I am a retired Senior air traffic controller n watching this video from Mombasa, kenya 🇰🇪, East Africa.My accolades goes to the Pilots n the Controllers for the exemplary job during that time of emergency.
@@CraftAero when they say "navigation" they mean GPS, Radar vectoring, etc. They aren't talking about the compass on board which is an old school floating ball compass.
So continental’s did too by sheer coincidence, or just United United’s? Edit, a little research told be that CO only had 200’s, since retired, and UA only has 300’s (this being one of them apparently) that were always theirs, but the question still stands.
I'm not familiar with a 767 avionics suite, but generally loss of nav means loss of the Flight Management System (FMS) computer. It would be nearly impossible for an aircraft to lose inertial/mag heading at the same time they lose FMS without a total loss of power as they use completely different systems and technologies.
Sounds like a FMC issue. These days, loss of navigation mid-atlantic would be highly inconvenient, but not horrifying. They could rely on their tablets and even phone apps, along with their compass and magnetometer assisted heading indicator, to get somewhere safe.
I wonder what was lost. Was it the FMS? INS? VOR? GPS? being able to still fly magnetic headings is possible as all FMSs have magnetic compasses as the last resort.
Sure better when you're in the Jersey S hole, than halfway to the UK. I'll never get over how calm pilots are on the outside. It truly takes a special breed.
They know they have to sound calm because of channels such as this, plus any emergency landing will be filmed by the majority of the passengers as well, so being a good actor is now a requirement for your average pilot.
@@theHDRflightdeck - unfortunately not. It is something that has come up during sims recently, whereby we need to watch what we say and how we say it. This channel shows exactly why pilots need to stay calm, be to the point and not let emotions get in the way of their work.
@@theHDRflightdeck - it isn’t the sole purpose, but it is still a consideration. Airlines are very sensitive to their online presence in these modern times. Anything that makes the airline look bad, in the eyes of the public, risks damaging the business. I was talking to a pilot the other week who was dead heading on a flight. The operating captain received a message from company HQ telling him that an “influencer” on board was live streaming the flight and complaining about their IFE not working. The cabin supervisor asked the deadheading guy to swap seats. Some how the airline was monitoring social media and found about about the negative review being live streamed. Obviously not an example of clear communication, but it shows that this airline is very sensitive to social media output that is negative to the airline, and tis will extend to pilots communication skills.
United One. Slip of the tongue. Mistake. Remove Carolyn Beasette PRECISION! I’d rather have Ab and Oskar on 9/30 failure of navigation systems. I know how I raised my Daughters Moral Compass and Sarah as well. And Kathy and Hannah who turns 30 today. PRECISION brethren! #FreeMasonry this kind of application. Upon the Economy is fool hearted!
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I love hearing such calm, attentive and helpful controllers. Great job by all!
Nicely done by ATC in that busy airspace
It's amazing how two pilots and three controllers smoothly hand off what had to be a tense situation.
I am a retired Senior air traffic controller n watching this video from Mombasa, kenya 🇰🇪, East Africa.My accolades goes to the Pilots n the Controllers for the exemplary job during that time of emergency.
Don't know if it is possible, but it would be nice to see a clock of the time of events as they happened.
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well done, excellent comms, thank you!
"We have no navigation"
"Roger, fly heading 065"
"OK" 😎
This is why they have 'standby' instruments like compass etc.
@@IceColdGeico Compass... ie. navigational equipment ?
@@CraftAero when they say "navigation" they mean GPS, Radar vectoring, etc. They aren't talking about the compass on board which is an old school floating ball compass.
Can always fall back on the good old wet compass but wouldn't want to rely solely on that in a commercial airliner.
Not all 767s have fuel dumping. United spec’d that in its models.
So continental’s did too by sheer coincidence, or just United United’s?
Edit, a little research told be that CO only had 200’s, since retired, and UA only has 300’s (this being one of them apparently) that were always theirs, but the question still stands.
That’s what I was thinking.
I can confirm. I identify as a 767
I'd love to know what the cause was of the loss of navigation. I assume they could still receive navaids but did not have RNAV capability.
Who remembers The Bob Newhart Show? Hi Bob. His neighbour Howard Borden was an airline navigator. They could use him.
So, two airplanes lose all nav, etc. in the NYC in recent weeks. Odd.
I thought the same.
I need that first pilot to narrate an audio book or something.
We've lost all navigation, okay turn heading 065...................................lol, yes, we understand, but it's still pretty remarkable!
I'm not familiar with a 767 avionics suite, but generally loss of nav means loss of the Flight Management System (FMS) computer. It would be nearly impossible for an aircraft to lose inertial/mag heading at the same time they lose FMS without a total loss of power as they use completely different systems and technologies.
They didn’t loose their heading indicator.
you know you watch to many of these, when you have heard the same controller
Yes, but did they paint an elementary school?
Is concerning when all navigation is lost. How does that happen ? Consequences of losing navigation mid-atlantic is horrifying.
That's why they put Polaris way up there ;)
Sounds like a FMC issue. These days, loss of navigation mid-atlantic would be highly inconvenient, but not horrifying. They could rely on their tablets and even phone apps, along with their compass and magnetometer assisted heading indicator, to get somewhere safe.
@@alexmiller7721 that's the one Santa follows to get home at the North Pole?
Sounds like they didn't put the IRSs in NAV during preflight or moved before they alligned, or someone turned them to ATT REF inflight.
I wonder what was lost.
Was it the FMS? INS? VOR? GPS? being able to still fly magnetic headings is possible as all FMSs have magnetic compasses as the last resort.
Sure better when you're in the Jersey S hole, than halfway to the UK. I'll never get over how calm pilots are on the outside. It truly takes a special breed.
They know they have to sound calm because of channels such as this, plus any emergency landing will be filmed by the majority of the passengers as well, so being a good actor is now a requirement for your average pilot.
@@EdOeuna i do hope you are joking..
@@theHDRflightdeck - unfortunately not. It is something that has come up during sims recently, whereby we need to watch what we say and how we say it. This channel shows exactly why pilots need to stay calm, be to the point and not let emotions get in the way of their work.
@@EdOeuna The reason to be calm and collected is NOT for the sake of social media!
@@theHDRflightdeck - it isn’t the sole purpose, but it is still a consideration. Airlines are very sensitive to their online presence in these modern times. Anything that makes the airline look bad, in the eyes of the public, risks damaging the business.
I was talking to a pilot the other week who was dead heading on a flight. The operating captain received a message from company HQ telling him that an “influencer” on board was live streaming the flight and complaining about their IFE not working. The cabin supervisor asked the deadheading guy to swap seats. Some how the airline was monitoring social media and found about about the negative review being live streamed. Obviously not an example of clear communication, but it shows that this airline is very sensitive to social media output that is negative to the airline, and tis will extend to pilots communication skills.
Second aircraft that lost all nav in the last two weeks from JFK. Hmm
With gas prices today I could use some of that fuel ⛽️ 😄
Just a joke.
A bit of French accent on the other pilot 😊
Quebecois?
United's 767-300's are 30 year old junkers
United One. Slip of the tongue. Mistake. Remove Carolyn Beasette PRECISION! I’d rather have Ab and Oskar on 9/30 failure of navigation systems. I know how I raised my Daughters Moral Compass and Sarah as well. And Kathy and Hannah who turns 30 today. PRECISION brethren! #FreeMasonry this kind of application. Upon the Economy is fool hearted!
@oprah @michelleobama
I thought for sure they wouldn't make it because they never said the magic word.
This is UAL 940 not UAL 763
Flight UAL940, Aircraft type Boeing 767-300, B763.
Clearly someone doesn't realise that 763 means Boeing 767-300
Use the NDB!
Go direct to PNJ, then track the MB to EWR!!!!
Not all 767s have NDB receivers.
@@JohnSmith-zi9or Most current Pilots can't navigate using an NDB!
You know what humor is?
home into that baby