What about the *nitrogen* production problem? Mars has comparatively little of it, yet it not only makes up the majority of the air humans breathe, but is also needed to support plant life. Humans can't breathe pure oxygen. In fact, Earth's atmosphere is only 21% oxygen, with the majority of it being nitrogen. So many people try to ignore this fact because it means that colonizing Mars will require resources that Mars itself lacks.
You are so right, I need to research this. Rather than transferring resources, there should be bio-living beings that convert the oxygen they consume into nitrogen.
@@SimpArtificialintelligence - But how do you achieve that given that no organism that we know of can transmute *elements*, which generally requires some kind of nuclear process? Especially considering that unless we find a lot of shut-ins willing to live inside colonies they cannot leave without a spacesuit, we will need a *lot* of these elements to build up an atmosphere thick enough for humans. Then we still have to solve the problem of Mars lacking a global geomagnetic field. Which means that the atmosphere alone won't solve the radiation and charged particle problem. Mars is not a fixer upper. It's a rock that will need to be completely rebuilt. What too many people *think* they know about Mars comes from science fiction, not from science.
You're absolutely right that making Mars habitable is an enormous and complex challenge. However, this also highlights humanity's historical ability to tackle difficulties and achieve what once seemed impossible. While our current technology can't yet transmute elements or recreate a planetary magnetic field, that doesn’t mean it will always be beyond our reach. As science and engineering progress, we might find indirect but effective solutions to these problems. For example, creating an atmosphere using local resources on Mars, building underground habitats to shield against radiation, or developing artificial magnetic fields are all ideas being explored. It's true that Mars is uninhabitable in its current state, but that doesn't mean it should be dismissed as a goal altogether. Science fiction has often served as a source of inspiration and a spark for human imagination. Taking the idea of colonizing Mars seriously might not only help us reach that goal someday but could also lead to significant advancements in other areas of science and technology. After all, dreams often drive the engines of progress.
@@SimpArtificialintelligence - Real scientists (who aren't being paid to serve as PR spokesmen for Musk) tend to loudly argue that we get more value from sending robots to other planets and moons than we will from the *enormous* expense and risk of sending humans. Comparisons to human history of colonization on Earth are invalid. Everywhere on Earth is potentially habitable to humans because the elements we need are available globally. Heck, we tout colonial "heroes" for "settling" continents that other humans already lived on! Food, water, air and all of that were already there and did not need to be brought. Terraforming Mars is a project that would, at minimum, require *millennia* and would cost more money than the total GDP of the entire human species! Who is going to provide all that money to do this? It would literally require shifting our global industrial base towards only one goal - developing things needed for Mars. We would most likely need to solve the nitrogen shortage by hauling the stuff in from the outer solar system where it can be found in solid or liquid form. Musk is selling *lies* to the public because the money he gets from the government helps make *him* richer. That is literally all that this is really about.
The critique you've presented raises valid concerns about the practicality and ethics of colonizing Mars. It’s true that sending humans to another planet, especially one as hostile as Mars, comes with immense challenges, astronomical costs, and significant risks. Robots, which can operate without life support systems and are far less costly to send, offer an efficient way to explore, gather data, and advance our understanding of other planets and moons. Their value in planetary exploration is undeniable and has been proven repeatedly through missions like the Mars rovers and probes sent to distant moons. The comparison between space colonization and historical colonization on Earth is, as you pointed out, fundamentally flawed. Earth's colonization involved environments where the basic building blocks of human survival-air, water, and food-were readily available, even if exploitation and conflict often accompanied these endeavors. Mars, in stark contrast, offers none of these elements in a form usable by humans without significant technological intervention. Even the idea of "settling" on Mars requires not just survival but the engineering of an entirely artificial environment, which is unprecedented in scale and complexity. The technical hurdles of terraforming Mars are enormous. Creating a breathable atmosphere, resolving the nitrogen deficiency, protecting against radiation due to the lack of a magnetic field, and ensuring a sustainable water cycle are challenges that would take centuries, if not millennia, to address. As you mentioned, the financial cost is staggering-potentially exceeding the combined GDP of the entire world. It’s not just about money, though. Diverting such vast resources to Mars colonization could mean neglecting urgent problems on Earth, like climate change, global inequality, or healthcare. The criticism directed at Elon Musk and his Mars vision is also worth considering. There’s no denying Musk's talent for innovation and his ability to inspire people to dream big. However, it’s equally important to critically evaluate the feasibility and motivations behind his plans. Space exploration and colonization should not become a vehicle for personal enrichment or a distraction from pressing Earth-bound issues. If public funds are being used, then transparency, accountability, and a clear understanding of the benefits for humanity are necessary. At the same time, we should recognize the importance of pushing boundaries in science and technology. Ambitious goals, even if seemingly unattainable today, have historically driven humanity to achieve incredible advancements. The dream of Mars colonization might inspire new technologies that could benefit Earth, such as breakthroughs in sustainable energy, resource management, or life-support systems. In summary, while the concerns you’ve raised are valid and deserve careful consideration, the broader debate over Mars colonization isn’t just about one person or one plan. It’s about balancing ambition with practicality, ensuring ethical and equitable use of resources, and keeping our focus on what benefits humanity as a whole-both on Earth and beyond.
There are vast reserves of water ice and maybe even subsurface liquid water on Mars. Why would they not simply use solar or nuclear-powered electrolysis to split water into oxygen and hydrogen?
Plants under a dome powered (heated) with a nuclear reactor would generate oxygen and grow food. Then regulate carbon dioxide into the dome and output oxygen. There would have to be huge areas. I think it would work well over time.
This idea is also very good and this is one of the plans. However, since it would take a very long time, there is also the possibility of creating an atmosphere like a chain reaction by chemically reacting the elements available on Mars.
@@andreypopov6958 I don't think any trees found on Earth could survive the cold temperatures of Mars. They'd need to be grown in an enclosed structure, like glass dome. Sounds simple enough, but there's a snag. Large trees produce more oxygen than small saplings. It would take about 7 trees to provide enough oxygen for one person for one year. Also keep in mind that you can't live by just breathing pure oxygen. You need other elements as well to survive. Most of the air on Earth is nitrogen (78%). Trees also need water and nutrients to survive. Water would need to be extracted and purified from underground ice, and Mars isn't likely to have the right nutrients for trees to survive. Trees consume large amounts of water.
@@simbarashekunedzimwe1372 only reason people didnt stay on the moon for a long time is no incentive to do so, but now we know that the moon has gigatons of metals and infinite solar power
@@anekdoche7055 Another reason NASA didn't go continuously to the Moon is the prohibitive expense of the Apollo missions. Apollo made lunar travel _possible;_ we still have to make it _practical._
The remainder of the most of human life can be gone to Mars, the Moon or anywhere else in space as far as I care. The sooner these dreamers leave the sooner the earth will start restoring the planet, ridding itself of the unnatural human population, the Earth changers, the destroyers and allowing mankind to develop into hopefully something more like the creator meant him to be.
The reason there is no or very limited atmosphere is because of the solar radiation and a lack of a magnetic field. It gets blown off into space.
The radiation problem is even bigger than the oxygen/breathing problem!
Elons robots will make this a reality. He has some really awesome hands on them now. They work real well.
I'm like you. I think robots will prepare that place for humanity.
This film flam man, like so many before him, cannot live long enough to accomplish a base on Mars and he knows it.
There is only 13% oxygen on Mars on earth is21% there's not enough oxygen for humans!!!!
Why occupy Mars? It already has no trees, no grass, no animals, our job is done……..
What about the *nitrogen* production problem? Mars has comparatively little of it, yet it not only makes up the majority of the air humans breathe, but is also needed to support plant life. Humans can't breathe pure oxygen. In fact, Earth's atmosphere is only 21% oxygen, with the majority of it being nitrogen. So many people try to ignore this fact because it means that colonizing Mars will require resources that Mars itself lacks.
You are so right, I need to research this. Rather than transferring resources, there should be bio-living beings that convert the oxygen they consume into nitrogen.
@@SimpArtificialintelligence - But how do you achieve that given that no organism that we know of can transmute *elements*, which generally requires some kind of nuclear process? Especially considering that unless we find a lot of shut-ins willing to live inside colonies they cannot leave without a spacesuit, we will need a *lot* of these elements to build up an atmosphere thick enough for humans. Then we still have to solve the problem of Mars lacking a global geomagnetic field. Which means that the atmosphere alone won't solve the radiation and charged particle problem.
Mars is not a fixer upper. It's a rock that will need to be completely rebuilt. What too many people *think* they know about Mars comes from science fiction, not from science.
You're absolutely right that making Mars habitable is an enormous and complex challenge. However, this also highlights humanity's historical ability to tackle difficulties and achieve what once seemed impossible. While our current technology can't yet transmute elements or recreate a planetary magnetic field, that doesn’t mean it will always be beyond our reach.
As science and engineering progress, we might find indirect but effective solutions to these problems. For example, creating an atmosphere using local resources on Mars, building underground habitats to shield against radiation, or developing artificial magnetic fields are all ideas being explored.
It's true that Mars is uninhabitable in its current state, but that doesn't mean it should be dismissed as a goal altogether. Science fiction has often served as a source of inspiration and a spark for human imagination. Taking the idea of colonizing Mars seriously might not only help us reach that goal someday but could also lead to significant advancements in other areas of science and technology. After all, dreams often drive the engines of progress.
@@SimpArtificialintelligence - Real scientists (who aren't being paid to serve as PR spokesmen for Musk) tend to loudly argue that we get more value from sending robots to other planets and moons than we will from the *enormous* expense and risk of sending humans.
Comparisons to human history of colonization on Earth are invalid. Everywhere on Earth is potentially habitable to humans because the elements we need are available globally. Heck, we tout colonial "heroes" for "settling" continents that other humans already lived on! Food, water, air and all of that were already there and did not need to be brought.
Terraforming Mars is a project that would, at minimum, require *millennia* and would cost more money than the total GDP of the entire human species! Who is going to provide all that money to do this? It would literally require shifting our global industrial base towards only one goal - developing things needed for Mars. We would most likely need to solve the nitrogen shortage by hauling the stuff in from the outer solar system where it can be found in solid or liquid form.
Musk is selling *lies* to the public because the money he gets from the government helps make *him* richer. That is literally all that this is really about.
The critique you've presented raises valid concerns about the practicality and ethics of colonizing Mars. It’s true that sending humans to another planet, especially one as hostile as Mars, comes with immense challenges, astronomical costs, and significant risks. Robots, which can operate without life support systems and are far less costly to send, offer an efficient way to explore, gather data, and advance our understanding of other planets and moons. Their value in planetary exploration is undeniable and has been proven repeatedly through missions like the Mars rovers and probes sent to distant moons.
The comparison between space colonization and historical colonization on Earth is, as you pointed out, fundamentally flawed. Earth's colonization involved environments where the basic building blocks of human survival-air, water, and food-were readily available, even if exploitation and conflict often accompanied these endeavors. Mars, in stark contrast, offers none of these elements in a form usable by humans without significant technological intervention. Even the idea of "settling" on Mars requires not just survival but the engineering of an entirely artificial environment, which is unprecedented in scale and complexity.
The technical hurdles of terraforming Mars are enormous. Creating a breathable atmosphere, resolving the nitrogen deficiency, protecting against radiation due to the lack of a magnetic field, and ensuring a sustainable water cycle are challenges that would take centuries, if not millennia, to address. As you mentioned, the financial cost is staggering-potentially exceeding the combined GDP of the entire world. It’s not just about money, though. Diverting such vast resources to Mars colonization could mean neglecting urgent problems on Earth, like climate change, global inequality, or healthcare.
The criticism directed at Elon Musk and his Mars vision is also worth considering. There’s no denying Musk's talent for innovation and his ability to inspire people to dream big. However, it’s equally important to critically evaluate the feasibility and motivations behind his plans. Space exploration and colonization should not become a vehicle for personal enrichment or a distraction from pressing Earth-bound issues. If public funds are being used, then transparency, accountability, and a clear understanding of the benefits for humanity are necessary.
At the same time, we should recognize the importance of pushing boundaries in science and technology. Ambitious goals, even if seemingly unattainable today, have historically driven humanity to achieve incredible advancements. The dream of Mars colonization might inspire new technologies that could benefit Earth, such as breakthroughs in sustainable energy, resource management, or life-support systems.
In summary, while the concerns you’ve raised are valid and deserve careful consideration, the broader debate over Mars colonization isn’t just about one person or one plan. It’s about balancing ambition with practicality, ensuring ethical and equitable use of resources, and keeping our focus on what benefits humanity as a whole-both on Earth and beyond.
There are vast reserves of water ice and maybe even subsurface liquid water on Mars. Why would they not simply use solar or nuclear-powered electrolysis to split water into oxygen and hydrogen?
I am writing from space x, come and start work tomorrow
Background noise is stupid, distracting!
I'm sorry, where exactly is the video? Can you inform me, I'm trying to fix it.
Plants under a dome powered (heated) with a nuclear reactor would generate oxygen and grow food. Then regulate carbon dioxide into the dome and output oxygen. There would have to be huge areas. I think it would work well over time.
This idea is also very good and this is one of the plans. However, since it would take a very long time, there is also the possibility of creating an atmosphere like a chain reaction by chemically reacting the elements available on Mars.
most likely, food can’t be eaten, it will be radioactive, but the trees can be grown to produce oxygen
@@andreypopov6958 I don't think any trees found on Earth could survive the cold temperatures of Mars. They'd need to be grown in an enclosed structure, like glass dome. Sounds simple enough, but there's a snag. Large trees produce more oxygen than small saplings. It would take about 7 trees to provide enough oxygen for one person for one year. Also keep in mind that you can't live by just breathing pure oxygen. You need other elements as well to survive. Most of the air on Earth is nitrogen (78%). Trees also need water and nutrients to survive. Water would need to be extracted and purified from underground ice, and Mars isn't likely to have the right nutrients for trees to survive. Trees consume large amounts of water.
Except for the need for nitrogen, which Mars lacks, and which would require fusion reactors (which we don't have) in order to make.
@@daniels7907 Electricity can be obtained from orbit
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Float balloons with ozone machines to create gobal warming and a atmosphere
Your species human doesn't get it . We're here to protect life and the planet but they are too many human
Mars needs to be hit by a big watery comet.
The comets that have been tested so far have a different heavy water than what is on earth. Maybe water from space can be extracted somehow.
There is actually a huge amount of water on Mars, but it is frozen. They are trying to create an atmosphere so that the ice can warm up and melt.
Need cyborg to live there.. human can’t
Imagine being able to photosynthesize with a device attached to humans
Also no life on Mars period 😭 occupy Mars is a big no no!
Occupying Mars won't happen.
Yea people have said that about flying once, look where we are now.
@Ttasci03 First go to the moon.
@@simbarashekunedzimwe1372 only reason people didnt stay on the moon for a long time is no incentive to do so, but now we know that the moon has gigatons of metals and infinite solar power
@@anekdoche7055 You seriously think humans went there?
@@anekdoche7055 Another reason NASA didn't go continuously to the Moon is the prohibitive expense of the Apollo missions. Apollo made lunar travel _possible;_ we still have to make it _practical._
With your nuclear 😂😂can make it together 🎀😎
The remainder of the most of human life can be gone to Mars, the Moon or anywhere else in space as far as I care. The sooner these dreamers leave the sooner the earth will start restoring the planet, ridding itself of the unnatural human population, the Earth changers, the destroyers and allowing mankind to develop into hopefully something more like the creator meant him to be.
You are amazing :) Instead of spoiling the world and looking for other worlds, it would be best not to spoil the world.