well it's also fair to say that 80% of that apm is not required and just spam..I mean it's not entirely useless to keep your fingers moving but it's not really doing anything in terms of gameplay
@@louforcier2549 Haha. There is a player who's playing BOT by himself. He used his feet to play YUUMI. Unfortunately he can only use Yuumi in his own Champ which is ADC.
I remember trying multiplayer in starcraft 2 for the first time. My opponent noticed that I was making rookie mistakes, he taught me what to do and why. We thanked each other, I gave up the match and we parted ways. As if I could picture us bowing to each other in honor. 10/10 remarkable experience
I remember trying multiplayer in League of Legends for the first time. My allies noticed that i was making rookie mistakes, they cursed the next three generations of my family. We offended each other, they gave up the match and reported me. As if i could picture they spitting on my face out of hatred. 10/10 remarkable experience.
@@transonicfob2293 Yeah, man, I can remember the basic ones, as in V for SCV, C for command center, B for barracks, R for gas, and just a few more. Edit: oop, you deleted your comment, I'm sorry, I think I came across as rude, sorry if that was the case.
one has the apm of someone casually typing a love letter to a girlfriend, another has the apm of someone who is scrambling to get their thesis done an hour before the deadline
Harassing the enemy base, while creating an expansion, while upgrading your units, while creating more units, while exploring the enemy tech, while countering the enemy tech, while facing enemy army, etc. Definitely doens´t require more skill than last hitting 10 minions per minute.
Knowing 5 (passive+4 spells)*145 champions abilities (without counting champions with more than 4 abilities), knowing runes and do them in 30 seconds changing them every game, tracking enemy jungler, last hitting minions, manage mana and health resources, win skirmishes and little trades, remember 4 abilities + 2 summoners spells enemies cooldowns (6*5= 30), set vision, allow your jungler to gank your lane by moving smartly without making enemy think you are getting ganked, fake recalls to freeze the wave, hardpush or slowpush in base of your planning to back to buy the perfect item in that specifically match up with a precalculated amount of gold earned before. Now the first 10 minutes of games are passed. Prepare for objectives, teamfights and rotations. Still 100 times easier than command some weird creatures trough a galactic war.
@@jacopodam184 I see someone pissed here hahaha Why don't enjoy the video before comparing what game is easier? This comparatives are awful and you don't get anything replying a comment of 5 years ago
I remember watching a documentary about a Korean StarCraft team as one of their member is retiring because he got old at 25 because his speed lost around 0.5 sec or something like that, it was insane.
@@kowiiino I can teach you that. First: You might need to google a bit. Whats APM stands for? It is count as a score. Second: Thinking your strategy. Pick a race and think your strategy whats after Barracks, Cybernetic core and Hive level 2 I suggest you watch some pro player play copy they strategy and make up your own. Third: relax... When the game start. Focus on making Worker then build first building. Then Send one probe scout the enemy base. fourth: When you feel you wanna use your strategy. Don’t use it yet. Build a defend and more some Command center or nexus or Hive for good income. Final: Now activate your strategy skills no matter how slow or fast but you can get used to it. *Send a scout* Detector is very important if you saw: Terran Air-field[Mean terran air producer] Roach dungeon , Dark templar shrine , Nuclear tower and some borrowed unit. Use Math: time and Economics Makes you smarter and instant clicking. Sorry for my bad essay
@симпл димпл IDK if League can really be counted as a DotA Rip Off when Steve Feak/Guinsoo(one of the dev of LoL) was one of the devs that works on the original DotA, its more of a Spiritual Successor instead of a rip off honestly.
@@itsarin2166 Steve Feak was dev of dota allstars, not original dota. Original dota came out in 2003, then Guinsoo stole map and named it dota allstars 2004, he also stole all heroes and designs
Hahaha ok I like this. This may be why after so many years I still love watching a pro SC match. There is just so much mental energy put into a single minute of high end SC play its rediculous. And anyone who has ever invested some time in the game can see that.
Remember broodwar :)) even the way they start the game by group all drone click harvest then select each drone to harvest a different mineral in the mean time it move to mineral line is already give me speechless
@@DenDi823 well, all i have seen that what you said, but there were also positive things, like jokes, and they made me crack my ass open of laughing. There is still a healthy community in SC2.
It's a shitshow, it's really bad. People should try to make their points on what they think about these games without putting down one or the other, both are amazing games, both require different skills. Everyone needs to understand that it's not as easy as it seems, comparing these two, and that it's not something you should do in the first place
If any of y'all wondering why the sc2 player has such 'high' apm, every single millisecond/ second is crucial in the early game and it's a way to warm yourself up if the game goes into mid to late game where high apm is required for greater multitasking efficiency.
@@lmntsgames3848 i very much doubt microing a single character requires the same apm as microing multiple groups of units while also producing more units the whole time.
It’s actually because small advantages add up over the course of a match. Small advantages, even being a little faster than your opponent, makes the difference when your opponent is equally as capable as you are.
It's interesting because I played Starcraft for years before I ever touched League. So in my head, any top-down game should be played with the highest APM possible, and that's how I played League.
You get used to it if you watch a live game. I personally hang around low in SC2, but I enjoy watching casters, easier to digest actions and the like. Maybe 3 people all working perfectly together can equal a SC pro
If you don't have any playing experience in it you're just watching jarring screen changes. I play some (gold), but watching very high level players' POV's is still disorienting lol.
Gotta watch a Serral replay with 60 screens per minute on average (aka looks at one thing for 1sec at a time on average :o), that's when it gets really intense... injecting 4 hatcheries in different places in like 0.25 seconds? no problem xD
I love playing starcraft, but going into hyperactive mode while playing just causes me headaches after like 5 or so games and I can't play more than that a day.
It depends a lot, in sc if you're going in a low rank match it's really chill, on league if you are going with friends who know the meaning of respect and "play for fun" then it's also really chill I would say
TH-cam recommendations once again I don't play these games anymore but seeing recent comments being the exact same as the older ones makes me think about how annoying I was back then, being proud of having arthritis at a young age and all.
I once played a chess party where contols were this: You press three keys consecutively, one being the figure you move (k for king, q for queen, etc.), the other two - a coordinate where you're sending the figure. Not to mention that all the twin figures (rooks, horses and bishops) must also have their starting coordinate stated. Now what's the twist, you'll ask me? Two players both have 10 seconds for a game.
@@БакасовМарат all these keystrokes would leave a ton of room for error on the computer's part. Why even type the letter if you're also gonna type the starting coordinate? That's just a waste of time and inputs.
Well League of legends is hard in a different sense than Starcraft, LOL is not hard because of the gameplay, but it is hard because you have to team up with other people.
As a League player for almost 9 years now and a former protoss diamond player I can say that SC takes much more mechanical skill and apm to be good at. Being good in LoL is more about decision making and punishing enemy mistakes than flashy plays
Sc2 is all about decision making and punishing, it is a real time strategy game. Sc2 is harder than LOL that's for sure. But LOL requires more knowledge, lots of champs items etc.
Imagine all the great games died,diablo.....Warcraft 3.....StarCraft......Dota.....and all we have left now is fortnite....league of legends.....overwatch.....Minecraft........games aimed at kiddies and casuals..... Oi vey....makes u wish u could go back in time.... Back when video games were made for hardcore gamers and nerds and losers and geeks by other gamers and nerds and losers and geeks......instead of this mainstream garbage like what they turn star wars into.....
@@jont2576 in what planet is league aimed at casuals? it's literally balanced around the top 0.5% lmao. been a while since i've played overwatch but i'm fairly sure it's the same
@@jont2576 so your just an idiot? We’ve got battlefield, street fighter, tekken, titanfall, cod, apex, warzone, and rainbow six to name a few, all with moderately large fanbases. What games have you been playing? Also, league and overwatch are high complexity high skill pro league focused games, certainly not for kiddies and casuals. Even if they were, that doesn’t make a game bad, its just for a different person. And what is so wrong about video games not being for incels and losers anymore? We broke that stereotype, that should be a good thing. Do you just not have friends and feel the need to make fun of the popular games now? Because Starcraft 2 was big for its time, which made it mainstream, but you still feel the need to regard it as if it just had a cult following. And for the record, StarCraft 2, as an example, has way, way, wayyyyy more players daily then you give it credit for currently, around 500k per day, far from a game with an actual cult following, titanfall 2, which peaked at 16,732 players this month according to steamcharts, and only has 22,992 players online currently as I’m typing this. Really strange how the games you mention aren’t dead at all.
@@jacobbau8328 whoopee doo.....so ur remaking and remastering and sequeling all the games that we had and didnt bother to mention.....guess when did they come out....in the 2000s and early 2010ish..... between even those are garbage.....titanfall?battlefield?cod?cod was great maybe the first 2 or 3 titles.... 2000s we had stuff like command n conquer,need for speed,left 4 dead,age of empires,empire earth, half life, portal,back when gaben and steam actually cared about making games.....remember when counter strike and dota and wow pre TBC was massive,bioshock, diablo, max payne, dead space.....even the earlier assasin creeds and GTA.... remember when MMORPGS were all the rage?now all people play is fps or moba or fps moba....or watch people build shyt on minecraft..... league of legends high complexity??its like they took dota and dumbed it down and simplified it 10 times so the people with 8 year old motor skills and plays minecraft dont cry if they keep losing or get stomped by a playerbase thats too competitive for them.... no longer for losers or incels who cares?i rather u not destroy a activity or artform or industry and turn it into a joke.....taking all the great genres and destroying them and replacing them with garbage like fall guys or amongst us.......its like u took dune or star trek took all the complexity creativity depth intellectual and turned it into some mainstream mindless explosion action garbage.......oh wait they did..... leave it to the incels or losers and people who obssess with whatever activity and make it their lives,they are the ones who comes up with the best stuff eventually....not the mainstream market and mass consumers......doesnt matter its comics or video games or books or sci fi or even music or anime......take anime for christ sake jesus.....take anime for example......now its full of politics and bullshyt and full of idiots who cant stop referencing anime every minute or talking like anime......u know why anime is great and what makes anime great,its the creation and refuge of incels and losers and otakus for decades,it was the culmination of the deepest darkest depraved fantasies and the sickest and most disturbing nightmares,it was the pure imagination of nerds,thats why they took the most creative liberties and challenged the norms of ideas and societies, both intellectually and sexually.....of course to most sane ordinary normal people it would be hard to swallow.... imagine reading a book like lolita u think most people would accept that?yet its literary genius and a work of art...... anything that becomes too mainstream eventually turns to shyt.....case in point RAP.iv never been a fan of rap in my life......but u look at the state of rap now makes me wanna laugh,rap is the most popular genre now but todays rap is horrendous garbage.....compared to 80s and 90s rap......today u have rappers like lil wayne,gucci gang,nicky minaj or the millions of other "lil" whatever......and their songs all sounds the same.....absolute garbage..... u took a pure artform by the greats and turned it into mainstream garbage to sell to hundreds of millions of kiddies and young adults.....
@@jont2576 Remastered games can be good, great even. Take titanfall 2, bf 4. And its not just remastered games that can be good. Valorant is fun, and requires healthy amounts of skill to climb in. And yes, while some of these games are old, they hold up really well in todays market, unlike Diablo, or team fortress classic. Secondly, you cut down a huge portion of the series’ that I mentioned. Street fighter V is great, and apex and rainbow six are perhaps better. And somehow, you mention titanfall as a terrible series. Idk. Maybe that one flew past you. Sure the 2000s era had some unique games, but games these days have the same unique appeal. You got ghostrunner, subnautica, watchdogs, Hitman 2 and 3, It Takes Two, Firewatch, For Honor, destiny 2. Even rhythm games are making things unique with A Dance of Ice and Fire and rhythm doctor. I would argue that cs:go is as big if not bigger and dota 2 is still considered a good game and has a following. And don’t even get me started on vr. Beat saber, superhot vr, half life alyx, pavlov vr, boneworks, HDHHG, Stride. Its literally the future of gaming. While, yes, older titles are still fun, the industry is far from only being mainstream garbage-its just that games are more accessible because gaming isn’t seen as something done by only nerds and incels. And I don’t understand why mobas and fps games make you mad. There are still many good non fps/moba games, and the only popular moba I know besides dota is league. But even if mobas we’re super popular, so what? Thats just people’s interests shifting over time, which is natural. Simplified games aren’t necessarily a bad thing. You can still have complex interactions that run on simple systems. And calling league’s systems simple isn’t exactly a fair statement. Again, the industry of video games is far from a joke. A whole lotta good games out there. Theres an outstanding game from the recent years or one thats being constantly updated in every genre. I’m just sad you can’t find them. Lets see: Command n conquer is still getting more releases Forza for racing Valorant for tactical shooters(if you don’t like valorant, cs:go is still alive and well) Doom and BPM for fps dungeon crawlers The binding of Isaac for a 2d dungeon crawler RDR 2 for an open world game Just a huge amount of good shooters, take your pick honestly Superliminal for a puzzler Mirrors edge 2 for a parkour game And more. As for who cares about the stereotypes around gamers, gamers care. I don’t wanna be called a virgin incel for liking an art form. Its great we finally broke the stereotype. Anime is strange. I will not compare it to games. Some anime is insightful, heart wrenching, deep, and tackles tough subjects, I admit. But then that same anime will go into the next episode, and its fan service. And while some fan service is fine, it shouldn’t have a whole goddamn episode dedicated to it. And here is the thing. You mention anime being good because it creates and harbors perverts, incels, and the like. I, personally, do not think such a thing should exist. Its not healthy to be an incel, Its not healthy to be a pervert, it isn’t healthy to be ACTUALLY DEDICATED TO A DRAWING. Sure,you can think it looks pretty, you can even masturbate to it, but I draw the line at people being dedicated to anime girls and buying body pillows to dry hump in their mom’s basement. This is from an anime fan myself. Its weird. Its not good, and I don’t want that compared to games, which can tell interactive stories through sequences that you actually play through yourself. Its not a fitting comparison. Games aren’t mainstream garbage these days, their in-depth, well thought out, even moving.
SC II seems really cool. Wish I could play it, but the amount of time it takes to learn to play is kind of a problem when you have many things to do. The sad life of being adult.
Yeah , it takes lotta time 1 match at medium may take up to 50 minutes . But you may rush and win it in 15 minutes tho . Btw you can practice on bots ( which is shorter as they're weaker and only thing they do is : build an army and do a single probe / drone / SCV walkthrough your base.
You learn mostly outside of games by theory crafting and grasping concepts , ladder games are just for the purpose of information gathering technically. You can improve fast with relatively few games it just depends on how deeply can you think and analyse the game. Bronze level games are bangers. When I got master badge watching bronze games became my favourite hobby
Left stance: Hunchback, eyes glued to screen, headphones to surround himself. Right stance: Sitting up right, no headphones, eyes away from screen to prevent damage.
We have a saying in Afrikaans here in South Africa that describes this nicely: "Ja-nee!" It means "yes-no" when transliterated but has a nuanced meaning in practice. It simply acknowledges the reality of something. Boy, I wish to play SC2 again! But I just lose, lose and... every now again... lose more badly than usual.
@@Frontline_view_kaiser Interesting! Afrikaans is closely related to Dutch, but there are also a few German words here and there, from what I can tell. My grandfather moved from Holland to SA after WW2. I think I'd like to visit Germany one day.
And guess what? In the opposite side of the continent, in north Africa we say the same yes-no but in Arabic and other Arabs (Middle east and all...) don't understand the meaning xD
So, you, me and Nobr4in3r are going to have lunch one day with the other Arabs from the Middle East watching us speak Afrikaans, Arabic and German just so that you can look at them and say, "These guys get me." And then we will say, "Ja-nee!"
This is the first time I see an RTS and a Moba being compared to wach other. While I owe my childhood to the both of them. In the end they both have qualities the shine especially at the very top ceilings of skill.
@@peffiSC2source Not dead. Rather it maintained what the internet calls; OG's. It has a consistent sizable fan base but compared to lol, it's quite small. Nevertheless, it's quite very active especially in Asia. It can be mistaken as "dead" simple due to it's outside looks and what other lol players see the game as but once you dig deeper, you'll see a very active, consistent, dedicated, highly intelligent and has a far far less toxic fanbase. The fact you said that it's dead simply because it's no longer relevant in the flow of TH-cam just shows how shallow you are. Simple judging a game by it's looks but not actually knowing how fun and exhilarating the game really is.
@@holycrusader7965 I am just saying it's dead to trigger salty Starcraft elitists. I always hated how immature Starcraft players are and how they think they are better for playing a game that requires you to click more buttons than some other game. I thought that after years of this projection and insecurity based on the unpopularity of a video game people identify themselves way too much with, the Starcraft community would grow out of it. But no, the same whining that existed almost 15 years ago, how Starcraft players are just so intelligent, sophisicated, wise and above the rest of gaming, continues to this day. Just for the record, I played a bunch of different competetive games from different genres, including Starcraft and League of Legends. When it comes to just being happy about people enjoying video games, the League of Legends community was always more mature and chill compared to the Starcraft community. There were rarely any posts that ridiculed other games or players of other games. Meanwhile Starcraft fans kept purity testing video games and developed a superiority complex around their nerdy but dwindling community, ridiculing everyone that just wants to enjoy a game, driving out new players in the process. Even nowadays, when I listen to Artosis casting ASL/GSL, every once in a while there is a short circlejerk about how choosing to play Starcraft instead of LoL or Fortnite makes you a superior human being or something. And at this point it's difficult to chalk it up to just a joke, because some people definitely do think that way. In terms of general toxicity, Starcraft 2 at least wasn't that much better than League when I played it. Only difference was that in a given League game, there can be 9 other people that are toxic, while in Starcraft 2 it can generally only be the other person. But let's not pretend that Idra wasn't celebrated as a community icon. People like you and OP talk about shallowness but use low wage workers like cart pushers as a negative example to make your childish console-war Rick and Morty fanbase argument about video-game superiority. That says more about you guys than whatever you have to say about video games. You are talking about video games but ascribe virtues like higher intellect and work-ethic to someone's choice of their favorite video game. It's games, buddy. It's a hobby for the vast majority of players and most of us suck at them, no matter if it's LoL or Starcraft. Let other people enjoy their games. Celebrate success of other titles as a success of gaming and e-sports. Respect or at least try to understand the skill and knowledge that has to go into other types of games. The attitude of the Starcraft community probably contributed to the scene being so dead, that two of the greatest e-sports casters of our time have to be crowd-funded on Patreon to continue casting. If the Starcraft community built bridges instead of burning them, maybe they would have friends in other communities now that would be willing to help and promote the scene. Instead you make fun of the people playing some of the most successful and popular games in the world and then are surprised why no one wants to play Starcraft.
@@krisnayosep7121 no sona, cooldowns are generally lower and you can’t always spam W with yuumi, plus it’s practical sometimes to mash all 3+ buttons with sona with your face where as yuumi wouldn’t generally benefit from jumping off, loosing q control, and healing yourself(?) _also prework Udyr...._
High APM games aren't for everyone. I actually really prefer strategy games with slower pace like league, or even turn based since I'm way more comfortable playing it slow and smart than having to take fast decisions. Also, mistakes taken in sc2 have way less punishment in the long run in comparison to a LoL match, so even if it's slower paced I feel it is way more enervating and tense.
@@snorkak143 yeah, imagine parts of your army randomly splitting off and running blindly into the enemy and after getting destroyed flaming you for not paying attention.
And a friend of mine told me that his platinum matches are too intense for him to play more than one in a row if he doesn't want to die at a heart attack
I'm a master level Terran SC2 player, and have got platinum in LoL. This video is really funny though, made me laugh. Thing about LoL is that you have more time to rest your hands during a game, but games last a lot longer than SC2 games on average. In LoL bot lane game requires quite a lot of APM to play at a high level (it's like an intense micro battle throughout most of the game), and team fights need incredible reactions at the higher level. SC2 is more about multitasking, strategy, and high APM to keep all your production efficient, but it's less dependant on quick reactions than LoL. Starcraft: brood war is the most impressive game APM-wise to watch though.
"A lot of apm" yeah sure :D You are controlling a single unit. Spamming clicks isnt "a lot of apm". Pro SC2 players have an apm of 300+ and in MOBAs you need maybe around 100 apm even on pro level.
@@Ex0rz Feels like apm is the last thing starcraft players can say to praise their game. Well you play and interesting game with new concepts? But does it have 300+ apm? No? Why the fuck would i play it then? I cant have fun if my left hand doesnt spasm out throughout the whole game like i have goddamn parkinsons.
@@_tykee ain't that how you're supposed to play terran, anyways? Out of the three races, I find that terran is the one that leans towards harassment the most. Unless you play turtle mech, that is.
@@Chicopajiso I can see that, but Terran also can be a pretty 'passive' race (not Turtling, more head on engagements multiple times with maybe 1-2 minutes in between). I personally prefer the Head on Engagement form of Terran, occasionally 'cheesing' by placing production structures closer via floating.
Alex Bradley Bullshit!You got 4 skills 2 summoner's spells and an auto,you can't consistently spam everything. I don't think you even know how much you click actually. If you did that only with your mouse has you said then why do I see the LoL pro no doing that?Maybe because it is retarded and pointless?Maybe because LoL has no need for APM warmup because that will be as fast as you will be playing the whole game? You want to defend LoL and you are just hurting it by spilling shit through your mouth that doesnt even make sense.
The difference being APM as a metric isn't worth much. Mutlitasking is basically an irrelevant concept in LoL as well. Multitasking is where high APM matters in Starcraft
Imagine a game which mecanichs are like those 2 games, players interact in various forms, ones like lol, others like starcraft, the lol ones wouldn't complaing about the starcraft mistakes bc his part is dificult, and the starcraft ones wouldn't complain bc the lol ones part is insignificant
No it isn't, team games are the reason these games got popular. SC2 is a very lonely game after a while. If you enjoy it that's fine, but most people also want to be able to play with friends, and SC2 never tried to do anything with their 2v2s and 3v3s. And even when you do play them, you're too focused on the game to interact that much. Imo that's the reason
@@affirazer Strangers yes, but most people I know that play league or come back to league, do it to play with one or a couple of friends. I'm not saying people are playing League to meet people xD
Yeah I think this may be why StarCraft 2 isn't the King like it used to be. They focused too hard on the competitive 1v1 stuff, and didn't leave enough for just casual people. It just drove the more casual audience away. This is what I like about brood war. It has a nice big section dedicated to player made games. You could play a couple 3v3s, then maybe play some sunken d, then an FFA, and dozens of other games out there. With sc2, atleast for a long time, all there was, was 1v1. They never incentivised team games, atleast from my memory, and the custom games section was/is kinda clunky and small. Now we got co-op mode, but it's not quite the same, and it hasn't really been updated in years now, besides minor balance tweaks.
@@lotgc Opposite. SC2 pandered to casuals more than brood war, combine it with blizzards terrible management of the esport scene and you understand why it died out. LoL also panders to casuals but the game is mostly balanced around pro level and rito has been handling the scene exquisitely for the past 11 years.
Keep in mind, he is playing slow and plays Protoss. If you watch Serral, Maru, Rogue or any other high tier top player, you will see a steady screen for maybe 0,3 -0,4 seconds. In short: APM in Starcraft means something completly different than in LoL.
@@moskon95 Man, SC2 is really all amount timing, strategy and quick decision making. The difference is that under this is a large amount of mechanical skill driving it. The two games can be easily compared; LoL and SC2 share the same end game fundamental skills, with SC2 having a much higher degree of mechanical skill required. Games like LoL were literally born from custom scenarios in Warcraft, after all.
I disagree. While in my original comment i was not really precise with my language, i do not think that lol and SC2 share the same fundamental endgame skills, at least not to the same extent. Sure, both are strategy games that draw from the same pool of skills, so there is more comparability than with a cardgame for example. As you rightfully said, Lol (and also Dota) originated from Warcraft. Warcraft is probably somewhere in between LOL and SC regarding the skills you need. While SC takes the makro from Warcraft and cranks it up to the max, LOL takes the mikro from Warcraft and cranks it up to the max. This does not mean that either SC or LOL is without mikro or makro gampelay respectively, it just means that both games focus on different aspects. @@tree_eats
The funny part is Starcraft is the relaxing one but the guy in the video is playing like hes in a tournament. LOL is online competition but Starcraft is offline relaxation (unless you choose the online mode)
Why is everyone bitching? Both games are cool, and both can be simple or complex depending in the skill level of the player. Saying that APM equals complexity is like saying that OSU is more complex than chess. Why dont you just enjoy both games instead of blindly defend the one you like the most?
Exactly, but people want to believe whatever they want to believe just so they can feel superior about a game they play at probably a low level. Just sad
Haha he said that League is cool. I don't know what you find cool about an anime infested, pile of cancer and overloaded piece of shit champions but oke. Everybody has their own taste. But reality will always be reality. Meaning that League will always be dog shit.
As someone who's played both, I'm just gonna' say that sure SC2 might require more strategy, but it's also more stressful if you wanna' be good. There is value to games that are more accessible to more friends and easier to experiment with and more diversity in selection. If I want to compete and win money, I play SC2 (I can make about 4-8K a year on SC2 as a side hussle). If I just want to have a casual time with friends, I play LoL (more friends play LoL and it's also fun to try using non-main champions).
Yeah, RTS generally has a large skill ceiling, no matter how much you simplify the mechanics. Forts RTS, Tooth and Tail, to name a few. Generally if you want to have fun pvp rts experience, better to play with someone of very similar skill, or play against ai.
From what I see, he wasn't doing a lot of useful micro, most of his APM were actually wasted on spamming number keys. While it may be true that people may want to keep their hands warmed up throughout the game, but I think that's just for like pro level play. For guys playing in a free booth, I'm guessing that his APM will probably drop down significantly when battle actually happens.
@@dark3031 he's tapping to see if the productions buildings are actualy producing something, sending some things to scout and see what the terran is doing, puting a observer into position to see some attack early and in the last part he's producing units, there aren't so much useless movements here, but indeed the taping looks so much intimidating that it is. Is not a pro player thing. I'm in diamond 3 (a midde rank like platinum in league of legends) and have to do that too with zerg, these camera movements are called cycles and is a pretty fun thing to do when you get use to they.
I was initially confused about what this video was about. Then I realised how incredibly hilarious the contras in intensity was between the two players/games. Then after closely analysing what we see of the Protoss I realise that the only meaningful thing we see him do is move his observer twice and build a pylon & observer. The majority of the 'intensity' really comes from selecting of different control groups.
yeah it is still early game but many pros spam keys early on to warm up their hands in preparation for the mid to late game where they will have to go even faster and where every button press and click matters.
@@Michaelonyoutub Yeah, I know about the warm up thing but I don't think this guy is necessarily pro level. Although I can't see the timer or know what player it is I'm confident that (in the modern day, not 7 years ago), pros would not focus on warming up when on 2 base. Scouting around with their army, looking for opponents production or army movement would be more important than the excessive APM usage he does there. That said we still don't know if he was watching the minimap which would remove the scouting concern, or the potential fact that the meta was as such that he already know what was coming an thus did not care for further scouting, but either way I think that this isn't high level, at least compared to the modern pro player base.
I've had experience on both games and I have to say Starcraft 2 is harder you have to watch out for anything that's happening like literally anything else your gonna loose
Little Joshi Well your friends are completely biased and have no arguments. But looking at the video, the person was jungling. Of course it's not going to look interesting. Yes I know the starcraft game was also in it's early stages, but that doesn't necessarily show which game is better.
Competitive YGO: Whichever player topdecks better sets up his turn bringing 3-4 level 7 monsters on the field and sets 3 spell/traps. Ends his turn. The enemy surrenders.
Don't feed the troll guys...he is just sad that all his hour in LoL would translate to absolutely nothing in SC2. Also, macros?So you admit you cheat in LoL with macro keys to do what you cannot?I guess you are one to talk needing macros to compensate for your 15 apm skills.
Tristan Borie You're going to get wrecked if you build nothing but zerglings. For Zerg, you need a good mix of Anti Air units such as hydralisks (which often need to be split) and multiple spellcasters like Infestors or Vipers (which have as many active abilities as League champions). In addition, you have to look at your base and manage your production, upgrades, while occasionally scouting the enemy to see if you need to transition your gameplan to counter their build.
Biggest difficulty not in unit amount, but when you have different casters (like viper and corruptor) or when you need do combat trying to retreat some units to the back while not forgetting to continue get more units/upgrades/pylons/spread creep/inject larvas etc. Or in battles with high templars vs ghosts, player who have better feedback vs emp skill get the upper hand. All 3 races are challenging, while in league or dota there some difficult ones (like chen, invoker, meepo) and lot of primitive ones (like drow ranger, wraith king).... needless to say, 99% people play easy heroes and most difficult ones are least popular (yeah invoker is somewhat popular, but chen is not).. and then even with difficlt heroes it would be same as controlling army with multiple casters, but no macro.
Ah yes lets compare a moba: where you control one unit with 4 abilities at most plus or minus item actives and a full on rts: where you have to manage resource gathering, base building, dozens of units some with unique abilities plus a heavy rock paper scissors meta
+GeneralLee131 Funny this was said RIGHT before LOTV came out, where ZERG suddenly became super ez and destroy the fuck out of protoss in PvZ now.. lol Also, can I see your Starcraft 2 account that's at least diamond, where u have extremely low APM as Protoss? I've gotta see this, if you really do claim Protoss is that skilless.
I played both games and am not really a fan of either tbh. LoL is indeed much easier than SC2 which is also why the player base for LoL is larger. New players can just start the game and feel good about their performance compared to SC2 which isn't that easy. Not to mention LoL is free, which attracts players who want to and players who also don't want to try it... but do so because it is free. Either way, just play the game you find most fun!
"New players can just start the game and feel good about their performance compared to SC2 which isn't that easy." This is exactly the reason why sc2 is better. Less children and other ethnic scum and higher skill cap - something to work for
napukapu I agree you feel much more accomplished after winning a game of SC2 than LoL mainly because it isn't a one time decision that you make throughout the game, or even 10s of decisions, but much more than that. (assuming it is a macro game) Also I wouldn't necessarily say it makes it "better". It comes down to the definition of what makes it "better"? LoL can also be said to be "better" because of the lower learning curve thus concentrating on having fun rather than going through frustration and losses trying to learn the game.
Casual. If "fun" is hoping you don't match up with russians, brazilians, children or mentally handicapped people so that you even have a chance of winning without these idiots failing your game then I'll pass. LoL = 5 people trying to play as one, SC2 = One person trying to play as 5
5years later but here I am! Well, one game requires a lot more mechanics and is a solo experience, while the other requires exponentially more game knowledge and is a team game on top of that. Its funny seeing people argue about it. The meme is pretty good tho.
dadevilboy1243 Even a video can show you how easy lol is... Too easy, i'm gold2 & i don't even know half the champions yet...Been playing for 2 months now. Well i remember it took me atleast 3years of no life gaming to get to 2k rating in WoW wotlk
Ikr? Too weird that not many are pointing it out. That mentality is so widespread now, that i still play 10 year old games because all games nowadays are made to be 100% fast paced all the time until its a chaotic mess where theres no place for strategy.
SC = 200 Units LoL = LoL... clic clic clic clic clic, go ahead, come back go ahead, come back, kill stupid minion, go ahead, como back, kill stupid minion
sicerify isnt true?, clic clic clic clic clic clic, kill minion, go ahead, go back go ahead go back go ahead go back clic clic clic clic clic clic kill minion... ISNT TRUE?
![1 Terran vs 7 ELITE A.I. [Extreme Quality]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/k8oUc2K8nKs/mqdefault.jpg)
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Keep in mind, he's playing as the protoss, the race that is famous for requiring the least actions per minute.
i mean, zerg has inflated apm so its not that clear, you just keep the z button pressed and the apm will go really high
@@comandantethorn9929 epm is also high, zerg apm is inflated but microing zerg late game is the hardest in the game, they require the most casters
I used to zvz without banelings by splitting zerglings and focus firing with Queens and spines.
Fun times...
well it's also fair to say that 80% of that apm is not required and just spam..I mean it's not entirely useless to keep your fingers moving but it's not really doing anything in terms of gameplay
Maybe in the past, but I'm not sure if that's really the case now with Disruptors and Adepts.
Meanwhile, in Hearthstone.
_APM 1_
Until somebody runs pirates in BG...
@@anamorfoplasis LOL so true
tbh in HS my APM usually around 100 cuz im just watching the dust effect after clicking
@@rw722 same
*laughs in Priest Boar OTK APM*
Boy that red buff sure is a challenge
Hell yeah xD
In season 3 camps were strong
@@ncoetastefulchannel5522 true actually
no jg item :(
@@Schmaeil No I'm pretty sure he had a jungle item since it's season 4, video was uploaded in 2014. Camps were still a lot harder tho
One is having fun, the other... is playing league of legends
That's painfully true
Imagine having fun in a post 2005 blizzard game, lol
One's gonna get flamed for not ganking. The others gonna get flamed for cannon rushing.
league was fun in 2014
I think if league was 1v1 like SC 2 the games would be way less toxic. Nothing tilts me more than my own team.
Would have been funnier if 7 years ago yummi was in game, he would even be reading his phone instead of touching the pc
XD
Cooking, not just reading phone.
Then he could play league and starcraft at the same time
Still cant believe Riot add this champion when 50% of lol is base on movement... lets add a champ that you can play with one hand in your pocket..
@@louforcier2549 Haha. There is a player who's playing BOT by himself. He used his feet to play YUUMI. Unfortunately he can only use Yuumi in his own Champ which is ADC.
In case you didn't know the game, the right guy playing starcraft and left guy adjusting his wallpaper
LOL!!!
@@9and7 yes, literally LoL :)
@@Death91Rider AFK jungle farming
I remember when my brother played StarCraft tournaments when we live in Iraq, I always cheer him hehe
Sukaena & Cornelius HAHAH i can relate to this
I remember trying multiplayer in starcraft 2 for the first time. My opponent noticed that I was making rookie mistakes, he taught me what to do and why. We thanked each other, I gave up the match and we parted ways. As if I could picture us bowing to each other in honor. 10/10 remarkable experience
I remember trying multiplayer in League of Legends for the first time. My allies noticed that i was making rookie mistakes, they cursed the next three generations of my family. We offended each other, they gave up the match and reported me. As if i could picture they spitting on my face out of hatred. 10/10 remarkable experience.
@@kwoth4011 The perfect reply to a perfect comment.
@@noidea2568 yeah I love it 🤣
He was just trying to build you up into an opponent worth beating lol
I can understand the incentive
@@kwoth4011 that's... Yeah.... Yikes.... 😬
...and that's protoss
Yeah, imagine if this was Zerg
Sixyn Or Terran vs a Zerg ;) Cmon, we have to split!
Swampy it's exactly what i wanted to say xD
+Sixyn or this would be Losira!
imagine a terran multidrop and split army in engagement
The guy playing league is how I play Starcraft cause I don’t know any of the key bindings and only play single player.
I've at least managed to get the 1v1 ai to max. Thought "wow I must be pretty decent now." Multiplayer put me back into my place.
@@garuda4867 LOL
I can understand only playing singleplayer but not knowing ANY keybindings!? How can you even enjoy the game without hotkeys?
@@rickloucofixe Didn’t know they existed and have a hard time remembering between every game
@@transonicfob2293 Yeah, man, I can remember the basic ones, as in V for SCV, C for command center, B for barracks, R for gas, and just a few more.
Edit: oop, you deleted your comment, I'm sorry, I think I came across as rude, sorry if that was the case.
Sorry, is the guy on the left watching league of legends or playing?
LMAO =))
I did not see his fingers move once
He is jungling so... Both
@@moritzgraber9962 he is moving hes only using mouse
@@weather9206 he had sarcasm, you know, right?
Well you don't notice the stress in the guy on the left who goes jungle and all his team is flaming him because they lost their lines at minute five
1.- Tried LoL
2.- Got killed because no tutorial given
3.- uninstall
lines LOL
Bro you don't notice the stress of the guy on the right he has because he's playing SC2
@@Sir_Isaac_Newton_ there is a tutorial, it has like 10 steps.
@@CarlDeer now there is but not years ago
one has the apm of someone casually typing a love letter to a girlfriend, another has the apm of someone who is scrambling to get their thesis done an hour before the deadline
Bold of you to assume the league player could have a girlfriend.
tyler1 has gf though
tbh dude playing league is absolute poo with no kiting while dude playing protoss is artificially inflating his apm xd
Harassing the enemy base, while creating an expansion, while upgrading your units, while creating more units, while exploring the enemy tech, while countering the enemy tech, while facing enemy army, etc. Definitely doens´t require more skill than last hitting 10 minions per minute.
Best comment lol
Knowing 5 (passive+4 spells)*145 champions abilities (without counting champions with more than 4 abilities), knowing runes and do them in 30 seconds changing them every game, tracking enemy jungler, last hitting minions, manage mana and health resources, win skirmishes and little trades, remember 4 abilities + 2 summoners spells enemies cooldowns (6*5= 30), set vision, allow your jungler to gank your lane by moving smartly without making enemy think you are getting ganked, fake recalls to freeze the wave, hardpush or slowpush in base of your planning to back to buy the perfect item in that specifically match up with a precalculated amount of gold earned before.
Now the first 10 minutes of games are passed.
Prepare for objectives, teamfights and rotations.
Still 100 times easier than command some weird creatures trough a galactic war.
@@jacopodam184 I see someone pissed here hahaha Why don't enjoy the video before comparing what game is easier? This comparatives are awful and you don't get anything replying a comment of 5 years ago
@@m.i.4245 I never played starcraft in my life
@@jacopodam184 Then why the hell are you arguing?
When you try to compare 2 games, but you haven't even played one of them.
OMEGA LUL
I remember watching a documentary about a Korean StarCraft team as one of their member is retiring because he got old at 25 because his speed lost around 0.5 sec or something like that, it was insane.
Yeah but, lots of top players are older than that, right?
@@pr0wnageify I saw the documentary maybe 10 years ago, so I'm sure now they have improved
documentary?
@@CFL-nd3uo you want to know the name!!? If so then sorry I forgot.
But it was old 10 years maybe more or less
Yeah what’s the documentary ? :)
and for some strange reason its the chill 10 apm guy on the left that rages and loses his sht every game.
This comment is pure gold. Starcraft players are gentlemen (mostly) and Dota is full of ragers.
0:12 Looks over to SC player
*Right clicking intensifies*
I'm pretty sure you're a noob.
In league of legends, you start the game very slowly, later it can get faster, but that guy playing starcraft, ,_, i wish i could do that
@@kowiiino I can teach you that.
First: You might need to google a bit. Whats APM stands for? It is count as a score.
Second: Thinking your strategy.
Pick a race and think your strategy whats after Barracks, Cybernetic core and Hive level 2
I suggest you watch some pro player play copy they strategy and make up your own.
Third: relax... When the game start. Focus on making Worker then build first building.
Then Send one probe scout the enemy base.
fourth: When you feel you wanna use your strategy. Don’t use it yet. Build a defend and more some Command center or nexus or Hive for good income.
Final: Now activate your strategy skills no matter how slow or fast but you can get used to it.
*Send a scout*
Detector is very important if you saw: Terran Air-field[Mean terran air producer] Roach dungeon , Dark templar shrine , Nuclear tower and some borrowed unit.
Use Math: time and Economics
Makes you smarter and instant clicking.
Sorry for my bad essay
AERVKNAEROVAEIORAVIOER GOD
@@judicatorhurayth1927 You can clearly see that he doesn't want to play Sc2. Why waste your time writing this.
Me manually clicking so that the boxy people maker building makes the funny talking gun guys come out
i had a stroke reading this
@@ok-yw8bt I had a stonk, call the bondulance
@@umadbroimatroll7918 i cannot the understand
YOU WANT A PIECE OF ME BOY?
lmao
When Faker plays League of Legends it looks like Starcraft, when I play Starcraft, it looks like League of Legends.
lmaooo??
Flash>Faker
If that isn't a fucking MOOD
@симпл димпл IDK if League can really be counted as a DotA Rip Off when Steve Feak/Guinsoo(one of the dev of LoL) was one of the devs that works on the original DotA, its more of a Spiritual Successor instead of a rip off honestly.
@@itsarin2166 Steve Feak was dev of dota allstars, not original dota. Original dota came out in 2003, then Guinsoo stole map and named it dota allstars 2004, he also stole all heroes and designs
The Virgin League of legends player
Vs
The Chad Starcraft 2 player
star craft is too hard of a game for most new players. its playerbase is dwindling, hence why blizzard is pulling support of competitive sc2.
@@jasonl1184 be gone small brain
@@jasonl1184 Sc2 is not too hard. It's because you haven't practiced enough.
@VeroMithril For some reason reasons, I prefer Sc1.
@@cutenoob21354 lmao brain so big you had to use twice of the reasons to why you prefer the first game
I like how it's compared with toss player :)
...and even that seemed to take more skill.
Hahaha ok I like this. This may be why after so many years I still love watching a pro SC match. There is just so much mental energy put into a single minute of high end SC play its rediculous. And anyone who has ever invested some time in the game can see that.
It’s even more ridiculous if you actually watch pro plays from their perspective, it’s almost unwatchable for some people..
@@kingpet Watched some of Serral's play when he was at the top. It was like watching a computer play a game.
Remember broodwar :)) even the way they start the game by group all drone click harvest then select each drone to harvest a different mineral in the mean time it move to mineral line is already give me speechless
The League of Legends fan
vs
The Starcraft 2 enjoyer
Both look like elephant foot from Chernobyl
*picture of Byun "Micro Jackson"*
Yeee, Starcraft is better, because when you play it, you actually have fun, while lol is just toxicity itself.
@@stickmanweirdadventures2550 LoL is toxic and all that, but have you seen the SC2 all chat? It's a dumpster fire full of political and racist stuff
@@DenDi823 well, all i have seen that what you said, but there were also positive things, like jokes, and they made me crack my ass open of laughing. There is still a healthy community in SC2.
*grabs popcorn, scrolls to comment section*
Tea?
It's a shitshow, it's really bad. People should try to make their points on what they think about these games without putting down one or the other, both are amazing games, both require different skills.
Everyone needs to understand that it's not as easy as it seems, comparing these two, and that it's not something you should do in the first place
It's like comparing Chess to Counter Strike
@@runtergerutscht4401 You should also get pin too in this video
@@lrugelgumiho4751 exactly, comparing Moba with a fucking RTS is just dumb
If any of y'all wondering why the sc2 player has such 'high' apm, every single millisecond/ second is crucial in the early game and it's a way to warm yourself up if the game goes into mid to late game where high apm is required for greater multitasking efficiency.
Micro plays were lost in League.. unlike DotA where you have heroes like Meepo, which requires high Apm like SC to play him optimally..
@@lmntsgames3848 i very much doubt microing a single character requires the same apm as microing multiple groups of units while also producing more units the whole time.
It’s actually because small advantages add up over the course of a match. Small advantages, even being a little faster than your opponent, makes the difference when your opponent is equally as capable as you are.
@@noobzerg1990 meepo is several characters :D but I get your point!
It's interesting because I played Starcraft for years before I ever touched League. So in my head, any top-down game should be played with the highest APM possible, and that's how I played League.
I have no idea about starcraft, but watching it gives me epillepsy
lol
You get used to it if you watch a live game.
I personally hang around low in SC2, but I enjoy watching casters, easier to digest actions and the like. Maybe 3 people all working perfectly together can equal a SC pro
It's fun to watch, especially with casting.
If you don't have any playing experience in it you're just watching jarring screen changes. I play some (gold), but watching very high level players' POV's is still disorienting lol.
Gotta watch a Serral replay with 60 screens per minute on average (aka looks at one thing for 1sec at a time on average :o), that's when it gets really intense... injecting 4 hatcheries in different places in like 0.25 seconds? no problem xD
Plot twist, both are having fun
Finally, a not toxic fanboy
well if you count playing protoss as fun ;)
I love playing starcraft, but going into hyperactive mode while playing just causes me headaches after like 5 or so games and I can't play more than that a day.
Tension is real
That's because SC2 requires having something more than a pea brain.
Pero la satisfacción que recibes después de ganar una partida lo recompensa todo
Same headache problem happens with league, although is not for the same reason
@@UwU-xk5cx i see what you did there lmao
This guy was like "keep calm, farm that feral flare"
With Fiddle? nope.
Pablo Enos Cabrera
he is playing Xin Zhao not fiddle ;)
just btw :D
Man remember when feral flare was a thing lmao
@@felixiii4186 ye Kkk
As a sc2 and league player. League is a very relaxing game comepared to sc2 😂
It depends a lot, in sc if you're going in a low rank match it's really chill, on league if you are going with friends who know the meaning of respect and "play for fun" then it's also really chill I would say
@@vitmartobby5644 idk back in 2012 when I was in silver on SC2 my low rank games were still as intense as when I got to masters in the next year.
As someone who plays both, I would say the opposite, not because of the difficulty but because of the players
@@UwU-xk5cx i have my chat turned off on league.
@@vitmartobby5644 low rank games feel even more intense because of being overwhelmed
Yeah thanks TH-cam for recommending me this 7 years later and making me look like a boomer
TH-cam recommendations once again
I don't play these games anymore but seeing recent comments being the exact same as the older ones makes me think about how annoying I was back then, being proud of having arthritis at a young age and all.
People who plays DDR using 2 dance pad: *I'm four parallel worlds ahead of you.*
Saya Simp. History will look kindly on you.
Playing StarCraft at that level requires your brain to work like a factory it really is admirable StarCraft 2 is like a fast paced chess match
I once played a chess party where contols were this:
You press three keys consecutively, one being the figure you move (k for king, q for queen, etc.), the other two - a coordinate where you're sending the figure. Not to mention that all the twin figures (rooks, horses and bishops) must also have their starting coordinate stated.
Now what's the twist, you'll ask me?
Two players both have 10 seconds for a game.
What's the key for knight tho
n probably
@@daizbid KN obviously
@@БакасовМарат all these keystrokes would leave a ton of room for error on the computer's part. Why even type the letter if you're also gonna type the starting coordinate? That's just a waste of time and inputs.
oh man it shouldnt matter what game you prefer, play or a fan of, this video is fucking hilarious
LuL = AFK watching a movie
SC2 = flipping through channels
i feel SC2 is a bigger challenge :P LoL is fun but its not the hardest to play tbh..
SC2 give me a moral boost when i win a match cause its hard
Yes! I am playing DotA more than SC now because I'm better at it lol, but I still play SC sometimes because it is so much more rewarding.
EpicFailFTW I spend more time watching replays of victories and patting myself on the back than actually playing hahaha
and you haven't tried BW yet, it makes SC2 looks liek LOL xd
Yeah League the challenge isn't really with the mechanics and learning the games. Rather it's learning to deal with the children that play it.
Well League of legends is hard in a different sense than Starcraft, LOL is not hard because of the gameplay, but it is hard because you have to team up with other people.
As a League player for almost 9 years now and a former protoss diamond player I can say that SC takes much more mechanical skill and apm to be good at. Being good in LoL is more about decision making and punishing enemy mistakes than flashy plays
Sc2 is all about decision making and punishing, it is a real time strategy game. Sc2 is harder than LOL that's for sure. But LOL requires more knowledge, lots of champs items etc.
Sc2 you can die in 2mins vs cannon rush if you're bad enough. :D
@@LemonTree167 even pros can die to cannons rushes, and still do.
@ARTIIST 2.0 it just takes time
@@gorkemsaylgan2421 a lot of time.
Watching the video after 7 years one the games died while the other survived
Imagine all the great games died,diablo.....Warcraft 3.....StarCraft......Dota.....and all we have left now is fortnite....league of legends.....overwatch.....Minecraft........games aimed at kiddies and casuals.....
Oi vey....makes u wish u could go back in time....
Back when video games were made for hardcore gamers and nerds and losers and geeks by other gamers and nerds and losers and geeks......instead of this mainstream garbage like what they turn star wars into.....
@@jont2576 in what planet is league aimed at casuals? it's literally balanced around the top 0.5% lmao. been a while since i've played overwatch but i'm fairly sure it's the same
@@jont2576 so your just an idiot? We’ve got battlefield, street fighter, tekken, titanfall, cod, apex, warzone, and rainbow six to name a few, all with moderately large fanbases. What games have you been playing? Also, league and overwatch are high complexity high skill pro league focused games, certainly not for kiddies and casuals. Even if they were, that doesn’t make a game bad, its just for a different person. And what is so wrong about video games not being for incels and losers anymore? We broke that stereotype, that should be a good thing. Do you just not have friends and feel the need to make fun of the popular games now? Because Starcraft 2 was big for its time, which made it mainstream, but you still feel the need to regard it as if it just had a cult following. And for the record, StarCraft 2, as an example, has way, way, wayyyyy more players daily then you give it credit for currently, around 500k per day, far from a game with an actual cult following, titanfall 2, which peaked at 16,732 players this month according to steamcharts, and only has 22,992 players online currently as I’m typing this. Really strange how the games you mention aren’t dead at all.
@@jacobbau8328 whoopee doo.....so ur remaking and remastering and sequeling all the games that we had and didnt bother to mention.....guess when did they come out....in the 2000s and early 2010ish.....
between even those are garbage.....titanfall?battlefield?cod?cod was great maybe the first 2 or 3 titles....
2000s we had stuff like command n conquer,need for speed,left 4 dead,age of empires,empire earth, half life, portal,back when gaben and steam actually cared about making games.....remember when counter strike and dota and wow pre TBC was massive,bioshock, diablo, max payne, dead space.....even the earlier assasin creeds and GTA....
remember when MMORPGS were all the rage?now all people play is fps or moba or fps moba....or watch people build shyt on minecraft.....
league of legends high complexity??its like they took dota and dumbed it down and simplified it 10 times so the people with 8 year old motor skills and plays minecraft dont cry if they keep losing or get stomped by a playerbase thats too competitive for them....
no longer for losers or incels who cares?i rather u not destroy a activity or artform or industry and turn it into a joke.....taking all the great genres and destroying them and replacing them with garbage like fall guys or amongst us.......its like u took dune or star trek took all the complexity creativity depth intellectual and turned it into some mainstream mindless explosion action garbage.......oh wait they did.....
leave it to the incels or losers and people who obssess with whatever activity and make it their lives,they are the ones who comes up with the best stuff eventually....not the mainstream market and mass consumers......doesnt matter its comics or video games or books or sci fi or even music or anime......take anime for christ sake jesus.....take anime for example......now its full of politics and bullshyt and full of idiots who cant stop referencing anime every minute or talking like anime......u know why anime is great and what makes anime great,its the creation and refuge of incels and losers and otakus for decades,it was the culmination of the deepest darkest depraved fantasies and the sickest and most disturbing nightmares,it was the pure imagination of nerds,thats why they took the most creative liberties and challenged the norms of ideas and societies, both intellectually and sexually.....of course to most sane ordinary normal people it would be hard to swallow.... imagine reading a book like lolita u think most people would accept that?yet its literary genius and a work of art......
anything that becomes too mainstream eventually turns to shyt.....case in point RAP.iv never been a fan of rap in my life......but u look at the state of rap now makes me wanna laugh,rap is the most popular genre now but todays rap is horrendous garbage.....compared to 80s and 90s rap......today u have rappers like lil wayne,gucci gang,nicky minaj or the millions of other "lil" whatever......and their songs all sounds the same.....absolute garbage.....
u took a pure artform by the greats and turned it into mainstream garbage to sell to hundreds of millions of kiddies and young adults.....
@@jont2576 Remastered games can be good, great even. Take titanfall 2, bf 4. And its not just remastered games that can be good. Valorant is fun, and requires healthy amounts of skill to climb in. And yes, while some of these games are old, they hold up really well in todays market, unlike Diablo, or team fortress classic.
Secondly, you cut down a huge portion of the series’ that I mentioned. Street fighter V is great, and apex and rainbow six are perhaps better. And somehow, you mention titanfall as a terrible series. Idk. Maybe that one flew past you.
Sure the 2000s era had some unique games, but games these days have the same unique appeal. You got ghostrunner, subnautica, watchdogs, Hitman 2 and 3, It Takes Two, Firewatch, For Honor, destiny 2. Even rhythm games are making things unique with A Dance of Ice and Fire and rhythm doctor. I would argue that cs:go is as big if not bigger and dota 2 is still considered a good game and has a following. And don’t even get me started on vr. Beat saber, superhot vr, half life alyx, pavlov vr, boneworks, HDHHG, Stride. Its literally the future of gaming. While, yes, older titles are still fun, the industry is far from only being mainstream garbage-its just that games are more accessible because gaming isn’t seen as something done by only nerds and incels. And I don’t understand why mobas and fps games make you mad. There are still many good non fps/moba games, and the only popular moba I know besides dota is league. But even if mobas we’re super popular, so what? Thats just people’s interests shifting over time, which is natural.
Simplified games aren’t necessarily a bad thing. You can still have complex interactions that run on simple systems. And calling league’s systems simple isn’t exactly a fair statement.
Again, the industry of video games is far from a joke. A whole lotta good games out there. Theres an outstanding game from the recent years or one thats being constantly updated in every genre. I’m just sad you can’t find them. Lets see:
Command n conquer is still getting more releases
Forza for racing
Valorant for tactical shooters(if you don’t like valorant, cs:go is still alive and well)
Doom and BPM for fps dungeon crawlers
The binding of Isaac for a 2d dungeon crawler
RDR 2 for an open world game
Just a huge amount of good shooters, take your pick honestly
Superliminal for a puzzler
Mirrors edge 2 for a parkour game
And more. As for who cares about the stereotypes around gamers, gamers care. I don’t wanna be called a virgin incel for liking an art form. Its great we finally broke the stereotype.
Anime is strange. I will not compare it to games. Some anime is insightful, heart wrenching, deep, and tackles tough subjects, I admit. But then that same anime will go into the next episode, and its fan service. And while some fan service is fine, it shouldn’t have a whole goddamn episode dedicated to it. And here is the thing. You mention anime being good because it creates and harbors perverts, incels, and the like. I, personally, do not think such a thing should exist. Its not healthy to be an incel, Its not healthy to be a pervert, it isn’t healthy to be ACTUALLY DEDICATED TO A DRAWING. Sure,you can think it looks pretty, you can even masturbate to it, but I draw the line at people being dedicated to anime girls and buying body pillows to dry hump in their mom’s basement. This is from an anime fan myself. Its weird. Its not good, and I don’t want that compared to games, which can tell interactive stories through sequences that you actually play through yourself. Its not a fitting comparison.
Games aren’t mainstream garbage these days, their in-depth, well thought out, even moving.
SC II seems really cool. Wish I could play it, but the amount of time it takes to learn to play is kind of a problem when you have many things to do. The sad life of being adult.
You can also just derp around in bronze league, when your opponent is crappy aswell it's still challenging^^
It’s so rewarding though and makes you think alot about strategies and counters
Yeah , it takes lotta time 1 match at medium may take up to 50 minutes . But you may rush and win it in 15 minutes tho . Btw you can practice on bots ( which is shorter as they're weaker and only thing they do is : build an army and do a single probe / drone / SCV walkthrough your base.
You learn mostly outside of games by theory crafting and grasping concepts , ladder games are just for the purpose of information gathering technically.
You can improve fast with relatively few games it just depends on how deeply can you think and analyse the game. Bronze level games are bangers. When I got master badge watching bronze games became my favourite hobby
@@Jaime_Protein_Cannister i can tell that will probably take 3 hours a day, which most adults probably cant spend.
Can't we all come together and at least realize that we are all members of the pc master race
+Nate M. (TheNinjaguy) I agree with this guy.
+Nate M. (TheNinjaguy) I with this guy all the way i play both
Man, we all want to see the world burns
Of course. However, some are at the lower end of the race than others.
No, lol is shit
Ones about cooperation, ones about commanding and ordering around to make sure things cooperate
The real winner here is hearthstone.... Way to unlock!
Brood War: that's cute
YES PHIL
Virgin: SC2
Chad: SC1
Glue sniffer: LoL
@@whitneysmiltank why are you right?
@@kuroshi7kisu 300 iq
@@whitneysmiltank 400 iq don't sell yourself short big bro
Left stance: Hunchback, eyes glued to screen, headphones to surround himself.
Right stance: Sitting up right, no headphones, eyes away from screen to prevent damage.
We have a saying in Afrikaans here in South Africa that describes this nicely: "Ja-nee!" It means "yes-no" when transliterated but has a nuanced meaning in practice. It simply acknowledges the reality of something. Boy, I wish to play SC2 again! But I just lose, lose and... every now again... lose more badly than usual.
Interesting. In germany we also say "Ja-nee" it means a pretty similar meaning
@@Frontline_view_kaiser Interesting! Afrikaans is closely related to Dutch, but there are also a few German words here and there, from what I can tell. My grandfather moved from Holland to SA after WW2. I think I'd like to visit Germany one day.
And guess what? In the opposite side of the continent, in north Africa we say the same yes-no but in Arabic and other Arabs (Middle east and all...) don't understand the meaning xD
So, you, me and Nobr4in3r are going to have lunch one day with the other Arabs from the Middle East watching us speak Afrikaans, Arabic and German just so that you can look at them and say, "These guys get me." And then we will say, "Ja-nee!"
@@RuanHuysen haha 😄
It would've been much more hilarious if the two were each playing Yuumi and late game Zerg.
Faker with his camera change spams: hold my beer
yea xD that give me headache
* Faker with his useless camera change spams * that's what you tried to type i guess
@@ramtonic59 xd man hes no.1 in the world for a reason, stop being jelous
@@ocea7995spamming apm is useless by the way he do it for no reason but whatever
@@ocea7995 Faker is not nr. 1 anymore... He is way out of his prime at this point
This is the first time I see an RTS and a Moba being compared to wach other.
While I owe my childhood to the both of them. In the end they both have qualities the shine especially at the very top ceilings of skill.
right, you wouldn't put up chess against starcraft and say "look how slow chess is, is it even a challenge?"
More like, comparing a walmart cart pusher vs a F1 driver
More like comparing football to a 100m sprint
The rare double elitism conparison. This is why Starcraft is a dead game lol.
@@peffiSC2source Not dead. Rather it maintained what the internet calls; OG's. It has a consistent sizable fan base but compared to lol, it's quite small. Nevertheless, it's quite very active especially in Asia. It can be mistaken as "dead" simple due to it's outside looks and what other lol players see the game as but once you dig deeper, you'll see a very active, consistent, dedicated, highly intelligent and has a far far less toxic fanbase. The fact you said that it's dead simply because it's no longer relevant in the flow of TH-cam just shows how shallow you are. Simple judging a game by it's looks but not actually knowing how fun and exhilarating the game really is.
@@holycrusader7965 I am just saying it's dead to trigger salty Starcraft elitists. I always hated how immature Starcraft players are and how they think they are better for playing a game that requires you to click more buttons than some other game. I thought that after years of this projection and insecurity based on the unpopularity of a video game people identify themselves way too much with, the Starcraft community would grow out of it. But no, the same whining that existed almost 15 years ago, how Starcraft players are just so intelligent, sophisicated, wise and above the rest of gaming, continues to this day.
Just for the record, I played a bunch of different competetive games from different genres, including Starcraft and League of Legends. When it comes to just being happy about people enjoying video games, the League of Legends community was always more mature and chill compared to the Starcraft community. There were rarely any posts that ridiculed other games or players of other games. Meanwhile Starcraft fans kept purity testing video games and developed a superiority complex around their nerdy but dwindling community, ridiculing everyone that just wants to enjoy a game, driving out new players in the process. Even nowadays, when I listen to Artosis casting ASL/GSL, every once in a while there is a short circlejerk about how choosing to play Starcraft instead of LoL or Fortnite makes you a superior human being or something. And at this point it's difficult to chalk it up to just a joke, because some people definitely do think that way. In terms of general toxicity, Starcraft 2 at least wasn't that much better than League when I played it. Only difference was that in a given League game, there can be 9 other people that are toxic, while in Starcraft 2 it can generally only be the other person. But let's not pretend that Idra wasn't celebrated as a community icon.
People like you and OP talk about shallowness but use low wage workers like cart pushers as a negative example to make your childish console-war Rick and Morty fanbase argument about video-game superiority. That says more about you guys than whatever you have to say about video games. You are talking about video games but ascribe virtues like higher intellect and work-ethic to someone's choice of their favorite video game. It's games, buddy. It's a hobby for the vast majority of players and most of us suck at them, no matter if it's LoL or Starcraft. Let other people enjoy their games. Celebrate success of other titles as a success of gaming and e-sports. Respect or at least try to understand the skill and knowledge that has to go into other types of games.
The attitude of the Starcraft community probably contributed to the scene being so dead, that two of the greatest e-sports casters of our time have to be crowd-funded on Patreon to continue casting. If the Starcraft community built bridges instead of burning them, maybe they would have friends in other communities now that would be willing to help and promote the scene. Instead you make fun of the people playing some of the most successful and popular games in the world and then are surprised why no one wants to play Starcraft.
@@peffiSC2source dude... no one here read that essay, because it not gonna serve any purpose except making strangers online uncomfortable
After 5,000 clicks, you now have a supply depot.
_“Hold my beer”_
-Sona players
You mean Yuumi ?
@@krisnayosep7121 no sona, cooldowns are generally lower and you can’t always spam W with yuumi, plus it’s practical sometimes to mash all 3+ buttons with sona with your face where as yuumi wouldn’t generally benefit from jumping off, loosing q control, and healing yourself(?)
_also prework Udyr...._
@@krisnayosep7121 yuumi? thats by far the EASIEST support ever
I try to play sona but she eats mana, drives me nuts lol
@@joshualox32 you almost got the joke
Now put Someone playing Starcraft Brood War next to them.
Is SC2 harder than Brood War?
Now put Age Of Empires to the show
@@19htown No Broodwar is a lot harder than any game, mechnically.
@@LiFsWo any game are you sure ?
Is it?
Be me, a casual Starcraft 2 player:
*And I felt that*
oh man, this aged like fine wine. Epic 500+ APM games vs glitter on the screen
High APM games aren't for everyone. I actually really prefer strategy games with slower pace like league, or even turn based since I'm way more comfortable playing it slow and smart than having to take fast decisions. Also, mistakes taken in sc2 have way less punishment in the long run in comparison to a LoL match, so even if it's slower paced I feel it is way more enervating and tense.
They are both different games, maybe you like games with high APM and that's good, but compare LoL to Sc is like compare apples with oranges
Hahaha yeh glitter😂
@@el_mr6439 go away casual.
@@minityper you are saying that like being a casual is a bad thing
Well Played
Thankyou
@@beyondintervals6606 Thats you?
Wow, I'm amazed. It's almost like they are playing a totally different game.
Don't be fooled. APM = skill, don't let anybody tell you otherwise.
Wow, it's almost like they are comparing two different games.
@@snorkak143 yeah, imagine parts of your army randomly splitting off and running blindly into the enemy and after getting destroyed flaming you for not paying attention.
@@quantumastrologer5599 whats apm
@@quantumastrologer5599 yes. Sc2 is brutal
These games have the best korean pro-scenes
"My opinion is fact *pushes other opinions off" - Internet 2014
FrozenFlame reserve it also for 2015, 2016, etc.
man...
Still aplies....
@@vendokiabo it'll never stop applying as long as the internet exists
>everyone knows *this*, anon.
It’s the hearthstone noises in the background for me.
Master Race vs Peasants.
Clicking and hitting keys really fast means its better Kappa
Imagine comparing Starcraft to Stepmania on that basis lol.
BlackBlizzardAus
Isn't Stepmania approx. 200-220 APM?
SC would win that comparison quite easily Kappa
And a friend of mine told me that his platinum matches are too intense for him to play more than one in a row if he doesn't want to die at a heart attack
To be fair, this comment is valid for both games haha
SC2 for apming / brainpower
LoL for toxic team
typical youtube random video recommendations, just wasn't expecting the sweaty comment section...
Ey if you sweat for nothing in life are you even living my guy?
@@Jaime_Protein_Cannister Yes
I'm a master level Terran SC2 player, and have got platinum in LoL. This video is really funny though, made me laugh. Thing about LoL is that you have more time to rest your hands during a game, but games last a lot longer than SC2 games on average. In LoL bot lane game requires quite a lot of APM to play at a high level (it's like an intense micro battle throughout most of the game), and team fights need incredible reactions at the higher level. SC2 is more about multitasking, strategy, and high APM to keep all your production efficient, but it's less dependant on quick reactions than LoL.
Starcraft: brood war is the most impressive game APM-wise to watch though.
Say it again to that noob! SC2 was old 6 years ago and now is almost dead
@@sebastiedjuan7468 because kids don't want to play hard and complex games like Starcraft.
nope, LoL has no micro, you're just controlling one unit, nothing spectacular. Plus many champions have very easy point and click kits
"A lot of apm" yeah sure :D You are controlling a single unit. Spamming clicks isnt "a lot of apm". Pro SC2 players have an apm of 300+ and in MOBAs you need maybe around 100 apm even on pro level.
@@Ex0rz Feels like apm is the last thing starcraft players can say to praise their game.
Well you play and interesting game with new concepts? But does it have 300+ apm? No? Why the fuck would i play it then? I cant have fun if my left hand doesnt spasm out throughout the whole game like i have goddamn parkinsons.
The one playing Startcraft is evolving , he managed to form a sentence or at least he mumbled something. Love 😍 from Greece
THE BEST OF IT, IT IS THAT HE IS PLAYING PROTOSS XDDD
Imagine Serral
@Nazar Astanov gud old 1400 apm zerg
@@_tykee ain't that how you're supposed to play terran, anyways? Out of the three races, I find that terran is the one that leans towards harassment the most. Unless you play turtle mech, that is.
@@Chicopajiso I can see that, but Terran also can be a pretty 'passive' race (not Turtling, more head on engagements multiple times with maybe 1-2 minutes in between).
I personally prefer the Head on Engagement form of Terran, occasionally 'cheesing' by placing production structures closer via floating.
lol video games am i right?
The guy playing league was jungling... no duh he's not going to be have a high apm while doing red buff and wraiths.
And the guy playing starcraft was only macroing in the early game on two bases, ten minutes later he'll have a much higher APM
Shane Fagan Laning, I probably average around 3 clicks per second just for CSing, and harass much more than 3x a minute...
Alex Bradley You mouse click at an average of 180 apm? How is your mouse not dead yet?
Alex Bradley Bullshit!You got 4 skills 2 summoner's spells and an auto,you can't consistently spam everything.
I don't think you even know how much you click actually.
If you did that only with your mouse has you said then why do I see the LoL pro no doing that?Maybe because it is retarded and pointless?Maybe because LoL has no need for APM warmup because that will be as fast as you will be playing the whole game?
You want to defend LoL and you are just hurting it by spilling shit through your mouth that doesnt even make sense.
The difference being APM as a metric isn't worth much. Mutlitasking is basically an irrelevant concept in LoL as well. Multitasking is where high APM matters in Starcraft
I played DotA, but salute to StarCraft pro, y'all extremely good in macro.
Imagine a game which mecanichs are like those 2 games, players interact in various forms, ones like lol, others like starcraft, the lol ones wouldn't complaing about the starcraft mistakes bc his part is dificult, and the starcraft ones wouldn't complain bc the lol ones part is insignificant
this is why mobas took over the rts genre
No it isn't, team games are the reason these games got popular. SC2 is a very lonely game after a while. If you enjoy it that's fine, but most people also want to be able to play with friends, and SC2 never tried to do anything with their 2v2s and 3v3s. And even when you do play them, you're too focused on the game to interact that much. Imo that's the reason
@@numagonzalez5715 hmm everybody is flaming his teammates in league so not sure about that
@@affirazer Strangers yes, but most people I know that play league or come back to league, do it to play with one or a couple of friends. I'm not saying people are playing League to meet people xD
Yeah I think this may be why StarCraft 2 isn't the King like it used to be. They focused too hard on the competitive 1v1 stuff, and didn't leave enough for just casual people. It just drove the more casual audience away.
This is what I like about brood war. It has a nice big section dedicated to player made games. You could play a couple 3v3s, then maybe play some sunken d, then an FFA, and dozens of other games out there.
With sc2, atleast for a long time, all there was, was 1v1. They never incentivised team games, atleast from my memory, and the custom games section was/is kinda clunky and small. Now we got co-op mode, but it's not quite the same, and it hasn't really been updated in years now, besides minor balance tweaks.
@@lotgc Opposite. SC2 pandered to casuals more than brood war, combine it with blizzards terrible management of the esport scene and you understand why it died out.
LoL also panders to casuals but the game is mostly balanced around pro level and rito has been handling the scene exquisitely for the past 11 years.
Keep in mind, he is playing slow and plays Protoss.
If you watch Serral, Maru, Rogue or any other high tier top player, you will see a steady screen for maybe 0,3 -0,4 seconds.
In short: APM in Starcraft means something completly different than in LoL.
Sc is mostly a game of apm and shifting in plans, lol is mostly a game of timing and decisionmaking - both can hardly be compared
@@moskon95 Man, SC2 is really all amount timing, strategy and quick decision making. The difference is that under this is a large amount of mechanical skill driving it. The two games can be easily compared; LoL and SC2 share the same end game fundamental skills, with SC2 having a much higher degree of mechanical skill required. Games like LoL were literally born from custom scenarios in Warcraft, after all.
I disagree. While in my original comment i was not really precise with my language, i do not think that lol and SC2 share the same fundamental endgame skills, at least not to the same extent. Sure, both are strategy games that draw from the same pool of skills, so there is more comparability than with a cardgame for example.
As you rightfully said, Lol (and also Dota) originated from Warcraft. Warcraft is probably somewhere in between LOL and SC regarding the skills you need. While SC takes the makro from Warcraft and cranks it up to the max, LOL takes the mikro from Warcraft and cranks it up to the max. This does not mean that either SC or LOL is without mikro or makro gampelay respectively, it just means that both games focus on different aspects.
@@tree_eats
boringness vs AWESOMENESS
One is relaxing, the other is doing a ecercise while siting
The funny part is Starcraft is the relaxing one but the guy in the video is playing like hes in a tournament. LOL is online competition but Starcraft is offline relaxation (unless you choose the online mode)
And that person playing sc2 seems to be playing casually as well
Comparing Starcraft 2 with League of Legends is like comparing Quake with Mortal Kombat
Which one is which?
@@samk7717 sc2 would be quake and LoL would be mortal kombat
Why is everyone bitching? Both games are cool, and both can be simple or complex depending in the skill level of the player. Saying that APM equals complexity is like saying that OSU is more complex than chess. Why dont you just enjoy both games instead of blindly defend the one you like the most?
Exactly, but people want to believe whatever they want to believe just so they can feel superior about a game they play at probably a low level. Just sad
Haha he said that League is cool. I don't know what you find cool about an anime infested, pile of cancer and overloaded piece of shit champions but oke. Everybody has their own taste. But reality will always be reality. Meaning that League will always be dog shit.
Imagine you come back from work and you play star craft, literally why aren't you tired already
coke is hell of a drug my fren :D
@@hugepriapism3377 nobody plays starcraft on coke 😂😂😂
@@swag489 You are sorely mistaken.
@@avo616 ok crackhead
@@swag489 I've played video games on coke before. Why is that a crazy concept to you?
As someone who's played both, I'm just gonna' say that sure SC2 might require more strategy, but it's also more stressful if you wanna' be good. There is value to games that are more accessible to more friends and easier to experiment with and more diversity in selection. If I want to compete and win money, I play SC2 (I can make about 4-8K a year on SC2 as a side hussle). If I just want to have a casual time with friends, I play LoL (more friends play LoL and it's also fun to try using non-main champions).
Yeah, RTS generally has a large skill ceiling, no matter how much you simplify the mechanics. Forts RTS, Tooth and Tail, to name a few.
Generally if you want to have fun pvp rts experience, better to play with someone of very similar skill, or play against ai.
@pataponnabil So RTS is like boxing and MOBAs are like.. ping pong?
The SC2 player is playing protoss, so for any other race you just multiply his speed by 2
From what I see, he wasn't doing a lot of useful micro, most of his APM were actually wasted on spamming number keys.
While it may be true that people may want to keep their hands warmed up throughout the game, but I think that's just for like pro level play.
For guys playing in a free booth, I'm guessing that his APM will probably drop down significantly when battle actually happens.
@@dark3031 he's tapping to see if the productions buildings are actualy producing something, sending some things to scout and see what the terran is doing, puting a observer into position to see some attack early and in the last part he's producing units, there aren't so much useless movements here, but indeed the taping looks so much intimidating that it is. Is not a pro player thing. I'm in diamond 3 (a midde rank like platinum in league of legends) and have to do that too with zerg, these camera movements are called cycles and is a pretty fun thing to do when you get use to they.
Yea and high elo player in League looks way different to this 7 year old jungle camp clear rofl
I was initially confused about what this video was about.
Then I realised how incredibly hilarious the contras in intensity was between the two players/games.
Then after closely analysing what we see of the Protoss I realise that the only meaningful thing we see him do is move his observer twice and build a pylon & observer. The majority of the 'intensity' really comes from selecting of different control groups.
yeah it is still early game but many pros spam keys early on to warm up their hands in preparation for the mid to late game where they will have to go even faster and where every button press and click matters.
@@Michaelonyoutub Yeah, I know about the warm up thing but I don't think this guy is necessarily pro level. Although I can't see the timer or know what player it is I'm confident that (in the modern day, not 7 years ago), pros would not focus on warming up when on 2 base. Scouting around with their army, looking for opponents production or army movement would be more important than the excessive APM usage he does there. That said we still don't know if he was watching the minimap which would remove the scouting concern, or the potential fact that the meta was as such that he already know what was coming an thus did not care for further scouting, but either way I think that this isn't high level, at least compared to the modern pro player base.
yeah he had a robo already, that's not warmup time anymore
A wise man with the name of casually explained said there are 4 mode in starcraft
Easy, medium, hard and korean
Thank you, this made me laugh 😂
This korean jokes never get old, and the best thing is, they're not racist or something
Your wellcome
Lol Same shit in LOL, you biased fuckface
@@damontan4749 yeah but casually explained is in the context so no
I've had experience on both games and I have to say Starcraft 2 is harder you have to watch out for anything that's happening like literally anything else your gonna loose
Let's see the LoL player apm when he's typing in chat arguing, crying, flaming & complaining.
I am Starcraft master and all my friends are LoL playing and bronze. I will show them this video :D
we are all proud of you
It´s not about beeing master. My friends always tell me that LoL is a better and harder game T_T
Little Joshi
casual friends)
Alexander Semenov YES:)
Little Joshi Well your friends are completely biased and have no arguments. But looking at the video, the person was jungling. Of course it's not going to look interesting. Yes I know the starcraft game was also in it's early stages, but that doesn't necessarily show which game is better.
Competitive YGO: Whichever player topdecks better sets up his turn bringing 3-4 level 7 monsters on the field and sets 3 spell/traps. Ends his turn. The enemy surrenders.
People straight up leave at the first Saryuja summon knowing their chance to play cards is very slim.
Starcraft is the only game today that is really esports
Next video : League of Legend and Starcraft II vs skilled games
Isnt The sc2 a skilled game? Youre a gennius
Marcos Alvarez macros pls
Glioburd you're joking
What, like poker or something?
Don't feed the troll guys...he is just sad that all his hour in LoL would translate to absolutely nothing in SC2.
Also, macros?So you admit you cheat in LoL with macro keys to do what you cannot?I guess you are one to talk needing macros to compensate for your 15 apm skills.
The difference here is that in League you control one unit. In Starcraft, you control several dozen (or hundred if you're Zerg).
nordic fatcheese lol, in sc2 you control a massive army of zergs
Tristan Borie You're going to get wrecked if you build nothing but zerglings. For Zerg, you need a good mix of Anti Air units such as hydralisks (which often need to be split) and multiple spellcasters like Infestors or Vipers (which have as many active abilities as League champions). In addition, you have to look at your base and manage your production, upgrades, while occasionally scouting the enemy to see if you need to transition your gameplan to counter their build.
Biggest difficulty not in unit amount, but when you have different casters (like viper and corruptor) or when you need do combat trying to retreat some units to the back while not forgetting to continue get more units/upgrades/pylons/spread creep/inject larvas etc.
Or in battles with high templars vs ghosts, player who have better feedback vs emp skill get the upper hand.
All 3 races are challenging, while in league or dota there some difficult ones (like chen, invoker, meepo) and lot of primitive ones (like drow ranger, wraith king).... needless to say, 99% people play easy heroes and most difficult ones are least popular (yeah invoker is somewhat popular, but chen is not).. and then even with difficlt heroes it would be same as controlling army with multiple casters, but no macro.
Ah yes lets compare a moba: where you control one unit with 4 abilities at most plus or minus item actives and a full on rts: where you have to manage resource gathering, base building, dozens of units some with unique abilities plus a heavy rock paper scissors meta
I can feel your anger!
Don't go to the comment section, save yourself.
Its funny because the League player could hit mid diamond as Protoss with that apm.
+GeneralLee131 Funny this was said RIGHT before LOTV came out, where ZERG suddenly became super ez and destroy the fuck out of protoss in PvZ now.. lol
Also, can I see your Starcraft 2 account that's at least diamond, where u have extremely low APM as Protoss? I've gotta see this, if you really do claim Protoss is that skilless.
I play in high master and some protosses have around 100 apm ^^
@@DaLooseGoose11 Everyone that is acquainted with sc2 knows that protoss requires the least amount of apm.
if u had that much things to do...
Everybody seems to forget the guy off cam who's playing hearthstone, we can hear it in the back!
I played both games and am not really a fan of either tbh. LoL is indeed much easier than SC2 which is also why the player base for LoL is larger. New players can just start the game and feel good about their performance compared to SC2 which isn't that easy.
Not to mention LoL is free, which attracts players who want to and players who also don't want to try it... but do so because it is free.
Either way, just play the game you find most fun!
"New players can just start the game and feel good about their performance compared to SC2 which isn't that easy." This is exactly the reason why sc2 is better. Less children and other ethnic scum and higher skill cap - something to work for
napukapu I agree you feel much more accomplished after winning a game of SC2 than LoL mainly because it isn't a one time decision that you make throughout the game, or even 10s of decisions, but much more than that. (assuming it is a macro game)
Also I wouldn't necessarily say it makes it "better". It comes down to the definition of what makes it "better"? LoL can also be said to be "better" because of the lower learning curve thus concentrating on having fun rather than going through frustration and losses trying to learn the game.
Casual. If "fun" is hoping you don't match up with russians, brazilians, children or mentally handicapped people so that you even have a chance of winning without these idiots failing your game then I'll pass. LoL = 5 people trying to play as one, SC2 = One person trying to play as 5
@茨城でぃあ Hello fellow time traveler, I also come from the future. Blizzard has left us.
@@ancientmilk goddamn blizzard, look what they did to war3
Plot twist: the league player is Iron and the StarCraft player is randomly pressing keys in order to artificially increase APM.
there was no Iron back then
@@ruok3351Man, do I have to explain that it was a bad joke?
@@CalaTec yes
@@ruok3351 you are so cringe bro
@@nmisteli7385 explain
5years later but here I am! Well, one game requires a lot more mechanics and is a solo experience, while the other requires exponentially more game knowledge and is a team game on top of that. Its funny seeing people argue about it. The meme is pretty good tho.
Well no one with a working brain would ever play League of Casuals.
Or you can play both.
Go back to /v/ ya hipster elitist.
No one with a working brain would ever compare two completetly diffrent games, like RTS and MOBA....
Sean Snyder
Or you can play DotA
Prizes are so much bigger. If it's so easy to play LoL, how come the dozen or so SC2 pros that switched aren't dominating the game now?
SC2 is very hard
LoL is very easy....
강희택 thats why lol is so popular. The casuals love the easy.
coolertuep that's why hearthstone is so popular also :P
Da Cerebrus yeah^^
+강희택 its funny because over 85% of the LoL playerbase is silver or lower....yet everyone talks about how easy it is
dadevilboy1243 Even a video can show you how easy lol is... Too easy, i'm gold2 & i don't even know half the champions yet...Been playing for 2 months now. Well i remember it took me atleast 3years of no life gaming to get to 2k rating in WoW wotlk
As we all know, the quality of a game is linked to its APM
Ikr? Too weird that not many are pointing it out. That mentality is so widespread now, that i still play 10 year old games because all games nowadays are made to be 100% fast paced all the time until its a chaotic mess where theres no place for strategy.
SC = 200 Units
LoL = LoL... clic clic clic clic clic, go ahead, come back go ahead, come back, kill stupid minion, go ahead, como back, kill stupid minion
I think a mentally disabled could do a better comparision
he is doing the first jungle root...what ignorant people talks
sicerify isnt true?, clic clic clic clic clic clic, kill minion, go ahead, go back go ahead go back go ahead go back clic clic clic clic clic clic kill minion... ISNT TRUE?
MateriaGriz the join team fight, do the good combo, have a good positioning in the team fight, try to counter enemies. PLEASE SHUT UP!
Goskoron you sound like a Protoss player.