Hi Dave, thankyou so much for the sub. But I must say that Elderslie Bridge TMD isn't my layout. That is the layout that my 37 was sent for her overhaul. Thanks Will
Hi, just subscribed to your channel as it came up on my TH-cam feed which it hasn’t before. Really nice layout and thoroughly enjoyed you update. Like the current setup with your Z21, it’s how I’m going to run mine but I can understand why you’re going for automation. Cheers for now, John
What a nice layout. You have given me some good ideas for my rail layout. My first visit to your cannel but I will be returning. Thanks Regards Alan in the loft :o)
Really enjoyed your update. Great inspiration. Really like the look of the countryside section - nice and uncluttered. Catenary very effective. Fabulous lighting contrasts at the very end, looks great. Steam loco sounds great. Cheers. Vivian
For catenary masts you normally place them in a staggered formation so that the contact wire zig zags. On curves the outermost track has the short cantilever armed masts whilst the inside curve has the longer armed cantilever masts, you need to adjust this depending on the direction of the curve. So you might want to readjust your masts so they are correct before the whole of TH-cam points it out 😂. In areas where multiple tracks occur like in station areas, lattice gantry masts are used, especially in Series 1 OHLE as seen on the GWML although nearer London an earlier scheme to electrify Heathrow saw Mk3b OHLE installed and therefore multiple track sections used headspan masts. I hope this helps. 👍
Great update👍 I’m not sure what the highlight is for me? Class 60 VTG tanker train was until I saw Tornado! She was until recently my only steam loco too, so I always enjoy watching her on the mainline. The Scenic section looks impressive & the catenary looks the part, I’m quite jealous you have real sunlight, natural light is a blessing if not just for the shadows..... I’m looking for ward to seeing more👀 Cheers John b
Cheers John, glad you liked the update. The real sunlight can often be a pain, especially when trying to film but shouldn’t complain about any sunshine we get in this country! 😂
@@GoodfordModelRailway that is the correct answer! I’m a WCML driver so see it daily! On bends it’s pretty much whatever to make it stay in line but on straights it zigzags to even the wear
On the corners, the wire is fixed towards the outside of the bend, and the wire goes straight to the next post in the curve. The wire going straight to the next post, doesn't follow the curve and so this gives you a zig zag. Using the Dapol Masts, Short ones on the outside of the curves and long ones on the inside.
@@Vonzack as a WCML driver I can tell you that isn’t quite correct! You are right with keeping to outside of curve to create the zigzag but masts are what is required to suite the exact location
@@Cheadleridgelanetmd I wasn't calling you on this, just trying to provide the background of what's done for GMR to model. In real life I guess it will depend on allot of other factors
This layout is beautiful now, but when you're "finished" (layouts are never "finished") it's going to be absolutely STUNNING! What are the dimensions of your layout? Quite impressive indeed!
Wow, what a humbling compliment, I truly hope it will become a stunning layout, lots more to learn to get there though and I’m sure I’ll continue to enjoy the journey. The dimensions of the layout are 19’ x 12’ roughly, the previous video was a walk around tour if you’re interested. 😀
As a former modeller of the European (continental) scene, I'd strongly suggest you skip the wire altogether as long as your pantographs are able to not snag the catenary poles (don't ask me how I learnt that). When I could only do DC, the catenary wires were handy for running two trains at the same time, but the cost, effort of installation, and the thickness of the wire were a constant maintenance challenge. If I ever go back to the European scene I'll probably have catenary poles but no wires--which will make it easier to reach cars--and let DCC handle what the wires originally did.
Thanks! Yes, I’m using the Roco Z21 black controller. Was a little ropey a couple of months ago after one of their firmware updates seemed to break everything, all fixed now though and would highly recommend 👍
Hi Just found your channel, great layout, very impressive. I have dabbled a bit in block detection, there are a couple of videos on my channel you may find useful. Cheers Reggie
Your layout looks impressive. Regarding the use of wires on the Dapol OHL, I have used these with the wires that Dapol also provide. If you plan out the spacing these can be fixed quickly & easily. I think there were a few different lengths available if my memory is correct. You can see these in the foreground of my attached video. th-cam.com/video/eOPdMu_DJeI/w-d-xo.html
To be honest, when I first looked at the clip you kindly shared, I couldn’t see the wires. I think I’ll give it a few months as it is now and consider the wires again after I’ve done the bulk scenery and tried to get my head around the block detection and automation. Really appreciate the feedback and suggestion 👍
y dont you try train controller it is better than itrain i no it is dearer but it is a lot better than itrain i have both but train controller is a lot better and it works with the z21 which is one off the systems that i have at the moment i am using the ecos system now
Thanks for the feedback. The conclusion I came to today was to use the 2 month trial of itrain to try and get my head around the functionality I need to achieve what I want to do so I can work out what level of each software may be required as there seems to be vast differences in prices of the levels of train controller and the most expensive package is twice the cost of itrain. Have you experienced using both packages?
Automation is something that needs to be planed well, retrofitting block detection to a layout can be difficult. As to software that is a topic in itself. And something off here that really needs to give it justice. I have used both programs, at present I’m developing ITrain , but use Traincontroller at the moment. At a basic level there is not much between them but when you drill down to advanced features Traincontroller is better. But as you found it’s cost now is ridiculous. There are plus and minus points to both programs, personally TC has the edge as it’s been around longer and from a novice aspect is more intuitive to learne. As I said this is something that needs a more one to one conversation
@@Llamberg.Railway really appreciate you taking the time to comment on this and as you say, it’s a big topic of conversation in itself. The automation project has been put on hold for the time being and I’m going to spend more time trying to get the scenery to a stage of no baseboard on show for the foreseeable. Maybe Goodford MK4 will be planned with block detection and automation in mind from the offset…
Although I said it can be difficult to retro fit, I should of added not impossible. Personally I would fit it to the current layout if your going to build another mk4 as your find your mistakes you make and how you can do things better next time
Hi Dave, thankyou so much for the sub. But I must say that Elderslie Bridge TMD isn't my layout. That is the layout that my 37 was sent for her overhaul. Thanks Will
Then you have to share some shots of the 37 on your layout 😀
@@GoodfordModelRailway its not ready yet 😉
@@wellsendtmd look forward to seeing it when it is ready 👍
@@GoodfordModelRailway thanks Dave much appreciated for your heart warning comments. Mansel Road TMD will be ready soon
Layout is really coming along thanks for the update 👍
Very nice layout, although I don't know much (if anything) about British railway, this looks pretty authentic to me.
Hi, just subscribed to your channel as it came up on my TH-cam feed which it hasn’t before. Really nice layout and thoroughly enjoyed you update. Like the current setup with your Z21, it’s how I’m going to run mine but I can understand why you’re going for automation. Cheers for now, John
What an amazing layout looks really good. Well done on your progress
Just subscribed ,looks great ,really captured the line ,superb work
Hello. Another Great Update. Your Layout Is Looking Excellent. Take Care. Cheers Andy.
The layout is looking great, really enjoy watching the progress.
Fabulous ! 😊
What a nice layout. You have given me some good ideas for my rail layout. My first visit to your cannel but I will be returning. Thanks Regards Alan in the loft :o)
Brilliant update, layouts looking so good each time I see it, thanks for sharing, cheers Darrell
Appreciate your feedback and support, as always 👍
Really enjoyed your update. Great inspiration. Really like the look of the countryside section - nice and uncluttered. Catenary very effective. Fabulous lighting contrasts at the very end, looks great. Steam loco sounds great. Cheers. Vivian
Hi a nice and interesting layout update, thanks for sharing! Cheers Gary
For catenary masts you normally place them in a staggered formation so that the contact wire zig zags. On curves the outermost track has the short cantilever armed masts whilst the inside curve has the longer armed cantilever masts, you need to adjust this depending on the direction of the curve. So you might want to readjust your masts so they are correct before the whole of TH-cam points it out 😂.
In areas where multiple tracks occur like in station areas, lattice gantry masts are used, especially in Series 1 OHLE as seen on the GWML although nearer London an earlier scheme to electrify Heathrow saw Mk3b OHLE installed and therefore multiple track sections used headspan masts.
I hope this helps. 👍
Thanks very much for your feedback, this layout is no longer and the new Goodford is well underway. Cheers, Dave
Great video, nice to see your progress on the layout
Great update👍
I’m not sure what the highlight is for me? Class 60 VTG tanker train was until I saw Tornado!
She was until recently my only steam loco too, so I always enjoy watching her on the mainline.
The Scenic section looks impressive & the catenary looks the part, I’m quite jealous you have real sunlight, natural light is a blessing if not just for the shadows.....
I’m looking for ward to seeing more👀
Cheers John b
Cheers John, glad you liked the update. The real sunlight can often be a pain, especially when trying to film but shouldn’t complain about any sunshine we get in this country! 😂
Don't put wires up , just watching the train bending round the curve's, it looks very real, uncluttered, well done.
Brill scenery 👍👍
Fantastic layout and update fella, I’m new to your channel, liked and subscribe.
The masts are designed to zigzag the wires! It goes long short long short etc on corners they use what’s needed 😊
Thanks! Now you’ve said it, that makes perfect sense, guess it prevents continuous wear on one part of the pantograph too 👍
@@GoodfordModelRailway that is the correct answer! I’m a WCML driver so see it daily! On bends it’s pretty much whatever to make it stay in line but on straights it zigzags to even the wear
On the corners, the wire is fixed towards the outside of the bend, and the wire goes straight to the next post in the curve. The wire going straight to the next post, doesn't follow the curve and so this gives you a zig zag.
Using the Dapol Masts, Short ones on the outside of the curves and long ones on the inside.
@@Vonzack as a WCML driver I can tell you that isn’t quite correct! You are right with keeping to outside of curve to create the zigzag but masts are what is required to suite the exact location
@@Cheadleridgelanetmd I wasn't calling you on this, just trying to provide the background of what's done for GMR to model. In real life I guess it will depend on allot of other factors
This layout is beautiful now, but when you're "finished" (layouts are never "finished") it's going to be absolutely STUNNING! What are the dimensions of your layout? Quite impressive indeed!
Wow, what a humbling compliment, I truly hope it will become a stunning layout, lots more to learn to get there though and I’m sure I’ll continue to enjoy the journey. The dimensions of the layout are 19’ x 12’ roughly, the previous video was a walk around tour if you’re interested. 😀
As a former modeller of the European (continental) scene, I'd strongly suggest you skip the wire altogether as long as your pantographs are able to not snag the catenary poles (don't ask me how I learnt that). When I could only do DC, the catenary wires were handy for running two trains at the same time, but the cost, effort of installation, and the thickness of the wire were a constant maintenance challenge. If I ever go back to the European scene I'll probably have catenary poles but no wires--which will make it easier to reach cars--and let DCC handle what the wires originally did.
Appreciate the feedback, thanks very much.
Nice layout mate, are you using Z21 controller
Thanks! Yes, I’m using the Roco Z21 black controller. Was a little ropey a couple of months ago after one of their firmware updates seemed to break everything, all fixed now though and would highly recommend 👍
@@GoodfordModelRailway i was using Railmaster and switched to that last year, what a big difference
Hi Just found your channel, great layout, very impressive. I have dabbled a bit in block detection, there are a couple of videos on my channel you may find useful. Cheers Reggie
Your layout looks impressive. Regarding the use of wires on the Dapol OHL, I have used these with the wires that Dapol also provide. If you plan out the spacing these can be fixed quickly & easily. I think there were a few different lengths available if my memory is correct. You can see these in the foreground of my attached video. th-cam.com/video/eOPdMu_DJeI/w-d-xo.html
To be honest, when I first looked at the clip you kindly shared, I couldn’t see the wires. I think I’ll give it a few months as it is now and consider the wires again after I’ve done the bulk scenery and tried to get my head around the block detection and automation. Really appreciate the feedback and suggestion 👍
y dont you try train controller it is better than itrain i no it is dearer but it is a lot better than itrain i have both but train controller is a lot better and it works with the z21 which is one off the systems that i have at the moment i am using the ecos system now
Thanks for the feedback. The conclusion I came to today was to use the 2 month trial of itrain to try and get my head around the functionality I need to achieve what I want to do so I can work out what level of each software may be required as there seems to be vast differences in prices of the levels of train controller and the most expensive package is twice the cost of itrain. Have you experienced using both packages?
Automation is something that needs to be planed well, retrofitting block detection to a layout can be difficult. As to software that is a topic in itself. And something off here that really needs to give it justice. I have used both programs, at present I’m developing ITrain , but use Traincontroller at the moment. At a basic level there is not much between them but when you drill down to advanced features Traincontroller is better. But as you found it’s cost now is ridiculous. There are plus and minus points to both programs, personally TC has the edge as it’s been around longer and from a novice aspect is more intuitive to learne. As I said this is something that needs a more one to one conversation
@@Llamberg.Railway really appreciate you taking the time to comment on this and as you say, it’s a big topic of conversation in itself. The automation project has been put on hold for the time being and I’m going to spend more time trying to get the scenery to a stage of no baseboard on show for the foreseeable. Maybe Goodford MK4 will be planned with block detection and automation in mind from the offset…
Although I said it can be difficult to retro fit, I should of added not impossible. Personally I would fit it to the current layout if your going to build another mk4 as your find your mistakes you make and how you can do things better next time