Miami Dice: Rising Sun
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ค. 2024
- Tom and Sam take a look at the newest addition to the CMON family of games from Eric M. Lang, Rising Sun!
00:00 - Introduction
01:40 - Game Overview
09:57 - Final Thoughts
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I've been excited for this game since I backed it, glad to see you guys liked it!
I like the little back and forth between you and Sam at the beginning.
LOVE this intro for "Miami Dice"... glad you guys are still using it :)
Looks like CMON and Eric Lang have done it again. The minis look beautiful, art looks amazing and this has some awesome-looking mechanics.
Late to the party, but Tom you have such a great way of explaining games! Great review
Being that Blood Rage is my favorite game, I'm glad to know this one was different enough to own both in our collection. Sooooo glad my boy Greg backed this joker! Good review guys, excited to play it!
Blood rage was amazing, and still is once of our groups most played board games. well made,easy learning curve,well designed and awesome minis. RS looks to follow the same recipe. Can't wait for this =)
I've seen some of your videos and I love it when you put that Blood Rage sound bite, cracks me up every time Dice Odyssey!
BurntFaceMan yeah, I'm very excited to have both on my shelf, and the differences make me happy too cause it's not just a simple re-skin, Eric Lang is quite brilliant in changing up formulas enough to keep them fresh and interesting.
Leon Rikes thank you Leon, a friend of mine suggested I add that overlay on my voice when I say blood Rage. It's produced some hilarious results.
finally got my copy in and it is fantastic. Everything that you do matters and very little down time. War may take a few minutes more, depending greatly on the player, but most it should last is 10-15 minutes per war phase. This game, the first time you play will have a long first round, spring season, but after that everyone will know exactly what to do.
Backed this on KS, and cannot wait for this to arrive. Looks amazing, and will look super snazzy on my Mat board =)
I just loved Rising Sun. The game has amazing replay ability . The amount of choices and variation of strategy and the engagement between players and the cards play really well. For me is on the same level of Blood Rage. CAn't decide which one I like better. I agree, 4 is the sweet spot for this game.
I would contend that the models, in all their gory glory, drew in more buyers than it turned away. So to say he is limiting his customer base is likely the exact opposite of reality. I think Eric takes older ideas and refreshes them really well. Sometimes it is his own ideas... like Midgard to Blood Rage...... and this time I think we have a fusion of Senji with Shogun/Samurai Swords/Ikusa. The whole money behind the screen, and hiring the Ronin, just really reminds me of that game. And it even came with cool Koku, and castles for the map where fortresses were.
Where's Zee? :(
What did he think about the game?
Excellent job, thanks guys!
After finally getting it played last night, yep, it lived up to the hype.
I tried RS today. I agree with you guys 100% on your review, although I haven’t played Blood Rage yet.
Love the "sorry not sorry" at the beginning.
Oh man can't wait to paint these minis!! First game I ever backed on kickstarter and I am super excited!
Same here. First game! And the plan to paint. but then the KS buying snowballed...
This is the first game i have backed on kickstarter too!
I've never painted minis before so i'm not sure if i will.
"That's good. You've taken your first step into a larger world."
Welcome to the CMON treadmill guys! ;) I know that statement sounds negative but as an owner of All seasons of Zombicide, Zombicide Black Plague, Arcadia Quest, Massive Darkness, Rum and Bones, and now Rising Sun I can tell you, welcome to the club, clear out some shelf space, your going to need it!! ;)
I'm new to the board game world, I find it so cool that people paint the pieces, you're even "supposed" to. Sounds like so much fun and you're game really becomes "your" game and unique!
Looks great. I didn't back because of the 3-player minimum but really wanted to.
I'm going back and rewatching all of the Rising Sun playthroughs now that it's shipping to KS backers. Does anyone know when the regular retail version of the game will be widely available in stores?
Welcome to the Dice Tower. Rising Vasel and Sam Sun. I can tell your going to be running the dice tower in the future. (Bows, while someone strikes the gong).
Was curious of Zee's view on the game, though I'm sure he'd like it as well.
Are your two "brick" walls different colors?
Reminds me somewhat of a more complicated Inis, though the later looks more fun.
this is a definite buy for me, have you guys checked out Battle for Rokugan from Fantasy Flight? its up for preorder so did know if they have said anything to you about reviewing it. it looks similar to this game
How does this compare to Kemet?
18:27 I guess there are two approaches to balancing a game's factions, and the way that Tom and Sam are talking about here is more common, I think. The other approach that works quite well is one where every time you play *every* player feels like all the other players have amazing, overpowered factions. If every player feels like all the other players are overpowered then you're doing something right. >:) Duel of Ages 2 is like that, and I've played plenty of Cosmic Encounter sessions that were like that.
Cannot wait to get my Kickstarter Exclusives for this awesome game.
I trust you guys to do honest reviews so I was a little scared to watch this video. I was worried you won't be that excited by it and I would have to live with buyers remorse for 6+ months. So glad you liked.
Are you guys going to do a review of The Dutch East indies? Love to hear your thoughts about this one. Greetings from Belgium.
Is the release date already known of this game? I don't seem to find it on BGG
I don't get it. Isn't this still at least 8 months away from shipping?
I won a copy as well. Of the four of us at our table, three of us won. I've got my kickstarter copy coming, which will be better in every way, so I've been trying to decide what to do with the unopened copy I won.
This video really makes me want to play it now rather than sell it and wait.
TBH, Kickstarted edition just has way too much stuff. Cumbersome level of stuff.
Sam- Blood Rage is "ONE OF my favorite games of all time". TI4 IS THE NEW KING!!!
Good catch!
RecordsHisPlays Yeah, I was wondering about that too. Maybe he's just reserving judgment until he sees how TI4 is and how much he can play it? (I know not being able to play TI3 often was a big factor in his moving it down to number 2 in favour of Blood Rage.)
All aboard the hype train!!! It's my first Kickstarter game and I can't wait.
Ross Myers mine too. It's been all downhill after that;)
I need to know the song at the very beginning of the video
Does the black and white ring bases for the Daimyo & Shinto units come off for painting purposes?
Matthew Sessions Yes
Awesome! Thanks David Andersson
you make me almost regret cancelling my kickstarter pledge (full exclusives), but its just another one of those games i would never get to the table. looks fun, but hard for me to get 3+ players often enough to make it worth it.
The reason I enjoy Bloodrage a bit more is because there's more stuff to do. I never feel like I'm doing that much in Rising sun. There are only 7 actions a turn and only one or two of them will really be efficient, the rest feel like you're getting ripped off. And you don't buy that many cards. In bloodrage you keep doing actions until you run out of rage and you start with a fistful of cards each turn.
The thing I'm afraid of is playing with either 3 or 5 when someone might always feel left out of the "tea ceremony". Cause I imagine it CAN happen for someone to be "forever alone" in a playthrough. Is it possible to win completely without allies?
There ARE benefits to not being allied. Ex. you can't get screwed by the betray action; additionally, combat is the primary means of scoring victory points, and you only battle if provinces have enemy units in them. There's a pretty real points cost paid for that extra action from allying. Also, losing armies in a battle get paid a gold from the victor for each unit lost, so it's not like getting beat down for a while is a hopeless situation.
TLDR: Maybe, going to take many play-throughs to know for sure.
Tom had no ally during his entire play and he didn't suffer for it at all.
Thanks Eric Summerer
So I just played my first game and it was awesome.
I have 1 question in regards to the Lotus Clan. LOTUS gets to select whatever Mandate they wish. Early in the game, LOTUS picked me(I was the player to his left in turn order) twice in a row as an ally. So for 2 rounds we were unchallenged in our ability to first MARSHALL (we each built Strongholds) and then RECRUIT. After the second season we ran away with the game. As the Turtle clan I was putting out 6 models during recruit and neither of the other 2 clans were even close.
Im not criticizing the game at all. Its awesome. I just wonder how you slow down the runaway leader problem that may exist when the LOTUS Player can pick the player to his left and get 2 back to back Prime Mandates unopposed...
Im afraid that with his ability to go first (Honor track) and his ability to pick any ability PLUS being able to bury Mandates he doesn't want to come out could be a serious balancing issue.
Yaaaaay, RISING SUN!
Man, looks so amazing and simple, already waiting to pick it up.
My only concern is my game group, where are only 3 people total - the alliances may not work so well... :)
Tom hit on it slightly, but I would think it would compare more to Cry Havoc. How well do you think those games go head to head?
Should have kickstarted this :)
hi guys! Do you think there is a better war game out there?
Christmas alliance is going to be tough to beat
Are they doing the review in the alley behind a Taco Bell?
I have been wanting to pick up Cry Havoc before seeing this game. However, I'm wondering if this game would completely replace it on the table. What do you guys think?
Isn't really much negotiation in Cry Havoc, so that's a big difference. I like Cry Havoc quite a bit so would recommend it. I did back Rising Sun though, and will happily keep both in my collection.
Did yall record a game!?!?!?!?!?!?
Lucas Werda yes pls
"Rising Tom" I couldn't tell if that was a joke or an actual mistake.
How is it compared to Senji?
The action selection reminds a lot to Puert Rico.
My only question is about the board.... It seems too small ... playing Schyte with a single opponent made me feel that gameboard not too big but it was in the end comparing with this one.... here I can't believe you wont feel that sensation.... you can't pass half the game in a temple ( my consideration made me recall some Heroes of m&m maps)
feels a lot more like cry havoc than blood rage i think
Thank you for confirming that this is not the game for me. So glad I didn't throw my money away based on KS hype.
I feel like it's wrong to post a full review 6 months before release! What a tease!!!
I would agree that if you are only in one battle you will have down time, but then I think you really should be in more than one battle if only for the money pay out. 😁
Saw this was posted: happy remembered the game is still 8 months away: sadness
The background is very clean and professional. Idk if this will become a regular thing or if its just this once, but I'm a fan. Great video.
You know, calling this a successor to Blood Rage isn't a bad thing. I think trying to point out that it's not a successor is an error. So much of this game is Blood Rage 2.0 and if I were to list all the things mentioned in this video to my gamers, they'd say it sounds like Blood Rage without hesitation. Again, not a bad thing. I realize they don't want to call it Blood Rage 2.0 because there are other elements in the game and they want it to stand on its own, but it's like saying Eldritch Horror isn't a successor to Arkham Horror when it obviously has ties to the other game.
There's card drafting, there's area control where you get different bonuses depending on which area you control, there's bonuses for losing battles, there's monsters that you can acquire on your team, there are different cards available for different ages, and the list goes on. To just say that the miniature quality and the Loki strategy aspect is all it has in common with Blood Rage is a joke.
I love Blood Rage and I'm sure this one is good too, but I wish Zee was in this review to balance Sam's unwavering opinion. Zee just seems to have a better way of getting his thoughts across and is able to make counterpoints to the others' comments that allows for me to get a better perspective of these games.
Thanks for the review.
Is the Lotus Clan Overpowered? In our game last night the LOTUS Player granted 2 back to back Marshals actions and the other 2 players were never able to catch up. Basically whoever Lotus decides to ally with is super strong. How do you mitigate the LOTUS Power to run away with the game?
Sean Reynolds i would assume it is since player who played with them also won our game... We didnt even allie with him... Still he won
Please make a proper full game playthrough for us common folk! xD The one on the kickstarter page doesn't do justice to the game :/
Somebody should've told the artist of the game board to look at a map of Japan before designing it because that map isn't even close.
Creative license. Monsters couldn't be summoned in feudal Japan if you hadn't noticed
cameron knotek-black how is that relevant, It's set in Japan so don't you think the board should look like Japan? I repeat "isn't even close". It look horrible.
Eh, it's pretty close for the Muromachi period.
Maybe the artists were aiming to have the game set in a Edo period of Japan, seeing the capital city of Edo is on the board?
If so, the board art works just as fine because there are WORSE drawn map of the historical Edo period of Japan lol.
Look no further than google image 日本江戸時代の地図
nekochen I was referring to the shape of the islands not the time period.
Why are some videos called Miami Dice? Thank you.
which is better with 3 players? Rising Sun or Blood Rage?
probably Blood Rage, this is about fighting and can be fairly quick. With Rising Sun you want more players, more interesting decisions.
Why is this kickstarter releasing in April 2018, when it seems to be ready already. Production should take couple of months, so the game should be releasing this year.
C r s The base game is ready, and indeed most of it was quite a way along before they even launched the Kickstarter. But the add ons (and there are many add ons) are still being worked up.
That said, they are in final plastic samples stage already and I wouldn't be surprised if it shipped earlier than its April 2018 estimate.
Dune is still the negotiation king when it comes to area control, not a fan of blood rage but this does look like a fun quick game with some lite negotiation elements.
Never heard of it. I'll have to check it out.
They day that they rerelease Dune with the original theme and some upgraded components, is the day that my boardgame collection will be complete.
I have not played Dune but I have played Spartacus, have you tried the game?
I have, Spartacus is a fun game i enjoy it, but it is difficult getting enough people together due to the games length. Also the arena battles are its weakest aspect with players often moving constantly until 1 eventually give in and lets the other attack first.
Spartacus is a fun game with negotiation but Dune is the benchmark in many peoples opinion
Out of Print. Impossible to buy. Complete grail game right there. The Dune license holders screwing us over!
1:03 I could be wrong, but I don't think Lang refers to this game as the "spiritual successor" to Blood Rage. He says that, just as Blood Rage is the spiritual successor to Risk, Rising Sun is the spiritual successor to Diplomacy; that comparison makes more sense to me.
well great. now lets just wait 8 more months ;(
Yes it is funny
I think you forgot to mention in the rules overview that the winner of a battle has to distribute all the coins he/she spent as evenly as possible between the losing players.
True, but this isn't a teaching video, just enough to give you an idea of how the game works.
Let me see you war phase!
I haven't seen the review but am really excited !!
Sun of Sam would have been too much I think...
Blood Rage demoted to ONE OF Sam's favorite games of all time? #1 TI4, #2 Blood Rage, #3 TI3? :)
I just noticed he had said that as well. The last time I can remember him doing this is when he was messing with us about his new number 1 game last year. If that's the case, then that's a quick toss up again within a year's time. Blood Rage knocked off another game for me earlier this year to become my number 1, and I have yet to play another one that has toppled it yet for my personal tastes. I thought Terraforming Mars had a chance...but alas, tis not the case.
The Dice Odyssey Tom just "told off" Eric for putting the same game on his Top 100 twice (two Merhants of Venus from different publishers). So I don't think Sam would get away with that. 😁
Cthulwho? I would hope not lol. But hey, tastes change and sometimes the new shiny makes you so excited ya might be willing to change your mind on your favorite game. Who knows, something could come along tomorrow to knock blood Rage off my top spot......but I doubt it anytime this year 😎.
south park mentioned you
That game looks really good but there's no way I can get to pull it out with my gaming groups.
Philippe Gaboury why not ? :)
Time to find a new gaming group, hah.
Philippe Gaboury are you in Amsterdam region by any coincidence ?
OMG!
The only negotiation I like in a game is Cosmic Encounter but I don't know how I feel about it here. I like Blood Rage since it's quite streamlined, but this feels like it has more "fiddly-ness" with the negotiation and battle phase. I feel the great plastic may inhibit one's opinions about the game. I loved Blood Rage, but it is slightly over-rated, and without those mini's do you think it would rank as high?
Hmm I don't know on this one. I'm not bashing the game, but I know Sam and Tom are huge Lang fans, so their appreciation of the game has to be taken with a grain of salt. I'll have to watch some other reviews on this before pulling the trigger. I would just go with Lords of Hellas, but I hate what they did by making everything KS exclusive. I'm not hunting crap down for a board game(CMON is bad with that garbage too)
Its interesting rising sun isnt higher on bgg its my ATF
I mean it’s number 33 so it’s up there
@@juderudd1711 sorry i meant rising sun lol
@4:22 it looks like ... he's shuffling a deck of 'cardboard' cards?
Did they really make cards from cardboard that need to be shuffled? Oh man ... I am so NOT looking forward to finding sleeves for those. :(
When Sam compares it with other games released “this year”...what year is that? With The Dice Tower consider this a 2017 game because the raffle winners got it in 2017 and are already playing it?
Or, assuming it is released Jan-Mar 2018 as expected, will it count as a 2018 game?
I can’t help but feel that if they put it in a “Top 10 Games of 2017” list they are going to wind up a lot of KS backers. 😤
Played this yesterday with 6 players. Result: I was bored as hell. The game looks beautiful, yes. The monster and season cards all have their cool or mildly interesting features, but honestly when it was not my turn I felt my self dozing off LOL. Even in the war phase (the meat and potatoes here), it was meh to me. Also, the negotiation was not that important honestly, specially when people can betray one another. Like, we were all expecting it to happen so when it did, it did not change anything really, because people planned ahead for it individually.
6 people? it's a 5 player game and they even stated it plays best with 4. perhaps the down time and you not playing properly had something to do with your boredom.
Robert McGinley with the Dynasty Invasion expansion, and even with the Daimyo pledge on KS, you end up with 1-3 extra clans and the ability to play 6 player.
Nothing like blood rage. Thats a stupid question why are people asking it?
I just think alliance games are a strange breed as you know that only one of you is going to win so somebody has to screw the other person at some point before the game ends so you aren't really in an alliance, you're just teaming up on other players and then turning on your 'alliance' partner afterward. Doesn't sound fun to me. Now, if both alliance members can actually win together such as in Fief: France 1429, that's different.
Or you could forego winning and just help your alliance member win and take solace that you won the game by proxy.
Can't wait for mine to show up and slap some paint on those puppies.... T H A N K Y O U
f I commit sepuku, my enemy can not take me as a hostage, but I can still take him as a hostage if I´m already dead?
Yes you can
Definitely put off by the fluorescent colour of the minis. Why not do a Blood Rage and simply have them all grey with different colour bases?
I would guess it comes down to budget. This was a kickstarter so they got that $$$.
I love the colored minies. To each his own I guess.
Agreed, miha ha. Grey minis look awful!!! And they are not even practical, in cases like this, where the base colour is set to distinguish something else.
miha ha me too
The reason is they're using coloured bases for a different purpose which is to identify your shintos. This lets you distinguish your faction and shintos at a glance rather than relying on sculpts, which is even more difficult when sculpts per faction are different.
Weeb Rage! :D
If i could have watched this while the kickstarter was going i might not have canceled my pledge.. the videos they had were so confusing and turned me and my group off. I will never buy retail though knowing everything i missed out on with the kickstarter edition.
well that's a dumb reason not to play a great game.
Talk with your local game stores; lots of stores backed the project, and there's a slim chance that all the copies weren't spoken for, or someone backs out before the release date.
I'll still play it, just someone else's copy. I don't need to buy everything, but for the games I do buy I want everything! Either way, looks like a great game the way DT explains it. Can't wait to try it!
I'm sure there will also be plenty of KS versions available on Ebay...for a price...
Christophe Davidson that’s where I picked up ALL the KS bits for mine. Well....all but the official metal coins. It cost a pretty penny, though. 100% worth every bit.
might be one of those games you have to play, before seeing if it's fun or not. cause it looks boring as hell.
Could you please elaborate on this?
Elaborate?
[passive aggressive enraged fan comment]
It does not
@@jorunholm9060 It basically means "can you explain more/why".
RS is the worst Lang I have played. A strong lack of interesting choices in a mechanic mix that feels like nothing is working as well as it should.
Thankfully there is no component drop!! I loathe that! So disrespectful to the hard work and effort put into the games.
No interest as game is over produced and the alliance mechanism will just cause king making and pettiness at the table.
Subcomandante73 Sure, if you say so.
these eric lang games are such a rippoff why not do a economy version of the game without tose minis?i like the sentinel tactics model wehn you really like the game you can buy those expensive minis. no choice for you as a consumer.thats bad.
Normally I would totally agree, as a lot of games are pricing me out of the market. However, when it comes to area control games, for some reason I like the minis being a part of the presentation of the game. I think it brings the focus of the game on the units ans monsters and helps create the proper environment.
Because it takes away from the theme of the game. Also as far as I know CMON hasn't released a MRSP for the basegame.
you pay for a premium product. That's why.
The minis really bring a fun bit of flare to the game that you can't get any other way. I really enjoy the opportunity to paint them up.
YOU may not want minis MANY do. Rip off is the wrong word completely. We get it you want a 25 dollar version of this game. That's not really their problem. They decided on the product they wanted to make, they made it, you don't wanna buy it, they knew you wouldn't anyway
I think you did a bad job of explaining the game. I usually like Toms reviews but he ran through this and I wasn't following.
I so wanted to support this game but when I went to take a closer look at it the monsters just turned me off. Too demonic and disgusting with decapitated bodies and heads and other vile depictions. Not for me at all, although I really thought it looked cool and I really wanted to own it.
You probably also don't want to study Japanese history, religions, mythology, folklore, etc.
aowoodworks It was part of the appeal for me.
Hmm yeh its probably for adults.
Yep, definitely the part that made me stay in the KS
pezcow23 *manchilds
I cant look at that board for more than 1 minute....terrible artwork