"Something about it still feels off" (GTA 3) It's because 2001 Liberty City is supposed to feel dirty, dark and depressing. With the ultra clean streets and overly smooth roads, it's lost the grungy feel it once had
Just remember. This remasters production (including post launch updates) has been developing longer that san andreas's original developing. That's beyond sad
@nickrustyson8124 oh definitely. However. Even you have to admit. The production of this remaster is extremely pathetic in terms of management. They had most of the code and assets. And man I want the original models back
@@JustChill-zd4ib not about production. Agreed with that. But complaining about the models could do something. Clearly they know the models need to be improved. But I'd just want the option to switch back to the old models
Exactly!!! Should’ve been an option to start with. It’s not fair because auto saving isn’t able to be turned off, which annoys the shit out of me! The new lighting is amazing but I’d rather complete the game and experience the story again WITHOUT having to start all over again. If they promised new gameplay with GTA V updates then everything should’ve been added
You know what’s also a dick move? Being in complete denial about the bad quality of your product. Yes, they probably couldn’t bad-mouth it due to contractual obligations, but they could’ve at least stayed silent about it.
What king ? I'm sick and tired of cringe zoomers talking shit about games they never even experienced first hand. Like bro stfu go play Gta 5 Online some heist is waiting for you
A lot of the issues are still present, however one key place they improved was the lighting, which looks stunning especially in Vice City. Seems like getting other people to work on the patches was the right decision, since GSG was scrubbed from the intros, the difference in quality is very noticeable. It still baffles me as to why they didn't ask their Leeds team or team bondi (with proven track records releasing LA noire and LCS for the mobile) to originally work on these remastered versions in the first place, and yet still choose probably the cheapest option even after their abysmal work in the past. There's still a very very long way to go to fix this mess, but I'm glad they are following it up and trying to do the right thing.
Yeah I mean they even went to the trouble to restore the white plastic wheels on cars in GTA 3, as all the cars had chromed reflective wheels, even plastic ones, I mean they could have left it but I'm glad they are making sure to get everything right, release was insane, if you were on PC for Vice City you might have noticed the transparent VCPD SWAT truck, it was like made of glass for some reason and could be seen early in the game at a station.
Yeah true that and especially for SA whereas there's always something that are still broken (mostly textures and collision errors) in each part of the map. Desert area is prolly still the roughest one, SF is second, and some around the countryside.
I'm happy that they fixed several of the main bugs the games had, specially in San Andreas. - CJ swims much faster - The crazy AI accuracy has been nerfed - The issue of songs in the radio sometimes stuttering or cutting out completely was fixed. - Fire looks better and more accurate on where it is - The cars now set on fire instantly instead of having a delay and the smoke more noticeable. They are in a much better state now. However, I still only recommend them under these conditions. 1: You don't have access to the original games and you really want to play them 2: They are on sale
They missed the San Andreas military vehicles :( they are still like bright green and red colours for whatever reason, the humvee and barracks truck should both be army tan, looks so bad lol, they spawn in San Fierro near that assault carrier navy ship.
@SunnyShuklathedoctor As someone who just finished a playthrough and went through the final section of "Beat Down on B Dup" just to see, I can confirm it definitely has been toned down, no more getting instantly lit up
Buddy of mine actually worked on DE at GSG(I even picked him up from there a few times). From what he's told , e they were originally only going to remake GTA3. The heads of GSG managed to convince Rockstar or Take Two (don't remember which) to let them do the whole trilogy for some kind of bonus if they could still make the 2021 release.
I believe it because they in turn shipped it out to New Delhi to have bot farms AI render the entire game and call it "done". I am still screaming "THEY SMOOTHED THE NUT!" all these years later.
@@MrWolfSnackBetween the o.p.'s comment and yours, we get the story of what happened to these poor games. They were totally neglected! Everyone kept handing the project off to the lowest denominator.
@@robertharper3114 Yup, because it would have been HUGELY expensive and cost a ton of money to do these games properly for how huge and impactful they are not only in the size of the game map but to the public eye and gaming culture as well. When you deal with figures that costly to do it right, it breeds the mentality of finding who can do it for as cheap as possible. Happens the same way with home renovation projects. The pressure put on the subcontractors (GSG) by the contractor (Rockstar) to make these games done in a specific time frame and dollar amount (which they could not meet and had no collateral to add additional money) led the subcontractors (GSG) to in turn shop around themselves and look for ways they could make more profit and save them money - which is how in turn the game got handed over to a server farm in India to have AI remaster the games with a bot script, which led to the HORRIBLE amount of garbage seen on launch day. They literally never checked the games. They just shipped them out as soon as the rendering upscale got to 100% complete.
@@MrWolfSnackI've looked at the plugins for TDE, and some of them were for porting assets (models, collision) from the original games to Unreal Engine. I saw this when I took the plugins and I put them in a random Unreal Engine 4 project, and also saw that Rockstar was credited for these plugins. Plugins made by GSG had their CEO in the credits.
I strongly disagree that these games are to old to be remastered. You could still keep the PS2 artstyle while adding quality of life updates like higher frame rates, a weapon wheel, better camera and aiming controls, better draw distances and fixed broken textures.
Yeah they could have forked the PCSX2 emulator with set parameters and that would have come out better alone. add to the fixes they'd add and it'd gold
The worst part about these games was that they had a GTA 4 remaster planned next and used the poor sales and backlash to justify canceling it. It’s not that nobody wanted these, I think most people were hyped when the trilogy remaster was announced it’s that they were poorly done. I would’ve loved to see a 4 remaster as its hands down the best game in the franchise when it comes to story telling and characters.
@ I’ve gone back and forth with this actually, at times I love the whole heist bank robbers theme of 5 clearly taking inspiration from movies like Heat but then I come back to 4 and it just feels so much more grounded and gritty. I find myself connecting with the world and characters more in 4. 5 can feel wayyyy over the top at times and I think that’s where it loses me. I’m also from NY so I could just be partial to the east coast setting of 4.
@@Supahdenning 4 is my favorite game in the series and I cannot stand GTA V. Didn't care for any of the characters in the story and I was already sick of the gameplay and driving before they added GTA Online
Never knew Grove Street Games was in Florida lol, I wonder if we have an Easter egg to look forward to in GTA6 like a condemned building with GSG on it.
I agree that a remake instead of a remaster would have been better considering how much of a pain in the ass it is to get the trilogy running on modern setups. Yeah emulators are a thing for the console versions, but as far as PC, the community has really kept these games alive over the 20+ years with mods and patches
A remake would have been better.. Then, add cross-platform online to the mix.. Add more stuff to the dense areas of the game.. Add more music to the game.. Replace the music you can't get the right for again.. Update the character models to GTA 5 standards.. Change the sound effects to GTA 5 sound effects.. It was so much they could have done if they didn't hire incompetent developers.. It would have been worth my $60.00 dollars..
@@evankim2406 Is it though ? They basically just changed the engine from Renderware to Unreal. Would switching the engine of 1965 a Shelby Cobra to some 2024 Tesla junk make it a 2024 car ? That's highly debatable. Had Rockstar added new weapons, swimming abilities or extra mission/gameplay features, that would have been another matter.
6:29 Yakuza: Kiwami is the perfect example. It's a remake of the first Yakuza game on the PS2 era, it fixes a lot of issues, fixes some plot holes, improves the gameplay drastically and adds a lot of modern Yakuza features. It made old fans happy, and brought new fans to the series. The map is pretty much the same (with few extra additions), then again, most Yakuza games share the same Kamurocho district layout. Some shops and areas change between games. But the layout is pretty much the same.
I hope they keep updating these games, there is still so much to improve and fix. I think they should focus on fixing character models, adjust or fix gaps (roads and grass), and camera controls. After that I think it will be truly "definitive."
These games will never be "definitive" until they reimplement the cut songs back into the soundtrack, but that would be asking for too much from them apparently.
@@TheHudsonPhoenixnot as simple as it sounds lol. Rockstar asked most of the artists/record labels that own the rights to the songs that were omitted and most of them declined and didn’t want their music in the games.
I think the models and textures would have to be entirely remade, as well as lighting actually put effort in. No matter how much ray tracing or vibrancy you throw at something, it won't make a pleasing to look at image. The originals, while immensely dated in graphical fidelity, had a consistent aesthetic. With every neon light, with every AI upscaled and changed texture, with every mischosen model material, the visuals keep the same hit or miss look to them that makes it difficult to accept as anything more than some random guy's "remaster" modpack.
@@TheHudsonPhoenix Thats literally impossible lmao. The rights holders for Michael Jackson songs are literally aholes that dont want to sell the rights to restore it. It's not rly just Rockstar's fault.. At least on PC we got mods
A man's dream: remake one of each trilogy at a time with standardization graphics, art, mechanics across all games of with quality of life and modern features + additional content, fixing some pacing issues. Hell might as well remake all the side games like the Stories series, I'd pay a whopping $100 for that in total...
It's a sad world where even something as basic as wanting a stock gta VCS pc port is a fever dream considering the chances of that happening. And the only tangible excuse is some dumb music licensing, because rockstar is too poor to pay the lump sum of money to label companies that charge immense amounts of money just to use a song.
@@coments101 i mean in how they're treated they're definitely spin-off like, even though they have everything and more compared to the games they're based on.
Renaming your studio Grove Street Games and not being able to properly render said Grove Street in the game is the actual dick move. That being said, I am glad I still own the original trilogy both physically and digitally. I thank the old me for buying the PS2 emulated version on PS4 back in 2018.
The sorting issue with rain, and water at release was one of the most obvious problems, i mean its right at the start of GTA 3, did they not playtest the first game in the collection's very first mission lol!?
Don't you miss the days when game developers weren't lazy corporate sell outs and actually built a functioning game before releasing it, not relying on patches which makes people have to go online bleeding them through their wallet
I think the biggest obstacle for a proper remake would be the motion capture. They likely don’t have the original recordings, and even if they did, those older captures aren’t as advanced as current motion capture technology. Trying to sync the already recorded voice lines with new facial movements would be quite challenging, and automated systems wouldn't yield results on par with the ones used in GTA 4 or 5. So... yeah, it would be a tough job.
@@nickrustyson8124 the funny thing is originals have less compressed sounds that defective edition (even though they are still compressed), idk how they fucked up so badly
@@nickrustyson8124yeah, and they can't really bring a dead voice actor back, like Tommy's voice actor, the remake will either just reuse the audio files or hire a new voice actor, maybe even with the technology nowadays they can use A.I but would we want that?
If you'd asked me the Definitive Edition shouldve include all ps2 era new improvements because thats what everyone used to say "man im to accustomed San Andreas to play GTA 3."
Love your content Badger! One thing to say about a remake - a thing I don't see mentioned often is that if you were to keep the original voice performances to "save time", it would add tens of thousands of hours of work to get facial performances on par with body performances since back then they were not capturing face data; all of that would have to be hand-animated using reference footage - think The Last of Us' remake which had the same hurdle. That's best-case-scenario too, I'd imagine any reference footage Rockstar might have is low quality.
They could probably get most of the cast from 3 and San Andreas back but Vice City would be very difficult considering Ray Liotta has passed away, the guy from Smokey and The Bandit that voiced Avery hated working with Rockstar and that a lot of the cast are famous actors.
5:56 Disagree. We had remasters of the old Tomb Raider games which were much more older than the GTA games and the devs there did a phenomenal job. The age of a game has never been a barrier to how well its can be remastered.
9:00 tbh I doubt it was Rockstars choice, it was probably Take2. Wouldn’t surprise me if the DE was created during Covid after delays to V’s next gen patch.
I'm actually totally fine with not having a bunch of modern features. A big part of these old games is experiencing how games played before everything went "standardized".
They were either the cheapest option or Rockstar wanted them to do the remasters because they were based on the mobile ports and they thought GSG knew what they were doing. Tbh even if these are very old games i don't think it's that easy to port full games to a whole different engine and expect everything to work like the original one. Rebuilding 3 whole games in 2 years might be a bit too much for a small mobile game studio
@@nickrustyson8124 The biggest gap was between VC and SA. VC only took 9 months to be finished because it was based on GTA 3 with a few improvements. SA was built from the ground with new engine and stuff so yeah...
There was more glitches added though in gta san andreas where all phone calls from girlfriends are nonexistent, a glitch were if CJ is silent during a date then the date can't be ended, cutscenes has missing dialogue, and caligulas is destroyed. The games still have a long way to go but im glad these games never got a remake.
They should of added beta and removed content back into the game, like having the option to have LCPD vehicles in the original NYPD based livery (only the helicopter kept it in the final game).
@@nickrustyson8124Not really. They're just being cheap and won't fork out for games that clearly deserve nothing less than the best. They just don't care.
@@robertharper3114 I bet if they had actually made perfect remasters and also included all the original music (even if they couldn't renegotiate or renew them legally and just paid the fines by adding them in without permission) that Rockstar/Take2 would've still made more profit this way as its what the people actually want lol.
Lol rockstar literally didn't port gta vcs to mobile or even pc because they didn't want to pay Phil Collins again. You seriously think they will pay to get back a few tracks in their old games when they treated vcs so badly for this reason 😂
@@Buzz956 that game specifically is more messy though as Phil Collins is an actual in game character related to the story which would cost more to renew.
Thank you Badger for this video. I have followed VadimM for a while, but since you have done some great voice over work, I have been aware of your solo work and I love it. Great video Badger
4:06 that VCPD helicopter is the wrong colour, its supposed to be green and white, i did play before the update and it definetly was not blue like that, is that a new bug?
I read somewhere that the map in GTA 3 was only about 3 miles but back then we didn't know that, we were like HOLY FUCKING SHIT THE MAP IS HUGE MOM GET ME THAT FOR CHRISTMAS.... yeah, none of us were old enough to have a job yet..... oh wait, that's the year I got my first job and it was that same month so after getting my first paycheck I went straight to Gamest- Electronics Botique, showed my ID and got the game. That along with MGS2 and some Gundam game.
One theory i have for why they went with wardrum studios is that they thought that considering that they worked on these games before the mobile ports that is, then they might be a good option, even though they did a piss poor job of porting those games before, but they may have figured that since that was years ago that they must have improved as a developer by now but of course they wouldve been dead wrong if thats what they thought
I said it once, and I'll say it again: if they can update the graphics, they can update the sound effects, as well. That's the only thing that'll convince me to buy it.
I believe the main issue is the Bad use of Specular and Ambient occlusion. There is a big missed opportunity in using those two artistically. Instead they are just there in there default unreal engine settings.
In San Andreas, the traffic poles falling to the ground, the fire truck's water (it was better before update), the mirrors in the tattoo shop, the cars getting pushed by us running towards it, the safe door in the Breaking the Bank at Caligula's mission, need fixing...and in Vice City, the rainy weather effects and haze are the only things that require a fix...
Was honestly worried about the run & gun part of the update since I played GTA3 and a total conversion mod for GTA3 called Forelli Redemption with a mod that allows for a similar mechanic but everyone can take advantage of it. I learned real quick why the player and NPCs when using long guns like the AK47 and M16 were meant to be stationary while firing them. Still, it looks like the official version is more balanced since only the player can move while using the long guns.
I did read recently that the only reason the Remakes even exist is because Rockstar didn't want to pay EA royalties for the Renderware engine anymore, hence the removal of the original on Steam too.
The biggest issue with these remasters is their cartoony art style and nothing can fix that. sure the classic lightning and other fixes improved the game a lot and i would like to play it at this stage, but it can't become the remaster we all anticipated unless they completly redo the art style
for Vice City, they could have used some of Vice City Stories' sunset patterns and atmosphere, and for 3, they would have made it as dark as it originally was but this comes close... (almost forgot about swimming for Tommy, since VC's water is hella clean, from VCS)
They really need to add a colored transition to the thin rings around the mini-maps in GTA 3 anf especially GTA Vice City. The pink, single colored ring is offsetting. The transition from blue to pink as in the weapon section looks great. The ring needs(!) to look similar. In GTA 3, I'd recommend a gold-shiny effect. The HUD is way too flat looking. San Andreas is looking completely fine and fits the cartoonish setting of GTA SA.
A few months after this collection initially came out I was at a Walmart and someone I guess had put the case in the wrong spot behind that glass, and it had 30 dollars listed under it. I had to talk to like 2 different managers to convince them to sell it to me for the price shown, but I walked out of there with a copy for that cheap. I *still* couldn't imagine paying 70 for it even after this enormous update. It's better now, obviously, but getting all 3 games for 10 bucks a piece was so nice.
Considering that the originals could be had for under $6 all three on sale before they took them down, so even $30 was too much especially with how awful they ruined the atmosphere of each and all their problems.
@@AJ-po6up I got the game amidst the controversy when everyone was selling their copies to get some money back for it for $15 on eBay. $7 of that price was shipping.
I had really hoped that you would do a video on the update :) Now the only Badger video I could ever ask for is an analysis of Watch Dogs's rendition of Chicago :D
Finally doing the vice city platinum and I gotta say this update has made it more fun to play. The classic lighting is gorgeous and the run and gun gameplay makes some of the missions easier than originally
😲das me! I'm happy about the changes done to SA (in particular I always felt it was the title that suffered the most). I really hope Rockstar allows VGD to patch these games further, there's still a lot that could be fixed or improved.
![GTA SA - Why Definitive Edition is Garbage? [Part 1] - Feat. BadgerGoodger](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZSvoC6lZl5s/mqdefault.jpg)
"Something about it still feels off" (GTA 3) It's because 2001 Liberty City is supposed to feel dirty, dark and depressing. With the ultra clean streets and overly smooth roads, it's lost the grungy feel it once had
I'm really hoping they patch it. Or someone could at least mod it
@@festival3051just play the original version and mod it at that point lmao.
@@mr.soystein7849they don't sell the originals.anymore. unless they added them back to the stores
@@nobodyfamousX there is a way to get them without paying. R* doesn't deserve our money after all the mess they've done.
@@mr.soystein7849ah i see you like seeing fit girls huh😂
Just remember. This remasters production (including post launch updates) has been developing longer that san andreas's original developing. That's beyond sad
Not really, SA development was CRUNCH HELL I honestly feel more sad for the developers of SA do to the hell it must've been making SA
@nickrustyson8124 oh definitely. However. Even you have to admit. The production of this remaster is extremely pathetic in terms of management. They had most of the code and assets. And man I want the original models back
@@teneesh3376 Agreeing on that does not change facts. Complaining about it does not change them either.
@@JustChill-zd4ib not about production. Agreed with that. But complaining about the models could do something. Clearly they know the models need to be improved. But I'd just want the option to switch back to the old models
San Andreas was made in only 2 years
Many years later, mission replay is still not added, for those who want to replay missions in different ways while still keeping progress
That would be a nice addition and also for those who want achieve the missable trophies
Exactly!!! Should’ve been an option to start with. It’s not fair because auto saving isn’t able to be turned off, which annoys the shit out of me! The new lighting is amazing but I’d rather complete the game and experience the story again WITHOUT having to start all over again. If they promised new gameplay with GTA V updates then everything should’ve been added
Igree that they should add this but i think they should focus first on things like character models and so on
@@commanderblack5045 they should've focused on that 3 years ago 😔😔😔😔😔😔
they need to change the Ragdoll 💯💯
You know what’s also a dick move?
Being in complete denial about the bad quality of your product. Yes, they probably couldn’t bad-mouth it due to contractual obligations, but they could’ve at least stayed silent about it.
What do you mean?
@@samzonyGrove Street games made a bad product and didn't hold themselves accountable for making it
@@Leon_SKennnedy Oh yeah it obviously makes sense! Groove Street Games is like a group of Immature boys in my mind.
Seriously, he was blind to any criticism on release, his team couldnt do basic fixes for years and now he’s the victim?
Remember when the CEO of Volition was shitting on everyone saying the remake is bad? Fascinating hubris that malignant narcissists go through.
The king himself uploaded a new GTA video.
Definitely the king 👑
I Love badger man.
What king ?
I'm sick and tired of cringe zoomers talking shit about games they never even experienced first hand. Like bro stfu go play Gta 5 Online some heist is waiting for you
love badger but he’s no KSI🤓
@@logankyse5880 badger vs KSI
A lot of the issues are still present, however one key place they improved was the lighting, which looks stunning especially in Vice City. Seems like getting other people to work on the patches was the right decision, since GSG was scrubbed from the intros, the difference in quality is very noticeable. It still baffles me as to why they didn't ask their Leeds team or team bondi (with proven track records releasing LA noire and LCS for the mobile) to originally work on these remastered versions in the first place, and yet still choose probably the cheapest option even after their abysmal work in the past.
There's still a very very long way to go to fix this mess, but I'm glad they are following it up and trying to do the right thing.
Yeah I mean they even went to the trouble to restore the white plastic wheels on cars in GTA 3, as all the cars had chromed reflective wheels, even plastic ones, I mean they could have left it but I'm glad they are making sure to get everything right, release was insane, if you were on PC for Vice City you might have noticed the transparent VCPD SWAT truck, it was like made of glass for some reason and could be seen early in the game at a station.
Yeah true that and especially for SA whereas there's always something that are still broken (mostly textures and collision errors) in each part of the map. Desert area is prolly still the roughest one, SF is second, and some around the countryside.
Because Take2 made the decision that they would be made and outsourced it
@@Spendingryan Also they gave the VC Banshee a 5 spoke rim, didn't do anything for the Infernus or the Deluxo yet
team bondi did such a terrible job making la noire, that rockstar had to step in completely and finish the game
I can't wait for the gta 5 remastered enhanced definitive turbo edition
Meh, we got NVE already. :P
GTA 5 would’ve been better with the GTA 4 engine
@@KingDevoneo-GamingChannel it always had the gta 4 engine genius
Personally I go for the Turbo Deluxe extreme 2.0 edition
Ultra over mega edition
I'm happy that they fixed several of the main bugs the games had, specially in San Andreas.
- CJ swims much faster
- The crazy AI accuracy has been nerfed
- The issue of songs in the radio sometimes stuttering or cutting out completely was fixed.
- Fire looks better and more accurate on where it is
- The cars now set on fire instantly instead of having a delay and the smoke more noticeable.
They are in a much better state now.
However, I still only recommend them under these conditions.
1: You don't have access to the original games and you really want to play them
2: They are on sale
I do one better don't play these games
They missed the San Andreas military vehicles :( they are still like bright green and red colours for whatever reason, the humvee and barracks truck should both be army tan, looks so bad lol, they spawn in San Fierro near that assault carrier navy ship.
I feel the AI accuracy is still there lol. This game feels a lot more unfair than the og to me.
@SunnyShuklathedoctor As someone who just finished a playthrough and went through the final section of "Beat Down on B Dup" just to see, I can confirm it definitely has been toned down, no more getting instantly lit up
There's honestly no reason to get DE, just get the originals and maybe add some minor mods to improve performance. Nothing else needed.
These are still and will always be Defective Editions to me.
The originals with mods are just superior.
Dumbass Editions
L cope
@@AJ-po6upno they aren’t if they need mods to be fun they aren’t
@@sgtroach1510 Zoomers with zero attention span use mods because they cant focus and enjoy the game and the story.
Buddy of mine actually worked on DE at GSG(I even picked him up from there a few times). From what he's told , e they were originally only going to remake GTA3. The heads of GSG managed to convince Rockstar or Take Two (don't remember which) to let them do the whole trilogy for some kind of bonus if they could still make the 2021 release.
I believe it because they in turn shipped it out to New Delhi to have bot farms AI render the entire game and call it "done". I am still screaming "THEY SMOOTHED THE NUT!" all these years later.
@@MrWolfSnackBetween the o.p.'s comment and yours, we get the story of what happened to these poor games. They were totally neglected! Everyone kept handing the project off to the lowest denominator.
@@robertharper3114 Yup, because it would have been HUGELY expensive and cost a ton of money to do these games properly for how huge and impactful they are not only in the size of the game map but to the public eye and gaming culture as well. When you deal with figures that costly to do it right, it breeds the mentality of finding who can do it for as cheap as possible. Happens the same way with home renovation projects. The pressure put on the subcontractors (GSG) by the contractor (Rockstar) to make these games done in a specific time frame and dollar amount (which they could not meet and had no collateral to add additional money) led the subcontractors (GSG) to in turn shop around themselves and look for ways they could make more profit and save them money - which is how in turn the game got handed over to a server farm in India to have AI remaster the games with a bot script, which led to the HORRIBLE amount of garbage seen on launch day. They literally never checked the games. They just shipped them out as soon as the rendering upscale got to 100% complete.
Your buddy is a chud tbh
@@MrWolfSnackI've looked at the plugins for TDE, and some of them were for porting assets (models, collision) from the original games to Unreal Engine. I saw this when I took the plugins and I put them in a random Unreal Engine 4 project, and also saw that Rockstar was credited for these plugins. Plugins made by GSG had their CEO in the credits.
I strongly disagree that these games are to old to be remastered. You could still keep the PS2 artstyle while adding quality of life updates like higher frame rates, a weapon wheel, better camera and aiming controls, better draw distances and fixed broken textures.
Yeah they could have forked the PCSX2 emulator with set parameters and that would have come out better alone. add to the fixes they'd add and it'd gold
The worst part about these games was that they had a GTA 4 remaster planned next and used the poor sales and backlash to justify canceling it. It’s not that nobody wanted these, I think most people were hyped when the trilogy remaster was announced it’s that they were poorly done. I would’ve loved to see a 4 remaster as its hands down the best game in the franchise when it comes to story telling and characters.
I personally prefer gta 5 story and characters. 4 is a bit too gloomy.
@ I’ve gone back and forth with this actually, at times I love the whole heist bank robbers theme of 5 clearly taking inspiration from movies like Heat but then I come back to 4 and it just feels so much more grounded and gritty. I find myself connecting with the world and characters more in 4. 5 can feel wayyyy over the top at times and I think that’s where it loses me. I’m also from NY so I could just be partial to the east coast setting of 4.
4 is my favourite but I love 5 too. They're not that different that you'd be a big fan of one and not the other.
I thought the remaster was cancelled because of the focus on GTA online
@@Supahdenning 4 is my favorite game in the series and I cannot stand GTA V. Didn't care for any of the characters in the story and I was already sick of the gameplay and driving before they added GTA Online
Never knew Grove Street Games was in Florida lol, I wonder if we have an Easter egg to look forward to in GTA6 like a condemned building with GSG on it.
Lmaoo that would be the best thing ever I actually hope ur correct on this
Why would they do that?
Rockstar shouldve known better to make some indie company remaster 3 games that are 20 years old
I don’t think Rockstar want to even acknowledge them let alone an easter egg
I agree that a remake instead of a remaster would have been better considering how much of a pain in the ass it is to get the trilogy running on modern setups. Yeah emulators are a thing for the console versions, but as far as PC, the community has really kept these games alive over the 20+ years with mods and patches
A remake would have been better.. Then, add cross-platform online to the mix.. Add more stuff to the dense areas of the game.. Add more music to the game.. Replace the music you can't get the right for again.. Update the character models to GTA 5 standards.. Change the sound effects to GTA 5 sound effects..
It was so much they could have done if they didn't hire incompetent developers.. It would have been worth my $60.00 dollars..
"Tommy still looks like a cross between Robbie Rotten and Silvio Dante" lmaoooo
Robbie Rotten from Lazytown. I never thought about it.
Robbie Rotten is just pure gigachad material.
Badger got the script!
NOT REALLY
dude is running a channel on a game that's 11 years old. THeres no script
@@alainportant6412 Well technically, this game is only 3 years old.
@@alainportant6412gta 3 is 23 years old
@@evankim2406 Is it though ? They basically just changed the engine from Renderware to Unreal.
Would switching the engine of 1965 a Shelby Cobra to some 2024 Tesla junk make it a 2024 car ? That's highly debatable.
Had Rockstar added new weapons, swimming abilities or extra mission/gameplay features, that would have been another matter.
Being able to moving around with the weapons in vice city and 3 made me very happy as a long time GTA veteran since 2006 or 07
6:29
Yakuza: Kiwami is the perfect example. It's a remake of the first Yakuza game on the PS2 era, it fixes a lot of issues, fixes some plot holes, improves the gameplay drastically and adds a lot of modern Yakuza features. It made old fans happy, and brought new fans to the series.
The map is pretty much the same (with few extra additions), then again, most Yakuza games share the same Kamurocho district layout. Some shops and areas change between games. But the layout is pretty much the same.
1:47 OOOOOOH MY PC!!
HMMM... NICE PC!
Graphics so good, a PS4 can't even run it
I legit thought the youtube player was stuttering in my browser.
@@BadgerGoodger ps5*
I hope they keep updating these games, there is still so much to improve and fix. I think they should focus on fixing character models, adjust or fix gaps (roads and grass), and camera controls. After that I think it will be truly "definitive."
These games will never be "definitive" until they reimplement the cut songs back into the soundtrack, but that would be asking for too much from them apparently.
@@TheHudsonPhoenixnot as simple as it sounds lol. Rockstar asked most of the artists/record labels that own the rights to the songs that were omitted and most of them declined and didn’t want their music in the games.
@Stana999 That's certainly possible. What source did you hear that from?
I think the models and textures would have to be entirely remade, as well as lighting actually put effort in. No matter how much ray tracing or vibrancy you throw at something, it won't make a pleasing to look at image.
The originals, while immensely dated in graphical fidelity, had a consistent aesthetic.
With every neon light, with every AI upscaled and changed texture, with every mischosen model material, the visuals keep the same hit or miss look to them that makes it difficult to accept as anything more than some random guy's "remaster" modpack.
@@TheHudsonPhoenix Thats literally impossible lmao. The rights holders for Michael Jackson songs are literally aholes that dont want to sell the rights to restore it. It's not rly just Rockstar's fault.. At least on PC we got mods
This game is cursed from the beginning by starting with the mobile version of the game
THIS!
I really hope they continue the updates, the VC movement while shooting is such a good addition!
4:28-4:30 lmaoooo that was so perfect and the video getting cut makes it so much better
8:17 Their studio is named after their office in Gainesville, FL.
Yeah but they only changed it because of their alliance with rockstar
GROVE STREET GAMES
@@DrSpaceman42 In Gainesville, Florida.
A man's dream: remake one of each trilogy at a time with standardization graphics, art, mechanics across all games of with quality of life and modern features + additional content, fixing some pacing issues. Hell might as well remake all the side games like the Stories series, I'd pay a whopping $100 for that in total...
It's a sad world where even something as basic as wanting a stock gta VCS pc port is a fever dream considering the chances of that happening.
And the only tangible excuse is some dumb music licensing, because rockstar is too poor to pay the lump sum of money to label companies that charge immense amounts of money just to use a song.
Idk if you could even call the Stories games "side games", imo they're better versions of 3 and Vice City.
@@coments101 i mean in how they're treated they're definitely spin-off like, even though they have everything and more compared to the games they're based on.
Renaming your studio Grove Street Games and not being able to properly render said Grove Street in the game is the actual dick move.
That being said, I am glad I still own the original trilogy both physically and digitally. I thank the old me for buying the PS2 emulated version on PS4 back in 2018.
The sorting issue with rain, and water at release was one of the most obvious problems, i mean its right at the start of GTA 3, did they not playtest the first game in the collection's very first mission lol!?
I'd be surprised if they update this game again, they pretty much ported and improved features from netflix version
I've been waiting for this exact guy to make this exact video. Finally!
Wish he didn’t take months to make videos but each video is always pretty good
Don't you miss the days when game developers weren't lazy corporate sell outs and actually built a functioning game before releasing it, not relying on patches which makes people have to go online bleeding them through their wallet
3:19 why Truth is black?
LOL
Prob black face
Ya mean tanned.
Looks like his Green Goo did some experiment on him
I think the biggest obstacle for a proper remake would be the motion capture. They likely don’t have the original recordings, and even if they did, those older captures aren’t as advanced as current motion capture technology. Trying to sync the already recorded voice lines with new facial movements would be quite challenging, and automated systems wouldn't yield results on par with the ones used in GTA 4 or 5. So... yeah, it would be a tough job.
Also speaking of voice lines they still stink of early 2000s compressed mp3s, like I was playing SA earlier and god the guns sound awful in this game
@@nickrustyson8124 the funny thing is originals have less compressed sounds that defective edition (even though they are still compressed), idk how they fucked up so badly
@@nickrustyson8124yeah, and they can't really bring a dead voice actor back, like Tommy's voice actor, the remake will either just reuse the audio files or hire a new voice actor, maybe even with the technology nowadays they can use A.I but would we want that?
0:17 wait, *it’s not 2021 anymore* ?? where did the time go 😨
Ya man 2021 was the last great year for me
@@user-db6kq7bl5clmao damn yo
If you'd asked me the Definitive Edition shouldve include all ps2 era new improvements because thats what everyone used to say "man im to accustomed San Andreas to play GTA 3."
it's kinda how GTA LCS and GTA VCS pretty much were. They didn't have everything from San Andreas but they had a lot of it
Love your content Badger! One thing to say about a remake - a thing I don't see mentioned often is that if you were to keep the original voice performances to "save time", it would add tens of thousands of hours of work to get facial performances on par with body performances since back then they were not capturing face data; all of that would have to be hand-animated using reference footage - think The Last of Us' remake which had the same hurdle. That's best-case-scenario too, I'd imagine any reference footage Rockstar might have is low quality.
They could probably get most of the cast from 3 and San Andreas back but Vice City would be very difficult considering Ray Liotta has passed away, the guy from Smokey and The Bandit that voiced Avery hated working with Rockstar and that a lot of the cast are famous actors.
Looking forward to your next video with Vadim M
I still hate the fact that the GTA Trilogy Remaster looks more like a cartoon and not a realistic game like before
Well, still waiting the final version of these games, cool video Badger
Still a turd except it doesn't smell that bad now.
I am not sorry.
You are not sorry, you are correct.
They're still based on the mobile port, so unless they somehow change that, it'll always unplayable garbage for me (on PC at least)
@@Svenir Expected way more comments with this explanation under video. Thanks you.
@@SvenirMobile port is from pc port.
PC port is objectively awful.
So much removed stuffs from ps2 version.
@@Svenirpc ports of older games are garbage anyways and remove so much content just emulate for the real experience
5:56 Disagree. We had remasters of the old Tomb Raider games which were much more older than the GTA games and the devs there did a phenomenal job. The age of a game has never been a barrier to how well its can be remastered.
Apparently, 303 fixes overall but nowhere near complete.
9:00 tbh I doubt it was Rockstars choice, it was probably Take2. Wouldn’t surprise me if the DE was created during Covid after delays to V’s next gen patch.
Game still got this bizarre plastic look to it. It just looks cheap af
These remasters might still get updated, but I highly doubt they will ever get on the same level as the originals as far as details and nuances go.
To this day when I watch a video and someone talks about the classic GTA games and they use footage from the shitty versions I get annoyed.
Same lol
same
Commentary channels most likely
I find it funny how the leaked HL2 Beta from 2003 feels like a more complete product than most games that come out nowadays
Huge step to get a real Definitive version of these games, have a nice day Badger
I’m glad it’s fixed. Decided to buy it while it was on sale on the PlayStation store
I'm actually totally fine with not having a bunch of modern features. A big part of these old games is experiencing how games played before everything went "standardized".
Then go play the originals
@@BigSmoke-ew5td I did.
@@danin900 Then go play them again
Badinfos did really great videos on comparing original DEF. edition issues and fixes. Comparing bugs and which ones got fixed that he found
I've been waiting for you to talk about this. Thanks for your opinion!
Badger is one of the best gta TH-camr. And nice and calm voice btw
They were either the cheapest option or Rockstar wanted them to do the remasters because they were based on the mobile ports and they thought GSG knew what they were doing. Tbh even if these are very old games i don't think it's that easy to port full games to a whole different engine and expect everything to work like the original one. Rebuilding 3 whole games in 2 years might be a bit too much for a small mobile game studio
Hell the fact Rockstar made these games within the span of 4 years back then is crazy
@@nickrustyson81245 years but yeah. I miss the days when games used to come out regularly.. waiting a decade plus for a new release is ridiculous!
@@nickrustyson8124 The biggest gap was between VC and SA. VC only took 9 months to be finished because it was based on GTA 3 with a few improvements. SA was built from the ground with new engine and stuff so yeah...
Always great when you upload badger
oh my gosh i’ve been waiting to see if you’d upload this
thank you for uploading this
There was more glitches added though in gta san andreas where all phone calls from girlfriends are nonexistent, a glitch were if CJ is silent during a date then the date can't be ended, cutscenes has missing dialogue, and caligulas is destroyed. The games still have a long way to go but im glad these games never got a remake.
I've been waiting for this video since the update dropped!
They should of added beta and removed content back into the game, like having the option to have LCPD vehicles in the original NYPD based livery (only the helicopter kept it in the final game).
Feeling very blessed that I was able to get the OG Trilogy for my PS5
Character models still need work and it will never be the "definitive" collection until the full soundtrack is restored.
Which is never going to happen, music licensing if whole another can of worms to get into
@@nickrustyson8124Not really. They're just being cheap and won't fork out for games that clearly deserve nothing less than the best. They just don't care.
@@robertharper3114 I bet if they had actually made perfect remasters and also included all the original music (even if they couldn't renegotiate or renew them legally and just paid the fines by adding them in without permission) that Rockstar/Take2 would've still made more profit this way as its what the people actually want lol.
Lol rockstar literally didn't port gta vcs to mobile or even pc because they didn't want to pay Phil Collins again. You seriously think they will pay to get back a few tracks in their old games when they treated vcs so badly for this reason 😂
@@Buzz956 that game specifically is more messy though as Phil Collins is an actual in game character related to the story which would cost more to renew.
I was waiting for this video to come out to actually try this game again 😁
SA stilll has the bug where street lamps fall through the floor but VC and 3 have fixed it.
Thank you Badger for this video. I have followed VadimM for a while, but since you have done some great voice over work, I have been aware of your solo work and I love it. Great video Badger
4:06 that VCPD helicopter is the wrong colour, its supposed to be green and white, i did play before the update and it definetly was not blue like that, is that a new bug?
Not gonna lie I didn't know you had a funny side, you had me laughing real good at a few jokes and digs you took at the game. 😂
I read somewhere that the map in GTA 3 was only about 3 miles but back then we didn't know that, we were like HOLY FUCKING SHIT THE MAP IS HUGE MOM GET ME THAT FOR CHRISTMAS.... yeah, none of us were old enough to have a job yet..... oh wait, that's the year I got my first job and it was that same month so after getting my first paycheck I went straight to Gamest- Electronics Botique, showed my ID and got the game. That along with MGS2 and some Gundam game.
I WAS PRACTICALLY WAITING FOR YOU TO TALK ABOUT THIS •_•
One theory i have for why they went with wardrum studios is that they thought that considering that they worked on these games before the mobile ports that is, then they might be a good option, even though they did a piss poor job of porting those games before, but they may have figured that since that was years ago that they must have improved as a developer by now but of course they wouldve been dead wrong if thats what they thought
Perfect time to pick this up for Black Friday/ Cyber Monday
I said it once, and I'll say it again: if they can update the graphics, they can update the sound effects, as well.
That's the only thing that'll convince me to buy it.
I'm still so glad I never deleted the PS2 ports from my hard drive. Can't even get them on the store anymore even if you owned them before.
What the hell! Really?!!
I believe the main issue is the Bad use of Specular and Ambient occlusion.
There is a big missed opportunity in using those two artistically. Instead they are just there in there default unreal engine settings.
4:29 LMAO 🤣
I laughed my ass off at that part the way he got ran over 😂
Watch out
Doesn't matter now. We won't forgive, we wont forget.
Bought it for less than half price the other day. Completed GTA 3 and had no problems so far.
Haven’t tried Vice City or San Andreas yet.
In San Andreas, the traffic poles falling to the ground, the fire truck's water (it was better before update), the mirrors in the tattoo shop, the cars getting pushed by us running towards it, the safe door in the Breaking the Bank at Caligula's mission, need fixing...and in Vice City, the rainy weather effects and haze are the only things that require a fix...
Was honestly worried about the run & gun part of the update since I played GTA3 and a total conversion mod for GTA3 called Forelli Redemption with a mod that allows for a similar mechanic but everyone can take advantage of it. I learned real quick why the player and NPCs when using long guns like the AK47 and M16 were meant to be stationary while firing them.
Still, it looks like the official version is more balanced since only the player can move while using the long guns.
I did read recently that the only reason the Remakes even exist is because Rockstar didn't want to pay EA royalties for the Renderware engine anymore, hence the removal of the original on Steam too.
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Only thing missing is the ability to be able to play the game in a top down 2D view like in GTA 2
5:10 this was always the case, even in the original games. Vehicles with submissions would remind you of them when you get on.
2:20 still didnt fix the cheetah carmirror glitch
This has gotta be what’s kept San Andreas VR held up.
You have a really nice speaking voice.
The biggest issue with these remasters is their cartoony art style and nothing can fix that. sure the classic lightning and other fixes improved the game a lot and i would like to play it at this stage, but it can't become the remaster we all anticipated unless they completly redo the art style
This update got me to finally pick these up earlier today. I was going to wait a bit longer but they're 60% off on PSN at the moment.
for Vice City, they could have used some of Vice City Stories' sunset patterns and atmosphere, and for 3, they would have made it as dark as it originally was but this comes close...
(almost forgot about swimming for Tommy, since VC's water is hella clean, from VCS)
They really need to add a colored transition to the thin rings around the mini-maps in GTA 3 anf especially GTA Vice City.
The pink, single colored ring is offsetting. The transition from blue to pink as in the weapon section looks great. The ring needs(!) to look similar.
In GTA 3, I'd recommend a gold-shiny effect. The HUD is way too flat looking.
San Andreas is looking completely fine and fits the cartoonish setting of GTA SA.
Badger’s voice reminds of Kazuhira Miller from Metal Gear Solid. I kept waiting on him to say, “They played us like a DAMN FIDDLLLLLLEEEE!”
I hope they remaster LCS and VCS
I wasn't going to buy them until I saw what you had to say
Thanks for the reminder that I need to see if the Switch version fixed Caesar's hot dog fingers were fixed
I think rockstar could learn alot from the master cheif collection and how they handled the halo anniversary re releases
A few months after this collection initially came out I was at a Walmart and someone I guess had put the case in the wrong spot behind that glass, and it had 30 dollars listed under it. I had to talk to like 2 different managers to convince them to sell it to me for the price shown, but I walked out of there with a copy for that cheap. I *still* couldn't imagine paying 70 for it even after this enormous update. It's better now, obviously, but getting all 3 games for 10 bucks a piece was so nice.
Considering that the originals could be had for under $6 all three on sale before they took them down, so even $30 was too much especially with how awful they ruined the atmosphere of each and all their problems.
@@AJ-po6up I got the game amidst the controversy when everyone was selling their copies to get some money back for it for $15 on eBay. $7 of that price was shipping.
I had really hoped that you would do a video on the update :) Now the only Badger video I could ever ask for is an analysis of Watch Dogs's rendition of Chicago :D
Finally doing the vice city platinum and I gotta say this update has made it more fun to play. The classic lighting is gorgeous and the run and gun gameplay makes some of the missions easier than originally
Im glad the stylists at petco were knowledgeable not only in trimming badger hair but in gta as well.
I'm currently compiling a list of bugs that were left over after the patch.
Great video as always!.
8:22
The yellows across in Classic Lighting can look a bit too nuclear fallout to me.
Looks like GTA: Chernobyl.
😲das me!
I'm happy about the changes done to SA (in particular I always felt it was the title that suffered the most).
I really hope Rockstar allows VGD to patch these games further, there's still a lot that could be fixed or improved.