HOW DO FRAMES IMPACT INLINE SKATE PERFORMANCE
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- HOW DO FRAMES IMPACT INLINE SKATE PERFORMANCE
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In this video I answer the questions - What are the frames on inline skates and how do frames impact the maneuverability and stability of a skate?
The factors that impact performance are base length, effective contact, height and rocker.
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Perfect explanation, I love my Wizards I skate them everyday.
I am glad it made sense.
Wow. This got awfully technical. I honestly did t know that much was involved. Thanks Shaun for getting us in the know.
I hope it made sense. I was confusing myself.
Thank you, Shaun. Great tutorial as always! Hope everything is fine, and look forward to your returnning.
iam very new to inline skating and i saw this video. I had to change wheels on my skates so i thought let's try only two wheels(front and back) altough I don't feel much difference usually i really felt this difference. The skates really just want to follow the line they where put in. Thanks for the great explanation and keep up the good work.
Hi Shaun. Good to see you! First of all thank you for your videos. Watching from Italy I have to say: I'm so happy you're not American! A video like this would have been soooo confusing with their feet, inches, quarter inches and so on.. I usually give up trying to understand, ahah.
Again, thank you!
Haha! I use both metric and US imperial. It does get really confusing.
I just discovered this site a few days ago and have been binging ever since. Great technical info, exhilarating skating videos and a charming host. Bravo.
+Chris Holly thank you Chris!
Would love to have more videos about understanding how different parts in your skates change how they handle.
And which is more preferred for what type of skating.
This was great video.
Would love a playlist for these types of videos
Wow! What a tutorial 👏👏👏🙏
Dude, that idea at the end for 60mm wheels on the seba frame is awesome, I think I'll try it out.
Great video, really informative. Keep up the great work :)
I ended up explaining the whole height thing today at the rink while changing my 80mm wheels to 72mm (which are worn to 69mm now). No need for the speed of the 80s and the lower ride height made them much snappier and generally fun to roll on. Back to 80mm for getting to work though, 72mm wheels don't roll as well over small pebbles.
This was an amazing explanation!
My go to channel on TH-cam whenever I need excellent, clear explanations about anything skate related. AND easily one of my favorite skaters on all of TH-cam. Your vids are much appreciated, tyvm!
Thank you very very much for explaining frames. This is exactly what I needed. Perfect!
Thanks for explaining in detail. I have been following your channel from a longer period . It's an amazing experience to learn from your videos. Recently I bought seba high light v2, and when i was checking the distributor list on the box, I was surprised to find your shop for the Canada region. Keep it up....!!
Thanks, brother! Congratulations on the new skates.
You're a star. Thanks for this :)
Thanks Shaun! Informative! Especially the effective contact and rockered relationship! Keep it up! :)
This wass sooo helpful!! Thank you!!
You are an excellent teacher. Thank you...
Now I get more clear about frames, but .... how can I improve my maneuverability without losing my speed ?? .... it will work if I use a front rocker set up??? Something like 3x80mm + 76mm ... that will help or not???? .... sorry for my bad English I'm from chile.... nice video.
Vamos falar sobre bases. As bases são as responsáveis por fixar as rodas com a bota. Mais do que isso, elas posicionam as rodas embaixo dos seus pés! Algumas bases podem ser ajustadas para um lado ou outro, para frente ou mais para trás, trazendo diferentes resultados. Quando se fala de performance e como isso impactará sua performance, estamos falando sobre estabilidade x mobilidade. Vamos deixar de lado por ora a velocidade. A estabilidade seria a resistência à mudanças, quão firme a base segura a posição. Se vc estiver descendo uma ladeira em alta velocidade, vc não vai querer uma base que mude de direção com facilidade. Já a mobilidade é a capacidade de facilmente mudar de direção . Se vc gosta de slalom, vc vai querer mudar de direção rapidamente e em pequenos espaços, como nos cones.
2 fatores devem ser levados em consideração - a distância entre a 1a e última roda e a altura da base. A relação é bastante simples de se compreender - quanto mais longa a base, mais estável ela será. Entretanto, quanto mais longa a base, menos mobilidade ela terá. Uma base curta, será menos estável, mas terá aolta mobilidade, podendo fazer curvas pequenas e fechadas. O espaçamento entre as rodas também afeta a estabilidade. Quanto menor o espaçamento entre rodas, mais mobilidade ela terá. Assim, um patins que tenha uma base desenhada para rodas 80mm que tenha espaçamento mínimo de 1mm entre elas terá mais mobilidade que outra base de 80mm que tenha um espaçamento de 2mm entre rodas.
A altura da base não afeta tanto sob o aspecto de estabilidade antero-posterior, mas sim para o latero-lateral. Quando vc coloca a pressão do pé num patins com uma base alta, vai sentir uma inclinação lateral muito maior que numa base mais baixa. Numa base baixa, a inclinação lateral é bem menos dramática. Se vc estiver em uma base mais baixa, vc estará mais perto do chão, o que pode ser interessante se considerar uma queda...
Sobre a possibilidade de misturar alturas das rodas - o famoso rocker, rockeado, rockear - Se vc colocar as rodas 1 e a 4 em alturas ligeiramente menores que as do meio, terá menos pontos de contato com o chão, trazendo muito mais mobilidade ao patins, mas tirando sua estabilidade - vc não quer descer uma ladeira em alta velocidade com um patins assim. Já se fizer o anti-rocker, terá as rodas do meio mais baixas, tendo somente as rodas das pontas em contato com o chão, ou seja, a extensão máxima da base dividida em somente dois pontos - dessa forma o patins fica muito mais estável no chão, quase que grudado, tornando as curvas muito mais difíceis de serem realizadas.
Outra brincadeira interessante é a possibilidade de se brincar com o tamanho das rodas. Se seu patins comporta rodas de até 80mm, nada impede que vc as substitua por rodas de 52mm - terá um patins bem mais próximo do chão, mais lento e estável. Talvez seja uma boa opção se vc é um iniciante e não tem pressa em aprender.
Obrigado.
Great video Shaun 👌 Those Wizard 100s are a thing of beauty! Hope to buy that exact set up this year 🤞
Thank you. That was an excellent video. You answered some of the queries that I had. Keep up your great work.
Thank you so much!
I think the OOxO frame for three wheels is pretty optimal, it's almost as if it's a rockered setup, you pivot on the last 2 wheels and get a longer frame for stability and speed, while turning easier than a shorter 3 wheel frame.
In theory, at least, I have bladed on anything but 4wheels since these stingray frames.
Great info. Just got some 240/80mm ground control frames for cruising. Thought about going with 270mm but I didn't want to feel like I was on "tracks." 240mm is kind of squirrely, it's fun though but I definitely wouldn't recommend it for someone new, they'd probably hate the way it feels, super loose and maneuverable. If you happen to read this I'd love to hear your thoughts on 240mm for someone who is a size 9.5 (25.4 cm shoe size). Wonder if 270mm is more appropriate but I don't regret getting 240mm.
Awesome amount of info for a gear but like me! Great video
What is the longest frame I can go for when I want to have the best compromise between speed and maneuver (by maneuver I mean crossing feet, jumping backwards, going back for some time etc. and not aggressive skating or stairs jumping). I appreciate your response!!!
Great video, really informative, thank you :D
My pleasure!
Very Interesting & Enjoyed !!!
Thanks Beverly!
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yeah... perfect explanation bro, greetings from the future
informative and educational,
Hi, can you try banana rocker on triskates?
thanks, I needed that 🤗
My pleasure Roy!
Hey Shaun. Can I create a rocker with 76 and 72mm wheels on a straight frame ? BTW love your vids. Hope to get to your place once.
More maneuverable then stable for me. But I can play with both. Love the video. A lot of good information here. Nice job! :-)
Thanks, James.
Your ability to formulate your thinking is impressive. Also, is a 76mm and 80mm too much of a difference for a rocker.
76/80/80/76 is not too much of a rocker. It works out to be the same rocker distribution as a traditional rockered frame such as the Seba Deluxe Rockered frame.
Thank you for the nice comment.
is it possible to change the position of the UFS frame? cause i think i should change it a bit. a few mm outside. But there is no way to do it, just one position, I feel not so stable like this, with every ssm frames i change a bit outside, for my ankle problems.. I mam Seba SX 4x80mm.
There are no UFS frames that you can change the position. You could try modifying the frame.
Hi Shaun, thanks for explaining this..I have a major question about frames..n specially face a huge problem with my smaller slalom frames & wheels..Don't have the same problem yet with my large wheels n frames..So here's my question- about the 'Axles' How tight is too tight? I'm either having to choose between tight, stable slow or barely rotating wheels (they rotate when I stand on it, but not much in the air) Or fast rotating unstable shaky wheels (wheel out) !! Please help or post about it in your next video, will be of great help :)
Thanks again, Namaste.
Brennen Thomas, Mumbai ;)
Thanks mate
So for beginner Which frame are good ?
Thanks
Can I talk abt the different kinds of wheel set up to create rocket, for example 2 76mm at the end of the frame and 2 80mm in the middle
Thank you for this great informative video. Could you please enlighten us on the performance impact of side and front/back position of the frame?
Hey Simon
I will include this info on future video but here is a simple breakdown.
Moving the frame side to side will change the edging position. For instance you could move the frame to the outside of your foot to give you a stronger inside edge or vice versa. Many people position the frame on the inside of their foot to give you a stronger double push.
Moving the frame forward or backward will change the front back balance and the maneuvering of the skate. If you move the frame forward you will be able to more easily be able to position your weight into the heels for turns or slides. This positioning will also allow you to have a strong finish with your push because you toe wheels will have better contact at the end of you stride. However, you would be more likely to fall backwards.
@@FlowSkate Thank you very much Shaun!
Thanks for the indepth explanation. The front rocker of the wizard 100 has 1mm. What is the distance of the back wheel?
love it. at the rate im learning from you, you are my sensei. i might start buying from you to show my support
Why no one makes asymetrical ones
Nice
i have a question.
why every time i lock my frame so tight, the wheels not rotating as well? but if im not lock my frame too tight the wheel rotating good but the axle on frame not lock the frame so good.?
is the bearing with rubber shield effect to my frame?
Lock tight is a product you can get at a hardware store to keep the screws loose but stop from unscrewing
Are there skate that allow the use of a frame for agressive inline and tri-skate??
Thanks Shaun! Very informative. Quick question though, can I attach a Wizard frame to Seba's FR2?
if boots have 2 screws one on the front and one on the back yes
Thanks for the info, Shaun, good as usual but I was wondering if you by chance avoid 3-wheel stuff ?
If I was entering a race, I would go for a trix 310. 3-wheels are by far the most efficient setup. Lightweight, low rolling resistance, huge wheels. However, they don't manoeuvre that well and they are very unstable.
Thanks for the reply. I still love urban 3-wds shorter base though and on a bad tarmac here bigger wheels matter. Keep up the good work.
Hello,Good video man can u ùake ea tutorial about the pistol figure ?
Thank you. I will start to think about the pistol figure and see if I have any insight to share.
I’m interested in seeing how a frame the same length as a skateboard but only 4 wheels.
hello, is there a break down on just wizard frame sizing. in the sizing i am suppose to get nr110 but i wanted to know how it would be if i got nr100. also, what is your boot size? thanks man
It would ok to go for the NR100. As a guideline we recommend getting a frame that a bit longer than your foot. However, if you prefer more maneuverability you can go for a shorter frame.
Fantastic! what's the first model you take in hands?
Seba Igor. The new Igor skates are made by FR Skates.
Cool ! thank you sir
Hi Shaun,
Having tried nr110 vs nr100 can you highlight the difference? I’m 1.7m and boot size 40.
I do know shop task recommend it base on boot size and height. I already have nr100 using it weekly for urban skating for 30km.
Also how do you repair wears on side of the skate that slide pad doesn’t protect. I edge deeply on my inner side of the boots and it’s wearing
I am in a 41eu boot and I am similar height to you. After using the NR110 I am certain that the best frame for myself or someone of similar size is the NR100.
I do not feel noticeably more stable on the longer frame with the larger wheels. I have more difficulty controlling the edges on the NR110 because the extra height. I end up getting too far down on slides and have a tendency to slip out. The NR110 carries more speed but it is heavier and more work to accelerate.
Don't get me wrong I am really enjoying the longer frame for leaning back and rolling on my heels or pivoting on the front and back. But overall I prefer the NR100.
Shop Task
Thank you very much for your helpful response. That make sense :)
How about front rocker and back rocker? =3
Could anyone tell me what skate he is showing at 6:07 / 10:15 please? And if anyone would like a skate holiday in Perth let me know, i could use a buddy. free acc. 1/3 City with most Sunlight/day :)
wait is my maths wrong ? says on ur website , that the NR100's are 303mm long but if their a 101mm spacing between each wheel/axel and theres 4 axels doesnt that add up to 404mm.....
Yes your maths is wrong, because axle 1 -2 101mm, 1-3 202mm, 1-4 303mm therefore it would add to 303mm not 404mm
@@Dansnox i already realized this lol but still there is a couple mm between the edge of the frame and the 1st / 4th axle , so it still cant be 303mm exactly
metal frames for aggressive riders? who mostly ride street
Plastic is definitely better for grinding ledges.
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