I Watched the Republican Convention. The Democrats Can Still Win.
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- This year’s Republican National Convention was Donald Trump’s third as the party’s nominee, but it was the first that felt like a full expression of a G.O.P. that has fully fallen in line with Trumpism. And the mood was jubilant. Speakers even made efforts to reach out to unions, Black voters and immigrants - imagining a big-tent Republican Party that could be far more formidable at the ballot box.
But if the Democrats were running a strong candidate right now, no Democrat would look at that convention with fear.
In this conversation, moderated by the show’s senior editor, Claire Gordon, we dissect the themes and undercurrents of the convention and what they might signal about a Republican Party in the midst of change. We discuss how the party is messaging about race, immigration and populism; what JD Vance believes and represents for the party; what all this means for a Democratic Party that is divided about President Biden’s candidacy; and more.
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This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Elias Isquith. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Mary Marge Locker, Jack McCordick and Kristin Lin. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our senior editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Annie Galvin and Rollin Hu. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.
I recently found this podcast through YT recs and am quite enjoying it. I went to glance at the comments and saw a ridiculous amount of people saying rude things, so I just wanted to add my voice to say I’m glad this podcast exists, thank you for sharing!
I'm glad too! :)
Yeah i don't even agree with this podcast but i listen to him everymorning going to school, its a good podcast, people are just haters
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The funniest thing I have heard all year.
Really? trump winning the next election is a source of mirth to you? lucky you.
@johntarter5661 and then you're going to flip out when he gets elected again. Then you can feed off your fake outrage for the next4 years.
"If your yacht is less than 150' I suggest voting blue"- someone else in the comments section on another video
What is happening in the comments? Clearly not the usual listeners lol
I'm not joking, most likely botted activity. You can see how the bot networks turn up 100% when the election cycle starts. Most are Russian.
We listeners like try out NYT leftist-cult propaganda . The old listeners are listening to Cackling Kamala 😜…
Im a Haley voter, and if you think I’d ever vote for her again, Ezra, you’re sorely mistaken. She sold out and abandoned a lot of us, much like the Party has. Suddenly I’m an unwilling Independent, but my vote for her was always a protest against Trump and a vote for Ukraine. She caved on all of that.
You don't have to"cave" ,Vote Blue ,put Country over your Party that has abounded most Conservative Republicans and is now the Party of Trump and Putin !!
Thank God she caved on war. It's time we get these neocon war hawks out of the system.
@@dustinheffker3524 so we’ll chalk your vote up for indifference to aggression and suffering then?
@@dustinheffker3524 And yet I'll bet you were fellating Bush and Cheney when they were bullshitting everyone about WMDs in Iraq.
Did you read Vance's book? Many many folks from Appalachia were offended because apparently the book blames hillbillies for not pulling themselves up by their bootstraps. Maybe he is just good at building Trojan Horses.
Vance was t really a hillbilly, he came from a Very Upper middle class /privileged family
This guys got tds lvl 9k.
Yes they can still try to change the rules again.
Which they never did, Boomer. I don't care what the angry men inside your teevee set told you.
This show lacks any critical thought.
It’s Ezra
Ezra is so wishy washy
Ok genius!😂🤡😂
@@markbantz9699 More intelligent than you.
Ah. You disagree with stuff someone says so instead of making a single point which even attempts to demonstrate that they are wrong you make a single unsupported assertion. Well done you.
Unfortunately this is copium
Thanks Ezra for these podcasts. I have come to truly enjoy these hours with you and your great guests. 🙇
This is SUCH an interesting, thoughtful, and insightful podcast episode! Thank you both! I honestly feel a bit of hope as this episode comes to an end. :)
- from a "double hater" Centrist who values human dignity, truth, and justice
I love how he says Trump is about showmanship and reality TV, as if that doesn't perfectly describe Obama.
did obama have a tv show? last time I check between obama and trump only one of them actually had a position in law making before being president
I like Ezra Klein Show. Watching from India.
😅😂 Not a chance. President Trump has Virginia, all the swing states , and he's trending in New York and Jersey.
LOL. There's 0% chance a Republican is ever going to win in NY buddy.
Opinion or propaganda?
Democrats for Trump
Gross
I listen to media from all over the political spectrum. Not to find truth but to know what that corner of reality thinks is true. Ezra is where i go to know what psudo-intellectual coastal liberals think. They are, unfortunately, a demographic with a disproportionately large influence.
Biden condition as of today July20, 2024 is even a lot worse than attending First Debate three weeks ago. Biden showed plain anger and loss of focus every time he was interviewed for past 2 weeks. Even his pronunciation is worse than weeks ago.
If Biden is going to step aside within days, then let's see who would be willing to contest the top or the bottom of the ticket. Don't see many are willing. Except Harris is "obligated" to step up under any circumstances.
It's not that he is rapidly declining the last two weeks, it's that his handlers completely hid him from any unscripted unteleprompted interaction with anyone for most of the last 4 years. Instead of demanding that he sit for unscripted interviews and press conferences, the mainstream media criticized everyone who dared to suggest that he frequently looked lost and befuddled,, and they knowingly conducted interviews with him where the questions had been previously approved by the administration, something that has never been done and never should be done in a free democracy. If you think he's worse in the last couple of weeks, it's only because you haven't watched any of his interactions in the last 4 years very closely.
The best thing about The RNC was amazing vibes the was the best it was so entertaining has me in tears . The Democratic Party is absolutely in shambles why don’t they run on their policies instead of trying to demonize Trump believe me their are lots of people right now that are voting for Trump you would never expect
Please learn the difference between "there are " and "their" so you can be taken seriously.
A lot of early commenters here didnt actually listen to the whole podcast.
Первый!
Trump trolls now infest every rational podcasts.
Never need to listen to the arguments - they wouldn't understand anyway...
I would like to read somewhere how Usha's parents could immgrate to America. The media never explains this.
Trump 2024
I believe the Ezra Klein show would benefit from a permanent debater which would be a thoughtful & reasoned conservative to respond to his liberal perspective looking thru his prism on to the right.
Just sayin...
Conservatives aren't really part of this election, they aren't voting for Biden or Trump. You'd need Vance on himself to try and.. negotiate the talking points
Absolutely agree. He's an intelligent person, but it's clear he doesn't interact people who disagree with him very often.
Thoughtful and reasonable conservatives don't exist. Even Bill Buckley was just as dumb as the average knuckle dragging redhat, he just said the simplistic rhetoric with a silly accent and a thesaurus, so it sounded smart to stupid people.
Agree. Ezra's bubble is strong.
Democrats for Trump!
LOL...some Democrat...not
BETTER PRACTICE YOUR GOOSE STEP!!!
The last sentence in the title is punctuated incorrectly. It needed a question mark. The answer is no.
Not according to Allan Lichtman, who has a highly effective predictive system based on American elections going back to the Lincoln election and inculcating insights from a Soviet siesmologist mathmetician in the 80's.
@@WackadoodleMalarkeyOk, well good luck with that...
MAGA 2024
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Cruella DeJill should be ashamed of herself letting her husband be humiliated daily for the whole world to see. He belongs in a Nursing home not in the WH. 😮
🦧👈😃 I trust Dr Zaius over Dr Jill any time
She is the most narcissistic, self centered woman in America right now!
the whole future of the country and she still thinks primarily of not wanting to be dethroned back to Delaware filling her days with elder care. We all know why she’s doing it, but it’s shocking and SHAMEFUL!
Dr. Jill beats on ole Joe
She is Jekyl & Jill mwahahaha!
What have Democrats done for the middle class???
Cope and seethe, Democrats. Yes, you can still win. You know, when the polling place closes, and another 100,000 ballots *appear* in the middle of the night. There are going to be a LOT of Republican poll watchers, this year.
“Poll watchers”
Confirming Klein's theory on polarization and the MAGA's overall love of conspiracies to allow them to pose as victims.
Let’s all laugh together
😂
I’m a democrat voting for trump. I mean we don’t know who we would be voting for against him. Biden? Whoever advises him? His replacement? Kamala? It’s just insane
The sky could also fall in tomorrow, it isn't very likely though.
As long as Ezra doesn't claim to be a journalist, I'm fine with this hit piece. Like Fox and CNN and the other alphabet hate mongering entertainment shows. I wonder what it was like when the world had journalists...
The closest thing left to real journalism in this country are First Amendment Auditors on TH-cam. Even a lot of them are biased.
@@rrussell9731 we only had 3 TV network shows and they were only 1 hour. Anti Vietnam stories were drowned out by our faith in government knows best.
I thought the analysis was spot on. Also I am a cat lady.so Vance can go to Hades. His entire book was about how these displaced Appalachians are poor because they.make poor personal choices.
How would you define the word "Journalist"?
Very reasonable take on what's happening and on the strengths and weaknesses of the candidates and parties. It is Trump's election to lose right now. He is very capable of doing that. It is not Biden's to win.
If true, then only because of the electoral college. Trump will never win the popular vote.
Well put, Trump for the good and the bad is like a bull in a China shop, circumstances might favor him and he'll still find ways to fumble it.
"Lispy Democrat Employee of the NYT HOPES Democrats Can Still Win."
Fixed it for you.
😂😂😂 💯
This is a great podcast…sending it out to my friends🙌🙌🙌🙌
All the trolls 🙄. Ezra is a brilliant journalist.
ARE YOU HAPPY NOW, FREAKING EZRA KLEIN!! >:(!!!! we are without our shepherd
"The ayatollah of National conservatism "- fine stuff 👌
Ezra interviews himself
I agree 100% the Dems have to stop turning on themselves and they can pull this off.
Ezra needs to quit huffing the copium!
"They are so Weak...they are the only two candidates that can beat the other one"...that sums it up. Joe...get out now!
You mean steal ?! 😮
Ezra is right about Harris. She is much stronger than her detractors think.
She polls at 1% in black communities... She was the least liked candidate in the 2020 primary. She was hand picked for you by the donor class, hence no primary.
"They were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should."
This is the deep cut political takes I come here for.
To see how out of touch the left is
Tell me you still wear a mask inside your own car driving solo...
Without telling me you still wear a mask inside your own car driving solo...
It's over...
With enough drink coolers full of "camera equipment" anything is possible. 😂
BAHAHAHAHA😂😂😂😂
Great commentary. Clear-eyed objective view of things which is rare in media these days.
Kamala Harris: "Unity doesn't count unless people unify around my exact policy agenda."
What should happen is Biden & Harris should trade places. That way Biden is still there with all his experience & institutional knowledge but his health wouldn't be such a major factor.
Just wow 😂😂😂
Boring.
"Riding with Biden" 😂
😂😂😂
No.
Not legally
Ahh propaganda, going back to play book I see
Nice podcast Ezra! I love the balance and insight you bring to the discourse ❤
Harris sounded great in that clip. I hope she can answer tough questions on the spot, too.
I hear the soy in your voice...
why are you listening ?
@@direwolf6234 I want the NYT to have credible coverage from all sides, so I give them a chance. I lasted a little less than 4 minutes.
@@ZlevelS😂
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I hear it in yours too...
Ezra ~ Was that the best clip of Harris available? Her speeches are characterized by platitudes and partisanship. That has never been a winning combination outside of a friendly audience. I’ve listened to her since she was AG of California (where I live). Nothing has changed based on your clip. She needs to be real with audiences.
Is she even capable of that? I have never heard her deliver a speech that displayed something beyond superficial phrases.
She's a lightweight who can't speak about anything except abortion in an unscripted way that seems remotely authentic. She also has a habit of laughing inappropriately when pushed and challenged. There is a reason she didn't get very far in the primaries.
Nataional Conservatism:
Libturd way of saying patriotism.
WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT ?
It will interesting to see what you will say after hearing the blubbering common rhetoric of a lifelong career politician’s convention
A lot of ppl see Republicans as well off or wealthy. They vote Democrat because they feel they do not get paid well enough or out of envy. In fact, ppl who feel this way don't understand that their wages-- while they could get a higher paying job elsewhere -- are average. And there is nothing wrong with being average...it's very hard to develop skills that might put one in a higher wage bracket. Plus lots and lots of Repubs earn average wages as well, but the stigma remains because ppl want more for themselves.
What a lot of those folks who vote Demo out of feelings of "being average"... don't understand is that by voting Demo they limit their opportunities more to do better. And usually much of that way of getting better involves transfer payments from other taxpayers. That ain't the way to get ahead.
LOL
Great analysis.
💙Vote Blue America 🇺🇸
Democrazy
Bet it took you 5 mins to conjure that one up out of your colon.
After Jan 6th, I did another of research about who the rioters were and many of them owned thier own businesses and were fairly wealthy which shocked me because of what they did. I also have discord a anti government extremist religious group who believes the God made america are also independent wealthy busdiness owners
You did "another" of research? Uhhh...
@@NiecyB well…it depends on what platforms you did your research. How do you know they were viable? This is the problem with the news today, all bias, not like it was 30 years ago,or even 20 years ago, or even 15 years ago.
When the news just recorded the news.
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This title is a tacit admission of defeat, an Echo of "Bernie Sanders isn't out yet." What a clown show.
If you weren't a fool, you would see the distinction between legal and illegal immigrants that conservatives see.
The same conservatives that voted against the bill to restrict illegal immigration? Or did you forget that one?
What happened to just reporting the news without bias? When did reporting from one side become normal?
It's a Podcast, not the News. There's a difference.
It’s called an opinion podcast. These are Ezra Klein opinions.
@@panda-ep6xo …then he should have his own podcast, not piggybacking on a large news corporation. It’s more a judgement on them, as they are letting/approving Ezra, using their platform for his personal opinions.
@@LadyShanghai-wj1kh the ny times editorial page let's dozens of people use their platform all the time ... op-ed ....
@@names_are_useless then Ezra should have his own set podcast, rather than piggybacking on a large corporation.
Can, but not likely.
I’m a dem, but I refuse to vote for Biden, unfortunately this whole episode is a weak argument when the truth is a regular person in this country, lower middle class, isn’t going to vote for another 4 years of Biden. Sorry.
The 10 million new voters who've been LET IN will.
Man these lies about noncitizens on voting rolls are quite persistent. Tough to have a country that moves forward when half of the people believe a bunch of proven lies.
Look up the word fascist
@@Ardna53 oh so I’m a fascist because I don’t want to vote for either of our candidates? Cool.
@@dextersuarez9948 Did you vote in 2020?
Wow-the first time I’ve ever heard a cult member speak.
How did I stumble upon this sycophantic garbage
Unbelievable-had to hold my nose & hold down my sick
Obviously didnt listen to the speech at all
Ezra listened but selectively filtering through his self imposed liberal wishful filter of a progressive believer.
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Funny how the Trumpers love to hate this show. Helps the algo
Funny how liberals swallow all this media garbage
I actually come here to challenge my beliefs - and jokes aside - I appreciate his ability to engage with others on the political spectrum. And I think that actually carries without of others commenting here. They come here to get out of the echo chamber. But it’s so galling
You don’t understand JD Vance at all. Your derision is unsavory. “Genuinely saddens me.” Please.🙄
You missed. Trump 2024
Many in the democrat party are leaving because of people like this so called "reporter"
22:00 that's an important point! Look into what happened to Gerog Gartner - the German POW who excaped a prisioner camp in the US and spend a few decades under a false identity. He went crazy - he now speaks in German and English mixing the two languages mid sentence and talks about himself as if it was someone who's not him. The problem is that there's a characteristic of our personalities that exists in all of us but in different levels - and we still can't explain why that is so - and the higher the level is the easier it is for a person to maintain that cognitive dissonance for a long time: psychopathy. And since that makes it easier to climb the steps of the political power we end up having a lot of people with high levels of psychopahy in leadership positions. The good news is that most humans score very low in the psychopathy index. (💡) In my opinion what we must do to people in high positions both in government and in the private sector who are caught deceiving, lying, defrauding or covering thing up is what the barman did to Edward Norton's character in The Grifters when he sees a 2 dollar bill on Norton's hand where just before he turned his back to get the change there was a 20 dollar bill. (We should not do exacly what he did! We should be quick and effective in the prosecution and punishment.).
💡I hypothesis came to me about the polarization and why Trump supporters have reached such levels of compativeness: If your explanation for what causes J.D. Vance to undergo a conversionn because how hard it is to keep the cognitive dissonance going for too long we should expect the same to also have happened - much earlier, btw - with Trump supporters. BTW, we should also expect that journalists to also be affected. Something tells me, for instance, that you don't feel comfortable saying that "the case againstg Trump in NY created the appearance that the system was against him" . The discomfort is caused because it did not create an appearance - it was indeed lawfare. For a journalist who votes democrat I see two possibiliies: either becoming a Rachel Meadows or a Jon Stewart - and I think that luck is on our side and you'll edn up like a Jon Stewart. Unfortunately most people who work in news media will become Rachel Meadows.
Here in Brazil I'm less hopeful but also less worried. We're alsready not that far from grown so it will be a short fall and we won't take anyone else with us. Also, there are fewer people working in the news media and the few independent outlets struggle to fund themselves - there's no Jon Stewart or Symour Hersh here anymore - they are all dead. We don't even have an Ezra Klein around. Also, instead of Trump we have Lula - and Lula is a genius ... an evil genius. I heard rumours that DuPont offered him millions of dollars for a sample of his skin. Their goal is to develop the perfect anti-adherent coating: one that nothing sticks to and that never gets damaged. Lula is a crook but he managed to people who had left his party because they considered Lula's actions in 2003 a betrayal of party principles to end up blindly supporting him. But ... I lived through the hyper-inflation and saw the 1982 national soccer team loose the world cup - it won't get worse that. The problem is what will happen to your country - a nation that has has the potential to end life on earth things get worse. The irony is it would also fix Global Warming because the nuclear winter would most likely take our planet back to the Snow Ball Earth times. BTW, you have no idea how the FED's interest rate hike is damaging almost all countries around the world - and they are that high because that's what the people understand to be the correct measure and the Democrats need to win. It's not the correct measure - it wasn't correct when Paul Volker got Brazil, Argentina, Mexico and other countries bankrupt in the 1980s. You people should stop trying to fix things with "advertisement campaigns" and really man up because the problem is serious but there's a solution. The solution is a candidate who can get a huge number of Trump voters to change sides and that person exists - it's a man, he's white and old: Bernie Sanders.
And on the third day, he rose again! One of my names for the dude is the Golden Calf.
At 31:30 Ezra Klein talks about isolationism as a strain in the GOP, but he just takes *** at face value *** the things that Trump and Vance *say* about Ukraine. Like, "we don’t want to spend money in Ukraine we want to rebuild our industrial base."
Sure. Right. I remember that from the first term. Infrastructure Week, they called it. How can Klein be this naïve?
At 00:23:36 theres a section where, rather than admit to himself and his audience that these people are now openly calling themselves "Christian Nationalists" Ezra Klein dredges deep for an acceptable euphemism and comes up with "National Conservative" (there's a Wikipedia entry for that, and it's basically what you call a Christian Nationalist if you're afraid you might lose your audience if you call the movmeent what it is.)
All ah is SATAN. JESUS IS GOD OF HIM AND EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE
Very insightful analysis, thanks.
This podcast is summed best by a quote from Tools' Maynard,
"He had a lot to say, he had a lot of nothing to say.
Cult 😳
This podcast went off the rails at the end
I subscribed to Erza Klein because it makes me feel close to the boyfriend who broke up with me. He's a fan of Erza. He enjoys listening to him, and I loved how he would breakdown something Ezra said or referenced, when I didn't quite get it.
Sounds like you are falling in love with him…
Ezra, are you buying into this shit. I'm disappointed
Listening to this is laughable… TRUMP2024
Than keep watching you R N C and see and hear what your party stands for , or you can just read ,Hitler's Speeches!!! We all know how that ends,ref WW2 ,We ,Americans will Not Vote for a 3rd War to defend another Hitler and his Nazi Ideology!!!
“Here’s how Bernie can still win.”
This is hilarious 😂
Ezra, I am trying to become a neutral (but conflicted) observer, because I am an expat who has tried to keep my eyes on the prize…you’ve got to help me continue to pay attention to what is truly important
Saying at a campaign event in July that we care about the races, the immigration of people who are working to supply the US supermarket, and the employees within that supply chain, does it change anything below the surface.😮😮😮
Excellent.