@@portman8909 4070ti is too expensive for 12gb card, 4080 is too expensive for a 80 tier card and 4090 is the fastest card alive but again the price is just too much. So only the 4070 is kinda make sense, anything beyond that (or below that - looking at 4060 and 4060ti both is ass) is a ripoff.
That's not entirely true. The 4070 and above bring pretty big increase in performance, especially in the case of 4080 and 4090. However the 4080 has a much higher MSRP than the 3080 did, so that leaves the 4090, 4070Ti and 4070 as the only ones worth upgrading to.
I think ppl are missing the whole efficiency point of the generation. To be getting anywhere near the same amount of frames, whether less or not, is very impressive with the massive difference in power draw. Like the 3070 was putting out near 100 more watts. Nothing to snuff at on the 4060 Ti at all. Sure we’d like it to have more, but with the efficiency it’d be taking down the 3080 and they don’t want that lol. They learned from the 1080 Ti 😂
I'm looking at building a travel PC and this generation has been fantastic for efficiency sake. I generally prefer 1080p higher settings anyways so 4060 to 16 GB is probably perfect for me
people dont care about power efficiency because if you care about a few hundred dollars more to pay on your bill across 5 years of time, assuming you play games for hours everyday, you should probably not gaming and focus on your life instead.
@@megurinemiku8201 hmm, sounds good but a Western take; a lot of people don’t have “problems” and still care about those things. You don’t tell a Tesla owner to take care of other life issues assuming they don’t have money, but they go and use a vehicle that they perceive as being a more efficient mode of transportation, right? This stack of gpus across the board are more power efficient, not just consumer ones. So they baked that into the gaming gpus also. Who wants to pay more if they don’t have to? They also thought mining would persist, which again would have been welcome. Just say what you prefer and let people say what they care about.
@@megurinemiku8201 The fact gamer's nexus has a whole new efficiency test shows people care about the power draw. Personally I've always wanted a more quiet system. I'll tune my fan curves to get a PC not sounding like a jet engine
@@Floren_Andro look at the specs of a770 16gb, it have literally best specs according to it's price. and it's raw power is sufficient enough. so it doesn't take huge $ to get one. we need similar gpu like that from both amd and nvidia...(6800 is good also but not Available in our region) so we don't have to spend huge $ for 16gb vram which will last longer since some titles consuming much more vram that expected
@@gamewizard1760frame generation only makes sense in sigle players titles, all fps or fast reflex games would see a huge input lag introduced by FG. Used 3070 for fps and 4060ti if you play single player games
in some games if you want to use additional video and graphics settings like for example rendering distances and shading could affect the gpu usage. I've played Watch dogs legion on my rtx 3060 laptop and the fps was not what i expected at medium to high settings. I tried using high shadows and the vram usage was already at 10 gb which is insane.
i have 3070 ti + 12400f. I usually play at 1440p with dlss, should I switch to 40 series or wait 50-60? bcz, the recent game sucks a bit in terms of optimization, so I'm worried
You don't have to cry friend, the 4060 Ti has many advantages that your 3070 doesn't... Like DLSS 3.0 that looks much better than the native resolution and, obviously, looks better than DLSS 2.4... it also has the frame generator, making the 4060 Ti have between 33 to 50% more performance... It also performs much better in games with ray tracing and this is very notable in games like cyberpunk2077 and ray tracing overdrive (path tracing). While, with the 3070, you can barely get 40 fps with everything in ultra, 1080p, dlss quality and path tracing, on the 4060 Ti you can easily reach 60 with the same configuration but with much higher quality thanks to dlss 3.0
All that extra VRAM is useless if the card itself isn't fast enough to make use of it, the GPU would already long reach it's breaking point before VRAM actually starts to become a bigger problem
@@RafaelDoubleyou-mp6bz I don't see how you'd end up using 11GB of VRAM going from 2560 to 3440 on this GPU unless you're using settings that the GPU can't really push to begin with, but then again you mentioned you're using FG, guess that eats up some VRAM too
dont be fool by 3 or 5 more fps on 3070 architecture on this card belong to 4 years a go my choice all the way is 4060 ti don't mention better VRAM better power efficient
@@PulserTrance You sure are excited, too, that a 128-bit GPU will sooner or later outperform an RTX 4080, for a lower price and less energy consumption, right? The less 32-bit memory controllers they add to a GPU, the cheaper they can make it because of DIE size area needed on a wafer.
The 150w 3070ti can pretty much match the 4060ti when tuned. So just power limit the desktop 3070 to around 175w and it'll use only a bit more power than the 4060ti. If you're this crazy about efficiency, just buy the 4070 super or 4070 and power limit + UV them and UV your CPU and power limit it to really save power.
16GB are expecially great for maxing out games, for those people who accept playing at 60fps or below like me. You have all the space in the world to push graphics further.
The RTX 4060 Ti truly is a beast and is by far a much better option than the RTX 3070. Not because the RTX 3070 is bad, no, but because the RTX 4060 Ti has a ton of advantages that the 3070 doesn't have : 1.- DLSS 3.0. It is an objective fact that DLSS 2.4 looks incredible, yes, but DLSS 3.0 looks much, much better and not only that, but it looks better than even the native resolution (This is very noticeable in everyone, absolutely all games that have DLSS 3.0, such as Cyberpunk2077 or Daying Light 2). In addition, the RTX 4060 Ti has the frame generator, taking a clear advantage of between 33% to 50% more compared to the 3070. Not only that, but the 16GB of vram is quite an advantage in itself and, finally, energy consumption. The 3070 was, most of the time, over 200w while the 4060 Ti did not go over 140w and, like it or not, it is an advantage.
These tests are wrong because you didn't activate dlss 3 frame generation in the 4060 and that's precisely the strongest point it has, because it is exclusive of the 4000 series
I have a 4060 Ti 16gb card with 1080p and when I tested Cyberpunk with every setting maxed using DLSS Auto + RT + Frame Gen, I was getting like 70-80fps average with a max of high 90s. Disabling RT it jumped to like 140fps average with max of 200+. Frame Gen definitely helps and I can't wait to it more supported. Found a guy on Patreon who has a small handful of games he's modded to update DLSS or add in Frame Gen. Think he's also used the same trick to add in FSR 3 to games too.
@@xDevlinx21 exactly! Frame generation is the future, it's a feature that can't be ignored, as well as FSR3, but that one is from AMD and is open source
RDNA 2 and Ada Lovelace are very good the lower the screen resolution is. And a 4060 Ti is recommended for 1080p gaming. So clearly I would prefer the 4060 Ti. This is what you get when your last level cache (L3 for AMD and L2 for Nvidia Ada Lovelace, 32 MB in a 4060 Ti) is big. Its main purpose is to get better raytracing perfornance plus save energy for being able to access frequently used data more often without using the memory controllers.
4060ti 16GB will be better in any case, we see in games where the emphasis on memory 3070 begins to sag. and there were no tests with PT, in which case the gap will increase even more
@@mytestbrandkonto3040, before writing such nonsense, first look at the fact that games in 1440p practically do not differ from 1080p in terms of video memory consumption. If you turn on the same PT, then 1080p will also have 12GB of memory used
@@niekasniekas2614 You're missing the point. The point is to see if the performance results flip in favor of the 4060 Ti when the game requires more than 8gb of VRAM.
OMG Be Careful the haters won't like this they think the 4060ti 16gb is like a 3060 12gb their little heads might explode watching this.. Quick take cover. 💥💥💥 💥
@@ikram2512 How the hell is it the 3060 ti performance when it's literally basically on par with the 3070 right on this video too? When was 3060 ti = 3070 in performance?
@@StareXonur 8 gb bir 4060ti ile 3070 belki aynı fiyat olabilir ama 16 gb bir 4060ti ile aynı fiyat olmaz çünkü daha geçenlerden en ucuz 4060ti 16gb olanını 14 bine görmüştüm, 3070 ise gamaebooster marka bir kartı hepsiburada 9999 tl ile 10999 tl arasında değişen fiyatlar ile satmıştı...
There's a new DLSS 3 to FSR 3 mod that works on Cyberpunk and a bunch of other games. I'd like to see how DLSS 3 on the 4060 Ti compares to FSR 3 on the 3070
To replace DLSS 3.5 with FSR 3 seems like a big downgrade to me. We're talking about removing a hardware based upscaler for a software based one. AMD does not have their s*** together this generation. They just keep hyping stuff up to mislead and greatly disappoint their consumers.
Yes, because it uses RT to actually accelerate performance, because the software is good. Hardware makes it faster, doesn't make it look better. This should be the future not lumen crap.
@@OmnianMIU ? Avatar is good game because it uses hardware acceleration to make software ray tracing run better. Check digital foundry video on this, Devs need to stop being lazy and using unreal engine and make a good engine like avatar's and use hardware acceleration to make it run faster.
и смысл сравнивать без длсс3? в 2к длсс выглятит шикарно без какого там выдуманного нафонтазированого мыла которому есть место быть только в фулхд, 4060ти базово на уровне между 3060ти-3070 но бонусом так сказать там продают длсс3 на РТ ядрах которые собственно присутсвуют в этой карте и в 2к с длсс3 эта карта порвёт 3070 и по кадрам будет как 3080.
Если Бы Хуанг сделал для 3070 12Гб видеопамяти , он бы не смог ничего продать из мусорной 40хх серии. Он понимал это, поэтому мы получили 3070 с искусственно заниженной производительностью. Это очень гадкий и отвратительный поступок со стороны нвидиа. Крайне рекомендую вам начать покупать амд видеокарты, дабы проучить нвидиа за их жадность.
Unless you are getting 50 to 70 precent added performance for the same price of older generation card, you are being fooled, same performance for same price and calling it a new generation is just a total joke.
That you are ignorant is not Nvidia's fault. The RTX 4060 Ti has lots and lots of advantages over the 3070 and for exactly the same price: 1.- 16GB of vram. 2.- lower energy consumption, which translates into less heat and, therefore, less noise. 3.- dlss 3.0 (which looks better than dlss 2.4 and even looks better than the native resolution) and frame generator, getting between 33 and 50% more performance than the 3070 and 4.- the 4060 Ti performs much better in games with ray tracing, and this is notable, especially in games with path tracing like cyberpunk2077 or Alan Wake 2.
@@JorgeDimton Thank you for your comment, according to this video and other sources which are more credible according to my geeky nerdy millennial standards(gaming since childhood or since1997 tbp), the difference is most if not all cases is between 1 frame to 2 or three frame max in all or most of games, no thank you Ngreddia (I am a loyal Nvidia long-term fan who came with time to realize its not the Nvidia I fall in love decades ago when its started to shine and compete with ATI, not anymore, my loyalty to my own interests financial wise tell me this is the biggest red flag ever, if you screwed over your fan base and most loyal fans, tou are not worthy of my loyalty anymore to you than to my own self, I have a brain, I have the knowledge, I understand you GRam and reasoning before you even mentioned it, I know the spaces and potential, and performance level (price/performance) ... for me 12 GB on another argument standalone not related to my original comment is another weakness, now 16 is on verge of becoming a bottleneck (depends on your GPU's other specs, if high-mid to high to Ultra, which resolution you target (I like 4K at 60+ with no frsme generation or fake FPS fro neither of the 2-3 companies) sorry its just not enough, soon 16 will follow through, if you have the bank account to support your informed decision making process and the will, 20 to 24 is the new safe GRam spot, 16 barely for now not future proof (3 to 5 years +) and on 4K high settings with 60 fps+, if your GPU other specs support it, I know, I am a nerdy tech geek since childhood, I know what I am saying, first interesting GPU to some degree is 4080 Super, 4070 super if yu are on budget can make but will hold you back so soon you will not need many months/years to feel the regret (unless you don't have the capacity financially), now that RTX 5000 and RX 9000 is near its release date buying any now is a very big mistake unless you are a spoiled wealthy billionaire, then it will not be felt by you, even if you have to buy a new card soon after, at 3000+ USD if it get there someday and it will thanks to gamer-friendly practices and pricing by Ngredia, others will watch and learn, just like Apple spoiled Samsung who used to give you mirco SD memory, 3.5 audio jack, free chargers included in box (S series), free headphones, less greedy practices and lower prices, now thanks to Apple, even Samsung and some Chinese Mobile and tablet makers are asking for 1000 to 2000 USD price rang, oh I miss old days. its sucks to be a PC gamer, or tech lover these days..
@@ConradCarelandish First of all, NVIDIA is probably hurt by your comment... note the sarcasm. Secondly... "fake frames"? Prepare for the humiliation of your life (Exaggerating, obviously. But I'm going to humiliate you) The term "fake fps" is not correct to describe NVIDIA's frame generator. DLSS 3 uses advanced artificial intelligence techniques to improve image quality and increase gaming performance. Generate new fps intelligently, delivering real performance improvements. This is not "fake fps", but intelligent optimization supported by advanced technologies. The term "fake fps" does not apply to DLSS 3 as this NVIDIA technology uses a smart and advanced approach to improve image quality and gaming performance through its Optical Multi Frame Generation feature, DLSS 3 employs a Optical flow accelerator on GeForce RTX 40 series GPUs to analyze sequences of two game images, calculating motion vector data for objects and elements not modeled by traditional motion vectors. This process reduces visual anomalies by rendering elements such as particles, reflections, shadows, and lighting. Then, using a convolutional neural network, DLSS 3 automatically generates an additional fps for every 2 fps rendered in the game. Combining these generated fps with the graphics generated fps allows DLSS 3 to reconstruct seven-eighths of the displayed pixels with AI, resulting in a real performance increase, up to 4 times compared to rendering without DLSS. In short, DLSS 3 Frame Generator creates real fps, increasing performance, only these fps are not created by the graphics card, but by artificial intelligence. But I understand that you don't have the brains to understand something so simple, so I recommend that instead of writing and confirming that you are an idiot, simply don't write anything so that later a random person doesn't come and shut you up on TH-cam. And well, as if that were not enough... the mere fact that the RTX 4090, in its Founders Edition version, is $1,599 and not $3,000 already refutes much of your comment. And don't believe me... believe the official Nvidia website where they sell the 4090 Founders Edition for $1,599...
@@ConradCarelandish And if that were not enough, your comparison between Nvidia and Apple is misplaced. That's a fucking fallacy of false equivalence, that is, comparing two things that have no place to, supposedly, "give your argument." That wasn't an argument on your part... it was a fallacy, the fallacy of false equivalence.
What they have in common is greediness and user friendlessness, if you want uncompleted long answer below if you have the eyes and time (I am sleepy and tured to excuse any incoherence): If you are unaware of what Nvidia, Apple abd others are learning as they do shady practices (taking things away (apple), over pricing to new heights not proportionate to inflation (Apple /Nvidia, others will follow the lead and learn for method 2 greedy companies), promote old things as innovation (Apple) promoting low upgrades to compare generationally or low price on performance compared to market and past (Apple, Nvidia, other will or have already followed through) low spaced garbage (again compared to own previous products or to compared to generational change/increase (Apple, Nvidia), you missed my points both companies are taking advantage of their loyal users and of ignorance of vast majority of users who only hear about excellent reputation and false advertising or YT paid sponsorships, etc. .. what they have in common is making real tech informed people pissed, greedy practices, despite having relatively great products (but not for the price) such as Apple, or best gaming performance in high/ultra tier (Nvidia that leads the high end GPU market for gamers not AI I mean) I used to like Samsung for being better but I almost don't do anymore after 14 years of loyality as they turn into a korean version of Apple, I used to be like the biggest Nvidia fan I had gamed on many of their cards since decades (pretty when they were underdogs compared to ATI, I see them now just as the Apple of PC gaming world, yes they have led the market, they still making GPU reach a level that 90% gamers can not afford, while AMD is weaker on high end they don't even compete with RT tech sure not, they also are raising prices, since they are still the underdog, despite them learning from evil Nvidia practices they still do not have the GPU flex power to make prices that higher, they will do if they get the chance thanks to you know who, can we just appreciate thier so called low end as well, like 6400, 6500 really? oh and Nvidia's 1030, 1630/1650, mobile 2050? really? I used to love them (Sami and Nvidia) but as long as they keep what they are doing I am team Chinese Androids (whatever price performance good is okay) and AMD... sorry for the long answer, greetings from Iraq.
There are two big problems I have with upscaling and frame gen. One is that they use these software technologies as the main selling point of their GPUs to try and justify cutting corners on the hardware. The second reason is that developers sometimes use them as a crutch to not optimise their games properly. Upscaling and frame gen are ok for older low end hardware to keep them relevant for slightly longer, but I have always preferred native raw rendering and have been more into the hardware specs of a GPU. When these technologies are used as the main selling point, that's when they become a scam. These companies really are killing the future of PC gaming. Especially with this fucking AI boom.
@@Gamer-q7v "Like not saying anything in many words." Friend, without wanting to insult you, your comment is complete stupidity and I am going to explain point by point why I made my comment. 1.- NVIDIA is not to blame for the optimization of games, and selling an advantage of the RTX 40 series is not proof of anything. Ghost of Tsushima came out on PC and its optimization is impeccable... only this game denies you and that is because hundreds of other games have been released that, even implementing DSS 3.0, are still incredibly well optimized. 2.- NVIDIA focused not only on improving power, but also on improving technologies and energy efficiency that make this generation a notable improvement compared to the previous series. Look how the RTX 4070, without using any dlss, is much better than the RTX 3080... when the 3080 consumes an average of 280w and the 4070 barely consumes 180... What's more, the RTX 4070 consumes less than even the RTX 3060 Ti... and the difference in power is notable. I repeat... the 4070 is better than the 3080, the 4070 Super or Ti are better than the 3090, not to mention the 4070 Ti super, 4080, 4080 Super and 4090... This, in itself, refutes your argument. 3.- The promotion they do to the 40 series, with the technologies, is not an excuse for your "power cut" lie, one: because I just denied it to you in my previous point and two: they are ADVANTAGES, bitch of an idiot Advantages that justify the purchase of the RTX 40, the reason why go from a 3080 to a 4080, for example. Look how the RTX 4070 Ti, having exactly the same power as the RTX 3090, has much better graphics than the 40 series and by far. And was there a power cut? No, but not at all, you fucking liar.
The 40 series is just bad. There are really only two cards worth buying, and they're not worth buying because they are insanely overpriced. Ngreedia, you make all that ai money and still won't give us gamers a break? Shame Jensen, shame..........
you know its bad when you have 8gb card doing better then a 16gb card like what the hell nvidia. just get the 6800xt at this point as it costs the same
Dude I think my 3070 ventus 2x cooler is defective... 1440p fh5 maxed out pulling 190w (paired with 12700k) and it hits 73 Celsius with 3 intake fans on the bottom of the case... it's also got a sorta aggressive fan curve
Yeah I had that card and I just returned it cuz of overheating (90°C sometimes) and bought a 4060 ti 16 gb and I honestly can't spot a performance difference, it's great, and I get all the new features like dlss 3, and I think that 73 °C is normal for the ventus 2x 3070, it just runs hot all the time
This makes me so grateful to have a 3060Ti. I don't need an upgrade. Most people still don't have RTX cards so if you do have one, you're doing great. The 4060Ti is a scam.
Man , 4060 ti cant 😂 even beat 3070 LOL. Unless using fake frames. I thought after getting 16gb vram I would feat 3070 ti but here we are. Pathetic Nvidia , charge so much money for this 16gb version & even then dissapointing.
The term "fake fps" is not correct to describe NVIDIA's frame generator. DLSS 3 uses advanced artificial intelligence techniques to improve image quality and increase gaming performance. Generate new fps intelligently, delivering real performance improvements. This is not "fake fps", but intelligent optimization supported by advanced technologies. The term "fake fps" does not apply to DLSS 3 as this NVIDIA technology uses a smart and advanced approach to improve image quality and gaming performance through its Optical Multi Frame Generation feature, DLSS 3 employs a Optical flow accelerator on GeForce RTX 40 series GPUs to analyze sequences of two game images, calculating motion vector data for objects and elements not modeled by traditional motion vectors. This process reduces visual anomalies by rendering elements such as particles, reflections, shadows, and lighting. Then, using a convolutional neural network, DLSS 3 automatically generates an additional fps for every 2 fps rendered in the game. Combining these generated fps with the graphics generated fps allows DLSS 3 to reconstruct seven-eighths of the displayed pixels with AI, resulting in a real performance increase, up to 4 times compared to rendering without DLSS. In short, DLSS 3 Frame Generator creates real fps, increasing performance, only these fps are not created by the graphics card, but by artificial intelligence. But I understand that you don't have the brains to understand something so simple, so I recommend that instead of writing and confirming that you are an idiot, simply don't write anything so that a random person doesn't come and shut your mouth later.
@@JorgeDimton @JorgeDimton ohh my god. Nvidia's paying u kid ? U work there ? No !! Why r u licking their balls. The A.I is doing its job kiddo , those generated frames are not real. Tell me when use in online games there is thing called 'latency'. Soory too much for 'trying to be smart' guy Maybe u kind of guy , who just want to bitch plp who own 30 , 20 series cards. The whole essay u copied from some website any kid can do that. See , there is a difference being 'smart' & 'acting smart'
Oh boy, the legendary Gixxer. Well, Nvidia CEO Jensen said the 4060 Ti is faster than a PlayStation 5. So, how does the PlayStation 5 stack up compared to a Suzuki SuperSport Motorbike? Just asking questions. 😅
Guys if you want to upgrade ngreedia cards do it ONLY afrer "2 series" line For example if you have a 100 series fo to 300 If you had a 900 series go to 200 series One only series "line" is pure haux ;)
Yeah, when the RTX 2080 Ti got released, Tech YES City recommended lowering the memory speed which cost hardly any performance. Plus RMA the card as an option. My RTX 4060 barely uses it full memory speed (8000) but rather 7000 or 5500 under load.
Never a good idea to compare GPUs based on fake res (supersampling/ upscaling) and fake frame (FG) - Both GPUs should have been tested at 1080p native res (no upscaling no DLSS or FSR) With No Ray Tracing (Case 1) With Max Ray Tracing (Case 2) No Path Tracing No Frame Generation
thats a very bad reason , both chips have a limit of 90c , so even the 4060ti with its tiny 5c more temperature is 30c under its max limit..... if you have to choose go for 4060ti because it has 4gb more vram 9:05 example of what happens with the 8gb vram of the 3070
@@OneFreeMan17 then why would you buy a 3070 even? You can run it with a 5-6-7 year old GPU as well? If we go by that logic, your purchase would still make no sense :D 4060 Ti is a better choice since it is both cheaper when buying new, and is using newer technology, so in the long run it will fare better than a 3070.
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The rtx 40 series is all about dlss 3 and frame generation without that it brings little to no improvement especially in budget and upper mid tier.
4070 is a decent uplift. Only 4070 or 4090 is worth buying for 40 series.
@@portman8909 true that!
@@portman8909 4070ti is too expensive for 12gb card, 4080 is too expensive for a 80 tier card and 4090 is the fastest card alive but again the price is just too much. So only the 4070 is kinda make sense, anything beyond that (or below that - looking at 4060 and 4060ti both is ass) is a ripoff.
That's not entirely true. The 4070 and above bring pretty big increase in performance, especially in the case of 4080 and 4090. However the 4080 has a much higher MSRP than the 3080 did, so that leaves the 4090, 4070Ti and 4070 as the only ones worth upgrading to.
Rtx 40 series is also about power consumption. Did you check the difference in gpu power between rtx 3070 and rtx 4060Ti in these games?
I think ppl are missing the whole efficiency point of the generation. To be getting anywhere near the same amount of frames, whether less or not, is very impressive with the massive difference in power draw.
Like the 3070 was putting out near 100 more watts. Nothing to snuff at on the 4060 Ti at all.
Sure we’d like it to have more, but with the efficiency it’d be taking down the 3080 and they don’t want that lol.
They learned from the 1080 Ti 😂
Indeed
I'm looking at building a travel PC and this generation has been fantastic for efficiency sake. I generally prefer 1080p higher settings anyways so 4060 to 16 GB is probably perfect for me
people dont care about power efficiency because if you care about a few hundred dollars more to pay on your bill across 5 years of time, assuming you play games for hours everyday, you should probably not gaming and focus on your life instead.
@@megurinemiku8201 hmm, sounds good but a Western take; a lot of people don’t have “problems” and still care about those things.
You don’t tell a Tesla owner to take care of other life issues assuming they don’t have money, but they go and use a vehicle that they perceive as being a more efficient mode of transportation, right?
This stack of gpus across the board are more power efficient, not just consumer ones. So they baked that into the gaming gpus also.
Who wants to pay more if they don’t have to? They also thought mining would persist, which again would have been welcome.
Just say what you prefer and let people say what they care about.
@@megurinemiku8201 The fact gamer's nexus has a whole new efficiency test shows people care about the power draw. Personally I've always wanted a more quiet system. I'll tune my fan curves to get a PC not sounding like a jet engine
I don't think it makes sense to spend money on any of the RTX 4000 series other than 4070 and 4080.
It always has been that way, just go for a xx70 but this time the price gap between a 60 and 70 is too much
true
I between 4070 and 7800xt
@@a.s.l711gtx 1060 was the best xx60 option for its era.
4070 ti!!!really goat💪🏻
Новые драйвера хорошо доработали, 4060 Ti уже вполне норм.
3070 is still a great card
A "great card" that will age like milk because of its low VRAM...
@@GearheadK20C4 exactly, gpu industry went to shit only viable option is the 2000$ 4090...
@@GearheadK20C4 I have no worries until the next generation of consoles
@@GearheadK20C4a gpu is not only about vram, 4060ti and 3070 will be worthless at the same time
100 watts more power draw for the same performance ahahahahahahahahahahhAHAHAHAHA
if, 4060 ti had 256bit bus and full x16 lanes then definitely it would be the perfect gpu
There is, RTX 4080...
@@Floren_Andro that's way more powerful and costly
@@prabhakardhar1379Exactly, but that's precisely what you're asking for... and what Nvidia charges for.
Good answer for that noob 😂
@@Floren_Andro look at the specs of a770 16gb, it have literally best specs according to it's price. and it's raw power is sufficient enough. so it doesn't take huge $ to get one. we need similar gpu like that from both amd and nvidia...(6800 is good also but not Available in our region) so we don't have to spend huge $ for 16gb vram which will last longer since some titles consuming much more vram that expected
i would still take 4060ti for gaming, even 8GB version. there is no point to upgrade from 3070 obviously
There is a point if u find 3070 used
There is one point. Frame generation. With frame gen, the 4060 Ti stomps the 3070. It's also more power efficient than the 3070.
@@gamewizard1760frame generation only makes sense in sigle players titles, all fps or fast reflex games would see a huge input lag introduced by FG. Used 3070 for fps and 4060ti if you play single player games
@@jeanytpremiumyes and most of the PvP titles will cross 150 fps all the time anyway.
Is clear if you found a cheap second hand 3070 go for it is faster in raster. If you want a new card save money and go for 4070
Go for 4070
4070Ti you wanna say)
За цену 4070 - ti можно в принципе купить два 4060ti
9:05 why u should need more than 8 gb v-ram
yea nvidia knew this would happen and did it anyway.
I never played Resident Evil. The environment seems to be spooky and its riddles take some brain power to compute.
in some games if you want to use additional video and graphics settings like for example rendering distances and shading could affect the gpu usage. I've played Watch dogs legion on my rtx 3060 laptop and the fps was not what i expected at medium to high settings. I tried using high shadows and the vram usage was already at 10 gb which is insane.
only when you play above 1080p
and still the card or the games doesnt care haha still good
What about medium or low graphics?
i have 3070 ti + 12400f. I usually play at 1440p with dlss, should I switch to 40 series or wait 50-60? bcz, the recent game sucks a bit in terms of optimization, so I'm worried
better wait, since either way u will need to change your cpu too
As an avid pc gamer, every new gen card dropped in should change to a new card. Wait for Intel i15 & RTX 4070Ti Super would be good 👍
Yes, switch to 4000 series to use dlss 3 (frame generation) because the difference in performance is huge!
Its your cpu the problem , the 3070ti will be good for the next 3-4 years or even more and it’s a great gpu , upgrade the cpu
I hope this is your only problem, we have to work for 4 months to buy 3070Ti in Turkey….
well... 100w less and some VRAM overhead...
Also cheaper and similar performance.
You don't have to cry friend, the 4060 Ti has many advantages that your 3070 doesn't... Like DLSS 3.0 that looks much better than the native resolution and, obviously, looks better than DLSS 2.4... it also has the frame generator, making the 4060 Ti have between 33 to 50% more performance... It also performs much better in games with ray tracing and this is very notable in games like cyberpunk2077 and ray tracing overdrive (path tracing). While, with the 3070, you can barely get 40 fps with everything in ultra, 1080p, dlss quality and path tracing, on the 4060 Ti you can easily reach 60 with the same configuration but with much higher quality thanks to dlss 3.0
@@JorgeDimtonThere is no such thing as an upscaler looking better than native resolution in 2024, you are 10 years ahead of the future my guy.
Honestly, when i play with my legion 5 with a 4060 at 55°C and no fan noise... i think all the rest doesn't count
The power consumption on that 3070 is crazy oh my
4060ti for me bruh
arent they the same raster wise
maybe ti slightly ahead
@@iikatinggangsengii2471 bruh ho either none of these cards if I'm being honest
All that extra VRAM is useless if the card itself isn't fast enough to make use of it, the GPU would already long reach it's breaking point before VRAM actually starts to become a bigger problem
Cyberpunk in high settings on 3440x1440 eating up to 10 - 11GB VRAM!!
@@RafaelDoubleyou-mp6bz yeah but at what FPS my guy
@@wolfstorm5394 around 60FPS on average including FG
@@RafaelDoubleyou-mp6bz I don't see how you'd end up using 11GB of VRAM going from 2560 to 3440 on this GPU unless you're using settings that the GPU can't really push to begin with, but then again you mentioned you're using FG, guess that eats up some VRAM too
dont be fool by 3 or 5 more fps on 3070 architecture on this card belong to 4 years a go
my choice all the way is 4060 ti
don't mention better VRAM better power efficient
Gamers at the $500 GPU price point waited 2 years for a VRAM upgrade.
waiting RTX 6060 Ti
I'm waiting for the 6090 ti (nice)
@@s0nda I am waiting for RTX 9090 128 GB GDDR10X card
We'll all be dead by then lol... Just buy a card now
The 4060ti is crazy efficient. Same fps as the 3070 but at 80W less.
The 3070 is not bad at all...but it consumes too much energy, Nvidia failed at that ! the same with the other models 3080 - 3090
9:05 lol rtx 3070😵
v-ram
256 Bit they said...it'll be fine they said. FINE THEY SAID !!!
KO lol
@@mytestbrandkonto3040 fuck it's not about the bus, it's about the size of the VRAM
@@PulserTrance You sure are excited, too, that a 128-bit GPU will sooner or later outperform an RTX 4080, for a lower price and less energy consumption, right? The less 32-bit memory controllers they add to a GPU, the cheaper they can make it because of DIE size area needed on a wafer.
Has anyone seen an Englishman called Gavin??
Nope I haven't seen him
Only the one in Detroit: Become Human. He recently won a Game of the Year Award with Baldur's Gate 3.
The 150w 3070ti can pretty much match the 4060ti when tuned. So just power limit the desktop 3070 to around 175w and it'll use only a bit more power than the 4060ti.
If you're this crazy about efficiency, just buy the 4070 super or 4070 and power limit + UV them and UV your CPU and power limit it to really save power.
4060 Ti 16GB is great for those who are concern about the power usage, don't play everything maxed out and need more VRAM because hate stuttering.
16GB are expecially great for maxing out games, for those people who accept playing at 60fps or below like me. You have all the space in the world to push graphics further.
@@marrow94 Prolly just maxed out textures. It don't have enough power to push maxed out settings anyway.
3070 beats 2080ti. And even 4060ti can't beat 3070
Wow the 3070 still beats 4060ti regardless of the larger vram of 4060ti. The experts were liars they said 8gb vram is not playable in 2024.
The RTX 4060 Ti truly is a beast and is by far a much better option than the RTX 3070. Not because the RTX 3070 is bad, no, but because the RTX 4060 Ti has a ton of advantages that the 3070 doesn't have : 1.- DLSS 3.0. It is an objective fact that DLSS 2.4 looks incredible, yes, but DLSS 3.0 looks much, much better and not only that, but it looks better than even the native resolution (This is very noticeable in everyone, absolutely all games that have DLSS 3.0, such as Cyberpunk2077 or Daying Light 2). In addition, the RTX 4060 Ti has the frame generator, taking a clear advantage of between 33% to 50% more compared to the 3070. Not only that, but the 16GB of vram is quite an advantage in itself and, finally, energy consumption. The 3070 was, most of the time, over 200w while the 4060 Ti did not go over 140w and, like it or not, it is an advantage.
4060ti less power = less energy cost.
Comparison the GPU consumption 🤗
These tests are wrong because you didn't activate dlss 3 frame generation in the 4060 and that's precisely the strongest point it has, because it is exclusive of the 4000 series
I have a 4060 Ti 16gb card with 1080p and when I tested Cyberpunk with every setting maxed using DLSS Auto + RT + Frame Gen, I was getting like 70-80fps average with a max of high 90s. Disabling RT it jumped to like 140fps average with max of 200+. Frame Gen definitely helps and I can't wait to it more supported. Found a guy on Patreon who has a small handful of games he's modded to update DLSS or add in Frame Gen. Think he's also used the same trick to add in FSR 3 to games too.
@@xDevlinx21 exactly! Frame generation is the future, it's a feature that can't be ignored, as well as FSR3, but that one is from AMD and is open source
So why should he not include fsr 3 frame gen on 30 series then..
@@pravnav because it is exclusive to the 4000 series, that's why 4000 is way better than 3000
@@victor20987 lmao dumbass 40 series buyer doesn’t realise frame gen can run on 20 and 30 series too 🤡
0:39 GPU Power 😮
4060TI is +40% power efficient with -5% performance.
Leistung ähnlich ,Stromverbrauch viel geringer bei der 4060 muss man nicht lange überlegen .
Hier in Deutschland muss man besonders darauf achten -P
Когда 4060ti вышла, она была на уровне 3060ti, а щас иногда быстрее 3070... Ай да невидия...
брать 16 гиговую версию это трата денег, разницы с 8 гиговым нет, от слова вообще
@@strk_isa, разница есть и она может достигать в двое раз, так как 8 гб уже мало. Этот недотестер даже паст трейсинг не включал, там бы 3070 слегла
RDNA 2 and Ada Lovelace are very good the lower the screen resolution is. And a 4060 Ti is recommended for 1080p gaming. So clearly I would prefer the 4060 Ti. This is what you get when your last level cache (L3 for AMD and L2 for Nvidia Ada Lovelace, 32 MB in a 4060 Ti) is big. Its main purpose is to get better raytracing perfornance plus save energy for being able to access frequently used data more often without using the memory controllers.
Для всяких извращений с настройками только 4090 + DLSS @@rt_9117
th-cam.com/video/RNAQM3IeiEk/w-d-xo.html@@strk_isa
waiting RTX 7060 Ti
Waiting RTX 7050.
Its bad when the previous card from last gen is still better than the card that replaces it at its price point.
4060ti 16GB will be better in any case, we see in games where the emphasis on memory 3070 begins to sag. and there were no tests with PT, in which case the gap will increase even more
🤡🤡🤦♂️
@@ПавелВасильев-н1т, clown, go look at normal tests focusing on video memory
what if you buy an used 3070 ?🙂🤭
Yeah and what if a 4060 Ti is used in 1080p as Nvidia recommends? 😀
@@mytestbrandkonto3040, before writing such nonsense, first look at the fact that games in 1440p practically do not differ from 1080p in terms of video memory consumption. If you turn on the same PT, then 1080p will also have 12GB of memory used
Es increíble como la RTX 3070 supera a la RTX 4060 Ti a pesar de ser de una generación anterior.
Yes, it is better only in some games consuming 100 watts more..
Bro I have a RTX 4060Ti 16gb and with the dlss 3 i got 165 fps in 1080p in graphism full max. Stop say that the RTX 4060Ti is bad !
@@Youni-RL agree! 💯
@@WinterRT yes and it was on Forza 5 do underrated this graphic card
@@Youni-RLexactly! In these tests dlss 3 was disabled, what's the point then?
3:27 oh ffs not you again....
For some reason, the latest games like 40 series graphics cards...
4060ti включить генератор кадров и 3070 нервно курит в сторонке
На такой карте он бесполезен, сильный инпут лаг будет
Дегенерация кадров и на 1050ti есть с фср3
Ты играл с этим генератором? Это кал полнейший, играть невозможно из-за артефактов и инпутлага, 4080
@leland2848 артефактов я не видел, а инпутлаг есть, но не везде, зависит от количества фпс
У меня rtx 4080
@user-yn2jm9ic6x 1050 ti только в помойку сейчас, её ничего не спасёт
I would like to see testing of these two cards in games where the VRAM requirement exceeds 8gb with all settings maxed.
You never use max settings with 3070 in 1440p
@@niekasniekas2614 and 1080p?
@@levialfeu772 1080p probably all games can be maxed
@@niekasniekas2614 You're missing the point. The point is to see if the performance results flip in favor of the 4060 Ti when the game requires more than 8gb of VRAM.
Rtx 4060 ti even with 16 gigs of vram in games that use a lot of vram get humiliated
with fsr3 mod frame generation for 3000 and 2000 now i still 4060 ti only for 16g ram and less power. 8g version i prefer 3070
Yo me compré una 3070 de segunda mano a 250$, mejor alternativa, si fuera a comprar una GPU nueva me iría una Rx 7800.
OMG Be Careful the haters won't like this they think the 4060ti 16gb is like a 3060 12gb their little heads might explode watching this.. Quick take cover.
💥💥💥 💥
4060 ti performance is the same as 3060 ti with more money to spend
@@ikram2512 How the hell is it the 3060 ti performance when it's literally basically on par with the 3070 right on this video too? When was 3060 ti = 3070 in performance?
I'm feel bad now
rtx3070 8gb vs rtx4060ti 16gb
power use 230/240watt --- 130/140watt
fps farkı 2--3
hangisi daha iyi?
aynı fiyatsa tabii ki 4060ti daha iyidir. ama 3070 daha ucuzdur muhtemelen
@@StareXonur
8 gb bir 4060ti ile 3070 belki aynı fiyat olabilir ama 16 gb bir 4060ti ile aynı fiyat olmaz çünkü daha geçenlerden en ucuz 4060ti 16gb olanını 14 bine görmüştüm, 3070 ise gamaebooster marka bir kartı hepsiburada 9999 tl ile 10999 tl arasında değişen fiyatlar ile satmıştı...
There's a new DLSS 3 to FSR 3 mod that works on Cyberpunk and a bunch of other games. I'd like to see how DLSS 3 on the 4060 Ti compares to FSR 3 on the 3070
It's worse, i tried it with a friend who had the 4060ti, nothing to compare
To replace DLSS 3.5 with FSR 3 seems like a big downgrade to me. We're talking about removing a hardware based upscaler for a software based one. AMD does not have their s*** together this generation. They just keep hyping stuff up to mislead and greatly disappoint their consumers.
@@leonidastankiangaming fsr3 is killer tho, makes dlss look like a gimmick
@@fedro168 sir you are delusional. I compared both and DLSS is better looking and better performing.
@@fedro168 Friend, what are you talking about? The fsr looks like shit, it is much, much worse than the dlss in absolutely every way.
You must insert the RT tests in your gpu comparisons, we are in 2024, not in 2016. Avatar is the first game with RT always on
Yes, because it uses RT to actually accelerate performance, because the software is good. Hardware makes it faster, doesn't make it look better. This should be the future not lumen crap.
@@GeneralS1mba what are you talking about AMDick??
@@OmnianMIU ? Avatar is good game because it uses hardware acceleration to make software ray tracing run better. Check digital foundry video on this, Devs need to stop being lazy and using unreal engine and make a good engine like avatar's and use hardware acceleration to make it run faster.
@@OmnianMIU irony
Please include "War Thunder" in your next videos for testing games... Thanks!
In my mind I honestly tough rtx 4060 ti is around about 20% faster 😂😂😂 what a joke except for frame generation maybe
you should have tested at 1080p because 8 gb vram is only enough for 1080p
only enough for 1080p, but still pretty much beats 4060 ti 16GB @1440p.
People so blind that's amazing, card eating 100 wats less and they're like nooo 2 frames worst nyoooo
и смысл сравнивать без длсс3? в 2к длсс выглятит шикарно без какого там выдуманного нафонтазированого мыла которому есть место быть только в фулхд, 4060ти базово на уровне между 3060ти-3070 но бонусом так сказать там продают длсс3 на РТ ядрах которые собственно присутсвуют в этой карте и в 2к с длсс3 эта карта порвёт 3070 и по кадрам будет как 3080.
Если Бы Хуанг сделал для 3070 12Гб видеопамяти , он бы не смог ничего продать из мусорной 40хх серии. Он понимал это, поэтому мы получили 3070 с искусственно заниженной производительностью. Это очень гадкий и отвратительный поступок со стороны нвидиа. Крайне рекомендую вам начать покупать амд видеокарты, дабы проучить нвидиа за их жадность.
начинай первым,потом нас наберешь.дерзай!
I have 3070 + i5 12400F
Ram 32 playing @1440p.
Any recommendation to upgrade ? Or just wait next GEN of GPU
wait or go with maybe rx 7800xt
that's still good
i would wait for 6070 or atleast a 5070
@@adamkija6895too small of a upgrade
I have the same gpu but I wanna upgrade my cpu from 9700k to 13700k but I'll wait for 50 series
проблема 4000 линейки из-за малой 128 битной шины.
Unless you are getting 50 to 70 precent added performance for the same price of older generation card, you are being fooled, same performance for same price and calling it a new generation is just a total joke.
That you are ignorant is not Nvidia's fault. The RTX 4060 Ti has lots and lots of advantages over the 3070 and for exactly the same price: 1.- 16GB of vram. 2.- lower energy consumption, which translates into less heat and, therefore, less noise. 3.- dlss 3.0 (which looks better than dlss 2.4 and even looks better than the native resolution) and frame generator, getting between 33 and 50% more performance than the 3070 and 4.- the 4060 Ti performs much better in games with ray tracing, and this is notable, especially in games with path tracing like cyberpunk2077 or Alan Wake 2.
@@JorgeDimton Thank you for your comment, according to this video and other sources which are more credible according to my geeky nerdy millennial standards(gaming since childhood or since1997 tbp), the difference is most if not all cases is between 1 frame to 2 or three frame max in all or most of games, no thank you Ngreddia (I am a loyal Nvidia long-term fan who came with time to realize its not the Nvidia I fall in love decades ago when its started to shine and compete with ATI, not anymore, my loyalty to my own interests financial wise tell me this is the biggest red flag ever, if you screwed over your fan base and most loyal fans, tou are not worthy of my loyalty anymore to you than to my own self, I have a brain, I have the knowledge, I understand you GRam and reasoning before you even mentioned it, I know the spaces and potential, and performance level (price/performance) ... for me 12 GB on another argument standalone not related to my original comment is another weakness, now 16 is on verge of becoming a bottleneck (depends on your GPU's other specs, if high-mid to high to Ultra, which resolution you target (I like 4K at 60+ with no frsme generation or fake FPS fro neither of the 2-3 companies) sorry its just not enough, soon 16 will follow through, if you have the bank account to support your informed decision making process and the will, 20 to 24 is the new safe GRam spot, 16 barely for now not future proof (3 to 5 years +) and on 4K high settings with 60 fps+, if your GPU other specs support it, I know, I am a nerdy tech geek since childhood, I know what I am saying, first interesting GPU to some degree is 4080 Super, 4070 super if yu are on budget can make but will hold you back so soon you will not need many months/years to feel the regret (unless you don't have the capacity financially), now that RTX 5000 and RX 9000 is near its release date buying any now is a very big mistake unless you are a spoiled wealthy billionaire, then it will not be felt by you, even if you have to buy a new card soon after, at 3000+ USD if it get there someday and it will thanks to gamer-friendly practices and pricing by Ngredia, others will watch and learn, just like Apple spoiled Samsung who used to give you mirco SD memory, 3.5 audio jack, free chargers included in box (S series), free headphones, less greedy practices and lower prices, now thanks to Apple, even Samsung and some Chinese Mobile and tablet makers are asking for 1000 to 2000 USD price rang, oh I miss old days. its sucks to be a PC gamer, or tech lover these days..
@@ConradCarelandish First of all, NVIDIA is probably hurt by your comment... note the sarcasm. Secondly... "fake frames"? Prepare for the humiliation of your life (Exaggerating, obviously. But I'm going to humiliate you) The term "fake fps" is not correct to describe NVIDIA's frame generator. DLSS 3 uses advanced artificial intelligence techniques to improve image quality and increase gaming performance. Generate new fps intelligently, delivering real performance improvements. This is not "fake fps", but intelligent optimization supported by advanced technologies. The term "fake fps" does not apply to DLSS 3 as this NVIDIA technology uses a smart and advanced approach to improve image quality and gaming performance through its Optical Multi Frame Generation feature, DLSS 3 employs a Optical flow accelerator on GeForce RTX 40 series GPUs to analyze sequences of two game images, calculating motion vector data for objects and elements not modeled by traditional motion vectors. This process reduces visual anomalies by rendering elements such as particles, reflections, shadows, and lighting. Then, using a convolutional neural network, DLSS 3 automatically generates an additional fps for every 2 fps rendered in the game. Combining these generated fps with the graphics generated fps allows DLSS 3 to reconstruct seven-eighths of the displayed pixels with AI, resulting in a real performance increase, up to 4 times compared to rendering without DLSS. In short, DLSS 3 Frame Generator creates real fps, increasing performance, only these fps are not created by the graphics card, but by artificial intelligence. But I understand that you don't have the brains to understand something so simple, so I recommend that instead of writing and confirming that you are an idiot, simply don't write anything so that later a random person doesn't come and shut you up on TH-cam. And well, as if that were not enough... the mere fact that the RTX 4090, in its Founders Edition version, is $1,599 and not $3,000 already refutes much of your comment. And don't believe me... believe the official Nvidia website where they sell the 4090 Founders Edition for $1,599...
@@ConradCarelandish And if that were not enough, your comparison between Nvidia and Apple is misplaced. That's a fucking fallacy of false equivalence, that is, comparing two things that have no place to, supposedly, "give your argument." That wasn't an argument on your part... it was a fallacy, the fallacy of false equivalence.
What they have in common is greediness and user friendlessness, if you want uncompleted long answer below if you have the eyes and time (I am sleepy and tured to excuse any incoherence):
If you are unaware of what Nvidia, Apple abd others are learning as they do shady practices (taking things away (apple), over pricing to new heights not proportionate to inflation (Apple /Nvidia, others will follow the lead and learn for method 2 greedy companies), promote old things as innovation (Apple) promoting low upgrades to compare generationally or low price on performance compared to market and past (Apple, Nvidia, other will or have already followed through) low spaced garbage (again compared to own previous products or to compared to generational change/increase (Apple, Nvidia), you missed my points both companies are taking advantage of their loyal users and of ignorance of vast majority of users who only hear about excellent reputation and false advertising or YT paid sponsorships, etc. .. what they have in common is making real tech informed people pissed, greedy practices, despite having relatively great products (but not for the price) such as Apple, or best gaming performance in high/ultra tier (Nvidia that leads the high end GPU market for gamers not AI I mean) I used to like Samsung for being better but I almost don't do anymore after 14 years of loyality as they turn into a korean version of Apple, I used to be like the biggest Nvidia fan I had gamed on many of their cards since decades (pretty when they were underdogs compared to ATI, I see them now just as the Apple of PC gaming world, yes they have led the market, they still making GPU reach a level that 90% gamers can not afford, while AMD is weaker on high end they don't even compete with RT tech sure not, they also are raising prices, since they are still the underdog, despite them learning from evil Nvidia practices they still do not have the GPU flex power to make prices that higher, they will do if they get the chance thanks to you know who, can we just appreciate thier so called low end as well, like 6400, 6500 really? oh and Nvidia's 1030, 1630/1650, mobile 2050? really? I used to love them (Sami and Nvidia) but as long as they keep what they are doing I am team Chinese Androids (whatever price performance good is okay) and AMD... sorry for the long answer, greetings from Iraq.
I'd go with the 4060ti, DLSS 3 makes a lot of difference when the lack of raw power comes up.
There are two big problems I have with upscaling and frame gen. One is that they use these software technologies as the main selling point of their GPUs to try and justify cutting corners on the hardware. The second reason is that developers sometimes use them as a crutch to not optimise their games properly. Upscaling and frame gen are ok for older low end hardware to keep them relevant for slightly longer, but I have always preferred native raw rendering and have been more into the hardware specs of a GPU. When these technologies are used as the main selling point, that's when they become a scam. These companies really are killing the future of PC gaming. Especially with this fucking AI boom.
@@Gamer-q7v "Like not saying anything in many words." Friend, without wanting to insult you, your comment is complete stupidity and I am going to explain point by point why I made my comment.
1.- NVIDIA is not to blame for the optimization of games, and selling an advantage of the RTX 40 series is not proof of anything. Ghost of Tsushima came out on PC and its optimization is impeccable... only this game denies you and that is because hundreds of other games have been released that, even implementing DSS 3.0, are still incredibly well optimized.
2.- NVIDIA focused not only on improving power, but also on improving technologies and energy efficiency that make this generation a notable improvement compared to the previous series. Look how the RTX 4070, without using any dlss, is much better than the RTX 3080... when the 3080 consumes an average of 280w and the 4070 barely consumes 180... What's more, the RTX 4070 consumes less than even the RTX 3060 Ti... and the difference in power is notable. I repeat... the 4070 is better than the 3080, the 4070 Super or Ti are better than the 3090, not to mention the 4070 Ti super, 4080, 4080 Super and 4090... This, in itself, refutes your argument.
3.- The promotion they do to the 40 series, with the technologies, is not an excuse for your "power cut" lie, one: because I just denied it to you in my previous point and two: they are ADVANTAGES, bitch of an idiot Advantages that justify the purchase of the RTX 40, the reason why go from a 3080 to a 4080, for example. Look how the RTX 4070 Ti, having exactly the same power as the RTX 3090, has much better graphics than the 40 series and by far. And was there a power cut? No, but not at all, you fucking liar.
The 40 series is just bad. There are really only two cards worth buying, and they're not worth buying because they are insanely overpriced. Ngreedia, you make all that ai money and still won't give us gamers a break? Shame Jensen, shame..........
you know its bad when you have 8gb card doing better then a 16gb card like what the hell nvidia. just get the 6800xt at this point as it costs the same
But how about ray tracing.. 6800xt any good, or jump to 7800xt
and Nvidia is already planning to launch 50 series in 2024
2025
@@RockMAN_Daddy possibly either late 2024 or early 2025
Old is gold 🏅
One thing is 4060ti is just pcie*8, so if you have some pcie3.0 MB that want to upgrade GPU, 4060ti is so terrible.
Pocos frames, pareciera que está diseñada para 1080p la 4060ti. No le alcanza para desarrollar 1440p decentemente.
Are they testing this in 1440p?
yes
Dude I think my 3070 ventus 2x cooler is defective... 1440p fh5 maxed out pulling 190w (paired with 12700k) and it hits 73 Celsius with 3 intake fans on the bottom of the case... it's also got a sorta aggressive fan curve
whats wrong with 73c..
Yeah I had that card and I just returned it cuz of overheating (90°C sometimes) and bought a 4060 ti 16 gb and I honestly can't spot a performance difference, it's great, and I get all the new features like dlss 3, and I think that 73 °C is normal for the ventus 2x 3070, it just runs hot all the time
This makes me so grateful to have a 3060Ti. I don't need an upgrade. Most people still don't have RTX cards so if you do have one, you're doing great. The 4060Ti is a scam.
Man , 4060 ti cant 😂 even beat 3070 LOL. Unless using fake frames. I thought after getting 16gb vram I would feat 3070 ti but here we are. Pathetic Nvidia , charge so much money for this 16gb version & even then dissapointing.
The term "fake fps" is not correct to describe NVIDIA's frame generator. DLSS 3 uses advanced artificial intelligence techniques to improve image quality and increase gaming performance. Generate new fps intelligently, delivering real performance improvements. This is not "fake fps", but intelligent optimization supported by advanced technologies. The term "fake fps" does not apply to DLSS 3 as this NVIDIA technology uses a smart and advanced approach to improve image quality and gaming performance through its Optical Multi Frame Generation feature, DLSS 3 employs a Optical flow accelerator on GeForce RTX 40 series GPUs to analyze sequences of two game images, calculating motion vector data for objects and elements not modeled by traditional motion vectors. This process reduces visual anomalies by rendering elements such as particles, reflections, shadows, and lighting. Then, using a convolutional neural network, DLSS 3 automatically generates an additional fps for every 2 fps rendered in the game. Combining these generated fps with the graphics generated fps allows DLSS 3 to reconstruct seven-eighths of the displayed pixels with AI, resulting in a real performance increase, up to 4 times compared to rendering without DLSS. In short, DLSS 3 Frame Generator creates real fps, increasing performance, only these fps are not created by the graphics card, but by artificial intelligence. But I understand that you don't have the brains to understand something so simple, so I recommend that instead of writing and confirming that you are an idiot, simply don't write anything so that a random person doesn't come and shut your mouth later.
"pathetic nvidia", in the end I showed that you and only you are the pathetic one
@@JorgeDimton @JorgeDimton ohh my god. Nvidia's paying u kid ? U work there ? No !! Why r u licking their balls. The A.I is doing its job kiddo , those generated frames are not real. Tell me when use in online games there is thing called 'latency'. Soory too much for 'trying to be smart' guy
Maybe u kind of guy , who just want to bitch plp who own 30 , 20 series cards. The whole essay u copied from some website any kid can do that. See , there is a difference being 'smart' & 'acting smart'
I think it’s better to buy a used 3070 for half the price than this new crap from Nvidia
Cries the one with 1060
the difference with the 8 gig rtx 4060 ti is that there is no difference at all
Well, you should try with VRAM heavy games or play at 4K and see the difference. Or watch the RE4 section in this video...
Moment of truth, gamers...what are you gonna do?
1080p or lower resoultion is better suited for a 4060 Ti.
4060 ti got L danced on
Even with 16gb the 3070 still smacks the 4060 ti in the face, the 3070 isn’t aging as bad as we thought
Rtx 3070 runs little cooler
Maybe because it's triple fan 3070 being used
Is RTX 3070 more powerful than GSX-R 600?
Oh boy, the legendary Gixxer. Well, Nvidia CEO Jensen said the 4060 Ti is faster than a PlayStation 5. So, how does the PlayStation 5 stack up compared to a Suzuki SuperSport Motorbike? Just asking questions. 😅
@@mytestbrandkonto3040 Hahahah, dunno, will find the way to compare them :D
The 4060/Ti is looking worse by the day.
The only 40-series cards worth considering are the 4070 and 4090. I hope the Super refresh helps. The 4070ti Super looks somewhat appealing.
wrong
@@iequalsnoob
No he is right
@@SG-cn3kb lmao you both have no idea what tf you are talking about and it shows
Guys if you want to upgrade ngreedia cards
do it ONLY afrer "2 series" line
For example if you have a 100 series fo to 300
If you had a 900 series go to 200 series
One only series "line" is pure haux ;)
3070 Wins
2080ti Is better for 300 dollars
This or a 4060 depending on how badly someone needs better power efficiency.
The memory modules tend to die on the 2080Ti.
Yeah, when the RTX 2080 Ti got released, Tech YES City recommended lowering the memory speed which cost hardly any performance. Plus RMA the card as an option. My RTX 4060 barely uses it full memory speed (8000) but rather 7000 or 5500 under load.
wow, this is disappointing...
Por consumo energético gana la Rtx 4060 ti.
hh the 3070 if had 12gb vram believe me it gona beat 4070 ass
Why FG is OFF? it's poinless
because we are testing the real raw performance of the cards here
Yes, the testing method is both valid and biased. I prefer a 4060 Ti over a 3070.
It's same as you test BMW M5 and don't push to the limit wihout activate M Power, it's no sens))))))))))@@herewego9885
3070 is a goat💣💣🔥
its actually 3070 vs 4050ti 16gb
Never a good idea to compare GPUs based on fake res (supersampling/ upscaling) and fake frame (FG)
- Both GPUs should have been tested at 1080p native res (no upscaling no DLSS or FSR)
With No Ray Tracing (Case 1)
With Max Ray Tracing (Case 2)
No Path Tracing
No Frame Generation
4060 serise sucks
Please use DLSS RT and FG next time in Both
40 series sucks ass
感謝nvidia的負優化
I denicle
should have added 2080S in this comparison as well
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4060 and 4060 ti = trash. 4070 is where price to performance becomes decent. Basically a 3080 but with frame gen, better RT cores, and more VRAM.
What you rocking?
@@racoonchief 7800x3D and RTX 4070
@@portman8909 4070 is 80% better for 80% more money than a 4060 at 1080p, not really better value atm.
@@racoonchief It’s more like 48% more money and also I have no interest in 1080p. 1440p is the way now.
@@portman8909 what are you smoking? 48% more for 4070 😂😂
Both nice 1080 Cards why he running them at 1440p? 36fps? Best to play at 1080P at higher fps.
I’d probably go with the 3070 for the better temperatures 🤷♂️
the 4060ti is the better choice because of the 16gb VRAM and frame generation
Thats his set up. I have the Asus ROG Strix 4060 Ti 16 gb and mine never gets above 48 degrees and its over clocked.
thats a very bad reason , both chips have a limit of 90c , so even the 4060ti with its tiny 5c more temperature is 30c under its max limit.....
if you have to choose go for 4060ti because it has 4gb more vram 9:05 example of what happens with the 8gb vram of the 3070
lol I don’t care about frame generation.
Plus all I play is Skyrim anyway xDD
@@OneFreeMan17 then why would you buy a 3070 even? You can run it with a 5-6-7 year old GPU as well? If we go by that logic, your purchase would still make no sense :D 4060 Ti is a better choice since it is both cheaper when buying new, and is using newer technology, so in the long run it will fare better than a 3070.