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Loved the run to the plane, we just had our first experience in a airport lounge and did it in style we had to run and almost missed our flight! Which would have been sad because we had tickets to the World Series
you are so right!! I know it's a daily drop video, but I loved it for the old school kara and nate feel!! I know their channel has grown a lot from when I first started watching around 400k subscribers, so style has changed to keep up with trends and appealing to broader audiences, but I love when we get videos like this!!!
I did this business class trip from Vancouver to Auckland - it was like a fun sleep over with strangers. We all became friendly. And the food was great - best ice cream in the air ever!
I would say only lounges you get access to with the business class ticket should be included for the rating. Keeps it consistent to what anyone would have access to with the same ticket, regardless of their cards or status.
Still watching this video, and excited for the rating system to debut. 😊 But if it were me, I would say it’s totally unfair to factor in first class experiences when rating! Like 1-10 ratings for business class should just be how good a business class experience should be! For example, I wouldn’t dock Air New Zealand a point in check in for not being as good as a check in for first class. Just my thoughts. ❤️❤️
Totally agree that First Class (never experienced it, probably never will) and Business Class with lie-flat bed (most magical experience I’ve ever had flying) are not equivalent. They should be separate categories.
My thought is to categorize flights by class before rating them. Obviously Emirates first class is going to trounce any premium economy flight, so grouping by class makes it a more reasonable playing field.
feel like it should be not only class, but airline ‘quality’ Like, first class emirates is nothing compared to southwest, but Emirates touts itself as luxury while Southwest doesn’t then flight duration
I like the way Jeb Brooks does his flight ratings where he rates the individual components “as-is” and doesn’t really use comparisons to competitors as a factor. This seems like the fairest way to assess an airline’s offering as a whole product. That said I think it would be super cool if you came up with rankings across airlines within each category. So that way it would be easier to see where airlines excel and fall short in a way that is not fully captured by one aggregate score.
I'm guessing you haven't flown an Emirates A380 from Auckland direct to Dubai, and another onwards to Europe. I've done that about ten times (plus return) I absolutely hate the Air NZ 777 economy class to the USA -- I'd rather take Fiji Air's A330 or new A350 via a stop in Nadi. Much more comfortable and cheaper too.
As a frequent flyer with Air New Zealand and a business class frequented passenger, long haul flights are great, great menu options with drinks to match, plus cheese and crackers if you fancy a sticky wine or port after dinner
I love Kara's childlike excitement at the airport even though she's been on a million flights. That's how I feel, too! If she sees this, wondering where she got her green outfit, it looks so comfy
We had the opportunity to fly Air New Zealand business class from the US to Australia and return on United business class. While the ANZ seat configuration has some initial awkwardness during boarding, the design for long haul flights is far superior to many other business class offerings - United included. The bed itself is exceptionally comfortable and you do not have a footwell to restrict you. The service and food are also far better than what we experienced with United. For any US to Oceania flights, we would always choose the ANZ option, even if it required a layover vs a nonstop option. Not to mention the value of redeeming miles via ANA!
Terrific and classic Kara and Nate video. I think the scoring was spot on and consistent with my experiences with ANZ business class. The only criticism I have was the frequent comparison to previous first class experiences on other airlines. Not apples to apples and perhaps unfair to ANZ.
Kara! Im from New Zealand and my family makes Kawa Kawa balm from scratch. It’s the best thing ever to use for anything, lip balm, ointment, eye brow gel! So glad you got to try some 🥰
This made us giggle as it is our national carrier in New Zealand 😅 and we always saw it as a strange way for seating. Air New Zealand has just announced that they will be changing the seating layout in business class next year. I hope Kara and Nate can come back and give them another go. We mostly fly domestically with them and their staff and service is wonderful can't wait to fly internationally in 2025 with Air New Zealand ❤ to the USA
They aren’t flying business class seats. They have these for short haul and call them business class but the business class seat configuration is different depending on the plane you get on.
I watched this Daily Drop because Kara and Nate where there! Regarding ranking systems: It might be a good exercise to create a set of guidelines for each ranking grouping. i.e., What would ruin a flight in each category for a 1 or 2 rating? What amenities, features and courtesies would constitute a 9 or 10? What would you expect in an average flight experience for a 4-6? Is a single event like (delay, security shutdown, airplane evacuation - all have happened to me!) going to influence the ratings? Then, come up with a quick primer that could be used for every future comparison to set the stage for the newest experience.
Those are great bits to get in the amenity kit! Those ingredients have been used in traditional maori medicine for generations. Personal fave is kawakawa, it's an antibiotic, antiseptic, great for overall health and healing (I have it in my tea daily) ❤
Some high-level recommendations on your scoring system: 1) Expand "check-in" to "Itinerary Performance" and expand the scope from just check-in, to boarding, potential delays, flight route deviations, changing of gates, lost luggage, landing @ different terminal than planned (sucks if you have a connecting flight) etc., (really any non-conformities that might occur and affect the schedule). At least that is how we (consultants) usually "score" operational efficiency when analyzing clients efficiency levels if they are a service provider, such as: cruise lines, airlines, railway companies etc. 2) Ref. to your point, Nate, on how to compare the different flights in order to create a benchmark. You could separate the score on the flights into categories based on time: under 3hrs (short flight), under 8 hours (mid distance flight), over 8 hours (long distance flight). Then if you want to get even more detailed, you could do international/domestic flights within each of the three categories - which would give you 6 categories in total (that might be a bit much for the purpose of the scoring system though:) ).
I live vicariously through you two. Thank you for showing me things that I'd otherwise never get to see. And for being so kind and appreciative every where you go ❤
Would recommend changing the rating system based on short and long-haul flights. Also recommend defining what you are calling first and business class because they differ between a North American first and business class compared to the rest of the world. Also, might recommend splitting the rating system between luxury airlines such as Singapore, emirates, and Etihad versus say Lufthansa, Air New Zealand and other star alliance or oneworld partners. Overall, great video and look forward to seeing more reviews with whatever rating system you continue to implement and use.
I flew Air NZ business class a few years ago and loved it. The staff were superb, my seat was great (in the same configuration) , and the food was really good. I agree with comments about considering ratings for business class in their own category. : )
One thing I love when watching airplane reviews is reading the menus! I love seeing the variety they have to offer on their regular menu and anytime menus. It’d be amazing if you could incorporate a small pan over over the menus each flight has to offer since that’s mainly what I’m looking for when flying :)
Nice treat to have 2 lots of K&N this week! 😊 I think you maybe need to divide your scoring system into economy, business and first. Like you said, you can’t really compare that business class flight to some of those awesome first class. Compare like for like I say 😎
Virgin Atlantic used to have an almost identical seat, only their seat walls were a bit higher. I used to love dining with someone else on the footrest. The only drawback for me was not really being able to look out of the window from the window seat.
If you were on the other side of the plane you would have more privacy. When we fly virgin upper class, we pick the left side as you would be facing the back of the middle row,
Your points system is good, and like you said your emirates experience is totally different from this one. Instead of them competing against each other, and having to dock points from Air New Zealand, maybe you could create categories that route/lines compete with each other. For example, Long Haul, Short Haul, Domestic.
Great review just wanted Kara to know that the kawakawa balm is multi use... its good to moiatures, lip balm, scrapes, cuts and burns a natural healing like product (obviously oending how made) but traditionally is very good for multiple things
Coffee at the Air NZ lounge is awesome, and with the Air NZ app it remembers your preferences and allows you to order from the app the moment you enter the lounge and tells you when the order is ready to collect.
I do love your classic content! I know you had to do something to survive COVID, and I'm glad you're still here! You are obviously happier and more engaged doing international travel, and I love to see it!! Looking forward to all your future far travels!!
Scoring system: make objective markers for each category: seat working: 1 point, seat comfort: 1 point if comfy, seat privacy: 1 point for reasonable privacy, etc etc etc. create 10 items for each scoring category and use that as your guide
Do a few super long videos comparing every airline's economy, business and first classes (maybe not every single one for economy since you traveled on a million flights through the early years) - but use old footage and rate them in commentary - would be so fun to watch clips of past videos and see how the experiences all compare!
Love the rating system, loved the classic Kara and Nate running through an airport. But can I say Nate quacking with a kid at the end was just awesome and so wholesome!
Loved the video as always! Only thing I’d say with the ranking system, try to compare the experience to other same class experiences. Compare business with business, first with first ect. Obviously first class products will be miles above business ❤
I was going to say the same thing, I'm a Kiwi and have flown long haul business class but you definitely can't compare it to First class on other airlines. Best food and most comfortable bed though.
@@kyliecmannI dunno - Q suites on Qatar is pretty damn good and “only” business class. I wouldn’t pay a business premium for this herringbone layout. Would choose Qantas every time.
Perhaps you should put long haul, short haul and Domestic flights in their own categories and scoring. Possibly comparing flights with equivalent travel time in to categories.
It feels illegal to be this early. Love travel days with yall, it's so fun that you guys live a different life. I literally learnt how to live your life for free after Daily Drop lol.
I think the best way is to compare Class to Class. I realise you don't often fly P. Economy, though, since those usually share food service with Business Class food would be good. I think some things should be purely analytical (if you've seen a Doug DeMuro chart), like the Cubic Feet of the seat, the number of Movies/TV or a Speed test of the Wi-Fi (with a zero if they don't have any and minus two if you have to pay for it). I do think having real Baristas, Chefs, or Bartenders should give a higher score in Lounges than ones with just a Buffet, free drinks, and Nespresso/coffee machines. I also like there to be showers and Business things like printers. That's why Virgin Airway's lounge in SFO has been the best I've been to (Fresh food, Bar served with Bartenders Showers); second is Fiji Airways with a Bar and Showers with Buffet.
Thanks for the heads up on all the things Kara and Nate and Daily Drop. Always a great day to see you both in a new video. We fly Air New Zealand in January for the first time and the info is helpful. Big Canadian love ❤
I love that you guys give treats to the flight attendants, but please remember that the gate agents do just as much-if not more-to ensure you have a safe and on-time flight. They deserve treats too!
A suggestion for the rating system (since you asked) scale of 1-5 for business class, 5-10 for first class (or 1-5 for economy, 5-10 for business, and 10-15 for first class). This way, if something in business class is as good as first class, you can give it a rating in the first class range, but crappy first-class issues can be rated as business class.
Do you two ever do meet and greets? I would love to explore your ideas and talk travel over coffee or wine. My daughter and I watch your videos all the time and I would love to surprise her with a meeting with you two.
Y’all are awesome!! Something y’all could do for bigger categories is break them into subcategories and rate them like a decision matrix. Where you rank them like normal, but subcategories are weighted based on their importance, and then all the subcategories values are added together, which becomes your full category value. It’s a take on a decision matrix but there are some good visuals out there haha. Thanks for the great content as always!!
I totally do the buying the crew chocolates since following you all. I took a flight with my nieces and nephews and bought a box of chocolates for the flight. Crew wrote out a card from them and the flight crew shout it out my nieces and nephews they were so excited.
A quick suggestion, there were references to first class when comparing the NZ's business class product. Singapore Airlines, Emirates Business to Business comparison would be a better match and fair comparison. Rest, loved the video and energy!
Weighing in for the Air New Zealand Business class seating. From a design, weight and interiors configuration perspective, this arrangement is great! The are no extra furniture walls to produce and with fewer components, there is less overall weight on the airplane, both of which reduce design and operating cost. As a future biz class passenger, this open-air seating is my worst-case-scenario for a flight experience. There is some expectation of privacy in a lay-flat seat, yet here it seems almost completely open to the cabin from every location.
Have been a huge fan for years; love ur videos. Please please be careful running to the gate at the last minute. I'm a former gate agent and there is a cutoff rule where non-boarded seats can be dropped and given to stand-by's (airline employees included). However, not sure but y'all could be getting to the gate much earlier just seems like y'all are running it down to the wire. Just looking out for the both of you and not missing a flight. Keep up the good work!! Hugs from Atlanta :)
Seats are similar to Virgin Atlantic upper class seats. I once flew VA upper class with the next seat passenger putting their foot over the divider. I had to put up with a foot in my face for the entire 8 hour flight, with the crew refusing to request it was moved. I refused to fly VA again after that! Thanks for the vid, and the memories
I would appreciate a lot if you could do voice over after filming for better audio quality and interruptions to other passengers. Other than that I'm loving it❤❤
These are the old Virgin Atlantic business class seats from the mid 2000s. The whole skinny thing is not my favorite, but it still is a business class seat. I’ll take it over compressed side-by-side, or a facing business class like British air.
We live in New Zealand and I will say the most comfortable and weirdest comfy but it’s normal like a USA flight but abit too much of the weather when it’s raining It’s scary because the plane stops in the air
I love hearing you guys talk about the a380s my dad used to work for airbus and is one of the guys who built the landing gear for the 380s , he was on a few episodes of mighty planes
I wonder how many people feel they know Kara and Nate but never have officially met them ? Me. I’m guilty also. Lol. Thanks for the as usual cool vlog !!❤ PS - and I promise - you are spoiled !! nothing wrong with that at all
scoring system needs 3 categories 1. US Domestic first class (also intra EU business) 2. US Domestic business class (premium routes - ie mint from SEA to JFK, UA and AA NYC to LAX type of flights where lie flat seats are available) 3. Long haul travel - this actually has 4 distinct areas - but I think they should be lumped together - Suites, first class and Business class (also economy - maybe separate that as it include economy, economy plus and premium economy) - but obviously no business class can get above whatever score you give suites, but for instance a GOOD business class experience may score at or slightly above a BA First class experience - if that makes sense....
I guess I am one of the few people in the world that actually likes the Upper Class Suite (NZ licensed the seat from Virgin). When it comes to long haul, honestly, I prefer the UCS to SQ's seat on the 350's, the 781 seat is more comfortable for me than both though. It's a business class, compare it to other airlines business class, NZ normally do a very good job when it comes to food and wine.
We are ex-pat Kiwi's living in Melbourne, we always fly Air NZ to the States. We find the service is excellent and whilst we aren't willing to pay the extra $$ for Business class, we do take advantage of the sky couch for that extra seat in the middle. Unfortunately our points system down under is no where near the level of the U.S so upgrades for most of us don't happen unless you travel longhaul often for work. Just my experience of course.
I watched a video of yours quite a while ago where you suggested giving the flight crew a box of chocolates and I thought that was such a beautiful idea! So this year when I was traveling from Colombia to the US I gave the same Ferraro Rocher chocolates to my flight crews. I must say it was a huge hit! Thanks for the suggestion!
Great video! You have to compare this to other international business class experiences. It's not fair to compare it to first class products. Apples and oranges.
But! But! You kept comparing our Kiwi business class with other people's first class. Is there a reason we're not comparing business class and business class? 😢 I don't expect a business class ticket for 2k to compete with a 10k plus first class ticket. Even taking the length of flight into account there is a price difference between business and first, right? We dont have the market to offer a super premium bracket. Thats not what this ever pretended to be. 😢
I think it should be compared to other comparable class seats. First class vs. First class. Business class vs. Business class. Economy vs economy. With a cap for how high you can grade an economy seat because it's still economy.
Love your work. This video took us through two of my favourite places on earth: Auckland (home) and French Polynesia (my spirit home). On my absolute favourite airline, our very own @Air New Zealand! I don’t see it as the Prius of airlines. Air New Zealand delivers reliably and well on all the key metrics. Product and service is always top notch and they acknowledge when they (rarely) get things wrong. If you try to deliver exceptional service quality while growing unnecessary product width that’s unlikely to translate into competitiveness. Unless you’re floating on petrodollars.
With the rating system you have to remember you can't rate business class against first class. Maybe rate it against other business class airlines instead of the first class suites and do another rating on first class separately?
Ha. I would be so annoyed having two people constantly talking and filming on the flight next to me. This made me anxious. I guess it’s not for me. I’ll leave it to the other travelers. 😅
I feel that is an excellent summation of our national airline. There is one extra point: our maintenance capability is right at the top, with only Singapore Airlines and Emirates competing. That's probably something your viewers are not too worried about, however we are most proud of the quality of engineering maintaining our planes.
Air NZ’s real strength has always been their service. Consistently better/friendlier than other options we’ve used long haul (including Singapore Airlines). Seat score was a bit harsh - it’s a pretty comfortable place to be. And I’ve never had a problem with the layout/privacy. With the mood lighting it’s a fairly ‘intimate’ space. Appreciate it could be an issue when you’re filming - but that isn’t what ordinary travellers are doing. AirNZ’s interiors were industry leading (about 20 years ago…) - really looking forward to the launch of their new interiors in 2024. Sampled the new menu on a recent Premium Economy trip to Chicago - genuinely some of the best airline food I’ve had (and I overhead others making the same comment). 👍🏻
Flown 3 times in Air NZ business class on their b777 and found the seating the worst of all the airlines i have flown. The service was average (albeit on a Trans Tasman flight) as this is supposed to be an international flight ! The only positive I can say was the check in at Auckland - that was nice. Other that, I cannot recommend Air NZ at all.
I think adding a category that compares cost of the first class seats would be helpful. So for example, if a four hour first class seat on Emirates is $6,000 and a four hour first class seat on Air New Zealand is $4,000; that would be a handy comparison. You can’t always compare something equally if the prices are very different.
Hey Kara, im from Down Under. When you pronounce "tomatoes", try this, "tom", like a tom cat, "arto" without rolling the tongue. "tom - a - tow" Unless u went for Pom, spot on!
I am from New Zealand and big follower of yours, this review is Great!! The media here are trying to shame this review and I have no idea why as Air NZ is truly 💩 compared to other airlines of it’s level and they charge a fortune for it, keep promoting this Air NZ needs to step up!
I think a comparison of Business to Business , Economy to Economy etc. I don't think it is really a fair comparison to compare Business to First ( but I will watch Kara doing a review of anything really ! )
The ranking system needs a multiplier based on retail price. It’s not fair to compare a Toyota and a Porsche. There needs to be a multiplier based on what the full price fare would be to level the scoring.
Hiiii I'm Maori from NZ and hearing Kara butcher our language hurt my ears but it was soo cute 😂 I'm so sad to know that yous came here and I couldn't see yous for a second time. I remember seeing yous spend New Years in Auckland and was so sad to miss yas. Hopefully next time
Some effort into a weighted scoring system would set this channel apart from other travel reviewers. For example, points for lounges/comfort should be worth way more than ammenity kit. Could also make it modular so you can remove parts that wouldnt apply to other modes of travel.
Thank you for sharing your flight moments Still looking great to see how business class actually runs For me I never been on business class just always on economy class
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When you live in NZ you recognise there are two levels of business class… short haul and long haul… you should rate the experiences separately.
they are a dumb couple
Exactly plus business class is not First class…
Bull shit ,the seats are fkd the way they face with feet poking out on aisles. 2 levels pfffff just rubbish.
@rickandersonnz Exactly air nz bussiness is just crap ,47 years flying with them even many times to london we have given up .
I am from New Zealand and their business is not to good for short but long haul flights are nice ok
This didn't feel like a daily drop video. This is classic Kara and Nate!
Daily Drop is all about using miles & points to get business class flights! We wanted to provide our viewers with a review of these business class seats so that they can decide for themselves if they would use their points to book this flight ✈️ We hope you enjoyed this video 🤗
Loved the run to the plane, we just had our first experience in a airport lounge and did it in style we had to run and almost missed our flight! Which would have been sad because we had tickets to the World Series
Yes, it did! And that's why we're actually watching it!😅
I took this comment as “this is classic Kara and Nate,” which means double content😍❤️❤️
you are so right!! I know it's a daily drop video, but I loved it for the old school kara and nate feel!! I know their channel has grown a lot from when I first started watching around 400k subscribers, so style has changed to keep up with trends and appealing to broader audiences, but I love when we get videos like this!!!
I did this business class trip from Vancouver to Auckland - it was like a fun sleep over with strangers. We all became friendly. And the food was great - best ice cream in the air ever!
Sounds horrible, hahaha
Yea yum Woon rumble
gross, I pay for business class for privacy. this seems like expensive economy.
I would say only lounges you get access to with the business class ticket should be included for the rating. Keeps it consistent to what anyone would have access to with the same ticket, regardless of their cards or status.
Still watching this video, and excited for the rating system to debut. 😊 But if it were me, I would say it’s totally unfair to factor in first class experiences when rating! Like 1-10 ratings for business class should just be how good a business class experience should be! For example, I wouldn’t dock Air New Zealand a point in check in for not being as good as a check in for first class. Just my thoughts. ❤️❤️
Totally agree that First Class (never experienced it, probably never will) and Business Class with lie-flat bed (most magical experience I’ve ever had flying) are not equivalent. They should be separate categories.
My thought is to categorize flights by class before rating them. Obviously Emirates first class is going to trounce any premium economy flight, so grouping by class makes it a more reasonable playing field.
Great feedback! Thank you 👍
Agreed. Business vs first class is apples to oranges
feel like it should be not only class, but airline ‘quality’
Like, first class emirates is nothing compared to southwest, but Emirates touts itself as luxury while Southwest doesn’t
then flight duration
I like the way Jeb Brooks does his flight ratings where he rates the individual components “as-is” and doesn’t really use comparisons to competitors as a factor. This seems like the fairest way to assess an airline’s offering as a whole product. That said I think it would be super cool if you came up with rankings across airlines within each category. So that way it would be easier to see where airlines excel and fall short in a way that is not fully captured by one aggregate score.
Air New Zealand is my favorite airline! Their food, the service, in economy is a 100 times better than any airline I have been on
economy yes but business no privacy feels so bad
I have flown with them a couple of times but didn't think it was anything special!
really depends on the seat you get. if you get a isle exit row you can have better leg room and overall space than a back of the plane business seat
I'm guessing you haven't flown an Emirates A380 from Auckland direct to Dubai, and another onwards to Europe. I've done that about ten times (plus return) I absolutely hate the Air NZ 777 economy class to the USA -- I'd rather take Fiji Air's A330 or new A350 via a stop in Nadi. Much more comfortable and cheaper too.
Service went way downhill post Covid. All the utensils and cups and tea and coffee is terrible now 😢
Air NZ staff are the best, so friendly and they really go above and beyond for their passengers.
As a frequent flyer with Air New Zealand and a business class frequented passenger, long haul flights are great, great menu options with drinks to match, plus cheese and crackers if you fancy a sticky wine or port after dinner
I feel like this was filmed after one of the extreme adventures. Kara seems incredibly grateful for everything like she was recently roughing it 😂
Kara looks like a spoilt brat… and acts like she loves herself.
Kara in the Singapore lounge saying "I'm gonna get another latte" but coming back with wine made me laugh 🤣
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I love Kara's childlike excitement at the airport even though she's been on a million flights. That's how I feel, too! If she sees this, wondering where she got her green outfit, it looks so comfy
I was thinking the same, my wife would love that!
shows either her immaturity or playing up for the camera for views
New Zealand is an amazing country, and the airline is great too. I fly with them every time i fly
We had the opportunity to fly Air New Zealand business class from the US to Australia and return on United business class. While the ANZ seat configuration has some initial awkwardness during boarding, the design for long haul flights is far superior to many other business class offerings - United included. The bed itself is exceptionally comfortable and you do not have a footwell to restrict you. The service and food are also far better than what we experienced with United. For any US to Oceania flights, we would always choose the ANZ option, even if it required a layover vs a nonstop option. Not to mention the value of redeeming miles via ANA!
Thanks for sharing 👍 All great points that you made! Appreciate the comment!
@@DailyDropfly economy on air new Zealand, they have a 3 seat option!!!
Terrific and classic Kara and Nate video. I think the scoring was spot on and consistent with my experiences with ANZ business class. The only criticism I have was the frequent comparison to previous first class experiences on other airlines. Not apples to apples and perhaps unfair to ANZ.
Kara! Im from New Zealand and my family makes Kawa Kawa balm from scratch. It’s the best thing ever to use for anything, lip balm, ointment, eye brow gel! So glad you got to try some 🥰
This made us giggle as it is our national carrier in New Zealand 😅 and we always saw it as a strange way for seating. Air New Zealand has just announced that they will be changing the seating layout in business class next year. I hope Kara and Nate can come back and give them another go. We mostly fly domestically with them and their staff and service is wonderful can't wait to fly internationally in 2025 with Air New Zealand ❤ to the USA
They aren’t flying business class seats. They have these for short haul and call them business class but the business class seat configuration is different depending on the plane you get on.
@@moiramcfarland539Yes they are. ANZ has only one type of Business Class seat. No long or short haul.
Kara is so humble you literally DESERVE and have gotten to a point where you can rate first class seats honestly because we know you
Oh you flibbertigibbet.
humble????? hahaha she is such a drama queen for the camera
Kara is so humble.... nah you guys deserve it i have been watching for a while now and the way yee started cracks me up every time.
I watched this Daily Drop because Kara and Nate where there! Regarding ranking systems: It might be a good exercise to create a set of guidelines for each ranking grouping. i.e., What would ruin a flight in each category for a 1 or 2 rating? What amenities, features and courtesies would constitute a 9 or 10? What would you expect in an average flight experience for a 4-6? Is a single event like (delay, security shutdown, airplane evacuation - all have happened to me!) going to influence the ratings? Then, come up with a quick primer that could be used for every future comparison to set the stage for the newest experience.
They are in all of them. It's their business. They own the website.
Those are great bits to get in the amenity kit! Those ingredients have been used in traditional maori medicine for generations. Personal fave is kawakawa, it's an antibiotic, antiseptic, great for overall health and healing (I have it in my tea daily) ❤
Some high-level recommendations on your scoring system:
1) Expand "check-in" to "Itinerary Performance" and expand the scope from just check-in, to boarding, potential delays, flight route deviations, changing of gates, lost luggage, landing @ different terminal than planned (sucks if you have a connecting flight) etc., (really any non-conformities that might occur and affect the schedule). At least that is how we (consultants) usually "score" operational efficiency when analyzing clients efficiency levels if they are a service provider, such as: cruise lines, airlines, railway companies etc.
2) Ref. to your point, Nate, on how to compare the different flights in order to create a benchmark. You could separate the score on the flights into categories based on time: under 3hrs (short flight), under 8 hours (mid distance flight), over 8 hours (long distance flight). Then if you want to get even more detailed, you could do international/domestic flights within each of the three categories - which would give you 6 categories in total (that might be a bit much for the purpose of the scoring system though:) ).
Whenever there is a video from Kara and Nate or daily drop it is a good day
Haha we agree! Thanks for watching 🎉
Bonus Kara and Nate for the win !!!!!!!
Indeed❤🎉🎉
I was just fixing to post this same thing!! And on a Tuesday too!!
Agree ❤
I live vicariously through you two. Thank you for showing me things that I'd otherwise never get to see. And for being so kind and appreciative every where you go ❤
Thanks for the support & for following along 🤗
Would recommend changing the rating system based on short and long-haul flights. Also recommend defining what you are calling first and business class because they differ between a North American first and business class compared to the rest of the world. Also, might recommend splitting the rating system between luxury airlines such as Singapore, emirates, and Etihad versus say Lufthansa, Air New Zealand and other star alliance or oneworld partners. Overall, great video and look forward to seeing more reviews with whatever rating system you continue to implement and use.
I think it should be defined by cost. What they call it is just branding.
I flew Air NZ business class a few years ago and loved it. The staff were superb, my seat was great (in the same configuration) , and the food was really good. I agree with comments about considering ratings for business class in their own category. : )
One thing I love when watching airplane reviews is reading the menus! I love seeing the variety they have to offer on their regular menu and anytime menus. It’d be amazing if you could incorporate a small pan over over the menus each flight has to offer since that’s mainly what I’m looking for when flying :)
Nice treat to have 2 lots of K&N this week! 😊 I think you maybe need to divide your scoring system into economy, business and first. Like you said, you can’t really compare that business class flight to some of those awesome first class. Compare like for like I say 😎
That is a great idea! Thanks for the feedback! Hard to compare apples to oranges.
And maybe also into domestic vs international, because those services are vastly different
Virgin Atlantic used to have an almost identical seat, only their seat walls were a bit higher. I used to love dining with someone else on the footrest. The only drawback for me was not really being able to look out of the window from the window seat.
Having a window seat is always nice. Thanks for sharing!
If you were on the other side of the plane you would have more privacy. When we fly virgin upper class, we pick the left side as you would be facing the back of the middle row,
Virgin still has this seat on its older aircraft :)
@@daviddewhurst4708 well yes of course, but it is now their older seat...
Your points system is good, and like you said your emirates experience is totally different from this one. Instead of them competing against each other, and having to dock points from Air New Zealand, maybe you could create categories that route/lines compete with each other. For example, Long Haul, Short Haul, Domestic.
Not trying the hash browns in the Air NZ lounge was a crime, they are so good!
Great review just wanted Kara to know that the kawakawa balm is multi use... its good to moiatures, lip balm, scrapes, cuts and burns a natural healing like product (obviously oending how made) but traditionally is very good for multiple things
It's very good for scrapes and cuts. That right there is treasure
Coffee at the Air NZ lounge is awesome, and with the Air NZ app it remembers your preferences and allows you to order from the app the moment you enter the lounge and tells you when the order is ready to collect.
I do love your classic content! I know you had to do something to survive COVID, and I'm glad you're still here! You are obviously happier and more engaged doing international travel, and I love to see it!! Looking forward to all your future far travels!!
Scoring system: make objective markers for each category: seat working: 1 point, seat comfort: 1 point if comfy, seat privacy: 1 point for reasonable privacy, etc etc etc. create 10 items for each scoring category and use that as your guide
Do a few super long videos comparing every airline's economy, business and first classes (maybe not every single one for economy since you traveled on a million flights through the early years) - but use old footage and rate them in commentary - would be so fun to watch clips of past videos and see how the experiences all compare!
Love the rating system, loved the classic Kara and Nate running through an airport. But can I say Nate quacking with a kid at the end was just awesome and so wholesome!
Loved the video as always! Only thing I’d say with the ranking system, try to compare the experience to other same class experiences. Compare business with business, first with first ect. Obviously first class products will be miles above business ❤
I was going to say the same thing, I'm a Kiwi and have flown long haul business class but you definitely can't compare it to First class on other airlines. Best food and most comfortable bed though.
@@kyliecmannI dunno - Q suites on Qatar is pretty damn good and “only” business class. I wouldn’t pay a business premium for this herringbone layout. Would choose Qantas every time.
I do like a window in aircraft toilets. It makes it feel less claustrophobic. After all, it's not as if anyone can look in!
Oh my gosh those seats reminded me of the movie “The Wedding Date” when they fly over to Europe! Crazy seat arrangement.
I'm from New Zealand and have been watching you guys for a while now. Hope you enjoyed our beautiful country xx
Perhaps you should put long haul, short haul and Domestic flights in their own categories and scoring. Possibly comparing flights with equivalent travel time in to categories.
It feels illegal to be this early. Love travel days with yall, it's so fun that you guys live a different life. I literally learnt how to live your life for free after Daily Drop lol.
So glad that Daily Drop has been a useful resource! Glad you enjoyed 🤗
I think the best way is to compare Class to Class. I realise you don't often fly P. Economy, though, since those usually share food service with Business Class food would be good.
I think some things should be purely analytical (if you've seen a Doug DeMuro chart), like the Cubic Feet of the seat, the number of Movies/TV or a Speed test of the Wi-Fi (with a zero if they don't have any and minus two if you have to pay for it).
I do think having real Baristas, Chefs, or Bartenders should give a higher score in Lounges than ones with just a Buffet, free drinks, and Nespresso/coffee machines. I also like there to be showers and Business things like printers. That's why Virgin Airway's lounge in SFO has been the best I've been to (Fresh food, Bar served with Bartenders Showers); second is Fiji Airways with a Bar and Showers with Buffet.
Nate's dedication to the Prius comparison was incredible 🚗
We flew ANZ from LAX to AKL in business class 5 years ago and it was fantastic, nothing like your seat set-up.
Kara is always optimistic and happy! She makes economy exciting!
It's just me, loving your videos, loving you guys and living vicariously through you.
Thanks for the heads up on all the things Kara and Nate and Daily Drop. Always a great day to see you both in a new video. We fly Air New Zealand in January for the first time and the info is helpful. Big Canadian love ❤
I love that you guys give treats to the flight attendants, but please remember that the gate agents do just as much-if not more-to ensure you have a safe and on-time flight. They deserve treats too!
So do the check in staff, the luggage handlers, the pilots!! Security etc etc ... can't gift them all ..
A suggestion for the rating system (since you asked) scale of 1-5 for business class, 5-10 for first class (or 1-5 for economy, 5-10 for business, and 10-15 for first class). This way, if something in business class is as good as first class, you can give it a rating in the first class range, but crappy first-class issues can be rated as business class.
Do you two ever do meet and greets? I would love to explore your ideas and talk travel over coffee or wine. My daughter and I watch your videos all the time and I would love to surprise her with a meeting with you two.
Y’all are awesome!! Something y’all could do for bigger categories is break them into subcategories and rate them like a decision matrix. Where you rank them like normal, but subcategories are weighted based on their importance, and then all the subcategories values are added together, which becomes your full category value. It’s a take on a decision matrix but there are some good visuals out there haha. Thanks for the great content as always!!
I totally do the buying the crew chocolates since following you all. I took a flight with my nieces and nephews and bought a box of chocolates for the flight. Crew wrote out a card from them and the flight crew shout it out my nieces and nephews they were so excited.
That is awesome 🤗
A quick suggestion, there were references to first class when comparing the NZ's business class product. Singapore Airlines, Emirates Business to Business comparison would be a better match and fair comparison. Rest, loved the video and energy!
Weighing in for the Air New Zealand Business class seating. From a design, weight and interiors configuration perspective, this arrangement is great! The are no extra furniture walls to produce and with fewer components, there is less overall weight on the airplane, both of which reduce design and operating cost. As a future biz class passenger, this open-air seating is my worst-case-scenario for a flight experience. There is some expectation of privacy in a lay-flat seat, yet here it seems almost completely open to the cabin from every location.
My daughter did the exact same route but in economy, but she still had an amazing time because she had amazing food and WiFi!
Have been a huge fan for years; love ur videos. Please please be careful running to the gate at the last minute. I'm a former gate agent and there is a cutoff rule where non-boarded seats can be dropped and given to stand-by's (airline employees included). However, not sure but y'all could be getting to the gate much earlier just seems like y'all are running it down to the wire. Just looking out for the both of you and not missing a flight. Keep up the good work!! Hugs from Atlanta :)
Seats are similar to Virgin Atlantic upper class seats. I once flew VA upper class with the next seat passenger putting their foot over the divider. I had to put up with a foot in my face for the entire 8 hour flight, with the crew refusing to request it was moved. I refused to fly VA again after that! Thanks for the vid, and the memories
I would appreciate a lot if you could do voice over after filming for better audio quality and interruptions to other passengers. Other than that I'm loving it❤❤
These are the old Virgin Atlantic business class seats from the mid 2000s. The whole skinny thing is not my favorite, but it still is a business class seat. I’ll take it over compressed side-by-side, or a facing business class like British air.
Thanks for watching & sharing your thoughts! The seat configuration is definitely interesting.
Cool to see the Daily Mail post a story about this video in their travel section. Congrats Kara & Nate
We live in New Zealand and I will say the most comfortable and weirdest comfy but it’s normal like a USA flight but abit too much of the weather when it’s raining It’s scary because the plane stops in the air
I love hearing you guys talk about the a380s my dad used to work for airbus and is one of the guys who built the landing gear for the 380s , he was on a few episodes of mighty planes
Wow that is so cool!
I LOVE YOU GUYS! MAKING MY TUESDAY BETTER!
We are so glad 🤗
I wonder how many people feel they know Kara and Nate but never have officially met them ? Me. I’m guilty also. Lol.
Thanks for the as usual cool vlog !!❤
PS - and I promise - you are spoiled !! nothing wrong with that at all
I agree, Kara is spoiled and it is ok
scoring system needs 3 categories
1. US Domestic first class (also intra EU business)
2. US Domestic business class (premium routes - ie mint from SEA to JFK, UA and AA NYC to LAX type of flights where lie flat seats are available)
3. Long haul travel - this actually has 4 distinct areas - but I think they should be lumped together - Suites, first class and Business class (also economy - maybe separate that as it include economy, economy plus and premium economy) - but obviously no business class can get above whatever score you give suites, but for instance a GOOD business class experience may score at or slightly above a BA First class experience - if that makes sense....
Thanks for the suggestion 👍
I've never flown business class, but in my opinion Air New Zealand economy class is one of the best out there
I guess I am one of the few people in the world that actually likes the Upper Class Suite (NZ licensed the seat from Virgin). When it comes to long haul, honestly, I prefer the UCS to SQ's seat on the 350's, the 781 seat is more comfortable for me than both though.
It's a business class, compare it to other airlines business class, NZ normally do a very good job when it comes to food and wine.
We are ex-pat Kiwi's living in Melbourne, we always fly Air NZ to the States. We find the service is excellent and whilst we aren't willing to pay the extra $$ for Business class, we do take advantage of the sky couch for that extra seat in the middle. Unfortunately our points system down under is no where near the level of the U.S so upgrades for most of us don't happen unless you travel longhaul often for work. Just my experience of course.
I watched a video of yours quite a while ago where you suggested giving the flight crew a box of chocolates and I thought that was such a beautiful idea! So this year when I was traveling from Colombia to the US I gave the same Ferraro Rocher chocolates to my flight crews. I must say it was a huge hit! Thanks for the suggestion!
OMG Kara, you must've been as devastated as I was when Matthew Perry passed away. I was in tears for days.
Great video! You have to compare this to other international business class experiences. It's not fair to compare it to first class products. Apples and oranges.
I just subscribed to the channel, I’m a flight attendant and what made me subscribe was the chocolates she brought for the flight attendants 😍
But! But! You kept comparing our Kiwi business class with other people's first class. Is there a reason we're not comparing business class and business class? 😢 I don't expect a business class ticket for 2k to compete with a 10k plus first class ticket. Even taking the length of flight into account there is a price difference between business and first, right? We dont have the market to offer a super premium bracket. Thats not what this ever pretended to be. 😢
I think it should be compared to other comparable class seats. First class vs. First class. Business class vs. Business class. Economy vs economy. With a cap for how high you can grade an economy seat because it's still economy.
Love your work. This video took us through two of my favourite places on earth: Auckland (home) and French Polynesia (my spirit home).
On my absolute favourite airline, our very own @Air New Zealand! I don’t see it as the Prius of airlines. Air New Zealand delivers reliably and well on all the key metrics. Product and service is always top notch and they acknowledge when they (rarely) get things wrong.
If you try to deliver exceptional service quality while growing unnecessary product width that’s unlikely to translate into competitiveness. Unless you’re floating on petrodollars.
With the rating system you have to remember you can't rate business class against first class. Maybe rate it against other business class airlines instead of the first class suites and do another rating on first class separately?
"Nothing to get excited about" accurately describes this content.
Can we all applaud karas ability to have cute outfits even LIVING out of a bag?! ❤
I LOVE her outfit. Anyone know where it’s from?!
I’ve got the same question!
Ha. I would be so annoyed having two people constantly talking and filming on the flight next to me. This made me anxious. I guess it’s not for me. I’ll leave it to the other travelers. 😅
I'd honestly tell them to give it a rest if they kept going, ain't nobody gonna ruin my flying experience 😅
I feel that is an excellent summation of our national airline. There is one extra point: our maintenance capability is right at the top, with only Singapore Airlines and Emirates competing. That's probably something your viewers are not too worried about, however we are most proud of the quality of engineering maintaining our planes.
Air NZ’s real strength has always been their service. Consistently better/friendlier than other options we’ve used long haul (including Singapore Airlines). Seat score was a bit harsh - it’s a pretty comfortable place to be. And I’ve never had a problem with the layout/privacy. With the mood lighting it’s a fairly ‘intimate’ space. Appreciate it could be an issue when you’re filming - but that isn’t what ordinary travellers are doing.
AirNZ’s interiors were industry leading (about 20 years ago…) - really looking forward to the launch of their new interiors in 2024.
Sampled the new menu on a recent Premium Economy trip to Chicago - genuinely some of the best airline food I’ve had (and I overhead others making the same comment). 👍🏻
Flown 3 times in Air NZ business class on their b777 and found the seating the worst of all the airlines i have flown. The service was average (albeit on a Trans Tasman flight) as this is supposed to be an international flight ! The only positive I can say was the check in at Auckland - that was nice. Other that, I cannot recommend Air NZ at all.
It makes no sense to compare business v first, and short-haul business v long-haul business. Looking forward to seeing the eating system evolve!
This review made headlines here in New Zealand. NZ Herald and Stuff are the 2 major publications here in NZ both ran stories about this review
I think adding a category that compares cost of the first class seats would be helpful. So for example, if a four hour first class seat on Emirates is $6,000 and a four hour first class seat on Air New Zealand is $4,000; that would be a handy comparison. You can’t always compare something equally if the prices are very different.
I remember the old days when Air New Zealand used to roll a port wine and cheese cart down the aisle after dinner service in business class.
Hey Kara, im from Down Under. When you pronounce "tomatoes", try this, "tom", like a tom cat, "arto" without rolling the tongue. "tom - a - tow" Unless u went for Pom, spot on!
I LOVED Nate’s Prius references 😂 we own 2 Priuses as our daily drivers!
I am from New Zealand and big follower of yours, this review is Great!! The media here are trying to shame this review and I have no idea why as Air NZ is truly 💩 compared to other airlines of it’s level and they charge a fortune for it, keep promoting this Air NZ needs to step up!
I think a comparison of Business to Business , Economy to Economy etc. I don't think it is really a fair comparison to compare Business to First ( but I will watch Kara doing a review of anything really ! )
The ranking system needs a multiplier based on retail price. It’s not fair to compare a Toyota and a Porsche. There needs to be a multiplier based on what the full price fare would be to level the scoring.
Hiiii I'm Maori from NZ and hearing Kara butcher our language hurt my ears but it was soo cute 😂 I'm so sad to know that yous came here and I couldn't see yous for a second time. I remember seeing yous spend New Years in Auckland and was so sad to miss yas. Hopefully next time
Kara please, start sharing where you outfits are from! Gorgeous!
Some effort into a weighted scoring system would set this channel apart from other travel reviewers. For example, points for lounges/comfort should be worth way more than ammenity kit.
Could also make it modular so you can remove parts that wouldnt apply to other modes of travel.
Yay! Not trying to be a hater, but I’d trade 1 airplane tour/travel over any biking or survival video. This was 10/10 💛💛😂
Thank you for sharing your flight moments
Still looking great to see how business class actually runs
For me I never been on business class just always on economy class
I REALLY like this DailyDrop format!