In this video I'll tell a story of my experience with different skating setups and how I got to where I am now. #inlineskating #rollerblading #motivation
Just do what I do. Take a pair of worn wheels and place them at the front and back of your flat frame. Put new wheels in the center and you have a flat frame rocker set up. when you want to replace your wheels, move the center ones to the outside and put the new ones in the middle as before. I never liked the extra height of rocker frames, especially when slalom skating.
Yes to worn-in wheels to create your own rocker! When rockering increases due to wear, your wheels will be assorted from small to big: 1342 As soon as your skates feel too twitchy, change wheels to 1234 which at that point feels almost flat and will wear down to 1342 again soon.
@nikoblading once your middle wheels wear you move them to outside and then you will be on anti-rocker setup (biggest wheels on outside) until u wear them in... this is what I do, but doesn't sound like u would like that...
Speaking as someone who has skated a lot on flat and rockered setups, if you feel that a flat setup is "heavy" or not manoeuvrable enough then I'm afraid it's just your technique that needs improvement. Rockered skates are great for slalom skating or a few wizard tricks, but if you are serious about street skating, keep away from the rocker. Flat setups allow you to be much more stable whether at speed, or in corners and they also allow you to do the amazing "double push". The latter is one of the single most awesome ways of maintaining high speed on skates over a distance and it looks good too. Very few street skaters do this properly. Stick with your flat setup and just skate more, you will get there in the end. 🙂
Hmm… In the world of machines, it’s often true that an older type of machine requires “better technique” than the newer ones. Those who learned on the older types might feel attached to them. Newer machines are sometimes simply mechanically superior (meaning that they are easier to use because they are faster, lighter, less cumbersome, and require less overall effort). If a better machine design comes around that has a lower bar of entry, I’m not sure that technique is the problem. It’s more likely the case that the new design is simply superior for the uses of that particular user. I would argue that the rockered setup is superior for Niko’s riding style. It’s not his technique that needs fixing if he has no intent of wearing flat skates anymore. The world changes and along with it we go, whether we’d like to or not.
I'm a fitness/distance skater so 4x90 flat is my go to as it gives a good balance between speed, maneuverability and acceleration (hilly area). I also have a 4x84 flat setup that I use for more street skating and for practicing new slides and skills. I find the 255mm frame length gives good enough maneuverability without feeling like a slight shift in weight will have me falling backwards.
When I read your comment, I thought I had written this because I’m always talking about the 255mm 4x84 being perfect for shredding through the city & remaining maneuverable.
I completely agree. I had always only skated flat set ups and always felt like everything was so difficult, so heavy. So I got myself the Endless 84 and I absolutely love it’s subtle rocker. I’ve been evolving on my skating so much, feeling lighter and having so much fun! It’s a lot easier to learn how to skate with, that’s for sure.
Most of the time a skate 4x100 or 4x90 flat bc fitness is my primary goal. Short story: A year ago I traded Powerslide Next skates for Powerslide Imperial which were too small for me and therefore remained unused for 5 years. The Next came with a 3x100 setup in 231 length. It was a fantastic experience. A feather light setup with really fast acceleration and top speed, I was really impressed. There weren't even high quality wheels installed, the spinner wheels. Unfortunately the Next boot didn't fit my foot well and I couldn't keep it, i had only two sessions with them but i can't get the setup out of my head since then. I had ridden 3x110 (165mm) before but wasn't really convinced, it was just too high and clunky, it took the fun out of it. However, 3x100 in connection with the Trinity system hit the sweet spot. Fun fact, 3x100 Trinity is lower than 4x90 165mm on FR1 boot, I measured it exactly. Powerslide even brought out a 3x100 frame with a length of 250mm, seems even more perfect. I wish there was a Trinity boot that fit my foot. So you can consider such a 3x100 setup because it was very agile, manoeuvrable and fast, which is my main point.
Thanks for such an elaborate answer mate. Did you try Hardcore Evo boot? I seriously can't think of a better boot for me. I started with Next, but because of its form I always had pain in my toes. Only later I found out that heat gun can fix it, you don't even need to buy it, skate shops will do it for you. Recently I ordered Tau boot, I'll make a video about how it feels in comparison to Hardcore evo, so stay tuned. I also had Powerslide Swell, I loved that boot, how easy it was to put it on, but it was too loose on my foot, I wouldn't use it anymore. I never tried 3x100 setup, only 4x100 which is too heavy for me, but would be a good fitness workout I imagine. I'll give it a shot in the future. I already ordered 5x80 rockered setup, need to test it out first. If it turns out useless for me, I may have a go with 3x100
@@nikoblading In fact, I tried on the HC Evo but unfortunately found that it didn't fit, too little lateral support. I should test the Tau, which is said to be narrower in the middle part. I'm curious what your verdict will be. The FR1 fits me best, but only with the old type liner. Because of the 165mm mounting I'm now trying to get a 3x100 frame that is not too long but very low like Trinity. The cool thing is there are plenty of good cheap 100mm on the market. In my town's classified ads I could immediately buy an unused Powerslide Softboot skate with Matter wheels in it for 15€, but I already have unused MPC wheels lying around, also bought for 15€. I just compared setup weights again, between Next 4x80 and Next 100 there is only a 30g difference. That's why it felt so light
I just realised that youtube doesn't notifies me when I get replies... What a bummer. The Tau boot is coming soon, it's in Germany right now, can't wait to get it in my hands. I have dragon frames already sitting here and waiting.
What exactly didn’t fit your feet with the next boot. I am about to order powerslide next 4x90 rockered but I am a bit nervous cause I have flat feet and often the boots are too tight on the middle of my feet. Do you think that will be a problem with the next boot?
@@unnamed5981 Ticky situation. The Next is not a wide boot but also not narrow. The Powerslide Imperial is narrow and the Powerslide Zoom is a wide boot. You might be on the safe side buying the Zoom, bc you could always make a skate tighter with angle booties.
I completely share your thoughts about this topic. I'm only using rockered frames and can't see myself using non swively flat frames again, specially because carving became a huge part of my skating style.
Love the quadriceps comment , it is so true. Ive been on 4x80 flat for 3 years now. 1st year was fun learning curve and improving my skills. This last year Ive been feeling like I need bigger wheels. 80mm just requires all your energy to get going and while its amazing feeling after couple hours of intense workout , u dont always want to be working out everytime you skate. So for that reason im upgrading my entire setup from RollerBlade RB 80 Pro 4x80 stock to Powerslide HardcoreEvo Pro 4x90mm Endless Trinity LR. Made me smile when I heard you mention this setup in your video with such a praise.
Yes absolutely that setup is an absolute blast. I think I enjoyed it for almost two years. Currently I switched to 5x80mm, but I’m planning to keep 4x90 endless as my distance skating solution.
Really useful video! I have a flat 4x80 setup at present and was looking to move to 3x110 or 3x100 but you have got me thinking about 4x90 with a slight rocker. Thanks!
For me i agree on all points you mentionsled. I recently bought the Rollerblade Crossfire and right out of the box, the rockard set up was perfect. The boot dors unfortunately cramp my big toe 😢. I wear size 12 but the biggest size was 11.5/46EU. I wore thin socks so maybe more cushioned sock will stop the discomfort. Other than that the feel of the skate ia damn near perfect. And its super agile allowing a non pro like myself to move the way i need too.
Lately, I've been using a Trinity 4x110 flat frame. I consider it optimal for speed (I live near a stadium). Over time, the muscles of the legs become stronger, so that the 4x110 can also be maneuvered.
I have skated (and still) flat, rockered, hockey, anti rocker setups and i would say its better to start off with flats to learn your foundations. Jumping straight into rockered setup is not wrong but you will lose some foundations. Hence why some wizard frames (or any alike brands like Endless, NN, YOYO etc..) say its for advance skaters. It would be an unpleasant feeling or a waste if you keep on falling on rockered setups. I mainly skate rockered on streets because i do a lot of wizard skating, provided that i started with flats and had no issues with basics. But this is your own experience which might differ from mine.
So you have the most exciting stuff ahead of you mate. For me discovering 1mm rockered frames was like rediscovering inline skating. Also there are so many options now, wizards, ninjas, endless, powerslide, ....
I am lucky enough to have bought different set-ups.... I have a rockered Wizard Frame, 5 wheels, 100-80-80-80-100 for fun and manouverabilty. I also have a flat set-up 4x110mm speed skates for speed/long distance activites.
I started out on a flat 4x80mm (243mm) frame with a cheap boot rivetted on it. My foot size being 44 and a half (285mm) I frequently fell backwards since the back wheel was right under my heel. After that I got myself the 4x90mm Next setup you started on, the only difference being I used 90mm UC White wheels with it. This is my second year on that setup and it really feels stable to me. Granted I have no interest in wizard skating and I mainly focus on cityskating, I feel this setup has met all my needs in stability, speed and comfort. I do get your point about the quads tho, they have grown since. I have tried rockered frames and they always feel unstable to me at high speeds. I don't mean downhill skating, but If I find myself in an empty park with a rockered skate it starts to feel really unstable. This is the main reason I am not planning on using rockered frames, the shakes at high speeds are something that's inherent in those frames, and I skate fast a lot. My recommendation to anyone starting or choosing a new setup is to evaluate your needs, where you will be skating and what you will be doing on skates. Both flat and rockered frames have their merits and deficiencies, so do your research. If you choose the wrong setup, the chances of never skating it are really high.
Great point mate. This is exactly the topic I wanted to raise in one of my next videos. I'll refer to your comment if you don't mind. Basically, the crucial difference is that on a rockered frame, the stability of the skate becomes your concern, and you have to really focus on it in the beginning because it does get shaky at high speeds. Whereas on a flat setup, most of the stability of your foot comes from the grip between the wheels and the surface. I do remember my first times on a rockered setup; it did feel a bit scary during downhill descents, especially when I did it for the first time without even realizing that the stability of the skate is now my problem. Thanks for the elaborate comment!
I had a similar experience. Skated 3x110, 3x125, 4x100 and 4x90 for urban and distance. The 4x90 (rockered for urban, flat for distance) is the sweet spot for me.
@@nikoblading no, actually the Iqon decode 90. Swapping the axles to go from flat to rockered on the same setup. I need the setup both for distance and urban on a Seba SX.
@@art0nblades ah cool, nexus and katana frames from powerslide have a similar way of going from flat to rockered, I have a couple of those. But Iqon frames support much more configurations, which makes them stand out.
@@nikoblading and they are exteremely solid (I the UFS version with no cutouts on a Seba SX). The rockering works as well. Not as good as a Wizard frames or the like, but its a solid jack of all trades.
I learned how to ice skate several years ago at age 50. It was very challenging but after a couple years I am now pretty good! I’m no pro but most people are surprised to learn that I haven’t been skating since I was a kid. Anyway this spring I decided to try roller blading. I bought RB cruisers and I have a brand new tennis court nearby to try them out. I’ve gone out twice and am finding it very difficult. Way harder than ice skating. Just doing some basic things that beginner ice skaters do like swizzles, turns, stops, slaloms are really hard. It’s like they are too stable. My feet get stuck in place but the rest of the body keeps and I end up on the ground. But I’m going to give it a couple months before I try a different set up. There’s probably some value in learning how to manage with flat set ups.
Enjoyed reading your comment, as I can relate to your experience 100%. I did ice skating for years, I had a couple of ice hockey boots, then I had Jackson skates for figure skating. And similarly I bought my first roller blades 80mm flat setup of course, and it was just as you described it. I would also define this experience like being on rails. If you try 80 or 90mm slightly rockered frame, let’s say endless or ninja frames, you’ll be surprised how much closer they are to your ice skating experience. Or alternatively you can take the most worn out wheels and place them to the front and back or your frame, thus making your own rocker. Good luck mate, I hope you’ll find your best setup.
@@nikoblading Being on rails! Yes! That's exactly how it feels. I'm definitely going to try different things. Is there any reason why I shouldn't simply swap out the front and back wheels with slightly smaller wheels? Would the difference be too rockered? Is that why people choose rockered frames over swapping out wheels?
It will be too much rockered, what you need is 1mm difference, if it’s more than that it’ll become a slalom frame, too agile, too unstable. What you could also do is to buy 4 new wheels and put them in the middle of both frames, thus the front and the back wheels will be slightly elevated. Actually someone left me a comment about that, how to make your own rocker. Sounds like a good idea.
@@nikoblading Hi! I thought I'd follow up with some recent observations that you might find interesting since you're a teacher. I think my big mistake in learning inline skating is that I assumed you'd go by the same process as learning how to ice skate. In ice skating, you learn how to do 2-foot glides, then swizzles, then half-swizzles, then slaloms, scooter pushes, and then forward stroking. I was very frustrated because I couldn't do swizzles or slaloms on my inline skates. So now I'm just going to get good at scooter pushes, forward stroking, backward stroking and stopping. I think stopping will be very helpful as then I can remove my back brake (which doesn't seem to be that helpful anyway). Maybe practicing a lot of stops will wear down my wheels faster so I can have a natural rocker. By that time, maybe I'll be ready to try to learn other ways to maneuver. Or maybe I'll buy a pair of rockered frames!
Similar for me. I started learning skating on the rockered 4x90 Decode 90 frame. With a rocker it’s so easy to correct an imbalance or a wrongly placed foot. I can’t imagine learning as quickly on a flat setup. Though I diverged in the other direction. After I found out my powerslide next boots could fit 3x125 on the Decode 90 frame, rockered, I am just skating this now. Agile, stable and smooth. Glides just like ice skating, but with all the grip of inline skating.
Thanks for the info mate, it’s good to know that rockered frame does really help beginners. I may have a student of my own soon, planning to give him my endless frames.
@@nikoblading I almost forgot, but probably good to mention, in the beginning I did feel pretty iffy when trying to do some straight medium/high speed skating on the rockered 4x90. It was difficult to prevent my feet from drifting off sideways unpredictably. But I think that direct feedback actually helped me a lot to quickly become conscious of how I was placing my weight on my feet.
@@FabiusPyromanus you're right that 3x110 is the official max of the decode90 frame. But I managed to make 125mm fit with the trinity frame on the powerslide next, by raising the boot slightly with some spacers between the boot and the frame. I explain more in a video on my channel. It's the most compact rockered 125mm I could ever fit on my skates, but it might not work with some other boots, and probably only with the trinity mount version of the frame.
I love my Endless 100. Right wheel size for speed, and slightly rockered for enough maneuverability. I also tried 125 wheels on it and I'm still not much used on it. 125mm wheels are just too heavy for me, I guess. But good thing Endless frames offer two available setups in just one frame set. I still use my 100mm wheels and I do daily on them as a bicycle alternative.
I started skating last summer after 20y. I bought 80 flat. To learn. But only 2 weeks in, i noticed my neighbor was starting to skate too, he did 15 to 20km around town on his 100's wizards. So i could not follow him very well 😅. I then bought a Rockin' mix 100/90 frame (front and back wheel 100, middle 90) and it's super. Agile for urban and some 'tricks' and fast enough for an occasional distance skate tour. Last week we did 40km in and around a city. My neighbor switched to 110, but he's 1m90+ and finds this superstable. I like my mix, best of both worlds, good hybrid. We do doubt to go 5x80 but for distance i don't think it will work. The only downside of my bigger wheels compared to 80's is, 80's are round and my 90/100 are 'bulletshape' so they get 'stuck' in-between the spaces of tiles... If you ride straight forward on sidewalks with these tiles.
Thanks for the comment. I do have 4x100m wizards but can't use them, they seem so heavy, I got used to my 90mm and now it's 80mm wheels. But you're right there, the larger the wheel the further you can go. The largest size I've ever had was 3x110mm, really enjoyed those. The distances you cover are really impressive. Also, if I remember correctly, the larger wheels are firmer than 80 and 90mm ones. At least I never had a problem finding 110mm wheels with 88a firmness, which is great for distance skating.
Started on a 4x80 flat setup. I was able to maneuver and slide with it. But once i got out of the parking garage with it I noticed it was hard to maintain speed. So i bought rockin 4100 frames with rockered. Speed and maneuverability was so much better. After a couple of months with it. I was curious to get back on the 4x80 flat setup but as soon as I tried the wizard moves i was doing with the 4x100 rockin frame i fell on my ass. It’s not as forgiving as a rockered frame for sure. I doubt i’ll ever be back on a flat setup again. Looking forward on trying the 5x80 rockered frames tho.
Thanks for sharing this mate, reading your comment made me smile as it corresponded with my experience. I'm also wondering what it would be to return to 4x80 flat setup. I know about 4x90 flat setup, it's like a truck, I'll use it later to build up more muscles. But I don't have any old 4x80 left. Maybe I should try some rental skates. Also, was interesting to know about your 4x100, I have the same on Adapt boot and wizard frame. But for some reason I'm completely miserable on that frame. The boot is loose on my foot. Your comment gives me hope I can still use that frame if I buy a better fitting boot. Re 5x80, I just received NN Dragon frame yesterday. Can't wait to test it out.
@@nikoblading you're right about that better fitting skates. I went the Liner route instead of the boots only because it's the cheapest route.. I tried 3 different Liners, the intuitionv2, themv4 and myfit 2ndskin. So i got a Stiff med volume, padded med volume and a thin low volume. If I need to fill space in my boots i would use the intuitionv2. if I needed more space i would use the 2ndskin. and to balance it all out an Insole and/or heelpads. I made the boots work for me with these configuration because I really like how they look and I didnt want to sacrifice that. If you have boots that is not far off the fit I suggest you try these methods. It'll save you lots of money. Looking forward to see you on your new NN dragons. Enjoy!
I agree with you 👍 in my case I have many set ups and the favourite for me is a ufs fr Anthony Poitier boot with a intuition liner and Kaizer rockered frames 4x90 to me is like driving a Ferrari.
I 100% agree that rockered skates should be beginners friendly I honestly feel experienced skaters who give advice how to start skating for beginner skaters Have forgotten what is important for beginners nor the technical know how For example the biggest problem for beginners is stability when standing still and weak ankles. So why are people recommending 3x110 Especially for people with large feet they can mostly only get large wheel setups Despite everyone knowing the closer you are to the ground the more stable you are. And let's not talk about how frame lenght relative to your foot size changes everything aswell
for me i think my 3x110 (243mm) wheelbase i get speed, agility, and maneuverability. i am also only 5'5'' so the shorter wheelbase length frame allows me not to compromise my form quality
I love 3x110 on the 234mm powerslide frame. Still 4x90 with natural rocker by endless ist also sick. For longer distances i go 3x110 for more casual skating i stick to my endless frame.... I didnt like the 3x110mm flat setup on the endless frame since 270mm is just to long for my taste....
Endless 90ES is the most overlooked/underrated frame imo... And my new fave 🥰 just between a 90's and 100's lenght it's almost as agile as the standard 90 but gives great extra stability for jumps or bombing hills, really not just for people with large feet... If you have trinity boot try the PS Combat 90, very fun frame too. As for tri-skates; to me only 125 makes sense, because these keep speed so well... 3x110 compared to 4x100 rockered feels slower, less stable with shorter wheelbase, less agile and higher off the ground 😅 But yeah, hard to find a good, low 125 setup... I use a modificated 110 frame with 284 wheelbase plus had to carve my FR boot too to make new 125's fit but now its so low it feels more like a regular 3x110... So fun if I just want to go all-out speed session or marathon 🤠
Thanks for your comment mate, I just checked out that Combat frame. Don't know how I didn't find it before, for some reason PS is not very actively promoting it, like Nexus frames for instance. But looks it totally deserves to be promoted, so many possible options for customising your rocker, a-mazing! Straight into my bucket list :P Re 125, I never tried it actually, during my first years of skating I was increasing wheels sizes, but something made me to reverse. It went like this 80 -> 90 -> 110 -> 90 -> 80, somewhere in the middle I decided to order endless frames, I remember they had shortage of production, so I had to wait few months, and this frame changed my skating.
@@nikoblading 😄 cool if I could show you something new... Yeah, don't know why PS is not promoting it more... I think it's the most inexpensive rockered frame out there... and it's fun to try out different settings (even so far I always went back to the most narural rocker 🤔).
the combat frame is good? I didn't find review on it... It seems a good compromise, way lighter than a wizard style 4x100, lower but almost as long (270mm 4x90 is a little short for me, I'm 2m tall). But no review to know if it's good, if the system is simple to use, if you don't nedd 45min when your change your wheels because of it etc
@@Dark_Oopa I think it's good quality frame, the walls are thinner but has bridges between each wheel so it's still a stiff frame... If you just turn the wheels it's easy enough, if you want to change the rocker it takes a bit longer only changing the rocker while wearing the skates is like a yoga lesson 🧘 It comes with aluminium torx axles (forgot if they included a tool or not). Ride height is almost equal to Rockin 4100 ufs on CJ boot, so not really low for a trinity frame... But if you already own a trinity boot will be a good option if you don't want 100's... There is even a chance you find a rocker you like better than any other frame could offer you... More agile with closer middle wheels or more stable with wider middle, or banana or something tilted... Definitively good value for money 👍🏻
I have one constant only - 3 wheels. Enjoying on 3x 100 mm now. No huge hills around so four wheels are clumsy like Titanic or Bismarck for my use. And sad true on the end - - - even the best inline skates are much worse than ice.
Haha, loved the titanic analogy. So far I compared the long frames to rails, and glue, but titanic also conveys the idea. Love it. I myself enjoyed 3x110m setup for a whole year. I can completely relate to your experience.
I have just started skating again after 23 years off. Today was session 6 and I tried my skates in a rockered setup and my left quad hurt all session. I dont know if it was the rocker, or because it was the third session in three days, or because Ive been doing a lot of power slide practice, or because Im just too damn old, or because I was working on stairs or some other reason...
It's great that you decided to re-start your skating. Just take it easy, don't underestimate the warm up. As for the rocker, I can't imagine why would it be the rocker that caused you pain. Actually the rocker makes it easier to propel, so I imagine your quad would be less stressed on a rockered frame.
Thanks ERenrico, I always use the hardest I can find. For the 90mm ones that’d be 85a, for 110mm ones I think it was 88a, and my current setup uses 80mm wheels is 85a. My preference goes to the least grippy one because I like slides.
I have diferent setup One with Rossignol boots and 4x100 hydrogen wheels with a rollerblade frame The other setup i have 4x80 Luminous. It,s a setup for freestyle but i like 90mm wheels even for urban/freestyle skating. For Slalom usualy i's better 80mm
Im in the market for my first 90mm frames... so are you saying you have trouble making parallel turns with 90mm flat setup? Like what moves make it feel like theyre "built like a truck?" I feel like ppl who do wizard skating techniques bash the flat setups... but if u want to do wizard, then u should have rockered. And if u dont wizard, you should go flat. Am i wrong here?
What is the actual millimeters of the rocker on endless 90 frames? Its like it's top secret information... they wont list it on their website or respond to emails. They say it's a "balanced" rocker which means nothing... No one will post the measurement online anywhere... Does anyone even know????
I skate for the calorie burn and for distance. I want to skate a marathon next year, so I love my flat 4x90 and 3x110. I may try a rockered setup when I get stronger. The new Rollerblade crossfire looks interesting. I would like to pair the boot with the endless 90 frames.
It does look nice I must say, I immediately want to buy it! Never tried rollerblade products so far. Also I may be wrong but it looks like they have their own mounting system.
just seen first 3 minutes of video must go so on first 3 minute , i think 4 x90 flat is more universal (than rocker ) for me (skating 2 to 5 hours ) 90 mm is too small i see 105 and 110 mm as the magic silver bullets. right frame length = taller you are longer frame first to last wheel any setup you compare its good to put an nice wheel on ,if you compare flat setup and grippy wheels its always les twitchy than rockerd i use medium grip wheels and an antirocker (front and back are 1.5mm down) and 257 mm frame 3* yesterday i was on 4*80 243 mm frame , i dont see them picking up speed faster the only advantage is hokey and if i could jump of an 2 meter tall building id go small wheels
Good question. Actually, that also depends on how strong your legs are. If you put me on 4x110 flat frame right now, after all my rockered frame experience, I'll go fast eventually, but acceleration will be pretty slow. I'm just not prepared for those frames. But speaking of just frames, the fastest option would be a combination of longer frame, bigger wheels, and it should be a flat setup. I remember testing out 4x90 vs 3x110 some time ago, both flat frames. Frame length was very different, 275mm for 4x90 and 243mm for 3x110. The speed was comparable, however, acceleration on 3x110 was much easier and quicker. So overall the feeling of the speed was better for 3x110 setup. However, you pay for that mad acceleration with stability, and the price is huge. So if you're talking about brutal speed (have a look at downhill skaters) and great stability, I'd recommend you to choose longer frame (wheels should be large too obviously). Check out what speed skaters use, e.g. @JoeyMantiaOfficial
I wonder how the sport would evolve if manufacturers started offering 4x90 and 5x76 rockered frames for beginners. I think people would have a much smoother learning curve and more of them would stick to skating as a hobby.
There is this possibility, at least I believe it could be a better deal for beginners. Talking about 1mm rocker obviously. Unfortunately those frames are too expensive for beginners, who don't even know if they gonna keep skating after few tries.
@@nikoblading Just shave down an old roller! And for beginner, I would suggest to reduce only the front ones, until the fear of falling backward disappear.
Wizard frames are too heavy. AD for advanced because they are better for wizard tricks especially toe/heel press. Endless good for city skate but not for wizard tricks because low height in the back wheel. Powerslide Trinity 3*100 231 frames are great. Stable and maneuverable. And very light and low.
Thanks for comment mate, that's very interesting. I have 4x100 wizard frame, but the boot is not good and the whole setup is so heavy that I find it hard to enjoy it altogether. Perhaps would be good for fitness. I really admire those who can do wizard stuff on 4x100 and 4x110 wizard frames.
@@nikoblading I wish I knew about iqon frames before investing in other frames which are now obsolete for me. What a joy iqon frames are. You can't go wrong with these. They need special bearings, but it's known that you can use regular bearings and 2 x 1.5mm thick washers per axle. I have both special bearings and regular bearings + washers and both run great. I really don't understand why Powerslide does not advertise iqon frames more
@@HeadNtheClouds Well, it appears that by removing the bearing bosses it's easier to manufacture this type of aluminum. Of course they can make some extra money by selling those special bearings... So why not ;)
Just do what I do. Take a pair of worn wheels and place them at the front and back of your flat frame. Put new wheels in the center and you have a flat frame rocker set up. when you want to replace your wheels, move the center ones to the outside and put the new ones in the middle as before. I never liked the extra height of rocker frames, especially when slalom skating.
Sounds like a great idea. Considering that flat rocker frames cost three times cheaper than the micro rockered ones. Could give it a try. 👍
I used to do it too, this natural rocker, but the rockering soon becomes way too aggressive for my taste, just like slalom skates.
Yes to worn-in wheels to create your own rocker!
When rockering increases due to wear, your wheels will be assorted from small to big:
1342
As soon as your skates feel too twitchy, change wheels to
1234
which at that point feels almost flat
and will wear down to 1342 again soon.
@nikoblading once your middle wheels wear you move them to outside and then you will be on anti-rocker setup (biggest wheels on outside) until u wear them in... this is what I do, but doesn't sound like u would like that...
Speaking as someone who has skated a lot on flat and rockered setups, if you feel that a flat setup is "heavy" or not manoeuvrable enough then I'm afraid it's just your technique that needs improvement. Rockered skates are great for slalom skating or a few wizard tricks, but if you are serious about street skating, keep away from the rocker. Flat setups allow you to be much more stable whether at speed, or in corners and they also allow you to do the amazing "double push". The latter is one of the single most awesome ways of maintaining high speed on skates over a distance and it looks good too. Very few street skaters do this properly. Stick with your flat setup and just skate more, you will get there in the end. 🙂
Hmm… In the world of machines, it’s often true that an older type of machine requires “better technique” than the newer ones. Those who learned on the older types might feel attached to them.
Newer machines are sometimes simply mechanically superior (meaning that they are easier to use because they are faster, lighter, less cumbersome, and require less overall effort).
If a better machine design comes around that has a lower bar of entry, I’m not sure that technique is the problem. It’s more likely the case that the new design is simply superior for the uses of that particular user.
I would argue that the rockered setup is superior for Niko’s riding style. It’s not his technique that needs fixing if he has no intent of wearing flat skates anymore.
The world changes and along with it we go, whether we’d like to or not.
The longer I skate the more I agree. Flat just feels very stable in the streets.
I'm a fitness/distance skater so 4x90 flat is my go to as it gives a good balance between speed, maneuverability and acceleration (hilly area). I also have a 4x84 flat setup that I use for more street skating and for practicing new slides and skills. I find the 255mm frame length gives good enough maneuverability without feeling like a slight shift in weight will have me falling backwards.
When I read your comment, I thought I had written this because I’m always talking about the 255mm 4x84 being perfect for shredding through the city & remaining maneuverable.
I completely agree. I had always only skated flat set ups and always felt like everything was so difficult, so heavy. So I got myself the Endless 84 and I absolutely love it’s subtle rocker. I’ve been evolving on my skating so much, feeling lighter and having so much fun! It’s a lot easier to learn how to skate with, that’s for sure.
Great review. You are a good skater. I’m still learning about rollerblading techniques and products.
I just subscribed. ❤
Most of the time a skate 4x100 or 4x90 flat bc fitness is my primary goal.
Short story:
A year ago I traded Powerslide Next skates for Powerslide Imperial which were too small for me and therefore remained unused for 5 years.
The Next came with a 3x100 setup in 231 length. It was a fantastic experience. A feather light setup with really fast acceleration and top speed, I was really impressed. There weren't even high quality wheels installed, the spinner wheels.
Unfortunately the Next boot didn't fit my foot well and I couldn't keep it, i had only two sessions with them but i can't get the setup out of my head since then.
I had ridden 3x110 (165mm) before but wasn't really convinced, it was just too high and clunky, it took the fun out of it.
However, 3x100 in connection with the Trinity system hit the sweet spot. Fun fact, 3x100 Trinity is lower than 4x90 165mm on FR1 boot, I measured it exactly.
Powerslide even brought out a 3x100 frame with a length of 250mm, seems even more perfect.
I wish there was a Trinity boot that fit my foot.
So you can consider such a 3x100 setup because it was very agile, manoeuvrable and fast, which is my main point.
Thanks for such an elaborate answer mate. Did you try Hardcore Evo boot? I seriously can't think of a better boot for me. I started with Next, but because of its form I always had pain in my toes. Only later I found out that heat gun can fix it, you don't even need to buy it, skate shops will do it for you. Recently I ordered Tau boot, I'll make a video about how it feels in comparison to Hardcore evo, so stay tuned. I also had Powerslide Swell, I loved that boot, how easy it was to put it on, but it was too loose on my foot, I wouldn't use it anymore.
I never tried 3x100 setup, only 4x100 which is too heavy for me, but would be a good fitness workout I imagine. I'll give it a shot in the future. I already ordered 5x80 rockered setup, need to test it out first. If it turns out useless for me, I may have a go with 3x100
@@nikoblading
In fact, I tried on the HC Evo but unfortunately found that it didn't fit, too little lateral support.
I should test the Tau, which is said to be narrower in the middle part. I'm curious what your verdict will be.
The FR1 fits me best, but only with the old type liner. Because of the 165mm mounting I'm now trying to get a 3x100 frame that is not too long but very low like Trinity.
The cool thing is there are plenty of good cheap 100mm on the market. In my town's classified ads I could immediately buy an unused Powerslide Softboot skate with Matter wheels in it for 15€, but I already have unused MPC wheels lying around, also bought for 15€.
I just compared setup weights again, between Next 4x80 and Next 100 there is only a 30g difference. That's why it felt so light
I just realised that youtube doesn't notifies me when I get replies... What a bummer.
The Tau boot is coming soon, it's in Germany right now, can't wait to get it in my hands. I have dragon frames already sitting here and waiting.
What exactly didn’t fit your feet with the next boot. I am about to order powerslide next 4x90 rockered but I am a bit nervous cause I have flat feet and often the boots are too tight on the middle of my feet. Do you think that will be a problem with the next boot?
@@unnamed5981 Ticky situation. The Next is not a wide boot but also not narrow. The Powerslide Imperial is narrow and the Powerslide Zoom is a wide boot. You might be on the safe side buying the Zoom, bc you could always make a skate tighter with angle booties.
I completely share your thoughts about this topic. I'm only using rockered frames and can't see myself using non swively flat frames again, specially because carving became a huge part of my skating style.
Love the quadriceps comment , it is so true. Ive been on 4x80 flat for 3 years now. 1st year was fun learning curve and improving my skills. This last year Ive been feeling like I need bigger wheels. 80mm just requires all your energy to get going and while its amazing feeling after couple hours of intense workout , u dont always want to be working out everytime you skate.
So for that reason im upgrading my entire setup from RollerBlade RB 80 Pro 4x80 stock to Powerslide HardcoreEvo Pro 4x90mm Endless Trinity LR. Made me smile when I heard you mention this setup in your video with such a praise.
Yes absolutely that setup is an absolute blast. I think I enjoyed it for almost two years. Currently I switched to 5x80mm, but I’m planning to keep 4x90 endless as my distance skating solution.
Really useful video! I have a flat 4x80 setup at present and was looking to move to 3x110 or 3x100 but you have got me thinking about 4x90 with a slight rocker. Thanks!
I loved seeing the new buildings in the harbour. I moved from Sydney to Perth in the beginning of covid and these areas were still under construction.
For me i agree on all points you mentionsled. I recently bought the Rollerblade Crossfire and right out of the box, the rockard set up was perfect. The boot dors unfortunately cramp my big toe 😢. I wear size 12 but the biggest size was 11.5/46EU. I wore thin socks so maybe more cushioned sock will stop the discomfort. Other than that the feel of the skate ia damn near perfect. And its super agile allowing a non pro like myself to move the way i need too.
Subbed!😁 I am changing from flat setups to rockered
Very interesting thoughts here... still don't know what would suit me the most but it helps
Lately, I've been using a Trinity 4x110 flat frame. I consider it optimal for speed (I live near a stadium). Over time, the muscles of the legs become stronger, so that the 4x110 can also be maneuvered.
That's really impressive. I believe speed runners use this kind of setups. I'll definitely explore those one day.
Wow... This surely demands a lot of power for turning, eh!?
I have skated (and still) flat, rockered, hockey, anti rocker setups and i would say its better to start off with flats to learn your foundations. Jumping straight into rockered setup is not wrong but you will lose some foundations. Hence why some wizard frames (or any alike brands like Endless, NN, YOYO etc..) say its for advance skaters. It would be an unpleasant feeling or a waste if you keep on falling on rockered setups. I mainly skate rockered on streets because i do a lot of wizard skating, provided that i started with flats and had no issues with basics. But this is your own experience which might differ from mine.
Just started last year and, wow, I did not know there are all these setups....
So you have the most exciting stuff ahead of you mate. For me discovering 1mm rockered frames was like rediscovering inline skating. Also there are so many options now, wizards, ninjas, endless, powerslide, ....
4x 80mm rockered or 4x90 mm rockered is the best all-around setups. 90mm for more long-distance speed and 80mm for more agility maneuverability.
I am lucky enough to have bought different set-ups.... I have a rockered Wizard Frame, 5 wheels, 100-80-80-80-100 for fun and manouverabilty. I also have a flat set-up 4x110mm speed skates for speed/long distance activites.
I started out on a flat 4x80mm (243mm) frame with a cheap boot rivetted on it. My foot size being 44 and a half (285mm) I frequently fell backwards since the back wheel was right under my heel. After that I got myself the 4x90mm Next setup you started on, the only difference being I used 90mm UC White wheels with it. This is my second year on that setup and it really feels stable to me. Granted I have no interest in wizard skating and I mainly focus on cityskating, I feel this setup has met all my needs in stability, speed and comfort. I do get your point about the quads tho, they have grown since. I have tried rockered frames and they always feel unstable to me at high speeds. I don't mean downhill skating, but If I find myself in an empty park with a rockered skate it starts to feel really unstable. This is the main reason I am not planning on using rockered frames, the shakes at high speeds are something that's inherent in those frames, and I skate fast a lot. My recommendation to anyone starting or choosing a new setup is to evaluate your needs, where you will be skating and what you will be doing on skates. Both flat and rockered frames have their merits and deficiencies, so do your research. If you choose the wrong setup, the chances of never skating it are really high.
Great point mate. This is exactly the topic I wanted to raise in one of my next videos. I'll refer to your comment if you don't mind. Basically, the crucial difference is that on a rockered frame, the stability of the skate becomes your concern, and you have to really focus on it in the beginning because it does get shaky at high speeds. Whereas on a flat setup, most of the stability of your foot comes from the grip between the wheels and the surface. I do remember my first times on a rockered setup; it did feel a bit scary during downhill descents, especially when I did it for the first time without even realizing that the stability of the skate is now my problem.
Thanks for the elaborate comment!
@@nikoblading I don't mind at all. I do have limited experience with rockered frames, so I am looking forward to seeing more on the topic
I prefer the flat setup rather than slalom 😂😂😂
I had a similar experience. Skated 3x110, 3x125, 4x100 and 4x90 for urban and distance. The 4x90 (rockered for urban, flat for distance) is the sweet spot for me.
It is a fantastic setup I agree. Can you tell me which 4x90 rockered frame you using. Is it endless by any chance?
@@nikoblading no, actually the Iqon decode 90. Swapping the axles to go from flat to rockered on the same setup. I need the setup both for distance and urban on a Seba SX.
@@art0nblades ah cool, nexus and katana frames from powerslide have a similar way of going from flat to rockered, I have a couple of those. But Iqon frames support much more configurations, which makes them stand out.
@@nikoblading and they are exteremely solid (I the UFS version with no cutouts on a Seba SX). The rockering works as well. Not as good as a Wizard frames or the like, but its a solid jack of all trades.
I learned how to ice skate several years ago at age 50. It was very challenging but after a couple years I am now pretty good! I’m no pro but most people are surprised to learn that I haven’t been skating since I was a kid. Anyway this spring I decided to try roller blading. I bought RB cruisers and I have a brand new tennis court nearby to try them out. I’ve gone out twice and am finding it very difficult. Way harder than ice skating. Just doing some basic things that beginner ice skaters do like swizzles, turns, stops, slaloms are really hard. It’s like they are too stable. My feet get stuck in place but the rest of the body keeps and I end up on the ground. But I’m going to give it a couple months before I try a different set up. There’s probably some value in learning how to manage with flat set ups.
Enjoyed reading your comment, as I can relate to your experience 100%. I did ice skating for years, I had a couple of ice hockey boots, then I had Jackson skates for figure skating.
And similarly I bought my first roller blades 80mm flat setup of course, and it was just as you described it. I would also define this experience like being on rails.
If you try 80 or 90mm slightly rockered frame, let’s say endless or ninja frames, you’ll be surprised how much closer they are to your ice skating experience. Or alternatively you can take the most worn out wheels and place them to the front and back or your frame, thus making your own rocker.
Good luck mate, I hope you’ll find your best setup.
@@nikoblading Being on rails! Yes! That's exactly how it feels. I'm definitely going to try different things. Is there any reason why I shouldn't simply swap out the front and back wheels with slightly smaller wheels? Would the difference be too rockered? Is that why people choose rockered frames over swapping out wheels?
It will be too much rockered, what you need is 1mm difference, if it’s more than that it’ll become a slalom frame, too agile, too unstable. What you could also do is to buy 4 new wheels and put them in the middle of both frames, thus the front and the back wheels will be slightly elevated. Actually someone left me a comment about that, how to make your own rocker. Sounds like a good idea.
@@nikoblading That sounds like a great plan. Thanks so much for you help!
@@nikoblading Hi! I thought I'd follow up with some recent observations that you might find interesting since you're a teacher. I think my big mistake in learning inline skating is that I assumed you'd go by the same process as learning how to ice skate. In ice skating, you learn how to do 2-foot glides, then swizzles, then half-swizzles, then slaloms, scooter pushes, and then forward stroking. I was very frustrated because I couldn't do swizzles or slaloms on my inline skates. So now I'm just going to get good at scooter pushes, forward stroking, backward stroking and stopping. I think stopping will be very helpful as then I can remove my back brake (which doesn't seem to be that helpful anyway). Maybe practicing a lot of stops will wear down my wheels faster so I can have a natural rocker. By that time, maybe I'll be ready to try to learn other ways to maneuver. Or maybe I'll buy a pair of rockered frames!
Similar for me. I started learning skating on the rockered 4x90 Decode 90 frame. With a rocker it’s so easy to correct an imbalance or a wrongly placed foot. I can’t imagine learning as quickly on a flat setup.
Though I diverged in the other direction. After I found out my powerslide next boots could fit 3x125 on the Decode 90 frame, rockered, I am just skating this now. Agile, stable and smooth. Glides just like ice skating, but with all the grip of inline skating.
Thanks for the info mate, it’s good to know that rockered frame does really help beginners. I may have a student of my own soon, planning to give him my endless frames.
@@nikoblading I almost forgot, but probably good to mention, in the beginning I did feel pretty iffy when trying to do some straight medium/high speed skating on the rockered 4x90. It was difficult to prevent my feet from drifting off sideways unpredictably. But I think that direct feedback actually helped me a lot to quickly become conscious of how I was placing my weight on my feet.
Can you fit 3x125 on the 4x90 decode? I thought it was only 3x110?
@@FabiusPyromanus you're right that 3x110 is the official max of the decode90 frame. But I managed to make 125mm fit with the trinity frame on the powerslide next, by raising the boot slightly with some spacers between the boot and the frame. I explain more in a video on my channel. It's the most compact rockered 125mm I could ever fit on my skates, but it might not work with some other boots, and probably only with the trinity mount version of the frame.
@@InlinePilot Saw your video. Thanks for uploading!
I love my Endless 100. Right wheel size for speed, and slightly rockered for enough maneuverability. I also tried 125 wheels on it and I'm still not much used on it. 125mm wheels are just too heavy for me, I guess. But good thing Endless frames offer two available setups in just one frame set.
I still use my 100mm wheels and I do daily on them as a bicycle alternative.
I started skating last summer after 20y. I bought 80 flat. To learn. But only 2 weeks in, i noticed my neighbor was starting to skate too, he did 15 to 20km around town on his 100's wizards. So i could not follow him very well 😅. I then bought a Rockin' mix 100/90 frame (front and back wheel 100, middle 90) and it's super. Agile for urban and some 'tricks' and fast enough for an occasional distance skate tour. Last week we did 40km in and around a city. My neighbor switched to 110, but he's 1m90+ and finds this superstable. I like my mix, best of both worlds, good hybrid. We do doubt to go 5x80 but for distance i don't think it will work. The only downside of my bigger wheels compared to 80's is, 80's are round and my 90/100 are 'bulletshape' so they get 'stuck' in-between the spaces of tiles... If you ride straight forward on sidewalks with these tiles.
Thanks for the comment. I do have 4x100m wizards but can't use them, they seem so heavy, I got used to my 90mm and now it's 80mm wheels. But you're right there, the larger the wheel the further you can go. The largest size I've ever had was 3x110mm, really enjoyed those.
The distances you cover are really impressive. Also, if I remember correctly, the larger wheels are firmer than 80 and 90mm ones. At least I never had a problem finding 110mm wheels with 88a firmness, which is great for distance skating.
Started on a 4x80 flat setup. I was able to maneuver and slide with it. But once i got out of the parking garage with it I noticed it was hard to maintain speed. So i bought rockin 4100 frames with rockered. Speed and maneuverability was so much better. After a couple of months with it. I was curious to get back on the 4x80 flat setup but as soon as I tried the wizard moves i was doing with the 4x100 rockin frame i fell on my ass. It’s not as forgiving as a rockered frame for sure. I doubt i’ll ever be back on a flat setup again. Looking forward on trying the 5x80 rockered frames tho.
Thanks for sharing this mate, reading your comment made me smile as it corresponded with my experience. I'm also wondering what it would be to return to 4x80 flat setup. I know about 4x90 flat setup, it's like a truck, I'll use it later to build up more muscles. But I don't have any old 4x80 left. Maybe I should try some rental skates.
Also, was interesting to know about your 4x100, I have the same on Adapt boot and wizard frame. But for some reason I'm completely miserable on that frame. The boot is loose on my foot. Your comment gives me hope I can still use that frame if I buy a better fitting boot.
Re 5x80, I just received NN Dragon frame yesterday. Can't wait to test it out.
@@nikoblading you're right about that better fitting skates. I went the Liner route instead of the boots only because it's the cheapest route.. I tried 3 different Liners, the intuitionv2, themv4 and myfit 2ndskin. So i got a Stiff med volume, padded med volume and a thin low volume. If I need to fill space in my boots i would use the intuitionv2. if I needed more space i would use the 2ndskin. and to balance it all out an Insole and/or heelpads. I made the boots work for me with these configuration because I really like how they look and I didnt want to sacrifice that. If you have boots that is not far off the fit I suggest you try these methods. It'll save you lots of money. Looking forward to see you on your new NN dragons. Enjoy!
I agree with you 👍 in my case I have many set ups and the favourite for me is a ufs fr Anthony Poitier boot with a intuition liner and Kaizer rockered frames 4x90 to me is like driving a Ferrari.
It found Kizer flux 4x90 rockered on the web, is it the one? Looks pretty cool actually
Is the kaizer ufs element 4x90 , very light weight and good quality also very nice price👍 is cut From one piece of aluminum .
I 100% agree that rockered skates should be beginners friendly
I honestly feel experienced skaters who give advice how to start skating for beginner skaters
Have forgotten what is important for beginners nor the technical know how
For example the biggest problem for beginners is stability when standing still and weak ankles.
So why are people recommending 3x110
Especially for people with large feet they can mostly only get large wheel setups
Despite everyone knowing the closer you are to the ground the more stable you are.
And let's not talk about how frame lenght relative to your foot size changes everything aswell
3x125 Flying Eagle Ultrasonic frames on FR3.
for me i think my 3x110 (243mm) wheelbase i get speed, agility, and maneuverability. i am also only 5'5'' so the shorter wheelbase length frame allows me not to compromise my form quality
I love 3x110 on the 234mm powerslide frame. Still 4x90 with natural rocker by endless ist also sick.
For longer distances i go 3x110 for more casual skating i stick to my endless frame....
I didnt like the 3x110mm flat setup on the endless frame since 270mm is just to long for my taste....
Endless 90ES is the most overlooked/underrated frame imo... And my new fave 🥰 just between a 90's and 100's lenght it's almost as agile as the standard 90 but gives great extra stability for jumps or bombing hills, really not just for people with large feet... If you have trinity boot try the PS Combat 90, very fun frame too.
As for tri-skates; to me only 125 makes sense, because these keep speed so well... 3x110 compared to 4x100 rockered feels slower, less stable with shorter wheelbase, less agile and higher off the ground 😅 But yeah, hard to find a good, low 125 setup... I use a modificated 110 frame with 284 wheelbase plus had to carve my FR boot too to make new 125's fit but now its so low it feels more like a regular 3x110... So fun if I just want to go all-out speed session or marathon 🤠
Thanks for your comment mate, I just checked out that Combat frame. Don't know how I didn't find it before, for some reason PS is not very actively promoting it, like Nexus frames for instance. But looks it totally deserves to be promoted, so many possible options for customising your rocker, a-mazing! Straight into my bucket list :P
Re 125, I never tried it actually, during my first years of skating I was increasing wheels sizes, but something made me to reverse. It went like this 80 -> 90 -> 110 -> 90 -> 80, somewhere in the middle I decided to order endless frames, I remember they had shortage of production, so I had to wait few months, and this frame changed my skating.
@@nikoblading 😄 cool if I could show you something new... Yeah, don't know why PS is not promoting it more... I think it's the most inexpensive rockered frame out there... and it's fun to try out different settings (even so far I always went back to the most narural rocker 🤔).
the combat frame is good?
I didn't find review on it...
It seems a good compromise, way lighter than a wizard style 4x100, lower but almost as long (270mm 4x90 is a little short for me, I'm 2m tall).
But no review to know if it's good, if the system is simple to use, if you don't nedd 45min when your change your wheels because of it etc
@@Dark_Oopa I think it's good quality frame, the walls are thinner but has bridges between each wheel so it's still a stiff frame... If you just turn the wheels it's easy enough, if you want to change the rocker it takes a bit longer only changing the rocker while wearing the skates is like a yoga lesson 🧘
It comes with aluminium torx axles (forgot if they included a tool or not).
Ride height is almost equal to Rockin 4100 ufs on CJ boot, so not really low for a trinity frame... But if you already own a trinity boot will be a good option if you don't want 100's... There is even a chance you find a rocker you like better than any other frame could offer you... More agile with closer middle wheels or more stable with wider middle, or banana or something tilted... Definitively good value for money 👍🏻
@@ericbernardi8116 thx.
Ride height is weird tho
I have one constant only - 3 wheels. Enjoying on 3x 100 mm now. No huge hills around so four wheels are clumsy like Titanic or Bismarck for my use. And sad true on the end - - - even the best inline skates are much worse than ice.
Haha, loved the titanic analogy. So far I compared the long frames to rails, and glue, but titanic also conveys the idea. Love it.
I myself enjoyed 3x110m setup for a whole year. I can completely relate to your experience.
I have just started skating again after 23 years off.
Today was session 6 and I tried my skates in a rockered setup and my left quad hurt all session.
I dont know if it was the rocker, or because it was the third session in three days, or because Ive been doing a lot of power slide practice, or because Im just too damn old, or because I was working on stairs or some other reason...
It's great that you decided to re-start your skating. Just take it easy, don't underestimate the warm up.
As for the rocker, I can't imagine why would it be the rocker that caused you pain. Actually the rocker makes it easier to propel, so I imagine your quad would be less stressed on a rockered frame.
@@nikoblading We may bump into each other somewhere along the way. I recognise most of the spots in the videos of yours that I have watched so far.
Hi , congratulations on the interesting discussion. What hardness of wheels do you use?
Thanks ERenrico, I always use the hardest I can find. For the 90mm ones that’d be 85a, for 110mm ones I think it was 88a, and my current setup uses 80mm wheels is 85a. My preference goes to the least grippy one because I like slides.
I agree with you. I reckon in 5 years most skates will come with a 1mm rocker by default.
Hi Niko!!!
I have diferent setup
One with Rossignol boots and 4x100 hydrogen wheels with a rollerblade frame
The other setup i have 4x80 Luminous. It,s a setup for freestyle but i like 90mm wheels even for urban/freestyle skating. For Slalom usualy i's better 80mm
Would love to try hydrogen wheels. Everybody is talking about them. Gotta try...
Im in the market for my first 90mm frames... so are you saying you have trouble making parallel turns with 90mm flat setup? Like what moves make it feel like theyre "built like a truck?" I feel like ppl who do wizard skating techniques bash the flat setups... but if u want to do wizard, then u should have rockered. And if u dont wizard, you should go flat. Am i wrong here?
So non-rockered would be better for beginners then?
4:50 "why don't want a flat rocker?"
do you mean why you don't want 'normal' flat frame?
how much top speed do you loose with rockered?
What is the actual millimeters of the rocker on endless 90 frames? Its like it's top secret information... they wont list it on their website or respond to emails. They say it's a "balanced" rocker which means nothing... No one will post the measurement online anywhere... Does anyone even know????
I skate for the calorie burn and for distance. I want to skate a marathon next year, so I love my flat 4x90 and 3x110.
I may try a rockered setup when I get stronger. The new Rollerblade crossfire looks interesting. I would like to pair the boot with the endless 90 frames.
It does look nice I must say, I immediately want to buy it! Never tried rollerblade products so far. Also I may be wrong but it looks like they have their own mounting system.
just seen first 3 minutes of video must go
so on first 3 minute , i think 4 x90 flat is more universal (than rocker )
for me (skating 2 to 5 hours ) 90 mm is too small
i see 105 and 110 mm as the magic silver bullets. right frame length = taller you are longer frame first to last wheel
any setup you compare its good to put an nice wheel on ,if you compare flat setup and grippy wheels its always les twitchy than rockerd
i use medium grip wheels and an antirocker (front and back are 1.5mm down) and 257 mm frame 3*
yesterday i was on 4*80 243 mm frame , i dont see them picking up speed faster the only advantage is hokey and if i could jump of an 2 meter tall building id go small wheels
thank you for comment mate, spot on re height
Which setup is the faster one ?
Good question. Actually, that also depends on how strong your legs are. If you put me on 4x110 flat frame right now, after all my rockered frame experience, I'll go fast eventually, but acceleration will be pretty slow. I'm just not prepared for those frames.
But speaking of just frames, the fastest option would be a combination of longer frame, bigger wheels, and it should be a flat setup.
I remember testing out 4x90 vs 3x110 some time ago, both flat frames. Frame length was very different, 275mm for 4x90 and 243mm for 3x110. The speed was comparable, however, acceleration on 3x110 was much easier and quicker. So overall the feeling of the speed was better for 3x110 setup. However, you pay for that mad acceleration with stability, and the price is huge. So if you're talking about brutal speed (have a look at downhill skaters) and great stability, I'd recommend you to choose longer frame (wheels should be large too obviously). Check out what speed skaters use, e.g. @JoeyMantiaOfficial
@@nikoblading thanks for answer!
I wonder how the sport would evolve if manufacturers started offering 4x90 and 5x76 rockered frames for beginners. I think people would have a much smoother learning curve and more of them would stick to skating as a hobby.
There is this possibility, at least I believe it could be a better deal for beginners. Talking about 1mm rocker obviously. Unfortunately those frames are too expensive for beginners, who don't even know if they gonna keep skating after few tries.
@@nikoblading Just shave down an old roller!
And for beginner, I would suggest to reduce only the front ones, until the fear of falling backward disappear.
Wizard frames are too heavy. AD for advanced because they are better for wizard tricks especially toe/heel press. Endless good for city skate but not for wizard tricks because low height in the back wheel. Powerslide Trinity 3*100 231 frames are great. Stable and maneuverable. And very light and low.
Thanks for comment mate, that's very interesting. I have 4x100 wizard frame, but the boot is not good and the whole setup is so heavy that I find it hard to enjoy it altogether. Perhaps would be good for fitness. I really admire those who can do wizard stuff on 4x100 and 4x110 wizard frames.
flat
why has'nt anyone said anything about the full hour of just black screen
Thanks for saying mate, I’ll trim it.
Iqon decode 90 pro. The only frame you will ever need
Thanks for mentioning mate, I does look pretty serious
@@nikoblading I wish I knew about iqon frames before investing in other frames which are now obsolete for me. What a joy iqon frames are. You can't go wrong with these. They need special bearings, but it's known that you can use regular bearings and 2 x 1.5mm thick washers per axle. I have both special bearings and regular bearings + washers and both run great. I really don't understand why Powerslide does not advertise iqon frames more
@@nicolaeiotu7362why did iqon make their frames with wider than standard frames?
So, that frame support three different setups. And all of them with a 1mm rocker. Incredible.
@@HeadNtheClouds Well, it appears that by removing the bearing bosses it's easier to manufacture this type of aluminum. Of course they can make some extra money by selling those special bearings... So why not ;)
How much money have you dipped into all this lol?
hard to say, few bucks :-D I did that over 3 years time
I'm a aggressive skater. Your wheels are way too big :)
Ha ha, totally mate. But considering my trend of reducing wheel size every year now, seems that I'll end up on agressive skating scene very soon.
There’s no such thing as a flat setup after 3 weeks
true that
Wizard skating is a scam
私は最初ツイスターの3*110を買って走ってました。その後iponの4*90のロッカーフレームを買いました。
nikoさんと全く同じ考えです。 他のフレームを色々買う前にこの動画と出会えて感謝します。