too. Sam is just clearly wrong. Shockingly wrong. On both Trump and Covid. He is not the logical and principled thinker we all took him as, earlier on in his public exposure.
@@tux1968 In logic, an argument can be invalid even if its conclusion is true, and an argument can be valid even if its conclusion is false. Sam argues that trump is such an existential threat to the USA the media collusion that took place to benefit Joe Biden was justified. I and expect you too, disagree with his assessment of the risk posed by trump. but tell me this, where is his argument illogical?
@@matthewbazeley2984 It's illogical to assess Trump as an existential threat. There is no logic to it, only fear and misunderstanding. Now you tell me, where is the illogical part of the Flat Earthers' argument? Because, all you're doing is saying that anyone who makes an assertion, is being logical. And there's more to it than that, logic requires honestly and accurately assessing your axioms. If you forgive everyone their stupidity in selecting their axioms, then almost everything anyone says is logical, unless it includes contradictory statements. We should expect a higher standard of logic for purposes of public discourse, than that.
@@matthewbazeley2984the reason Sam believes Trump is an existential threat to the USA is because the media colluded to paint that picture of him unjustly. He's using unjust acts to justify the use of those unjust acts in a circular argument which is illogical.
I think one of many things in the bud light thing was the refusal to admit the mistake and apologise. If this had been done quickly it could have been saved
The thing with Bud Light is like the thing with many companies. They are being pressured into pushing woke agendas that have nothing to do with selling a product through ESG scores from people like Larry Fink. People are sick of it. Sick of the social engineering. Sick of the top down tyranny.
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Concerning the principle of "You can't judge someone on 1 thing they say". That is a good principle. I think in terms of the Bud Light cancellation it was a combination of the sense that it's not just "1 person", but global corporations all pushing in a direction the majority of Americans don't want the country to go in (regardless of what specific view anyone has on the Trans debate). It also came with the now typical non-recognition, followed by non-apology, followed by ultra-American commercials as a cheap way to placate the public back into buying their beer and forgetting everything. The problem is that anyone that's payed any attention has seen this pattern unfold in other places over the past 15 years or so. Another factor is the recognition that people we don't vote for are having more direct control in our personal lives. Bud Light was the one vector that people could control something more easily (not buy their product) vs. the amount of control they had on potentially losing their job if they didn't get vaccinated, discovering ESG scores and realizing their own 401k accounts are being used against them, Being forced to attend DEI seminars and being told every way they think is wrong, etc. They don't seem connected on the surface, but they all stem from the distain of unelected elites attempting to control your life. People refer to the 2016 Trump victory as "a middle finger to the American politics", Bud Light was a middle finger to elites.
You just made me realize it's also a way to control opposition; by giving "the masses" a place they do still feel they have control, the powers that be give themselves that much more breathing room to take that much more control over areas of life they should have never even been able to consider taking control over in the first place.
@@ilovejettrooper5922 Agreed. When we hear month over month of AmBev's losses (Bud Light parent company), it feels like a win, and it is one. I'm not trying to take away from that. However, like most companies, the largest owners of AmBev are the main 3 asset managers (Blackrock, Statestreet, Vanguard). Combined they have 10 trillion in assets. They won't like it, but I think they are willing to sacrifice a few billion if it means more control over all money, people, etc.
@@ilovejettrooper5922that’s how it works. First divide and conquer and then SELL THE SOLUTION. Like aliens being talked about in congress. It’s just a distraction or a solution. We don’t have choice in what we are even against anymore because all sides have been crafted or manipulated. They control how much control you think you have.
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There's a funny quote from one Asmongold, something like "looking for hipocrisy is the terminally online people's porn, but ultimately everyone is hypocritical whenever it suits them". I find that the mere presence of conflicting views or claims in a single person is no cause for criticism, because often the person isn't even aware of the contradition between them. It's much more useful to look at people's reaction when you ask them about it in good faith.
These guys are way too nice to Sam. What Sam said is evil, morally abhorrent and disingenuous. What made it even worse is that It came from a person who a lot of us respected - Then he doubled down.
9:33 There's a MAJOR difference between judging a person you don't know based on one thing they've said... Vs companies pushing woke propaganda and citizens finally being able to voice their opinion on it.
I don't think Sam Harris was "canceled" by the right. He's still doing fine for himself. For many on the right who actually respected him, Sam used to be someone who was left wing, but still reasonable enough to engage with. I think the Triggernometry interview was simply the last straw. For a long time during the Trump and Covid era there were clear signs of his derangement. That interview was unfortunately the final definitive proof of it.
He was only canceled in the sense that people on the right dismiss him while not understanding, assuming or misrepresenting what he said because of the clip that went viral on triggernometry.
@@goodvibes-gy3jn that clip is as bad as it sounds, after having watched the entire interview myself. There is no greater context that needs to be established, it's Sam's literal take on the state of US politics, and if anything, the interview in a broader context makes him out to be even more deluded than the clip itself. He openly admits that collusion by big tech to interfere with elections is *better* than having Trump win honestly. That is extremely damning, and goes against so many of his own ethical principles that it's hard to take him seriously any more.
@@thescoon1 yeah, you clearly didn’t understand what he said. You got emotionally hijacked by a few key words he used and then were unable to listen further because of that. I think trying to convince you otherwise is a waste of time because I don’t think you’re actually willing to be convinced. It’s very clear to anyone that actually watched and heard what Sam actually said, that he didn’t think collusion by tech companies to interfere in elections isn’t good. Keep believing what you want but expect to be called out on your BS if you express it publicly.
I went and watched it again for clarity. He states that in his view the Hunter Biden laptop story was going to ruin Biden's presidency opportunity (and rightly so because that laptop contains details of influence peddling that in all cases *should* ruin someone's political career), and then goes on to say, that if that story got the traction it could have, and I quote: 'We'd have four more years of Trump.' He does go on to say 'Yes it's bad that they can't be honest.' but then immediately doubles back again, saying 'I don't care what's on Hunter Biden's laptop.' which yet again shows his inability to recognise the weight of what information was present there. The story isn't politically irrelevant the way Sam tries to justify here. It's very, *very* relevant to Joe's capacity to be a leader. His own son was using the Biden name, and Joe himself, to influence peddle. And this is why I don't believe this is a good faith position, he's simply employing a strawman to try to get one past the keeper.
Bud light was not about the ad, but about them not backing down no matter what and pushing the non apology apology. They still have not apologized and are actively doubling down to this day.
What did they need to apologize for? You can't expect that just because somebody involved in the promotion is a little different from you. It's the company's business and if it hurt sales it's all even more ridiculous. If every company including ad agencies outed their employees you have nothing to buy because such a petty issue bothers you. No gay or trans people ever physically assaulted or threatened me; plenty of straight males did, however. I have no reason to fear a sexuality different from mine. It's called live and let live. Buy another beer if you're so touchy about the matter.
@@bartonim They need to apologise for pushing the gender ideology that leads to the castration of children. Do you think castration of innocent naive children is petty?
Sam's critics were so vocal due to the shock that an otherwise intelligent person can make such a bad interpretation of reality and use some rather juvenile methods to justify it.
Chris, you have to understand that the reason many people turned on Sam Harris so fast was not because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time; it was because his entire "brand" is built on being mindful, logical, rational and all the rest. Then, he demonstrated quite clearly that he had lost his ability to think rationally about some key topics, at which point we felt it necessary to call out his hypocrisy/inconsistency. It's sort of similar to this hypothetical scenario: imagine there's a religious figure you trust, whose advice you seek on all topics of morality... and then you find out that that person has been having affairs and participating in human trafficking or something for years. It's that kind of betrayal, and that's why we no longer have any time for Sam Harris.
100% this. I'd always liked Sam and was halfway through "The Moral Landscape" when he started saying things that seemed totally out of character for someone I'd long respected as a rational voice. Now I don't see him as a rational voice so am no longer interested in what he has to say. When someone you look up to as a "thinker" starts talking like Whoopi Goldberg it's a slap in the face, and while I hope he recovers from TDS, I don't see how he could ever recover his "brand" as a logical, thoughtful individual. He could possibly get a spot on The View though, so he's got that going for him
It amazes me the amount of people mindlessly half understanding and dealing with the arguments Sam makes. His reaction to trump was completely predictable based on what sam has talked and cared about for years. His dislike of trump and the arguments he’s made against him are completely consistent and of a piece with Sam’s moral and philosophical stance on life and the world. If you couldn’t see that and still can’t, you have been deranged by the trump phenomenon no doubt.
Sam built his brand on objectivity and logic, then he threw that foundation away. It was embarrasing. It didn't discredit his arguments on other subjects, it discredited him as any sort of aspirational role model.
Spot on. But Sam is also guilty of claiming to be able to read peoples' minds and intuit their motivations, which is pretty close to "I just know God exists" in terms of intellectual rigor. It marks him as a bad faith actor.
It wasnt a pebble in a stream. A serious thought leader exposed himself as being not just unreasonable and clumsy but as a manipulator who sees his worldview as more important than what is true. The backlash he got he earned. He should have got what he got. Stop making excuses for the man.
Well said. Sam thinks very carefully before he speaks. He knows and means what he says and has revealed himself. Best that can be said is he is honest.
I don't think Harris really outed himself in any way. He's always been a fairly staunch utilitarian. Things like the Hunter Biden laptop, or what is acceptable (lies, etc) covid policy, are rubber meets the road moments.
Having just come here from scrolling Twitter - one thing I really appreciate is the level of civility in the comment section. Not just here but on TH-cam in general. I don't know what it is, maybe it's the kind of people that are attracted to long-form conversations versus the total dumpster fire that is both Twitter and Instagram.
There's something great about the way that Chris interviews when he says things like "Really? Have you looked at this?" in such a direct way that he puts interviewees on their toes in a non-combative way and it makes me think you could never bullshit your way through an interview with him. I feel like a chat with him could really let you know what you do and don't know about strong opinions you have. A really great interviewer.
I've been familiar with Sam Harris for a long time, believe me, I do not judge him from one statement. I think he's always been profoundly out of touch and this particular backlash is the chickens finally coming home to roost. As for Bud Light, cheap beer is a fungible good, any small reason is a potential excuse to change products, that's just simple economics.
The thing with Harris' statement is that it merely confirmed my opinion that he's needed to get his ass off his shoulders for a long time now. He never should have stuck his nose in politics. It ruined a once great thinker.
Taking things out of context is a real problem. I think we need to give each other more space to be human, and stop jumping to the worst conclusions about things. Remember nuance?
and suggesting things that were clearly articulated were taken out of context is at least as big a problem. i've listened to and read a lot of harris. he's consistent. and since he doesn't always tell you in context (most don't. perhaps so they can use the ole "out of context" tripe?), understanding nuance will help make it clear.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:12 🧭 Konstantin felt terrible about the Twitter storm generated by Sam Harris's controversial comments, emphasizing the unpleasantness of such experiences. 00:27 💭 Quantity of negative comments on social media can become overwhelming, affecting even strong-minded individuals, emphasizing the need to avoid reading comments, as highlighted by Joe Rogan. 00:53 💌 Konstantin's primary concern during the episode with Sam Harris was for Sam's well-being and how he would experience the aftermath of the controversial Twitter clip. 01:49 🔥 Konstantin disagreed with Sam Harris's views on COVID-19 and Trump, expressing concern about overestimating threats leading to drastic actions. 02:28 🎙️ The interview aimed at giving the guest an opportunity to reveal themselves positively rather than exposing or "gotcha" moments. 03:25 💉 Evaluating the risk and reward of COVID-19 and vaccine mandates influenced perspectives on government intervention and public health decisions. 03:53 🦠 COVID-19 was seen as a vaccine that exacerbated vaccine skepticism due to its impact on society and medical systems. 05:17 🦠 Konstantin stressed the importance of investigating COVID-19's origins to prevent future pandemics, questioning the origins and potential for another pandemic. 06:53 💭 Konstantin emphasized the need for an honest conversation about the origins of COVID-19 and the risks associated with gain-of-function research. 09:12 🍺 Analyzing Bud Light's marketing controversy, Konstantin highlighted the tension between corporations pushing certain narratives and the public's reaction to being lectured. 16:46 💥 Konstantin connected the anti-woke sentiment to the perception that major institutions project a specific worldview onto the public, contributing to the pushback against narratives demonizing masculinity. Made with HARPA AI
Williamson is pushing such a bad line on Mulvaney. Thankfully Kisin kicks ass by the end. Their protracted defense of Sam Harris is preposterous though. Sam very obviously meant what he said, in context, as that has been the major text of his OCD for 6 years now. Kisin struck a little bit at Harris by saying "If I shared his view of Trump..." but that very adroitly elided just how insane Harris has become on the subject to other minds. I'll grant Kisin has tactical reasons to not go further, but it's obvious Sam is psychotic.
There is a difference between Sam saying something wrong and a corporation doing a dumb thing. The difference is that one has to go through tens of hundreds of eyes and approvals before it ever reaches yours.
Imagine that..two people openly exchanging information in a reasonable manner. Then having that info cause small changes in perspective that makes everybody better for the experience. In 2023 this is crazy talk
Chris was too kind about people making the choice on vaccination. My take was he was assuming people made thier choice fully informed , I don't think they did at all .most people just believed everything they were told without question, they were literally brainless sheep at every point of the process, and to me this revealed the most frightening truth of my entire life.having had a lifelong interest in politics and history.
@@peterthegreat996Nice try. It's been three years since the "life saving vaccines" rolled out, and all-cause mortality is still substantially elevated above expectation. 80% of adults, and 98% of senior citizens got the shots and all-cause mortality was wholly unaffected.
Exactly - the "boy who cried wolf" effect is a major concern of mine. A part of me wonders if this effect was produced intentionally. I can't think of a better way to neutralize all opposition to the authoritarianism than to deploy something actually dangerous in the near future. I'm very concerned about this.
Great clip. Konstantin is a treasure and nails it IMHO. My father (RIP) fled Hungary during the 1956 "Rebellion" against the Soviets and he instilled in me the hatred he had for Communism and he was the reason I served in the US Military during the Cold War. Further, because Konstantin came from a Communist country I always pay attention. He knows and it resonates with me.
This is one of the very best interview clips I’ve ever watched. Both Konstantin and Chris perfectly articulate the opinions I share on SH, Trump, Covid, and Gillette, and Bud Light. I’m looking forward to the full episode.
Oh my goodness it's been a while since I've clicked on Chris's channel (followed him at 30K and watched him grow to 500K+, and stopped youtubing hard about 6 - 9 months ago) and I was pleasantly shocked to see he's well over a millon subs. ) I'm SO GLAD to see how much this channel has grown Chris! You deserve it so much!!!
Thank you both for helping to keep the sanity by having real honest conversations. I've lost so much trust in our industrial disease complex, our government, and so many humans I once trusted. Lockdowns, lies, manipulations, forced beta vaxxs--social contracts destroyed. Every day seems a struggle now. The continued deception and people ignoring it is nearly unbearable.
To hear Sam tell it, there was no shitstorm. He's not on twitter and "all the opinions he cares about" -- fellow liberal academics -- hardly noticed or cared. So he was able to disregard the backlash as all "right-wing insanity." He's very good at hand-waving away the criticisms that come from those he disagrees with. Which is why he's in a cult.
That depends. I reckon if a woke person disagrees with you opinion, you will not lose any sleep. Are you cultist? To Sam Harris people that disregard science when formulating an opinion aren’t noteworthy, people that can’t see an issue with a president not committed to the peaceful transfer of power aren’t noteworthy, people that won’t listen to you because you’re white and heterosexual aren’t noteworthy. Sam Harris gets criticism from the right and the left equally and I think that’s a testament to his character, but if he had to pay attention to all the criticism he’d go insane.
He’s dismissive of outrage coming from groups of people firmly situated inside the personality cult of trump. Frankly, this seems like a perfectly time and sanity saving way of dealing with likely misguided moral outrage coming from obviously ideologically captured people. It’s like being dismissive of woke moral panic.
By claiming that they're going to start world war III. How about that one? We heard it for 4 years. He was going to give Ukraine to Putin and he was going to empower North Korea by giving them "legitimacy", and he was going to spark a war in the Middle East with Iran and literally none of that happened while he was in office. Instead, all of it is happening while Biden is in office. Sam Harris not only justified the extreme fear-mongering and character assassination but said it didn't matter if none of it was true because Trump posed an existential threat to the world. He literally justified the fear-mongering using the fear-mongering in a circular argument. It was repulsive and he deserved everything he got in response.
I think the issue with the Bud Light ad wasn't that Dylan was trans per se, it was that Dylan was wearing this full-on Audrey Hepburn dress and acted really ignorant or even dismissive of both beer and sports, which is everything that Bud Light stands for. The company could have chosen a transman (someone like Buck Angel would have been perfect!) as their spokesperson and done a really moving ad about how drinking Bud and getting interested in sports helped the transman feel like he was one of the guys, but instead Bud Light chose someone that was completely off-brand, and actively seemed either ignorant or contemptuous of the values of the people that drink Bud Light. Just goes as a warning for all companies to be more careful about who they choose to represent their brands, trans or otherwise.
It's crazy that ppl think that in order to champion women you have to demoralise men and vice versa. We are different, we are complimentary to each other, let's celebrate each other's strengths and help each other with weaknesses, we need each other to be the best we can be, not fighting to be the other....
It's a whole shift of culture. Sam is a part. Bud is a part. Chris mentioned an iceberg. These 2 examples are the tip and people pointing to the tip is all we can do knowing there is a massive issue beneath the surface.
Having watched Sam for a decade, there is something that has changed in his manner and thinking. I feel we owe him the space to work it out until he finds his voice. He just seems to have turned his back on relationships and his commentary was always fenced with humor and sarcasm. There is an edge to his comments today that is somewhat bitter. I hope he is well.
I don’t know what to feel about the way he dealt with the interpersonal relationships he’s had with certain people in the midst of conflicting ideas about the pandemic and I don’t think Sam knows how to feel either. However, his stances on COVID and trump are completely logical and rational if you understand them.
Chris. I love you. I love your show. But it wasn't that people were waiting for Sam to fuck up. He fucked up hard throughout covid and continues to torture logic to this day on the subject.
The Malibu meditator. A victim of his own intelligence. When you spend your professional life at the highest levels of education and intellectual thought, you can start to forget that there’s a real world out there with empirical consequences and real people who don’t conform to your moral and ethical daydreams.
I don't think he did himself any favors (Sam I mean) by completely attacking and trying to denigrate Bret Weinstein who is considered almost across the board as the person who acts in good faith and is willing to admit when he's wrong ..I considered Sam a very open-minded person but his mind is just completely closed on the vaccination thing and the Trump thing ...makes me sad.. just look at Sam's refusal to debate on the various points of disagreement Bret Weinstein is the only person I could think of that would have led Sam to a place of forgiveness and understanding...gracefully... Has Sam logic'd himself into a corner? Is that why he's doubling down on things despite the continuous presentation of the facts pointing to the opposite of his points
Every time I watch people like the two of you my first thought is "if only people like them were more involved in government decision making, the world would be 100 times better". Chris and Konstantin are two examples of healthy and logical thought process that is missing in politics and leaderships worldwide. It's a shame that this kind of talent and personality is rarely found in positions of power. You guys are awesome, please reproduce s much as you can!
I'd read about what Harris said about Trump, and I knew it was, for Harris, practically insane. But I hadn't actually seen it for myself until now. I was still shocked. OMFG. Relatively speaking, it's like seeing some beloved uncle who's unfailingly friendly, kind and generous suddenly vomit up a furious, vicious rant about n-words and people of other racial and religious groups.
Vaccine skepticism is good. The onus is on the institutions to be trustworthy and to show their work when asked. The fault is on them, not on the people who were skeptical after seeing their behavior.
A boycott is not the same as a cancellation though. We didn’t want Bud Light to not exist, we just weren’t going to buy it. Target in USA, didn’t want the shop closed, just weren’t going to shop in it. Bad film? Don’t go see it. Whereas those on the other side want whatever upsets then cancelled, blocked from social media, deleted from all internet and just gone from all of society never to work again
More folks need recognize a thought being explored to highest level capable. Free to find your way, and exhausting reason, we live with our choices until new info arrives. These fellows seem capable of this. Learn it, live it.
The thing I like about Sam Harris is his well thought out response to everything. Even when detractors and former fans are flying into hysterics about something he said that they just don't understand, he maintains his position.
His comment about Trump being such a wild card that he'd still vote for Biden instead, even if Biden was an actual criminal of the worst kind, was not well thought out, it was paranoid drivel, which is why it stood out against his usual well thought responses.
It was never personal, I’m not a fan of Sam Harris cos he’s a bit pretentious but I never hated him. Still, I was jaw on the floor when he said that in the interview, and he deserved every bit of hate he got for it. How can someone who puppets to be rational and meditative advocate for election fixing by the media? Clearly not got his head screwed on
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Ok, I must admit a bit of amusement that you used "viral" in the title and then went on to discuss virology in the vid. Nice touch there. 😉
@@simplegaraksurprised though he’s not aware C19 was most likely not natural in origin… paper is called: “Unnaturalness in the Evolution Process of the SARS-CoV-2 variants and the possibility of deliberate natural selection.” By Japanese Professors Atsuki Tanaka and Takayuki Miyazawa of Osaka Medical University and Kyoto University.
Ye like Sam and then rate his intellect higher than it stands on its own merit.
He has a history of saying things under no duress to express himself. Here is a very fair and honest paraphrasing of his exact words from a friendly enough interview article. Giving himself a choice via a "magic wand" he'd rid the world of religion over rape. These are his opinions and preferences.
Don't try to explain or defend it he dug his own hole. Sam was just a cocky deranged guy still talking down from an ivory throne after being knocked off multiple times. "Everyone else is confused" after clearly deranged statements. His comeback attitude: "Everyone else is confused". Instead of any humility or self reflection... As a European then not familiar with Sam, this was very clear for anyone, not just people holding in resentment.
Most on the the Center, the Right & the Internet gave companies, like Bud Light, people like Sam Harris the benefit of the doubt & separated the art from the artist & years. All the while people like James Lindsey were trying to warn everyone:
"This is not a small group of individuals., or some compartmentalized belief. This is a Totalitarian Religious Cult, that fully infects mind, body & soul. Once infected, there little hope for people who adhere to this Cults ideology. Once an organization is infected, there is little hope for that organization."
People are now are just starting to understanding & fight back.
A boycott is not the same as cancellation. Chris is conflating the two. One is a person choosing not to give an entity, business, money. The other is a person demanding the entity or person be stripped of the ability to do business, be employed, etc.
Bingo!!
@@KevinJDildonik Its libertarian vs authoritarian. A boycott is liberation and cancellation is authoritarian. Motivation is largely irrelevant to me.
@@KevinJDildonik Maybe Bud shouldn't have gone for the ''homo'' angle in their advertising, then. Also, it's not like Dylan Mulvaney didn't have a history of acting like something he's not, in multiple ways.
And yet both can lead to being cancelled. Frankly I don't care. Start cancelling "left" affirming companies that do this shit and watch cancel culture end over night.
A boycott isn’t a single person acting on their own. It’s a concerted effort to tank a company. Just like canceling someone is a concerted effort of people pressuring companies to tank someone. In that regard, they’re like two sides of the same coin-put pressure on a company to force them to do something.
I'm tired of people comparing the follies of a single person getting them in hot water to the blunders of multi-billion dollar corporations. These two are not the same and should NEVER be treated the same.
Yes. "Be compassionate to individuals and ruthless to institutions"
it's not even as if most of the time it's the 'follies of a single person getting them in hot water', a lot of the time it's simply bad actors taking things completely out of context.
It's very hard to give a "mulligan" to a so called intellectual to speak something so outrageously ridiculous. There are so many so called "intellectual s" that have absolutely no common sense it's astonishing. It's as if they live in a bubble of their own making and closed minded attitude that is very repulsive. No personality whatsoever .
You’re tired of individuals who mess up getting compared to groups of individuals who mess up? Why should they never be treated the same if the principle human flaw is the same? Doing that comparison is like the essence of humans learning from mistakes and forming better governance over society. LOL NEVER COMPARE THEM our else my heart will bleed
@@nicholastorres44 Do you honestly think that a corporation is an equivalent moral body to a human being?
Thanks for having me on the show, can't wait for the full episode to drop!
Fantastic conversation so far so Konstantin. As a listener to both podcasts, it's refreshing to hear your views as the interviewee because as much as you push back as the interviewer, I can tell you hold back your opinions sometimes in order to be respectful of your guests time and views. Can't wait for the rest to drop and hope you have Chris on your podcast soon.
@@McP1mpin We've just interviewed Chris so watch this space!!!
Same
Konstantin, I really do enjoy your perspective on a lot of these issues, but I often feel you are unwilling to admit, or see, the dangers the right poses. And you say that Sam overestimated the dangers of Trump. Seeing as how you grew up in a communist society, do you not view the attempted stealing of an election in a democratic nation worthy of the fear that Sam has expressed. This absolutely perplexes me. Most of us left of center knew exactly what he would do if he lost, as he had shown time and time again his lack of respect for our democratic norms and decency in general.Trump was a existential risk to the nation. This threat could not have been overestimated.
Very good discussion so far. Konstantin, I enjoyed how you disagreed with Chris, but were completely civil about it and in no way denigrated him. It's refreshing to see this sort of discourse.
I love Chris, but I think he's misinterpreted where the Mulvaney decision came from as this was a leading marketing executive, not a low level intern. And it was a cumulation of dominos as mentioned. But it's also Dylan Mulvaney, who is a very polarizing individual for the perceptions of her being fake. A perfect storm, indeed.
The Bud Light incident was not just one thing, it was the tipping point of a constant onslaught of that idealogy. Bud Light, Target, Hershey, and tons of other companies have bent over backwards to appease this tiny minority while demeaning anyone who doesn't agree.
Gillette’s commercial about masculinity is another example.
Do you know what bud light actually did
Bingo! I was LITERALLY thinking your comment as Chris was speaking it. I'm so glad you wrote this.
You might wanna look into ESG.
These companies are not “appeasing a small minority of the woke”
They were being shaken down financially, by an entity bigger than them.
They have to appease, in order to get huge loans to opporate and run their business.
Question is why do you care about it?
Bud Light was just the tipping point. I don’t drink beer but I think people were also more upset about the insulting demeanor and comments by the female exec along with the Dillon thing, and this controversy also made a lot of people realize/learn that Budweiser was no longer American owned. I don’t think they will ever come back from this.
Yes, people are tired of companies dismissing them. I watch NFL football on Sundays and 99% of the commercials are anti-man and pro-women. Meanwhile 95% of the audience is male and most of the married males in that group are actively nagged by their wives for actually watching NFL. Yet the adverts spit in our faces as well. WTF?!?
It was really her derision of the main customer base. There are tons of drinking options, why would I go out of my way to snag one where the exec went viral for hating on their customers?
Still the #2 selling beer in the US. Recover from what?
@@toddtheisen8386I see you have no experience in large businesses. Let me explain.
A company like Budweiser doesn’t just choose how much beer they make. They start with, say, enough demand to produce 1,000 cans a month for a profit of $1,000 when their factory has a max production capacity of 1,200 cans/month. If demand keeps increasing and they keep producing more to meet it, they’ll soon reach their capacity. At that point, they will need to open a new factory, but in order to do that, you need to invest hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars. Then, let’s say you produce now 2,000 cans/month, but then something happens and you lose half of your sales. At that point, just shutting down that factory which you no longer need isn’t enough, because you have all the money you invested to build it, plus storage, maintenance, employees, utilities and all the cost of that other factory you still need to pay for.
So now, you sell the same 1,000 cans a month, but instead of making a 1,000 profit, you lose 500/month and you have a massive debt you need to pay.
This is why they probably won’t make it out of it, and if they do, it’s only because they’re owned by a gigantic company that can afford to take the hit for enough time to allow them to recover. This will cost years of profit for their owner, which owns several other huge companies, that’s how bad it was. If they were an individual company, they would’ve already shut down.
If there was a disease with 100% mortality maybe you wouldn't need to mandate anything. Also, if the vaccines work you're good.
Chief Marketing Officer here - that wasnt just "some intern". That went through execs and they messed up.
Bud Light drinkers said, "Message received. Here's our message to you Bud Light."
This isn't complex: Michael Jordan observed that Conservatives buy shoes, too.
It wasn't *just* the Dylan thing with Bud Light. It was the public comments by Alyssa Heinerscheid that were very critical and demeaning about the people to whom it was her job to sell beer. She called her customers "fratty and out of touch" with such sneering condescension that it alienated 25% of their customer base.
@@erikhesjedal3569I think what Hillary did and continues to do is way creepier. Saying people need to be deprogrammed.. sheesh.
You've got that wrong, she said “Bud Light had […] a brand of fratty, kind of out-of-touch humor,” when talking about her edict to change the way Bud Light's marketing was geared so that they could attract more young drinkers. Never is when she called her customers fratty & out of touch. The truth, the actual objective truth, needs to start mattering again or we're in trouble as a country.
@@scottsherman5262 _"You've got that wrong, she said “Bud Light had […] a brand of fratty, kind of out-of-touch humor,” when talking about her edict to change the way Bud Light's marketing was geared so that they could attract more young drinkers. Never is when she called her customers fratty & out of touch. The truth, the actual objective truth, needs to start mattering again or we're in trouble as a country."_
I am not 100% sure did you meant that previously Bud Light's marketing was geared so they could attract more young drinkers, or did she want to change situation so BL marketing could be geared more towards younger people. But because Dylan Mulvaney's core audience is apparently kids and early teens, personally I would think it's quite immoral thing to do to try to affect kids when marketing alcohol or similarly harmful products. I also drink alcohol, so I have very little ideological problems with people enjoying drinks once in a while, I just say keep kids far a way from that as possible. Mulvaney's audience are mostly people who are not even allowed to even buy a drink in several years, so especially if you try to hire people whose audience consist mainly of literal kids, then starting point is not great even if she had not said anything at all.
I think the responses to the controversies are important. For Sam, Bud light, and whoever else. None of them when given the chance to respond made the situation any better or admitted they were wrong. To say they were judged on one comment is simply incorrect.
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It's a distinction without a difference. Calling your brand "fratty and out of touch" and in need of change to resonate with different people is effectively the same as calling your current customers "fratty and out of touch". It's why Bud lost 30% of its revenue. Hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions, did not hear things wrong.
A quick recap on what Harris said would have gone a long way towards clarification of the discussion.
It would have been useful for people who don't know the background but a waste of time for people who saw the interview. And a recap would introduce the dangers of selective editing and bias. Why not just watch the video and make your own judgement?
basically a prime example of someone with trump derangement syndrome- one of the things Sam said was something along the lines of ' I wouldn't have cared if the laptop showed dead children in his basement 😳....' as trump is worse
@@jrd33 The point stands though, nobody, not even in this comment thread (that I can find) has linked to the actual source material. All I can discern it's about Sam considering Trump so next-level bad that there are very few things the 'Biden Clan' can do or could have done that would make Sam start voting for Trump over Biden.
Sam harris clarified that his point is that the sins of hunter biden aren't the responsibility of Joe biden. Its not that he excuses hunter for anything
@@martenvanwezel9694 Well, how much do you expect people to feed you information vrs you finding it yourself? The guy being interviewed is from the triggernomitry (Sp?) podcast and the guest in question is sam harris. So why not search on youtube Sam Harris trig... and bam you get the results you want. Some of the clips are 2min long, some are 8 so you get to pick how much context you want and if you want commentary. You could also search for the whole podcast interview if that's what you wanted too.
TH-cam has issues with posting links much of the time - they often delete comments that do. So there is a good reason people aren't linking to the original. It's not hard to find the original clip though if you really want to and it doesn't even take much critical thinking as I displayed with my paragraph above.
I don’t understand why no one discusses ESG scores when they discuss Bud Light and WHY these companies are doing it. It’s because their investors are making them do it, not because they care about any cause.
New world order
Oddly enough, it might be inflation and the end of easy capital that ends up shutting off the tap on companies taking controversial stances on anything. Total addressable market includes people you don't personally agree with so, without a zero interest safety net, you literally can't afford to alienate people.
Bingo. No businessmen give a crap about their customers opinions on anything. If I ran a brewery and all the Azof Uknan and thr Hammmmaz all held my beer up and said it was the best, I would say, "what are you gonna do, they must be thirsty?" Then change the subject.
Because the focus on ESG was highly exaggerated.
Part of the ESG scheme is bonuses for executives, there are direct financial benefits given to corporate bosses for implementing ESG programmes in their companies.
With the bud light thing, people felt like "the message" was being crammed down their throats from every direction in a way that could not be resisted. The Bud light incident was crossing a line far into their territory where for the first time that demographic was the primary supporter, so they had the means to resist that incroachment for the first time.
And it's not like Mulvaney represents the average trans who just wants to be accepted.
Frankly I think he makes a mockery of women with those cartoonishly girlish stereotypical tropes of his.
It hardly shines a positive light on either trans- or womanhood.
I'd trade my likeness on those cans for Amber alerts.
If Mulvaney had thought of doing that, there was no way Bud could refuse publicly and Mulvaney would come out a hero.
The consequential massive exposure would seem something a girl like him would enjoy too.
Also was appealing to children. Most clueless act in the history of marketing
Maybe. It seems pretty mild to me given that its just a label on a product people can buy or not. As opposed to things like taxes or school mandates or stuff with healthcare where people are denied a choice.
@@beksinski it wasn't about the size or significance of the the gesture by bud light. It wasn't about that individual thing. It was an easy way for people to voice how they felt about the preceding string of similar occourances where they felt forced into submission to intrusive propaganda. All they had to do was not buy the product to communicate that they don't accept being forced to adopt a blatant non-reality.
The Bud light episode is hilarious and shows how stupid people are because everybody that was mad at Bud light held Anheuser-Busch in their retirement funds. Everybody's retirement in the United States almost lost 30% during the year that everyone was mad at Anheuser-Busch & target. Republicans work for Klaus Schwab they want to make sure no one is able to retire no one gets social security or Medicaid or a good way and that everybody is poor and mad at any business that they hold in their retirement
Chris considering she was the VP of marketing not some " small person " and was GIVEN Bud Light to keep it going from a man who had built up the brand for 20 years into the #1 beer. She had no respect for her customers, wanted to change it to appease her sensibilities and got burned to hell and back. You also forget that Busch had a window where they could have just apologized and walked it back and this is where you mess up Chris: The company had time to fix what happened, but as the weeks went by, the people who was their customers came to the conclusion that they was not going to do anything or give the usual half hearted approach (which did happen) and people was tired of it, so Busch paid for their "we will outlast the customers and they will come back".
Also it was found out later on that this was to be a major push using Dylan as a face for the beer. They walked into that partnership with both eyes open, but didnt realize it would make people so mad that it was worth breaking habits which had been done for decades. Most Americans are forgiving on most issues and mistakes, but you have to own up to the mistake and walk it back. But doubling down on a mistake of that magnitude just cemented their fall.
bravo,couldnt of put it better,well said.
You just described every exec and writer at Disney as well :) saw these kids coming up in the office 8 years ago and thought... this is not good.
Totally correct. Which begs the question: why haven't they walked it back?
The answer is simple. Walking it back and apologizing would be a rebuke on the corpo-progressive agenda which would result in the largest shareholders flexing, pulling money and lines of credit.
In about 18 months, the global economy is going to take a massive downturn and the corpor-progressive agenda will be mitigated.
No they turned on Bud within days.
Konstantin is a diamond in the rough. He is sincere, principled and only taps into criticism out of serious frustration and does not diminish people if he can help it. @samharris should be extremely appreciative and step back and think about his own preconceived notions.
Like *_Aladdin?_*
Funny how you praise konstantin and then immediately do what you praised him for not doing. I’d suggest you re-examine your preconceived notions. I happen to like Konstantin, a lot more than his fans tbh.
@@goodvibes-gy3jn I’m not claiming to be as gracious as Konstantin, I’m open to critique and direct especially on hypocrisy and inability to target and identify a coherent belief. That’s what the comments are literally for. Analysis.
He was interviewing.
Learn the difference
Giving grace to people is different than companies. People speak off the cuff and naturally make mistakes. It makes sense to forgive missteps and look at the whole person. Plus, criticism deeply affects (most) humans so that is generally enough.
Monolith companies make intentional decisions to advertise and attract your business. If you don’t affect their bottom line, they don’t hear you.
Precisely.
Exactly, Budlight is a corporate entity forcing a point of view on its customers, who only want beer, not a lecture on some bullshit niche issue.
This is why people got upset with AB-inbev
i subscribe to your base point. however, harris didn't "speak off the cuff". these are his not-so-well thought out views on some subjects that are not reason based. and there's an underlying ugliness that he dons with an arrogance that has clearly been practiced in a mirror. that he mistakenly laid bare his baseness not understanding that it is not accepted as the science he attributes to it is just dumb and disconnected from the very things he would like us to believe he is about.
@@rdfarley8555 Yeah, Harris's previous video collection saved him from the full consequences of his unhinged outburst in a number of people's eyes like myself, because it illustrated that overall, he was a well-meaning person. But his usual ponderous chains of logic way of talking were also clearly shown by this video collection to have been thrown aside by irrational fear when it came to the subject of Trump.
Yeah these companies had the arrogance to spend millions pushing an insulting message to would-be customers and beyond. That's very different from someone discussing their honestly held opinions on a platform that viewers choose to engage with.
Let's keep politics out of the supermarket please.
Konstantin may be a comedian, but man hes one of the most balanced, intelligent, articulate thinkers and voices out there helping to turn society back to a place where both sides can debate and discuss without being persecuted and 'cancelled'. He's very respectful and graceful, while critically analysing the arguments of the opposing views. He doesnt demonise the other side or fight fire with fire by resorting to hatefilled rants & insults. Its all very calm controlled and balanced. I really appreciate him.
@@Lex_Invictus Nice argument.
Are you his mum? Stop simpin dude
In Finland we live in arctic you know.. Probably not... but anyways, we have recently had in all advertisements about half of the people black. How strange that is considering the ethnicity here. It's like it's all decided somewhere. And mainly there is no white men left in ads.
...just sayin
It is decided somewhere 😂. The agencies that make them. It's done purposely to agitate people's feelings
It's a direct result of top town authoritarianism, dictatorship, propaganda, etc to the masses.
Don't think for yourself, do as your told for our purpose.
It's very blatant, isn't it?
@@cojo9102Why would they want to agitate their customer base? I think part of the problem is they have vastly overestimated the popularity of woke politics. I watched an interview, it might have been on Triggernometry actually, where someone said that since the 2008 crash, corporations have been scrambling to make themselves seem ethical and caring, which is why all the desperate, shallow virtue signalling
@@funkyfranxlogic is dead. I'm even scared of certain stocks. The corporate world has lost its common marketing sense. I own procter and gamble stock which if I remember correctly owns Gillette. Gillette makes a toxic masculinity commercial when there primary customers are men. WTF???? Maybe it was Johnson and Johnson. I can't keep up with the shit that pisses me off.
Chris you should look into ESG scores and how a lot of this ideology is forced upon large corporations in order to access credit lines. The ad with Dylan Mulvaney was no accident, they were trying to improve their ESG. ESG was not exactly the cause of the backlash against Bud Light but it is the reason these ideologies have become so pervasive with large corporations
Source: i made it up
Grace, space, good will...coherence and decency. We can definitely use more of these. Thank you both for helping to keep open discourse alive.
except that konstantine is a hypocrite..
"Free speech free speech"
"Don't you know I'm a russian jewish person how dare you say that"
He had me fooled at first
Except one side is trying to ruin your life and imprison you and the other side talks about grace and finding common ground
8:58. Konstantin is exactly right on the Bud Light situation. This was not like a comment taken out of context. The company explicitly and deliberately decided to poke its customers in the eye and tell them they were unworthy of their business. Chris falls back on an unprovable hypothetical to suggest that the public “would have been unfair.” If that’s true, then it shouldn’t be hard to find an actual provable example. I can’t think of one. Without that, it’s not the interesting point that Chris thinks it is.
This.
Want to know how you can tell they severely misjudged their core audience and the ability of their product to simply reverse course? Look at the myriad ways they’ve tried to desperately claw their way back into even the most basic market gains- catering and pandering ridiculously to the audience that AH completely spat upon in her interviews. And yet, there’s not been the slightest uptick in stocks.
Quite right. Bud Light / A. B. (or at least the Ad exec they hired to represent them) went deliberately out of their way to suggest they had little but contempt for their core consumers. Their core consumers simply got the memo and reacted appropriately.
Actually that never happened. What actually happened is ppl were triggered by the trans stuff and started finding other stuff to feign outrage over
I can respect what Chris was doing, almost playing devil's advocate with his questions, really pushing and pulling on Konstantin's thought process with his questions. I really enjoy your podcasts, Chris.
I enjoy his podcasts too. However, here is in conflating a boycott and cancellation. They are not the same thing. One is an individual choosing not to engage in a financial transaction with an entity (boycott), the other is a group of people making sure the entity cannot engage in ANY financial transactions (removed from payment services, fired, etc.). Therefore, criticisms of the later are FAR more valid than criticisms of the former as cancellation is authoritarian.
Chris Williamson and Konstantin Kisin are rapidly becoming two of my favorite listens.They are both amazing interviewers. They listen closely and don't interrupt and at the same time they hold their interviewees accountable for the words they say. They don't let their personal bias interfere. Keep up the great work
The bud light thing was more than Dylan Mulvaney. It was also the fact that the head of marketing came out and basically shit on the consumers of bud light. Calling them outdated and fratty. I don't have a degree in Marketing but Im sure insulting your customer base was not apart of the lesson plan to increase sells.
Lol i drink beer based on price and taste. I didnt realise so many ppl drink beer based on a few out of context comments from someone in marketing, or because they didnt like the person in the commercial
@@enterpassword3313 They were not out of context! The were very specific remarks about the consumers. Why would anyone purchase a product from a company that is disparaging toward you as a consumer. I've never been a bud light drinker unless it was free. So I could care less what the marketing executive said.
@@kylejones7252 actually what i saw was ppl were triggered by the trans thing already, then they feigned outrage at everything else when it was really all about the trans thing the whole time. The full context of what she said was that they used to market to the frat boys, now they wanted to market it more towards men and women. I dont believe anyone actually felt "disparaged" it was clearly a political movement.
@@enterpassword3313 I’m glad you see the things you want to see! It means you are blissfully inept! I listen to words said in reality and took them at face value. I’m sure your opinion is the right one because that’s what you want it to be! Don’t worry about the real world and the things that are verifiable by data collection on the ole interwebs! I’m sure there was a reason she got fired and it wasn’t because she denigrated her consumer and then got caught partaking in said activities while in college.
It's the betrayal. Bud Light was a company that was supposed to be on men's side. Who would expect a beer company to go woke? The gamers experienced the same betrayal back in 2014 when multiple gaming publications (9) all published at the same time articles saying gamers were over and needed to step aside. It's a stab in the back from people who are supposed to be on your side and represent your interests.
Konstantin is right. You can’t look at the individual events in a vacuum, whether it be Bud Light or Starfield. It’s the entire oeuvre of this movement, and we’re just starting to see the first breaking points
Getting called woke for playing Starfield and Cyberpunk always makes me laugh
@@ronmexico7256 Maybe they aren't 100% woke but they undeniably feature woke politics.
@@user-og6hl6lv7p Yes but my point is the common sentiment that anyone who engages with the games is inherently woke. It’s become some form of purity test at this point. It’s starting to feel like the everyone/everything is racist memes of the 2010s
We live in a consumer culture, the companies are the ones creating that culture, and we the people need to make our voices heard on what we want to consume and don't. I originally saw the Bud Light boycott as childish, but I now realise how important it was and for further boycotts, because we need to bring this culture back into normality.
When they gave Dylan Mulvaney a sixpack of Bug Light, the whole united right-of-center said "All you need to do is say you fucked up. Just apologize and take some responsibility." Instead what surfaced was in-depth interviews of absolute wokism and backpeddling cementing their distain for not only the existing customers but also the new people they were trying to cater to turned their back on them. I just find it odd that they lean into politics (and always on the left) when they know for a fact that you will alienate approximately 50% of people who are your potential customers.
Sorry, I misspoke. I was referring to the pundits I follow on TH-cam. There is obviously no such thing as a "united right-of-center".
if you know that woke is cultural Marxism I imagine that since they don’t like the customers of Bud Light, they also really don’t like Bud Light. So they’re ultimate goal was to change the beer completely into a beer that nobody who used to like Bud Light likes anymore. In their heart of hearts, they didn’t go far ENOUGH.
But if that doesn’t work, and all they are able to do is destroy the brand in the company, then that’s fine too .
It's a facet of woke-ist mentality, which pretty much springs from totalitarian ideologies. It's not in their nature to be introspective, because they can't afford to look in a mirror. T.H. White was the one I recall saying in his critique of the "ants" (as representing totalitarian communism), "That which is not forbidden is compulsory"
For the budlight thing, it was mostly that they adamantly refused to aknowledge they made a mistake and apologise. They ignored the controversy and attempted to distract the public with other campaigns, instead. Heartfelt apologies work for everyone except the woke. This was not the time to be stubborn.
My view is that he holds himself to be a great mind on many things, pompously so, and in public statements he ate a knob so wholly and completely that any other word out of his mouth is now tainted. His exposed his biases that could not be dissuades by facts and showed he is no better, and possibly worse, than those he rails against who hold onto religion so deeply it blinds them.
It's kind of frighteningly ironic isn't it? He really came across as the quintessential religious zealot he has so vehemently apposed.
Konstantin and Francis were beyond fair to Sam.
Throughout their interview they constantly asked Sam if what he was saying was what he really meant and pointed out the weak points and Sam continued to double down.
Absolutely- KK & Francis were mostly slack-jawed at his wish to not only double down but quadruple down on the level of insanity in which he was willing to plummet.
See I think what happened was, SH was a victim of his own narcissism- he lives in such an insular and reverberating echo chamber that he fully believed that what he was saying was the way everyone felt. Truly.
This is why society has largely lost its way- and even the philosophers have fallen victim- there’s no ability for anyone to discuss, consider or even listen to another possible view without declaring feelings hurt, triggers pushed, and hurling the most obscene accusations at someone simply because they dare to question the salience of an insufferable position that defies logic but doing so in the most congenial, respectful manner. As an example- question the morality of removing reproductive abilities on a 14yo and you’re automatically labeled all kinds of ists and ics before you can utter a portion of a rational argument.
@@JumpCutThisyes.
Yeah, they were fair. Which is why Sam continues to go on their podcast. He realizes the hosts are not responsible for the explosion that came from their audience in response to that clip they also didn’t make or spread. As to Sam doubling down, I believe he corrected a word he used inaccurately in that podcast. Other than that, no need to back track or back down when you are right about what you’re saying. So absolutely I’ll double down on trump being wrong in not committing to a peaceful transfer of power, as an example.
@@goodvibes-gy3jn Sam doubled down on the idea that Trump was such a singular threat that everything was on the table to stop him.
@@timothydoyle6859 he never said everything was on the table to stop him. That’s just plainly false. He said it was a tough call wether you decide to publish widely an uncertain and possibly calculated attempt to smear Biden 10 days before an election. He said he wasn’t sure wether it made sense to wait 10 days to explore that story or wether to risk possible propaganda derailing the election.
Regarding Chris' comment about latent resentment towards Sam, it wasn't latent resentment at all that was blowing up in Sam's face. It was the fact that when confronted about his controversial statements, he doubled down on them. He wasn't wrong. All of us were wrong in his eyes. The reason all of this blew up on him is he exposed himself for who he truly is. He's an ideologue who will wear the mask of having principles and integrity as long as it benefits him but the minute his "principles" might lead to an end he doesn't want he's totally okay with violating every principle he espoused.
Wow! Thank you!! I've been trying but failing to articulate that idea for weeks. (To me, Sam Harris seems like a character straight out of a novel, a constructed 'type', so weirdly complex and devious that one does not expect ever to see such a person walking around in the real world. And yet, here he is: In THIS very world. And with hordes of fanboys; again, as if in a novel. It's crazy.)
@@Verschlungen the crazy thing is there are far more people like him that just haven't exposed themselves in the same way. Covid and Trump broke a lot of people's brains and caused the masks to slip. It sucks to see because even though I disagreed with Sam on a lot of things, I appreciated his perspectives and listening to a different point of view. But now I can't listen to anything he says or has said in the past because now I know the man behind the mask. Everytime he acts like he's so rational and principled, I want to gag.
Can you explain to me why Sam's comment was wrong? I mean I really don't get it, because I agree with what he said. I can't help but wonder if people are just having different interpretations of what his point was.
It was wrong because he basically said that, no matter what his side (liberals) did, it woulld never be as bad as Trump being president. That literaly made him go against YEARS of things he's preached (Logic, rational thought etc). It instantly made him a hypocrite. He used pure emotion and said nothing mattered but how he felt about the issue. That's idiotic. And he said similar things about Covid. Even at a time when simply massive data had been collected that Covid wasn't (and realistically never had been) a threat, SAM was still in full on COVID vaccination hysteria mode. Honestly, I'm strugglinng to see how you can't understand this. Literally going against years of espoused priniciples in order to satisfy his emotional cravings is why so many turned on Sam. Me included. He's shown himself ot be a hypocrite.@@abstractdaddy1384
@@abstractdaddy1384Sam’s comment about his support for lying and using any means necessary to stop Trump, even if these means violating every principle Sam purportedly ever stood for? I have heard Sam also make other very hypocritical and unscrupulous comments regarding COVID that demonstrate his lack of integrity and intellectual honesty when the chips are down. I’m not sure to which comments you are referring.
Absolutely spot on. I think it is also a reason why there are so many men left sour comments online and the rapid growth of red pill communities.
When the narratives in mainstream media and every entertainment media are forcing one side of narrative, it is hard to say something else and it builds up frustration and anger.
Another thing that the beer company had going against them is that not a lot of people actually care about them. They are the McDonalds of beer, everyone already passively dislikes them as the cheap watered down swill for the poor, even if they buy it themselves. It's always been fashionable to hate on brands like that, so when they crossed the line the public didn't have to move much at all to end up at righteous fury.
Great comment...I think you've got something here for sure.
Mulvany should gradually have sported a large beer gut and a series of progressively louder belches
I simply love Konstantin Kisin - he is so centered in truth and yet so very kind in his deep understanding. He does cut through the crap. He does see the point and gets right to it. Thank you, Konstantine.
I haven't trusted him since Ukraine. Go watch the Unherd debate between him and Hitchens, or his Piers Morgan appearance with Jackson Hinkle. In the Unherd debate he unironically makes the claim that "nobody in Ukraine cares about the Donbas" (despite the fact that is what Ukraine are fighting to retake) and in the Hinkle appearance he just makes a bunch of ad hominem attacks, sneering at him in exactly the same way he criticises liberals for doing.
He’s ok but he’s not immune to self-deception.
@@CMA418 It's not his self-deception that worries me it's his deception of other people. It's deliberate, not accidental.
@@jordane5150 Intent is hard to prove. What makes you think it’s deliberate?
Except he endorses genocide.
As a long-time listener of Sam, his TDS became a HUGE obstacle to his thinking. I don't care about Trump, and don't want to hear others drone on and on about their inability to handle their TDS.
Yeah, maybe some Sam haters were waiting for him to mess up so they could pounce and maybe they intentionally clipped the interview to make it sound worse but I don't think I'm alone as a former fan of his who watched the entire interview from start to finish and came out of it disgusted. Furthermore, I listened to another Sam interview where he discussed quitting Twitter after that clip went viral and he was straight up gaslighting the audience about what he said. He took no responsibility for his words, instead he claimed that they were entirely twisted by nefarious entities to make him look bad. That was the final straw for me.
@@McP1mpin it was wild watching a guy who is supposed to be grounded in science and meditation get so sideways over these topics and then point the finger at everyone else. His meditation app is supposed to be pretty good. I won't check it out because it seems fraudulent at this point.
I like Konstantin very much. He is a voice of reason and he and Francis do an excellent tandem. Congrats Chris!
I still cringe when Chris refers to Dylan Mulvaney as “she”.. so much for voice of sanity, when you still call obvious men women
"our customers are shit".
He's attributing a quote to her that she never said
The "imagine if the decease had a 100% mortality rate for ... " argument is meaningless. You are basically changing one variable while locking the other - assuming people would respond the same way to a decease with a noticeably higher mortality rate. On top of that, there is a delay between a decease appearing and new vaccines being developed, tested, and shipped to the population, so it's not like everyone needs to make a decision the next day. With proposed mortality rate, the biggest nowadays skeptic won't be able wait to get vaccinated. Though, I agree that the next time anything like it happen, there will be a lot more information pollution that will lead to more skepticism and hesitancy to act timely.
Konstantin articulated what I was trying to figure out why Chris was making a false equivocation with Rogan and Budweiser.
Very nice
You could’ve started with a recap of what the controversial tweet actually was. I have no idea what happened so this was exasperating.
Same
Sam Harris was on a podcast and a clip went viral of him saying that “Hunter Biden could have literal children buried in his basement, it wouldn’t compare to the corruption of Trump university.”
Instead of crying about how it was “exasperating” you could’ve done a 2 second search.
This is a clip from Chris’ pod it would’ve been more “exasperating” for him and his team to go out their way to edit and please a couple of people who live under rocks.
For anyone else reading this comment who might not know, the gist of what Harris said is that even if Biden had abused girls in his basement, he'd still vote for him over Trump, because Trump is somehow so much of a wild card that he'd probably start WW3. Which is quite an immoral position, that only someone who had been hyper-alarmed by TDS/paranoia about Trump would voice.
@@TheMightyMidgetJust be nice pal. No need to be unpleasant
Konstantin is a class act. Makes me wanna up my game. Keep it up, Sir.
How much more obvious information does one need to say it came from Gain of Function?? And we’re still doing it. More deadly and more contagious.
Once again, Konstantin provides the voice of REASON.
The reason it is the Sam Harris embarrassment tour is that he used to take logical stances and cultivated a logical audience. But now he has lost all logic so his original fans turn against him
He puts forward a logical argument for his position on trump. I don't agree with it but it's not without logic.
@@matthewbazeley2984 By that standard, almost everything is a logical argument. Flat earthers' have a certain logic to their idiocy, too. Sam is just clearly wrong. Shockingly wrong. On both Trump and Covid. He is not the logical and principled thinker we all took him as, earlier on in his public exposure.
@@tux1968 In logic, an argument can be invalid even if its conclusion is true, and an argument can be valid even if its conclusion is false.
Sam argues that trump is such an existential threat to the USA the media collusion that took place to benefit Joe Biden was justified.
I and expect you too, disagree with his assessment of the risk posed by trump. but tell me this, where is his argument illogical?
@@matthewbazeley2984 It's illogical to assess Trump as an existential threat. There is no logic to it, only fear and misunderstanding.
Now you tell me, where is the illogical part of the Flat Earthers' argument?
Because, all you're doing is saying that anyone who makes an assertion, is being logical. And there's more to it than that, logic requires honestly and accurately assessing your axioms.
If you forgive everyone their stupidity in selecting their axioms, then almost everything anyone says is logical, unless it includes contradictory statements.
We should expect a higher standard of logic for purposes of public discourse, than that.
@@matthewbazeley2984the reason Sam believes Trump is an existential threat to the USA is because the media colluded to paint that picture of him unjustly. He's using unjust acts to justify the use of those unjust acts in a circular argument which is illogical.
I think one of many things in the bud light thing was the refusal to admit the mistake and apologise. If this had been done quickly it could have been saved
Yep, they cared more about DEI and their liberal friends than they did about their customers.
The thing with Bud Light is like the thing with many companies. They are being pressured into pushing woke agendas that have nothing to do with selling a product through ESG scores from people like Larry Fink. People are sick of it. Sick of the social engineering. Sick of the top down tyranny.
I’m a 60 + aged woman…. I’ve been saying for decades the need to respect our men!
I can hardly watch a sitcom where the woman isn’t demeaning the man A reason why she’s many men 25 - 40 are single these days.
The bud light thing is absolutely true. A public facing executive mocked her prime demographic. In a commodity high elasticity market.
Concerning the principle of "You can't judge someone on 1 thing they say". That is a good principle. I think in terms of the Bud Light cancellation it was a combination of the sense that it's not just "1 person", but global corporations all pushing in a direction the majority of Americans don't want the country to go in (regardless of what specific view anyone has on the Trans debate). It also came with the now typical non-recognition, followed by non-apology, followed by ultra-American commercials as a cheap way to placate the public back into buying their beer and forgetting everything. The problem is that anyone that's payed any attention has seen this pattern unfold in other places over the past 15 years or so. Another factor is the recognition that people we don't vote for are having more direct control in our personal lives. Bud Light was the one vector that people could control something more easily (not buy their product) vs. the amount of control they had on potentially losing their job if they didn't get vaccinated, discovering ESG scores and realizing their own 401k accounts are being used against them, Being forced to attend DEI seminars and being told every way they think is wrong, etc. They don't seem connected on the surface, but they all stem from the distain of unelected elites attempting to control your life. People refer to the 2016 Trump victory as "a middle finger to the American politics", Bud Light was a middle finger to elites.
You just made me realize it's also a way to control opposition; by giving "the masses" a place they do still feel they have control, the powers that be give themselves that much more breathing room to take that much more control over areas of life they should have never even been able to consider taking control over in the first place.
@@ilovejettrooper5922 Agreed. When we hear month over month of AmBev's losses (Bud Light parent company), it feels like a win, and it is one. I'm not trying to take away from that. However, like most companies, the largest owners of AmBev are the main 3 asset managers (Blackrock, Statestreet, Vanguard). Combined they have 10 trillion in assets. They won't like it, but I think they are willing to sacrifice a few billion if it means more control over all money, people, etc.
@@ilovejettrooper5922that’s how it works. First divide and conquer and then SELL THE SOLUTION. Like aliens being talked about in congress. It’s just a distraction or a solution. We don’t have choice in what we are even against anymore because all sides have been crafted or manipulated. They control how much control you think you have.
Well said
I'm 58 and a lesbian and I'm coming full circle on men and reviewing who they've be for me despite the initial rough going with my dad. I'm so grateful I recognized my need to understand men before my dad died. The inquiry has served me ever since! Take care fellas, grateful for all you work!!!
Man, either you or Konstantin need to interview Dr.John Campbell when it comes to all things covid. Would be an amazing interview IMO
There's a funny quote from one Asmongold, something like "looking for hipocrisy is the terminally online people's porn, but ultimately everyone is hypocritical whenever it suits them".
I find that the mere presence of conflicting views or claims in a single person is no cause for criticism, because often the person isn't even aware of the contradition between them. It's much more useful to look at people's reaction when you ask them about it in good faith.
These guys are way too nice to Sam. What Sam said is evil, morally abhorrent and disingenuous. What made it even worse is that It came from a person who a lot of us respected - Then he doubled down.
sam taking drugs
9:33 There's a MAJOR difference between judging a person you don't know based on one thing they've said... Vs companies pushing woke propaganda and citizens finally being able to voice their opinion on it.
Looking forward to the full episode. Looks like a great meta analysis of various conversations and experiences.
I don't think Sam Harris was "canceled" by the right. He's still doing fine for himself. For many on the right who actually respected him, Sam used to be someone who was left wing, but still reasonable enough to engage with. I think the Triggernometry interview was simply the last straw. For a long time during the Trump and Covid era there were clear signs of his derangement. That interview was unfortunately the final definitive proof of it.
He was only canceled in the sense that people on the right dismiss him while not understanding, assuming or misrepresenting what he said because of the clip that went viral on triggernometry.
@@goodvibes-gy3jn that clip is as bad as it sounds, after having watched the entire interview myself. There is no greater context that needs to be established, it's Sam's literal take on the state of US politics, and if anything, the interview in a broader context makes him out to be even more deluded than the clip itself. He openly admits that collusion by big tech to interfere with elections is *better* than having Trump win honestly. That is extremely damning, and goes against so many of his own ethical principles that it's hard to take him seriously any more.
@@thescoon1 yeah, you clearly didn’t understand what he said. You got emotionally hijacked by a few key words he used and then were unable to listen further because of that. I think trying to convince you otherwise is a waste of time because I don’t think you’re actually willing to be convinced. It’s very clear to anyone that actually watched and heard what Sam actually said, that he didn’t think collusion by tech companies to interfere in elections isn’t good. Keep believing what you want but expect to be called out on your BS if you express it publicly.
I went and watched it again for clarity. He states that in his view the Hunter Biden laptop story was going to ruin Biden's presidency opportunity (and rightly so because that laptop contains details of influence peddling that in all cases *should* ruin someone's political career), and then goes on to say, that if that story got the traction it could have, and I quote: 'We'd have four more years of Trump.' He does go on to say 'Yes it's bad that they can't be honest.' but then immediately doubles back again, saying 'I don't care what's on Hunter Biden's laptop.' which yet again shows his inability to recognise the weight of what information was present there. The story isn't politically irrelevant the way Sam tries to justify here. It's very, *very* relevant to Joe's capacity to be a leader. His own son was using the Biden name, and Joe himself, to influence peddle. And this is why I don't believe this is a good faith position, he's simply employing a strawman to try to get one past the keeper.
Bud light was not about the ad, but about them not backing down no matter what and pushing the non apology apology. They still have not apologized and are actively doubling down to this day.
What did they need to apologize for? You can't expect that just because somebody involved in the promotion is a little different from you. It's the company's business and if it hurt sales it's all even more ridiculous. If every company including ad agencies outed their employees you have nothing to buy because such a petty issue bothers you. No gay or trans people ever physically assaulted or threatened me; plenty of straight males did, however. I have no reason to fear a sexuality different from mine. It's called live and let live. Buy another beer if you're so touchy about the matter.
@@bartonim They need to apologise for pushing the gender ideology that leads to the castration of children. Do you think castration of innocent naive children is petty?
Sam's critics were so vocal due to the shock that an otherwise intelligent person can make such a bad interpretation of reality and use some rather juvenile methods to justify it.
Chris, you have to understand that the reason many people turned on Sam Harris so fast was not because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time; it was because his entire "brand" is built on being mindful, logical, rational and all the rest. Then, he demonstrated quite clearly that he had lost his ability to think rationally about some key topics, at which point we felt it necessary to call out his hypocrisy/inconsistency. It's sort of similar to this hypothetical scenario: imagine there's a religious figure you trust, whose advice you seek on all topics of morality... and then you find out that that person has been having affairs and participating in human trafficking or something for years. It's that kind of betrayal, and that's why we no longer have any time for Sam Harris.
100% this. I'd always liked Sam and was halfway through "The Moral Landscape" when he started saying things that seemed totally out of character for someone I'd long respected as a rational voice. Now I don't see him as a rational voice so am no longer interested in what he has to say. When someone you look up to as a "thinker" starts talking like Whoopi Goldberg it's a slap in the face, and while I hope he recovers from TDS, I don't see how he could ever recover his "brand" as a logical, thoughtful individual. He could possibly get a spot on The View though, so he's got that going for him
It amazes me the amount of people mindlessly half understanding and dealing with the arguments Sam makes. His reaction to trump was completely predictable based on what sam has talked and cared about for years. His dislike of trump and the arguments he’s made against him are completely consistent and of a piece with Sam’s moral and philosophical stance on life and the world. If you couldn’t see that and still can’t, you have been deranged by the trump phenomenon no doubt.
Sam built his brand on objectivity and logic, then he threw that foundation away. It was embarrasing. It didn't discredit his arguments on other subjects, it discredited him as any sort of aspirational role model.
Spot on. But Sam is also guilty of claiming to be able to read peoples' minds and intuit their motivations, which is pretty close to "I just know God exists" in terms of intellectual rigor. It marks him as a bad faith actor.
Not really.
It wasnt a pebble in a stream. A serious thought leader exposed himself as being not just unreasonable and clumsy but as a manipulator who sees his worldview as more important than what is true. The backlash he got he earned. He should have got what he got. Stop making excuses for the man.
I agree.....why defend him or his views on a particular subject....we all live by our words, why shouldn't a 'really smart guy'...
Well said. Sam thinks very carefully before he speaks. He knows and means what he says and has revealed himself. Best that can be said is he is honest.
It was the literal definition of "arrogance."
I don't think Harris really outed himself in any way. He's always been a fairly staunch utilitarian. Things like the Hunter Biden laptop, or what is acceptable (lies, etc) covid policy, are rubber meets the road moments.
Having just come here from scrolling Twitter - one thing I really appreciate is the level of civility in the comment section. Not just here but on TH-cam in general. I don't know what it is, maybe it's the kind of people that are attracted to long-form conversations versus the total dumpster fire that is both Twitter and Instagram.
@@realistic_delinquent or it's not a big ask coming from Twitter 😂
There's something great about the way that Chris interviews when he says things like "Really? Have you looked at this?" in such a direct way that he puts interviewees on their toes in a non-combative way and it makes me think you could never bullshit your way through an interview with him.
I feel like a chat with him could really let you know what you do and don't know about strong opinions you have.
A really great interviewer.
I've been familiar with Sam Harris for a long time, believe me, I do not judge him from one statement. I think he's always been profoundly out of touch and this particular backlash is the chickens finally coming home to roost. As for Bud Light, cheap beer is a fungible good, any small reason is a potential excuse to change products, that's just simple economics.
The thing with Harris' statement is that it merely confirmed my opinion that he's needed to get his ass off his shoulders for a long time now. He never should have stuck his nose in politics. It ruined a once great thinker.
Sounds like Trump you're describing - without the great thinker bit!!
@@gedvalente4308 a room temperature IQ take with TDS? How original! I've never seen that before. Please continue to run ORANGE_MAN_BAD.EXE for me.
Taking things out of context is a real problem. I think we need to give each other more space to be human, and stop jumping to the worst conclusions about things. Remember nuance?
and suggesting things that were clearly articulated were taken out of context is at least as big a problem. i've listened to and read a lot of harris. he's consistent. and since he doesn't always tell you in context (most don't. perhaps so they can use the ole "out of context" tripe?), understanding nuance will help make it clear.
I can tell that Chris does very thorough investigations of any topics he covers. And by that I mean that he is on twitter all day
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How could he not know that corporations going woke and the public being angry about it is a big deal? What planet does he live on?
Sorry I don't feel bad for Sam. It's because of people like him that life sucked for 2 years.
I feel bad for him. He has no principles, he's tossed in the sea of ideas and fears.
Glad to hear kissin adequately educating someone about a point of view that he doesn’t necessarily share.
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00:12 🧭 Konstantin felt terrible about the Twitter storm generated by Sam Harris's controversial comments, emphasizing the unpleasantness of such experiences.
00:27 💭 Quantity of negative comments on social media can become overwhelming, affecting even strong-minded individuals, emphasizing the need to avoid reading comments, as highlighted by Joe Rogan.
00:53 💌 Konstantin's primary concern during the episode with Sam Harris was for Sam's well-being and how he would experience the aftermath of the controversial Twitter clip.
01:49 🔥 Konstantin disagreed with Sam Harris's views on COVID-19 and Trump, expressing concern about overestimating threats leading to drastic actions.
02:28 🎙️ The interview aimed at giving the guest an opportunity to reveal themselves positively rather than exposing or "gotcha" moments.
03:25 💉 Evaluating the risk and reward of COVID-19 and vaccine mandates influenced perspectives on government intervention and public health decisions.
03:53 🦠 COVID-19 was seen as a vaccine that exacerbated vaccine skepticism due to its impact on society and medical systems.
05:17 🦠 Konstantin stressed the importance of investigating COVID-19's origins to prevent future pandemics, questioning the origins and potential for another pandemic.
06:53 💭 Konstantin emphasized the need for an honest conversation about the origins of COVID-19 and the risks associated with gain-of-function research.
09:12 🍺 Analyzing Bud Light's marketing controversy, Konstantin highlighted the tension between corporations pushing certain narratives and the public's reaction to being lectured.
16:46 💥 Konstantin connected the anti-woke sentiment to the perception that major institutions project a specific worldview onto the public, contributing to the pushback against narratives demonizing masculinity.
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Williamson is pushing such a bad line on Mulvaney. Thankfully Kisin kicks ass by the end.
Their protracted defense of Sam Harris is preposterous though. Sam very obviously meant what he said, in context, as that has been the major text of his OCD for 6 years now.
Kisin struck a little bit at Harris by saying "If I shared his view of Trump..." but that very adroitly elided just how insane Harris has become on the subject to other minds. I'll grant Kisin has tactical reasons to not go further, but it's obvious Sam is psychotic.
There is a difference between Sam saying something wrong and a corporation doing a dumb thing. The difference is that one has to go through tens of hundreds of eyes and approvals before it ever reaches yours.
0:49 You can feel sorry for people who are overwhelmed with shit, but at the same time, you have to consider the possibility that they have earned it.
Imagine that..two people openly exchanging information in a reasonable manner. Then having that info cause small changes in perspective that makes everybody better for the experience.
In 2023 this is crazy talk
Two of my favorite podcasters. Such a great conversation to listen to.
Chris was too kind about people making the choice on vaccination. My take was he was assuming people made thier choice fully informed , I don't think they did at all .most people just believed everything they were told without question, they were literally brainless sheep at every point of the process, and to me this revealed the most frightening truth of my entire life.having had a lifelong interest in politics and history.
The statistics are in - the more red the state the more dead from covid. In fact the more red the state the greater mortality in general.
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@@peterthegreat996Nice try. It's been three years since the "life saving vaccines" rolled out, and all-cause mortality is still substantially elevated above expectation. 80% of adults, and 98% of senior citizens got the shots and all-cause mortality was wholly unaffected.
@@peterthegreat996 I would also be interested in all cause mortality changes and if there were differences between red and blue states.
Exactly - the "boy who cried wolf" effect is a major concern of mine. A part of me wonders if this effect was produced intentionally. I can't think of a better way to neutralize all opposition to the authoritarianism than to deploy something actually dangerous in the near future. I'm very concerned about this.
Great clip. Konstantin is a treasure and nails it IMHO. My father (RIP) fled Hungary during the 1956 "Rebellion" against the Soviets and he instilled in me the hatred he had for Communism and he was the reason I served in the US Military during the Cold War.
Further, because Konstantin came from a Communist country I always pay attention. He knows and it resonates with me.
This is one of the very best interview clips I’ve ever watched. Both Konstantin and Chris perfectly articulate the opinions I share on SH, Trump, Covid, and Gillette, and Bud Light. I’m looking forward to the full episode.
🤔 “Great interview! That said exactly what I already thought”
Oh my goodness it's been a while since I've clicked on Chris's channel (followed him at 30K and watched him grow to 500K+, and stopped youtubing hard about 6 - 9 months ago) and I was pleasantly shocked to see he's well over a millon subs. ) I'm SO GLAD to see how much this channel has grown Chris! You deserve it so much!!!
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Thank you both for helping to keep the sanity by having real honest conversations. I've lost so much trust in our industrial disease complex, our government, and so many humans I once trusted. Lockdowns, lies, manipulations, forced beta vaxxs--social contracts destroyed. Every day seems a struggle now. The continued deception and people ignoring it is nearly unbearable.
To hear Sam tell it, there was no shitstorm. He's not on twitter and "all the opinions he cares about" -- fellow liberal academics -- hardly noticed or cared. So he was able to disregard the backlash as all "right-wing insanity." He's very good at hand-waving away the criticisms that come from those he disagrees with. Which is why he's in a cult.
That depends. I reckon if a woke person disagrees with you opinion, you will not lose any sleep. Are you cultist? To Sam Harris people that disregard science when formulating an opinion aren’t noteworthy, people that can’t see an issue with a president not committed to the peaceful transfer of power aren’t noteworthy, people that won’t listen to you because you’re white and heterosexual aren’t noteworthy.
Sam Harris gets criticism from the right and the left equally and I think that’s a testament to his character, but if he had to pay attention to all the criticism he’d go insane.
He is not in a cult. But yes he's wrong about it and simply doesn't see it.
He’s dismissive of outrage coming from groups of people firmly situated inside the personality cult of trump. Frankly, this seems like a perfectly time and sanity saving way of dealing with likely misguided moral outrage coming from obviously ideologically captured people. It’s like being dismissive of woke moral panic.
I don't know you can overestimate the destruction certain personalities in a world leadership position can have.
By claiming that they're going to start world war III. How about that one? We heard it for 4 years. He was going to give Ukraine to Putin and he was going to empower North Korea by giving them "legitimacy", and he was going to spark a war in the Middle East with Iran and literally none of that happened while he was in office. Instead, all of it is happening while Biden is in office. Sam Harris not only justified the extreme fear-mongering and character assassination but said it didn't matter if none of it was true because Trump posed an existential threat to the world. He literally justified the fear-mongering using the fear-mongering in a circular argument. It was repulsive and he deserved everything he got in response.
I was looking for the full interview and was about to ask why I can't find it. Can't wait for this to drop.
I think the issue with the Bud Light ad wasn't that Dylan was trans per se, it was that Dylan was wearing this full-on Audrey Hepburn dress and acted really ignorant or even dismissive of both beer and sports, which is everything that Bud Light stands for. The company could have chosen a transman (someone like Buck Angel would have been perfect!) as their spokesperson and done a really moving ad about how drinking Bud and getting interested in sports helped the transman feel like he was one of the guys, but instead Bud Light chose someone that was completely off-brand, and actively seemed either ignorant or contemptuous of the values of the people that drink Bud Light. Just goes as a warning for all companies to be more careful about who they choose to represent their brands, trans or otherwise.
Sorry but Buck Angel would NOT have been well-received by the base.
It's crazy that ppl think that in order to champion women you have to demoralise men and vice versa.
We are different, we are complimentary to each other, let's celebrate each other's strengths and help each other with weaknesses, we need each other to be the best we can be, not fighting to be the other....
It's a whole shift of culture. Sam is a part. Bud is a part. Chris mentioned an iceberg. These 2 examples are the tip and people pointing to the tip is all we can do knowing there is a massive issue beneath the surface.
Sam's fear and hubris got the front seat in that interview, which is funny considering what he espouses to value.
Having watched Sam for a decade, there is something that has changed in his manner and thinking. I feel we owe him the space to work it out until he finds his voice. He just seems to have turned his back on relationships and his commentary was always fenced with humor and sarcasm. There is an edge to his comments today that is somewhat bitter. I hope he is well.
Sam is a pychopath and it took the interview with Konstantin to reveal this.
I don’t know what to feel about the way he dealt with the interpersonal relationships he’s had with certain people in the midst of conflicting ideas about the pandemic and I don’t think Sam knows how to feel either. However, his stances on COVID and trump are completely logical and rational if you understand them.
@@goodvibes-gy3jnthey are internally rational if you look at them apart from the facts. If you consider the facts, they are evil.
Great discussion, excellent and thought-provoking points, thank you! Subscribed!
Chris. I love you. I love your show. But it wasn't that people were waiting for Sam to fuck up. He fucked up hard throughout covid and continues to torture logic to this day on the subject.
The Malibu meditator. A victim of his own intelligence. When you spend your professional life at the highest levels of education and intellectual thought, you can start to forget that there’s a real world out there with empirical consequences and real people who don’t conform to your moral and ethical daydreams.
I don't think he did himself any favors (Sam I mean) by completely attacking and trying to denigrate Bret Weinstein who is considered almost across the board as the person who acts in good faith and is willing to admit when he's wrong ..I considered Sam a very open-minded person but his mind is just completely closed on the vaccination thing and the Trump thing ...makes me sad.. just look at Sam's refusal to debate on the various points of disagreement Bret Weinstein is the only person I could think of that would have led Sam to a place of forgiveness and understanding...gracefully... Has Sam logic'd himself into a corner? Is that why he's doubling down on things despite the continuous presentation of the facts pointing to the opposite of his points
I've been looking all over for this "viral" clip with Sam.. would have been great if you guys could have linked it in the description section.
Every time I watch people like the two of you my first thought is "if only people like them were more involved in government decision making, the world would be 100 times better". Chris and Konstantin are two examples of healthy and logical thought process that is missing in politics and leaderships worldwide. It's a shame that this kind of talent and personality is rarely found in positions of power. You guys are awesome, please reproduce s much as you can!
Hell yes ^
"Sell them the beer and shut up"😂
A woman who made the marketing decision to engage Dylan mulvaney was a VP of marketing. Not some random isolated low level executive.
Too much of looking for excuses for The Mulvaney episode
I'd read about what Harris said about Trump, and I knew it was, for Harris, practically insane. But I hadn't actually seen it for myself until now. I was still shocked. OMFG. Relatively speaking, it's like seeing some beloved uncle who's unfailingly friendly, kind and generous suddenly vomit up a furious, vicious rant about n-words and people of other racial and religious groups.
Vaccine skepticism is good. The onus is on the institutions to be trustworthy and to show their work when asked. The fault is on them, not on the people who were skeptical after seeing their behavior.
A boycott is not the same as a cancellation though. We didn’t want Bud Light to not exist, we just weren’t going to buy it. Target in USA, didn’t want the shop closed, just weren’t going to shop in it. Bad film? Don’t go see it. Whereas those on the other side want whatever upsets then cancelled, blocked from social media, deleted from all internet and just gone from all of society never to work again
More folks need recognize a thought being explored to highest level capable. Free to find your way, and exhausting reason, we live with our choices until new info arrives. These fellows seem capable of this. Learn it, live it.
Konstantin is one of the most reasonable influencers alive
Yep. He likes playing it safe.
The thing I like about Sam Harris is his well thought out response to everything. Even when detractors and former fans are flying into hysterics about something he said that they just don't understand, he maintains his position.
Even well thought out ideas can be irrational.... or just plain crap.
I dunno. This sounds to me like , in a negative way, even though someone is wrong, he is still clinging to that notion
His comment about Trump being such a wild card that he'd still vote for Biden instead, even if Biden was an actual criminal of the worst kind, was not well thought out, it was paranoid drivel, which is why it stood out against his usual well thought responses.
@dll7658 It's even though others think he's wrong he doesn't cave because he knows he's not wrong. I like that.
@@wikkedworld You mean he won't accept when he is wrong?
Love how Konstantin breaks down his arguments. He has a very sharp mind. I admire his competence
It was never personal, I’m not a fan of Sam Harris cos he’s a bit pretentious but I never hated him. Still, I was jaw on the floor when he said that in the interview, and he deserved every bit of hate he got for it. How can someone who puppets to be rational and meditative advocate for election fixing by the media? Clearly not got his head screwed on