He understood the frustration of Luciano and show him by shouting: "Yes!" You must be stoic around powerful emotions. It's hard, but pays in the long term.
@@BigA678 Meyer wasn't advanced at all. lol He comes from the little hats, so of course he is experienced with backstabbing snakes. The real plot twist is, he was working with AR the whole time just pretending to be Luckys friend.
the actor playin lansky is brilliant, the way he calms luciano down then smiles before acknowledging Rothstein, little touches like that and the delivery make him one of the best actors amongst a fantastic cast
This was the epiphany scene for Luciano. Rothstein taught him the final lesson he needed to learn about life in the underworld. By the final season he was a straight up prince of darkness.
"Gentlemen, I'm running a business here, yes!" and "If you don't shut up, we're both dead, yes!" Meyer sure knows how to punctuate a plea for de-escalation with an emphatic "yes"
'You could always file a complaint with the department' - IMHO one of the funniest lines in the entire history of the show. Smirking cops who've totally embraced their utter corruption....
Yeah in The Sopranos he was just basically such a minor character I didn't even remember his name a few years after seeing it. More easily identifiable in conversation as "You know, that one kid who is AJ's friend at the club? With the two-bottle minimum of Cristal?" and then most casual fans would be like "uhhh ... what?" But in this though he couldn't have done a better job.
Watching Luciano's evolution through this show is so fascinating when you remember that he would go on to establish the first Mafia Commission and one of the most powerful crime families in the country, and Meyer would go on to be his trusted accountant.
That and some other comments (e.g. "we were served a native dish of tripe, which I cannot abide", "Do you know what the nice thing is about the Bronx Zoo, Charlie? There's bars between you and the monkeys.") make me wonder if Rothstein was subtly racist towards Italians and saw Charlie as a Pygmalion type experiment of sorts in 'civilizing' as he puts it, as well as some easy muscle and a negotiation tool with other Italians.
Eddie and chalky were pretty loyal to Nucky especially Eddie. Chalky could have turned in Nucky when he was confronted by Gyp and his men but he didn't. RIP Michael K Williams.
@@chaowu5139Eddie fckin ratted him out. And chalky just didn’t wanna bite the hand that fed him and backed him for years. The devil you know is better than the one you don’t.
@@petette4442 didn’t want to but he did. He should’ve killed himself before he flipped. Don’t matter how loyal he was before all that he still betrayed nucky.
@@JayyJay92 Eddie was an Old man, and he was mentally tortured to confess. He killed bimself because of the guilt, Eddie was a good man, he didn’t deserve that shit
how smart was rothstein. he knew luciano and lansky were gonna go behind his back and get the heroin deal so he basically stole it from them with joe masseria's backing.
Tough I like every scene with Luciano and Capone, I fucking hate Arnolds scene in some parts. Arnold took heroin from Luciano was the first, then he claim he never loses a game of luck( definately he was cheating) mostly when he was willing to pay Nucky with his gambling winnings which he was not winning at Nuckys casino also claming that Nuckys been cheating him on gambling so he won't pay him. WTF!! No doubt this guy got killed.
Mafia is Italy. La Cosa Nostra is US, it’s called “This Thing of Ours”, because it’s “our thing, not theirs”. People call it mafia too, but that’s not the official title
when luciano approaches masseria and says "he set me up, joe", masseria shakes his head like "i told you, picciotto" lol that's the favourite part for me. throughout the previous seasons masseria always wanted luciano by his side and told him the "christ-killers" would betray him because they're not his blood. after this incident masseria takes luciano to his side also.
Rothstein fucked over Lansky too but the reason he did it was because he told them to wait until the war between Masseria and Nucky was over and they went behind his back to borrow money from Masseria instead. Luciano ignored Masseria's "advice" to only do business with Italians, ignored Rothstein's instructions to put the deal on hold, and ignored Lansky's advice not to make the deal with the guy he thought was from Buffalo. And what happened to Masseria? Shot on Luciano's orders.
@@Michelle-ju6vs wow it's so nice to see a fellow woman in this male-dominated comment section 😄 and you're right luciano just kept on ignoring others and doing what he thought was right but i think that was a part of him being a genius revolutionary. he took them all down for getting in his way and if he was a good listener, that would not be the case
Whenever I see Michael Stuhlbarg as the supremely commanding Rothstein, then remember him as the trembling representative from Kentucky in 'Lincoln', I am amazed by what a fine actor he is.
a lot of fantastic shots; i swear i've learned more about visual filmmaking just by watching scenes of this show on youtube than from most other things ive ever watched; the joe masseria hit when salvatore says in italian/sicilian "the fight is over" with the overhead shot of fresh blood just spilling out by the gallon-looking like the end of a prize fight... the scene with salvatore and al discussing business in chicago, and salvatore gives him the empire state statue as a gift; cigarette smoke everywhere, close-ups on profile shots, and an image at the end of elephants like, braying to the statue (with al telling everyone to find Van Alder), i love the filmmaking style in this show; it seems like such a throwback, but somehow it seems so modern and fresh; like if scorcese was a young man again and new, i love the director shots in this show, it's fantastic
a lot of the staging in this show is fantastic as well; like the scene where eli introduces al by saying "we cut a deal with him" and the lower level gangmen part and al walks through, as if he's a man of the people rising up, and he gives that line "been on the road for 18 hours," it's like poetry; also the shot with the conflict al and frank and van alder have (when frank capone gets shot), there's like a shot on the crowd they're facing after van alder gives a line about how they're "numerically disadvantaged," and there's like tens more, tens upon tens more, of workers spilling in from the background while the foreground is framed by like a gate, it looks like something out of like roman drama or something, it's beautiful-all on youtube too; the costumes are fantastic, and i think stephen graham is almost just as good as daniel day lewis (he was actually in gangs of new york, unbelievable) because unlike daniel day, he doesn't slip his accent when he yells; this show is really fucking fantastic and i love it so much; they make 1920s gangsterism like america's pasttime with some of the romanticism i see in the shots and how they capitulate scenes with old-timey music, it's vicious, it's beautiful, and it's pretty; and it's also sad, i love it
To be fair, he didn't threaten him. He talked that hot shit. I think if he would have made a threat, Lansky wouldn't have been able to talk them out of getting killed. It was the fact that Luciano didn't say anything he couldn't take back, that made it easier for Lansky to talk them out of getting killed. Had he let Luciano continue his tirade, it might have been the last scene we saw them in.
In the context of that era Dr Evil would have said: one.. _hundred_ .. dollars!!! And then he'd be corrected to a thousand. It was all about confusing those rates, remember?
Travis Bickle Oh okay then! My mistake. That's really cool though. Fantastic actor. Too bad he doesn't get billing. Vincent Piazza does but not Anatol. Makes no sense.
Meyer Lansky and Arnold Rothstein are the two best acted parts in B.E. Jimmy Darmody was the best character, as it progressed he was unwrapped like an onion. Show hasn't been quite the same since he died.
2:41 That's when Luciano understands everything: AR had to dangle something in front of Masseria, not for the sake of double crossing the Italians, but to get Masseria to stop backing Rosetti. AR always thinking two moves ahead, but he underestimated Nucky's position. That is why Luciano wanted to start a syndicate, no back stabbing and everyone went into business together.
Actually Luciano was a two-faced bastard, he created the national syndicate (to give order and stop wanton retaliation killings) only after he himself had betrayed Joe "the boss" Masseria (and had him killed) secretly for Masseria's top rival, Salvatore Maranzano. Then Luciano betrayed and ordered Salvatore Maranzano's murder as well, finding himself head of both their holdings... His sudden decision to create the syndicate and commission was more to protect himself from being taken out...he had no problem taking out both his former bosses before than and adding to the wanton killing and etc. it's like the peasant who says, "all kings should be killed," who kills the old king and becomes king himself, who then says, "well let's rethink that for a second..."
The move to kill Joe the boss was backed by several bosses, and Maranzano was to set the commision and all become equal partners, but instead Maranzano gave himself the title of boss of bosses like joe the boss. And also Maranzano tried to kill Luciano and 2 other bosses and called them to come to his office, but Luciano was one step ahead, and had his men pose as income tax collectors and had Maranzano killed first.
@@mckenzie.latham91 Luciano wanted to create the syndicate and knew the only way to do it was to kill the old bosses. With the old bosses still alive it was just business as usual
The actor who plays Masseria is a master at being charismatic without speaking very many words. It's a shame we didn't see more of him, but part of me feels like the whole mystique of his character is that he almost never appears except when he has the upper hand.
Rothstein did the correct thing. He specifically told them not to do the Heroin deal, then they went behind his back anyways with the financing from his rival. They are lucky he didn't have them killed.
Thing is, they didn't work for Rothstein. No one did. All he did was invest in potential schemes and schemers and took a huge profit after. He wasn't a boss, he was lurking in the shadows making more money than anyone.
@@nelstar4676 Masseria should have had Charlie clipped over this. AR was never a boss. Masseria was the only real Italian boss in the series. Too bad I would have liked to see more of him.
@@adiw888 Luciano, despite being mentored by Masseria never actually joined his crew, being more like an annoying nephew. He owed Joe nothing and Joe didn't need to clip him. AR was not a boss as such but controlled people like Meyer via his contacts and wealth. He asked them to stay out of heroin and they ignored him. Had he not died on his own Luciano would have killed him eventually
Luciano is unbelievable here. Deserves an award for his passion. AR is always on the top of his game, they both don't get enough screen time in the show.
I love how Meyer knows luciano so well he’s already expecting him to explode when ar and masseria reveal they scammed them of their heroin! Lanksy is ready to TRY to calm him
Just Imagine if Myer was an Italian. He would've been the worlds most dangerously clever and NOTORIOUS Mob Boss. Anatol Yusef did a tremendous portrayal of Lansky.
If they are being accurate with the real history it was definitely trust. Bugsy said Luciano and Lansky were MORE than brothers. Even in this scene Lansky didn't have to stick out his neck to save Luciano and he did.
Oh they BETTER.. I ran out of things to watch now.. Sopranos,The Wire,Dexter,Breaking Bad,SOA are all gone now.. And then this??.. At least they should've just add 4 more episodes in the last season.
Its like Gyp Rosetti took over Sals body for a second, I was waiting for a "sittin behind your desk makin phones calls creepin around like a fuckin dentist with the ether" 😂
I won’t say never, but Lansky was always one of the best gangsters at always putting profits over ego. He was willing to be in whatever position made him the most money.
For Luciano, this makes capping Joe's ass a whole lot sweeter in the long run, and when Rothstein ends up getting blown away for not paying a poker debt which we saw the build up of later in the series. What's more, when Sal Maranzano ends up with a few extra holes in his gut, Luciano gets control of the Commission. Real power shall be his!
No proof of it but I always suspected it was either Meyer or Charlie who killed him. AR was a very self involved and self interested gambler and never a real "gangster" per se (he had no knowledge/obligation of Omerta being Jewish) but at the end when he had nothing to lose and the cops asked him who did it and he plainly had to know based on how close they had to be to shank him and he refused, I always saw that as his final nod to either Meyer or Charlie. He invested allot and groomed them so he'd look at it as a net loss if he died and took them down too. Dutch, or the dude who owed the money to, I doubt he would've thought twice taking them down with him.
I’ll never understand the constant disrespect all of the various bosses showed Luciano throughout the show. I get he’s new blood, and works with Meyer and Bugsy which is relatively taboo for the Mafia, but people kept employing this guy to whack fools. I get he’s not really the trigger man or hit man, but this dude was a captain on the losing side in a gang war, then somehow killed both sides bosses, gets capos from both sides to join him, and has gangster heritage that leads back to the 5 Points Gang. I mean, I know at the time they weren’t the gangster royalty they are now, but Torrio, Lansky, Siegel, Capone, Yale, etc. They are the goddam Avengers of gangsters. Being friends with just one of Siegel, Capone, Yale or Anastasia is deadly enough, but all 4? It’s funny to think Masseria, Nucky, AR, Gyp, etc all thought they could get rid of Luciano on a whim, but if they actually harmed him, there would be hell to pay all over the country.
So rothstein basically says I’ll give you 60% of your heroin back (give you 60% of the profits) if you stop backing gyp Rossetti, so that Thompson can give him the overhault distillery.
and after that, Lucky Luciano stopped being a junky and rose to the power no one would have thought he would. Credit to Rothstein though for grooming and mentoring him at every moment.
Meyer is one of the only people in the show who can get in Luciano's face and get away with it, because he's one of the only people Luciano truly respects. He's one of the only people who can get such a hothead to sit the fuck down for a minute. I just think that's great.
I don’t think Meyer took personal offense to this slight from AR. Episodes later he is at his right hand, advising him to leave the table and later beats the man who insulted his mentor during that uncharacteristic loss. I think even though he ‘betrayed’ them, Meyer still had high regard for AR because at least no one could call him a weak man, like his father. He taught him in this moment who he was and he taught Charlie as well.
@@jamilabrownie nah him and luciano took it personally. they kept gettin fucked with by both masseria and rothstein to a point where they barely made profit. thats why they got them both whacked.
@@deathrager2404 Nobody knows the real culprit of the murder of Arnold Rothstein and the show for some reason chose to keep that a mystery and never insinuated that Lansky or Luciano had a hand in it nor do historical accounts mention either men as possible suspects. So you could be right...or you could be wrong. We’ll never know. He took it to his grave. I definitely do feel that Rothstein’s death was an impetus for their rise. It was end of an era of the old kings of prohibition and knowing that this old king could be defeated, it emboldened them to believe they could defeat the other kings and change the ways the way business was run for the better. That’s the way I choose to interpret at least..
Luciano's dealings with the crooked agents is never specified, but from the information given, he simply gives up the heroin and is allowed to walk (or something). I'm guessing they were at Rothstein's because a) a bit of hat-in-hand begging for his help goes a long way when your ill-advised, careless decisions have landed you in a world of shit with Masseria, and b) Rothstein invited them ("Charlie, Meyer, thank you for coming, this won't take long").
Negative. There was a huge boxing match and he bought the first 20 rows, gave the tickets for free to all judges, cops, partners etc to clear his name and never dealt narcotics again. He also paid something like 40-50k in bribes to clear the charge. Read "The Last Testament of Lucky Luciano", while exiled in Italy he made a deal to make a movie, the commission disapproved. So he changed it to a life story novel. It's an incredible read.
Season 5 being the last season probably means we won't see Meyer & Luciano's rise. It's a shame because they've built in Luciano's frustration with the older generation & mustache petes from day one. In other mob films he's usually Superman, never struggling etc. Their both amazingly played so would be great to see them start 'winning'. Always hoped we'd get to see them in 1931 but think the best we can hope for now is 1928/29, there's a few big events in those years to show their rise. Might not even get there though.
I'm assuming they will start Season 5 in the year 1925. Introducing characters like Hymie Weiss and even Marcus Garvey. I think it would end in 1931. So we might see Luciano's rise, along with the murders of Joe the Boss and Arnold Rothstein. That is my prediction. Do you think That these people, Garvey and Weiss will be in season 5?
lettersfromaboy Weiss is already there, he's the guy always with O'Banion. They could start using him more though. They changed the dates around a bit with Capone, the shooting at The Hawthorne Inn where Van Alden saved him was actually 1926, after Torrio gets shot. So who knows? At the moment my prediction is S5 = 1927-29, I hope you're right though. If it wasn't the last season I'd say yes to Garvey, not sure now.
The reason they haven't showed their rise is because most people (who know about organized crime) know about it so there's no need, sort of like with Capone.. last we see of him is when Torrio gave him his operation. They will probably mention Rothstein's big poker game where he lost 300k and welched, saying the game was fixed. After that he was killed for failing to pay his debt. The murder pointed to the guys he owed that money to, but the people who profited most from his death were none other than Lucky and Meyer. I'm really excited though... 1931, the Castellammarese war! Salvatore Maranzano will probably be introduced fighting against Masseria. The prohibition is almost over and the Great Depression has already set in.
It takes place in 1931. That is basically the year Lucky Lucino and Meyer Lansky took over. 1931 was also when Capone went on the slippery slope and lost power.
It's amazing how this show depicts the very, somewhat humble beginnings of 3 of the most powerful gangsters in US history, knuckle under Nucky and Rothstein. I'm referring to Meyer, Lucky and Benny.
Meyer the real mastermind of this scene. Figures out what is going on moments after walking into the room.
Yep. He walked in and knew if he didn't tapdance well he wouldn't be walking out. And so he danced.
@@Crazyivan777 that’s good
He was only 22 at the time and Lucky was 27. I thought he was older but thats how advanced Meyer was. Or how immature Lucky was
He understood the frustration of Luciano and show him by shouting: "Yes!" You must be stoic around powerful emotions. It's hard, but pays in the long term.
@@BigA678 Meyer wasn't advanced at all. lol He comes from the little hats, so of course he is experienced with backstabbing snakes. The real plot twist is, he was working with AR the whole time just pretending to be Luckys friend.
This show literally had some of the most incredible casting I’ve ever seen!
Wait, literally? OMG!
@@porkchop3328 I know, the word "literally" is overused and unnecessary.
@@jcsuperstar4646 It literally is. And every actor on the series was a genius.
Thats literally what i was literally thinking
Like cat litterally
the actor playin lansky is brilliant, the way he calms luciano down then smiles before acknowledging Rothstein, little touches like that and the delivery make him one of the best actors amongst a fantastic cast
Hes british in real life
@jeff the guy who plays Lansky is from a Turkish background (Anatol Yusuf)
@Alex F Maybe not. But this little thread was about that actor. If you don't care then why read it let alone comment on it...?
Him and the guy who played Eli killed their roles
@Jim Nacosta Agreed.
This was the epiphany scene for Luciano. Rothstein taught him the final lesson he needed to learn about life in the underworld. By the final season he was a straight up prince of darkness.
Yeah I can see that. RIGHT ON
And the final lesson is...?
Nah..Charlie had a plan all along,and killed joe and maranzano in real life and started the five families and commission
@DrinkwithaMexican Stop pulling so called "facts" out of your ass. Keep your sick fantasies to yourself.
@DrinkwithaMexican where on earth did you get that?
"Gentlemen, I'm running a business here, yes!" and "If you don't shut up, we're both dead, yes!" Meyer sure knows how to punctuate a plea for de-escalation with an emphatic "yes"
That was an old school way of talking. Common among Jewish NYers specifically
Still exists to this day but modernized to "yeah" or "right" for punctuation
I think it's basically a translation from the german dialect the immigrated jews were speaking.
I still occasionally use that word when punctuating a plea. The words "right" and "yeah" just don't sound right.
What, he should not clarify understanding after making a statement?
It’s crazy to think Meyer lived clear into the 70s/80s even though this show makes it seem this was a world ago.
I've been thinking the same thing. It's mind boggling to think how much the world changed in his lifetime.
@@AN-tl1fd it’s crazy to think he died poor.
@@JayyJay92 my gut just will not allow me to believe that but bc its what everyone else thinks I’ll believe it
@@BigA678
Pardon the pun, but do you realize the gutlessness of that statement?
My mother died in 2018. When she was a girl, her uncle picked her up at the train station in a horse and buggy.
'You could always file a complaint with the department' - IMHO one of the funniest lines in the entire history of the show. Smirking cops who've totally embraced their utter corruption....
Reminds me of the bit in Scarface. "You can't shoot a cop!" "Whoever said you was one?"
I thought they were fake cops
@@ShibalotonSeattle Paid-off ones. But then again, by that point, as Tony Montana said, "Whoever said you were one?"
Funniest comment was Capones brother about Luciano. Hes a fed, hes a fed
They werent real cops
Lansky: " is that ours ? "
Masseria: " Nao Any 'Amore "
LMAO love the accent
Ivo Nandi being born and raised in Agrigento Sicily helps.
Maaaayaaaaa
The thing that gave Luciano and Lansky the edge was their friendship. Trust is the rarest commodity in the Underworld.
Meyer knows when to punt. Not to go on fourth down.
That’s why he outlives them all.
Touchdown on the comment.
Not really. He is desperately trying to copy Rothstein. Another little snake.
@@IronKnee963 do you know anything about the real guy?
Lucky lived to 76
@@albundy9793 I know a lot about Meyer. Lived next to him for 5 years. I remember the Jersey people coming down also.
The actors who played Masseria, Lansky, Rothstein, and Luciano are showing their chops in this scene.
They do it in every scene. Brilliant
The guy that plays Luciano kills it.
Vincent Piazza is his name
It's terrific! And he was such a piss-boy in the Sopranos
livelvelrn He believably goes from a street hoodlum to intimidating kingpin over a span of 5 seasons.
He grew up in my neighborhood and several of my friends worked for his father John Piazza's construction company.
Yeah in The Sopranos he was just basically such a minor character I didn't even remember his name a few years after seeing it. More easily identifiable in conversation as "You know, that one kid who is AJ's friend at the club? With the two-bottle minimum of Cristal?" and then most casual fans would be like "uhhh ... what?" But in this though he couldn't have done a better job.
Ma-Ya
Watching Luciano's evolution through this show is so fascinating when you remember that he would go on to establish the first Mafia Commission and one of the most powerful crime families in the country, and Meyer would go on to be his trusted accountant.
boganus699 thank you fuck face
Too fast though, due to it not bring worth the money we lost a season. We saw the before and after but not the transition
Except... This is a work of fiction. It's made up. Not real. Pretend. A story.
@Alltilt Not sure the guy playing Capone really captured the syphylitic moron in all his glory.
“Trusted accountant” there is no such a thing.
The look on Luciano's face after Rothstein says "There's only so much you can teach a person before you meet the limits of his capabilities. " Lmao
Joe da boss liking that little dig made it funnier too
Joe da boss liking that little dig made it funnier too
That and some other comments (e.g. "we were served a native dish of tripe, which I cannot abide", "Do you know what the nice thing is about the Bronx Zoo, Charlie? There's bars between you and the monkeys.") make me wonder if Rothstein was subtly racist towards Italians and saw Charlie as a Pygmalion type experiment of sorts in 'civilizing' as he puts it, as well as some easy muscle and a negotiation tool with other Italians.
@@ChillClinton1999 can you imagine that? Joe da boss liking that little dig made it funnier too?
I’m sure part of Arnold saw the Italians as “useful” but overly violent and prideful given his experiences with Joe and Lucky
2:44 Charlie stews in fury about to burst and all you can hear is Arnold’s little teaspoon calmly stirring his hot beverage
Charlie and Meyer were the only people who had a bond of loyalty in the whole show aside from Richard and Jimmy lol
Eddie and chalky were pretty loyal to Nucky especially Eddie. Chalky could have turned in Nucky when he was confronted by Gyp and his men but he didn't. RIP Michael K Williams.
@@chaowu5139Eddie fckin ratted him out. And chalky just didn’t wanna bite the hand that fed him and backed him for years. The devil you know is better than the one you don’t.
@@JayyJay92 Eddie literally commited suicide because he didn't want to betray Nucky
@@petette4442 didn’t want to but he did. He should’ve killed himself before he flipped. Don’t matter how loyal he was before all that he still betrayed nucky.
@@JayyJay92 Eddie was an
Old man, and he was mentally tortured to confess. He killed bimself because of the guilt, Eddie was a good man, he didn’t deserve that shit
how smart was rothstein. he knew luciano and lansky were gonna go behind his back and get the heroin deal so he basically stole it from them with joe masseria's backing.
Yes, Rothstein's move was quite cunning.
Fictional AF, but cunning.
@Darren McGowand Read it again.
So why is Luciano and myer mad if they themselves were in the wrong
@Tanner Lane because they lost both their product and money.
Tough I like every scene with Luciano and Capone, I fucking hate Arnolds scene in some parts. Arnold took heroin from Luciano was the first, then he claim he never loses a game of luck( definately he was cheating) mostly when he was willing to pay Nucky with his gambling winnings which he was not winning at Nuckys casino also claming that Nuckys been cheating him on gambling so he won't pay him. WTF!! No doubt this guy got killed.
I think everyone's felt like Lucky at some stage.
The way Masseria snorts and nods after Rothstein says 'there's only so much you can teach a person'. Perfect.
Even Lucky knew to take it lightly on Joe, so he pounces for Rothstein lmao
Who do you think killed Joe? It was Charlie who planned it
Because Rothstein is a scammer but Masseria will chop your head off.
I love Joe's face of disgust when Arnold pontificates about thinking he had "a civilizing effect" 😂
I love how he says if he doesn't shut up they're both dead, meaning if they kill Charlie, they are gonna have to kill him too
I never thought of it that way. But it does make sense.
They knew how loyal Lansky was to Luciano and vice versa.
Rothstein and Masseria had no earthly idea who Luciano would eventually become. The Father of the Mafia.
The Mafia exists in Sicily. In the US they are called the Mob.
@@mixedman841 Shut up you simp.
@@mixedman841
They are called mafia in the US as well and it doesn't just involve the Sicilian Cosa Nostra.
Mafia is Italy. La Cosa Nostra is US, it’s called “This Thing of Ours”, because it’s “our thing, not theirs”. People call it mafia too, but that’s not the official title
Rothstien was luckys mentor ..oh je knew
when luciano approaches masseria and says "he set me up, joe", masseria shakes his head like "i told you, picciotto" lol that's the favourite part for me. throughout the previous seasons masseria always wanted luciano by his side and told him the "christ-killers" would betray him because they're not his blood. after this incident masseria takes luciano to his side also.
Rothstein fucked over Lansky too but the reason he did it was because he told them to wait until the war between Masseria and Nucky was over and they went behind his back to borrow money from Masseria instead. Luciano ignored Masseria's "advice" to only do business with Italians, ignored Rothstein's instructions to put the deal on hold, and ignored Lansky's advice not to make the deal with the guy he thought was from Buffalo.
And what happened to Masseria? Shot on Luciano's orders.
@@Michelle-ju6vs wow it's so nice to see a fellow woman in this male-dominated comment section 😄 and you're right luciano just kept on ignoring others and doing what he thought was right but i think that was a part of him being a genius revolutionary. he took them all down for getting in his way and if he was a good listener, that would not be the case
"30% gonna look very cheap".
@@earsbeats Thirsty ass creep.
But Masseria was wrong in the end. His most loyal companion to the end was the "Christ-killer" Meyer.
Holy crap Meyer was the great force in the shadows. The actor is brilliant too.
Whenever I see Michael Stuhlbarg as the supremely commanding Rothstein, then remember him as the trembling representative from Kentucky in 'Lincoln', I am amazed by what a fine actor he is.
The guy is RIDICULOUSLY underrated. He’s a super versatile character actor
He didn’t order Santana “Abraxis”. He doesn’t want Santana “Abraxis”.
3:40 - I love the focus and depth of field change, it's such a simple technique but it's so effective when you see Rothstein's expression.
a lot of fantastic shots; i swear i've learned more about visual filmmaking just by watching scenes of this show on youtube than from most other things ive ever watched; the joe masseria hit when salvatore says in italian/sicilian "the fight is over" with the overhead shot of fresh blood just spilling out by the gallon-looking like the end of a prize fight... the scene with salvatore and al discussing business in chicago, and salvatore gives him the empire state statue as a gift; cigarette smoke everywhere, close-ups on profile shots, and an image at the end of elephants like, braying to the statue (with al telling everyone to find Van Alder), i love the filmmaking style in this show; it seems like such a throwback, but somehow it seems so modern and fresh; like if scorcese was a young man again and new, i love the director shots in this show, it's fantastic
a lot of the staging in this show is fantastic as well; like the scene where eli introduces al by saying "we cut a deal with him" and the lower level gangmen part and al walks through, as if he's a man of the people rising up, and he gives that line "been on the road for 18 hours," it's like poetry; also the shot with the conflict al and frank and van alder have (when frank capone gets shot), there's like a shot on the crowd they're facing after van alder gives a line about how they're "numerically disadvantaged," and there's like tens more, tens upon tens more, of workers spilling in from the background while the foreground is framed by like a gate, it looks like something out of like roman drama or something, it's beautiful-all on youtube too; the costumes are fantastic, and i think stephen graham is almost just as good as daniel day lewis (he was actually in gangs of new york, unbelievable) because unlike daniel day, he doesn't slip his accent when he yells; this show is really fucking fantastic and i love it so much; they make 1920s gangsterism like america's pasttime with some of the romanticism i see in the shots and how they capitulate scenes with old-timey music, it's vicious, it's beautiful, and it's pretty; and it's also sad, i love it
The look on Charlie’s face when he realizes who he’s threatening...
To be fair, he didn't threaten him. He talked that hot shit. I think if he would have made a threat, Lansky wouldn't have been able to talk them out of getting killed. It was the fact that Luciano didn't say anything he couldn't take back, that made it easier for Lansky to talk them out of getting killed. Had he let Luciano continue his tirade, it might have been the last scene we saw them in.
Its funny old men, because those kids that you're making fun of right there...they're gonna own the fucking world one day.
+TheAgentOfTheSystem life's a circle
Johnny Cash What Is Truth
Luciano went to prison a few years after he took power. Then got deported than died. His power was take. From him by vito genovase.
@@thejman8734 His life in Italy wasn't too bad though
@@thejman8734 he was still powerful even in Naples and prison
The guy who plays Joe Masseria is dope
Mo Khayat the best
diddo
His names giopompis versucc
MatchesMalone exotic name
Yeh he plays a good part.
Masseria: In Exchange for what?
Rothstein: (Dr. Evil pinky to mouth) One Meellion Dollars!
Eric McClain hahahahahahhahhaa u are fucking funny! 😅😅😅
Hahahahahahahaa
In the context of that era Dr Evil would have said: one.. _hundred_ .. dollars!!!
And then he'd be corrected to a thousand. It was all about confusing those rates, remember?
haha gazillion fafillion dollars
The “LA-ZOR” beams
Anatol Yusef is utterly superb as Meyer Lansky, He's as Cockney as they come too.....
Cockney? You mean the actor?
LeaveMeAloneTH-cam Yeah I mean Anatol Yusuf, he's from London
Travis Bickle Oh okay then! My mistake. That's really cool though. Fantastic actor. Too bad he doesn't get billing. Vincent Piazza does but not Anatol. Makes no sense.
Meyer Lansky and Arnold Rothstein are the two best acted parts in B.E. Jimmy Darmody was the best character, as it progressed he was unwrapped like an onion. Show hasn't been quite the same since he died.
Travis Bickle Season four was the best.
Its good to see the friendship between Meyer and Luciano and how their partnership will grow.
2:41 That's when Luciano understands everything: AR had to dangle something in front of Masseria, not for the sake of double crossing the Italians, but to get Masseria to stop backing Rosetti. AR always thinking two moves ahead, but he underestimated Nucky's position. That is why Luciano wanted to start a syndicate, no back stabbing and everyone went into business together.
Martell Tavares Ozoria No back stabbing lol, how did that turn out for the five families?
Actually Luciano was a two-faced bastard, he created the national syndicate (to give order and stop wanton retaliation killings) only after he himself had betrayed Joe "the boss" Masseria (and had him killed) secretly for Masseria's top rival, Salvatore Maranzano.
Then Luciano betrayed and ordered Salvatore Maranzano's murder as well, finding himself head of both their holdings...
His sudden decision to create the syndicate and commission was more to protect himself from being taken out...he had no problem taking out both his former bosses before than and adding to the wanton killing and etc.
it's like the peasant who says, "all kings should be killed," who kills the old king and becomes king himself, who then says, "well let's rethink that for a second..."
The move to kill Joe the boss was backed by several bosses, and Maranzano was to set the commision and all become equal partners, but instead Maranzano gave himself the title of boss of bosses like joe the boss. And also Maranzano tried to kill Luciano and 2 other bosses and called them to come to his office, but Luciano was one step ahead, and had his men pose as income tax collectors and had Maranzano killed first.
@@mckenzie.latham91 Luciano wanted to create the syndicate and knew the only way to do it was to kill the old bosses. With the old bosses still alive it was just business as usual
@@gunnmansailo1341 he wanted to kill Luciano, Genovese and Costello
2:50 The slow nod from Masseria with the smoke. Classic
The actor who plays Masseria is a master at being charismatic without speaking very many words. It's a shame we didn't see more of him, but part of me feels like the whole mystique of his character is that he almost never appears except when he has the upper hand.
Great actors tell you more about their characters when they aren't speaking, and this show gives them a lot of time to show off.
Sim Le - “The Man Who Can Dodge Bullets”
Rothstein did the correct thing. He specifically told them not to do the Heroin deal, then they went behind his back anyways with the financing from his rival. They are lucky he didn't have them killed.
100 FACTS
Thing is, they didn't work for Rothstein. No one did.
All he did was invest in potential schemes and schemers and took a huge profit after. He wasn't a boss, he was lurking in the shadows making more money than anyone.
@@nelstar4676 Masseria should have had Charlie clipped over this. AR was never a boss. Masseria was the only real Italian boss in the series. Too bad I would have liked to see more of him.
@@nelstar4676 Jews are the ultimate middleman AR was a genius
@@adiw888 Luciano, despite being mentored by Masseria never actually joined his crew, being more like an annoying nephew. He owed Joe nothing and Joe didn't need to clip him.
AR was not a boss as such but controlled people like Meyer via his contacts and wealth. He asked them to stay out of heroin and they ignored him. Had he not died on his own Luciano would have killed him eventually
the way they stand in the hall, like 2 school kids who got caught by the cheater doing bad stuff and have to report to the principal
Charles "Lucky" Luciano
Meyer "Mob's Accountant" Lansky
Arnold "The Brain" Rothstein
Giuseppe "Joe the Boss" Masseria
And you, I sorry, I never know your name.
- Meyer
Maa-Yaa
:D
Luciano is unbelievable here. Deserves an award for his passion. AR is always on the top of his game, they both don't get enough screen time in the show.
That's when I knew Luciano wasn't ever going to let that slide. I just knew it in my bones that Masseria was going to get whacked in no time.
Meyer made that decision right about 3:30
AR just standing there mixing his coffee while they all just let what happened sink in is just brilliance
AR calm and calculating character
That pissed me off
AR stands in room alone, and does nothing;
even when there's people in the room
I loved the difference between Luciano and Lansky in the series. One Blindly ambitious but extremely capable the other extremely smart and ambitious.
Who’s who?
@@treejay818 yes.
Everyone connected with the show did a superb job.
I love how Meyer knows luciano so well he’s already expecting him to explode when ar and masseria reveal they scammed them of their heroin! Lanksy is ready to TRY to calm him
Just Imagine if Myer was an Italian.
He would've been the worlds most dangerously clever and NOTORIOUS Mob Boss.
Anatol Yusef did a tremendous portrayal of Lansky.
He didnt have to be italian. He lived a long life thanks to his witts.
It because he is Jew he is so witt
They should have definitely had a a spin-off. Those 2 were perfect.
Hahaha, the sheer arrogance of Joe the Boss to not remember Meyer's name after they'd talked dozens of times
Matty he never asked.
The old Mustache Pete was an anti-semite
Luciano introduces lansky to him when they initially cut the deal
That was ultimate talking down to someone
Showing him he doesn't have to remember his name.
LMAO Luciano is talking to Lansky like a husband begging for forgiveness from his wife.
All of these guys kill it here, Especially Luciano and Lansky.
If they are being accurate with the real history it was definitely trust. Bugsy said Luciano and Lansky were MORE than brothers. Even in this scene Lansky didn't have to stick out his neck to save Luciano and he did.
"That I pay for WITH MY FUCKING MONEY, now belong to him"
After boardwalk empire finishes, they need to make a spin off show about luciano, lanksy and seigels rise to power
Dont forget Capone
freddykingsley Capone was imprisoned in 1931. And the final season takes place in that year.
Yeah similar to the movie Busy. Set in LA.
Harshcore811 Bugsy. With Warren Beatty.
Oh they BETTER.. I ran out of things to watch now.. Sopranos,The Wire,Dexter,Breaking Bad,SOA are all gone now.. And then this??.. At least they should've just add 4 more episodes in the last season.
I would have watched this damn show for another 5 seasons, following Luciano and Capone and all the other surviving Gangsters. Great fuckin show
Its like Gyp Rosetti took over Sals body for a second, I was waiting for a "sittin behind your desk makin phones calls creepin around like a fuckin dentist with the ether" 😂
This show had so many brilliant actors in it. Every scene is like a masterpiece.
it's even better than the sopranos
I won’t say never, but Lansky was always one of the best gangsters at always putting profits over ego. He was willing to be in whatever position made him the most money.
For Luciano, this makes capping Joe's ass a whole lot sweeter in the long run, and when Rothstein ends up getting blown away for not paying a poker debt which we saw the build up of later in the series. What's more, when Sal Maranzano ends up with a few extra holes in his gut, Luciano gets control of the Commission. Real power shall be his!
No proof of it but I always suspected it was either Meyer or Charlie who killed him. AR was a very self involved and self interested gambler and never a real "gangster" per se (he had no knowledge/obligation of Omerta being Jewish) but at the end when he had nothing to lose and the cops asked him who did it and he plainly had to know based on how close they had to be to shank him and he refused, I always saw that as his final nod to either Meyer or Charlie. He invested allot and groomed them so he'd look at it as a net loss if he died and took them down too. Dutch, or the dude who owed the money to, I doubt he would've thought twice taking them down with him.
LionMerteuil - interesting theory, have never thought ab it that way...
3:31...Lansky's smile, that's when the gears were turning.....
That's a smile that means someone is eventually gonna die.
Sure enough, both of the men in that room ended up dying via gunshot wounds...
I’ll never understand the constant disrespect all of the various bosses showed Luciano throughout the show. I get he’s new blood, and works with Meyer and Bugsy which is relatively taboo for the Mafia, but people kept employing this guy to whack fools. I get he’s not really the trigger man or hit man, but this dude was a captain on the losing side in a gang war, then somehow killed both sides bosses, gets capos from both sides to join him, and has gangster heritage that leads back to the 5 Points Gang. I mean, I know at the time they weren’t the gangster royalty they are now, but Torrio, Lansky, Siegel, Capone, Yale, etc. They are the goddam Avengers of gangsters. Being friends with just one of Siegel, Capone, Yale or Anastasia is deadly enough, but all 4? It’s funny to think Masseria, Nucky, AR, Gyp, etc all thought they could get rid of Luciano on a whim, but if they actually harmed him, there would be hell to pay all over the country.
They weren't anything at this point. They were just upstarts with ambition.
They're mafioso. If they were stable they'd get into politics.
Luciano and Lanksy’s actors are absolutely perfect casting, masseria too actually
Meyer and Lucky should get their own spinoff. Great actors.
Luciano's anger was palpable. Great acting by all.
at 1:49 I thought Rothstein had a cell phone in his hand, then I remembered this was the 1920's
dam u slow shi)
haha looks like a little black notebook too
I thought the same thing,lol. And then Luciano asks "whats that doing here?"
Lol
Meyer is real bad ass.
yes
Not enough to get caught
“You just sit at your desk making phone calls all day, I’m the one out there in the world taking risks!!!!”
Yeah guy.. that’s called ‘being the boss’
I love how Rothstein was so proper...stirring his tea while Charlie loses his s***😂😅
A.R. stirring his fucking coffee. “Civilizing effect”
Fuck A.R.
Isn't it tea?
This moment was meyers....beautifully controlled the situation.
3:30 is when he's like, "Yeah, these guys gotta go."
"He set me up, Joe"
Masseria: "I told you" 🤣🤣
Lol I think at one time Joe said you can't trust those people they're joyless lol.
@@SutekhDaSteemrollerthey make love to each with a hole in the sheet!!
It just now stood out to me that Rothstein has very Hyman Roth-like mannerisms. Nice touch!
So rothstein basically says I’ll give you 60% of your heroin back (give you 60% of the profits) if you stop backing gyp Rossetti, so that Thompson can give him the overhault distillery.
Pretty much. A.R. Was very pragmatic
Rothstein had no idea who Lucky would become. The Father of the Modern Mafia.
I wouldn’t be surprised if ever had a thought about it, since after all he was like his mentor
PS. "YOU CAN ALWAYS FILE A COMPLAINT WITH THE DEPARTMENT!" XD :D ...that one always cracks me!... :D
The way the camera fades out on Meyer when he finishes calming Charlie..and focuses in on Rothstein as he chastises Charlie.. smooth
The Meyer actor n lucky kill this Excellent acting 🙏🏼🤜🏾🤛🏾
Meyer was the only one who could speak to Lucky that way and live!
and after that, Lucky Luciano stopped being a junky and rose to the power no one would have thought he would.
Credit to Rothstein though for grooming and mentoring him at every moment.
A junky?
Luciano was never a junky
@La Onda right fucking idiots
@@Nick-kk7up yes he was do your research he definitely used heroin an opium
Love how when the other characters are have slower scenes u always have this duo to turn to❤
Meyer is one of the only people in the show who can get in Luciano's face and get away with it, because he's one of the only people Luciano truly respects. He's one of the only people who can get such a hothead to sit the fuck down for a minute. I just think that's great.
Lansky always had a calming affect on Luciano and Siegel
The agent calling him “kid” really was the final nail in the coffin Luciano’s face says it all.
3:31 Lansky's smile. A.R. is a dead man.
Never noticed that before
Good catch !
I don’t think Meyer took personal offense to this slight from AR. Episodes later he is at his right hand, advising him to leave the table and later beats the man who insulted his mentor during that uncharacteristic loss. I think even though he ‘betrayed’ them, Meyer still had high regard for AR because at least no one could call him a weak man, like his father. He taught him in this moment who he was and he taught Charlie as well.
@@jamilabrownie nah him and luciano took it personally. they kept gettin fucked with by both masseria and rothstein to a point where they barely made profit. thats why they got them both whacked.
@@deathrager2404 Nobody knows the real culprit of the murder of Arnold Rothstein and the show for some reason chose to keep that a mystery and never insinuated that Lansky or Luciano had a hand in it nor do historical accounts mention either men as possible suspects. So you could be right...or you could be wrong. We’ll never know. He took it to his grave. I definitely do feel that Rothstein’s death was an impetus for their rise. It was end of an era of the old kings of prohibition and knowing that this old king could be defeated, it emboldened them to believe they could defeat the other kings and change the ways the way business was run for the better. That’s the way I choose to interpret at least..
Everyone in this scene and in this show did these characters they played incredible justice. Everything and everyone played this perfectly.
The guy who portrayed "Joe The Boss" owned every scene he was in....Especially the ones with Gyp Rossetti
Luciano's dealings with the crooked agents is never specified, but from the information given, he simply gives up the heroin and is allowed to walk (or something). I'm guessing they were at Rothstein's because a) a bit of hat-in-hand begging for his help goes a long way when your ill-advised, careless decisions have landed you in a world of shit with Masseria, and b) Rothstein invited them ("Charlie, Meyer, thank you for coming, this won't take long").
Negative. There was a huge boxing match and he bought the first 20 rows, gave the tickets for free to all judges, cops, partners etc to clear his name and never dealt narcotics again. He also paid something like 40-50k in bribes to clear the charge. Read "The Last Testament of Lucky Luciano", while exiled in Italy he made a deal to make a movie, the commission disapproved. So he changed it to a life story novel. It's an incredible read.
Season 5 being the last season probably means we won't see Meyer & Luciano's rise. It's a shame because they've built in Luciano's frustration with the older generation & mustache petes from day one. In other mob films he's usually Superman, never struggling etc. Their both amazingly played so would be great to see them start 'winning'. Always hoped we'd get to see them in 1931 but think the best we can hope for now is 1928/29, there's a few big events in those years to show their rise. Might not even get there though.
I'm assuming they will start Season 5 in the year 1925. Introducing characters like
Hymie Weiss and even Marcus Garvey. I think it would end in 1931. So we might see Luciano's rise, along with the murders of Joe the Boss and Arnold Rothstein. That is my prediction. Do you think That these people, Garvey and Weiss will be in season 5?
lettersfromaboy Weiss is already there, he's the guy always with O'Banion. They could start using him more though. They changed the dates around a bit with Capone, the shooting at The Hawthorne Inn where Van Alden saved him was actually 1926, after Torrio gets shot. So who knows? At the moment my prediction is S5 = 1927-29, I hope you're right though. If it wasn't the last season I'd say yes to Garvey, not sure now.
The reason they haven't showed their rise is because most people (who know about organized crime) know about it so there's no need, sort of like with Capone.. last we see of him is when Torrio gave him his operation.
They will probably mention Rothstein's big poker game where he lost 300k and welched, saying the game was fixed. After that he was killed for failing to pay his debt. The murder pointed to the guys he owed that money to, but the people who profited most from his death were none other than Lucky and Meyer.
I'm really excited though... 1931, the Castellammarese war! Salvatore Maranzano will probably be introduced fighting against Masseria. The prohibition is almost over and the Great Depression has already set in.
It takes place in 1931. That is basically the year Lucky Lucino and Meyer Lansky took over. 1931 was also when Capone went on the slippery slope and lost power.
According to the new trailers, Season 5 starts in 1931 and seems to be all about the rise of Luciano so I wouldn't worry about that.
Lanskey and Luciano are going to own season 5, A.R is over Masseria to these boys don't forget and don't forgive
MASSERIA: I’m-a sorry, I don’t remember your name
SMITHERS: he’s Meyer Lansky, one of your drones from sector 7-G
Meyer played his cards right, hence why he outlived most.
It's amazing how this show depicts the very, somewhat humble beginnings of 3 of the most powerful gangsters in US history, knuckle under Nucky and Rothstein. I'm referring to Meyer, Lucky and Benny.
Rothstein wasn’t even a gangster, he was a FRAUD
"Dat dis eroin, dat I pay for wit my FOKEN MONEY.. Now belong to him"
The actor who played Joe Masseria was badass
I cracked up when Meyers gave his response to Lucky
I like how luciano’s hair goes wild after 3:12
“Since you have such fool portions on your plate. Translation:y’all doing too much”
@@gingerpeachy3044 okay nerd
Some of THE BEST casting in TV history 💯
Love how Luciano became more powerful then all of them
Like a dentist creeping around with ether.
You can see A.R's sadness when Luciano goes at him
Out of all the gangsters in this scene, only Meyer and Charlie were the ones to eventually die of natural causes.