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Ford has the electric F150, Rivian has a more intuitive interface like a Tesla and Tesla's Cyber truck is not slated for production until 2023 at the soonest.
If electric vehicles are truly going to take over the market they cannot each have their own proprietary charging stations. There needs to be a single charging unit for all EVs. Imagine if Fords only ran on Ford gas from Ford's network of gas stations, Toyotas only ran on Toyota gas from their network, etc.
There is nothing original made in USA anymore without the involvement of the Britishit. Why do you think they get out of the European Union, if, they did not have enough American politicians in their pocket?
@@fwqkaw "Tell me more." About what, that the US became the Britishit tool to protect the Britishit all around the world? Consider this, the First Gulf War, US single handedly brought down the Iraqi forces and saved Kuwait, yet, the oil in Kuwait never came to the US. The US historically bought oil from Saudi Arabia. The oil in Kuwait went to Britishit. So, the US saved the Britishit in the First Gulf War. If, it wasn't for the US Britishit could never have got rid of Saddam out of Kuwait. Can you figure out the rest of your own?
When I was in college for electrical engineering back in the 90’s, my professor said the cars of the future would be electric. He went on to say that you would buy a platform and then pick the bodies you would like. You would have a minivan body for the family and a pickup truck body in the garage for work. They could be easily swapped out in the garage. Everything was plug and play. He also said tv’s would be flat as a picture on the wall and car batteries would be smaller than a 9 volt battery.
It seems like Rivian is taking their time to perfect their brand and not rush, because when you rush you creates problems. I think Rivian is going to be successful.
I am not impressed by much when it comes to electric vehicles. But Rivian has changed my mind on the EV front with both offerings. Unfortunately the are still many barriers in the way for the EV here in Australia.
@@mattbrew11 Being necessary or not is a matter of opinion, or what you feel you need out of a vehicle. Do I want to stop after the battery is completely drained from a full charge when I’m trying to drive from Michigan to Florida and wait around forever for it to charge? Absolutely not. I would have to wait a minimum 20 minutes just to get 140 mile charge. Not to mention finding a station along the way. It’s not like you can just pull into any gas station. What if I don’t have enough charge to get to one? And Its probably be more like 110 miles on a 20 minute charge. Then I’m stopping every two hours charging for 20 minutes. For me, completely unacceptable. As I often tow a boat as well, now your range is cut in half. Also completely unacceptable. In my opinion a 1000 mile battery is eventually going to be a necessity.
@@Maynardd what will happen over time is the charging speeds will increase. On a road trip what you wanna do is leave at 100% then charge it from 5-10% to 80% the last 20% is slow just like your cell phone. There will be as many chargers as there are gas stations in the US by 2028 and more chargers than gas pumps by 2031. Also something to consider. All the time in your life youll save never going to a gas station when youre commuting.
The company is interesting. That said, saying a a company that has delivered just a few vehicles and no profit is more valuable than nearly every other car manufacturers is just crazy talk. I wish them the best and having Amazon's deep pockets can definitely help any growing pains.
I mean, you could say the same thing about Tesla about five years ago. Even today, Tesla makes a fraction of the cars General Motors makes and only recently has shown a modest profit. Yet they are valued at over 10X that of General Motors.
@@therabidsquirrelsage3388 I believe where those domestic auto makers continue to fall short in is midsize car and small suv categories. That’s why Tesla was able to find a gap and exploit it so easily. However when it comes to trucks and large SUVs, the big 3 automakers have a very loyal following and are extremely profitable. The only reason why they have continued to manufacture small cars is because they are required to meet average fuel economy standards across all categories per government mandate. This forces them to hang onto vehicles like the Ford Focus and the Chevy Malibu and Trail Blazer that no one is buying and thus these companies lose money or break even on.
I left Tesla Service as a Technician due to lack of growth opportunity, so I joined Rivian Corporate to work side by side with engineers and would not have to deal with customers ever again. Best career move I ever made. Keep the world adventurous forever!
I would suggest your lack of advancement within Tesla is more about your capability then lack of opportunity! Just a heads up whether you are at Tesla or Rivian you are only employed *because* of customers, and as a customer we don't like dealing with fcukw!tt Service Technicians............
I'm really excited about Rivian, I really believe they're going to do great. They're going to have their bumps just like every other car manufacturer starting out but once they have a solid foundation they're going to be one of the top manufacturers in my opinion. Now if I could just get the money to buy one.
No rush it will still take them time to get proper production running … Elon is right Rivian can make the Machine but They still need to build out the Machine that builds the machine, they probably have the money but it’s more complicated than building prototypes and limited production runs. They look far more like Lexus than Toyota so they really need to up their production abilities ...
I'm excited about this truck. I like the cubby hole behind the seats/cab that they also made a camp kitchen for, also the tent. I would def. use this as a camping/off-road vehicle.
Why is a company that just went public, has limited online driving data in the midst of Tesla, no on demand performance data, no long term battery data, no longterm quality considered the future of EV?
Interesting Ford invested in Rivian knowing they had been developing and recently released the Ford F-150 Lightning which will directly compete with. Still feel as an electric battery car owner that hydrogen fuel cell autos would be a better fit for personal transportation, similar refueling process as IC autos and can convert current infrastructure gas pumps over to hydrogen as user base grows. Just my opinion
They made some hydrogen ICE motors a while back and I think those would be a lot cooler option than the electric fuel cell vehicles. It’s a kind of hybrid hybrid. Still only puts out water vapor as a byproduct and you don’t get the instant torque from the electric motor but for all of the gearheads that just don’t want to see the ICE engine die but understand why it has to it seems like the best of both worlds. The only downside is how much electricity it takes to produce the hydrogen. It would be cool though if you could buy a setup to produce it yourself at home with just some solar panels and water. In fact if you had a small portable one you wouldn’t ever run out of fuel unless you’re in the desert 😂!
@@MrCountrycuz how’s that? Trust me, I can admit when I’m wrong and change my mind if I am but several years ago I saw a company (don’t remember who it was but they were just testing it. It worked but I never heard any more about it. Probably something to do with lubrication problems is the most likely thing I could imagine. You spray in hydrogen with direct injection and it was almost a direct conversion from a gasoline engine.
6:23 - Optional auxiliary external battery. This is something that seems like a good, if costly, idea to extend range if ever needed. The Rivian can also be recharged by towing it if nowhere near an electrical charge source.
Prices usually fall with volume. I don't like to be a pioneer on new products. Let others cover the initial cost of production and take the time to see if the product has any unacceptable issues.
For $70k it is very appropriate (I would consider it cheap). Yes not everyone can afford it but what do you expect? If you need to refinance your house to buy truck it simply NOT for you.
Scotty is a short sighted Tesla hater. (why I unsubbed long ago). Tesla is pushing the market to progress into the future. Watch some of Sandy munros' analysis. Teslas' push toward quality just embarrasses the big 3 dinosaurs. Fewer parts, fewer connectors. They" rock".
Their "no-brainer" switching to electric is going to be a shock when they realize gasoline fuel will just be exported to less fortunate countries around the globe. Do they think they can just shut off gasoline production when they are making everything out of plastic?
China had plans to double their petroleum plastic manufacturing and this was years ago, they know the average American will not be able to afford these vehicles, that's where the huge push for ride sharing apps come in.
@@ravenouself4181 I am all about alternatives. With no petroleum products, what would you be left with is my question to you, and how would you survive if you were suddenly cut off from power and couldn't use a petrol-powered generator in the middle of winter? They are already starting to outlaw them in the USA.
I wouldn't necessarily say Rivian is ahead. I think it's too early to tell whether they're ahead of Tesla, behind Tesla, or matching traditional manufactures. Using a modular platform that can be stretched and altered to suit different needs is already commonly done (like the Volkswagen group sharing parts between Bentley, Porsche, Audi, and Lamborghini). In the EV space, KIA/Hyundai/Genesis are already sharing modular platforms to make the Kia EV6, Hyundai Ioniq 5, and the Genesis GV60. Tesla's doing the same, with the Model 3 and Model Y sharing as much similarity as possible yet still fulfilling the sedan and crossover markets. I think only time will tell. Either way, I'm glad to see more and more competition in the EV space, it'll push companies harder against each other, and in turn, give us better EVs
@@punishthewicked5845 I'm just trying to be friendly. I like Tesla because of how they operate and vertically integrate to bring all the pieces of their cars together. Especially since what they showed on battery day and AI day, it further cements to me that Tesla knows how to push the state of the art. I can go into the small technical details why I think Tesla is pulling off incredible feats of engineering (e.g. Gigacasting, integrating memory into their Autopilot systems, etc.), but I doubt people would like to listen to me nerd out on this
Awesome vehicles, gorgeous designs and made in the USA! My question with electrics is always what kind of range do you get when towing on a hot summer day and the a/c on full.
I can see buying an EV if you're a homeowner, but what if you live in an apartment development and park in the street, like many have not choice, that can be a nightmare. The wait for a charge is a drag also, and imagine waiting in a sketchy neighborhood. More like toys for the rich at this point in time. Thumbs up to Scotty for bringing this video, lots of info and hard work by Scotty appreciated.
Here in fl. We already have the right to charge. If your parking space is considered "limited common area" you can install a plug. Also consider how much easier and safer it is to trasport electrons over gas.
Exactly. These policies marketed as saving the environment always end of hurting poor people the most. Mandating electric only vehicles - makes vehicles more expensive. Carbon tax, mandating renewable energy - makes things more expensive. The government should in no way be involved in determining what technology is a winner. A family living in a giant house and having a Tesla as a second or 3rd vehicle will in no way whatsoever be any kinder to the environment than a family living in a modest house and driving a used Honda Civic. Check out the carbon footprint of Al Gore, Obama, The British Royal Family, or any other woke politician or Hollywood Celebrity. Hypocrites the lot of them.
"Atlis Motors" The specs sound great, but have they ever made a production vehicle? I have my doubts that they'll make it. If they do, it'll probably be at least as expensive as Tesla and Ford and Rivian (or more likely an expensive niche vehicle for heavy towing/payloads). Tesla and Ford haven't made production versions of the BEV pickup truck, yet, but they have each demonstrated the ability (and have the financing) to produce vehicles in production quantities. Rivian has produced a few hundred of these BEV pickups, and has financing, so its head start in this market gives them a shot at making it.
Although I'm invested in Tesla, I admit the Rivian truck lineup is exciting. I join Elon Must in hoping Rivian and all the other EV startups "live long and prosper!"
70 million car mkt worldwide annually. Lotsa room under the tent. Funny that Scotty thinks there can only be only one US EV survivor. Math, how do it work?
@@dinkstover8606 It all depends on how well the engineers drive down the cost to manufacture. Tesla has completely changed the manufacturing game. You may sell some cars, but if they are 20% more expensive than a Tesla, then your market is limited to the Tesla haters that don't mind paying more to get less.
We need them all if there is to be a full over switch. Tesla is great but they are so back ordered that if everbody bought only Tesla, we wouldn't be completely transitioned to EV for another twenty years.
I admit, I'm impressed by the power, the longevity of the charge and the versatility of production on the same "skateboard" base. It seems like Rivian had done its preparation and homework. The key will be the ability of the company to not over-innovate and cause theienown extinction. If that isn't enough of a threat, the ever changing battery technologies and the substances with which they're constructed could take a wet dream of an EV future and turn it into a nightmare of the next missing link of vehicle production. I wish Rivian the best. And, as an FJ owner and fan, I like the design and capabilities of the truck and SUV.
I own an FJ aswell and really Love it. I also Like this new Truck & SUV. I Truly hope something doesn't go wrong to screw this company up. These vehicles are Amazing. Good Luck for Our Future.
We’re in the beginning of the EV revolution. We got a long way to go. Just matter of time to see where things go and improve. I do wish they give Tesla some competition. It’s the best for the industry.
@@jorgepadilla9945 Well Yes. However, unless Batteries can Improve, or the Lithium shortage is sorted out Somehow, this So Called Revolution will take another 20-30 years. It's Flat Out Not Here Yet. And, Battery life is Short. Not the Charges, the 'Life-Span'. I'm researching this New Deal. Hydrogen is the Real Answer.
@@jorgepadilla9945 very much like Vincenzo said, the revolution is at a critical point... it must continue for the benefit of the science and NOT the financial gain. It's the greed that will bury the forward progress of the science, not the mineral rights or availability.
I'm from Peoria IL and worked for rivian... You have amazingly accurate information that is really not out there that I never knew until onboarding at rivian
It seems amazing, but I worry about price of ownership in the long run. I bought a Toyota because that thing will pay for itself over the next 10-20 years
Bought a brand new 2006 Toyota Tacoma back in 2006 of course. Paid for a long ago, no major issues whatsoever. As this will be hard to believe I literally just changed the original battery last week. Other than that the only thing I ever had to do with it besides general maintenance, fluids, brakes, tires, is change one of the belts.
I grew up in Irvine, great place for a headquarters. Don't think much about electric cars, the power grid could never stand all of us plugging in at the same time.
Rolling blackouts are bad enough without giving EVs priority over things like air conditioning with "smart" thermostats. And the Feds can't force utility companies to upgrade the grid either
Interesting discussion regarding power infastructure..l have been building residential housing developments since the mid 1980's.None of those have sufficient power capacity to serve additional demand if just half the homes want to charge vehicles. It's not as simple as just adding a receptacle and expecting the electric line to your home to flow more current.A lot more planning and upgrading will be needed.This is going to be rather expensive.Some how l don't think the home owners on a street with gas vehicles are going to help pay.
Scotty did a really good job presenting this story. I didn’t know much about it until I watched this. Nice looking machine… easier to look at then the Tesla Cybertruck IMHO
@@rhett7716 actually it’s designed to be very practical. Of course until its available to test out one can’t know for sure. I can assure you though that the design is based on ease of manufacturing and function. Its appearance is the result of that and not arbitrary.
Great truck, it's good they dropped the price some to about 70k but that is still too much for me. It is new technology, new plants, new everything so people like me can wait for awhile and most likely buy one new since the next new models will be even better. And by that time their charging network will be more available. For better or worse (for some people) it was Tesla who got EVs going and not GM contrary to Pres. DunderHead.
Scotty! I would love to buy a Rivian Truck to pull our 30 foot Toy Hauler Travel Trailer to go to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally every year, (we've been attending since 2005!), but at $70,000 and being 65, retired, we would have to sell our "paid off" house to buy one! Fortunately, our 1999 Silverado 2500 LD 4 X 4, gas 6.0L, (first year, new body style), 350,000 mile Chevy Truck, which we paid $3,000 for 7 years ago, we will still use it to make the 3,000 mile round trip, (with the original un-rebuilt engine), without burning a drop of oil between it's 5000 mile oil changes! Even with JB's $5 a gallon gas it's still doable. Let's go Brandon!
No one ever talks about the electric grid upgrades needed to charge electric vehicles. Upgrades from the home to the generator will be needed if too many of these charging sites are built. So factor in the resources and carbon foot print to upgrade the electrical system. It's one of the Pandora box's no one's talking about.
Give me a break. The cost to build more renewable energy sources with battery back up is significantly less than the cost to build carbon based generation. That said it would be best to also start building new and safe nuclear generation capacity as well.
@@gordoncrespo2045 Utilities build gas fired plants to pick up the slack of renewables. And battery backup for when the sun does not shine and wind does not blow is not in use on a scale that does much. Those batteries only last so long need replaced. What happens when the sun does not shine bright for 2 or 3 days in a row, the batteries go dead and you have to rely on a another source of power. Most batteries are being used to peak shaving not actual demand at night.
@@elkhunter3382 of course it’s not. It’s a nascent industry and will take time to build. But as I mentioned even now it’s much less expensive to build renewable energy sources with battery back up than coal, oil or natural gas peaker plants and eventually as solar, wind and battery tech improve it will be cheaper to build those instead of any other form of energy generation. That’s probably at least a decade away but we all better hope we do it because it CO2 emissions are dramatically reduced we will have a lot more to worry about than the cost of EV’s.
First of all, thank you for warning us about Tesla. And yes, I like the R1T. Gods Bless you Scotty, for always telling us the truth about vehicles, and other things.
Tesla will be the leading electric car manufacturer for years to come. Scotty hasn’t got a clue as to what’s happening with electric vehicles. He’s a dinosaur! Do some of your own research for gawds sake. Tesla is the only non-Chinese firm making money selling all electric cars. The legacy automakers lose money on every BEV they make. The Tesla model 3 was the best selling vehicle in Germany , BEV, Hybrid or ICE, in the month of September. Do you think the Germans are clueless about cars? All I can say to you folks who can’t see Tesla becoming the biggest auto manufacturer in the world is 😂😂😂😂
I've been watching out for the Rivian for years. Other than the robot-face front, I really like the design. For my general day to day driving or maybe a weekend outing, it would be great. Unfortunately, the technology and infrastructure is not yet mature enough to make it good for long distance travel. Charge times are still too long.
Infrastructure as in charging station is decades behind. Example: apartment complexes, how about city dwellers that have to park on the street. Charging station will have to be far more abundant then parking meters. What about the chargers that will be vandalized and components stolen for scrap. I can go on but I think you get the picture
The problem with Ev's is battery replacement will be extremely expensive in the thousands I would imagine and end of life disposal. You cannot just throw them away as Lithium batteries are flammable and need to be recycled. If not we will have huge piles of spent EV batteries. Seems we are just swapping one problem for another. The cost of $60k - $70k is too high for a lot of people myself included.
"...Lithium batteries are flammable and need to be recycled" So, you recycle them. As capability improves (there are already companies that are recycling the EV batteries), it should be cheaper to buy lithium from a recycler than from a company that mines it.
Battery recycling is terribly inefficient at present and Tesla has yet to give their full support to the only battery refurbishing center in the country, Gruber Motors of Arizona. It seems individual modules within the battery pack have a tendency to fail before the battery pack's projected life span. Cool tech for sure, but without aftermarket support, EVs have zero sustainability
I’ve got a buddy of mine who works at the Normal plant, and they are pumped! He is working 60 hours a week and they are on track.he said the job there is better now than when it was Mit!
@@stoopidwookie1695 majority of humans on earth, and even a majority of people in America don’t even make $70,000 a year. The vast majority of cars on the road are less then $25,000. You could get a badass truck for 40-50k or you could get a basic truck for 30-40k. If you but this electric truck you also have to live in an area where there are charging stations around, otherwise you have to spend 10k installing a charging station in ur home, and spend massive amounts of money on ur electric bill every month from charging the thing. Most people can not afford that, this is a car for rich people just call it what it is.
Ya know as far as exterior design they are 95% there just get rid of those jack ayye head lamps put something more main line its a 100 percent winner to me
I have seen the truck in person at a trade show (but could not drive it) - it's a impressive chassis and definitely off-road capable. It seems like a mature platform already. I would be a buyer if the range was about 500 miles. And I don't like the industry trend of proprietary chargers - it would be nice to have standard fast chargers with the same software and plug types all over the US.
Reminder of the desktop computer industry before IBM jumped in and standardized the industry and the advent of MSDOS. Why IBM didn’t buy 90% of Microsoft is probably the dumbest business mistake ever.
To me, that's where the Cybertruck shines, in the price versus specs department. If you're looking at performance and specs versus price alone the Cybertruck is hands down the winner between these two and any of the other electric trucks on the way. The Rivian has a lot of advantages though, is a good looking vehicle, and is going to beat Tesla to the market by about a year from what I'm hearing.
your statement is held by most drivers we demand 500 miles like we get today . We also need 15 min charging time or these autos will be only for local driving like today
Scotty I used to work at the Mitsubishi Plant in Normal IL it started out as Diamond Star Motors(DSM) a venture between Mitsubishi and Chrysler. I worked there for 11 years. The beauty of our plant was we could build several body types of vehicle on the same assembly line with totally different platforms, It was a great place to work, even back in 2001 they was paying 30 bucks an hour plus 100% medical.
When I first saw the R1T on youtube, I was impressed. The real problem was that the price was prohibitive for most buyers. Now it sounds like it has come down to something almost reasonable. Progress.
Starting at $68,000….I wish them well…but the ford lightning I believe starts at $43,000….that’s a huge difference….I mean when you look around you’ll see 100s of ford trucks in a single day….this is more like a Range Rover….I might see 2 or 3 of those a day….
@@SuperMachead1 True, have not been a Ford fan but that price point is very alluring. Ford lightning is probably the best EV cost - bang for your buck - on the road right now.
My question. With the government and manufacturers shoving ev down our throats, they are leaving out the poor and middle income families who can afford them
The ‘RoR’ (Right to Repair) needs to be worked out if any technologies are to advance. If you can’t fix or improve … there are going to be a lot of ICE replacements running whatever will be the fuel of the future. 🤔🤔🤔🤔
What would you rather have.... a vehicle that breaks down every month or so and be able to fix it.... Or a vehicle that never breaks down because they dont have... Transmissions, Carburetors, Mufflers, Cam shafts, Timing Belts, Points system, Gas Filters, Oil Filters, Alternators, Starters, and the list goes on..... Booooo Hooooo... You Can however Buy a Conversion Kit for your Existing Vehicle to turn it into an EV. This would Solve both your issues...... Bammmmm
In my opinion, trucks benefit most from electric technology. The application of electric on trucks makes so much sense because of superior torque and weight distribution.
Giving the big companies a piece of the pie is probably the only way. Looks good as a base design. Parts being interchangeable is a great idea. Wonder if that will last? I think this obsession with the 0 to 60 performance is costing the overall design of efficiency. You need low end torque sometimes, but I would rather have distance than speed. Nice presentation!
Thank you Scotty for another very professional video review. I will wait and let this truck prove itself before I buy or maybe I will use my $20k Bolt to convert my Tundra to electric.
I knew a retired technical director from a major car manufacturer. He hoped that batteries could be interchangeable between cars and could be swapped at service stations by robotics using AI. At the "pump", the old battery is slid out and a recharged one is slotted in. The old one goes into a charging area below ground level with many other batteries on rotation and once charged is ready for another vehicle. The obstacle was getting all manufacturers to use the same battery in the same location under the car.
In China, there is the NIO, and it swaps battery packs (some TH-cam examples). Elon decided charging stations was better; it may yet to prove a bad call. Time will tell.
NIO already dose this exact thing, they give you the option to buy the battery or lease it. You can charge them regularly but also bring them into a designated batter swaping station, park your car in the bay and robots dose the rest. The changing station are all over the place in China. They are going global.
They should have toaster sized modules that anyone could swap in their garage. They could have spares charging with solar panels during the day while you are at work for the next day. You just insert the number of modules you'll need for that day and that would save from hauling a heavy unneeded battery around all the time. You could also power your house during a power outage.
@@Xyquest I have wondered why someone doesn't come out with a main body that's short range with small swappable modules and has a trailer for longer ranges. If you want to go more than the, say, 40 miles it usually does and is near its max, you select the number of batteries you need and put them on the trailer for that distance need. The trailer could take you from, say, an 80 mile range, to up to a 400 range, by holding 1 to 9 modules. On long trips, depots can exchange modules. For interstate trips, depots can exchange trailers. You don't get out and swap modules along the way into the main body; it plugs in and the batteries are virtually on-board. I would have a solo car for work, and a family car, as well, since owning two vehicles per household is quite normal. You would only need the one trailer.
It all comes down to deliveries and pricing... Companies can actually deliver product this year and next... Certainly the demand is there... Lithium supply is vital so there's good investments also
I like the Rivian line up, but where is all the electricity going to come from to charge them? The gov't is supposed to be trying to raise taxes on oil, gas and natural gas today, along with adding further drilling restrictions. Heard the current admin wants gasoline at about $8/gallon plus they want to charge miles driven now, to collect for the road taxes that current EV owners don't have to pay. Things may turn bad soon.
I am genuinely impressed by how far we have come with electric vehicles. I hope we go farther. Right now, however, I have a truck with a 36-gallon tank and on trips to North Carolina from Pennsylvania I can go on a tank and a half. My truck averages a little shy of 23 mpg on this trip. I only make one fuel stop in Virginia on the way back (A fuel stop can take maybe 5 minutes). I struggle with being reliant on a charging system network that is in its infancy. On the electric model, I can go 300 or 400 miles, and need to stop for 2 hours? I believe in the electric pickup design. I even love that the Ford offering can act as a generator for my house. I just feel like we're not quite there yet. Maybe it's a push forward, to go backward, to go forward. If my truck lasts 10 years from now, maybe I will be the one with range anxiety and feel differently. Let's not forget if we are just shifting the cost, when the price of electricity increases over the charging demand.
Pretty much this. EV is the future, and it is in its infancy. If you think about it, gas engines in their infancy were terribly inefficient and probably hard to fill up reliably, and find gas stations for. However, the EV industry needs early buy ins to keep getting better. Tesla is the most stable, but they need good competition to keep the research push going. I believe the Model S can get 80% charge in 30 minutes now. That's 19 minutes faster than last years model even. A thought I have is we will get bigger batteries until they solve the speed charging thermal issue. Once they do that, I see batteries getting a little smaller because the charge times won't be an issue. If they can get 80% charge in 10 minutes, I'd call the charging complaints a wash, as 10 minutes isn't that bad. Long trips me and the family would easily spend 15 minutes filling up, bathroom, snacks, etc.
that's the problem with having an EV at this point. Yes, it is the future, but the charging infrastructure atm frankly sucks in most areas. It's just not practical for most people to go EV yet. Maybe in 5 years if they really beef up the infrastructure
Increased electricity demand will not change electricity prices the same way as electricity. Ultimately electric cars are so much more efficient then ICE cars that it will pretty much always be cheaper to run. Even including heat losses from generation it’s still substantially more efficient then gas.
You forgot to mention that Evan and Charley rode electric Harleys all the way from the tip of South America to California which was the subject of the long way up special
Honestly I hope all 3 succeed Tesla, Rivian and Lucid. I have stock in all 3 and own a Model 3. To see these companies succeed among the giants like GM and Ford will be remarkable
Lucid is cool but doesn't have much of a chance. VW was good but their dumb union just screwed their chances. Rivian Wil only be around for bezos, otherwise goodbye.
Tesla will be number 1 with BYD no 2, but tesla will be commercial and mostly high end except in China. It until the range is above 500 miles preferable ly a 1000 with really fast charging not a practical 1st car or truck for me.
Union labor in Ford and GM is a deal killer. Integrated structures made by robots is the way to go. California is the worst place to own a manufacturing plant.
My nephew just got a position with Rivian; moved him from AL to IL. He's been working there now a few months; saw him at my sister's house this past Thanksgiving and he's pretty happy with his new job. Looks like a good and legit company unlike Elio (not an electric car but I had high hopes for this car that went no where; lol). :)
I like the Rivian truck. I think it looks great and has great utility. But can the company scale? Can they make 10 million cars a year? There are challenges at various levels of scale. The main points of failure now are battery and chip supply. Tesla can meet those challenges. So far no other car company can. They offer "models" but they don't sell units. I see Tesla cars on the road all the time. No Rivians. No Mach-E. No VW EV's. Just Tesla. Tesla is moving units out the door. Other companies have a veritable Victoria's Secret magazine full of models but they have no production volume to speak of. I want to see Rivian succeed. I'm not sure they will.
This video is just how the host continues to show his hate on Tesla. Rivian has not delivered a single car to a real world customers yet, only to their employees. Building an electric car is hard, ask the people who makes Chevy Bolt.
EVs are ALL about the batteries, and until long lasting solid state batteries become commercially viable I'd be concerned about buying one. When the cost of replacing a battery pack can be tens of thousands of dollars, purchasing an EV could be an economically unwise decision. And depending on the kind of support the manufacturer provides to that EV, it might not be an environmentally friendly solution either.
The current crop of batteries being used have 20-30 year life cycles. That's not going to require a replacement unless you only buy 2 cars in your lifetime.
@@victorluke5816 Can you quote a source for that 20-30 year life cycle? I looked at two recent articles (written in March this year, from Car Magazine UK and Truecar) and one claims a 12 year life cycle, the other states 10. Both point out that heat can shorten a battery pack's lifespan, and one states that frequent rapid charging (among other things) will significantly reduce the lifespan of the battery pack. If you live in an area with unusually high ambient temperatures, then it's likely that you'll also experience a reduced battery pack lifespan - particularly if that battery pack uses passive cooling like the Nissan Leaf.
@@rhett7716 As I understand it, Tesla do make some of the best EV battery packs in the world. Under normal conditions, I'd expect them to last for at least 10 years, and more likely 12 - 15. But it still depends a lot on how you treat them. I wouldn't be surprised if a Plaid battery pack lasts for less than 8 years, for example, since many people are using those cars as (essentially) drag racers. Which results in very rapid battery discharge and that's got to have a serious negative effect on the battery pack's lifespan.
Car engines have the same issues. As a number of companies have found, rebuilding battery packs can be done quite economically as batteries are often killed by single cell failures. Replace the single open circuit cell and you are back on line.
Prototypes are easy, production is hard (Elon Musk). We shall see if Rivian is successful….. they are not yet on Tesla’s level (e.g. Gigafactory) and Cybertruck comes out 2023 year……… and Ford just broke ties with Rivian.
The electric car market… placing senior citizens back on the bus. No way in hell most Seniors could afford $68K on a Rivian. And if that’s the affordable model I guess we’re going back to the bus.
Everyday use and reliability remains to be seen with all these trucks. Especially when you consider where 4wd trucks are used the most in the rust belt states. If everything like ball joints, wheel bearings and brake components literally rust together and rot away how well will the components in and around the wheel wells will hold up on an electric truck in one of the rust belt states?
Honestly I think it'll be fine. Electric vehicles are so much better in literally every way than traditional vehicles. The issue Rivian has is how things will be repaired when something does break (since people are taking these off-road supposedly). But even in "unreliable" brands you usually don't start seeing major issues for many many years. So new buyers are probably safe.
@@Kevin-cf8uu I like the enthusiasm but they aren't better in every way, not yet at least. And I'm rooting for Rivian and want EVs to be successful. I do agree I think they should hold up well, and an 8 year 175k power train and battery warranty certainly should out MOST owners at ease. I don't believe it will be flawless, there will probably be some recalls, but every manufacturer has recalls on almost every car, even the good ones like Honda and Toyota. It's what happens when bean counters get to override engineers :)
There are literally thousands of BEV charging stations from the Canadian/Washington boarder to San Francisco. There are ZERO places to refill a hydrogen fuel cell powered car.
A very good start for a new company and it's first product. I know, I was at GM on the ev1 program. I will most likely be buying a RT1 in the future. My hats off to you.
Cybertruck is 30-40% less for equal performance due to the engineering brilliance of the exoskeleton frame, will come with the million mile 4680 battery and it won't get dings, dents or rust.
"Cybertruck is 30-40% less for equal performance..." Actually, you have no idea what the Cybertruck will cost, because Tesla doesn't know either (or will no longer put its "guesses" online). "For equal performance," you'll need the mid-priced version of the CyberTruck, not the low-end version. I don't dispute that the CyberTruck sounds great. I'd love to have one. But unless your name is already on the reservation list, you probably won't be able to buy one for four years, or maybe much longer. "Recently, Tesla removed all Cybertruck pricing and specs from its website, so those prices listed above could certainly change." - Electrek
The option to purchase additional batteries for extended range is smart. WHAT'S EVEN MORE PROFITABLE THOUGH, the dealerships should offer a battery rental service so if we decide to road trip, rent a large range battery so recharging would be non-existent or extremely minimal 🤔
How about a ERV with solar panels for camping in a camp ground with recharging plug in or in the boonies? I have a Chevy van converted to full RV by RoadTrek. They went bankrupt and was sold off. But their concept is good for small campers.
The only think I do not like about the truck is the front end. The headlights and daylight running lights look weird. But everything else is amazing. I seen a video of the truck going off road. And I am impressed.
I need an electric vehicle. My 2007 BMW 328xi costs $100 per week to fuel. I wanna switch to electricity, but I don't have enough money for a new one and I've heard that repairing a used one is expensive when the batteries die. (though the same can be said about the engine of a car...🤔)
Get a Model 3 Tesla, do what you have to to make the payments....you’ll have it the rest of your life. It’s $45k, one time only. You’ll save right away on BMW maintenance and your “fuel” bill will drop to about $25/week (my fuel costs dropped to 1/4 when I switched from an Infiniti G37 to a Model 3).
@@johncahill3644 tesla uses lithium ion batteries which need replacing (at the absolute most) every 10 years due to degradation. A battery costs about $12,000, not to mention how this car would be completely obselete in about 10 years time due to acceleration of electric car technology. Other problem is tesla won't let you fix their cars. You could actually fix a battery cell for a few thousand but tesla make you replace the whole thing as it means your more likely to buy a new car. Much like apple with phones they are vehemently against right to repair which doesn't make sense as they are supposed to be a green company.
Electric bill definitely won't be free either so there's always going to be a "fuel" cost, It wouldn't make sense to spend $50,000 to save $100/week so if anything get a used low mile hybrid I disagree with spending $45k on a Model 3 and you'll have it the rest of your life, It's not going to run forever eventually the battery will degrade and Tesla is Apple when it comes to repairing their products.
I just wonder where all the extra electricity will come from to power everything. If you can't use fossil fuels to generate, the sun doesn't always shine, the wind doesn't always blow, even the rivers don't always flow consistently. How do you store all the energy so that the grid doesn't "brown out" when the demand out paces the generated energy? What about disposal of everything needed when the life cycle runs out? How much of the materials used will be recyclable? How will the raw materials be collected and refined? What is the estimated number of raw materials that are easily accessed and how much does the Earth have of each? I'm not knocking anything. I just think that we are not looking at the entire picture. As the song says, "Every Rose Has Its Thorn".
Aggreed. For every positive, there's a negative. Somewhere down the line, there's going to be a cost in the end. Just like nuclear energy. Positive end, it's cleaner sourse of energy, the negative side is disposing of the still radio active inofficiant fuel rods. Lithium isn't an abundance resource either. In time that will be depleted as well.
@@swordedaffair yes back in the 70`s I could get enough to go to school and work,, and I said if gas got to $1:00 I'd stop driving just paid $3:69 today.
This is actually where Hydrogen might be of use. Solar and wind generated electricity can be stored as elemental Hydrogen or converted to ammonia. Old power generation plants can then be kept on line when needed powered by the ammonia instead of natural gas or coal. This is way cheaper than putting 2.1 trillion dollars worth of hydrogen fuel stations to make that system usable.
Great video presentation Scotty - *WELL DONE!* I really like the R1S, I have no use for a pickup, so I will be an R1S owner before '22 ends. Really like what this company has put together for their first offerings. I just hope build quality will be better than Tesla's first offerings. Please Rivian no annoying creaks, roof leaks, or hood and doors fitment issues!
I pull up to charge at the station, to see a vehicle already charging, with 15 min. to go. I have to wait 35 min. to charge. No, I think commercial fleets will love these tho. Set up their own proprietary stations here and there for emergency maybe, but otherwise send half the delivery vehicles out, run a 4 hr. route, bring them in to charge, with the other half of the fleet charged and ready to finish the relay. I'm not driving from Tampa to Seattle in one any time soon.
Everyone saying “$70k is a lot.” Yes it is, but that’s how a lot of auto startups get their footing. It’s the same thing Tesla did, don’t forget. Tesla’s used to cost over $100k. Now they have them for $35k. Rivian will be available to the masses as the company gains momentum and the technology becomes more available
So, it can tow 11,000 lbs? That’s good, but for how far? When towing all that extra weight, will the mileage drop down to 50 miles? 30 miles? 10 miles?
The cool thing with electric is their high torque. So towing wise it will be slightly greater distance than current 2500 trucks. The issue will be how long it will take to fill it yp
My brother has a tesla x, we have used it to tow my boat. The boat and trailer weigh 3498 lbs ready to fish. It is 166 miles round trip, there is an elevation rise of 3112 feet on the route. We have done this 9 times, we routinely arrive home with between 14% to 18% of battery capacity remaining. The battery is rated for 350 miles of range. This is just our personal experience, so take it for what it's worth.
I was going to order one. After I added all the options, the out the door price was almost $100k. Ergo, I decided to wait for F, TSLA, and TM to what they have to offer in a year or two. Financially, $100k is a lot of money for most people to purchase a vehicle. The ROI is simply awful.
Why not have the ability to change the battery ( like a battery power tool) when it runs flat🤔,pull into a power station and change over the low battery for a full battery 🤔
Love their style. Think that with better development the 4wd will be unbeatable, but from what I have seen and heard the feel is not like having a diff lock so it’s off putting when in precarious situations.
I'm honestly excided for these electric pickups. What I'm not excited about is the lack of infrastructure at the moment, the cost, and wear of batteries. These will obviously change with a growing power grid aswell as companies making it more and easily replaced batteries. When that happens I'll easily get one
The batteries don't need replacing. At least Tesla's don't. GM is having some issues but a Tesla can go a lot longer than the average life span of an ICE vehicle before you need a new motor or battery. You are more likely to wreck the car than need to replace a battery. We will see how the Rivian's hold up.
Batteries, in theory, should outlast the cars frame. Lemons will happen, but the cycles wise they should last quite a while. The cost sucks, I agree. I want an EV so bad but can't afford it right now. Also a big plus, recycling lithium ion batteries is supposedly cheaper than mining new resources, and plants are being opened to do this. If the manufacturers and the recycling plants can contract and work together, it'd help reduce the need for the unethical mines. Now we just need faster green energy development, at least in the US.
What exactly don’t you trust about Tesla?? First off I’m not a Tesla fanboy BUT they have delivered over a MILLION vehicles. Rivian has delivered ZERO vehicles to customers ... that makes them more trustworthy in your mind?!?! Tesla has obviously had problems BUT you have no idea what kind of problems Rivian is going to have once customers start actually driving those vehicles. Scotty RELIGIOUSLY preaches to never by a car during the first model year BUT you’d rather go with a Rivian than a Tesla because “I don’t trust Tesla vehicles.” What is not to trust about Tesla?!?!
These are excellent and I am so impressed with everything Rivian is doing. And I believe that the competition many are worried about shouldn't be a problem, since there are more customers for excellent EVs than all of the manufacturers can fulfill the needs of and healthy competition is good.
Not worried, but as a Mercedes fanboy I am still very much impressed. Somehow their first vehicle is damn near perfect for its intended purpose while they are also less controversial than Tesla. I hope the EQG Mercedes is working on will make equally good use of the electric engines as the Rivian does. Atm it’s the best off-road ev on the market and honestly by now we can already forget about the cybertruck lol.
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R1T has a bed the size of a Subaru Brat's. Not very usable.
Ford has the electric F150, Rivian has a more intuitive interface like a Tesla and Tesla's Cyber truck is not slated for production until 2023 at the soonest.
70 thousand? Not good.
Rivian is overvalued and I wouldn't buy it even ford dropped them as a business partner. How much did Rivian pay you to promote them lol come on man
If electric vehicles are truly going to take over the market they cannot each have their own proprietary charging stations. There needs to be a single charging unit for all EVs. Imagine if Fords only ran on Ford gas from Ford's network of gas stations, Toyotas only ran on Toyota gas from their network, etc.
Tesla's chargers will now be able to charge other EVs. The EU is doing something about this by mandating a certain plug type.
There are universal charging networks, but they suck. Tesla is opening up their network to others.
Right, here in Europe the EU imposed the CCS standard. Now everybody here ,including Tesla but excluding Nissan with it's Chademo, follows it suit.
@@Rodrigo_xt8c2 The EU is doing something about this. Congress is waiting for their bribes before deciding
@@glennbarrera8353 🤣
Very impressive. I'm glad it's designed and made in USA. We need more of this innovation here at home. Bring it all back home to the USA
There is nothing original made in USA anymore without the involvement of the Britishit. Why do you think they get out of the European Union, if, they did not have enough American politicians in their pocket?
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About what, that the US became the Britishit tool to protect the Britishit all around the world? Consider this, the First Gulf War, US single handedly brought down the Iraqi forces and saved Kuwait, yet, the oil in Kuwait never came to the US. The US historically bought oil from Saudi Arabia. The oil in Kuwait went to Britishit. So, the US saved the Britishit in the First Gulf War. If, it wasn't for the US Britishit could never have got rid of Saddam out of Kuwait.
Can you figure out the rest of your own?
When I was in college for electrical engineering back in the 90’s, my professor said the cars of the future would be electric. He went on to say that you would buy a platform and then pick the bodies you would like. You would have a minivan body for the family and a pickup truck body in the garage for work. They could be easily swapped out in the garage. Everything was plug and play. He also said tv’s would be flat as a picture on the wall and car batteries would be smaller than a 9 volt battery.
Astute professor.
Well, so far he's 2 for 3 which I believe Meatloaf had something to say about.
@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 Ain't bad.
Your professor was an alien, i bet
@@jeannetteyoung8585 And he had a blue phone booth in the broom closet...
It seems like Rivian is taking their time to perfect their brand and not rush, because when you rush you creates problems. I think Rivian is going to be successful.
I am not impressed by much when it comes to electric vehicles. But Rivian has changed my mind on the EV front with both offerings. Unfortunately the are still many barriers in the way for the EV here in Australia.
Just started working in the battery department at the rivian plant in my town!
Nice! When will they have a battery that goes 1000 miles?
@@Maynardd I would say within 10 year. Allready Toyota and Mercedes have a 1000 mile battery prototype just production too high
@@Maynardd never and thats not necessary
@@mattbrew11 Being necessary or not is a matter of opinion, or what you feel you need out of a vehicle. Do I want to stop after the battery is completely drained from a full charge when I’m trying to drive from Michigan to Florida and wait around forever for it to charge? Absolutely not. I would have to wait a minimum 20 minutes just to get 140 mile charge. Not to mention finding a station along the way. It’s not like you can just pull into any gas station. What if I don’t have enough charge to get to one? And Its probably be more like 110 miles on a 20 minute charge. Then I’m stopping every two hours charging for 20 minutes. For me, completely unacceptable.
As I often tow a boat as well, now your range is cut in half. Also completely unacceptable. In my opinion a 1000 mile battery is eventually going to be a necessity.
@@Maynardd what will happen over time is the charging speeds will increase. On a road trip what you wanna do is leave at 100% then charge it from 5-10% to 80% the last 20% is slow just like your cell phone.
There will be as many chargers as there are gas stations in the US by 2028 and more chargers than gas pumps by 2031.
Also something to consider. All the time in your life youll save never going to a gas station when youre commuting.
The company is interesting. That said, saying a a company that has delivered just a few vehicles and no profit is more valuable than nearly every other car manufacturers is just crazy talk. I wish them the best and having Amazon's deep pockets can definitely help any growing pains.
Those legacy car makers are trash, that's why wallstreet values then so low.
I mean, you could say the same thing about Tesla about five years ago. Even today, Tesla makes a fraction of the cars General Motors makes and only recently has shown a modest profit. Yet they are valued at over 10X that of General Motors.
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I believe where those domestic auto makers continue to fall short in is midsize car and small suv categories. That’s why Tesla was able to find a gap and exploit it so easily. However when it comes to trucks and large SUVs, the big 3 automakers have a very loyal following and are extremely profitable. The only reason why they have continued to manufacture small cars is because they are required to meet average fuel economy standards across all categories per government mandate. This forces them to hang onto vehicles like the Ford Focus and the Chevy Malibu and Trail Blazer that no one is buying and thus these companies lose money or break even on.
Dinosaurs will be extinct ... again. The others like GM and Ford have been very late to the party
I agree with you 100%
I left Tesla Service as a Technician due to lack of growth opportunity, so I joined Rivian Corporate to work side by side with engineers and would not have to deal with customers ever again. Best career move I ever made. Keep the world adventurous forever!
I would suggest your lack of advancement within Tesla is more about your capability then lack of opportunity!
Just a heads up whether you are at Tesla or Rivian you are only employed *because* of customers, and as a customer we don't like dealing with fcukw!tt Service Technicians............
I'm really excited about Rivian, I really believe they're going to do great. They're going to have their bumps just like every other car manufacturer starting out but once they have a solid foundation they're going to be one of the top manufacturers in my opinion. Now if I could just get the money to buy one.
No rush it will still take them time to get proper production running … Elon is right Rivian can make the Machine but They still need to build out the Machine that builds the machine, they probably have the money but it’s more complicated than building prototypes and limited production runs. They look far more like Lexus than Toyota so they really need to up their production abilities ...
This didn’t age well
I'm excited about this truck. I like the cubby hole behind the seats/cab that they also made a camp kitchen for, also the tent. I would def. use this as a camping/off-road vehicle.
Why is a company that just went public, has limited online driving data in the midst of Tesla, no on demand performance data, no long term battery data, no longterm quality considered the future of EV?
Rivian is a house of cards. No company can touch Tesla for the foreseeable future.
@@jtlovestj Tesla is the house of cards, if it didn't have taxpayer support, with out our consent, it would already be over....
Interesting Ford invested in Rivian knowing they had been developing and recently released the Ford F-150 Lightning which will directly compete with. Still feel as an electric battery car owner that hydrogen fuel cell autos would be a better fit for personal transportation, similar refueling process as IC autos and can convert current infrastructure gas pumps over to hydrogen as user base grows. Just my opinion
I agree with you about hydrogen fuel cell. I also don't like how much pollution is produced in the production of Lithium Ion.
They made some hydrogen ICE motors a while back and I think those would be a lot cooler option than the electric fuel cell vehicles. It’s a kind of hybrid hybrid. Still only puts out water vapor as a byproduct and you don’t get the instant torque from the electric motor but for all of the gearheads that just don’t want to see the ICE engine die but understand why it has to it seems like the best of both worlds. The only downside is how much electricity it takes to produce the hydrogen. It would be cool though if you could buy a setup to produce it yourself at home with just some solar panels and water. In fact if you had a small portable one you wouldn’t ever run out of fuel unless you’re in the desert 😂!
Agreed. I will not buy this already outdated technology. Every charge you give the less life you have on the battery
Your clueless!
@@MrCountrycuz how’s that? Trust me, I can admit when I’m wrong and change my mind if I am but several years ago I saw a company (don’t remember who it was but they were just testing it. It worked but I never heard any more about it. Probably something to do with lubrication problems is the most likely thing I could imagine. You spray in hydrogen with direct injection and it was almost a direct conversion from a gasoline engine.
Just me or did this just feel like a commercial?
When he puts these out you know he's getting a little paycheck with it but who can blame him?
6:23 - Optional auxiliary external battery. This is something that seems like a good, if costly, idea to extend range if ever needed. The Rivian can also be recharged by towing it if nowhere near an electrical charge source.
Rivian’s truck features are absolutely insane. Their doing great work in the industry.
So, I need to refinance my home, sell my soul at least twice, start pimping on the side, and still keep my job to afford one?
Sounds like a plan! 🤔
Prices usually fall with volume. I don't like to be a pioneer on new products. Let others cover the initial cost of production and take the time to see if the product has any unacceptable issues.
@@markplott4820 I just looked up Rivian company and saw the trucks starting at $67K ..
For $70k it is very appropriate (I would consider it cheap). Yes not everyone can afford it but what do you expect? If you need to refinance your house to buy truck it simply NOT for you.
@@markplott4820 hmmm no
I won't be following your proposed plan.
Wondering how relevant Scotty's video on how "electric vehicles are dead" is now.
LOL
Scotty is a short sighted Tesla hater. (why I unsubbed long ago). Tesla is pushing the market to progress into the future. Watch some of Sandy munros' analysis. Teslas' push toward quality just embarrasses the big 3 dinosaurs. Fewer parts, fewer connectors. They" rock".
Scotty is a brand now and he will read any text for money.
Not sure why he goes so hard on Tesla, but loves Rivian.
It does look nice, but they wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Tesla expanding the ev market.
@@SystemChannel Good point!
Their "no-brainer" switching to electric is going to be a shock when they realize gasoline fuel will just be exported to less fortunate countries around the globe. Do they think they can just shut off gasoline production when they are making everything out of plastic?
Blame the ESG funds
@@Oni64 Exactomundo. There would be no move to electric if there wasn't big money to be gained, primarily by Blackrock.
So, are You trying to say that we should just keep using petrol without even trying to have an alternative option?
China had plans to double their petroleum plastic manufacturing and this was years ago, they know the average American will not be able to afford these vehicles, that's where the huge push for ride sharing apps come in.
@@ravenouself4181 I am all about alternatives. With no petroleum products, what would you be left with is my question to you, and how would you survive if you were suddenly cut off from power and couldn't use a petrol-powered generator in the middle of winter? They are already starting to outlaw them in the USA.
I wouldn't necessarily say Rivian is ahead. I think it's too early to tell whether they're ahead of Tesla, behind Tesla, or matching traditional manufactures. Using a modular platform that can be stretched and altered to suit different needs is already commonly done (like the Volkswagen group sharing parts between Bentley, Porsche, Audi, and Lamborghini). In the EV space, KIA/Hyundai/Genesis are already sharing modular platforms to make the Kia EV6, Hyundai Ioniq 5, and the Genesis GV60. Tesla's doing the same, with the Model 3 and Model Y sharing as much similarity as possible yet still fulfilling the sedan and crossover markets. I think only time will tell. Either way, I'm glad to see more and more competition in the EV space, it'll push companies harder against each other, and in turn, give us better EVs
Bull crap Tesla is light years ahead of all e vehicles but I do like what rivvian is doing
@@punishthewicked5845 I'm just trying to be friendly. I like Tesla because of how they operate and vertically integrate to bring all the pieces of their cars together. Especially since what they showed on battery day and AI day, it further cements to me that Tesla knows how to push the state of the art. I can go into the small technical details why I think Tesla is pulling off incredible feats of engineering (e.g. Gigacasting, integrating memory into their Autopilot systems, etc.), but I doubt people would like to listen to me nerd out on this
Awesome vehicles, gorgeous designs and made in the USA! My question with electrics is always what kind of range do you get when towing on a hot summer day and the a/c on full.
I can see buying an EV if you're a homeowner, but what if you live in an apartment development and park in the street, like many have not choice, that can be a nightmare. The wait for a charge is a drag also, and imagine waiting in a sketchy neighborhood. More like toys for the rich at this point in time. Thumbs up to Scotty for bringing this video, lots of info and hard work by Scotty appreciated.
This is a very short term problem. Already many states mandate all new apartment developments to provide charging stations. Eventually all will.
Here in fl. We already have the right to charge. If your parking space is considered "limited common area" you can install a plug. Also consider how much easier and safer it is to trasport electrons over gas.
The rich always deploy tech first. You’re welcome.
Exactly. These policies marketed as saving the environment always end of hurting poor people the most. Mandating electric only vehicles - makes vehicles more expensive. Carbon tax, mandating renewable energy - makes things more expensive. The government should in no way be involved in determining what technology is a winner. A family living in a giant house and having a Tesla as a second or 3rd vehicle will in no way whatsoever be any kinder to the environment than a family living in a modest house and driving a used Honda Civic.
Check out the carbon footprint of Al Gore, Obama, The British Royal Family, or any other woke politician or Hollywood Celebrity. Hypocrites the lot of them.
@@markplott4820 .
Is this a state law or a federal law?
70k is too much. We will see if atlis motors makes it to market or the cyber truck gets a final production model.
"Atlis Motors"
The specs sound great, but have they ever made a production vehicle? I have my doubts that they'll make it. If they do, it'll probably be at least as expensive as Tesla and Ford and Rivian (or more likely an expensive niche vehicle for heavy towing/payloads). Tesla and Ford haven't made production versions of the BEV pickup truck, yet, but they have each demonstrated the ability (and have the financing) to produce vehicles in production quantities. Rivian has produced a few hundred of these BEV pickups, and has financing, so its head start in this market gives them a shot at making it.
@@swordedaffair we will see where my rivian stock ends up.
Although I'm invested in Tesla, I admit the Rivian truck lineup is exciting. I join Elon Must in hoping Rivian and all the other EV startups "live long and prosper!"
70 million car mkt worldwide annually. Lotsa room under the tent. Funny that Scotty thinks there can only be only one US EV survivor. Math, how do it work?
@@dinkstover8606 It all depends on how well the engineers drive down the cost to manufacture. Tesla has completely changed the manufacturing game. You may sell some cars, but if they are 20% more expensive than a Tesla, then your market is limited to the Tesla haters that don't mind paying more to get less.
We need them all if there is to be a full over switch. Tesla is great but they are so back ordered that if everbody bought only Tesla, we wouldn't be completely transitioned to EV for another twenty years.
I admit, I'm impressed by the power, the longevity of the charge and the versatility of production on the same "skateboard" base. It seems like Rivian had done its preparation and homework. The key will be the ability of the company to not over-innovate and cause theienown extinction. If that isn't enough of a threat, the ever changing battery technologies and the substances with which they're constructed could take a wet dream of an EV future and turn it into a nightmare of the next missing link of vehicle production. I wish Rivian the best. And, as an FJ owner and fan, I like the design and capabilities of the truck and SUV.
I own an FJ aswell and really Love it. I also Like this new Truck & SUV. I Truly hope something doesn't go wrong to screw this company up. These vehicles are Amazing. Good Luck for Our Future.
We’re in the beginning of the EV revolution. We got a long way to go. Just matter of time to see where things go and improve. I do wish they give Tesla some competition. It’s the best for the industry.
@@jorgepadilla9945 Well Yes. However, unless Batteries can Improve, or the Lithium shortage is sorted out Somehow, this So Called Revolution will take another 20-30 years. It's Flat Out Not Here Yet. And, Battery life is Short. Not the Charges, the 'Life-Span'. I'm researching this New Deal. Hydrogen is the Real Answer.
@@jorgepadilla9945 very much like Vincenzo said, the revolution is at a critical point... it must continue for the benefit of the science and NOT the financial gain. It's the greed that will bury the forward progress of the science, not the mineral rights or availability.
I'm from Peoria IL and worked for rivian... You have amazingly accurate information that is really not out there that I never knew until onboarding at rivian
It seems amazing, but I worry about price of ownership in the long run.
I bought a Toyota because that thing will pay for itself over the next 10-20 years
not if you bought it new
Toyota already have their prototype bZ4x and some other coming in next year at an affordable price too
Sandy Monroe predicts ICE vehicle's values will plummet over the next 10 years.
Bought a brand new 2006 Toyota Tacoma back in 2006 of course.
Paid for a long ago, no major issues whatsoever. As this will be hard to believe I literally just changed the original battery last week. Other than that the only thing I ever had to do with it besides general maintenance, fluids, brakes, tires, is change one of the belts.
@@Maynardd My 1998 F350 7.3 diesel and 2007 F150 5.4 are also going strong without any issues. F150 has 263,000 miles and drives perfectly.
I grew up in Irvine, great place for a headquarters. Don't think much about electric cars, the power grid could never stand all of us plugging in at the same time.
Rolling blackouts are bad enough without giving EVs priority over things like air conditioning with "smart" thermostats. And the Feds can't force utility companies to upgrade the grid either
When does everyone plug in at the same time? Do you EV drivers flash mob or something?
Interesting discussion regarding power infastructure..l have been building residential housing developments since the mid 1980's.None of those have sufficient power capacity to serve additional demand if just half the homes want to charge vehicles. It's not as simple as just adding a receptacle and expecting the electric line to your home to flow more current.A lot more planning and upgrading will be needed.This is going to be rather expensive.Some how l don't think the home owners on a street with gas vehicles are going to help pay.
Scotty did a really good job presenting this story. I didn’t know much about it until I watched this. Nice looking machine… easier to look at then the Tesla Cybertruck IMHO
And I suppose a horse and carriage was ‘easier to look at’ than a Ford model T for many at the turn of the 20th century
@@gordoncrespo2045 Definitely NOT.
Who enjoy horse manure all over the Streets. 🤣
that cybertruck looks a totally impractical design (shape) ! 😏
@@rhett7716 actually it’s designed to be very practical. Of course until its available to test out one can’t know for sure. I can assure you though that the design is based on ease of manufacturing and function. Its appearance is the result of that and not arbitrary.
Well I hope you can afford to lose your right and left nut for this vehicle of the future that no one can afford lol 😂
And to think that Scotty did not even receive a penny for providing us with this info. Way to go Scotty.
Agree.
It sounds like he doing this for free.
Great truck, it's good they dropped the price some to about 70k but that is still too much for me. It is new technology, new plants, new everything so people like me can wait for awhile and most likely buy one new since the next new models will be even better. And by that time their charging network will be more available. For better or worse (for some people) it was Tesla who got EVs going and not GM contrary to Pres. DunderHead.
You mean Brandon?
@@ababner317 yeah that’s him.
Scotty! I would love to buy a Rivian Truck to pull our 30 foot Toy Hauler Travel Trailer to go to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally every year, (we've been attending since 2005!), but at $70,000 and being 65, retired, we would have to sell our "paid off" house to buy one! Fortunately, our 1999 Silverado 2500 LD 4 X 4, gas 6.0L, (first year, new body style), 350,000 mile Chevy Truck, which we paid $3,000 for 7 years ago, we will still use it to make the 3,000 mile round trip, (with the original un-rebuilt engine), without burning a drop of oil between it's 5000 mile oil changes! Even with JB's $5 a gallon gas it's still doable. Let's go Brandon!
No one ever talks about the electric grid upgrades needed to charge electric vehicles. Upgrades from the home to the generator will be needed if too many of these charging sites are built. So factor in the resources and carbon foot print to upgrade the electrical system. It's one of the Pandora box's no one's talking about.
Give me a break. The cost to build more renewable energy sources with battery back up is significantly less than the cost to build carbon based generation. That said it would be best to also start building new and safe nuclear generation capacity as well.
@@gordoncrespo2045 Utilities build gas fired plants to pick up the slack of renewables. And battery backup for when the sun does not shine and wind does not blow is not in use on a scale that does much. Those batteries only last so long need replaced. What happens when the sun does not shine bright for 2 or 3 days in a row, the batteries go dead and you have to rely on a another source of power. Most batteries are being used to peak shaving not actual demand at night.
@@elkhunter3382 of course it’s not. It’s a nascent industry and will take time to build. But as I mentioned even now it’s much less expensive to build renewable energy sources with battery back up than coal, oil or natural gas peaker plants and eventually as solar, wind and battery tech improve it will be cheaper to build those instead of any other form of energy generation. That’s probably at least a decade away but we all better hope we do it because it CO2 emissions are dramatically reduced we will have a lot more to worry about than the cost of EV’s.
Solar panels will provide electricity.
First of all, thank you for warning us about Tesla. And yes, I like the R1T. Gods Bless you Scotty, for always telling us the truth about vehicles, and other things.
@@gt-c- why?
He's no smarter than you or I you just gotta stayed glued to the news man.
Tesla will be the leading electric car manufacturer for years to come. Scotty hasn’t got a clue as to what’s happening with electric vehicles. He’s a dinosaur! Do some of your own research for gawds sake. Tesla is the only non-Chinese firm making money selling all electric cars. The legacy automakers lose money on every BEV they make. The Tesla model 3 was the best selling vehicle in Germany , BEV, Hybrid or ICE, in the month of September. Do you think the Germans are clueless about cars? All I can say to you folks who can’t see Tesla becoming the biggest auto manufacturer in the world is 😂😂😂😂
@@gordoncrespo2045 exactly.. these people are being gaslighted it is going to end badly for anyone who jumps on rivian
@@ouch74 well I may be 😅
I've been watching out for the Rivian for years. Other than the robot-face front, I really like the design. For my general day to day driving or maybe a weekend outing, it would be great. Unfortunately, the technology and infrastructure is not yet mature enough to make it good for long distance travel. Charge times are still too long.
I think the Government just mandated that all new charging stations also have a DC fast charger. Some can be with solar panels.
Infrastructure as in charging station is decades behind. Example: apartment complexes, how about city dwellers that have to park on the street. Charging station will have to be far more abundant then parking meters. What about the chargers that will be vandalized and components stolen for scrap. I can go on but I think you get the picture
The problem with Ev's is battery replacement will be extremely expensive in the thousands I would imagine and end of life disposal. You cannot just throw them away as Lithium batteries are flammable and need to be recycled. If not we will have huge piles of spent EV batteries. Seems we are just swapping one problem for another. The cost of $60k - $70k is too high for a lot of people myself included.
Totally agree with you.
"...Lithium batteries are flammable and need to be recycled"
So, you recycle them. As capability improves (there are already companies that are recycling the EV batteries), it should be cheaper to buy lithium from a recycler than from a company that mines it.
The used batteries are usable as is for grid storage. Afterwards further recycling will be needed.
Battery recycling is terribly inefficient at present and Tesla has yet to give their full support to the only battery refurbishing center in the country, Gruber Motors of Arizona. It seems individual modules within the battery pack have a tendency to fail before the battery pack's projected life span. Cool tech for sure, but without aftermarket support, EVs have zero sustainability
@@swordedaffair "recycling" of batteries still involves waste that is not biodegradable.
I’ve got a buddy of mine who works at the Normal plant, and they are pumped! He is working 60 hours a week and they are on track.he said the job there is better now than when it was Mit!
The poor sod. What personal time does he have having to work 60 hours a week. Where is the work life balance.
@@craigfoulkes he told me it’s gonna slow down. But he likes the money more than his personal life lol
Starting price of 70,000 dollars😹
Its cheap by pick up truck standards
@@killthemall55 an electric one ontop of that
That's not really a lot.
"of just 70,000 dollars"
@@stoopidwookie1695 majority of humans on earth, and even a majority of people in America don’t even make $70,000 a year. The vast majority of cars on the road are less then $25,000. You could get a badass truck for 40-50k or you could get a basic truck for 30-40k. If you but this electric truck you also have to live in an area where there are charging stations around, otherwise you have to spend 10k installing a charging station in ur home, and spend massive amounts of money on ur electric bill every month from charging the thing. Most people can not afford that, this is a car for rich people just call it what it is.
A friend of mine has a son who went to California to work for Rivian. I hope he's in on the beginning level and makes it big.
Ya know as far as exterior design they are 95% there just get rid of those jack ayye head lamps put something more main line its a 100 percent winner to me
They seem amazing and really take advantage of what electric vehicle design can offer.
You are one hard working guy Scotty! Much respect ol boy.
I have seen the truck in person at a trade show (but could not drive it) - it's a impressive chassis and definitely off-road capable. It seems like a mature platform already. I would be a buyer if the range was about 500 miles. And I don't like the industry trend of proprietary chargers - it would be nice to have standard fast chargers with the same software and plug types all over the US.
The rivian uses the standard charging plugs. Im not sure 500+ will come for some time but ive got an order for the 400
Reminder of the desktop computer industry before IBM jumped in and standardized the industry and the advent of MSDOS. Why IBM didn’t buy 90% of Microsoft is probably the dumbest business mistake ever.
To me, that's where the Cybertruck shines, in the price versus specs department. If you're looking at performance and specs versus price alone the Cybertruck is hands down the winner between these two and any of the other electric trucks on the way. The Rivian has a lot of advantages though, is a good looking vehicle, and is going to beat Tesla to the market by about a year from what I'm hearing.
your statement is held by most drivers we demand 500 miles like we get today . We also need 15 min charging time or these autos will be only for local driving like today
Scotty I used to work at the Mitsubishi Plant in Normal IL it started out as Diamond Star Motors(DSM) a venture between Mitsubishi and Chrysler. I worked there for 11 years. The beauty of our plant was we could build several body types of vehicle on the same assembly line with totally different platforms, It was a great place to work, even back in 2001 they was paying 30 bucks an hour plus 100% medical.
When I first saw the R1T on youtube, I was impressed. The real problem was that the price was prohibitive for most buyers. Now it sounds like it has come down to something almost reasonable. Progress.
Starting at $68,000….I wish them well…but the ford lightning I believe starts at $43,000….that’s a huge difference….I mean when you look around you’ll see 100s of ford trucks in a single day….this is more like a Range Rover….I might see 2 or 3 of those a day….
@@SuperMachead1 Personally, I have never seen an R1T, and I couldn't afford a new Ford truck, so my comments are purely hypothetical.
@@SuperMachead1 True, have not been a Ford fan but that price point is very alluring. Ford lightning is probably the best EV cost - bang for your buck - on the road right now.
My question. With the government and manufacturers shoving ev down our throats, they are leaving out the poor and middle income families who can afford them
Cost will go down eventually
to be fair, a new model 3 is pretty affordable
They dont care,they know over time people like us will buy used ones
@@diovalremonde2468 Not compared to an ice.
The MASSES live in apartments and condos, NOT single family homes with upgraded electric!
The ‘RoR’ (Right to Repair) needs to be worked out if any technologies are to advance. If you can’t fix or improve … there are going to be a lot of ICE replacements running whatever will be the fuel of the future. 🤔🤔🤔🤔
What would you rather have.... a vehicle that breaks down every month or so and be able to fix it.... Or a vehicle that never breaks down because they dont have... Transmissions, Carburetors, Mufflers, Cam shafts, Timing Belts, Points system, Gas Filters, Oil Filters, Alternators, Starters, and the list goes on..... Booooo Hooooo... You Can however Buy a Conversion Kit for your Existing Vehicle to turn it into an EV. This would Solve both your issues...... Bammmmm
@@skitzobunitostudios7427 I don't think anyone would drive a Petrol car if it broke down every month 😂
In my opinion, trucks benefit most from electric technology. The application of electric on trucks makes so much sense because of superior torque and weight distribution.
By the time Rivian has sales like Tesla does (if they do), Tesla will still be ahead of Rivian. I would still like to see Rivian grow though.
I love this concept so much I just bought some Rivian stock!!! Love the SUV in green, they hit a home run.
Giving the big companies a piece of the pie is probably the only way. Looks good as a base design. Parts being interchangeable is a great idea. Wonder if that will last? I think this obsession with the 0 to 60 performance is costing the overall design of efficiency. You need low end torque sometimes, but I would rather have distance than speed. Nice presentation!
Too bad its not out yet
i agree, cant see the need to do 5 secs 0-60 let alone 3 secs in a truck, give longer range anyday !!
Thank you Scotty for another very professional video review. I will wait and let this truck prove itself before I buy or maybe I will use my $20k Bolt to convert my Tundra to electric.
Honestly. Just put the 20k. To put down payment on the cybertruck
@@miamidangia5122 That’s two Bolts for one Cyber truck!
Don't electrocute yourself yourself.
I knew a retired technical director from a major car manufacturer. He hoped that batteries could be interchangeable between cars and could be swapped at service stations by robotics using AI.
At the "pump", the old battery is slid out and a recharged one is slotted in.
The old one goes into a charging area below ground level with many other batteries on rotation and once charged is ready for another vehicle.
The obstacle was getting all manufacturers to use the same battery in the same location under the car.
In China, there is the NIO, and it swaps battery packs (some TH-cam examples). Elon decided charging stations was better; it may yet to prove a bad call. Time will tell.
NIO already dose this exact thing, they give you the option to buy the battery or lease it. You can charge them regularly but also bring them into a designated batter swaping station, park your car in the bay and robots dose the rest. The changing station are all over the place in China. They are going global.
They should have toaster sized modules that anyone could swap in their garage. They could have spares charging with solar panels during the day while you are at work for the next day. You just insert the number of modules you'll need for that day and that would save from hauling a heavy unneeded battery around all the time. You could also power your house during a power outage.
@@Xyquest I have wondered why someone doesn't come out with a main body that's short range with small swappable modules and has a trailer for longer ranges. If you want to go more than the, say, 40 miles it usually does and is near its max, you select the number of batteries you need and put them on the trailer for that distance need. The trailer could take you from, say, an 80 mile range, to up to a 400 range, by holding 1 to 9 modules. On long trips, depots can exchange modules. For interstate trips, depots can exchange trailers. You don't get out and swap modules along the way into the main body; it plugs in and the batteries are virtually on-board. I would have a solo car for work, and a family car, as well, since owning two vehicles per household is quite normal. You would only need the one trailer.
It all comes down to deliveries and pricing... Companies can actually deliver product this year and next... Certainly the demand is there... Lithium supply is vital so there's good investments also
BEST Sales pitch for a stock ever!
I like the Rivian line up, but where is all the electricity going to come from to charge them? The gov't is supposed to be trying to raise taxes on oil, gas and natural gas today, along with adding further drilling restrictions. Heard the current admin wants gasoline at about $8/gallon plus they want to charge miles driven now, to collect for the road taxes that current EV owners don't have to pay. Things may turn bad soon.
Where did you hear that? Gas prices aren't controlled by the USA.
@@basedcase Could be more disinformation. It is everwhere.
In April 2021 Tesla said all superchargers will get all their electricity from renewable sources in 2021 onward. Now you know.
@@dinkstover8606 - Yes, disinformation is everywhere. Definitely agree with that. Comes from every direction too.
I am genuinely impressed by how far we have come with electric vehicles. I hope we go farther. Right now, however, I have a truck with a 36-gallon tank and on trips to North Carolina from Pennsylvania I can go on a tank and a half. My truck averages a little shy of 23 mpg on this trip. I only make one fuel stop in Virginia on the way back (A fuel stop can take maybe 5 minutes). I struggle with being reliant on a charging system network that is in its infancy. On the electric model, I can go 300 or 400 miles, and need to stop for 2 hours? I believe in the electric pickup design. I even love that the Ford offering can act as a generator for my house. I just feel like we're not quite there yet. Maybe it's a push forward, to go backward, to go forward. If my truck lasts 10 years from now, maybe I will be the one with range anxiety and feel differently. Let's not forget if we are just shifting the cost, when the price of electricity increases over the charging demand.
Pretty much this. EV is the future, and it is in its infancy. If you think about it, gas engines in their infancy were terribly inefficient and probably hard to fill up reliably, and find gas stations for.
However, the EV industry needs early buy ins to keep getting better. Tesla is the most stable, but they need good competition to keep the research push going. I believe the Model S can get 80% charge in 30 minutes now. That's 19 minutes faster than last years model even. A thought I have is we will get bigger batteries until they solve the speed charging thermal issue. Once they do that, I see batteries getting a little smaller because the charge times won't be an issue. If they can get 80% charge in 10 minutes, I'd call the charging complaints a wash, as 10 minutes isn't that bad. Long trips me and the family would easily spend 15 minutes filling up, bathroom, snacks, etc.
that's the problem with having an EV at this point. Yes, it is the future, but the charging infrastructure atm frankly sucks in most areas. It's just not practical for most people to go EV yet. Maybe in 5 years if they really beef up the infrastructure
@@EB-bl6cc except for Tesla which has solid charging infrastructure.
Increased electricity demand will not change electricity prices the same way as electricity. Ultimately electric cars are so much more efficient then ICE cars that it will pretty much always be cheaper to run. Even including heat losses from generation it’s still substantially more efficient then gas.
You forgot to mention that Evan and Charley rode electric Harleys all the way from the tip of South America to California which was the subject of the long way up special
Evan Peter's and Charlie Sheen?
Was this before Charlie got HIV?
Honestly I hope all 3 succeed Tesla, Rivian and Lucid. I have stock in all 3 and own a Model 3. To see these companies succeed among the giants like GM and Ford will be remarkable
Ford invested in Rivian
Lucid is cool but doesn't have much of a chance. VW was good but their dumb union just screwed their chances. Rivian Wil only be around for bezos, otherwise goodbye.
Tesla will be number 1 with BYD no 2, but tesla will be commercial and mostly high end except in China. It until the range is above 500 miles preferable ly a 1000 with really fast charging not a practical 1st car or truck for me.
Union labor in Ford and GM is a deal killer. Integrated structures made by robots is the way to go. California is the worst place to own a manufacturing plant.
WhTs rivian stock name
My nephew just got a position with Rivian; moved him from AL to IL. He's been working there now a few months; saw him at my sister's house this past Thanksgiving and he's pretty happy with his new job. Looks like a good and legit company unlike Elio (not an electric car but I had high hopes for this car that went no where; lol). :)
I like the Rivian truck. I think it looks great and has great utility.
But can the company scale? Can they make 10 million cars a year? There are challenges at various levels of scale. The main points of failure now are battery and chip supply. Tesla can meet those challenges. So far no other car company can. They offer "models" but they don't sell units.
I see Tesla cars on the road all the time. No Rivians. No Mach-E. No VW EV's. Just Tesla. Tesla is moving units out the door. Other companies have a veritable Victoria's Secret magazine full of models but they have no production volume to speak of.
I want to see Rivian succeed. I'm not sure they will.
Didn't you post a video just the other day about how awful EVs were?
This video is just how the host continues to show his hate on Tesla. Rivian has not delivered a single car to a real world customers yet, only to their employees. Building an electric car is hard, ask the people who makes Chevy Bolt.
Volvo will and has.
EVs are ALL about the batteries, and until long lasting solid state batteries become commercially viable I'd be concerned about buying one. When the cost of replacing a battery pack can be tens of thousands of dollars, purchasing an EV could be an economically unwise decision. And depending on the kind of support the manufacturer provides to that EV, it might not be an environmentally friendly solution either.
The current crop of batteries being used have 20-30 year life cycles. That's not going to require a replacement unless you only buy 2 cars in your lifetime.
@@victorluke5816 Can you quote a source for that 20-30 year life cycle? I looked at two recent articles (written in March this year, from Car Magazine UK and Truecar) and one claims a 12 year life cycle, the other states 10.
Both point out that heat can shorten a battery pack's lifespan, and one states that frequent rapid charging (among other things) will significantly reduce the lifespan of the battery pack. If you live in an area with unusually high ambient temperatures, then it's likely that you'll also experience a reduced battery pack lifespan - particularly if that battery pack uses passive cooling like the Nissan Leaf.
@@rodh1404 yeah seems odd tesla only warrant batts for 8 years
@@rhett7716 As I understand it, Tesla do make some of the best EV battery packs in the world. Under normal conditions, I'd expect them to last for at least 10 years, and more likely 12 - 15. But it still depends a lot on how you treat them. I wouldn't be surprised if a Plaid battery pack lasts for less than 8 years, for example, since many people are using those cars as (essentially) drag racers. Which results in very rapid battery discharge and that's got to have a serious negative effect on the battery pack's lifespan.
Car engines have the same issues. As a number of companies have found, rebuilding battery packs can be done quite economically as batteries are often killed by single cell failures. Replace the single open circuit cell and you are back on line.
Prototypes are easy, production is hard (Elon Musk). We shall see if Rivian is successful….. they are not yet on Tesla’s level (e.g. Gigafactory) and Cybertruck comes out 2023 year……… and Ford just broke ties with Rivian.
The electric car market… placing senior citizens back on the bus. No way in hell most Seniors could afford $68K on a Rivian. And if that’s the affordable model I guess we’re going back to the bus.
A man needs to change with the times. I can see you becoming the go to for non-biased ev info. Love your channel.
Everyday use and reliability remains to be seen with all these trucks. Especially when you consider where 4wd trucks are used the most in the rust belt states. If everything like ball joints, wheel bearings and brake components literally rust together and rot away how well will the components in and around the wheel wells will hold up on an electric truck in one of the rust belt states?
Honestly I think it'll be fine. Electric vehicles are so much better in literally every way than traditional vehicles. The issue Rivian has is how things will be repaired when something does break (since people are taking these off-road supposedly). But even in "unreliable" brands you usually don't start seeing major issues for many many years. So new buyers are probably safe.
@@Kevin-cf8uu I like the enthusiasm but they aren't better in every way, not yet at least. And I'm rooting for Rivian and want EVs to be successful. I do agree I think they should hold up well, and an 8 year 175k power train and battery warranty certainly should out MOST owners at ease. I don't believe it will be flawless, there will probably be some recalls, but every manufacturer has recalls on almost every car, even the good ones like Honda and Toyota. It's what happens when bean counters get to override engineers :)
Rivian produced 1000 EVs in 2021. As a comparison, Tesla produced about 1 Million EVs in 2021. EV is a winner take all market. Good luck with Rivian!
Elon, is dealing with, the government takes all, in China. That, will be interesting.
I’ll wait two or three years to see if they have any major problems then I’ll be able to pass judgment Judge
I will wait at least 10...Which EV is the equivalent of a used Toyota/Honda?
@@treesnmoguls modern toyotas arent really any better than a modern ford
Hydrogen powered electric vehicles may be the real contender for the future. More convenient without the range issues.
Hydrogen vehicles have been tested, and failed. Battery tech has advanced greatly, and hydrogen is too inefficient and impractical.
Not for personal vehicles. No infrastructure, much less efficient than pure electric, and much higher fuel costs.
There are literally thousands of BEV charging stations from the Canadian/Washington boarder to San Francisco. There are ZERO places to refill a hydrogen fuel cell powered car.
A very good start for a new company and it's first product. I know, I was at GM on the ev1 program. I will most likely be buying a RT1 in the future. My hats off to you.
Cybertruck is 30-40% less for equal performance due to the engineering brilliance of the exoskeleton frame, will come with the million mile 4680 battery and it won't get dings, dents or rust.
Maybe. We'll have to see about that.
"Cybertruck is 30-40% less for equal performance..."
Actually, you have no idea what the Cybertruck will cost, because Tesla doesn't know either (or will no longer put its "guesses" online).
"For equal performance," you'll need the mid-priced version of the CyberTruck, not the low-end version. I don't dispute that the CyberTruck sounds great. I'd love to have one. But unless your name is already on the reservation list, you probably won't be able to buy one for four years, or maybe much longer.
"Recently, Tesla removed all Cybertruck pricing and specs from its website, so those prices listed above could certainly change." - Electrek
Nice Job explaining as usual. Scotty. American ingenuity at work. BTW Happy Thanksgiving!
I think it’s an awesome idea but the price would be more than I’d want to spend on a vehicle.
The option to purchase additional batteries for extended range is smart. WHAT'S EVEN MORE PROFITABLE THOUGH, the dealerships should offer a battery rental service so if we decide to road trip, rent a large range battery so recharging would be non-existent or extremely minimal 🤔
I'm shopping for a Rivian right now. It has always been my EV of choice over Tesla. Thank you, Scotty!
Sounds good....but I'd like to see what the battery capacity is at -40c, and how well it does in snow, with snow tires......????
TIL: -40 Celsius is -40 Fahrenheit
@@burgermind802 Yep, but I haven't thought in Fahrenheit for about 45 years.....lol
Still out of reach unless you want to go in debt up to your eyeballs.
So far just an elite play toy!
doesnt everyone lease in the good ole US of A ??
What everything about climate changes is about.
How about a ERV with solar panels for camping in a camp ground with recharging plug in or in the boonies? I have a Chevy van converted to full RV by RoadTrek. They went bankrupt and was sold off. But their concept is good for small campers.
The only think I do not like about the truck is the front end. The headlights and daylight running lights look weird. But everything else is amazing. I seen a video of the truck going off road. And I am impressed.
Dunno, but I love the design, makes great sense and can be adapted much easier. With crossover parts also can drive down repair costs.
It repair cost will be high
I need an electric vehicle. My 2007 BMW 328xi costs $100 per week to fuel. I wanna switch to electricity, but I don't have enough money for a new one and I've heard that repairing a used one is expensive when the batteries die. (though the same can be said about the engine of a car...🤔)
Get a Model 3 Tesla, do what you have to to make the payments....you’ll have it the rest of your life. It’s $45k, one time only. You’ll save right away on BMW maintenance and your “fuel” bill will drop to about $25/week (my fuel costs dropped to 1/4 when I switched from an Infiniti G37 to a Model 3).
Toyota corolla is your answer if you don't have any money.
@@johncahill3644 tesla uses lithium ion batteries which need replacing (at the absolute most) every 10 years due to degradation. A battery costs about $12,000, not to mention how this car would be completely obselete in about 10 years time due to acceleration of electric car technology. Other problem is tesla won't let you fix their cars. You could actually fix a battery cell for a few thousand but tesla make you replace the whole thing as it means your more likely to buy a new car. Much like apple with phones they are vehemently against right to repair which doesn't make sense as they are supposed to be a green company.
Wait till you see your electric bill.
Electric bill definitely won't be free either so there's always going to be a "fuel" cost, It wouldn't make sense to spend $50,000 to save $100/week so if anything get a used low mile hybrid
I disagree with spending $45k on a Model 3 and you'll have it the rest of your life, It's not going to run forever eventually the battery will degrade and Tesla is Apple when it comes to repairing their products.
I just wonder where all the extra electricity will come from to power everything. If you can't use fossil fuels to generate, the sun doesn't always shine, the wind doesn't always blow, even the rivers don't always flow consistently. How do you store all the energy so that the grid doesn't "brown out" when the demand out paces the generated energy? What about disposal of everything needed when the life cycle runs out? How much of the materials used will be recyclable? How will the raw materials be collected and refined? What is the estimated number of raw materials that are easily accessed and how much does the Earth have of each? I'm not knocking anything. I just think that we are not looking at the entire picture. As the song says, "Every Rose Has Its Thorn".
Yea I can't come in to work today we had a blackout and couldn't charge my truck. 😃😃😃😃
Aggreed. For every positive, there's a negative. Somewhere down the line, there's going to be a cost in the end. Just like nuclear energy. Positive end, it's cleaner sourse of energy, the negative side is disposing of the still radio active inofficiant fuel rods. Lithium isn't an abundance resource either. In time that will be depleted as well.
@@tommussington8330 "...we had a blackout and couldn't charge my truck"
Ever waited in line at a gas station, when fuel supplies were low?
@@swordedaffair yes back in the 70`s I could get enough to go to school and work,, and I said if gas got to $1:00 I'd stop driving just paid $3:69 today.
This is actually where Hydrogen might be of use. Solar and wind generated electricity can be stored as elemental Hydrogen or converted to ammonia. Old power generation plants can then be kept on line when needed powered by the ammonia instead of natural gas or coal. This is way cheaper than putting 2.1 trillion dollars worth of hydrogen fuel stations to make that system usable.
Great video presentation Scotty - *WELL DONE!* I really like the R1S, I have no use for a pickup, so I will be an R1S owner before '22 ends. Really like what this company has put together for their first offerings. I just hope build quality will be better than Tesla's first offerings. Please Rivian no annoying creaks, roof leaks, or hood and doors fitment issues!
I pull up to charge at the station, to see a vehicle already charging, with 15 min. to go. I have to wait 35 min. to charge. No, I think commercial fleets will love these tho. Set up their own proprietary stations here and there for emergency maybe, but otherwise send half the delivery vehicles out, run a 4 hr. route, bring them in to charge, with the other half of the fleet charged and ready to finish the relay. I'm not driving from Tampa to Seattle in one any time soon.
They certainly look like an interesting vehicle. It would be nice to know how much it would cost to replace the batteries when they need renewing haha
Yesterday a Tesla caught fire And burnt down a house just outside Philly.
Everyone saying “$70k is a lot.” Yes it is, but that’s how a lot of auto startups get their footing. It’s the same thing Tesla did, don’t forget. Tesla’s used to cost over $100k. Now they have them for $35k. Rivian will be available to the masses as the company gains momentum and the technology becomes more available
I’d much rather purchase a Rivian truck over the fugley Tesla truck. Obviously I’ll be waiting a while for delivery.
This guy is legendary for combustion engines. And a newbie when it comes to electric vehicles.
Easy Scott, Tesla hasn't released its SUV yet. Who knows, that Rivian might be biting the dust when Tesla release theirs.
So, it can tow 11,000 lbs? That’s good, but for how far? When towing all that extra weight, will the mileage drop down to 50 miles? 30 miles? 10 miles?
The cool thing with electric is their high torque. So towing wise it will be slightly greater distance than current 2500 trucks. The issue will be how long it will take to fill it yp
@@kmsah High torque at low revs. The trailer might just stop the EV from getting over 25 mph.
My brother has a tesla x, we have used it to tow my boat. The boat and trailer weigh 3498 lbs ready to fish. It is 166 miles round trip, there is an elevation rise of 3112 feet on the route. We have done this 9 times, we routinely arrive home with between 14% to 18% of battery capacity remaining. The battery is rated for 350 miles of range. This is just our personal experience, so take it for what it's worth.
House Chadwick So it sounds like it cuts the miles-per-charge almost in half.
@@markplott4820 Still doesn't say what speed it can get up to.
I was going to order one. After I added all the options, the out the door price was almost $100k. Ergo, I decided to wait for F, TSLA, and TM to what they have to offer in a year or two. Financially, $100k is a lot of money for most people to purchase a vehicle. The ROI is simply awful.
Why not have the ability to change the battery ( like a battery power tool) when it runs flat🤔,pull into a power station and change over the low battery for a full battery 🤔
Love their style. Think that with better development the 4wd will be unbeatable, but from what I have seen and heard the feel is not like having a diff lock so it’s off putting when in precarious situations.
Wonder what happens if one of the wheel motors gives out suddenly.
I'm honestly excided for these electric pickups. What I'm not excited about is the lack of infrastructure at the moment, the cost, and wear of batteries. These will obviously change with a growing power grid aswell as companies making it more and easily replaced batteries. When that happens I'll easily get one
The batteries don't need replacing. At least Tesla's don't. GM is having some issues but a Tesla can go a lot longer than the average life span of an ICE vehicle before you need a new motor or battery. You are more likely to wreck the car than need to replace a battery. We will see how the Rivian's hold up.
Batteries, in theory, should outlast the cars frame. Lemons will happen, but the cycles wise they should last quite a while. The cost sucks, I agree. I want an EV so bad but can't afford it right now.
Also a big plus, recycling lithium ion batteries is supposedly cheaper than mining new resources, and plants are being opened to do this. If the manufacturers and the recycling plants can contract and work together, it'd help reduce the need for the unethical mines. Now we just need faster green energy development, at least in the US.
If I had the money to buy a electric vehicle, I would choose the Rivian over Tesla any day. I don't trust Tesla vehicles.
What exactly don’t you trust about Tesla??
First off I’m not a Tesla fanboy BUT they have delivered over a MILLION vehicles. Rivian has delivered ZERO vehicles to customers ... that makes them more trustworthy in your mind?!?!
Tesla has obviously had problems BUT you have no idea what kind of problems Rivian is going to have once customers start actually driving those vehicles.
Scotty RELIGIOUSLY preaches to never by a car during the first model year BUT you’d rather go with a Rivian than a Tesla because “I don’t trust Tesla vehicles.” What is not to trust about Tesla?!?!
@@OnTourWithPattiSmith yep that’s right
Rivian has a major flow, under load it has seen a 65 percent decrease in battery. Hopefully they fix this issue before release with a software update
These are excellent and I am so impressed with everything Rivian is doing. And I believe that the competition many are worried about shouldn't be a problem, since there are more customers for excellent EVs than all of the manufacturers can fulfill the needs of and healthy competition is good.
Not worried, but as a Mercedes fanboy I am still very much impressed. Somehow their first vehicle is damn near perfect for its intended purpose while they are also less controversial than Tesla.
I hope the EQG Mercedes is working on will make equally good use of the electric engines as the Rivian does. Atm it’s the best off-road ev on the market and honestly by now we can already forget about the cybertruck lol.
I like the idea, but I'm skeptical until they start moving inventory.